gribble: Nick 'EPiSKiNG-', with hostmask 'EPiSKiNG-!~EPiSKiNG-@unaffiliated/episking', is identified as user 'EPiSKiNG-', with GPG key id 721730127CD7574D, key fingerprint EBFC267F8F10EFD1FB84854D721730127CD7574D, and bitcoin address 1EPiSKiNG139bzcwTm8rxMFNfFFdanLW5K
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undata: +asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...' << make money and gtfo in my case
undata: or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1650 @ 0.00120998 = 1.9965 BTC [-] {8}
undata: seems to me that there are two circumstances to avoid: 1) being crunched under the US gov's ever-increasing bureaucratic mass 2) the skullfucking that is due to the US when there's an entity powerful enough to perform it
nubbins`: seems to me there's not a whole lot you can do to avoid either
undata: I can; as for the rest, natural selection's a bitch
nubbins`: not sure it's natural selection
undata: how is govt any less natural a hazard?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00050647 = 15.1435 BTC [-]
undata: asciilifeform: I just want somewhere to sit and watch the bonfire
undata: maybe so, but I'd rather have something to struggle towards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9652 @ 0.00050293 = 4.8543 BTC [-] {2}
undata: argie let nazis retire there; what's wrong with a few 'muricans? :D
undata: I think you're right; it won't be a great thing abroad to be or have been an american
undata: I intend to stay active creating software; I'd probably continue to work with americans
undata: I've got various software things cooking now, one operational and paying my rent
undata: I don't feel a burning urge to attract the attention of that govt
undata: they can have their taxes, etc
undata: speaking of Thailand, my accountant lives there most of the year
undata: Chile is one that's appealed to me
thestringpuller: today I heard the phrase: "Encryption as a Service" used as a buzz-phrase.
assbot: EPiSKiNG- +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
EPiSKiNG-: all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love
gribble: You have not yet rated user danielpbarron
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danielpbarron: well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord
danielpbarron: you've got quite a few positive ratings from users i don't trust
kakobrekla: <EPiSKiNG-> all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love < this thing apparently works, those ratings are useless
danielpbarron: you're from a different WoT, sort-of; all your connections are from -otc, and none are from here (or at least from anyone here who matters (and therefore anyone anywhere who matters))
decimation: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: deterministic wallets << the ware that someone dropped in the chan a few days ago was amusing: you enter you die rolls on the command line (history!) and then it converts to 'diceware' string, and then it takes a sha256 hash
decimation: seems like a good recipie to greatly restrict the keyspace
kakobrekla: someones coding license needs to be revoked?
decimation: yeah, it was a noob implementation. But it brought up a question in my mind: for RSA, private key and public key are derived from a prime number. Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA?
mike_c: ecdsa works on the magical horseshoe principle. you start from one spot on the horseshoe and shoot over to the other side, and where you land is difficult to figure out.
mike_c: unless you use the nsa horseshoe, which everyone knows the answers to.
decimation: asciilifeform: why would the russian foreign ministry run winblows?
decimation: well, probably for the same reason soviets wanted pdp11
decimation: what is the difference between that and the fsb?
decimation took a course in soviet politics years ago and I left more confused about its bureaucracy
decimation: so all internal security is nominally 'under' fsb?
decimation: I guess in the us the fbi is kinda the secret police
decimation: do these still compete today? russian military and svr?
decimation: probably about the same kind of stuff as the us version
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10220 @ 0.0005022 = 5.1325 BTC [+]
decimation: nah, not that stuff, the history of the development of ecdsa
decimation: and speculation on why the most retarded design decisions were made to force vulnerabilities
decimation: "the people" of the us should demand their tax dollars back
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases?
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mircea_popescu: <undata> or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster << petty crime is really a very poor plan.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ? << all women that i ever met. srsly.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user EPiSKiNG- has been recorded.
decimation: there is plenty of 'hard work' going on in the us, just misdirected
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA? << sort-of. the exponent is ideally chosen randomly as well as the index.
decimation: Yeah I am going to have to work it out for myself it seems
mircea_popescu: tho i am very suspicious of ecdsa for what you'd call "political" reasons.
mircea_popescu: but there's also some scienfitic doubt. you really don't know a) how good a "random curve" is n the generla case ; b) you don't really know how to calculate the quality of a good curve.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's fond of pointing out to the pi problem of "random numbers", ie, for all you know xth index of pi digits is random
mircea_popescu: for FUCKING OBVIOUS reasons, such as... the involvement of pi! this is true for curves too.
decimation: yeah this is why RSA seems more compelling
decimation: people have been banging their heads against factoring large primes for a long time
decimation: I can see why satoshi avoided using the nist curves, but using ecc in general was probably a bad move
decimation: it's true it greatly reduced the size of the blockchain, but at what cost?
mircea_popescu: it has to be said, again and again, lest anyone forgets : this was designed as a prototype.
TomServo: ha! did orlov crib 'infinite hit points?
TomServo: Consider this: knowledge is always limited and specific, but ignorance is infinite and completely general; knowledge is hard to convey, and travels no faster than the speed of light, but ignorance is instantaneous at all points in the known and unknown universe, including alternate universes and dimensions of whose existence we are entirely ignorant. In short, there is a limit to how much you can
TomServo: know, but there is no limit at all to how much you don't know but think you do!
TomServo: Just immediately reminded me of it is all.
decimation: asciilifeform: sorry, I mean factoring large composites :)
decimation: orlov is right that wages haven't increased, but prices have fallen
mircea_popescu: just, they found ways to repackage cheaper shit as food.
decimation: I was pricing a nice wild-caught salmon from alaska, goes for $20 per lb at the cheap rate
mircea_popescu: my own personal opinion is you're taking that too far. srsly, current cpus are worth 80 2014 dollars
mircea_popescu: i thought you were kinda arguing both ends of a candle here :p
decimation: the problem is that 2014 has 1980 built into is core, under layers of 'tardation
mircea_popescu: you can't argue with that part. they got really good at printing them.
mircea_popescu: those shitty plastics of the era... not really very mouldable...
decimation: I know for certain that nazi-era IG farben was way ahead of the world in paint technology at the time
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows <<< recall that buenos aires pantalla ?
mircea_popescu: they run it because they're not smart enough to even figure there's away out of the paper bag, as a principle.
decimation:
http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << "By 2020, current cost trends will lead to an average cost of between $15 billion and $20 billion for a leading-edge fab, according to the report. By 2016, the minimum capital expenditure budget needed to justify the building of a new fab will range from $8 billion to $10 billion for logic, $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion for DRAM and $6 billion to $7 billion for NAND flash, according to the report."
decimation: this strikes me as more limiting than physics
mircea_popescu: if you're curious to get a feel for the actual flavour of everyday bvack then, it's a good primer.
Vexual: now the koreans are making the best limo at the best price, just coz they can
mircea_popescu: whoever did the decors put a shitton of intelligent work in
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005116 = 9.26 BTC [+]
Vexual: t-shirts are a recent invention
mircea_popescu: you know, lightbulbs going out, visibly. because back then ? they did.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70082 @ 0.00051256 = 35.9212 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it just occured to me that b-a is actually the only place on the english web where german, russian,french, spanish etc are not merely spoken,
mircea_popescu: but the respective cultures actually accessible and tied in.
Vexual: mircea runs a mercedes
mircea_popescu: jurov's from slovakia, that's like 1/2 german, and kako's somalia is an ex german colony. so like 1/6
decimation: my family is nearly all from germany, but they stopped teaching their kids the language around wwii (in the us)
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik about 40% of the us is actually from germany at some point
decimation: yes, the majority of 'white people' in the us are german
decimation: which is why the englishers had to squash that shit
mircea_popescu: anyway, quick quiz : who is the first person to have spoken german in public in israel post ww2 ?
decimation: eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds?
decimation: academic/media/civil servant complex is the us is chattering about increasing the gas tax, since prices have nearly halved
decimation: no talk about rebalancing spending to cover the shortfall
mthreat: there's also people asking if the US fracking companies will be "bailed out"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00050723 = 5.1991 BTC [-]
assbot: OPEC's No to Oil Production Cut Dents Crude Prices: 3 Energy Funds to Dump - Mutual Fund Commentary - NASDAQ.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1uiAf9P )
decimation: opec is dumping oil to kill the fracking producers in the us
TomServo: Aye - 20-40% fewer well permits being reported, depending on production area.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2014 04:04:57; mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ?
decimation: opec wants to grow into a giant to squash the midgets in oil
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00051437 = 20.4205 BTC [+] {3}
PeterL: is opec not already a giant?
decimation: yes, and they can embiggen themselves to squash any troublesome midgets for a period of time
mats: i wonder how putin feels about it
assbot: The richest man in Russia bought James Watson’s Nobel prize just so he could return it - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1uiEja5 )
decimation: asciilifeform: such a development would be welcome, as it would require a press release with names attached
BingoBoingo: Ah, the greatest protest Watson could undertake would be to sell his nobel annually
mircea_popescu: <decimation> eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds? << yep.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << Respect comes from the buyers returning it, like the many "Gems"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << i didn't read any such plan in there. just, "i want money" "what for ?" "fuck you lol:
BingoBoingo: But now Watson can surmise he will be saved by stotting behavior until the one time he isn't
decimation: nah he said he would give it to a few institutions
mircea_popescu: he didn't seem to want to personally do anything past telling the others what they should be doing
mircea_popescu: admittedly, the traditional behaviour of intellectual types.
mircea_popescu: understand old man psychology : the whole world is made out of younger men
decimation: and empower scientific discovery,” he said."
decimation: yeah he was unspecific about the amounts - "most"
mircea_popescu: cast a wide net of tormentors looking for a handout, watch em squirm basically.
decimation: all of those except maybe cold spring will waste it on stupid shit
decimation: "Of the 62 universities in the Association of American Universities, only four do not have programs in engineering, according to the plan. Of those four, two have joint programs in engineering with other institutions."
decimation: if watson wanted to 'go out with a bang' he would find the right young men to found an institute that explicitly is an enemy of his idio-cratic critics
BingoBoingo: Or he'd do the Jurassic park, breed theme park monsters thing
BingoBoingo: Actual dinosaurs impossible. Theme park monsters with vague resemblance to dinosaurs could probably be done in a decade or two if anyone cared to go monsanto on chickens
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decimation: yeah as Mr. Yarvin enjoys pointing out, the past is dead, cannot live again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00052146 = 30.8704 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: That's actually the line the Jurassic park sequels take when dinosaur feathers happened to become the consensus-ish thing IRL
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assbot: I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap
http://t.co/w1PgofiYzc /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00052756 = 29.4906 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <undata> it's this social progress thing << sounds like it's time to have another dinner party
gribble: Nick 'mats', with hostmask 'mats!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxahmfiunuuiztjr', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00052776 = 30.2934 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00050891 = 26.8704 BTC [-]
punkman: decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases? <- exponent must be smaller than curve order, which is 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00053389 = 15.9633 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1254 @ 0.00122 = 1.5299 BTC [+]
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cazalla: fetch scoopbot, fetch, good dog
cazalla: ah it was sit but whatever the fuck
cazalla: still remember that for some reason, clearly you do too fluffypony
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35597 @ 0.00054829 = 19.5175 BTC [-]
punkman: cazalla: did the normal man have a website?
cazalla: clearly he was anything but normal
cazalla: speaking of black people, i was watching some notorious big music videos and it occurred to me, his weight looks average now, bit much to call him big by 2015 standards
cazalla: it was all a dream, i use to read bitcoin magazine..
punkman: so turns out royalmail's "airmail" is now "truckmail"
punkman: and I was wondering why it took 10+ days every time
punkman: they rebranded earlier this year
punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48810 @ 0.00054171 = 26.4409 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: ppl really use those pod things?
cazalla: prefer tea tbh, coffee meh
punkman sneaks off to make a cup of matcha
cazalla: nice cup of fukashima green tea eh punkman
cazalla: you fkn glow as green as the tea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28753 @ 0.00056211 = 16.1623 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00056459 = 7.1703 BTC [+]
punkman: cazalla, aye straight from japan, still neon green
cazalla: i use to drink a lot of sencha until fukashima
cazalla: then i was like, fkn japanese dogs try to sell mongorrians tainted green tea
punkman: cazalla, could buy some from west japan
cazalla: maybe fukashima farmer takes his tea to west japan, claims tea grown there
cazalla: anyway, we have green tea grown here, just not as good
punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage
cazalla: my missus asian bff, offerred me some chinese liqour once
punkman: well what you gonna do, not drink tea
cazalla: without thinking of cultural sensitivity, i say i'm not drinking that shit, she was most offended lol
cazalla: punkman, fuck that, i has about 10 cups a day
cazalla: use to have a bit of a rooibos habit too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00122755 = 1.9641 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: nooooo, i want to believe he hates the nigs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41011 @ 0.00056621 = 23.2208 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.13999988 = 1.4 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: as i said to BingoBoingo, the trilema article on fat people and their diet which culiminates in day 10-14 gorging themselves on food, tonight, i gorge on alcohol after an abstinence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00056221 = 9.3046 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00056157 = 1.0108 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 06:35:49; ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16340 @ 0.00056112 = 9.1687 BTC [-] {2}
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nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot danielpbarron
danielpbarron: not sure why, since i had just recently joined the channel
nubbins`: well i guess assbot doesn't issue ;;rate commands in-chan
nubbins`: danielpbarron you'll find that most things around here are overly ad-hoc in their implementation
nubbins`: this novus dominus thing is no different 8)
danielpbarron: it was fun while it lasted; I got to lord over the -otc folk a bit
danielpbarron: if you're looking for the rating change, it's logged in #bitcoin-otc-ratings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27280 @ 0.00059633 = 16.2679 BTC [+]
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah usg runs the tenement business now, mostly funded by its credit
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Vexual: thanks for the continue TomServo, i thought this was flappy birds for a minute
decimation: that is an amusing image: the British public took offense because it looked like an ogre was breaching royal protocol
decimation: to the american eye, it looks like they are just 'having fun'
Vexual: what is the protocol there?
decimation: I think "don't grab the princess" is on the list
Vexual: aka swinging just got real
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 100471 @ 0.0012 = 120.5652 BTC {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH1] 1D: 0.00120003 / 0.00121776 / 0.00124200 (15060 shares, 18.33946488 BTC), 7D: 0.00119000 / 0.00122054 / 0.00125000 (112339 shares, 137.11374519 BTC), 30D: 0.00112000 / 0.00121932 / 0.00127000 (392251 shares, 478.28083452 BTC)
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1650 @ 0.0012 = 1.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH3] 1D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 7D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 30D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC)
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http://bitbet.us/bet/989/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.32410779 BTC. Current weight: 16,370.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld send me teh fb data if it's done (seems to be ?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4957 @ 0.0012 = 5.9484 BTC
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3766 @ 0.0012 = 4.5192 BTC
Namworld: I just checked, it's about 3/4th of the way through.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121935 = 1.2194 BTC [+]
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assbot: Russian circus attaches 'dead' hamsters to balloons and DROPS them as 'gifts' | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1x34gS3 )
nubbins`: russian "circus" throws dead rats in jars at children
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 930 @ 0.0012 = 1.116 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00063602 = 7.7594 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: it's because you announced the mircea_popescu stimulus package
thestringpuller: Haha. I was just imagining you as Bitcoin's Obama. It was funnier in my head because of the implied irony.
thestringpuller: shemlessly opened in the middle of a training session at work
thestringpuller: I wish my teacher was a porn star teaching the class naked.
thestringpuller: it's like Google's Bootcamp, but for this company (VMWare)
mircea_popescu: punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery <<< no, it's... AIRWAY ROBBERY
mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it.
mircea_popescu: "unanimous allergic reactions when serious security questions are raised by uninvited academics"
kakobrekla: was there a new ssh vuln found past 24hrs?
mircea_popescu: "ERROR: JavaScript and Cookies are required in order to post a comment.
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, dunno yet, no court docs online, not entered in offender search yet either
nubbins`: jurov "he hand-illuminated the text which had been printed on his home Canon inkjet printer. He worked with a binder to assemble the resulting book."
mircea_popescu: so the guy that wrote that otherwise interesting post : 1) aslo wrote
http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=640 , a complete misrepresentation of the tim swhatever incident ; 2) runs a blog where you need cookies/js to leave him a comment pointing out that no, he's not extempt from the common requirements of "know what you're talking about before you posture" ; 3) has a contact page where i could donate btc to him (or ltc he
assbot: Bitcoin Security and Cryptography: Reasons to Worry | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... (
http://bit.ly/1umah5a )
mircea_popescu: h), but which does not include his email, or his pgp key.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do these people expect to survive, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: i get it, he's a "google scholar" and he has patents. whopee.
nubbins`: and didn't even bind it himself!
nubbins`: what kind of art preschool did he attend?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm im trying to discern whether the recent "secp256k1" talk is simply the defeated nsa trying to find a better reason to fork bitcoin, or these derps actualy have something.
mircea_popescu: but they're so fucking derpy they're not helping me, as itemized above.
cazalla: wonder why they didn't mention drugs in the news article
mircea_popescu: srsly, he keeps linking to reddit thinking/pretending to think he's engaging bitcoin thereby.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm wrestling with my PACER login to find some filings in the Powel case
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still, i can see the argument that "7" is not safe just for being you know, the number of holes on your body.
mircea_popescu: i wonder, if i say Dr. Nicolas T. Courtois will this then be the first hit on his name tomorrow or something ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, birdy whispers in my ear guy's from group that came up with the original xls aes attack. definitely more standing than tim swanson or w/e.
mircea_popescu: but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective.
mircea_popescu: they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (incidentally, coppersmith didn't think much of the xsl thing)
BingoBoingo: Finally got the login sorted out, vague indictment was vague
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they can put people away without even saying what for huh.
BingoBoingo: Well, Indictment lists the charges as money transmission stuff, and "possession of marijuana with intention to distribute"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00064487 = 18.1208 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: So many sealed documents. Apparently last employed April 2008 making $10k/month
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. which is why it's so difficult to discern.
mircea_popescu: obviously, honest man would be in wot rather than sitting at the fringe arguing about how him being in the thief seats is wholly immaterial, he's just there for the view, comfort and etc.
BingoBoingo: The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo!
mircea_popescu: obviously, this is no reason to change anything, but as an intellectual pursuit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically they're just begging for attention at this point.
mircea_popescu: i didn't pick it either, and i am thankful for not having had to.
mircea_popescu: i certainly am not about to go over the man's picks and "improve em".
BingoBoingo: One of the presentencing documents is a prinout of the fucking wikipedia page on Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US Central District of Illinois
BingoBoingo: The entire witness list consists of one item "Group of Photos"
BingoBoingo: And some illegible name with them Luke something or other
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mircea_popescu: on advice from his court-provided or else court-owned scamlawyer
mircea_popescu: the crowd of vultures pretending to represent people's interests in the us courts while strictly representing the court's interest in people's lives is one of the most underrated problems of that country.
mircea_popescu: it's like nigeria, except in nigeria you can't find dentists. in the us you can't find lawyers.
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing court appointed, but no way to tell. The only interesting filing was his handwritten filing pre sentencing.
BingoBoingo: Also the "Statement of Reasons" last filing is also unavailable
undata: that top qntra article is sad.
undata: I was working on my own crypto-only exchange for a bit, then thought better of it since I don't have piles of money for lawyers
BingoBoingo: Not much in the documents other than how evil it is to plea guilty because it lets prosecutors become lazy
undata: looks like I made the right choice
undata: side note: bitswap.io is for sale :p
mircea_popescu: the more interesting tyhing is that BingoBoingo is practically becoming a field-trained paralegal.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'm already a university trained librarian. The rest is just getting a vague idea of what the law shit means
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00064929 = 2.4998 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Well, the university training wasn't much other than social justice derping as a minority.
BingoBoingo: Because when they are in the majority the social justic derps oppress, just less competently
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.0006518 = 10.7391 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo may have called out fellow students for hating on the Football team, by suggested they we hating the way those young men expressed their gender...
BingoBoingo also might have suggested the derps were racist for hating the football team because it is one of the most prominent means by which young african americans can achieve upwards social mobility
mats: yeah, and joining the military.
mats: your chances of killing yourself are roughly half!
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BingoBoingo: I know football presents a greater chance of disability for much more imaginary future money
mats: yeah, what is it, like two in three NFL players end up broke after leaving the league?
mats: > Sports Illustrated estimated in 2009 that 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within two years of ending their playing careers and that 60percent of NBA players are broke within five years of retiring from the game.
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BingoBoingo: Yeah, they get that access to so much money so fast
undata: probably not a profession that selects for intelligence to begin with, and it runs a high risk of frontal lobe injury
ben_vulpes: and who said slavery and gladiation was dead!?
BingoBoingo: undata: Well, pretty much any impact related brain injury is possible. Because helmets make people Invincible! Who cares about physics.
undata: BingoBoingo: heh, they even use that animation of the two helmets colliding
BingoBoingo: Even though the players aren't allowed to do that anymore because it is "Targeting" and justifies suspending the SEC sacks leader mid game so Alabama won't have to suffer the possibility of a close game.
mats: the NFL should just get rid of helmets.
BingoBoingo: Prolly, or go back to the doofy leather things
undata: I need a word for this. It's such a common Americanism.
undata: football *certainly isn't* about watching idiots injure each other
undata: like child beauty pagents *certainly aren't* weird quasi-child-porn
undata: ah Orwell already treated it as "war is peace"
undata: BingoBoingo: mats: or just accept that what we're doing is watching people fuck each other up
undata: at least the UFC has very little pretense about that
mats: meh. i don't watch sports on television.
BingoBoingo: The UFC sucks because the matchups aren't competative.
mats: things i do watch: Homeland, The Newsroom, New Girl, Sons of Anarchy, Psycho Pass
mats: if you enjoyed Ghost in the Shell, you'll probably like Psycho Pass.
mats: i lost the battle in giving up TV. i haven't picked up anything new though, so thats a win, i guess
undata: mats: the newsroom is a good show
mats: the last episode was terrible. they should've avoided all commentary about feminazis in the media
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mats: they do alright, generally, but chicks i talk to about it aren't happy with how women are portrayed in the show
mats: their characters are shallow, and apparently don't pass the Bechdel test.
mats: ;;google Bechdel test
undata: the various romance subplots are insufferable
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ben_vulpes: what i really want is to listen to strong female characters talking about...what to strong female characters talk about?
mats: whatever the dudes talk about, i suppose.
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mats: what a useless and expensive weapon
mircea_popescu: jesus the fruits in this country, i can't get over it.
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