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asciilifeform: epic orlol: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/07/its-really-very-simple.html
pete_dushenski: lol. y'know, just in case any actual revolutionaries are reading orlov and needing fatherly advice from someone with no skin in the game.
mircea_popescu: somehow orlov doesn't feel compelled to go "check out schmuckin, going over to the euro tune of human rights"
asciilifeform: ^ orlov follows up on mircea_popescu's 'greeks must behead'
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: even the most cursory effort to consider the matter sunks people like orlov.
ben_vulpes: didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?
mircea_popescu: anyway, as usual for orlov : the intro is right : yes, the average expenditure average us citizen can expect to make reasonably is ~1 dollar a day. yes things are going the way of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-137.333-137.381
asciilifeform: there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169653 << orlov is obsessed with that fella ☝︎
ascii_field: in the words of orlov, 'try asking a different question, to which there may be an answer'
ascii_field: btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine
ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-magical-content-tree.html << where herr orlov contemplates cribbing mircea_popescu's 'pay per article' thing
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine ☝︎
asciilifeform: aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
asciilifeform: and an unusually entertaining orlol: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
asciilifeform: see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
mircea_popescu: we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess.
lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that orlov link...
asciilifeform: hilariously, orlov & mr mold agree on this precise program in this precise formulation.
asciilifeform: in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
BingoBoingo: Maybe email Orlov and see if you can borrow the Tu-95 in the embassy basement
ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html << obligatory orlov
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks
asciilifeform: but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme
ascii_field: trinque: see pertinent orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html
ascii_field: lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best
lobbes: ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html
ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html ☟︎
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform, what would you say is the difference between orlov as quoted and the fiction of the "imperialist burgeois" as classically described (1890s, even) ?
asciilifeform: from orlov's 'lessons' ( http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )
mircea_popescu: he has a boss in rh who has a boss who has an orlov who has an etc. six strings long, the flea circus.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068229 << see! it bothers you when usians do it. somehow, orlov-tolerant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece.
mircea_popescu: this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does.
mircea_popescu: re orlov.
asciilifeform: getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way
gabriel_laddel: I always wonder about the people who see this sort of thing everyday but never connect the dots, how do they internally deal with actual reality? I once flipped through the book Dangerous Thoughts by Yuri Orlov. He claimed that in the soviet collapse people would have multiple "selves". When they would break the law that would be their "off work" I, vs. the at work I who would report such a transgression to the poli
cazalla: i'm drinking some bundy, meant to drink last night but sidetracked with that orlov article and then zzz
asciilifeform: cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
adlai: found via reading orlov's Lessons >> http://dieoff.org/
asciilifeform: trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply
asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out
asciilifeform: described in, among other places, orlov's
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic
ben_vulpes: is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
asciilifeform: as in, who - other than orlov - is spilling the beans in engl. ?
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html << orlol
nubbins`: this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/masters-of-parallel-universes.html << orlol
asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
ascii_field: one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
asciilifeform: ^ this article exemplifies everything i personally most dislike about herr orlov.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
asciilifeform: come to think of it, orlov may have mentioned him once
asciilifeform: 'Here is a question for Minister Stoltenberg: Do appeals to (and enforcement of) tolerance make repeats of such incidents more frequent or less frequent, and, if so, why?' (old orlov article, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/07/politics-of-unconscious.html )
assbot: The Five Stages of Collapse: Survivors' Toolkit - Dmitry Orlov - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMOThs )
asciilifeform: https://books.google.com/books?id=Ut_0AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA44&ots=uzdXPijFi9&dq=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&f=false << herr orlov's recollections
adlai: ah, that's what the orlov post reminds me of! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Right_Back_(Black_Mirror)
adlai: ok, the orlov piece is good. i'll settle for equally obligatory.
TomServo: ha! did orlov crib 'infinite hit points?
BingoBoingo: See this Salon ignoring Orlov thing is like the rest of the "Bitcoin Press" lapping up Bitpay spending out the ass to sponsor a bowl game while ignoring... That there's actually a game that's now going to be played with teams and stuff.
mircea_popescu: that they don't even mention orlov in there is insulting to the russian foreign service lol.
BlueMeanie4: i like Orlov
adlai: "I would like to claim as my own… the theory of comparative superpower collapse" - dmitri orlov << I get that he's perceptive about the present, but has he not read any history from more than 100 years ago!?
asciilifeform: ^ these folks need to invoice moscow for their orlov cheques.
decimation: eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket
asciilifeform: like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov
asciilifeform: herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.'
asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html )
mircea_popescu: let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ?
mircea_popescu: your best bet is exactly what orlov is doing.
gernika: Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if orlov's a paid muppet, when do i get paid.
mircea_popescu: so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ?
mircea_popescu: in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, because orlovignorance is like the gift that keeps on giving : english is "not spelled like pronounced" for the exact any other natural language (including ones that believe quite delusionally that they are, like romanian) is not : this allows for a variety of disjunct speakers to at least use the same writing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it would appear orlov for instance doesn't know it.
asciilifeform: the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
asciilifeform: in fact, my main objection to orlov's gizmo is that it isn't huffman optimal.
asciilifeform: one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though.
asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out, the u.s. bezzle consists of an iron 'car, house, job' triangle.
mircea_popescu: anyway, orlov's putin reads like mp. which i guess is a good thing for all those involved.
mircea_popescu: what if they replaced orlov with yarvin
mircea_popescu: wait! is orlov alive ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: orlov piece being total idiocy << the most recent guest authored piece?