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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel youtube decided to do some "upgrade" or other and as a result it no longer works. sorry.
BingoBoingo: Not yet. Now that I've got the right Crystal Space got to take the time to compile it. Still, Nvidia's CS toolkit doesn't exist on this platform so that should be fun to bang the head against until crystalspace 2.2 removes that dependency
mircea_popescu: i was using html5. which they never really supported because ads.
mircea_popescu: punkman does it actually do what it claims or does it merely claim stuff it does ?
mircea_popescu: so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? << maybe would just like to have it.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. << ahaha apt.
mircea_popescu: "from its own point of view, a bug always conquers all boots."
mircea_popescu: Not all capabilities of p0f can be showcased here, and as noted, this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints. That said, here's the most recent positive match p0f has for your IP:
mircea_popescu: *** Looks like p0f is down for maintenance, sorry. Check back later. ***
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punkman: asciilifeform: TLS stuff is in that HeavyThing library
punkman: mircea_popescu: looks credible, haven't tried it yet though
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me it looks perfectly not credible, but then again i'm a toxic asshole.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, "this is a magical brothel where the girls extend ectoplasm cunts and satisfactorily reach your very soul. wanna see it in action ? sure, here : ***not working atm***".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where they make wildly improbable claims (ex : purely passive traffic fingerprinting mechanisms to identify the players behind any incidental TCP/IP communications (often as little as a single normal SYN) without interfering in any way.) but then mishmashingly backtrack on it (this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints) and so on
punkman: mircea_popescu: oh I meant rwasa looks credible
mircea_popescu: i was describing the "especially in settings where NMap probes are blocked, too slow, unreliable" bs.
mircea_popescu: but if you did that for any period of time you'd know better than to make the sort of promises htey make.
mircea_popescu: ie, you could just as well NOT be able to identify anything
punkman: "For TCP/IP, the tool fingerprints the client-originating SYN packet and the first SYN+ACK response from the server, paying attention to factors such as the ordering of TCP options, the relation between maximum segment size and window size, the progression of TCP timestamps, and the state of about a dozen possible implementation quirks (e.g. non-zero values in "must be zero" fields)."
punkman: that looks interesting to me
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mircea_popescu: put the state in danger of not sucking the eucock eugerly enough ?
mircea_popescu: so funny this shit. these derps are still sitting on that referendum vote right ?
punkman: Tsipras had to "interpret" it because question made no sense
assbot: Greece rocked by reports of secret plan to raid banks for drachma return | World news | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1JJaNlU )
punkman: some flavor of provokatsiya
Adlai might be interested in making an emacs client
Adlai generally avoids gooey games
mircea_popescu: anyway, diana_coman has been doing some work on making a client api, might be useful stepping stone.
Adlai still busy elsewhere atm
mircea_popescu: afaik this would be the first ever case of a 3d mmorpg with a text client
mircea_popescu: considering vlc has had an ascii art rendering plugin for many years now, there's really no limit to how epic that client could end up
mircea_popescu: and jurov's working on an irc integration thingee, which i intend to upgrade to gossipd once that's done, and generally...
mats: does WoW count as a '3d mmorpg'? I've seen a few (unsanctioned) chat clients for it
mircea_popescu: mats chat client not really what this is tho. and besides, "unsanctioned"
mircea_popescu: curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't that technically put them in motion ?
mircea_popescu: or is this the side of the bureaucracy that's not a stickler for detail.
mircea_popescu: fucking children i swear. while there's hope to get the car, they absolutely need the car for continued existence and that school project.
assbot: This little kit has everything I need to run a full node. Ordered it on purse.io yesterday, got it today. Total $89.34 (saved 22%!) : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1S5Qwkh )
mircea_popescu: once the noncargetting is settle, the existence continues somehow, no longer dependant on the cargetting.
mircea_popescu: so the pogos are what, 95% saved, never will be on reddit ?
mircea_popescu: and there's no saving of the "pay more for shit" sort.
mircea_popescu: "here's my rusted usb cable i'm so happy to have saved on"
mircea_popescu: because they made them out of antimony like sane people, not out of low steel like crazy people.
mats: I vaguely remember someone mentioning experimenting with pogo and hybrid hard drive
mats: was that you, jurov, and if so how did that go
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jurov: mats: was just an idea, it never worked out price-wise. Same for using a small SSD designated as cache.
jurov: Perhaps if there was appropriately priced 8-32 GB SD card or USB dongle known to be fast nad not wear out quickly
jurov: winblows readyboost was supposed to use them in such capacity, dunno how that ended up
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assbot: Melbourne woman who fell pregnant to 12yo boy jailed for sexual abuse - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1gYS7HO )
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davout: BingoBoingo: pretty hilarious, maybe fake though, personally there's no way I'd fly an out-of-limits airplane
assbot: Qualcomm will lay off 15% of its workforce, succumbs to cult of ‘shareholder value’ | ExtremeTech ... (
http://bit.ly/1D5fTvL )
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 21:57:59; ben_vulpes: solrodar, asciilifeform:
http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand.
solrodar: although Chrome seems to have a minimum font size causing the labels to overflow the boxes when zoomed out too far
assbot: Issue 232332 - chromium - minium font-size is applied to SVG text (but it shouldn't) - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Google Project Hosting ... (
http://bit.ly/1fzzklv )
mircea_popescu: "You failed to recognise that your feelings for the boy were completely inappropriate," the judge said.
mircea_popescu: what exactly are these "inappropriate" feelings ? this'll have to be explained, conceptually, so far it's not unlike "colored scent" or something.
Naphex: One of the first questions in the xotika AMA: Please detail your association with the scammer Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: oh i see, it's us politico hour over there. "the transvestite ronald reagan and the scammer mircea popescu. hurrr"
Naphex: mircea_popescu: some dude on facebook was "I know the creator of this site Mircea Popescu" :))
mircea_popescu: the world will be a very lulzy place once the self-aware 500 lbs women in tech finally take over
mircea_popescu: Naphex i'm seriously contemplating this thing where you must prove you're under 30 bmi to be allowed to type text on the internet.
shinohai: wait ... xotika.tv is *your* project mircea_popescu ?
Naphex: shinohai: nah but there is this thing going about that every person on #bitcoin-assets is just MP :)
punkman: tried random bmi calculator, says 29.35. that's cutting it close
punkman: well I've always been a little heavyset, but yeah could definitely lose 10kg
shinohai: ;;later tell trinque Don't ruin my jester troll B
mircea_popescu: punkman anyway, the driver of that notion is this particular psychosis exhibited by fat-people-on-the-internet where they create an alt-reality in which they're not really fat.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it may well be the driver of all sorts of ultimately identical behaviours, such as redditards pretending they're not really pointless, etc.
punkman: "Talks over a third bail-out programme for Greece have been delayed because the country's international creditors have been unable to find secure premises in Athens. "
mircea_popescu: are they simply sending the whole content of greece to work at cutting rock in africa ? nah. are they just sending dump trucks of money over ? nah. so what are they doing then ? why, the 14 yo thing : they're being really snide about the whole thing for a while.
punkman: well clearly they should build Troika a palace
mircea_popescu: it's always refreshing to know a bunch of refugees from lord of the flies are in charge.
mircea_popescu: "hey, if you don't like it - mp would have sent you to cut rock for a generation1!11"
punkman: "Euro zone countries no longer question whether to restructure Greece's debt, but rather what would be the best way to do it, ECB Executive Board member Benoit Coeure said"
mircea_popescu: i'm curious what contortion of the definition of "best" allows for that best to not be "kicking them out of the eurozone"
shinohai: The Ethereum scammers are out in full force on r/cryptocurrency today....4
mircea_popescu: haha that thing still pretending ? how long has it been neobee'd, three months ?
mircea_popescu: this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i think i might have published the log at the time. mebbe coupla years ago, just when the site was getting started an' i invested
shinohai: ty kakobrekla you made my Monday
punkman: well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k
shinohai: Sharpies in butthole I have seen, but wooden spoon in snatch is new to me.
chetty: <punkman> well shit, they lowered travel allowance to 2k eur, down from 10k// soon you will not be allowed to have cash
mircea_popescu: punkman go to florina or something and drive over the border 20-30 times a day eh.
punkman: but yeah couple girls and a car might work
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solrodar: at this point I'm not sure if anyone actually wants it
solrodar: consensus was that nobody knew any fully-automated tools that produced decent layouts for graphs of this complexity
solrodar: I experimented with the other graphviz layout modes (force-directed etc.)
mircea_popescu: [Note: I am pushing this article live two days early because ZeroHedge somehow managed to get a hold of it and post it before I did. Needless to say, I don't like this at all.]
solrodar: they weren't immediately better, and they took like 20 times as long to run, so I didn't feel like trying to explore their parameters
mircea_popescu: this is a common (if not the most common) issue/complaint in the "professional" publication field.
mircea_popescu: ie, send three newspaper an "Article" to write about your product. send them the same one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg style is also consistent over long periods, so much so that it makes gavin read like reddit etc.
mircea_popescu: this would imply zerohedge is a sort of dry run for rt, which i guess is as decent a tinpot theory as any other.
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jurov: ;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 261.0, Best ask: 269.49, Bid-ask spread: 8.49000, Last trade: 269.5, 24 hour volume: 33.62904287, 24 hour low: 260.0, 24 hour high: 269.98999999, 24 hour vwap: 263.47327425
jurov: x.eur is so bullish :)
mircea_popescu: it's what makes me suspicious, really. it's not even that, it's more like 16 yo telling the pastor "i woke up and my virginity - gone."
mircea_popescu: that trhis'd be all you have to say on the topic is louder than the newly stretched vagina, really.
punkman: where is this zerohedge article anyway
shinohai: asciilifeform: buildroot-2015.02/board/pogo/pogo/linux.config <<< no such file or directory T_T
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assbot: oss-sec: Xen Security Advisory 138 (CVE-2015-5154) - QEMU heap overflow flaw while processing certain ATAPI commands. ... (
http://bit.ly/1MRRdqI )
ascii_field: ^ not to be confused with the fdd 'bug' from 2 mo ago
ascii_field: 'An HVM guest which has access to an emulated IDE CDROM device (e.g. with a device with "devtype=cdrom", or the "cdrom" convenience alias, in the VBD configuration) can exploit this vulnerability to take over the qemu process elevating its privilege to that of the qemu process. All Xen systems running x86 HVM guests without stubdomains which have been configured with an emulated CD-ROM driver model are vulnerable.'
ascii_field: 'Deployment of patches or mitigations is NOT permitted (except on
ascii_field: systems used and administered only by organisations which are members
ascii_field: of the Xen Project Security Issues Predisclosure List). Specifically,
ascii_field: deployment on public cloud systems is NOT permitted.' << embargo lulz
ascii_field: it means 'seekrit cabal gets fix prior to plebes'
ascii_field: recall, the fdd bug ~did not rely on using anything~
ascii_field: as for qemu (the base project), it is THE pc emulator
ascii_field: and ubiquitous in, e.g., malware analysis business
ascii_field: there is really no substitute for it ('bochs' is a similar, but even more decrepit, apparatus)
ascii_field: xen, on the other hand, is ubiquitous among 'cloud' turdmeisterdom
decimation: umm, I think qemu (and kvm) are the basis for nearly all 'cloud computers/
decimation: thus, nearly all 'public facing boxes' are actually these kinds of 'machines'
decimation: hopefully without emulated cd-roms apparently
decimation: he really doesn't do that, but he does have a graph which implies it
decimation: if anything, his subject is 'number of components per integrated circuit'
assbot: John Horton Conway: the world’s most charismatic mathematician | Siobhan Roberts | Science | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1JL3qdQ )
decimation:
http://csrc.nist.gov/nissc/1996/papers/NISSC96/joyal/industry.pdf < interesting: " In 1981 Hitachi acquired a nearly-complete set of the confidential and much coveted IBM Adirondack Workbooks from a former IBM employee. ... What is most interesting to note, is that Hitachi spymasters in Japan, who were supervising the espionage operations, transmitted their instructions to Hitachi case officers in San Francisco through Japanese ...
decimation: ... diplomatic communications. The Japanese consulate had received telex instructions on how to proceed with the acquisition program after meetings between Hitachi and the American agents had occurred in Tokyo. Once communication was received in the consulate, the message was transmitted to the Hitachi man in Silicon Valley by the commercial representative of the Japanese consulate."
davout: !rate Pierre_Rochard 2 met this monsieur IRL
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assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for Pierre_Rochard with note: met this monsieur IRL
ascii_field debugging a device driver for ~2 days now; if there were to be a hell for programmerz, this oughta be one of the torments therein
mod6: Has anyone else been able to build asciilifeform 's "stator" on ubuntu? What I have experienced is that it does not build: The libs are not copied/installed into ./ourlibs, they are installed to the following places; OpenSSL to o /usr/local/ssl/, BDB to /lib and Boost to /usr/local/lib
mod6: this is on ubuntu 14.04 x86-64.
ascii_field: how else could these have been copied to /usr/anything
mod6: i am in this case... because if I didn't I'm getting a seperate error.
mod6: lemme rebuild and see if i can replicate the error. and paste it to you.
shinohai: mod6 I built it on Ubuntu a few weeks ago, thought I mentioned.
shinohai: I agree with ascii_field tho. Ubuntu is the retarded cousin of Debian
ascii_field: i will say again - don't run build script as root
ascii_field: if you find yourself doing this, your system is broken !
mod6: ok here we go. just a sec, will paste.
shinohai: mod6: I had to build boost by itself every time because of that name problem
ascii_field: mod6: you have crud owned by root in there
shinohai: after that I commented out the boost line and re-ran
mod6: ok will try a few things
mod6: alright, chowned the entire thing -R mod6:mod6, building again.
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shinohai: mod6: I almost certain boost needs to be renamed from boost-x to boost_x
ascii_field: holy fuck why are people using retarded os
mod6: ascii_field: im doing this because ive put stator.sh into the test bundle, and I wanna ensure that it works on gentoo/deb6/unbuntu before i notify people on the ML.
shinohai: Hmm ... i got the same error, so I manually downloaded boost because I had a .tar.gz in that folder instead of boost.tar.bz2
ascii_field: mod6: how broken does ubuntu need to prove itself before it is reasonable to declare it unsupported crock of shit - in the same toilet as winblowz ?
mod6: this is a fair question, i don't like it any better than you do. im just trying to figure out if im retarded.
mod6: i could be doing something wildly retarded, i just don't know what it /is/ yet :]
shinohai: I dunno, I doubt you are "retarded" but building it separate solved all my issues every build I have done so far
shinohai: Besides pogo, which I can't get to work at all
mod6: yeah, we need to be able to build the whole thing in one button push really. so doing it separate is fine for individuals who know what they're doing, but not good enough for release.
mod6: this does build fine (my TEST1 bundle with 'stator.sh' as non-root) on gentoo
mod6: as the same with genuine 'stator' archive
mod6: so this could just be ubuntu releated.
shinohai: Same thing happened to me on Debian tho :/
mod6: seems to me, that i hit this once right when I first tried this package -- but the problem was then (over a month ago), i was dl'ing the .tar.gz of boost, not .tar.bz2, and i've corrected that
shinohai fires up ssh, and tries another Ubuntu build
mod6: i'll try deb6 again here this afternoon too.
trinque: shuttlecock's distro is dead to me as well
shinohai: Was BitVegas that minecraft like casino?
shinohai: I think I played bacon races or something there but long time ago
shinohai prays danielpbarron will release a prebuilt stator binary for pogo
danielpbarron: unless that's an item in Eulora, don't hold your breath
danielpbarron: the only things i'm building lately are exploration markers
shinohai: I'm still trying. One of these days I will unlock the secrets.
shinohai knows dick about cross-compilation.
ascii_field: shinohai: what part of the recipe failed for you ?
shinohai: but the buildroot I got has no "pogo" folder
assbot: Qualcomm will lay off 15% of its workforce, succumbs to cult of ‘shareholder value’ | ExtremeTech ... (
http://bit.ly/1D5fTvL )
decimation: "The rest of the drop-off can be explained by Qualcomm being caught off-guard by 64-bit SoCs. It had no custom architecture ready to deploy, and was forced to adopt ARM’s standard cores for its next-generation of chips. That"
decimation: "Samsung opted not to use Snapdragon 810 and the company has faced some price pressure from the low-end of the market, driven by companies like MediaTek and Rockchip."
shinohai: Asks me for file to patch, then says file not found, lemme try again
trinque: shinohai | ;;later tell trinque Don't ruin my jester troll B << whatchu talkin bout shinohai
shinohai: trinque: For some reason I got DM'd Saturday night asking for a keybase invite
shinohai: I was hoping that "THE GREAT JESTER" would see keybase is a load of shit
trinque: oh, I was a dick on twitter?
shinohai: and holy shit I got the patch to apply
trinque: I only tweet dickery, as a matter of principle
shinohai: I thought it would be funny if he actually stored a copy of his key "encrypted" on their server
decimation: ... share count at the end of fiscal 2014 was flat compared with five years before."
decimation: the surface reading re: qualcomm: the management knows they are in a hole and therefore are colluding with outside investors to pirate assets from the company before it dies
decimation: meanwhile, eventually all phone chips will be made by chinese & korean firms
decimation: "The entire idea of breaking Qualcomm up into two companies, for example, makes no sense from an ongoing business perspective — but it makes great sense if you’re an investor who believes the real money is in patent licensing (an extremely high-margin business) and not in chip manufacturing. "
trinque: they're diving in with the redditards/shithubians directly?
ascii_field: they had other publications, e.g., 'selinux'
trinque: wasn't "simp" what the semi-intelligent gorillas were called in Rama?
trinque: ascii_field: sure, but the fact that this is a huge wad of ruby code for puppet amuses me to no end
trinque: which touches every possible knob on system config
decimation: trinque: what do you expect? usg was using lisp?
trinque: I'm saying they have some puppet exploit
trinque: and they're distributing it thusly
ascii_field: and i can't fathom why anyone outside of usg walls would even consider using this
decimation: or they are just trying to half ass the halfass tools they have
ascii_field: as far as i can see, it is an internal auditing tool
decimation: usg is nominally responsible for the 'security' of all of its computers and a good deal of its subsidary's
decimation: the fact that 'security' has been defined-down to 'managing /etc profiles' is the punchline
trinque: many layers at NSA, I'm sure
trinque: not all of which are utter morons, but these surely are
decimation: meanwhile the chiense are busy putting us hardware companies out of business
trinque: good for them; they have the good sense to... make... things...
trinque: my buddy learning mandarin has it right
decimation: they eat from below; apparently once the bathwater is circling the tub - management & hedge funds come to eat 'from the top'
ascii_field: wake me up when cn is using something other than winblowz (and stolen american designs, e.g., 'arm' wholesale) in their fabs
decimation: ascii_field: I suppose at one point cadence will get similar treatment
trinque: ascii_field: they're busy inventing factories
ascii_field: decimation: there is not the slightest sign whatsoever of this ever happening
trinque: they'll get to the design too
decimation: ascii_field: for example do you suppose 'rockchip' is nothing more than a pile of 'stolen' cores?
ascii_field: when somebody like me says 'let's design computer from scratch', a 'roi/tco' type reads 'let's make a megatonne pyre of money and light it'
trinque: why do they need to design new chips from scratch to unseat the USA as the leading economic and military power?
trinque: they can just eat the food we feed them
trinque: worry about being better than themselves after we're dead
ascii_field: no reason - manking got along without this, too, for quite a while.
ascii_field: why fight lice, fleas? our ancestors had them
ascii_field: (and grandchildren will, by all indications, have them again)
trinque: sure but on the one hand one could discuss tactics against the USA, and on the other, a sort of aspirational "best"
trinque: you can kill a guy with all sorts of blunt objects laying around
shinohai: Since it is too hot for tea, I chose a more refreshing drink this time around.
assbot: Intel Corporation - Intel Enters into Strategic Agreement with Rockchip to Accelerate, Expand Portfolio of Intel-Based Solutions for Tablets ... (
http://bit.ly/1IpNtwQ )
trinque: I see the chinese strategy as having been to bootstrap their own industrial economy by sucking the life out of ours. (obviously not an observation hard to come by)
trinque: they've done that masterfully
trinque: and if they pulled off something like that, I'd not think them so naive they think they can do that forever
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:18; asciilifeform: actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth
ascii_field: cheap ~meticulous, willing, aspiring~ labourers
decimation: ^ who presently survive on a few helpings of rice and some liquor
ascii_field: folks who are not resentful, as you and i would be if we were chained to factory tomorrow
trinque: I can certainly see how that level of devotion would wear out
decimation: because their parents were dirt farmers
ascii_field: folks for whom factory is a serious step ~up~
ascii_field: this is a non-renewable resource, for entirely obvious reasons
trinque: maybe china will look elsewhere for people to step-up; iirc they are already doing this
ascii_field: apparently they were desperate enough to try africa.
decimation: mainly for minerals today, but tomorrow the people
trinque: but I see how the cost increases for each round
ascii_field: result: chinese reservations, barbed wire, machine guns
decimation: ^ but also the occasional road project 'for the people'
ascii_field: easy to hold 'mandate of heaven' while subjects are convinced that they are being 'lifted'
ascii_field: after that - 'stagnation period' and brezhnev, and discontent, and 'dissent'
ascii_field: and many toeholds for u.s. state dept., 'voice of america', hyoooman rightz
shinohai: ascii_field if I wasn't an atheist, I'd say "God bless you". It built.
trinque: ascii_field: do you recommend a starting-point book on USSR history, or is the material not in english?
trinque: seems referenced here often re: current events elsewhere
ascii_field: trinque: i know of no 'go-to' secondary source re: the whole shebang
ascii_field: if you are only concerned with the collapse, orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' is notbad
ascii_field: (however, he is almost entirely unconcerned with the politics, only the consequences in daily life)
ascii_field: commenter: 'The article showed up on your RSS feed yesterday. That is probably how Zero Hedge got it.'
ascii_field: orlov: 'There is a bug in blogger where it sometimes publishes a post even if the date is set in the future. I disabled feeds to work around it.'
decimation: trinque: I got the flavor of some of it from the writings of Solzhenitsyn
decimation: especially if you are curious about шара́жка
decimation: anyone who works for a soulless bureaucracy would immediate recognize the similarities
trinque: I'll do some reading on both; I am curious generally about the (seemingly) ever-repeating process of collapse
trinque: and I've gleaned some of the striking parallels between the USSR and the present USSA by listening to you gentlemen.
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shinohai: Ok so now I have this, what should my next step be ascii_field
mircea_popescu: "Two Fridays ago, when I read a story posted on Gawker that seemed to senselessly out a nobody for soliciting a gay porn prostitute, I immediately thought someone should be fired."
ascii_field: shinohai: what are you trying to achieve ?
shinohai: build bitcoind for pogo of course
ascii_field: shinohai: there is not, presently, a working bitcoind for the pogo buildroot that is made by the recipe linked earlier.
ascii_field: (will need a hybrid of the 'stator' script and the static cross-dev builder posted a while ago)
shinohai: I missed the cross-dev builder heh
mircea_popescu: "I hate to be hyperbolic, but want to understand ISIS or the Tea Party or Occupy or Charleston or Dylan? Look no further than Gawker and its ilk, which means look no further than twitter or your own so-called smartphone: We are making the world a miserable place. I’m glad I can withdraw and think about it."
mircea_popescu: there shall be a lot of "withdraw and think about it" in the retard camp methinks.
mircea_popescu: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<office@polimedia.us> SIZE=1896:
mircea_popescu: 550 IP 188.68.240.159 is blocked by EarthLink. Go to earthlink.net/block for
mod6: ok one problem for sure that I noticed when executing the boost steps manually is that I didn't have realpath installed.
ascii_field: one of the beauties of going buildroot-only is that we will no longer have this crud to put up with.
ascii_field: if buildroot builds on your box - the rest will build
ascii_field: if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 12:57:13; mircea_popescu: this is the one from dooglus' site that took her pic with a wooden something up her snatch right ?
mod6: <+ascii_field> if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer << :D
BingoBoingo: Dice girl's nick was pikachujdc or something like that.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this theoretical "so and so will happen" is nice and good, but also is useless in this discussion. following hanbot's mega-explosive "hey, this shit dun work on the most commonly seen linux out there" has been enlightening.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not so theoretical. we just had another fella successfully 'buildroot' moments ago.
ascii_field: it is the only way to get deterministic gcc
ascii_field: and thus have all the builders end up with actual same binary
shinohai: now if I can only figure out what to do next
ascii_field: shinohai: play with it. change the arch to x86 and see if you can run the resulting elf
mircea_popescu: step out of that context for a second and understand that if the thing doesn't build,. the thing doesn't build.
mircea_popescu: same reason gentoo can go shit in its own mouth as far as im concerned.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buildroot is precisely the antidote to 'gentooism'
ascii_field: in that it builds a gcc, and full binutils toolchain, which ~then~ can build, e.g., bitcoind
mircea_popescu: and i DO mean all the way to EXACTLY "Create a directory (mkdir dev). Navigate to it (cd dev)"
shinohai: Ubuntu is just the linux version of Winblowze Vista
mircea_popescu: with the paranthesis, included, verbatim, everywhere, no exceptions.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field we don't have that, we don't have anything in this perspective.
ascii_field: but overall mircea_popescu is right, there is not yet a cookbook
mircea_popescu: understand : in the strictest sense, it must be IDENTICAL.
mircea_popescu: as much as a single missing "navigate to foo (cd /foo)" means 100% failure.
ascii_field reads eulorum link, sees what mircea_popescu meant
mircea_popescu: now, obviously that it can be done at all is huge, and yes, all that is very important
mircea_popescu: but there's a prototype and there's a mass production in all things.
decimation: 'yeah we totally write stuff in portable code but we can't be bothered to support anything other than what Intel stamps out because reasons'
shinohai: My first try at cross-compiling and I already need a drink .....
BingoBoingo: So lawyer finally called to update on what happened at court. Shit is getting real.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the person immediately under the elected State's attourney showed up to the negotiations and demanded a guilty plea offering minimum fine and court supervision. If they want it that bad they simply are not getting it.
BingoBoingo: So I will be shuttling $200 to the drive through lawyer to argue the hearing on motions in Septembet (why he neglected to mention this before I have no idea).
BingoBoingo: By yes. One of the big wigs at the prosecution's office apparently stooped to negotiating over a misdemeanor.
mod6: I was able to build on deb6/gentoo nomultilib glibc/and ubuntu 14.04 just fine. On ubuntu, my problem was missing realpath. DEERP.
shinohai: O fuck mod6 I forgot all abt realpath
mod6: yup, i thought it was already on there. I just never bothered to check until I tried to execute the script commands by hand and it turned up "not found". then the "ah ha!" moment.
☟︎ mod6: my plan for tonight is to put out the bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz bundle to the ML tonight if possible. This is a pre-patched tarball of all of ascii's patches (and one of my fixes) up through verifyall. Should work only on x86-64 deb6/ubuntu 14.04/gentoo nomultilib glibc - if anyone wants to help test.
mod6: Beyond that, I need to write upt the SoBA for this month.
mod6: And then next month, if no one else volunteers to create the "cookbook". I'll spend all of August building that. I'll start with a guide for deb6 & ubuntu on x86-64 and i386.
mod6: then obviously it'll need further instructions in the cookbook for whenever we put out v0.5.4, etc.
ascii_field: mod6: i may or may not have a nice surprise for you this week
shinohai: I'll help test as always mod6, in between this pogo crash-course I am doing
mod6: ascii_field: what's the problem now?
mod6: lol. ok. had me worried there for a second.
trinque: remote code execution 0day in all released versions of bitcoind
shinohai: remote code execution 0day in all released versions of bitcoinXT <<< FTFY
gernika: Anyone yet written any scripts to archive Trilema? I dipped my toe in the water, but only got as far as figuring out how to get curl to set the right cookie.
shinohai: I was going to speak with mp about archiving
trinque: !s from:mircea_popescu fair use
BingoBoingo: shinohai: If you really want to archive qntra there are many options. wget, curl, that derpy browser based website copier...
trinque: it would be rude aside from theft to host the mirror, however, re: trilema
shinohai: I know *how* to archive websites, just permissions, etc.
gernika: Aha. Ok thanks. That should do it. Wget is a start. Ultimately I would like a distilled form with text + title + footnotes in some sort of structured format.
shinohai: In fact, if *anyone* would like for me to archive their site, they are welcome to message
jurov: ;;isup trilema.com
davout: mircea_popescu can't get it up anymore?
☟︎ trinque: shinohai: I look forward to the day publishing is done over gossipd.
trinque: not the one to which I refer
shinohai: I always want to add a "t" to the end of your name trinque
trinque: one can easily imagine a system with both assurances that the content being read is the author's and with fault tolerance
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
trinque: shinohai: I think the french pronunciation would be something like "trin-keh"
☟︎ trinque: used to have an accent on it iirc
Adlai still pronounces it "undata"
shinohai: I do the Spanish pronunciation, "que" sounding like the letter K
Adlai: nobody expects the spanish pronounciation!
davout: trinque: "with both assurances that the content being read is the author's" <<< iirc that was precisely not the point
trinque: davout: nah, talking bout an app atop the thing
trinque: author blasts his latest to however many connected nodes with signatures, and so on
trinque: is that just usenet with sigs? might be
fluffypony: anything that uses the framework to generate thumbnails or whatever
trinque: davout: also how do I say my name?
trinque: (said the american to the european)
davout: tango romeo india november quebec uniform echo
mats: fluffypony: ic, i haven't looked at it in depth yet
davout: trinque is the french for "cheers" when you have a drink
davout: from the "trinquer" verb
trinque: I've heard that; I wonder whether my ancestors were wine makers or winos
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trinque: this android thing might be enough to push me back towards a dumbphone
Adlai: trinque: porquenolosdos.gif
trinque: this might do nicely, thanks
ascii_field: i wasn't going to post this quite yet, had been sitting on it for a bit, because no time lately to test much
ascii_field: but, since it works, and mircea_popescu was lamenting the lack of it,
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
trinque: ascii_field: bravo sir, your shiva hands never cease to amaze
shinohai: ascii_field: you are a fucking genius
shinohai: Every time I follow ascii_field's instructions I have to get out the samovar for tea.
☟︎ mod6: thanks for posting that ascii_field!
mod6: im gonna try to build this
trinque: note to derps such as myself, you must rename the files without the appended ml hash or w/e to verify sigs
shinohai: Ok, tea is brewing, lets begin peeps
trinque: color schemes remind me of the winamp for some reason
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mod6: i hit a small environment snag in the buildroot build itself -- i didn't have `cpio` installed, now that it's installed continuing make..
trinque: in my case buildroot succeeded, and build proceeds up to the following barf trying to build db:
trinque: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
☟︎ trinque: If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
trinque: there were also several failed boost targets, which may or may not matter
mod6: what type of environment did you build on? im building mine on [gentoo/nomultilib/glibc]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne any idea why scoopy won't pick up two articles in quick succession ?
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trinque: mod6: gentoo hardened glibc amd64
williamdunne: <pete_dushenski> any idea why scoopy won't pick up two articles in quick succession ? <<< lack of a functional messaging queue in the standard library of what I used, resulting in me using a hacky way of getting the bit that handles IRC to speak to the bit that handles RSS
williamdunne: Hence why Twitter doesn't have that issue, but IRC does
pete_dushenski: the two today were written a few hours apart, i just wanted to publish them together since they were in the same vein.
williamdunne: Probably can just adapt the hack to use a list instead of plain text
williamdunne: pete_dushenski feel free to test, but he should work with multiple posts in quick succession now
pete_dushenski: williamdunne let me know when you're ready for another test.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 22:27:19; trinque: configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2015 19:17:47; ascii_field: if it doesn't - walk your box out behind the shed & shoot it, get a real computer
trinque: given where it blew up, it is complaining of not being able to run binaries produced by the buildroot gcc
trinque: it's a gentoo install I've rolled forward for *years*
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Silly derp there, fix should have worked and was simple
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: No error my side, did you post a test?
williamdunne: He matches via URLs and remembers ones he's seen in the past, so if the URL was the same that'd be why it didn't work
trinque: this just5 company does not appear to ship to the USA!11!
shinohai: well asciilifeform i am all jacked up on tea now and still have no clue what to change on this .config xD
trinque: pete_dushenski: who can blame them?
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: cheers, we must be one of the most productive communities
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Nah, I've read most posts by most people here. Including that aha
trinque: in a bit I'll go back from the beginning to see if I glossed over a step, don't think I did
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Yeah, Trilema was the biggest struggle. Still haven't read all of them but read enough that I cooked salmon teriyaki the other evening
williamdunne: It was pretty good, but that had more to do with the salmon than the teriyaki. Didn't leave it to soak for nearly long enough because we were too hungry
trinque: shinohai | well asciilifeform i am all jacked up on tea now << OH YEAH BROTHER
shinohai: trinque you have any suggestions for me ?
trinque: nah, I'm also jacked on caffeine
trinque: shinohai: where'd you get stuck?
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trinque: gernika: yeah, looking out for that
trinque: that phone's pretty as well.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne next time, plan ahead a day and enjoy the not insignificant benefits of your foresight and patience.
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pete_dushenski: gernika neat. though a dumbphone too dumb to text "be there in 10" is too dumb for me.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski Yes, I planned enough ahead to have ingredients in, but not enough to sort the teriyaki beforehand. Probably try it again in a couple of weeks
mats: yes am bringing back the RAZR
gernika: pete_dushenski I ended up getting a samsung gusto - texts well enough.
pete_dushenski: mats it's seriously the coolest. looks a million times better than phabtards with their ipads to their heads
mats: am still waiting for my motorolaC155 to arrive
mats: le open baseband fw osmocomBB
trinque: I never text away from my computer
trinque: I'm also never away from my computer, haha
trinque: all I need is a device that can tell me "hey dude, open your computer" really.
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trinque: I did rock a razr for years
trinque: I am probably a unique case in that aside from calls from family, I really don't care to be responsive at second-latency to the world at large
trinque: next day is good enough for anybody.
shinohai: ok enough tea and fucking bitcoin for the day. Time for the hard stuff.