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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4331 @ 0.00064543 = 2.7954 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1393 @ 0.00081683 = 1.1378 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00064543 = 7.8742 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111278 << perhaps should be a separate article ?
assbot: [Artifexd] A better ircd [RFC] pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJK9GN )
mircea_popescu: it is incredible just how broken wordpress is.
BingoBoingo: http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/14/muslim-gangs-continue-to-terrorize-55-neighborhoods-police-powerless/
assbot: Muslim Gangs Terrorize 55 Neighborhoods, Police Powerless | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJLo90 )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol!
asciilifeform: when does the actual gov of se (northern caliphate) send replacement embassy to washington.
BingoBoingo: Question is will they ever care to.
asciilifeform: !s yi yi zhi yi
assbot: 13 results for 'yi yi zhi yi' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yi+yi+zhi+yi
asciilifeform: ^ alternate hypothesis
BingoBoingo: In that case embassy lives in the shadows
asciilifeform: very simple formula: the 'barbarians' are in fact employees of the swedish (french, british, american - each case) government, aka usg, in good standing.
asciilifeform: their purpose is to terrorize the native population, for a variety of useful purposes (bolster seekoority state; keep real estate prices in less-afflicted zones high; etc)
asciilifeform: in many cases these folks are literally 'employed' to create chaos - as in, they get a pension, in return for... doing just that
asciilifeform: but this is a subject covered in painstaking detail in many other places.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is not the best time to bring up the barbecuran.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: isn't it sort-of strange how this works ?
asciilifeform: only if mircea_popescu wants to test the turrets.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: they do need occasional testing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00064046 = 10.4395 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: more's the point : ever wonder how these dudes pick ?
asciilifeform: http://frallik.livejournal.com/904117.html << 'they faked'
assbot: Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJNOEp )
asciilifeform: that was fast.
mircea_popescu: i can see it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9805 @ 0.00065157 = 6.3886 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, which kind of evil sand niggers were these ? the irani like or the saudi like ?
asciilifeform: not, afaik, specified
mircea_popescu: only an important point when discussing which side to give arms to ?
asciilifeform: sunni is well-funded iirc.
mircea_popescu: they'reall well funded.
mircea_popescu: heck, they're better funded than wasps.
asciilifeform: shia could use a better operating system.
cazalla: damn, the shooters in France don't fucking hesitate, down under it took almost 24 hours for the shooter to fire off a round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSMJb0fcWt4
assbot: Charlie Hebdo magazine police officer shot in head - CLOSE UP! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJOU31 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065157 = 5.7338 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is just after president hollande suggests pulling out of ru sanctions thing
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so it is sunni then
asciilifeform: then or generic theatre.
mircea_popescu: kinda pleasant to watch europe from distance.
mircea_popescu: ovbiously, the result of this is not concentration camps for all muslims indiscriminately, because... well...
mircea_popescu: "can't generalize".
decimation: right, becuase all muslims are peaceful
mircea_popescu: Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Sunni Islam's leading centre of learning, called the attack "criminal" and said "Islam denounces any violence".
mircea_popescu: so it WAS sunni.
decimation: so it seems to me that this 'cell' topology is vulnerable in the sense that it is obvious who is relaying packets
decimation: third parties (required for routing packets) would know whose necks to squeeze
asciilifeform: decimation: you can't decrypt a single packet until a cell peers you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00064096 = 2.3395 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation the graph is very flat, with 100s of connections. you will have to squeeze a large fraction to disrupt anything.
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but the intervening routers know the ip addresses of the cells
asciilifeform: decimation: or did you simply mean the proverbial future of the gasenwagen, where the mere act of transmitting cryptostrange is a gassing offense
mircea_popescu: only of the closest
decimation: it's true that if the network can be scaled this is less of a concern
asciilifeform: decimation: of some cells. no info on who they belong to (what keys), who the peers are, etc
decimation: it would be beneficial if nodes could connect via multiple 'ports' (vpns, etc)
asciilifeform: decimation: if you use udp, like i proposed, you can even have the mindfuck of a 'bar-bell shaped' cell - a 'multihomed' machine receives on one ip and transmits on another
asciilifeform: the receiver is, to anyone lacking a peerage key, just a black hole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this works on tcp too
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. perhaps even hundreds of connections
mircea_popescu: decimation what difference does the port make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. does not work on tcp.
asciilifeform: because tcp establishes a connection
mircea_popescu: receiving on one ip and sending on another ? sure, why niot.
asciilifeform: that - yes
asciilifeform: but the receiver being indistinguishable from an empty wall plug - no.
decimation: mircea_popescu: receiving on one ip and rxing' on another is what I'm calling a 'port'
mircea_popescu: try the experiment, send handskakes to random hosts on port 1337
mircea_popescu: plenty answer.
mircea_popescu: what of it.
asciilifeform: call it a goldbox.
mircea_popescu: decimation ah i thought you meant specifically :x
asciilifeform: that's what the 'phreak' version (bridge of two telephone lines) was.
decimation: well, there's also the thought of puttint it all on tcp port 80 and putting fake http headers
mircea_popescu: Le troisième homme recherché, âgé de 18 ans, s'est rendu dans la nuit au commissariat de Charleville-Mézières, dans les Ardennes.
mircea_popescu: one surrendered.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20266 @ 0.00065389 = 13.2517 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation really, this entire anonimity thing is moot. what exactly is going to happen ?
mircea_popescu: people still run torrents to this day.
asciilifeform: that part is just a bonus.
decimation: might as well wear a mustache while wearing fake glasses
mircea_popescu: "Selon le procureur, deux policiers ont également étés tués par les assaillants. L'un, le brigadier Franck Brinsolaro, du Service de la protection (SDLP, ex-SPHP) était chargé de la sécurité de Charb, selon des sources syndicales policières. L'autre, Ahmed Merabet, a été tué à l'extérieur, alors que les assaillants prenaient la fuite."
mircea_popescu: check it out,they killed another muslim guy. is this allowed ?!
decimation: !up pete_dushenski
decimation: !up decimation
pete_dushenski: ty!
decimation: we are in jungle mode
pete_dushenski: hm so it seems
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that is/are correction, where was that from? i couldn't place it
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/02/thank-your-lucky-trolls/ ?
assbot: Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJSGti )
pete_dushenski: a merci!
pete_dushenski: corrigé!
pete_dushenski: some new material: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/07/some-people-can-retire-and-some-people-cant-a-story-about-carrots/
assbot: Some people can retire and some people can’t: A story about carrots. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5PUO )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/08/its-called-the-soviet-harvard-illusion-for-a-reason-and-that-reason-is-joshua-greene/
assbot: It’s called the Soviet-HARVARD illusion for a reason and that reason is Joshua Greene. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5UI9 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the russian guy's wrong in pretty much all the particulars. they ran into tons of police. http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/07/attaque-contre-charlie-hebdo-ce-que-l-on-sait_1175371
assbot: Il est 11h30, deux hommes tirent «en rafale» dans «Charlie Hebdo» - Libération ... ( http://bit.ly/1xH5Xnb )
asciilifeform was not there and did not count the police.
mircea_popescu: «face aux préjugés, l'importance de se réunir» commie president is at least retarded.
mircea_popescu: hey, prejudice exists specifically because you're "reunited".
asciilifeform: 'Here is a question for Minister Stoltenberg: Do appeals to (and enforcement of) tolerance make repeats of such incidents more frequent or less frequent, and, if so, why?' (old orlov article, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/07/politics-of-unconscious.html )
assbot: ClubOrlov: Politics of the Unconscious ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJU2nP )
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. do appeals to "ignore" the crying child rather than smack him over the head make crying children less common or more common ?
pete_dushenski: hey, prejudice exists specifically because you're "reunited". << heh. i made a similar point in the soviet-harvard article
pete_dushenski: basically, pluralistic/cosmopolitan cities are fashions, not some morally superior imperative
mircea_popescu: who's joshua greene \again ?
pete_dushenski: they can work, but not by default
mircea_popescu: that's a good point.
pete_dushenski: "Professor of Psychology and Director of the Moral Cognition Lab at Harvard University"
mircea_popescu: also, they can not work without well organised oppression.
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
asciilifeform: see turkish example for how.
pete_dushenski: sure, the point being that there are an infinite number of ways they cannot work, and a few that they can
mircea_popescu: sure.
pete_dushenski: but the solutions involve, yes, strong leadership
pete_dushenski: and also modification of the physical environment
mircea_popescu: i really like these "academics" whose contribution to the world consists on "this model is supported by the fact that brain area activation"
mircea_popescu: phrenology 2.0
pete_dushenski: not, as greene suggests, with typical progressive socialist lenses, "improving out thinking"
mircea_popescu: at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photographic cpus with tomograph units
mircea_popescu: photographing*
pete_dushenski: lol "the picture tells us..."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'brain activation' folks are simply a somewhat more 'photogenic' version of the rest of usg academia, where virtually every physical science 'result', almost without exception, concerns some spurious correlation of this and that
pete_dushenski: they're far better served "reading" mattise than body scans
asciilifeform: at least the computing turdmeisters don't (yet) prove systemd superiority by photograph << actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess.
mircea_popescu: i get really indignant when marketeers try to sell spuriousness,
mircea_popescu: but in fact all of academia does it, for much more money.
pete_dushenski: and for "les prix"
pete_dushenski: like kim jong un's generals
asciilifeform: i make regular trips to my university maths/physical sciences library. there is a substantial comp-sci/discretes section there. i pull out, seriously, a book, one in three, random page - a graph. for almost precisely this, the comparison between the warm and the soft.
mircea_popescu: nah, themarketing cocksuckers give themselves tons of trophies
mircea_popescu: it's like porn minus the lube, seriously.
asciilifeform: great heuristic for what not to bother flipping through, but very frustrating re: how much space these take up on the shelves.
pete_dushenski: sounds... burny
asciilifeform: ('graph' of the microshit office, 'comparison of efficiencies', vs graph theoretic kind)
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/paypal-australia-regulate-bitcoin-businesses-not-individuals/
mircea_popescu: this discussion is reminding mircea_popescu to go check on the "oh, we are economists, looking before we leap, there's a small minority disagreeing" crowd
mircea_popescu: lmao -dev is almost as retarded as the forum by now.
mircea_popescu: dgenr8how about using the world's biggest bloom filter to prevent address reuse? it wouldn't add much to storage requirements
mircea_popescu: blockbitsCan't wait until we have 20MB blocks. I've developed a easy to use web front-end for people to upload files to the blockchain, using scriptsigs to store data. they can retrieve files by simply pasting any TX. I've put aside a few hundreds thousand dollars to pay mining pools to mine my non-standard tx's for free. I was hoping we can increase the block size to 200MB... please make it as big as possible, my dat
mircea_popescu: a storage busin
mircea_popescu: etc,
pete_dushenski: lol!
pete_dushenski: maybe we should also make mining free, and use the scrypt fairness algorithm
pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/technology/intel-budgets-300-million-for-diversity.html?_r=2 << more lulz
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pete_dushenski: because that's what profit is for, reinvestment
pete_dushenski: ... in diversity
BingoBoingo: Seriously though what is this forced prevention of address reuse bullshit. Spz I recieve at address, spend from and input there, happen to recieve there again... Anything that prevents spending the later balances recieved is an attack.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, gavin hasn't been on #bitcoin-dev in the past two weeks, and was mentioned maybe a coupla times in the interval.
mircea_popescu: methinks the fake foundation derps are having a serious palatial moment these days.
BingoBoingo: bitcoin-dev exists better as a mailing list anyways.
pete_dushenski: palatial moment?
BingoBoingo: !up ziishu
mircea_popescu: curious what shall come out of this.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know from that movie plot Mp mposted to trilema
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you know when the retarded horse discovers that the pigs are actually having fun in the pig room ?
ziishu: greetings, any change of a bb wager for blockchain hardfork
ziishu: chance*
mircea_popescu: why not ? spec it.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i see i have some reading to catch up on :)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2014/the-idea-for-a-great-film/
assbot: The idea for a great film... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xHa9DA )
ziishu: lazy :) I was just thinking it would be a good idea
mircea_popescu: sure lol.
mircea_popescu reads bb's link to see what this is!
mircea_popescu: oh. that also works lol.
pete_dushenski: i actually read that one!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Emperor Eunuch and the Barbarians
pete_dushenski thinks mp and bb are thinking of different articles
mircea_popescu: but i was thinking more of the moment when the color revolutionaries discxover their leader is really a sort of adonis.
BingoBoingo: That one's just my default thought when MP says palace or palatial, because we all know MP prefers a bunch of apartments spread around town to a single palace. Decentralize all of the residence!!!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i was refering to animal farm.
mircea_popescu: you know when the "guard of the revolution" discovers that their supreme leader isn't really into the revolution at all ? that thing.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha yes
mircea_popescu: palatial moment. when the derps in -dev discover that well... gavin isn't really into bitcoin.
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BingoBoingo: !b 3
mircea_popescu: painful times.
pete_dushenski: i only saw the play. and while it was a splendid rendition, it was also some time ago. but i gets it nao!
pete_dushenski: anways, i must sadly depart. good evening to all!
mircea_popescu: if you've seen american century x, there's that moment when norton's character finds out the old dude was really in prison for fraud.
BingoBoingo: And yet... the noise does not abate, but grows, and as it grows there's silence growing in the great hall too, under the marble arches, over the limpid pools. The emperor bids his guests eat, but they swallow knots, he bids them merry, but the one courtly concubine that starts to talk, trying to tell a joke, runs hoarse. And then, a centurion busts in, a different sort of man. Rugged, bearded, covered in soot and dried blood, he
BingoBoingo: screams that the West gate fell, and this is the last hour.
mircea_popescu: ahh, gripping huh.
BingoBoingo: Basically the story of everyone finding about Roger Ver's firecrackers and Uncle Shrem's bong.
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno how many people were seriously taking ver for some sort of leader.
mircea_popescu: maybe, i guess.
BingoBoingo: I dun imagine too many people of the kind in a position to support a leader. Still hurts when Ver blows his credibility on Gox's final days giving the scammer crowd room to pretend ther are Bitcoin 'Murica old hands.
mircea_popescu: is a point.
BingoBoingo: I mean fucking Jared Kenna having a renaissance and Homero Garza stepping in fresh off of ripping some New England mountain towns for WiFi?
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: thanks
BingoBoingo: I mean even matonis seems kind of repentant about getting hooked into playing with Vessenes
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe
WolfGoethe: hello
BingoBoingo: Hello. Any thoughts on events that have transpired since your last visit?
WolfGoethe: events?
WolfGoethe: the dropping of the price?
PeterL: when was your last visit?
WolfGoethe: month or two ago
BingoBoingo: Well, that or ButtStamp. Or any number of things.
WolfGoethe: no idea about bitstamp or paycoin
WolfGoethe: i have been pondering the possiblity of banker meddling in the bitcoin price
BingoBoingo: Well, dollars are cheap
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: "Buy high, sell low" works for oil
WolfGoethe: clearly they are attacking gold and silver desperate to keep the dollar high, they attacked the russian economy by working with opec to lower oil prices
mircea_popescu: i always thought WolfGoethe = vexual
WolfGoethe: not too far out of scope to see them messing with bitcoin just to keep the lid on how worthless the dollar is
BingoBoingo: Why work with all of Opec when you can just deal with the House of Saud's gerontocracy and that rogue state of North Dakota?
PeterL: who is "them"?
WolfGoethe: also if Russia answered their attack with chinese help we could very easily have $1,000,000 bitcoin in a month
mircea_popescu: PeterL the lizard tribe doh.
mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe no because captain planet would intervene.
WolfGoethe: the house of Saud is a completely controlled puppet government yes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The reptilians. The DDoS people ruined the lizard word like all marketers do.
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Nah, it is just old.
mircea_popescu: i think the reptilians are just a ruse.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, they did wtc, but what've they done for us since ?
WolfGoethe: i do not want to get into the spiritual stuff, as that is way to deep for most folks
BingoBoingo: Patriot act?
WolfGoethe: clearly all this has spiritual roots, only an intergenrational intelligence and master arcitect could have perverted everything 180 degrees
mircea_popescu: the meta dougornay ?!
mircea_popescu: (it only rhymes with nowai because it's true)
WolfGoethe: i really think bitcoin could spike to a million bucks if Putin worked with China to answer the us economic attack. putin could just say he refuses to pay back their loans because of the sanctions and he could ask china to call in their us debt... the fed could just print cash to buy it up... but if china sold that debt to foreign governments... the fed could NOT print foreign currency.. so... overnight the dollar would collapse... not a shot
WolfGoethe: fired
WolfGoethe: Putin doesn;t wanna go there tho. he is sitting back
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Why would they fire though before USMS "auctions" the last silk road parcel.
mircea_popescu: it all depends on cuba
BingoBoingo: repost from earlier http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2014/12/19/06/56/1jjiYD.AuSt.98.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Au9iIL )
WolfGoethe: cuba sold putin out, the idiots... they will get a color revolution soon. the moment fidel dies
mircea_popescu: color red ?
WolfGoethe: the usa wants to hit russia and china first with a nuke attack before they get their mutual defense up
BingoBoingo: No entirely right. Obama surrendered to Raoul Castro.
WolfGoethe: obama surrendered???
BingoBoingo: To Cuba.
WolfGoethe: what? are you being sarcastic?
BingoBoingo: Why would USSA. USSA first strike would require just about all of the H-bombs that still work.
BingoBoingo: Not at all.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
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WolfGoethe: the usa mvoed in because cuba and russia were getting to close. putin foragev 32 billion bucks of cuba debt.. and wanted a prescense on the island
WolfGoethe: this was a geopolitical move to cut russia off
WolfGoethe: their goal is to cut off venezula and the bolivarian revolution and then encircle brazil
WolfGoethe: this is geopolitics 101 not complciated
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: No. It was to appeal to the democratic base lest 'Murica's other socialist party do it in 2017.
WolfGoethe: .... boingo.. r u serious?
WolfGoethe: lol.. ok brah.. yeah.. thats the ticket
WolfGoethe: i am a fool
WolfGoethe: thinking it had something to do with russia and full spectrum domiannce
WolfGoethe: it is just so obama can get some mo votes for his pal... hilary
WolfGoethe: lol
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Obama has sold a large part of America's electorate on Cuban style socialism and he want's to let them know he's stronger than the R-socialist party to making friends with cuba
mircea_popescu: anyway, this has been good enough for nao.
BingoBoingo: Well, it's the sort of diversion gossipd will render largely irrelevant.
BingoBoingo: The burden of impressing to get a connect to a gossipd node for the casual I imagine will be much higher than getting a !up nao.
mircea_popescu: prolly depends where
mircea_popescu: im sure there's going to be skankier nodes
mircea_popescu: actually thinking of it... cautions will probably be common.
mircea_popescu: "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back"
BingoBoingo: Prolly. It's just this increment voice evolution seems to be proceeding at a humanly sane pace.
mircea_popescu: mhm
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back" << The way I understand gossipd... fair collateral seems closer to 15-20 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00065884 = 8.7296 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: "pay me 1 btc, if youdon't say anything stupid for a whole month you get it back << perfectly happy to run a blockchain telegraph gateway.
mircea_popescu: well... there's going to be skankier nodes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11704 @ 0.00066806 = 7.819 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean ?
BingoBoingo: A current trust slut doesn't have the gossipd burden of getting its owner's actual orfices pounded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as described in my article by the same name
mircea_popescu wonders how the artifexd residence looks.
mircea_popescu: piles of scribbled notes and thrown matter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i got that part. but the relation ?
artifexd: nope
mircea_popescu: o hai
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
PeterL: ok, I think I got it working again: http://bablogs.btcscoop.com
assbot: #bitcoin-assets blog posts ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWqSO7 )
artifexd: My woman keeps the place in excellent order.
mircea_popescu: props to her
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah, simply suggesting that one could allow folks to speak on a cell by blocktelegraphing in
mircea_popescu: cool PeterL
PeterL: but it seems to be missing trilema posts.
mircea_popescu: sooo... tat gave up his blog too ?
PeterL: which is tat?
BingoBoingo: http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT'
assbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aubpfs )
asciilifeform: gave up << it seems to still be there ?
nubbins`: PeterL tat was the neobee guy.
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah nothing from trilema, how come ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform october ?
PeterL: I seem to be getting an error trying to process unicode characters in python
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine - june!
nubbins`: PeterL he ran a bunch of passthroughs and other sucker games on the various scamsites before retiring
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and there are many gaps at least that long
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: im more of a daily sort of guy
BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6zBy9lCYAIX9pP.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubGPL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00067067 = 8.4169 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: PeterL: unicode is kinda gay
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of which, whatever happed to the marvelous british invention of the 'pig burial' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very good question.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> sooo... apparently "text" mysql blobs are limited to 65535 characters ? << perhaps someday consider the use of the alien technology "postgresql"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes for wordpress ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I hear it can be forced.
mircea_popescu: all this stemmed from hanbot's comment on the gossipd article which was supposed to be like 120kb.
mircea_popescu: why not ? because i won't fucking rewrite wordpress wtf.
ben_vulpes: lord wordpress needs a rewriting to work with other databaxen?
mircea_popescu: i am sure.
asciilifeform: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/57793 << related
assbot: Swine: Secret Weapon Against Islamic Terror? - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWs9Vm )
artifexd: The simple solution would be to alter the table to change the column type from TEXT to LONGTEXT. That will give you 2**32 characters of space
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There are tales of WP working with Postgre and others in off the shelf configuration, much as there are sightings of a loch ness monster with feathers.
mircea_popescu: PeterL what unicode does trilema spit out that chokes your script ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd it got changed to something like that but a diff name
asciilifeform: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/32749#.VK37NHW9_fs << ru pigburial
assbot: Chechen Terrorists to be Buried in Pigskin - Latest News Briefs - Arutz Sheva ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsjMw )
ben_vulpes: wai
ben_vulpes: wai web so shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/britain-first-extremists-plot-pig-burial-halt-controversial-dudley-mega-mosque-1474294
assbot: Britain First Extremists Plot Pig Burial to Halt Controversial Dudley Mega Mosque ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsnMn )
PeterL: just a sec, let me find it again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: slightly different gambit there
mircea_popescu: "Britain First represents everything we disagree with and they represent the worst of all worlds, by putting on a patriotic face while promulgating division."
asciilifeform: https://github.com/luanjunyi/gossipd << lol
assbot: luanjunyi/gossipd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWsNlN )
mircea_popescu: gotta be unionized!
mircea_popescu: "Gossipd is an implementation of MQTT 3.1 broker written in Go. MQTT is an excellent protocal for mobile messaging."
mircea_popescu: sounds like it went faor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00067017 = 5.1268 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
decimation: asciilifeform: you might find this amusing http://www.myhdl.org/
assbot: MyHDL ... ( http://bit.ly/1wWw6tj )
undata: decimation: here have this https://node-os.com/
assbot: Node OS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AufJLV )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7080 @ 0.00021001 = 1.4869 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: WHY!!!!!
BingoBoingo: "Let's do Google's Android, but somehow make it suck MOARRRR!!!!!"
decimation: lol nodejs
undata: it's that imitative mind
decimation: node.js is run by that joyent mafia
undata: JS is widespread, therefore good. Operating Systems are hard and people who make them are well known. I should sculpt my one shitty skill into hardthing and be well known.
BingoBoingo: Knife is hard, but ribmeat is soft!!!
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2014#946746 < node.js, etc☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch
BingoBoingo: ^ 4d26f9ff93d05876c1cd67dfc27de7b925949274
undata: already handled in logs, but ye gods the bile it summons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30299 @ 0.00065177 = 19.748 BTC [-] {3}
undata goes back to poking his own web monstrosity with a stick
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/553040022631632896
assbot: Reply to /izakaminska Financial Times blog post on Bitstamp hack.http://t.co/CpzamTHqm1/hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/bitstamp?src=hash /hashtag/crypto?src=hash
BingoBoingo: undata: I count this past new years as successful as I fot to see my bile on January second. That means this is going to be a fun year.
undata: groundhog day at the vomitorium?
BingoBoingo: undata: Except actually ahs indicative power in my experience.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently something unfortunate happened to your neighbors during their game of "almost golf" https://twitter.com/IllinoisLoyalty/status/553040601542053889/photo/1
assbot: http://t.co/LmDnn6XL0j
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00064096 = 10.6361 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up cardigm
BingoBoingo: Hello cardigm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063672 = 11.1426 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i must confess that i do not know how, and with what, the game of 'almost golf' is played; or how it relates to what is happening in the photo.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So You take a bunch of people, 5 on the field of paly at a time. Goal is putting a bouncy ball through a hoop of fixed height.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: The major advantage in playing the game comes from a player being as close to the hoop's height as possible.
asciilifeform would prefer to see the aztec 'basketball'
mod6: yeah, with the hoop on the side.
mod6: and a ball of stone
mod6: murder-ball
asciilifeform: by some account, not stone
mod6: ah. maybe a stuffed goat bladder or something
asciilifeform: head of captain of former champion team.
BingoBoingo actuall prefers American football for the ways it stays truer to the spirit of indigenous sports.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00063289 = 19.2082 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: modern american football is a joke compared to what it used to be, its basically unwatchable these days.
BingoBoingo: mod6: NFL, totally unwatchable. College game. This bowl season a coach broke his nose. Running back shat his pants... and these were the more normal anomalies.
mod6: yeah, college is better. the plays they do are "creative" too.
mod6: hockey is about all i can really get into as far as pro sports.
mod6: lol, did you see Chris Christie during the Cowboys/Lions game? DEEERRRP
BingoBoingo: Hockey and Baseball are the pro sports I watch.
BingoBoingo: Nah
BingoBoingo: NFL. Did not watch.
mod6: omg. it was embarassing
mod6: but ya, the NFL is just brutal. its an abortion of what it used to be 25+ years ago
mod6: are you a blues fan?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nominally. I like hockey in the way that I'd rather see a good game than follow a team.
mod6: werd
mod6: blues have been a good team for last number of years.
BingoBoingo: Baseball, I get territorial.
mod6: cards fan 'eh :)
BingoBoingo: Blues have always hovered somewhere between making the playoffs and missing a championship.
BingoBoingo: Cards though... Imma give Matheney all of the explatives for only making the playoffs.
mod6: Remember when they had Brett Hull? They were pretty good back then too.
BingoBoingo: !matheney
BingoBoingo: mod6: They were
BingoBoingo: Had Gretsky too for a time
mod6: that's right!
BingoBoingo: mod6: Even mircea_popescu Hates matheney's coaching though http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
BingoBoingo: This was back when Carlos Martinez's twitter account consisted of a wall of vaginas he'd enjoyed
mod6: haha.
mod6: the Twins finally ditched Gardy.
mod6: a likeable guy, but just lost control of that team a few years back.
BingoBoingo: I saw. Chicago Cunts changed managers yet again too.
mod6: ya
BingoBoingo: Cubs hired the guy who used to coach in the #BitcoinBowl stadium
mod6: the Twins built that Target field for $1bn bezzle bucks. and if you step outside to smoke the fascist asswads wont let you re-enter.
BingoBoingo: They let you re-enter at Busch Stadium built with mostly private money...
BingoBoingo: Because the Los Angeles Rams fucked over the StL teams
mod6: They let you re-enter at Fenway too.
mod6: and they sell some killer brats. and old guys walk around and sell hot cups of "clamchowdah"
mod6: 'GET YA HOT CHOWDAH!'
BingoBoingo: When I go to the cards games most I eat there is a hot dog. Gotta make hose $6 beers work.
mod6: yeah, lol. they're like $8 or something at Target field. its bananas. mind as well get a mixed drink.
BingoBoingo: Oh, mixed drinks at Busch cost nothing less than rape.
mod6: haha. they grape you in the mouth 'eh
BingoBoingo: !s molina
assbot: 9 results for 'molina' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=molina
mod6: *bloop* irssi just told me that i've passed my #b-a byte allotment for the year.
mod6: :D
BingoBoingo: Happens
BingoBoingo: Even MP has an idea of Yadi http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540564 that is true sports celebrity http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540564 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 18:16:44; mircea_popescu: so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22386 @ 0.00064692 = 14.482 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: ah
mod6: yeah.
BingoBoingo: Like every winning team the Cardinals preach family values when called for yet shank people in the alley when necessary.
BingoBoingo: !up cardigm
mod6: heheh
mod6: i was following the twins closer until a certain $100M player came down with "bi-lateral leg weakness"
mod6: it's like $100M!?
BingoBoingo: One economic problem I will never get is dual sports players in college declaring for the NFL draft and skipping the MLB draft (looking at you rapin Jaimis)
BingoBoingo: For the average to exceptional player the NFL offers more moneyper year over less years, while MLB offers more total money over a longer period of time.
BingoBoingo: SOme serious cult mentality there.
mod6: ya.
mod6: sports would be better if these knuckleheads just had to play for their meal ticket
mod6: and "glory" or w/e
BingoBoingo: Or if they'd think economically. Bo Jackson could have had another decade of professional playing time... If he didn't let the NFL cripple his body.
mod6: Bo Jackson was awesome.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
mod6: I think i have a rookie card of his somehwere around here.
BingoBoingo is kind of aggrevied Mussina didn't make the HOF this year in spite of inventing much of contemporary successful pitching.
mod6: think they'll ever give in and let Rose into the HOF?
BingoBoingo: Eventually, probably on a reconcilliation ballot or some shit. I don't see a need for them to though. Their denial has only made his legend stronger.
mod6: How is it that MLB is regulated by Congress?
BingoBoingo: mod6: The same way congress overreaches by proposing ex-post facto laws contrary to the constitution like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-PATRIOT_Act
assbot: Ex-PATRIOT Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xTAQ6H )
BingoBoingo: Nominally they say anti-trust.
BingoBoingo: In reality they jsut contravene actual law for 10 minutes of voter attention.
mod6: haha. it's nuts.
mod6: what a waste of taxpayer money
BingoBoingo: Totally.
BingoBoingo: So the StL rams majority owner proposed a new stadium complex in LA.
mod6: so they're gonna be the LA Rams again?
BingoBoingo: A veto block of other team owners opposes the rams moving because it would prevent them from blackmailing their city governments with the threat of a move to LA
mod6: heheh
BingoBoingo: My money would be on London Rams and LA Raiders.
mod6: really?
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
BingoBoingo: But you prolly wouldn't like my odds
BingoBoingo: Because of the way the 4 outcome bet would lay out... unfriendly to any who touch it.
ben_vulpes: god finally logged up
mod6: more and more like airstrip one all the time
BingoBoingo: Indeed
mod6: Hi ben_vulpes!
BingoBoingo: The United States though probably leads the world in circus mobility
BingoBoingo wonders if circus obility command is an actual office somewhere
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice?
WolfGoethe: nope, coding a new btc escrow market
BingoBoingo: Sounds dangerous.
WolfGoethe: only one out now is localbitcoins, could use alot of improvement
BingoBoingo: As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak.
BingoBoingo: If actual and not alt gribble was around #bitcoin-otc would be prime for action
WolfGoethe: 5ls leak? what does that mean?
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Not 5ls, 5Is
ben_vulpes: hola mod6
ben_vulpes: dunno if anyone ever noticed this but the gpg.db file has a users table
ben_vulpes: as does the ratingsystem.db file
ben_vulpes had not planned on a normalization excursion tonight, rather, wanted the otc db shooped into mother postgres
mircea_popescu: <undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78595 @ 0.00063523 = 49.9259 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Logged on 06-12-2014 02:50:54; decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch << well he wasn't being paid, so technically they uh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao buterin is still clogging the pipes ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He is, and I intend to shit in his mouth every step of the way if I can keep my dietary fiber intake up.
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because for some reason he didn't die wit Bitcoin Ragazine
mircea_popescu: this is the blockchain technologies / ethereum guy isn't he ?
mircea_popescu: somehow i have trouble distinguishing all the biafra faces of these "entrepreneur" folk
BingoBoingo: I dunno they differ much. Vitalik though is the singular name ethereum invokes.
mircea_popescu: mod6: and "glory" or w/e << soviet sports kinda beat us sports on this model.
BingoBoingo: In hockey the Canadians and Somalians kinda beat them both.
mircea_popescu: well no more soviets anymoar.
undata: @mircea_popescu | <undata> it's that imitative mind << imitathive << the reddit hive seems to have caused a malfunction in something very normal and human
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.0006407 = 6.8875 BTC [+]
undata: where the thing that causes most people to follow someone and obey has wrapped around itself
undata: *caused
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What did Chicago become then when Obama surrendered to Raoul???
undata: reddit as a sort of shared mindless leader, or at least a point to swarm around
mircea_popescu: well yeah. i wish there was reddit spray for ants
mircea_popescu: get each ant think the other ant is the queen
mircea_popescu: watch some pretty sick fractal motion
undata: mircea_popescu: there is a phenomenon where the ants swarm in a vortex until they starve
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: bezmetic
BingoBoingo: undata: +/- voting is broken period. /. is the least broken implementation which is far from encouraging
undata: BingoBoingo: I mean that force in society by which a man knows which way to go.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> get each ant think the other ant is the queen << You can do this with some mamals
BingoBoingo: undata: Problem with Reddit is it is hard to realize that a man is a man.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's hard enough to recognize a man in the first place
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Then grow a better beard.
mircea_popescu: just in fucking time eh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Have you been watching the longs in the interim since MP stripped your voice? / WolfGoethe: nope, coding a new btc escrow market < goes straight to bash
BingoBoingo: Bin Laden would probably die if a single hair from my chin found his larynx. A lot of stored energy in those curls
undata: my hair is engaged in a slow migration from forehead to chin
BingoBoingo: undata: Do people actually do that?
undata: do what?
BingoBoingo: Less forhead, more chin.
undata: dunno if that's biologically a thing
undata: probably depends on the person
undata: anyhow re: beards there are plenty of those around PDX but far fewer men
BingoBoingo: Both areas filled in for me around 13 and I've been policing the land between evwer since
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16374 @ 0.00062969 = 10.3105 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: #NoUnibrow
ben_vulpes: poor undata's under a lot of stress
ben_vulpes: LEAVE UNDATA ALONE
ben_vulpes sobs
undata: haha
mircea_popescu pensively rubs his grey beard
undata: s'what I get for thinking business was what a man does in 'merica
mircea_popescu: I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO!
undata: I should've just gone to the valley to suck dick until I had enough to expatriate
undata: but you live and learn
mircea_popescu: or at least regurgitate
undata: haha
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've got a lot of red skin under my black beard after I prepped for fiat job interview Tuesday.
mircea_popescu: what job was it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ekectronic reserves. Interviewed Tuesday. Decision Friday. Won't interfere with Qntra, but fiat income can help save some BTC from hell.
mircea_popescu: gl.
BingoBoingo: I hope I get it. BTC has never been cheaper for adopted value.
BingoBoingo: Who needs sleep anyways.
mircea_popescu: hehe ya
undata: my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference
undata: "fucking django, god damn it" *rolls over*
mircea_popescu: tell her i said she should finger your butthole when you do that.
undata: hahaha, I will relay that message verbatim.
undata: absent presently
mircea_popescu: then undata brain will be like "fuck that irl django, the asleep django' smuch better. must sleep moar."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had no day job?
asciilifeform was certain he had spoken of one
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No day job since spring 2012.
asciilifeform: and what's an ekectronic (electronic?) reserve ?
asciilifeform: something akin to army reserve?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those things the tortises disallow you.
undata: BingoBoingo: sounds lovely; how did you spend your leisure?
BingoBoingo: undata: By eating too many BTC in spring 2013.
undata longs for the day he can just sit down with some parenthesis and build a web thing that makes sense
cazalla: ;;pretendlater tell PeterL published your article, ty
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the reference is lost on me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00062754 = 9.3817 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol cazalla
mod6: heheh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So the terrapins that run your library... deny you journals. In this job I would take PDFs and basically be in charge of posting them online for students.
asciilifeform: ahaha
asciilifeform had no idea anyone were still paid for this duty; thought it was carried out by slave labour
mircea_popescu: slave labour > paid labour.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by PeterL: http://qntra.net/2015/01/summary-of-mpex-stocks-and-funds-december-2014/
BingoBoingo: What are librarians but slaves who would have been lawyers.
asciilifeform jams elbow into apparatus from day job
mircea_popescu: btw, no qntra reporting on the blocks war thing ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: tsp working on block wars piece, /me working on Ver vs. 'Murican legal anomolie piece
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the someone that is writing that piece has a day job
BingoBoingo drinking tonight and writing so waiting on sobriety to pull the trigger so that it matters.
mircea_popescu: cazalla but... it's night now :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the qntra is a global conglomerate. Too early for him to have peanut butter jelly time.
mircea_popescu: hehe true ture.
cazalla: ya know, every time ya make these story suggestions, it feels like that scene in Casino
BingoBoingo: FU Hank, WHY can't you fix this Hank https://i0.wp.com/i.minus.com/iPydduaC5I5sr.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVO80K )
mircea_popescu: cazalla which one ?
cazalla: chairman of the fucking board philip green
mircea_popescu: now i gotta check casino
cazalla: yeah, i youtubed it but google gave me a scene from Casino Royale instead..
asciilifeform wonders if the folks who were to bring out therealbitcoin.org engine of war in the blockwar, are also mired in day jobs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes... ?
ben_vulpes: things proceed slowly, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: the satoshi codebase is so gorgeously well engineered that it kills gdb when approaching the wedge
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To my knowledge the irony of ironies is that ben_vulpes has a day job while I merely chse worms away from plants fruiting seasonal delights.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wai wat
cazalla: personally, my own feelings match gaggi's "why take a chance" scene
ben_vulpes: (gdb) Killed
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: that gaggi scene is pretty great.
mircea_popescu: "at least... that's how i feel about it."
asciilifeform: oom-killed ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's a good question
ben_vulpes: i just...
ben_vulpes: !s read cpp
assbot: 1 results for 'read cpp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=read+cpp
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdFuDtjVOQ
assbot: Duran Duran - Dance Into The Fire - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2J5U )
BingoBoingo: ^ At that deviation from filmed version I come cheaper and more authentic than actual Duran Duran
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: DANCE INTO THE FIRE
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: know if anyone ever tried getting the thing to build in, e.g., Cint ?
asciilifeform: https://root.cern.ch/drupal/content/cint
assbot: CINT | ROOT ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC2W9b )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7901 @ 0.00062869 = 4.9673 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: not to the best of my knowledge, no.
asciilifeform: (there are several similar products)
ben_vulpes: what'd be the gain, asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: debug the only gain
BingoBoingo: Linked example though is exactly why world needs competent drunks.
asciilifeform: what other gain possible from such a thing
asciilifeform: the sad thing is,
ben_vulpes: my imagination is impoverished, asciilifeform. i know not what i know not.
asciilifeform: i actually got as far as to marshal most of the thing into my head
asciilifeform: but have no time to do the logical step of actually telling ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu 'which screw to turn'
ben_vulpes: which screw to turn to do what
ben_vulpes: the magic line what rips out bdb?
mircea_popescu: ah, the drama of building a new world with hands and however you call that little thing they mix mortar in
ben_vulpes: prevents memory leaks?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: all of these things
ben_vulpes: magically condenses the codebase into something fathomable by mortals like i?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i believe: trowel
badon: thanks BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The hard problem I see if why you are right about UDP, mircea_popescu right about not signing everything, etc is that the new world is complicated. We aren't slaying mere aztecs anymoar
mircea_popescu: nah, round
ben_vulpes: cement mixer?!
BingoBoingo has round and square trowels in garage
asciilifeform: the funny thing is, that ben_vulpes almost certainly has considerably more truck with projects akin to the one in this thread, than i do
mircea_popescu: http://www.venusdsh.ro/assets/images/V1/13%20Zidarie/Cancioc/cancioc%20zidar.jpg << this item
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVPeJO )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But with custmers demanding lesser results
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i recall, he cranked out nozzle skirts for maneuvering jets, for someone or other
ben_vulpes: i'm having trouble imagining in which ways my mine work resembles spelunking through the satoshi codebase.
ben_vulpes: i've ne'er cranked out nozzles for anyone.
asciilifeform: damn, who was it then
asciilifeform dives into log
ben_vulpes: you exaggerate my accomplishments.
BingoBoingo: I mean it took a fuck ton of beating to get former classmates to recognize this https://twitter.com/aaronrogier/status/524368864692293634
assbot: We might use IRC in class next semester. That would be interesting.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my professional slave time's been strictly constrained to cross-domain systems engineering in high-voltage wafer testing, machine shop engineering, production line automation and retarded "web" "technologies".
asciilifeform: aha, process man
ben_vulpes: consider the rocketry a undergrad's self indulgence, not too different from your lisp machine obsessions.
mircea_popescu: a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges"
ben_vulpes: the f1's - similarly unressurectable.
ben_vulpes: the topologically similar jobs - as miserable as you'd no doubt find my current line of employ.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a mix not unlike "paralegal work, some pr, copywriting and sucking cock tied naked to bridges" << OMG It's QNtra!!!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for me, i mostly reverse-engineer things for money. but occasionally i build something to make other things more reverse-engineerable.
ben_vulpes: but go on asciilifeform, i wait nigh on tenterhooks to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase maintenance.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but i think i already described this onece
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i used to do something like actual work, long ago.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: once, twice...
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, process man << I'm just maintaining a list of Loper machine prospects with insufficient chance of death before your complete demo.
mircea_popescu: o data... de mai multe ori... caci ce pot fi aceste garduri, decit cazute foste scari, decit cazute, foste garduri.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo time for qntra to have pictures ? << It's had a couple... Why???
mircea_popescu: tied naked to bridges.
mircea_popescu: jeff bridges.
BingoBoingo: Rooster Cogburn himself?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> aha, process man << testing, actually.
mircea_popescu: lol gurning bridges.
ben_vulpes: automation thereof and design of subsystems for machines performing high voltage wafer binning.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because I may not like that it was a thing, but... True Grit was apparentlyt remade
ben_vulpes: a wealth of knowledge that would have doomed me to a life in the suburbs under buzzing "lights".
ben_vulpes: i...escaped.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes will probably find it an interesting detail, that when i shopped around for certain parts for my pcb assembly apparatus, quite a few vendors turned up who offer bits'n'pieces of what was once the u.s. semiconductor industry
asciilifeform: in particular, very depressingly fragmented wafer inspection paraphernalia
asciilifeform: arms, lifts, cameras, the like.
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: I mean John Wayne, original draft dodger
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mainly things you have spoken of at various time, re: navigating some unspecified but very gnarly system for angry client
asciilifeform: if i recall
ben_vulpes: and further - what precisely you think my part is.
ben_vulpes: because i honestly don't think that you see it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ... to hear about how my slave time should qualify me for the satoshi codebase << ben_vulpes had better be qualified... just as artifexd had better be qualified for his part. << I enjoy that unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it
BingoBoingo: unlike onions disqualifying contributions are illuminated. Because not over engineered.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i like to imagine that you'll get the thing into a shape where i can ask nubbins` to print it << This
BingoBoingo: One crack rock and a text file can test against an actual spec.
mircea_popescu: eh dun stress out.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why focus on me, though?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because you're awake, lol
ben_vulpes: and i respond.
asciilifeform: aha
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZWDPJ1.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 4
ben_vulpes: have i ever been aught but the court clown?
mircea_popescu: errything's getting done eventually. pretty much the only certainty of teh open model.
asciilifeform: some things even get done more than once!
asciilifeform: (deedbot ?)
mircea_popescu: that looks like it's getting done three times.
asciilifeform: quite possibly four.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.0006254 = 22.233 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Sometimes the simplest is the hardest.
BingoBoingo: Of all kakobrekla busted scams Garr should have busted first. But when fishing for gar you can catch more with cotton balls than hooks.
BingoBoingo: !up adlai
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.0006314 = 12.186 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13195 @ 0.00063623 = 8.3951 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00065703 = 14.8489 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: mircea_popescu: I HAVE A GREY BEARD YO! <<< i noticed this.. while using tweezer to pluck the 10 or so grey hairs i began sporting this year, i thought well at least not as grey as mp
cazalla: undata: my gf tells me I talk about code in my sleep, so what's the difference <<< while asleep, i would chuck my pillow into the baby's crib, grab the beside lamp and bring it in the bed, wake up screaming to call an ambulance, shit like that, she doesn't really miss my sleeping in otherside of the house
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8041 @ 0.00064347 = 5.1741 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won't support."
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo: Seriously what is wrong with data makes it into a block or data does not???
mircea_popescu: you don;t understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: "The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
BingoBoingo: Gavin only wants BTC to die so he can sleep quietly at night while animals enjoy Gavin's cardiac sashimi
mircea_popescu: and something tells me the new "optimized tx fee" code fingerprints the hell out of wallets/users.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's really bored feel free to look into the code.
BingoBoingo: Fucking Electrum fingerprints the hell out of users.
mircea_popescu: 171ca77 estimatefee / estimatepriority RPC methods
BingoBoingo: If some mother fucker can't make a change address indistinguishable from a destination address...
BingoBoingo: They better address that problem nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 221 @ 0.00491911 = 1.0871 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up Graet
BingoBoingo: !up tsoulus
BingoBoingo: Hello tsoulus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063364 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {2}
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mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << lol check it out, teh foundation's slowly trickling in donations.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS3mtL )
mircea_popescu: mazel tov.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo here's a simple fact : bitpay made what, 1% of less than 12mn in december ? that comes to... half what mpex made ?
mircea_popescu: and mpex didn't hjave to sponsor no ball game for it ?
mircea_popescu: add all the usg-side businesses together, see what you get. lotta hope, lotta hype, no receipts.
mircea_popescu: they can stand on their heads. money talks.
cazalla: i still wanna know how much fraud bitpay, coinbase etc are processing, they won't give me a clear cut response
mircea_popescu: how would they know ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well MPEx isn't paying $145/CPM
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/1G4QAVE
assbot: dpaste: 1G4QAVE ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS4KwB )
mircea_popescu: didn't coinbase recently change its tos to run up credit reports on users ?
cazalla: example of one fraud merchant who used bitpay to bilk people for at least a year lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, been there for a while apparently
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Old news. November, but they reserved the right earlier.
mircea_popescu: cazalla if you get enough of those together, that list + a "we don't wanna say" from bp/cb is good enough.
mircea_popescu: journalism is about collecting facts and giving the parties the *opportunity* to comment. they don't want to take it, silence belies guilt.
punkman: cazalla, how does bitpay merchant do fraud if only BTC incoming?
BingoBoingo: Well, yeah the idictments so far are a lot of qntra's meat.
BingoBoingo wants to see people
tsoulus: Hello BingoBoingo :)
BingoBoingo: 's odds on surrendering on blocksize by May
BingoBoingo: tsoulus: What brings you here?
tsoulus: Oh I'm just lurking about, had some interest in bitcoins for a while
cazalla: punkman, in the alpha technologies example, they are alleged to have used bitpay to cash out btc pre order money for their non-existent scrypt asics, all they needed to do was pay the rent on a shop front to get it going http://media.coindesk.com/2014/12/Dec-10-Alpha-Technology1700px-630x472.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoO8g7 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, they don't have the time. gavin has to force it through rapidly, before blocks actually start regularly overflowing 1mn, because that's his only chance to get pools surrepetitiously mining v3 blocks while gavincoins not being massively doublespent.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There was a 50kb block Tonight!!!
BingoBoingo: No rush.
mircea_popescu: he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
BingoBoingo: He has to take at least a year or the Chicoms will nevwer mine for his chain
mircea_popescu: ah, but it's not a matter of not being 50kb blocks.
mircea_popescu: there being any 7-800kb blocks is the problem
mircea_popescu: haha he doesn't have a year.
BingoBoingo: But he has to take a year, because I got Chicoms reading Stan!
mircea_popescu: and if he had a year, do you think he'd have spent xmas and new year's "filling his hdd with blocks" while i was on vacation ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
BingoBoingo: Why else was it Luke who visited and not him with results.
BingoBoingo: He filled his HDD with blocks in hopes that you'd stay gone
mircea_popescu: 338019 731.52 338018 731.55 338017 731.62 338016 731.5 << last 4
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear he has till march.
BingoBoingo: I don't think he can propose until March, then Fork block before may.
mircea_popescu: 1k txn is ~ 400kb. that means with a 800kb block that merely creating a 1k 1btc txn bundle will guarantee 50% separation on gavincoin chain.
BingoBoingo: Because... we know the people doing tx ping pong and filling up blocks
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, fork block has to go in before end of march is what my numbers show.
mircea_popescu: otherwise he literally will not be able to protect the scamchain.
mircea_popescu: it is marginally possible everyone in his handler's office is retarded enough to not have seen this coming, of course.
BingoBoingo: Which... he can't do because torsion.
mircea_popescu: but i somehow don't like to think we're being opposed by people this thick.
cazalla: srs why not just nip it in the bud, check out my gardening series on the topic of nipping weeds in the bud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjwwVsSEXUo
assbot: Underbelly Season 2 - Les Kane Murder - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HS7UAw )
mircea_popescu: cazalla if this ain't nipping in the bud what is ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00064464 = 13.2796 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i did leave them a splendid link to that great scene in miller's crossing, but i guess when you're an idiot it's easy to miss the more subtle messages.
mircea_popescu: this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If they could math gavin wouldn't have been derping recycled blocks in his hellchain
mircea_popescu: maybe not.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this in case anyone wonders why i "have to" call gavin an idiot. same reason you have to beat the donkey. only way it groks. << People don't deal with donkeys, they make Abbos sell them mules.
mircea_popescu: cazalla srsly, who the fuck fires that many bullets ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, for people who never discarged a weapon /
cazalla: well, we can't have them in australia, so you know..
mircea_popescu: that thing, WITH AN ATENUATOR EVEN!!! is probably jammed to shit by now
mircea_popescu: five times over.
cazalla: my knowledge of discharging weapons extends to nothing more than rise of the triad and counterstrike
mircea_popescu: fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala.
cazalla: i was promised heat seaking missles and by god i will have them
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> fucking derp from the lumber yard, you know, here's my machinegun drill. i drill all day with it. lalala. << I saw opposite discipline over Xmas. Cousin's family keeping the weapons safe within window line of sight
mircea_popescu: cazalla ok, well, here's some ideas : his ears would be bleeding ; his arms'd have fallen off as he holds that thing wrongly ; the heat transferred to the barrel is probably enough to melt it ; he's fired more bullet weight than the child.
cazalla: what did you expect? it's TV and booze, what else does a bogan from the bush have in australia?
mircea_popescu: minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud.
BingoBoingo: Worst part? his wife wanted to keep her pecan balls safe so unlocked the safe in a room full of everybody.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well maybe house was really small ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> minute an' a fucking half of full automatic fire, flames half meter high for crying out loud. << What reasonable magazine takes 1 minute+ to discharge at full auto?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was and furniture uncomfortably oversized. American maldesign at work
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this one : http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/029/367/shipment-of-fail.jpg?1318992465
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoPN5o )
BingoBoingo: But seriously. Safe visible from exterior windows on 2 sides. Opsec fail.
BingoBoingo: His wife unlocks safe in occupied room, keypad uses phone dialtones for number keys...
mircea_popescu: at least not keeping btc in there.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's all the excitement i can take for today. later fellow cultists!
BingoBoingo: Nah, just a bunch of ARs and some 1911's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00065038 = 18.5358 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00064828 = 27.1953 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: it might be thursday evening but still applies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5CHEmTT5s
assbot: Whiskey On A Sunday , The Dubliners - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1s82NbB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0006425 = 14.2314 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up mius
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00064885 = 15.3129 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: !up MetatronOne
BingoBoingo: !up adlai
BingoBoingo: !up davout
davout: ty
fluffypony: davout: how things going there? what's the atmosphere like?
davout: fluffypony: 21% O2, 79% N2
davout: roughly
fluffypony: hah
fluffypony: touché
davout: 1003 hPa
davout: the earlier convo about gossipd was pretty interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.0006649 = 15.8911 BTC [+] {3}
davout: also what's with the multiple implementations of the notary thing?
BingoBoingo: davout: Apparently punkman strayed when MP took Vacay
davout: i saw that when i tried to explore this deeds thing, but i also understood (from a log bit I can't seem to find) that the thing has been/is being re-implented two or three times
BingoBoingo: "Growing Pains" could be worse. at least it isn't "Harry and the Hendersons"
cazalla: where is that vexual jukebox when ya need it
BingoBoingo: Dealing with warts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27889 @ 0.00064843 = 18.0841 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00067205 = 3.6627 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popecu / hanbot https://twitter.com/Beautyon_ is prolly going to try to navigate Freenode and contact you while I sleep. If they disappoint... My bad.
assbot: Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BCTxOD )
BingoBoingo: !up davout
davout: BingoBoingo: ty! the beautyon guy has been around for a while iirc
cazalla: has he not been here before? notice he tweets a lot
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but not really on IRC much.
BingoBoingo: Still it's worth giving people with something to say directions to a place they can matter.
davout: isn't wotted
cazalla: well, he just retweeted this, might be useful one day l ol https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/553134314636853248
assbot: Best son? 7-year-old boy rides tricycle carrying his drunken father home in Yizhou city, Guangxi, Jan.6 (web) http://t.co/L5Xu2jJyiX
davout: cazalla: where do i purchase this child
cazalla: maybe beautyon will reveal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0006425 = 4.0478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065049 = 5.7243 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00065049 = 3.7728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00064356 = 23.683 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00063749 = 11.1561 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00063431 = 12.0519 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10570 @ 0.00063218 = 6.6821 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13034 @ 0.00063042 = 8.2169 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00064601 = 14.4706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00065402 = 19.3917 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00065734 = 14.0671 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: helen keller can see better than me right now lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1274 @ 0.00084137 = 1.0719 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00063042 = 17.3996 BTC [-]
cazalla: Gavin talks of times of peace for all, and then prepare for war (fork). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKnUfGvCJg
assbot: Midnight Oil - Blossom & Blood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYf26c )
nubbins`: maybe btc foundation should blow its budget on spinning up ec2 instances running patched 0.5.3 8)
cazalla: may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow
cazalla: even Shredder needed the foot
TomServo: awww, herbi stopped by
cazalla: my hand is always down my pants... guilt guilt guilt.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQMK5izEtHI
assbot: Magic Dirt - Plastic Loveless Letter (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYjYb6 )
cazalla: gimme that vexual jukebox lol
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kedWD4bWhwQ
assbot: Magic Dirt - Anita's Miracle Suntan Lotion (live in Townsville) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYkEgI )
cazalla: adalita is soooo dreamy lulz
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqKlwSyhPw
assbot: Magic Dirt - Dirty Jeans (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yNfDF )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHunC5AU-s
assbot: Magic Dirt - All My Crushes (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYlKZM )
cazalla: "When you're finished being self-obsessed..Then let me know..All my crushes are about you"
cazalla: Well I feel like an android after I cut off all of my hair
cazalla: When you're not there
cazalla: All my crushes are about you
cazalla: Watch me weightless
cazalla: I get nervous and have a cigarette
cazalla: Watch me weightless, I think for less so I can love you more , Suddenly every jumper I fold fills with your torso, And I hold it, And I hold it, And I hold it , And I hold it,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8162 @ 0.00063935 = 5.2184 BTC [+]
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbTii41pUI
assbot: Magic Dirt - Pristine Christine (Recovery) 1996 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yOFOd )
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS-59c1LAYE
assbot: Magic Dirt - Ice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYnUZq )
punkman: here you go cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsbrRAgv1b4
assbot: Sibelius Violin Concerto - Maxim Vengerov, Daniel Barenboim, Chicago S.O. (CSO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wYokz0 )
cazalla: not gonna neck myself to that
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E22gszljklc all one ever wanted was option to burn own house down without police turning up to arrest, maybe grow some veg/fruit before dying, can't even do that these days down under, clinging to RMS Bitcoin.. sometimes wonder if better to jump overboard into ice water and be done with it
assbot: And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda ~ John Williamson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14yQQBz )
cazalla: i am fucking over it
cazalla: i am very upset over this fork talk
cazalla: like a heaven's gate inductee
cazalla: these fucking mongrels
cazalla: my own grand parents came here wiht less 60 yuears ago
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cazalla: and their own grandchildren have fucking less
cazalla: it doesn't matter how hard one workss
cazalla: i want their fucking heads
mike_c: there's another 14 btc for bitbet investors. maybe this bet will spark a rally in the stock.
cazalla: you would never think in one's own life time that you would see everything you were told was australia, go down the fucking drain
cazalla: may as well have never fucking come here
jurov: mike_c dividend payments on mpex are unpredictable
mike_c: hehe. it works out for long term holders :) risky for short term players.
cazalla: it all shrinks, i grew up visiting my opa's backyard on the weekends, spending week days in my own parent's smaller backyard, what do i have for my own son? next to fucking nothing, no-one has kids, no-one has familiies, no-one can afford shit, land of opportunity my fucking ass
cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.0006576 = 8.704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32467 @ 0.00063752 = 20.6984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00062438 = 8.8974 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski pay your bill
thestringpuller: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << a phenomenon bitcoin will see as supply slowly decreases
thestringpuller: cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rnxw6/old_post_saying_the_bitstamp_hack_was_coming/ << i think i can confirm this
thestringpuller: !s random.org
assbot: 1 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12334 @ 0.00063704 = 7.8573 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is the process described on random.org viable?
nubbins`: how much was your grandfather's monthly cell phone and internet bill
nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00064356 = 3.1213 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: https://www.random.org/faq/#Q1.3 (and esp. no. 4) - decide for yourself
assbot: RANDOM.ORG - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvehIh )
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as if modern broke folks got this way through blowing fortune on phone & bandwidth
nubbins`: 8)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: or as if ancestors did not whine in pubs rather than irc
nubbins`: as if those from all times would not rather bellyache than do something to improve their situation
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what would you suggest he ought to be doing ?
asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.0006438 = 18.7346 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
assbot: Judge: Gov’t can show murder-for-hire evidence in Silk Road trial | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivgkfv )
nubbins`: i guess i should suggest he just keeps on sluggin'
nubbins`: cheer up, kiddo, things'll turn around
TomServo: some SR case updates, nudge nudge qntra
nubbins`: you screw enough toothpaste caps, boy, they're sure to notice
nubbins`: maybe one of these years, on one of your 10 vacation days, you can go to the lock store and buy the deluxe padlock for the cage you've been slowly building around yourself
nubbins`: surely your mind will be put at ease then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11603 @ 0.00064991 = 7.5409 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: !up davout
TomServo: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: why ty
TomServo tips hat.
mircea_popescu: o hey you got a hat ?! cool!
mircea_popescu: lol so apparently moar ddos attempts overnight.
mircea_popescu: did it actually do anything ?
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/bitcoin-investor-who-renounced-us-citizenship-now-cant-get-back-in << lol, i somehow missed that he was once famous for bootleg fireworks
assbot: Bitcoin investor who renounced US citizenship now can’t get back in | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivl4BW )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's been discussed even in log a few times.
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform is evidently not the proverbial alert reader
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy claims he was shremed and it's all okay.
mircea_popescu: obviously, he was being his usual retarded self, only younger.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00065122 = 17.7132 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the st kitts passport described in the article? 400k usd would get you a fairly comfortable 2 yrs in Ar or the like (or however long it takes there to get passported)
mircea_popescu: obviously, he was being his usual retarded self.
mircea_popescu: for the record, for the unassuming individual capable of normal socialisation (ie, score a gf if one wants a gf) about 1k usd a year is plenty in argentina.
mircea_popescu: would have been enough for the rest of his life.
asciilifeform: retarded, sure. just wondered if there was some actual plus to the st kitts thing. because i distinctly recall that 'passports of convenience' are mostly good as wall decorations and nothing more.
mircea_popescu: also, the passports in question don't ever cost that much. he's pulling a kakobrekla's car trick on the value of bitcoin that could have been. by the same measure, his donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the scam foundation.
mircea_popescu: except he did that at a time when they were worth cents to the dollar, and they're long gone.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's anything but comic relief in keeping track of ver's activities.
asciilifeform: 1k usd !?!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so apparently being caught selling too many BTC here in the states carries a higher sentence than dealing drugs
mircea_popescu: you know, the original somethingawful/buttcoin threads about how bitcoiners are mentally retarded didn't come out of pure malice. they came out of the simple fact of the matter : the early people involved are struggling with severe mental disabilities.
asciilifeform: what does that buy, a sack of rice and a monk's cell somewhere in a boiler room ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doing anything out of the ordinary carries a higher sentence than everything else in there, you've not noticed yet ?
thestringpuller: Perhaps the movie about asciilifeform and young buck thestringpuller teaming up to sell BTC as gangstas runnin the street will become a reality
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people aren't as fixated on things anglos are fixated on here.
mircea_popescu: you can just live with her.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme tell you a story that will illustrate this point.
mircea_popescu: so when i first landed here i kept a hotel room for about a week. my across the hall neighbour was this ukrainian dude. we met in the elevator and well, at the time the ukr stuff was just blowing up and so i was curious, and he was as happy as anything to speak to someone... wise.
mircea_popescu: this guy was never sober. literally. you know what i mean, that drunk functionality of the hardcore ukrainian ?
TomServo: !up irdial
thestringpuller: ;;echo
thestringpuller: ;;ls
TomServo: Pretty minor gripe but, "under a regulation that requires he prove his intent to depart the U.S." - how does one prove that?
TomServo: "No - see, my calendar says I have a dentist appt back home in 2 weeks so I'll definitely be gone."
mircea_popescu: TomServo really, he's being about as dumb as nefario.
mircea_popescu: that's always been there, for foreigners, which people who renounce a citizenship become.
mircea_popescu: it is customarily shown by a) substantial assets and b) family ties.
mircea_popescu: the uncomfortable reality that he has neither is obviously something he's not willing to confront, and so it has to be about how bad teh us customs & immigration is.
mircea_popescu: now, it's all fine and dandy to all agree on how teh us is the empire of evil. however, the notion that they'd err on the side of not letting anyone in is plain ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: i had no problem getting romania's like i dunno, 3rd ? 10 year visa fifteen years ago when i actually wanted one. notwithstanding that romania was you know, a sort of ukraine in 2025, and notwithstanding that bush was in charge.
mircea_popescu: what, obama strengthened the border ? gimme a break.
TomServo: Sure - with you there, it just seems incredibly hard to really 'prove' intent to leave.
mircea_popescu: because "i own a hotel in mali, wtf do i want with your stinkhole" is not good enough ?
thestringpuller: whoa mircea_popescu is from the future
thestringpuller: i knew it
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller just some futures.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << he has a point there, ben & mod6
TomServo: irdial: https://twitter.com/beautyon_ that you?
assbot: Beautyon (@Beautyon_) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvrIIc )
irdial: Yes it is.
mircea_popescu: o hey. how goes irdial
TomServo: irdial: cool, welcome
irdial: Greets, it goes well...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27067 @ 0.00063823 = 17.275 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not only will IT grow, but the diy capabilities of the right people will grow, which is significantly more valuable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00064054 = 9.9284 BTC [+]
TomServo: Is there a preferred platform?
TomServo: !up danielpbarron
danielpbarron: irdial, lol you block me for telling you about this place and now here you are!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16715 @ 0.00064802 = 10.8317 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: !up irdial
mircea_popescu: TomServo just as long as it works. i imagine nubbins` ec idea is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: make a container or w/e they call it, just have people run it.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron couldn't have been for that reason, i recall the guy following me on twitter, back before the antonoderp murder.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: would like that idea
thestringpuller: him and his docker
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/514417197108957184 << this is the last thing i tweeted at him before he blocked me
assbot: Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "@Beautyon_ Unless you're in the #WebOfTrust, you aren't a "real person." It doesn't matter what your "needs" are. http://t.co/zu7UA4VkBd" ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFD5NV )
mike_c: given irdial's apparent hatred of kyc it seems like this is a good place to be.
TomServo: !up undata
undata: :) thanks
mike_c: except he can't talk
TomServo: !up irdial
TomServo: sorry, missed that
mike_c: can't wait for gribble to come home.
thestringpuller: what if gribble never comes home
undata: is there an alternate auth route?
thestringpuller: altgribble but kako doesn't use that
undata read the gossipd logs; maybe that will have to save us
mike_c: somebody send artifexd more coffee
artifexd: Why?
TomServo: I don't think that'll happen soon enough. Maybe a modified ircd with a bolted on gribble in the meantime?
undata: I actually just gave the stuff up (again)
mike_c: aren't you writing gossipd? we need it yesterday :)
undata: I find I have more alertness throughout the day without
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> can't wait for gribble to come home. << i dun think gribble is coming back. if it were, i wouldn't trust it.
mircea_popescu: replacement is being spun up as we speak.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah, did an operator disappear along with gribble?
TomServo: no shit?
mircea_popescu: no shit.
mircea_popescu: yes, nano's not been heard from, the only reasonable assumption is something asciilifeform'd say.
mircea_popescu: well... perhaps reasonable's not the right word. safe.
mircea_popescu: the only unreasonably safe assumption.
mike_c: well, you took a few weeks off and we still trust you
mircea_popescu: i announced it.
mike_c: true
mircea_popescu: and infrastructure didn't fail meanwhile, with no word.
thestringpuller: damn nanotube has let us down :(
TomServo: folks in otc are claiming it's a planned absence, I haven't seen anything specific though.
mircea_popescu: me either.
thestringpuller: yea no blog post or anything
mike_c: so.. this is when assbot officially takes over the world then.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure that in realpolitik terms this was the more important use of gribble.
mircea_popescu: what with all the stuff being build atop it and so on.
undata: clearly the guy had to be stopped... he was running an irc channel!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what about RagnarDanneskjol 's allegation ?
mircea_popescu: what was that ?
asciilifeform: (that nanotube went off on vacation, and spoke to him thus)
asciilifeform hasn't the faintest notion of this being true or false
mircea_popescu: i don't know that guy is anybody, outside of social engineering everyone. he doesn't have a rating from nano, the notion they know each other is improbable on the face, and if in fact this were a job you'd fully expect a bunch of unknowns talking authoritatively in such manner.
mircea_popescu: so i am making of it exactly nothing.
asciilifeform: aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets.
mircea_popescu shrugs. either way, that pie's cooked.
asciilifeform: http://chron.eduhmao.ru/img_1_10_1_5.jpeg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCn4Hz )
TomServo: It'll be interesting if gribble returns after a replacement is spun up.
TomServo: Pre-forkwar fork war?
mircea_popescu: interesting, how ?
TomServo: How that plays out.
mircea_popescu: gribble is only relevant in this channel by specific inclusion from assbot. once it lost that, it lost it.
mircea_popescu: an it just lost it.
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/1HTSV2Q.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DCnMVg )
mircea_popescu: maybe if it convincingly performs for a while the two wots can be bridged later on (how such a thing could be done in principle has been discussed a few times) and that'll be a great step towards de facto decentralization with central servers and that's that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aha kay.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just need to trust the maintainers of the gatekeepers into the WoT
mircea_popescu: if there's multiples lying becomes that more difficult and less valuable anyway.
mircea_popescu: but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
mircea_popescu: if anyone asks me, i'd rather see as few of these vacations as possible.
kakobrekla: if the bot werent down nobody would have noticed
asciilifeform: assuming 'vacation' - at least he pulled the pin, rather than allowed the motherland to pass into enemy hands
mircea_popescu: yeah, if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed.
mircea_popescu: unsung heroes, that's exactly it. "if the bot weren't down nobody would have noticed".
mircea_popescu: should be a verse somewhere.
kakobrekla: lol fuck what have i done.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verse somewhere -- actually, it is: '...отряд не заметил потери бойца.'
mircea_popescu: quite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00064678 = 6.9529 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30040 @ 0.00005 = 1.502 BTC [-] {12}
mod6: i was just looking back at that myself ben_vulpes
mod6: I have written a guide on how to patch the reference implementation. is that one too complex?
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000025.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuBJcw )
asciilifeform still finds the image peculiar, of nanotube having advanced warning of his 'vacation'
asciilifeform: unless it actually started as a vacation
mod6: I've walked through that guide with a guy locally here, and there are a few minor changes that I need to make to it this month. I'll get to it when I can, but mostly, it's exactly what you need. Aside from installing the dependancies.
mod6: you basically need to do these for that:
mod6: (on debian 6):
mod6: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
mod6: sudo apt-get install -y build-essential libssl-dev libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev libboost-all-dev wget git
mod6: i left that out of the guide as I don't wish to presume which environment it should be built on.
mod6: but currently, that's what we're testing on. i have an medium ec2 instance im testing on, and a few other smaller vm's.
mod6: If anyone wants to write a more user-friendly how-to as opposed to what I have already written, by all means!
asciilifeform: !s tc-play
assbot: 0 results for 'tc-play' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tc-play
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bwalex/tc-play
assbot: bwalex/tc-play · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuKLqa )
asciilifeform: ^ no comment on quality or even whether it works at all
asciilifeform noticed recently that there are suspiciously many claimed 'plug in replacements' for truecrypt bouncing around
asciilifeform: (they appear to consist largely of the same two or three things, with slight variations)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1655 @ 0.00088212 = 1.4599 BTC [+] {5}
thestringpuller: hi hanbot
artifexd: !up hanbot
artifexd: Nope. Can't do it.
mod6: !up hanbot
thestringpuller: lol mod6's connection has outlasted everyone
thestringpuller: its like those slumber parties
thestringpuller: where you try to stay up all night
thestringpuller: as a kid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8242 @ 0.00064637 = 5.3274 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: :]
cazalla: apologies for the diarrheatic driblee. back to bed, needed that water
thestringpuller: cazalla: feel better
thestringpuller: :D
thestringpuller: oh see pm
asciilifeform: ^ deliberate experiment ?
asciilifeform: or fleanode flea bite.
ben_vulpes: o hey a magic string
mod6: cazalla: The Bitcoin Foundation will commit to publishing a "follow along at home install guide" with the first the signed first release.
mod6: Thanks for calling that to our attention.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29005 @ 0.00063272 = 18.352 BTC [+]
mod6: !up hanbot
thestringpuller: turn up!
thestringpuller: !turnup
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/552861244714405891
assbot: We are fully rebuilding our systems from the ground up so that customers can use /Bitstamp with full confidence and trust.
kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/553260340411379714
assbot: Working alongside the team from San Francisco, progress towards redeployment is strong. Huge thank you to for your confidence and patience.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015#968841 ftr.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf).
TomServo: https://twitter.com/BryanMicon/status/552965944239480832
assbot: Thanks for your patience and sorry for any confusion.
TomServo: @nejc_kodric glglglgl getting @Bitstamp back online.
TomServo: I have said publicly that no, this wasn't @MtGox 2.0 and you aren't @MagicalTux 2.0
TomServo: -Bryan (don't make me Ver 2.0) Micon
TomServo: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00062566 = 5.6935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67995 @ 0.00062973 = 42.8185 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: hehe. Jan. 6 "24-48 hrs". Jan. 8 "Progress is strong!"
mike_c: Jan. 10 "Fuck, I don't know, stop asking"
TomServo: !up Mashuri
Mashuri: Hi Tom
TomServo: Ahoy
mod6: https://imgflip.com/i/g5vn6
assbot: Imgflip ... ( http://bit.ly/14vjFxZ )
thestringpuller: mike_c: Jan. 23rd we're getting there.
Mashuri: Thanks for the !up but I'm just lurking. I have a WoT account if needed for later. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00064029 = 8.1957 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17664 @ 0.0006274 = 11.0824 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: http://truth-out.org/news/item/28390-deep-questions-arise-over-portland-s-corporate-water-takeover << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface
assbot: Deep Questions Arise Over Portland's Corporate Water Takeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqrkNf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73946 @ 0.00064755 = 47.8837 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29274 @ 0.00065077 = 19.0506 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: !up mnmx
TomServo: ben_vulpes: was it portland where they were fining people for catching rainwater?
thestringpuller: TomServo: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail
thestringpuller: enjoi
TomServo: thestringpuller: thanks
mike_c: wtf. bitbet has gone insanse
mike_c: *insane!
mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice?
mike_c: betting early on bitbets makes sense and betting late makes sense. you are cutting out 50% of the time it makes good sense to bet.
TomServo: !up jborkl
asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
assbot: postdocs - Whether to tell his prospective employer that a new male post doc opposes affirmative action for women in academia? - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqvrZA )
ben_vulpes: not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff.
jborkl: Hello everyone
fluffypony: A O RIVER
fluffypony: sorry, instinctive reaction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18935 @ 0.00065079 = 12.3227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00065079 = 4.5881 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, he will be 'on vacation' until shows up rolled in a cage through wash.,d.c streets. << I believe it is the "Southern District of Manhattan" nao
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970123 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 17:32:25; mircea_popescu: but, fair warning to the ones still left inside the beast : nano, prior to his vacation, was a law abiding economy teacher, a bright kid and a very loyal and honorable fellow all around.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not that richilieu couldn't cough up the proverbial 'six lines by the hand of the honest man'
BingoBoingo: Naturally
BingoBoingo: !up irdial
jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
assbot: Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWee8S )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if -otc weren't as dead as it appears to have been for the past year or two, i imagine it could be possible for the buggers to set up a 'controlled buy' of some contraband or other, embroiling -otc, and spinning up nanotube as 'a dpr'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but it seems like a stretch. bullet is cheaper.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stern words, 'horse's head on pillow' - cheaper still.
BingoBoingo: Lemme pull up and order from the order feed real quick...
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density. <<
BingoBoingo: One of the last orders to hit the #bitcoin-otc ticker
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: DU is not illegal to own in usa, afaik
asciilifeform: (ianal)
asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements
asciilifeform: according to pediwik
jurov: poor dude he just wanted the uranium to make some nanowire clothing to keep him warm
asciilifeform: the 'highly radioactive' whatever-the-fuck, another story
BingoBoingo: Well... in USSA who but Preet can know what crime is. What I can see though is that was order #21874 and #21876 was the very last entered
asciilifeform: that's easily worth as many 'jail points' from penal code as the bootleg fireworks of r. ver
asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go in for having operated 'ebay' (ver's case)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34448 @ 0.00063579 = 21.9017 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7552 @ 0.00062472 = 4.7179 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: anyone ever read the story about the guy who fell asleep next to a reactor cause he was cold
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it wasn't a reactor. it was a russian rtg.
ben_vulpes: i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there are multiple reasonably well-documented corpses of thieves, poachers, metal hunters, killing themselves on rtg
asciilifeform: !s soviet rtg
assbot: 2 results for 'soviet rtg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=soviet+rtg
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: thanks. I remember someone reading a news article on that in school years ago.
thestringpuller: back in my younger more vulnerable years
ben_vulpes: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode.
assbot: Super-insulated clothing could eliminate need for indoor heating ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWfI2N )
asciilifeform: back to the 'radioactive mushroom' - anyone could, in principle, leave a 'wanted ad' to the effect of wishing to purchase $bannedobject anywhere he wants
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what fraction of heat loss is from breathing ?
asciilifeform: or will we 'insulate' that as well.
ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit
asciilifeform: 'tell me again about the waters of your home world...'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform you really should attempt a short stand up routine
thestringpuller: you make me laugh as much as some of my favorite comedians
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: direct quote from one of the 'dune' film adaptations
thestringpuller: the "what fraction of heat loss is from breathing or will we 'insulate' that as well." made water come out of my nose
TomServo: !up AlexWkz
thestringpuller: something lewis black would say if he were an engineer
TomServo: I'll have to agree, most my #b-a chuckles and belly laughs are from asciilifeform
asciilifeform: observe, plenty of uranium ore on, e.g., 'ebay.' but no refined metal (depleted or, srsly what do you expect - the other kind)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34635 @ 0.00065114 = 22.5522 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: '#21876 GlooBoy BUY 100.0 @ 100 / {bitstampask} * .84 BTC Buying up to 100$<-(todays limit) Physical Amazon Gift Cards (NO eGIFT CARDS) - Offer only available to those with considerable OTC/WoT trust. -/msg GlooBoy for a exact quote and privacy - visit https://localbitcoins.com/ad/72576/?ch=c6c'
assbot: Buy bitcoins online in from GlooBoy: Amazon Gift Card ... ( http://bit.ly/1xWh3qz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38529 @ 0.00065705 = 25.3155 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ^ perhaps this, and not the imaginary radioactive mushrooms.
asciilifeform: or the couple of 'bank transfer' ones from slightly earlier.
asciilifeform: plenty enough for a preet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00065941 = 14.9686 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: "You want an irradiated mushroom? Fine." "An unreulated bank transfer?!? Come with us to federal prison plz."
thestringpuller: unregulated*
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/judge-forrest-rules-uncharged-murder-plot-can-be-presented-at-trial/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39564 @ 0.00064791 = 25.6339 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rriqb/gavin_andresen_experiments_with_bigger_blocks/cniltmv << mircea_popescu do you have access to gay porn stars?
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/
assbot: One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyMQI2 )
BingoBoingo: !up irdial
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22499 @ 0.00062445 = 14.0495 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: linux permissions are about as fucking nonsensical as it gets.
mircea_popescu: so if you > or >> a filename that doesn't exist and you want to run it, you have to set a permission bit separately.
mircea_popescu: however, if you > or >> a filename that exists already, you can run it just fine.
mircea_popescu: because that's logical.
undata: also executing a folder is what you're doing when you enter it...
undata: what do you think would be better, a sort of stream header that indicates the nature of the bits to come?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p03/p/15.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyPVYz )
mircea_popescu: undata i think it'd be better that the execute bit gets trashed every time the file is modified.
mircea_popescu: or else, simply don't have it.
mircea_popescu: if your philosophy is that the file modification is what you defend against.
undata: yep, the former has sane security consequences
undata: the latter is more aligned with what actually happens, the file doesn't execute itself, something invokes it
mircea_popescu: well if the idea is that "he who has the authority to modify a file always has the authority to also execute it" then "executable" bit makes 0 sense.
mircea_popescu: contrarywise, if your idea is that one needs the priviledge to make files executable, then this situation where a file is modified and stays executable makes 0 sense.
undata: mhm
mircea_popescu: but really, the problem is folders=files and execution = opening
mircea_popescu: clearly "executing" an archive is not the same as decompressing it.
irdial: Presumably a "default file permission on creation" of any new file would fix it, then you would be forced to set the executable bit every time.
undata: along those lines having files owned by a single group is brain dead
undata: the whole ACL system is just a bunch of ad hoc ideas
undata thinks RDBMS got ACL much more right
mircea_popescu: it is a bunch of ad hoc gunk yes.
mircea_popescu: to think 1991 - 2011 were spent in a "oh linux is better than windows" nonsense, instead of being spent to, you know, make a sane environment.
mircea_popescu: no wonder ubuntu and systemd are what's left on that smoldering pyre.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is all moot since anything can read any file as data and trhen execute it as code anyway
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what would be a good resolution source for this bet:
thestringpuller: This bet resolves no if Gavin's proposed hard fork is launched, and in succession achieves 51% consensus of the network. This bet resolves yes, if the current Bitcoin fork keeps 51% consensus of the network, or if Gavin's proposed hard fork is never launched.
thestringpuller: Will likely require someone to monitor both forks (running both versions) if the event occurs as a resolution source. (Resolution source still required).
mircea_popescu: i dunno how it'd neatly be worded tbh
mircea_popescu: i mean, in such a way as partisanship can't hijack the meaning post facto
mike_c: thestringpuller: you've seen http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ ?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 0.03 B (3%) on Yes, 1.07 B (97%) on No | closing in 10 months 1 week| weight: 98`183 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyTgXy )
thestringpuller: nah i have not
thestringpuller: thanks for bringing that to my attention
mircea_popescu: i'd argue that bet doesn't actually do what the title says.
mircea_popescu: "Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase"
mike_c: well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :)
mircea_popescu: yeh, there's that.
mircea_popescu: stil, as it is prolly a better phrasing anyway, give both sides some sort of chance.
mike_c: there should be a 'bet author' credit. make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms.
mircea_popescu: mike_c there is.
mircea_popescu: bitcent prize for when you figure it out :D
mike_c: right, the initial wager
mircea_popescu: right hehe
mircea_popescu: and since kako's reforms, that's quite universal, nobody can say "if only i had thought of zeroconfing it"
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end bitbet will spawn a bit phrasing discussion forum
mircea_popescu: full of puns and wordplay and intricate hebrew arguments.
BingoBoingo: BitBet is the new courts circus
mike_c: ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet. http://bitbet.us/stats/1sz7C5kag76Djs55vdBFvtinvLTyfn4pf/
assbot: BitBet Stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wyUTEE )
ben_vulpes: salud, punkman
ben_vulpes: i'd up ye, but...
ben_vulpes: !up punkman
mircea_popescu: mike_c go on ?
punkman: weird power outage, ups crapped out :(
mike_c: the time weighting system puts a dead zone in the middle of the lifetime of a bet
mike_c: It is often not profitable to bet given your estimation of the odds and the current weight.
mike_c: the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you figure the odds two weeks late and the market already is stable you're... late ?
mike_c: no, more like this:
mike_c: "market", i.e. what the money says is that the odds of yes are 60%
mike_c: you believe the odds are actually 65%
mike_c: but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82%
mike_c: well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet
mircea_popescu: let's model this for the sake of argument ?
mike_c: ok
mike_c: i will
mircea_popescu: so, 10 day bet, on day 1 it's made, and 4 BTC on yes (40 weight) 60 BTC on no (60 weight)
mike_c: i assume you meant 40 btc/60 btc
mike_c: but ok, i'll work with that.
mircea_popescu: on day 4 you come and split a btc : .35 on yes (2.1 weight), .65 on no (3.9 weight)./
mircea_popescu: assuming no further bets
mircea_popescu: you own 2.1 / 42.1 of 11 btc = 0.548693587 BTC if yes
mircea_popescu: and 3.9 / 63.9 of 11 btc = 0.671361502 if no.
mike_c: yes, well, first off that was silly
mike_c: clearly both sides can't be profitable wagers
mircea_popescu: 1.223563603 / 2 = 0.611781801
mircea_popescu: so you are about at your .65
mircea_popescu: minus a good chunk, granted. but still +
mircea_popescu: (if you throw 1 btc blindly on a 65% odds event you should overall make .65 back)
mike_c: ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mike_c: this example makes no sense. why did i put .35 on yes and .65 on no.
mircea_popescu: and i'd argue it's fair you realise SOME of the 60-65 difference but not all, inasmuch as well... you're both on the right side of 50%, just you're 50% closer.
mircea_popescu: mike_c statistics baby.
mike_c: yeah, i'm about to school ya :)
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you bet. i put both wagers down explicitly to get all terms on the table and leave no stone unturned.
mircea_popescu: (ie, people betting one single side THINK they are. but they aren't. they should reserve the other anyway, if playing sanely)
mircea_popescu: ie, put some btc aside in their pocket
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10000 @ 0.00089994 = 8.9994 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5730 @ 0.0006282 = 3.5996 BTC [+]
mike_c: ok, day 4 i bet 1 btc on no (6 weight)
mike_c: and if no wins, i get 6/66 * 11btc = 1btc? wtf.
mike_c: that's not right.
mircea_popescu: it's not, because you're looking at a dynamic situation as if it were a photograph.
mircea_popescu: yes, if the 1 doesn't get covered you make a loss.
mike_c: well, i break even
mircea_popescu: but that's not because of the system. that's because of market inefficiency (your bet didn't get covered)
mircea_popescu: your presumption HOWEVER
mircea_popescu: was that market is at 60^
mircea_popescu: in which case your 1 will have to be covered to maintain the 60%. do that.
mike_c: and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering..
mircea_popescu: well OBVIOUSLY then it's also the only way to lose money. eh ?
mike_c: and OBVIOUSLY nobody is going to maintain the 60% because the time weighting!
mircea_popescu: ...
mike_c: why would I bet on a 40% likely event and 20% odds?
mircea_popescu: except, of course, as i shown above, if they bet rationally they do have a rational incentive to move the odds if they believe the odds.
mike_c: *at
mike_c: ok, i shall paint a complete and pretty picture on btcalpha.
mircea_popescu: by all means.
mike_c: right after dinner :) to be continued later.
punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/one-coachs-nightmare-sending-his-wank-video-to-female-players/2/ charged with "Risk of Injury to Child"
assbot: One coach’s nightmare—sending his wank video to female players | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0fzP )
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << this new year's was nothing like last years'
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1wz0ICa )
thestringpuller: I miss Bugpowder :(
thestringpuller: and smickles
mircea_popescu: TomServo herbi stopped by ? you two are liek friends ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i am very upset over this fork talk << eh, nothing to get excited over, a little bit of war.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ << whooa over 5k huh
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 11`042 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRAwHj )
mircea_popescu: yeah that's gonna be a cool 54 btc for bitbet once it resolves.
mircea_popescu: prolly moar than bitpay makes that month hehe
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 18:56:xx you got uncloaked, assuming it matters
mircea_popescu: apparently doesn't.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << you know he has a legitimate question there.
asciilifeform: (the 'cloak' thing isn't worth a broken penny, but we already knew that)
mircea_popescu: it has its uses.
mircea_popescu: "I'd also like to see a source to this claim. I'll start a bounty of 3,000 bits." gotta love reddit.
asciilifeform: to collect the 'bounty of 3,000 bits' why not go to the train station and pick up loose change...?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was <<< all old folks i knew, of that exact generation, spent about 20 hours a week, each week, with a beer and tobacco, talking exactly the same things.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the solution to "welfare state has made life impossible for actual people" is "feel moar ashamed and guilty"
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to whip out the cock, jack off, send the film to every girl in junior high, then when the troopers show up whip the cock out, jack off on their face and beat them until they lick it off and thank you for it.
asciilifeform: with or without hexagen vest ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot' << i can see it tbh.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of ancient joke. "tarzan prin jungla, gaseste o bita. "buna bita!" "buna tarzan!""
mircea_popescu: ie, tarzan in the jungle, finds a glub. "now that's a good club". "hello tarzan". because buna is ambiguously hello and "this is a good item"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#969982 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 15:54:28; TomServo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/judge-govt-can-show-murder-for-hire-evidence-in-silk-road-trial/
mircea_popescu: quick "fundaments of law" practice work. were you the judge, would you have allowed the evidence presented ? if yes, why ? if not, why not ?
asciilifeform: the judge, or the freisler ?
mircea_popescu: the judge.
asciilifeform sometimes catches himself forgetting that preet is not (yet) a judge
mircea_popescu: we're learning law here, not americana.
asciilifeform: ianal but per american law as taught, the thing is a circu
asciilifeform: s
asciilifeform: at least a three ring circus, no less
mircea_popescu: law, as an intellectual tradition / cultural phenomenon is quite sensible.
mircea_popescu: you can't say "clothes are dumb" just because americans are poor and the chinese are mocking them.
asciilifeform: 'thing' being the case
asciilifeform: not law as concept
mircea_popescu: ah sure.
mircea_popescu: but i avoided that deliberately.
mircea_popescu: evidentiary hearings are quite separate from any case.
punkman: "Ulbricht does not currently face charges of attempted murder." so evidence unrelated to current case?
mircea_popescu: well that's iffy.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to show rationale.
asciilifeform: punkman: according to the document, judge proclaimed it relevant to his having been characterized as a flight risk
asciilifeform: during earlier bail hearing
asciilifeform: and thus not excludable
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones are you writing me repos/options/something on gavinbucks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i was more curios in general discussion, rather than merely judging the judge.
los_pantalones: ha, no, i haven't been in here for too long
los_pantalones: going through withdrawal
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: on the merits the judge is entirely correct, he couldn't have excluded that.
asciilifeform: the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope
mircea_popescu: but the discussion of whether the envelope is real or metaphysical is important.
mircea_popescu: yes, by and large the scientist in the lab is a puppet.
asciilifeform: as in, whether only the specced kind of judge stands a chance of becoming an american judge - or, at least, of deciding so much as the least bit of such a case - or - alternatively, whether explicit control over the judges is somehow exercised ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/ vs http://pastebin.com/YfQLnKQz for a quick update.
assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCDLu )
assbot: Looking before the Scaling Up Leap - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRCE1L )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as to whether you in his place would find yourself in the same envelope or not.
los_pantalones: whoa, gribble dead?
los_pantalones: i did miss a lot
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: "RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator. However, radio frequency attacks of this type would be difficult for a variety of reasons. First, the frequencies that the radios use are not published, so an attacker would have to broadcast across all frequencies of all bands used for FM and AM broadcasting. "
mircea_popescu: this just made my brain melt.
mircea_popescu: SERIOUSLY !?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we read this one together !
asciilifeform: during one of early rng discussions, i think
mircea_popescu: and if i go to fuck a girl, i can't like... in any manner observe where the blasted slit is
mircea_popescu: so i have to shoot sperm in a ball all around ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, random.org for crabs ?
asciilifeform: for children, doing homework exercises
asciilifeform: who else uses it ?
mircea_popescu: "Second, this is not an attack that can be launched from anywhere in the world, only reasonably close to the generator. "
mircea_popescu: lmao.
thestringpuller: so S.NSA will sell RNG dongle one day?
mircea_popescu: ahahha this is like some prime comedy
mircea_popescu: so you gotta be close and you can't hear. gwan
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there's a toggle which forces continuous rng grind, yes
thestringpuller: cardano is giving me a raging clue
mircea_popescu: "Q1.6: Does RANDOM.ORG perform custom jobs that require randomness? Yes. Perhaps you need more numbers than it's possible to get via the web forms, or perhaps you need them in a format that isn't supported. In those cases, we can set up a custom job for you to supply the numbers."
mircea_popescu: i would like the number 6 in a cup, please.
mircea_popescu: number formats !?
thestringpuller: !s random.org
assbot: 5 results for 'random.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=random.org
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if all you need is an rng, you can very easily build a satisfactory one yourself in an evening. from, e.g., 1970s textbooks.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm not as competent as you in the fields of not electrocuting myself
asciilifeform: nobody (i hope) uses some bozo's www 'rng' site for weaponized anything
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to appreciate the value of convenience SOME DAY
asciilifeform: matter of fact, i appreciate that, for instance, i do not (yet) have to build own refrigerator.
mircea_popescu: i actually did that.
asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced.
mircea_popescu hooked up old minifrige system to old vw golf for home made ac long ago
mircea_popescu: Ulbricht won only a few minor points. The government won't be able to point to certain books sold on Silk Road, such as Silent but Deadly and Homemade C-4: A Recipe for Survival. Those exhibits "unnecessarily inject elements of violence and explosive devices that are not otherwise part of this case."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did he want THAT excluded
mircea_popescu: they only took them out because they didn't want the jury to hear the titles,. lest they look it up
asciilifeform: mega-lol!
asciilifeform: both, iirc, are classics on w4r3z, for some years
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: old b&w scans, passed around since fuck knows when.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if he fires his lawyer now.
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: cheers!~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18249 @ 0.00062301 = 11.3693 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol what bill would that be?
mircea_popescu: "[A]s a side note, at what point in time do we decide that we’ve had enough of someone[’]s shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in your opinion."
mircea_popescu: there was something very very odd about the pgp used on this site that allowed employees to impersonate users.
pete_dushenski: peterl nice work on the blog aggregator! any guesses as to why my apostraphes are so mangled?
mircea_popescu: maybe the government was impersonating dpr all along ?
asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1qh266/guide_pgp_4_n00bz << considering that this was how pgp was used...
assbot: [GUIDE] PGP 4 N00BZ : SilkRoad ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXw4JL )
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all these ppl get so excited about pgp. clearly it doesn't do anything
mircea_popescu: brb moving to tor.
pete_dushenski: heh
pete_dushenski: "The cost of insuring Russia’s bonds against non-repayment for five years jumped 61 basis points this year to 538, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That makes the nation’s debt the fifth-riskiest globally, above speculative-grade countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Portugal."
pete_dushenski: whoa, nano!
asciilifeform: either the man himself, or funkspiel.
mircea_popescu: well that's the beauty of the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.
mircea_popescu: you can never really swear who's the real billy mumphrey.
BingoBoingo: A waterfall bursts http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/28/us-volkswagen-idUSTRE49R3I920081028
assbot: Short sellers make VW the world's priciest firm| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXxOTr )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's something about vw that attracts this sort of thing. i recall a similar carnage in the 80, and then somerthing with audi
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo except aapl!
pete_dushenski: and around 2007-08 porsche almost bought vw, then got flipped on its ass and the reverse happened
mircea_popescu: o yeah the porsche merger
mircea_popescu: such a lulzfest
pete_dushenski: yup. pretty much sealed porsche as a maker of, well, w4r3s
pete_dushenski: they used to be cool
pete_dushenski: now they make shiny things a la apple and lv
asciilifeform: lv ?
pete_dushenski: louis vuitton
asciilifeform associates that company exclusively with spam
mircea_popescu: lvhm!
pete_dushenski: m before h ;)
mircea_popescu: the only thing making money in france, sort of like paris' appple
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i like henessy better!
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DKM9MN.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 5
pete_dushenski: lol i'm more of a courvoisier guy
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean it's any good. merely that moet is meh-er-er!
pete_dushenski: i know i know, it's Ţuică or bust
pete_dushenski: tsuika
mircea_popescu: assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:06:06; kakobrekla: btw bitstamp is moving operations to us (prolly sf). << qntra shoulda scooped you!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski actually reserva san juan is pretty decent. just had some.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00062593 = 17.7138 BTC [+] {2}