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mircea_popescu: "You'll find the core developers are detached and very different to their users. As a developer of software myself I would find it disheartening if the bulk of my users were jerks like /r/bitcoin."
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Honestly at this point I just don't see many "Bitcoin Developers" actually being very attached to Bitcoin. The "Gavin wants to quit, but doesn't want to say so" hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: the "satoshi costume" is just a start, he'll wear a dead deer if it comes to it.
BingoBoingo: No shortage of those around here. Can't go for a drive of anylength without spotting venison on the roadside.
BingoBoingo: Sure. I mean the fresh one's are probably safe, but possessing one without a tag for it... Probably safer to drive around with a trunk full of cocaine.
BingoBoingo: "Conservation Police" here get to do warrantless searches.
BingoBoingo: yeah. Conservation police find the cocaine... fruit of the poisonous tree, though probably still having problems.
BingoBoingo: Not for life, but problems. The require for deer the same tag per deer required for hunting them.
BingoBoingo: Only so many roads with enought traffic for reliable roadkill. The 5-0 has to take the roads too. The time it takes to drag the deer into a safe tarp and wad it up so the car's interior doesn't look like the scene of a homicide...
mircea_popescu: no dude, not like that. for all the "knife subctulture" or we it is, people spending more money and time with knives than they're worth...
mircea_popescu: just keep camping gear in the back, skin and cook the thing on the spot.
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BingoBoingo: I'm considering this problem in terms of where the deer are is, is on the side of the "main regional thoroughfare" normally. Because undeveloped colony.
BingoBoingo: Two lane road steady flow of cars. most hours
mircea_popescu: incidentally, am i the only one that finds it just a little amusing that torproject.org actively promotes the use of pdfs to encapsulate information that otherwise should be in a textfile or simple post ?
BingoBoingo: ie. on one end of the "highway" is the seat of county X, on the other end the seat of county Y
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You'd probably be the only one in some other channel.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so basically not practical to just pull off road or what ?
BingoBoingo: You jsut don't have a great window ever to do it quietly under cover.
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cazalla: i'm here, what's up thestringpuller
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BingoBoingo: I think it is actually whatever derp runs Salon's twitter Saturday nights
mircea_popescu: i suppose im the only one bothered by the ebonics coming out of salondotcom ?
mircea_popescu: or is the us so poor these days that a plurality of shirts is verbally inconceivable ?
BingoBoingo: I think it's the hint of ebonics coming to dominate the USian pidgin
mircea_popescu: just like they decided a decade ago to randomly use she instead of the canonical pronoun,
mircea_popescu: now they're going to randomly put is instead of are and so forth ?
mircea_popescu: dun wanna be too cultumancated, lest anyone can tell the orcs apart from the elves ?
BingoBoingo: I don't see much other in the way of explanations unless the literate are embargoing them.
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mircea_popescu: "Gavin Andresen's salary as the full time lead developer of the entire bitcoin protocol is $209k a year."
mircea_popescu: if there ever was proof positive that crime doesn't pay, gavin's income is it.
mircea_popescu: he could probably make more begging where he lives, and being a professional beggar would actually be much more respectable and honorable than being bitcoin's 5th column.
BingoBoingo: At that income level Gavin's basically in the trap doctors find themsevles when they realize they hate draining abcesses, but their only other prospect is long haul trucking.
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PeterL: mircea_popescu: fixed the blog site
mircea_popescu: PeterL so what about scoopbot uptime ? what keeps taking it down ?
PeterL: well, it was not set up to reconnect if it lost the connection
PeterL: I have been working on adding threading to monitor the connection
PeterL: but I have never done anything quite like this, so I am learning as I go
PeterL: I am still not sure why it is dying
mircea_popescu: until myserver; do echo "Server 'myserver' crashed with exit code $?. Respawning.." >&2 sleep 1 done ?
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mircea_popescu: speaking of which : another thing systemv does badly : it tries to restart stuff based on pidfiles.
undata: what are the irc bots around these parts based upon?
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undata: that thing's pretty good, used in another channel
mircea_popescu: there was also a ruby one but i dont recall right off what.
undata: mircea_popescu: yeah, the core is written in go, then services in whathaveyou
undata: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing that.
decimation: if gavin is a pauper than I'm in the poor house
BingoBoingo: decimation: No, they feed, clothe, and work you at the poor house. Also curfews and such.
decimation: I wonder how many commits he has to make per week to keep his salary
decimation: can he take a few months off like ascii dreams?
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decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can get a job at the 'bitcoin foundation' for $209k
decimation: asciilifeform: actually many cops make near $200k with overtime
decimation: if you watch 'the wire' one would believe that a possible option would be to sit in your car on the highway and get drunk
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah if it is a memory stop it is probably hardware specific
decimation: ben_vulpes: what platform are you working on?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: i don't think anyone here has trouble getting money by working. << I was not able to secure seasonal retail work again this year. I suspect I'm already on a list to "have problems"
undata: bah, sling php, get dollars
undata: better than folding shirts
decimation: I had a lawyer friend who used to be a prosecutor near asciilifeform. He was told not to frequent the local fast food joints because of the poulation of ex-convicts
BingoBoingo: I think I've mentioned here before that after grad school I worked at McDonalds for ~6 weeks to break local kids spirits.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd love to confirm that for you
decimation: right, and in a related point - if $209k per year makes one a pauper, how much is the real bitcoin foundation going to pay?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Too neurologically interesting to enlist.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << I believe for the rest #b-a is Frankenstein's attic laboratory
decimation: asciilifeform: me too. if cards are played right, most mil can write their own tickets in contract jobs
decimation: also military benefits are incredibly generous considering the level of education of most enlisted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My brain caught fire a bit too early. When medical records came up post ASVAB offers of pick your field turned into, "trust us, we'll find a nice place for you"
BingoBoingo: In agriculture department academics never starve.
decimation: I think the last of those were phased out in the 60's
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Post asvab pre-medical write up offers involved language school or medical/technical fields, after when "trust us" I began suspecting "cooks assistant" and latrine crew
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I probably would have signed for those. But... shift in tenor came when time to draft actual contract.
decimation: BingoBoingo: did they make you take the mmpi?
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BingoBoingo: decimation: I don't remember that one specifically, but... pretty sure bring a folder of medical records is a part of what did in my chances for interesting stuff. Amazing what a trip to the wrong part of the hospital can do for your prospects
undata: BingoBoingo: do the wrong drugs as a kid?
undata: BingoBoingo: not an insult; I've heard horror stories of kids tripping, getting hauled into the psych ward
BingoBoingo: undata: Nah. Some people's brains don't self regulate well. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it was West Nile.
BingoBoingo: I got my school bezzel so probably actually netted more value in the end.
undata: when I was younger a doctor put me on an antipsychotic for a bit due to "depression"
undata: a second doctor bothered with blood work and I was merely low on a few vitamins
undata: american medicine is a scam
decimation: asciilifeform: you would like to be more like maxwell?
BingoBoingo: I'm not a big fan of antipsychotics, make me feel like Micheal J Fox. Anticonvulsants though, particularly lamotrigine... do my brain well
undata: BingoBoingo: yeah, if things like diet and exercise don't help, there are always actual neurological issues to consider
decimation: yeah. actually the first one that came to my mind was Don Colacho
undata: hard to trust diagnoses with a pfizer clock on the wall
BingoBoingo: undata: Well, I tend towards generics. Recently though ETOH has been the anticonvulsant of choice.
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undata: asciilifeform: hm, hasn't been my experience
undata: ah, that I agree with, but that's part of the beauty
undata: maybe not for everyone for the same reason
decimation: asciilifeform: I thought mr. robbins quit and started his own gentoo fork?
BingoBoingo: Ah, funtoo, the bring your own kernel adventure
decimation:
http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ << "Part of the distinctiveness of Funtoo Linux is its dependency-based OpenRC init system, so changing this would make it something other than Funtoo Linux. So we do not support systemd as part of Funtoo Linux. "
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undata: I can attest to gentoo granting you the right to blow your hand off at every step
undata: but also to a well-tuned gentoo install feeling a lot like a well-tuned emacs
undata: "ah, this is precisely what I wanted"
decimation: asciilifeform: you mean the move from x11 to xorg?
decimation: running gentoo certainly gives you a motvation to scale down the lines of code in your system
decimation: I remember running with KDE 10 years ago and dreading the 24 hour compiles
decimation: kde used to not be a steaming turdpile
BingoBoingo remeber running it of FreeBSD at work in 2004
undata: with a relatively modern machine the compile time isn't so bad
decimation: but instead of being the 'adult' alternative to gnome, kde surrendered to idiocy
undata: and you get to make decisions like turning on stack protector and whatnot
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, the KDE problem is they went from desktop environment to software development club in the bad way
decimation: yeah. I remember using slackware 3 on my old 486, and barely getting X to run - and also wondering what its point would be
decimation: asciilifeform: you mean making aggressive compiler optimizations?
decimation: yeah. I was able to get plenty to run back in in the mid 90's
decimation: asciilifeform: did you have 'compuserve' back in the day?
undata: decimation: ah I had that
undata: I vaguely remember gopher sites as a young kid
BingoBoingo remember AOL for the copious coaster they mailed
decimation: yeah there were free forums as I recal
devthedev: I wasn't even alive during the days of CompuServe
decimation: BingoBoingo: I had a friend who would call aol every day for a new 'demo floppy'
BingoBoingo: Oh, we never got their attention until the CD era
decimation: back in my youth I actually ran a tcp/ip node on an 8086
BingoBoingo: Though CD's make for poor coasters in practice
decimation: it was connected to a radio modem and managed to pass tcp to other ham radio operators
BingoBoingo: They distribute moisture too evenly over the surface so that it manages to still contact the tabletop
decimation: I bet you could still run 'lynx' on a 486
decimation: the question is - what have we 'bought' for all this bloatware?
BingoBoingo: This is reminiscent of how Mac OS 9 is less viable on the Internet than OS 7.5.1
decimation: I recall using netscape 1.0 and the user experience was pretty much the same as firefox 30
decimation: asciilifeform: I use elinks occasionally
decimation: right, no javascript, just html and pictures
BingoBoingo: The problem with Mac OS 8 and later is that it tempts with the fatally broken.
decimation: BingoBoingo: my experience with macs pre OSX were all macos 8 and 9 - and they both sucked ass
decimation: at least with the shitware I was running, they would regularly crash
decimation: one wonders what would have happened if apple actually went down the lisp machine route
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: While 8 could be forced onto Pre-RISC macs, the result is, and I emphasize IS, never pretty.
decimation: I remember having to program a 68k variant microcontroller in school, wasn't too bad
BingoBoingo: It was on the Ti-89 I had and the computer I acquired in the same window of time. My affinity is probably mostly through familiarity
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I consider it the privledge of being neurologically deviant
BingoBoingo: The cost of waking up occasionally with a bout of exploding head is an acceptable cost.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not "painful" as in pain pain. More like having a strong electrical current between your temple and ear while your legs cramp in a way that might need ice in the morning. More discomfort than pain proper.
BingoBoingo: Eh, you get used to it. After about the 5th time when you get rather sure you aren't dying it's not hard to just go back the fuck to sleep by waiting it out.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 01:35:27; asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.'
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> unfortunately BingoBoingo may be the only man alive who can see this similarity << So the most superficial similarity is the media narrative. A&M is perenial legit title contender while MIZ accidentallied the SEC east championship last year and accidentally is in the lead to win it again this year.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo?
decimation: well, the bigger point - do we really think his 'foundation' is going to last that long anyway?
decimation: so while he might be able to skate for a few years, later he's a pauper in retirement living on government cheese
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So there's a media narrative when team A is having a horrible year that supposed they were good enough to win if only the competition wasn't so strong. But the narrative for Team B is that they are so miserable and wouldn't be winning if only their competition wasn't so weak. And then teams A and B finally meet and in the game B actually maintains a position of superiority.
decimation: at any rate, I get you point, but you realize that the number of folks who are 'free' by your definition are probably less than a few thousand in the us
BingoBoingo: And in the course of writing that Mizzou leads Texas Ass&Mouth 34-20 now because they scored another touchdown.
decimation: certainly the inflationary currency, the confiscatory taxation, and the expense of home and bread combine to make this lifestyle nearly impossible in the us
decimation: a portion of them are doing exactly that every year
assbot: My finger should have been amputated from the beginning. It was very loose with no bone to connect it.it was also smelling really bad.
BingoBoingo: And twitter censored the picture of the actual necrotic finger
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decimation: apparently the detail there is that all of the 'evidence' was collected by undercover cops
decimation: so basically they are going to try to convict this guy for training people pretending to be people who take usg's pseudoscience seriously
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He was the sportsman in the 1990's shot his finger off a few weeks ago. Reattached. "Modern Medicine" has problems.
decimation: "ONE THING YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE THING I MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE, THAT ANA PASSED OUR POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION 1994 THAT DID NOT DETER ME OR FBI FROM PURSUING THIS. WE KNEW SHE PASSED THAT EXAM, SO WHAT?"
decimation: "WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGING HER FROM TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE QUOTE FRANKLY I WAS AFRAID THAT SHE WOULD PASS IT AGAIN. THAT WOULD NOT HELP ME OUT OF IT. "
decimation: so an actual usg spycatcher actually caught found that the polygraph actually hindered his investigation
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be more honest if usg made its agents walk on coals and swear secret loyalty to the civil service - it would be much more honest and straighforward
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 17:35:40; asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
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decimation: apparently usg agents are zealously evangelizing their 'secret' polygraph faith around the world
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decimation: lol that would be amusing as a party trick
decimation: asciilifeform: you could probably get grant money from usg if you were a scamademic
decimation: yeah that's all 'mil-spec' hardware, with the 'round' connectors
decimation: you should have bought it for the rotary switches
decimation: yeah only someone attending to 'serious business' would have a setup like that
decimation: imagine the mind of the 'interviewee': surely usg wouldn't spend bezzlars on those fine knobs if this wasn't serious business
decimation: do you have a favorite 'junk dealer' in the dc area?
decimation: I know that there are many scavengers who survive on reselling usg surplus
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decimation: asciilifeform: I think it depends if there was anything 'secret' on the drive - in that case it probably must be destroyed
decimation: but for that reason most contractors are reluctant to 'donate' their hardware in such a way
mircea_popescu: but i mean... rendered unusalbe as in you can't get a terminal on your monitor
mircea_popescu: not as in, well the hdd's wiped and the bios randomly rewired
decimation: the pile of chairs gets mighty fragile
undata: set proper VIDEO_CARDS, emerge -avuDN @world, config kernel, reboot
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose the "so ssh then" only works for people who youi knw, actually own multiple computers
undata: I don't do any more work administrating mine than debian.
mircea_popescu: problem is, yoyu get them on ubuntu, next you know they think it's windows and update
decimation: purists avoid 'vga' console for serial term
decimation: no I mean no video card, serial tty only
decimation: the vga console code on linux still sucks after all these years
decimation: many folks trying to get low latency ditch it
undata: asciilifeform: I'm surprised you don't like gentoo, given you tend to advocate actually knowing what your computer's doing, and why
undata: asciilifeform: ah! then you have every right to hate it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: as in, physically go places and do things << dunkin donuts ?
decimation: I might try 'funtoo' if he is serious about no systemd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: but at one point exhausted ram, but blockchain remained wedged upon restart <<< speaking of this, there's an option to close with detached bdb
mircea_popescu: this is useful if you keep stopping every x blocks, backuping bdb files
decimation: mircea_popescu: you mean running bdb as a separate process?
mircea_popescu: no no, bitcoin itself can close in such a way so as to not leave its own state crud crudely saved
mircea_popescu: this would seem to sane minds the only way to close, but then it "took too long", so...
decimation: which would help differentiate between 'wedged bitcoind state' and 'wedged bdb state'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not exactly believe b-a is intended for the workaday people. << do elaborate. should all of us but you & kako pack up? or some other thing implied << well, i know you self-motivate by refusing to see some degrees, but there are some degrees.
cazalla: this fkn conference i'm streaming.. "cold storage is out dated, it's about multisig now".. where do you see bitcoin in 20 years time? "something like email where you can instantly send value over the internet"
mircea_popescu: consider the case of the various chicks that came to show their tits for .1 btc
mircea_popescu: one explanation, that persuades me, it's because they dun have the time to. because they gotta work.
mircea_popescu: well, the .1 ain't, in my mind, the actual larger half.
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mircea_popescu: put it another way : if i didn't think the .1 is the smaller half, i wouldn't be giving it out in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so, degrees. for most chicks, the cheese dispensed by the cheese dispenser is all there is.
mircea_popescu: for some chicks, the fact that how the shot does a cheese dispenser work ?! is a more pressing question.
undata: this is such a strangely wonderful place
mircea_popescu: so there are degrees. yes, everyone in the bezzle is in the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: some guys work three jobs to try and get the kid in school where he can work in a sv startup. this is a degree of improvement.
mircea_popescu: then maybe one day the kid gets to the point where he even has the freedom to consider wtf he's doing. further degree.
undata fist bumps with ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: to restate : if you rent's due and you're short you should not be here chatting, you should be putting out that fire.
mircea_popescu: im sure the various "give us 1 btc or else !!1" kids were in exactly this position.
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mircea_popescu: and since you mentioned moiety, from what i understood that was exactly her position.
mircea_popescu: i tried to onlinehire her but for some reason she lacked the drive or w/e.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is, the internet (and esp my stuff) is very self-directed
mircea_popescu: many people are used to micromanagement, under relentless pressure from a pointless class that wants to justify its existence
mircea_popescu: even today i have plenty of handcrankled tasks for the aspiring slavegirl. never a shortage of that. what's of shortage is teh ppl to disciplinedly work, erry day, hour after hour.
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mircea_popescu: decimation sure, great. no complaints may then be entertained about needing stuff tho.
undata: decimation: having been convinced that the walls of my country are going to fall in, I've got all the motivation I need
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what : teenager is used to seeing girls in his class dressed, imagines he'd ben efit from the removal of the clothes.
undata: I think plenty more subconsciously know the same, and are hiding in distractions
mircea_popescu: should that actually happen, teenager would run and hide in a corner.
decimation: asciilifeform: for myself, I find working with an engage colleague to be much more motivating than a boss yelling
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious what comes of the ben_vulpes - mod6 pairing in this vein.
undata: asciilifeform: hey man, I shoveled actual cow shit as a summer gig long ago
decimation: yeah, in the old west where trees were lacking, cow shit was firewood
undata: amazing how you lose sense of the smell
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undata: cows being holy or somesuch?
undata: I can firmly attest they are not
undata: asciilifeform: humans will imitate goddamn anything
cazalla: mircea_popescu, this job actually coincides with the fraud i reported on weeks ago to which they never responded, i'm writing it up
mircea_popescu: why. because nothing is as scary as cunt, that's why. try it sometime.
mircea_popescu: why do you think you take the bitch to the dog, not vice-versa ? males are shy.
cazalla: you take the doe to the buck too!
cazalla: sometimes to doe mounts the buck
undata: that even sounds like a soviet labor camp
cazalla: asciilifeform, i wish, just rabbits but i'm sure you know this
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undata: asciilifeform: mining uranium without gear, no less. brutal.
cazalla: asciilifeform, you DO know i raise rabbits right? *here comes cazalla and his rabbits talk again*
decimation is dreaming of building a colacho-bot which attempts to provide the appropriate aphorism for the conversational mood
cazalla: i wanted to make snow camo but who has the time
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i know of no setup where it is possible to set up even a very decent 486 in such a way that it can be used for serious work today. <<< sarge ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and that's more or less it. << notice that bitbet, mpex, trilema, qntra, logs etc all work on lynx.
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: do you think gavin works 40 hours per week on the git repo? << do you suppose captive whore in thai illegal brothel works 40 hours per week ?
mircea_popescu: what fucking difference does it make how many nominal hours teh slave works.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure you could, and still can, do this with deb 3.1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if it were to implode, the shills will be placed into similar roles elsewhere <<< pretty miuch this.
mircea_popescu: and which is why as BingoBoingo pointed out earlier, when touched there they react. (the tor people in that case)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, but until being "invented" here that really never existed.
mircea_popescu: the idea that what you do wil come back to haunt you is very much mpoe[-pr], as far as the bitcoin, and generally the "entrepreneurial" spaces are concerned.
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mircea_popescu: swanson's "that's not how normal debates work" is just an echo of that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well that's why the quotes. obviously it's an ancient idea, and no invention whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: but this doesn't change the fact that nobody did it, nor does it change the fact that i'm principally hated for that reason, my agents have been principally hated for that reason
mircea_popescu: and this chan is called a cult, or anything else bad!111 for that reason.
mircea_popescu: cause nothing is so fucking evil as you know, someone digging up on trilema, coming up with meni rosenfeld's name, now the scumwipe can't go around pretending like you know
mircea_popescu: "hje's been in bitcoin". "o, but doing what ?" "nevermind that!!!"
mircea_popescu: most of them didn't realise this attribution doohickey even exists.
mircea_popescu: to this day, and shockingly, i write about church ? ppl are "oh, you're jealous"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even manage to pierce the dielectric between their ears that no, im jus saving it for later.
mircea_popescu: for a while i used to say it (back when i was dealing with romanians). it did... exactly zero difference.
cazalla: hate to say it but.. qntra? ddos?
mircea_popescu: and it's vastly pervasive. average us politician will not understand that his voting record is a matter of... record!
undata: cazalla: looks down here
joecool: it's been up and down for past day
joecool: asciilifeform: what's up with google's archive?
mircea_popescu: coburn actually has to TELL people, that attribution is a thing.
mircea_popescu: and they're like, you know, a buncha barbarians confronting microorganisms.
mircea_popescu: "if you don't wash your hands you get dysentery" "really ? .... hmm.... maybe, but i tihnk it's the will of god... i have my amulets with me..."
undata: mircea_popescu: I can't pull up trilema here either
joecool: asciilifeform: seems to work for me?
joecool: i just went to groups.google.com and ran a search and it popped up a few usenet newsgroups and some results mostly from usenet
joecool: are you talking about the dejanews archive?
mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't care anymore about this primitive tribe than about any other primitive tribe that was swallowed b y history.
mircea_popescu: civilisations are judged by what remains, not by what they once were.
decimation: re: gavin's 40 hr week << I was merely pointing out that if ascii's formula is (freedom hrs)/(work hrs), then gavin might have a good score
decimation: his 'free hours' are an illusion, agreed
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and the destroyers - will pay. one day. << aite!
decimation: I note that our volunteer testers seem to have left whatever routing tables they were messing with alone
decimation: I wrote too soon, qntra and trilema are both down for me now right now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: possibly even fewer. <<< he likes a short thing lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is a standard usg 'lie detector.' << the funny thing is, i dunno if the scientologists copied the ohmmeter after the usg "lie detector", or vice-versa, the fbi is tring to find yout tethans
decimation: mircea_popescu: maybe if they are short polygraphers usg asks some local scientologists to sub in
joecool: asciilifeform: heh yeah i ran some other searches I knew worked before (like linus's first linux announcement on comp.os.minix), it's gone
decimation: to be fair, there is some science in the sense that it detects parasympathetic activation
decimation: but the problem is this has nothing to do with truthsaying
decimation: as asciilifeform mentioned in the past the operative effect is to filter for 'cold' psychopaths
decimation: or at least very meek and compliant folks
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just surprised nobody else wrote about it, i doubt they get huge volume searching for things, but still, nothing mentioned about it
mircea_popescu: joecool this is my broader point. a stupid language deserves its own stupidity.
decimation: there is probably some amusement to be had in experimenting with such things
decimation: from the senior usg 'stendartendfurher's
decimation: from the senior usg Standartenführer's point of view, the polygraph is an ideal device to filter the workforce into compliant sheep and stone cold thugs
mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: "After being alerted by The Ryersonian, computer science chair, Alireza Sadeghian said the department neither accepts nor condones Kokkarinen’s views."
mircea_popescu: wait. how does a computing dept accept or not accept views in other fields ?
mircea_popescu: like... does the geography department accept grammar ?
mircea_popescu: Clearly, Professor Kokkarinen was naive to use his own name when he switched his blog from Finnish to English <<< mp considers just how great his power is.
nacci: just another bloke
decimation: mircea_popescu: to be fair, you didn't have a tenured position in a nato colony
mircea_popescu: but... wait. i make more than whatever tenured prof makes.
decimation: heh yeah that's why he needs to be here
mircea_popescu: and i dare think if he had a tenured position this would have been a non issue
decimation: well that's a good point, he probably didn't
mircea_popescu: since that's what tenure is. "o you don't like me ? fuck you and get lost."
decimation: tenure exists if you are willing to push the multicult
nacci: nepotism trumps tenure
mircea_popescu: decimation for the record, as one coming from an actually multicultural world, i am both offended at the misuse of the term and would pray you don't discard an actually superior mode of human life
mircea_popescu: just because some fucktarded barbarians in a colony think that cowboys in sheets = latins.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell you, if i was the provost i wouldn't have made the offer.
mircea_popescu: this is like, russian orthodox church vs tsarate already.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. the freedom you like is built on a certain kind of disinterest in effects.
mircea_popescu: nothing easier in the world than "fuck you and get lost."
mircea_popescu: so now... tell me. did it matter how fucking pretty the women were ?
mircea_popescu: whether young or old ? slutty or annyoing ? big tits or small ? pert or loose ?
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances, listening to the women is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: caring has its place. that place is not "everywhere all the time"
mircea_popescu: and the folk that muck a hand the moment it can't win don't tend to end up in the bottom half of the poker tourney either.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bitcoind stop detatch?
ben_vulpes: i'm digging, but hints would be lovely
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ben_vulpes: cloudflare now preventing me from getting at en.bitcoin.it
ben_vulpes: watch it come back without any reference to detachdb...
ben_vulpes: is there an en.bitcoin.it mirror anywhere?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo others : ok, i *think* the bad routing thing may be fixed.
mircea_popescu: pls to let me know furiously if more further problems later on.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, working again here
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : "Explanation of -detachdb (and the new “stop true” RPC command): The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differ
mircea_popescu: ences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending changes from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever considered releasing asylum as a pay-per-dl?
assbot: I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: if the author endorsed approach is to copy the damn thing off his website...
mircea_popescu: anyway, your pay-per-dl comes to like 2k satoshi if you do it in one go, or else free if you take what was it, 5 weeks.
RagnarDanneskjol: its actually being circulated among some hollyweird people at present fyi
ben_vulpes: i'm actually thinking about bitcoin databases so nothing w/r/t asylum
ben_vulpes: honestly i'd just rather have it on my kindle than flip through whatever's in the mail
ben_vulpes: "versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." << explains hilariously slow shutdowns
ben_vulpes: in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000
ben_vulpes: i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it
ben_vulpes: mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code
mircea_popescu: "The only thing women clearly do better without men is raise the next generation of criminals."
mircea_popescu: i remember the times i could say an article in five pages
mircea_popescu: if you take the 94 million kulaks, capitalists, dissidents and other groups of people that socialists murdered in the twentieth century, and punch the numbers into a calculator, the average number of victims per hour equals almost exactly the one-hour kill count of Anders Breivik. Just imagine how absurd it would be if, instead of being captured and neutralized, Anders were simply allowed to keep killing people day and
mircea_popescu: night until the twenty-second century dawns. And yet such an absurdity practically defined the twentieth century.
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ben_vulpes: have 0.5.3 blockchains at 240001; interested researchers may request links.
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fluffypony: flying to LA tomorrow, sleep over one night, then back to SA on Monday via Dubai
fluffypony: Vegas was fun, saw the Blue Man Group for the first time and they were awesome
fluffypony: also the production quality on La Rêve was insane
BingoBoingo: Vegas, where entertainers never really die... until they... actually die
BingoBoingo: Well, their choices are what? Vegas or Branson?
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cazalla: you think bitcoin makes you an outsider, you have nfi
cazalla: anyway, that is not joho propaganda punkman
punkman: what'd you expect from CNN
punkman: cazalla: did you ever do the door-to-door thing?
cazalla: punkman, yeah countless times plus fkn wednesday night book study, sunday talks and worse, assemblies
punkman: pretty rare around here, but I've seen the odd flyer
cazalla: rare here as well, when i was around, my parents each lost a brother within 6 months so that opened the door for the jws to get their hooks in with the paradise earth bullshit
cazalla: you know what kicked off us leaving? doom and rise of the triad
cazalla: once i hit my teens and refused to go and was willing to take a beating if it meant i could play doom, domino effect kicked in and family stopped going
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bitbethelp: interesting way assbot is using to cloak its ip
gribble: thedrinkingrecord.com is down
cazalla: bitbethelp, you misrepresented yourself to me
bitbethelp: cazalla, correct! this is what /b/tards would call "social engineering"
cazalla: to what end? you didn't gain anything
punkman: bitbethelp: are you also the guy that claimed to have a bitbet hack a while back?
bitbethelp: cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed.
cazalla: bitbethelp, well, you're 0 for what must be 1000+ attempts to get paid at this point
bitbethelp: say one line and you can mislead people on your intent
bitbethelp: here's a tip: people who want to get paid send along an address, like that dd4bc tard
punkman: guess the lulz are payment enough
bitbethelp: so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction?
cazalla: bitbethelp, having a beer, cunt!
bitbethelp: when operating a website you need to consider advanced persistent threats, such as yours truly
cazalla: bitbethelp, you give me the excuse i need to drink so have at it
BingoBoingo: Qntra really doesn't look down at all from here
cazalla: you're not a threat, you're are like the buzzing of flies
cazalla: you best find other targets bitbethelp
punkman: mpex is a much better target
bitbethelp: punkman, why so, it's used by 10 people tops
cazalla: why would anyone pay you to stop then bitbethelp ?
bitbethelp: cazalla, why do you still have this assumption i'm trying to extort you into paying me?
cazalla: than why are you doing this?
cazalla: see what you made me do bitbethelp, you made me drink all this beer
bitbethelp: maybe you could pay me to find out, lel
cazalla: mircea_popescu, didn't mean i had to believe it
mircea_popescu: bitbethelp> cazalla, nor did I lose anything. it's not about the attempts where you don't get anything, but the attempts you succeed. << what is this fucktardry, srsly.
bitbethelp: every successful attack takes lots of attempts, some fruitless
mircea_popescu: punkbot lol mating. apparently, every successful writing takes lots of attempts, some of which are... muitless.
assbot: manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jurov: ;;isup trilema.com
mircea_popescu: i always wondered what % of "operations" end when group #1 doing "undercover work" catches group #2.
BingoBoingo: I have to assume that's most of what they do now.
jurov: bitbethelp accused me of inadequate politeness cuz i did not respond timely to pm and in one breath promised coinbr is next after qntra
decimation: those 'blasze.tk' links he put in the logs are ip loggers, probably trying to find more targets
mats_cd03: i wonder if kako has a proxy for assbot
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jurov: bitbethelp promised to drain my aws budget.. cleaarly these ddosing redditards did not do the math
assbot: manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed
manamex: let's be it, why would anyone would want to do it, what is the point?
manamex: never mind, not that it matters
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.
ben_vulpes: if as you suspect it has to do with the cooccurrence of running out of memory and writing to bdb, i'll have to let it run for a while
xanthyos: 3 days after buying coinbase bitcoins the progress bar is at the halfway mark
xanthyos: they deliberately slow themselves down to handicap daytraders
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:38:56; mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications."
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kakobrekla: asciilifeform do you find arm less evil for being risc?
kakobrekla: what, does 'cisc' sticker on the box make it sell faster?
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
jurov: since pentium it is cisc with risc internals
assbot: Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds.
jurov: i heard it has denser code(closer to c) and thus better cache effectivity
jurov: probably efficiency measured in lines of c executed
jurov: i once read a piece on what everything is expected of today's text input field - clipboard handling, mouse selection, bidi input, undo/redo, font redering,...
jurov: if these requirememnts can be solved without heaping code
jurov: it has bidirectional input?
jurov: adn subpixel hiting?
jurov: that hangs on presumption that list somehow magically prevents parallel standards/reimplementations
jurov: so that no X11-like explosion of toolkits would occur
jurov: okay i did not mean lisp as such, but the architecture as a whole
jurov: um. i'm not convinced that ever worked
jurov: i have seen it when you linked it recently
assbot: Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines.
assbot: Actual Bitcoin corporations (ABCs) versus fiat-based frauds trying to masquerade as Bitcoin companies (while masquerading as companies in the first place) on the solid theory that the general public is too stupid to make any difference, this one included, and on the flimsy theory that the general public matters in Bitcoin (FBF-TTMABC-WMACITFP-OTSTTTGPITSTMAD-TOI-AOTFTTTGPMIBs, alphabets for short). pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Shtetl-Optimized » Blog Archive » What does the NSA think of academic cryptographers? Recently-declassified document provides clues
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
chetty: Hellman caught them with their pants down didn't he?
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
thomas_d: Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server?
thomas_d: I just did it about 30 seconds ago
thomas_d: ;;eregister thomas_d BBE4FD4CC1083523
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
xanthyos: thomas_d: do it in PM so it doesn't congest the chat
xanthyos: bagels7 had the same error i think
thomas_d: I should introduce myself anyway my name is thomas dick I'm a noob
Apocalyptic: <thomas_d> Do you usually need to wait a little while after exporting cert to server? // yes you do
assbot: The Risks Digest Volume 12: Issue 63
thomas_d: are there any regulations/guidelines on the chatting here, or anything goes?
thomas_d: can't see anything in the topic
thomas_d: I'm in an entry-level IT position
mircea_popescu: well the general idea is to spend a while reading the logs
mircea_popescu: then this and such questions tend to answer themselves.
mircea_popescu: "Don Beaver (Penn State), in another era, would have been a spellbinding charismatic preacher; young, dashing (he still wears a pony-tail), self-confident and glib, he has captured from Silvio Micali the leadership of the philosophic wing of the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community."
mircea_popescu: here's a q for you asciilifeform : if i were the big bad and you were my officer in charge of fucking nerdcore up, and the strategy was, "inject a person whom on the basis of sheer animal magnetism can be used to steer things ways",
mircea_popescu: supposing you have a person printing machine, can make them up to spec.
mircea_popescu: well, the designated chumps, "the U.S. East Coast cryptanalytic community"
mircea_popescu: a nerdcore is roughly what "academia" is : adding words to specified idiocy to make it palatable. it's not a buncha derps, because CORE.
xanthyos: a person printing machine like from kafka's "in the penal colony"
mircea_popescu: the reason the remnant is so insistent on "real world" vs "trolls" perhaps follows a simple calculation
mircea_popescu: "we have a this which works and a that which sort-of works and is more expensive"
mircea_popescu: it is functionally impossible to make a release that works for *any* evnetual readers.
mircea_popescu: out of the 100k or so academics trudging for us-academia-wot, how many are likely to publish their research like i do, on trilema, just like that ?
mircea_popescu: so in short : people who make their living cutting beards are not likely to be seen cutting beards outside of the place where this pays.
mircea_popescu: a much better caption would be minsky with his eyes closed.
mircea_popescu: manamex: got worned by bitbethelp everyone on this channel gets dosed << lol we're speshul.
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assbot: thomas_d +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
xanthyos: ;;rate thomas_d 1 known on tinychat for a while. seals with clubs player.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thomas_d has been recorded.
thomas_d: ;;rate thomas_d 1 real stand-up guy
gribble: Error: You cannot rate yourself.
thomas_d: ;;rate xanthyos 1 good upbringing
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xanthyos has been recorded.
decimation: asciilifeform: much more lulzy in that cryptolog is the section on 'TQM'
decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming"
decimation: deming et. al. were kind of cult 'self-help' experts for managers
decimation: his theory (which is somewhat convoluted) is that us business was ruined in the post-wwII boom because traditional management (in the line-and-staff model) were being replaced by 'staff' instead of competent 'line'
decimation: really, it traces the general breakdown of social heirarchy expounded in the logs
decimation: in fact, there's a parallel between the 'cisc' vs. 'risc' efficiency argument you make (efficient at what?) and the demingites (we make your people more efficient - details unimportant!)
jurov: you're supposed to throw everything out after x months, didn't you get the memo?
undata: how much more "prepared for total war" can ukraine get?
undata: this ww3 cocktease is getting old
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, ssd's are a good example. and note that nearly all manufacturers neglect to make clear how they are driving their flash and what kind fo flash it is