mike_c: maybe i won't get the worst price of everyone for the conference.
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BingoBoingo: So... Anyone here know chinese? Good enought to translate a Hand complete police report?
☟︎ mike_c: pretty easy to get it translated. i'll take care of it if you'd like.
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decimation: asciilifeform: it amuses me that there are fans of ada in ru
decimation: I guess it flows with your 'foreign warez' theory
decimation: yeah, ru has an outsized (normalized by bezzle gdp) aerospace industry
decimation: note that it is placed in the first class cabin
decimation: there's some conspiracy theorists who believe that the missing malaysian 777 might have been a heist pulled off by guys who busted into the engineering bay and messed with the electronics
decimation: skip to 5:00 to see the portable terminal that can be connected to the equipment for in-flight troubleshooting
decimation: in theory, if you knew what you were doing, you could break into that bay and 'pilot' the plane from there
decimation: the cockpit is mostly 'remote front panels' in modern planes to my knowledge
decimation: plus there are various databuses the connect the plane. supposedly on new planes they are moving to a special form of ethernet, strangely enough
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cazalla: just because you missed some earlier, doesn't mean you can repeat newer ones to make up for it scoopbot
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gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <PeterL> !up hktud0
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mod6: how do you view the deeds?
trinque: mod6: they go out once an hour to deedbot.org
trinque: mod6: for now you'll need to stick things on dpaste to get deedbot to eat them
trinque: I'm going to fix that in a bit
trinque: mod6: you'll also need to add your key with add-key the same way
mod6: the entire pub-key or just a fingerprint?
trinque: though I can take eating key fingerprints as a feature request
mod6: i think the whole thing is fine
deedbot-: imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF
trinque: mod6: same deal there, add .txt
trinque: I also have a mental ticket for that
deedbot-: imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF
trinque: interesting, let me see if I can verify that signature myself
mod6: that i just imported to deedbot
trinque: indeed, something else is wrong
trinque: I'll fix it and then publish that for you
mod6: np. but you were able to verify the sig of the Monthy Address yourself right? I checked it and it verified for me just fine...
trinque: mod6: correct, it verified for me by hand
mod6: cool. thanks for your work on deedbot :]
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trinque: mod6: lol I filled the disk doing an emerge -uDN @world
mircea_popescu: "Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. "
mircea_popescu: lol. then again, egypt was a military dictatorship under the mubarak dude, who wrested egypt in a coup from the... previous military dictator.
decimation: what about $bil's of bezzle? that helps too
decimation: Johannes Gross, one of the smartest German journalists, wrote: The longer the third reich is dead, the greater the resistance against hitler and his ilk becomes"
decimation: the point is that being anti-nazi is easy and super popular today
mircea_popescu: being anti-nazi was the thing in 1943. today... would you not fuck a nazi ?
mircea_popescu: you know, berlin women got raped by the soviets mostly.
mircea_popescu: and that's quite similar : the soviets were impopular in 1990, more so than in 2010.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's at least rethorically seductive, this theory. "the us is basically emo, it wants to fail."
decimation: yeah but I don't think it 'wants to fail' because of a secret cabal of financiers
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thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu there is not going to be a test server for experimental anymore?
decimation: I think it wants to fail because it cannot imagine otherwise
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what about the future assets pipeline? that going to be rolled straight into beta server?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'eulora accounts' << "isambard vulpes" sil vous plait
decimation: ben_vulpes: if you ever end up in london you can visit Herr Brunel's tunnel
mod6: trinque: heheh. np.
mircea_popescu: "Now, supposing a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites" such nonsense. what appetites ?
ben_vulpes: decimation: next time i'm in london i expect to see all sorts of historical engineering bits
mircea_popescu: "Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better for maintaining order by forcing through various emergency security measures than success." << this is known as the "north korea" versio of us future. because obviously best kim is in a state of imagined war with an imagined world.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: now for to find some time to 'play' 'games'
mircea_popescu: Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” << i said this a number of times, but it bears repeating : if this happens every usg employee, past or present, hangs by his guts.
mircea_popescu: that is a literal rather than metaphorical description.
decimation: you know after the national convention took over and started calling for massive troop levies, the Vendée rose up with pitchforks and starting executing anyone who appeared to be a revolutionary
thestringpuller: " strategically speaking I intend to create a digital services marketplace, and would very much like to use the large and varied needs of Eulora acquisition to seed that platform"
decimation: this happened mere months after the revolution was proclaimed to be 'of the people', 'for human rights', 'freedom', etc
mircea_popescu: unless turbosquid guy shows up in wot turbosquid dun exist.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well that doesn't sound like any fun now
decimation: so my question is: why doesn't this happen in the us - all sorts of crazy 'reforms' are pushed down by the center
ben_vulpes: "don't put yr pennies down, kid. you'll just lose 'em".
mircea_popescu: decimation probably because no instructive website yet ?
decimation: and another question: is it possible for a universal suffrage democracy to tolerate actual dissent?
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this raises and interesting question, hypothetically TurboSquid is WoT endorsed company. Would the artists be required to be WoT endorsed too?
mircea_popescu: well just like infarction without further specification is cardiac infarction...
ben_vulpes: i think augur designs exist approximating this.
ben_vulpes: but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls.
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mircea_popescu: basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside
mircea_popescu: was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras.
mircea_popescu: its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction.
mod6: trinque: awesome thanks!
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory
assbot: Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP )
Vexual: why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere?
cazalla: Vexual, we don't have em here do we?
Vexual: nope, we can't even make a canoe
Vexual: we do, but they are very noisy
cazalla: collins class? they are diesel
assbot: FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKObBK )
ben_vulpes: Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe!
Vexual checks an app cannon on the horizon
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on.
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard
Vexual: cazalla, shes evidently pretty
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her?
cazalla: my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
☟︎ ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short.
ben_vulpes: i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless
ben_vulpes: wait hang on there was context for this conversation
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc
ben_vulpes: cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are
ben_vulpes: i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short.
Vexual: strawberry dog poo petey
pete_dushenski: the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious
pete_dushenski: douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage
pete_dushenski: "We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow."
pete_dushenski: "I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past."
pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h
☟︎ pete_dushenski: Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo
pete_dushenski: While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. "
pete_dushenski: "When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. "
pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF )
ben_vulpes: so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans'
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pete_dushenski: "Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock!
pete_dushenski: "The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision” the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. "
cazalla: who eats the chargeback? apple?
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punkman: more likely whoever owns the apple store
pete_dushenski: "Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all” " << mhm. right.
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone."
fluffypony: 'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse'
mircea_popescu: * ebit (rose@111.36.195.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets << why nobody ups noobs nomore!
pete_dushenski: "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success
mircea_popescu: cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it.
pete_dushenski: 'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now'
chetty: can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know
pete_dushenski: ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls
assbot: How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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pete_dushenski: it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame
pete_dushenski: well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have
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ben_vulpes: i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)'
pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P
ben_vulpes: it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market'
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter
pete_dushenski: when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense.
ben_vulpes: replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money'
pete_dushenski: the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off
mircea_popescu: they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next.
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pete_dushenski: "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)'
mircea_popescu: for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets.
Vexual: the lass is verily full
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs
ben_vulpes: anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region.
Vexual: im on the same money as one year ago
cazalla: the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough'
ben_vulpes: and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing?
ben_vulpes: I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural
ben_vulpes: increases in revenue. On the other hand,
ben_vulpes: the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)”
ben_vulpes: just rings too true for comfort though.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff.
ben_vulpes: but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent.
ben_vulpes: so basically i can't really figure anything out.
jurov: "peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan
ben_vulpes: "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc.
ben_vulpes: "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true.
ben_vulpes: devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs.
Vexual: ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries?
mircea_popescu: it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even"
mircea_popescu: if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard.
ben_vulpes: for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81.
mircea_popescu: and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now.
mircea_popescu: and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ?
Vexual: everything mariio bros
ben_vulpes: so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co.
ben_vulpes: profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc.
mircea_popescu: equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness.
mircea_popescu: i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat.
cazalla: Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate
mircea_popescu: that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof.
Vexual: yeah busininess breed paranoia
mircea_popescu: this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful.
mircea_popescu: this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing".
Vexual: ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it
ben_vulpes: perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion.
ben_vulpes: i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr
ben_vulpes: instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.).
mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own.
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money.
mircea_popescu: that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for.
ben_vulpes: right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally.
ben_vulpes: yeah i have no idea how to account for that.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc"
mircea_popescu: hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace.
ben_vulpes: actually, i totally get it all of a sudden.
ben_vulpes: here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though:
ben_vulpes: i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it.
ben_vulpes: 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for.
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball.,
mircea_popescu: you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*.
ben_vulpes: everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts.
ben_vulpes: and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it.
ben_vulpes: it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over."
ben_vulpes: but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that.
ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now.
ben_vulpes: it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals?
mircea_popescu: dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade.
ben_vulpes: "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot."
ben_vulpes: i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade.
ben_vulpes: okay here's an argument for a protracted decline
ben_vulpes: migrations north are going to be slow.
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ben_vulpes: there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable.
mircea_popescu: a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified.
mircea_popescu: "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideas–bankrolling office-supply discount chains–is starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply “supermarket” chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times."
mircea_popescu: oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea.
ben_vulpes: im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00039403 = 20.6472 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people don’t even have interests."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68462 @ 0.00040191 = 27.5156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117100 @ 0.00039057 = 45.7357 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th
mircea_popescu: e money has to go somewhere, and it’s not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage."
mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48350 @ 0.00040357 = 19.5126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00040357 = 8.2328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00039041 = 30.2568 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget)
cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00038709 = 14.961 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00040357 = 8.3135 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74150 @ 0.00038709 = 28.7027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00040357 = 6.78 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31925 @ 0.00040357 = 12.884 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19142 @ 0.00038709 = 7.4097 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55249 @ 0.00037168 = 20.5349 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91457 @ 0.00036793 = 33.6498 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4093 @ 0.00036732 = 1.5034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30401 @ 0.00037107 = 11.2809 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36729 @ 0.00037229 = 13.6738 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62298 @ 0.00036694 = 22.8596 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125302 @ 0.00036425 = 45.6413 BTC [-]
mike_c: it's part of the conspiracy to make qntra the highest share price on mpex
mats: i love a good conspiracy
jurov: isn't d.cbse the highest share price?
mike_c: not that i am masterminding the conspiracy
jurov: that's suspiciously specific denial
jurov: spill the beans, nao!
mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
☟︎ jurov: lol you know what? let's put it to bitbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 / 0.00027068 (15682 shares, 4.24 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027329 / 0.000301 (17182 shares, 4.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00018731 / 0.00025621 / 0.000301 (67601 shares, 17.32 BTC)
jurov: when has qntra an anniversary?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00036425 / 0.0003936 / 0.00041784 (4236138 shares, 1,667.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00036425 / 0.00040146 / 0.00044462 (23643541 shares, 9,491.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00034173 / 0.00039827 / 0.00048515 (92329986 shares, 36,772.60 BTC)
mike_c: Yeah. listed Oct. 13, i think first post was like a week earlier
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danielpbarron: height=245727 vs height=197875 (usb3: height=234283)
jurov: ethereum server has become incredible hog...trying to run it on same hardware than some years ago, it's now impossible to sync
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00036975 = 20.3178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115900 @ 0.00036391 = 42.1772 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: 🚽 🚾 wtf there are two? i'd say one is supposed to have lid open and other one closed, but that's not what standard says
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's that database on top of the other database on top of yet another database
jurov: ikr, the database is supposed to index the blockchain so that getting transaction history for a wallet does not require to scan gigabytes of data
jurov: which is exactly what electrum server seems to be doing :/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38231 @ 0.00036205 = 13.8415 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31302 @ 0.00037229 = 11.6534 BTC [+]
jurov: guess i'll end up with that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00036 = 26.028 BTC [-] {6}
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.01424848 BTC. Current weight: 76,142.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309300 @ 0.00035795 = 110.7139 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00035657 = 21.2872 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70649 @ 0.00035645 = 25.1828 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110073 @ 0.00034587 = 38.0709 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: the freemen who take 100% plus organs are actually the lords.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22972 @ 0.00035056 = 8.0531 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00035158 = 10.1607 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00033798 = 23.2192 BTC [-]
jurov: strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy
chetty: <jurov> strip mining of human resources is usually not the best strategy// strip miners ..also know as gubermint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33020 @ 0.00036804 = 12.1527 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: guy's not heard of the waterfall?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.79, vol: 23618.06292953 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 271.051, vol: 17889.83524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 281.21, vol: 84767.53249337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 279.456804, vol: 143748.93120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 279.97259, vol: 61.28189605 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 277.17525, vol: 238.59295534 | Volume-weighted last average: 279.302752753
adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
☟︎ jurov: where? on buttstamp?
adlai: that number is estimated off a finex account
adlai: yes, naive market making underperforms holding during rallies like this
adlai: so i'm happy for bitcoin but pissed at myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9162 @ 0.00034034 = 3.1182 BTC [-]
ascii_field: and esp. mircea_popescu's article on 'plea bargains'
ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
☟︎ ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
☟︎ ascii_field: neither judge, nor prosecutor, nor any of the various 'preets' involved thought about anthills
adlai isn't sure how much ability somebody so high has to call the _men_ to arms
ascii_field: adlai: in a healthy civilization, they are the -only ones- who have it
adlai: if you look at the officers that defected from assad's army together with their troops, higher ranks are increasingly rare
ascii_field: only degenerate societies bureaucratize military command.
adlai: you mean section 10 of the factual basis?
adlai: it seems to be a stylistic choice, everything in the basis is past tense
ascii_field: lol, most of the lawbreaking seems to involve... the man keeping his own notebooks after retirement
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: My impression is that once one assents to the role of directing and agency, they are forced to become insulated from actual charge over their subordinates to prevent 'antihills'
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: well yes. hence neutered civilizations.
BingoBoingo: Cannot call men to arms until solidly 'Schweiched'
lobbes: edis changed its TOS to ban IRC bouncers and "BitCoin" activities; I am in the market for a new vps provider
lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
☟︎ danielpbarron: it's banned as both "peer-to-peer software," and as a "CPU intense application" (if mining)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00034782 = 10.6607 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: maybe i'm just not well informed, having never used such a service, but what is the point if these things are all forbidden? (irc, peer-to-peer, etc..)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Apps, Websites... Ruby on Rails
trinque: vhost- is a friend of mine who wrote the bot deedbot- is based upon
trinque: vhost-: deedbot- is only listening to add-key and add-deed
trinque: vhost-: if you do !register with a pubkey I'll rate you so you can self voice
vhost-: for help, services and help <servicename>
trinque: yar, I think it takes the fingerprint
vhost-: does it need to be on a keyserver?
vhost-: I don't think I've pushed mine up yet
vhost-: I pushed it up actually
trinque: vhost-: !register <key fingerprint> should do it, I think
NewLiberty: bitcointa.lk's security certificate expired 2 day(s) ago.
danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
☟︎ vhost-: !register DAAE E6B5 D729 10B7 4A6F 01F9 52A4 B5B2 F318 8BF2
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Even if it wasn't hard to count on SSL for actual security.
vhost-: !register DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DAAEE6B5D72910B74A6F01F952A4B5B2F3188BF2. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key F3188BF2 / "Kyle Terry <kyle@kyleterry.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00035896 = 20.8915 BTC [+] {2}
NewLiberty: Raises the barrier to entry for the session hijacking biz
trinque: !rate vhost- 3 wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.vhost-.3:94d09c5f0815956839f57a47e437f478d00cf6ee7021d47a8cff593f7137cf2a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for vhost- with note: wrote tenyks, on which deedbot is based
trinque: vhost-: you should be able to !up yourself from now on
NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
☟︎ trinque: danielpbarron: ah, I was wrong
trinque: so uh, how does a brother get in assbot's L1
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.vhost-.1:32d3011ff47604f12772bffec4fa4822d82f23c755258220a74b2e912b33103e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: +v easy come easy go
danielpbarron: trinque, it's a mystery by design for the purpose of preventing gaming of the system
vhost-: I have a lot to learn here
adlai: vhost-: small world
jurov: BingoBoingo: "extramartial" lover ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26938 @ 0.00034782 = 9.3696 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: vhost-: Why haven't you up'd yourself yet.
mike_c: this tenyks thingy.. this looks cool
mike_c: separation of the irc bot part and the service part. a good idea.
mike_c: it makes me a little nervous though that it is written by a self declared shitty go programmer though :)
adlai: are you also nervous reading socrates?
mike_c: i don't run socrates' software
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you left out key detail in petraeus article - the 'black books' were the man's own notebooks
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Updated looking into that aspect more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54162 @ 0.00034265 = 18.5586 BTC [-]
jurov: ascii_field: you seen a pamflet claiming ada was intended as elaborate hoax to set back russian progrmamers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91833 @ 0.00036476 = 33.497 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5167 @ 0.00036948 = 1.9091 BTC [+]
jurov: can't find it anymore, it was hilarious
vhost-: mike_c: thanks! I plan on swapping out redis pub/sub for zeromq so I can add authentication. basically you can run an IRC bot for a community, then your friends give you a public key that allows them to connect to the pub/sub.
vhost-: then you don't have to maintain your friend's services
mike_c: yeah, that could be useful around here
vhost-: they just run them on their own servers
ascii_field: jurov: i don't think i will ever -enjoy- ada. but the more one studies it, the less escapable is the conclusion that 1) it is a necessary thing 2) for which there is, at present, no credible alternative whatsoever
cazalla: yeah, thestringpuller uses “ instead of " and it botches the links BingoBoingo
danielpbarron: "mod6 was able to successfully modify asciilifeform's build script of the portatronic build used in the Pogo, to statically build .. " << was this the issue? because I used the portatronic build script and the resulting binary didn't work on debian for arm -- said it needed a different version of some thing i don't recall at the moment
ascii_field: danielpbarron: mod6 found that it wasn't 100% static (iirc used libc)
ascii_field: i overlooked this because assumed that static build worked given as test was on box known to lack openssl, boost, bdb as centrally installed libs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100050 @ 0.00037089 = 37.1075 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: is the netbsd thing going to be an automated installer that puts the base system on the attached drive?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: nothing but blockchain should ever live on attached drive
ascii_field: (note that 'pogo' won't ever boot from usb3)
danielpbarron: unless there is some driver problem i'm experiencing, you won't want to put the blockchain on usb3
danielpbarron: it's significantly slower than even a 5400 rpm sata drive
danielpbarron: and sure, it won't boot from usb3 but it will boot from sata
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: os and bitcoind should live in eeprom
ascii_field: (ideally, in one-time-burn antifuse rom, but we don't have it in this box)
mod6: thestringpuller: Maybe the Address wasn't clear enough, but the main goal for March is to publish the milestone release. We have some regression testing ahead of us though.
thestringpuller: mod6: yea the milestone release isn't mentioned in section 0x3
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thestringpuller: except at the end with the implied "Work is halting on this for now as the main focus will be the v0.5.3.1 milestone release. Stay tuned for more on this.
mod6: Eh, well, it's what was meant by the Regression Testing section :]
thestringpuller: ah a tad confusing. release milestone wasn't highlighted so I trimmed it out of the article :P
mod6: yeah, my bad. i'll be more clear next time
thestringpuller: I was just trying to highlight the big wins without pulling too much away from the address itself. Cause I'd rather people go the address for more information.
mod6: np. i just want people to get from your article that we're focused on publishing the release as soon as possible. hopefully this month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69500 @ 0.00037229 = 25.8742 BTC [+]
mod6: anyway, no worries. thanks for the write up.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell lobbes 1) Yes, provided we make sure we have the right keyfinderprint to attribute work to. 2) Hard to say unless you write it up and see what comes out of it.
ascii_field: is there -any- worthwhile piece of software entirely unafflicted by this retardation ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114805 @ 0.00037127 = 42.6237 BTC [-]
mod6: ld: cannot find -lgtkada_gl << you might be able to link this lib directly.
ascii_field: at any rate, i got past that by ./configure --with-GL=no
mod6: yeah, up above. i saw that. hmm.
ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it
☟︎ ascii_field: and everybody else just chumps along using the binary pkg
mod6: haha. "some assembly required"
ascii_field: i have no problem whatsoever with 'some assembly required'
mod6: it used to be that everyone built from the source. yah, now most people just rely on their package system
ascii_field: but the shitgnomes don't sleep, and they break off necessary parts
ascii_field: and using vintage netbsd or whatever mircea_popescu does, is not a magic pill against this
ascii_field: because the info re: what combination of p,q,r,s,t...that add up to a working z is lost to the sands of time
ascii_field: because 9 out of 10 times it only existed on the original author's machine
mod6: ya, i see what you mean
ascii_field: checking for xmlada... no configure: error: cannot find xmlada
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes.
ascii_field: if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before
mircea_popescu: the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things.
ascii_field: their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH.
mircea_popescu: they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ?
mircea_popescu: but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law.
ascii_field: doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting
ascii_field: folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly
ascii_field: (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago)
mircea_popescu: pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it
ascii_field: interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.)
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo".
mircea_popescu: and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else."
ascii_field: the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years.
ascii_field: and much higher than would've cost otherwise.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc.
mircea_popescu: if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real.
ascii_field: stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84300 @ 0.00035335 = 29.7874 BTC [-]
ascii_field: at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice
ascii_field: the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?'
mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off.
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mircea_popescu: so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?!
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation?
mircea_popescu: lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much.
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints
lobbes: mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere?
lobbes: I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps
lobbes: ultimately out of my control
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay.
mircea_popescu: lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./
mircea_popescu: if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.vhost-.1:f73baccc083341a1a24cc121f1ec7c3c2618b1e9b182f84511e1dc2924f9d213
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for vhost- with note: new blood
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40131 @ 0.00036706 = 14.7305 BTC [+]
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PeterL: seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell?
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cazalla: no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar