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RagnarDanneskjol: oh yes very interesting indeed - I read it before - always get more the second time around. thank
mircea_popescu: i don't see you churning out an article a week about how "evil nato" and "nice putin"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so wait, you COULD be a tailor ? cuz yo usorta like cut stuff now and again ?
assbot: The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gernika: Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around?
mircea_popescu: gernika the kgb does not recruit nobodies for this role.
mircea_popescu: either he's an officer, which is weird, but weird is not new in the game ; or else he's just yet another aspiring-talking head, except not working for X company but Y, or else i'm wrong.
gernika: I could see him as the "social media" branch of a wider effort that includes RT.
mircea_popescu: what does any other derp paying for "online marketing" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember that rather accurate depiction of "typical agent" ?
mircea_popescu: sorta fringe-y, sorta-angry but not really, "let's make a new alphabet"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ?
gernika: Orlov reminds me of detective who has you in the interrogation room. He somehow befriends himself to you and makes you think he wants to help you. He lays out your options. Cooperate and you get life. Otherwise death.
mircea_popescu: let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov.
mircea_popescu: now, propose a situation, sketch a plan and give me an order.
mircea_popescu: think cc server - rooted box. i'm the rooted box. say something to me!
mircea_popescu: select from blog_derps where location within 50 miles and factor 1..n in $criteria or has car etc
mircea_popescu: if the car worked on an ideal carnot cycle it'd be pretty much fireworks show
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows, it's a shitty life the junkies, whores and assets lead.
mircea_popescu: "a stunted copulation between a woman who hadn’t been laid in decades and a man who interrogated mattress springs for a living"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most folk get this idea that "they're in control of their own life" and that "they won't have to do anything they don't want to do" and so...
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that can happen. and nobody reads anyway, and who's going to figure anything out
mircea_popescu: i like it when hirelings go "hello micrea". on a first name basis with people you don't even know the first name of ? way to fail multiple times per line!
BingoBoingo: Micrea is the cleanshaven alternate universe version
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least it didn't get all the way to snotislav or something
undata: thestringpuller: wrong string.
undata: thestringpuller: not a clue
undata: asciilifeform: spend magnet links into the blockchain?
undata: maybe I'll write that this weekend
undata: asciilifeform: same question as who hosts, isn't it?
undata: of course you could get fancier and do some darknet thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not so sure there's that much validity to that demonstration.
mircea_popescu: the entire us carrier approach to war is expensive and unwieldy.
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mircea_popescu: dat tokenization. anyway, iirc it was on the same place last tiem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a path that leads to a copy, that lives
undata will just write said magnet link thing and report back
undata: seems like seeding a trackerless torrent with your thing and a signature of the thing solves this
mircea_popescu: the ideal would be to have a permanent file storage that works by incrementally adding chickens to the task
mircea_popescu: but taking chickens away degrades performance but not storage ?
BingoBoingo: Known sha2 for scans of print text is a very hard problem unless designated agent goes to Paladin press, buys dead trees, and signs hashlists
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, there is a lot of overlap between the problem of packing bits and the problems of blockchain and crypto isn;'t there.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem ehre is this : immutable datastore comes with the problem of, who may add to it.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, whoever made this scan isn't very good at the whole scanning books business
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in short, your complaint is legitimate but the solution unobvious.
mircea_popescu: problem goes deeper : if "who can add is finite" then you have a point of failure baked in quite nastily.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the current state of the web, 50% or more linkrotted away
mircea_popescu: how about this canonical formulation of it : most of what i know i know alone, because the "internet" is made out of knowledge in the sense the earth is made out of grass.
undata: asciilifeform: what about torrent sites with seed ratio requirements? They seem to have done well as archives, even of the obscure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's the russian thing work ? mostly as undata's idea, right ? loosely affiliated, % enforcing warez sites
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll tell you something about obscure. perhaps the best franchise in the history of western pornography is kink.com. best in purely aesthetic terms. now, their various brands, things such as i dunno, publichumiliation exist on the piratebay in the sense of maybe a dozen items out of what, 500 ? 1k total ?
mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out
mircea_popescu: suppose i wanted to do something of the substance of actual reason, knowledge, science. da fuck do i do ? pray ?
mircea_popescu: imagine if libraries of the paper variety were organised on the principle that "well if you want something to read we prolly have a coupla books"
undata: the sites I'm thinking of solve this by making upload credits capital you spend on download, effectively
mircea_popescu: in fact, the way digital stuff is handled, it reminds me of how books would be handled in the house a functionally illiterate peasant from the 1900s.
undata: it seems that kind of incentive structure could be tweaked to reward preserving the obscure
mircea_popescu: "and here is where we keep the books" . "what's in them ? " " letter"
mircea_popescu: but the problem is not merely storage. retrieval is up there too. consider the simple task "let us watc ha movie". the girls now have to find one. i've distributed more lashes for failure to find good films than for all other reasons combined, in 2014.
mircea_popescu: while the exercise is instructive, i don't really believe it's the girls' fault exactly.
undata: asciilifeform: certainly
undata: given a BTC transaction which represents an "item" in the catalog, there could as well be transactions which refer to that one and rate it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the "unspecified" website i asked for someone to make a month ago and punkman volunteered is EXACTLY a wot-driven film database.
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mircea_popescu: hear what five hundred internet imbeciles thought about racism in THIS film
assbot: Spamming reddit, an “experiment”. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu The idea being that any current “social media” website is a defective implementation of the WoT, what I intend to do is prove this point. Because the sort of idiots involved won’t figure it on their own, and the assholes a la zuck and conde nast have about as much interest in the matter as your random bank cares about getting off shitty buggy ms software.
mircea_popescu: "god help us if people are in charge of their own lives, anything b ut that" ?
mircea_popescu: a fortress is first and foremost an embodied fuck you.
mircea_popescu: just how well fortified it actually is =- that's a technical discussion'
mircea_popescu: but the unbreached fortress is exactly as fortified as any other unbreached fortress : infinitely so.
mircea_popescu: nothing as indomitable as an idea whose time has come eh
mircea_popescu: "hard to keep people from observing water is wet once their wanderings take them to an ocean"
decimation: re: spies << Stierlitz is a psychologist
decimation: I was amused the reference to the lady morse operator's "hand"
undata: asciilifeform: how does it compare to emacs claw?
decimation: asciilifeform: when I visited Bletchley park, they told a story about this. Apparently the germans initially sent the 'headers' in enigma traffic in plaintext before the message
decimation: the uk operators at the "Y" stations became familiar with the 'hand' of each german operator
decimation: later, when the germans started to encrypt the 'headers', they were able to sort out each crypto link by the intercept operator's ability to recognize his opponent's hand
decimation: as nearly all enigma traffic was sent by hand morse
decimation: actually morse was initially 'machine' sent
decimation: the original idea was to mark a strip of paper with the morse characters, but very soon after the telegraph was introduced it was realized that operators could send by ear much more quickly
decimation: yeah I also found it interesting in 'stierlitz' that he didn't send his own morse/radio traffic
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> it's not even a 'technology' in the sense semiconductor is - but more as arithmetic is. << quite agreed,
mircea_popescu: and to think the derps are going o nbout "blockchain technology". as if.
decimation: asciilifeform: in Stierlitz, the poor English translation for the word that refers to when a spy is killed 'doing his duty' seems to be 'failed'
decimation: "Stierlitz knew he would 'fail' if he did x"
decimation: I get the feeling that's the wrong translation at times
mircea_popescu: english has the funcitonal equivalent, "the deal fell through"
BingoBoingo: From the lulzmines: "Batman is a rich white psychopath who beats up poor people for fun. He is not now and never has been a hero."
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
mircea_popescu: "By their nature as vigilantes, acting outside or above the law, most superheroes have a troubling undercurrent of aristocratic, undemocratic, authoritarian values."
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undata: asciilifeform: social media is the shriek of the headphones
undata: what were we talking about?
mircea_popescu: And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. "Excuse me-" she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive.
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RetroUpriser: Well the offer stands should you change your mind
decimation: asciilifeform: "fiat 'was down'" << sometimes this happens because a geomagnetic storm knocks down a satellite - for example most gas stations in the us clear credit cards through satellite
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decimation: yeah my understanding is that the results of the 'search dogs' are always an objective basis upon which one can search
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the driver’s consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search << Pretty much an open secret by now
xanthyos: you don't need to physically see the same board
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser ima do algebraic notation in about 5 minutes lemme type out some letters
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BingoBoingo: That, but then again non-nagant revolver so there was an exit point for the pressure between the chamber and barrel
mircea_popescu: so now, is X the queen or the king in that arrangement ? or is white caps or no caps ?
BingoBoingo: r is the queen, x is the king, white is on top (king's starts on e, queen on d)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: probably the cost of making of forward cam vs. retard resistant gas can escape two places design
decimation: re: semi quad-copter << I don't get how that's more effective than a semi-truck full of small guided ballistic missiles
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is for the manufacterer and the purchasing agency negotiating on the specs. Maybe Police wants to spring for better than liberator, but forward cam... too much
BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: How does king move two spaces?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Game seems to be a thing, just the non-standard letters are messing with my ingrained encoding
decimation: asciilifeform: seems to me it would be easier just to send a pcm signal like bpsk or something, but I guess this was before that kind of stuff was well known
BingoBoingo: looks like RetroUpriser is playing some sort of French defense and mircea_popescu is just grabbing space
mircea_popescu: aw shgit i had the pawn moved not the bishiop. my bad.
RetroUpriser: im looking at a board and putting the moves in
Apocalyptic: why not using the standard algebraic notation ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because... i don't know it ? so ended up making some shit up on the spot ?
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser sorry man, i'll have to take a bow here. my table is too fubar for a 3rd debug attempt
mircea_popescu: you'll have to play with someone who actulaly knows how.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, easier to learn than to ask your opponent to adapt, especially if he plays quite a lot
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic no argument there, but i just don't happen to give a shit about chess, what can i tell you
nubbins`: altho given the results of the tourney, maybe i should abstain
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mircea_popescu: is anyone even keepiung count of all these braindamaged "services" the bezzle keeps pumping out ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, they all depend on being the only one as a business model, by now the only firm guarantee that can be made is that nobody will EVER make a dime in that market
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mike_c: it is moving around a lot
mircea_popescu: im waiting for the one that scrolls crazy shitstick on all sides
mircea_popescu: so the paleo fad diet experts among us : what the fuck do you do about sushi ?
mike_c: omg, that one does. it scrolls down then sideways then down
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the thing's intended for kansasites who are barbaric enough to never heard of and so never miss sushi
mircea_popescu: also, wheat is verboten but what about beans ? pretty sure no paleoman ate lentil soup.
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PeterL: mircea_popescu: paleo says fish is fine, can you make sushi without rice?
PeterL: there are other ways to prepare fish
PeterL: mircea_popescu: paleo says no beans
PeterL: I've had sushi, didn;t like it much, probably not high quality though
fluffypony: stuff from a takeaway joint on the corner is reserved for sushimergencies
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, that's another thing this town shines in. they got sushi.
mircea_popescu: PeterL anway, i was just illustrating a point. one of my fave meals is, pork wellington. my own invention.
PeterL: simmilar to beef wellington?
PeterL: yes, there are many dishes which just don't happen on paleo
PeterL: I tried it, like the way I felt physically, but was too bored with eating the same things over and over
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm not giving up on my culture for the sake of you know... preserving some bizarre prehistorical concerns
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... i would think deviled eggs is the pinnacle of paleo culinary achievement huh
mircea_popescu: as a craft i mean. obviously hard to fight a proper steak
PeterL: my wife managed to make some interesting dishes trying to keep things interesting
mircea_popescu: did you do the actual no beans no milk no nothing version ?
mircea_popescu: or more like "whatever, we just won't eat too many sugar frosted dumplings" version
PeterL: lasted a couple months
mircea_popescu is a firm champion of "eat whatever thoust will until you burst" diet, going on 40 years now
PeterL: then she decided she couldn't stand to see another sweet potato and we started adding lots of stuff back in
mircea_popescu: decimation well it's not manly enough, sucking on titties.
PeterL: milk digestion as an adult was one of the most recent enzymes added to the human genome
PeterL: some populations get it more than others
mircea_popescu: PeterL how does that make sense ? if you have it as a kid then it's there
PeterL: most animals don't eat milk as adult
PeterL: yeah, but the body stops making it
mircea_popescu: the genome doesn't change over the lifetime of the individual
ben_vulpes: upregulation and downregulation is a thing
ben_vulpes: stop drinking milk long enough and it will hurt the next time
decimation:
http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/centum-and-satem-2/ << "It all started pretty far to the East. There, some crazy locals first tamed the horse. I’m thinking that they were something like the Botai culture, riding and hunting horses, but not farmers. They may well have milked those horses – by the way, horse milk is much richer in lactose than human or cow milk."
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mircea_popescu: i am pretty convinced the way milk became a part of the diet is because of animal husbandry.
mircea_popescu: mares literally love being suckled, and will love you if you suckle them
mircea_popescu: this given, how long would it have taken some bored kids in central asia ?
joecool: <ben_vulpes> upregulation and downregulation is a thing < it's funny how many people forget this
mircea_popescu: joecool i was just keeping his hands to the coals on the technicality of it. "retaining milk digestion past childood is a recent adaptation" etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should start small, give the bright kids there lightbulbs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik, the fermentation makes it accessible to wussies
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nubbins`: anyone know if you can carry money in a regular wheelbarrow or do they make ones w/ nets to keep the cash from blowing away?
PeterL: nubbins`: use a paperweight?
nubbins`: currently using a couple of cookie sheets, but they slide around
nubbins`: asciilifeform actually knows a fellow who lost lactose digestion as adult <<< this happened to my wife
joecool: must be a canadian problem
nubbins`: lactose-free dairy stuff is more common these days
nubbins`: you can get president's choice lactose-free cheddar AND marble now :0
joecool: nubbins`: it is, can buy regular milk without lactose and even ice cream
nubbins`: the lactase pills even stopped working
nubbins`: i mean, old cheddar doesn't have much lactose to begin with.
joecool: i told her this too, she never had an issue with aged cheeses
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assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills
PeterL: assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills <<< wth assbot?
PeterL: is somebody playing with assbot?
ben_vulpes: things about ios 8 that drive me insane
ben_vulpes: app store search results are sorted above my installed apps
assbot: PeterL, have you seen the movie 'being john malkovich'?
ben_vulpes: on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool.
ben_vulpes: this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up
ben_vulpes: if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered.
decimation: ben_vulpes: won't you need much disk space per 'try'?
ben_vulpes: one for copying into the dir, one for launching from.
ben_vulpes: if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run.
ben_vulpes: well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work?
decimation: ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> not directly a cause of the wedge though
ben_vulpes: there is much contrast in the implications of these statements.
decimation: I guess my point is that if something external to the turd participates in the 'wedging' then the bisect plan won't really work
decimation: or at least, will have misleading results
decimation: if something is stomping on something in those libraries it could be quite subtle
ben_vulpes: would the libraries not be held constant between bisections?
ben_vulpes: provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages
decimation: sure, but it is at least possible that is stomping on the code in such a way that it doesn't work in one version, but then works in another
decimation: not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory
decimation: nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if yes, mark as good with git bisect <<< interesting approach.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing.
mircea_popescu: "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed.
mircea_popescu: either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congratulate the author
mircea_popescu: "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug."
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ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141112 05:22] either they stole openssh code (unlikely) << not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it.
jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format?
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cazalla: gee, you're up early/late BingoBoingo
cazalla: scoopbot once again will not get the scoop
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jurov: "defunct Bitcoin Foundation" hah
jurov: cazalla i had to rerad it several times
cazalla: i've had a few drinks but what is wrong with it
jurov: first i was wtf, vessesnes is speaking in the nme of samsung?
cazalla: well why not? he speaks in the name of bitcoin
jurov: then wtf, no, ne is representing $1B investors?
jurov: and then "oh he's just yapping alone"
cazalla: "Much of the money will go directly to foundries with the highest technology in the world, including Samsung, Intel and TSMC"
cazalla: maybe i need another beer for clarity
cazalla: i'm sure it will make sense then
jurov: i read the source, too and this chuckleworthy info was snuck in the end:
jurov: The Bitcoin Foundation is in discussions with Korean firms and financial authorities about setting up a Bitcoin foundation in Korea.
cazalla: jurov, do you think the qntra article is bad?
jurov: it's just copied from source
cazalla: well, not much else one can add with something like that, his talk isn't online so difficult to know what else he said
jurov: the source continues "Samsung is one of a few chipmakers capable of producing 10-nonometer(sic!)-class chips."
jurov: which clarifies things
jurov: why he singled out samsung
jurov: i don't think it's bad, just..idk, maybe someone else can pinpoint it better
cazalla: i'll re-read tmw when sober
jurov: dunno what is with all the drinking in this chan
jurov: at home i'm okay with just a glass of beer or wine
jurov: and when not at home, i dont publish stuff :)
cazalla: well i suffer from this problem that i have 1, which is good, so 2 must be great, 3 is awesome and that's that
cazalla: it's my pain medicine as well
jurov: lol "medicinal alcohol" is 90% stuff :DDD
jurov: but yea i see what you mean
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, think it'll be bad? they only smashed a few things after zimmerman was found not guilty
BingoBoingo: Zimmerman was also a Hispanic Jew so also kind of on the minority spectrum, also not a police officer.
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chetty: hahahaha I just saw what has to be the funniest traffic snarl ever. The train barrier on one side is stuck and cars/busses/trucks backed up as far as the eye can see. But its a one way street and the other side is wide open, nothing stoppping people just drive to the left ...
chetty: people really are sheeps
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op
mircea_popescu: not so unlike sharing privkeys from a purely bitcoin perspective
mircea_popescu: cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it.
mircea_popescu: the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is.
mircea_popescu: jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe
mircea_popescu: r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else.
mircea_popescu: this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole.
mircea_popescu: the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it.
nubbins`: <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit
saifedean: "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer...
mircea_popescu: now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad.
saifedean: But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't!
mike_c: which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization?
saifedean: "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal.
mike_c: placebocin is the best drugz
mircea_popescu: saifedean you'll generally find poor people foods are better than "rich people" foods.
saifedean: also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you.
mike_c: pork & rice & beans even better
mircea_popescu: srsly, that's your idea, instead of a nice pot of beans cooked with a smoked leg over a day and a night
mircea_popescu: mike_c i dun care for rice in that one, but hey, matter of ethnocentric taste.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw,
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mircea_popescu: technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so.
nubbins`: fad diets are a pretty good lel
mircea_popescu: as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too"
nubbins`: p just started keeping track of calories in/out and balancing carbs/protein/fat
nubbins`: it's been less than a year, she can deadlift her own body weight and has dropped ~30lbs :0
nubbins`: i keep saying i won't be impressed til she can deadlift me, but secretly... ;p
nubbins`: there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets
mircea_popescu: but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight
nubbins`: you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up
nubbins`: i'd wager maybe three people in here can do a single chin-up
mircea_popescu: i thought you got all buthurt and pankake'd out on us, mr paleo man.
saifedean: heh... my butt is hurtproof, my internet connection, though
nubbins`: well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us
nubbins`: anyway, try deadlifting your own weight on a barbell some time
saifedean: I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork.
nubbins`: saifedean pork is delicious and cheap
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ?
saifedean: though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all
nubbins`: avg sack of shit would prolly poison you
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia.
nubbins`: well i guess it's not the same thing at all then, is it :D
mircea_popescu: but technique is not what i thought we were discussing here.
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nubbins`: if we're trying to equate chinups with deadlifts, technique is precisely what we're discussing
mircea_popescu: i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit
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saifedean: 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum
nubbins`: (a) in awe, yep (b) not even close
nubbins`: by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom
nubbins`: by eating like a normal person and not "paleo" (wtf!) she lost weight
mircea_popescu: saifedean if i add mah assassin cult to nubbins`'s here powerlifter chick, art vandalay guy is in a world of trouble.
nubbins`: but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together
nubbins`: if god wanted you to eat cooked meat, he woulda installed a furnace in your throat
nubbins`: er wait did paleo man have fire?
ben_vulpes: reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
nubbins`: did he have beef, pork, and chicken?
saifedean: hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult
nubbins`: so really, a paleo diet is raw squirrel meat, berries, occasional leaves for roughage
nubbins`: sounds totally healthy and easy for modern man to adapt to
mircea_popescu: anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal.
mircea_popescu: they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade.
saifedean: nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works
nubbins`: "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1.
nubbins`: saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth
mircea_popescu: saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent.
nubbins`: "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time
mircea_popescu: otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says"
nubbins`: you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill?
saifedean: nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly
nubbins`: and thye kept doing it and now i can eat pizza with impunity?
nubbins`: saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction
mircea_popescu: saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ?
nubbins` challenges himself to eliminate sourdough from diet
nubbins`: wait, that's retarded. no i don't.
mircea_popescu: but it'd be a challenge! and you're like, a 15 yo male.
saifedean: mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting.
nubbins`: i think i'm fat because i lead a sedentary lifestyle
nubbins`: but hey, tall skinny guys get pushed around
mircea_popescu: saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for.
saifedean: that's a good start, but you need to also eat lots of animal fat, which is absolutely very good for you.. and you need to view doing carbs like an addiction, not a healthy food.
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mircea_popescu: i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even!
nubbins` gazes at meat grinder, fridge full of shoulder, lack of potatoes in cupboard
nubbins`: tell me more about how to be healthy
saifedean: finally, "speaking of which, do paleo guys also fuck paleo ?" < Absolutely, once you've tried a carbs-free girl, you'll never go back!
mircea_popescu: your analogy is broken, you don't eat 150k year old meat, so you don't eat paleo in THAT sense.
mircea_popescu: what i meant is, do you fuck like a paleo guy, if you try to eat like one.
saifedean: you should never fuck vegetarians. your should eat vegetarians.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu acetone-breath from ketogenic diet? i'd say he does.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes canadian television, it's uh, a thing
mircea_popescu: for maximum trollage points, that pua "executive executant" derp should rebrand his nonsense as paleo dating
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mircea_popescu: now THAT'd be true scandal. hollyday derp has nfi how to "strategize", you don't attack large submissive groups like women. you attack small but desperate groups.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot.
saifedean: well, my personal experience is that it does make a big difference to one's sex life... it raises testosterone levels beyond what is considered 'normal' levels today
mircea_popescu: saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ?
saifedean: no, you get to do more for your cock
mircea_popescu: so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ?
saifedean: that's a prerequisite for going paleo
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops.
mircea_popescu: it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt"
mircea_popescu: dollar took a nosedive to like 11s, almost what it was in spring.
ben_vulpes: more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
mircea_popescu: well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves
mircea_popescu: most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought.
mircea_popescu: and in today's funny spanish por gringos : one way to say butt in spanish is... tonel. literally, tun.
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mircea_popescu: (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway)
nubbins`: i suppose the tun and the butt are in it
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mircea_popescu: more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons.
mircea_popescu: basically stuff is selected for that "does no harm" in a particularly short sighted definition of "no".
mircea_popescu: i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another.
mircea_popescu: much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight,
mircea_popescu: the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in particular statins are an excellent example of this insanity.
mircea_popescu: "want to destroy your kidneys over 3 or so decades while curing yourself from something that's allegedly bad ? pay us 1k a year!"
BingoBoingo: Well cholesterol controlling medication has gone through this for a few generations already.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?"
mircea_popescu: people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance.
mircea_popescu: that's a third of the us economy, and about 30% of the eu.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies
BingoBoingo: tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject.
BingoBoingo: The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death"
mircea_popescu: the notion of taking a pill a day for the rest of your life however ...
mircea_popescu: but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing.
BingoBoingo: Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though...
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TomServo: Quite the ramp today. Surprised ThickAsTheives isn't around for all this action.
BingoBoingo: Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump
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BingoBoingo: Wat, I just earned 0.1 BTC for reading Trilema, Vexual edition.
BingoBoingo: The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work
punkman: maybe I should setup RSS plugin for notarybot
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saifedean: What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin?
thestringpuller: they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on)
nubbins`: two days ago i realized i'd been waiting a month and a half for 18 unfiltered uv tubes from acklands-grainger
nubbins`: "fuck those assholes, i'm buying from somewhere else"
nubbins`: today i get an email saying my bulbs have arrived :0
nubbins`: neither that good nor that old
hanbot: nubbins wanna see my complaint dept? :D
thestringpuller: i would assume that is just a box that leads to a shredder
hanbot: nah, gotta have souring agents to make good pickles
nubbins`: was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide?
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hanbot: ha! color me flattered
hanbot: mp oughta be goaded into making moar writing contests, they're fun
hanbot: a far worthier prize then than that 5 btc!
mircea_popescu: Re: "done with consensus decisionmaking", "war", "rearguard battles" [was: Re: REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling] << bwhahaha
mircea_popescu: anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world.
mircea_popescu: therein included, stuff that merely promises the possibility of it, such as debian.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait.
mircea_popescu: what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff"
mircea_popescu: the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V,
mircea_popescu: Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re
mircea_popescu: main united. Those caught tonight in violation of curfew will be considered in league with our enemy and prosecuted as a terrorist without leniency or exception. Tonight, I give you my most solemn vow: that justice will be swift, it will be righteous, and it will be without mercy.
mircea_popescu: now, if it actually also worked, it may count for something. it doesn't work, so i guess it's good for lulz.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420
mircea_popescu: it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c
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mircea_popescu: which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards.
mircea_popescu: what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready.
mircea_popescu: but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online.
thestringpuller: i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be:
mircea_popescu: ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading.
mircea_popescu: in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally.
mircea_popescu: at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side.
thestringpuller: i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot.
mircea_popescu: -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */
mircea_popescu: 67-static const unsigned int LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD = 500000000; // Tue Nov 5 00:53:20 1985 UTC
mircea_popescu: it passed in 2001, it would allow sane biteshifts etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila
mircea_popescu: by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier :
mircea_popescu: this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins.
mircea_popescu: back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia
mircea_popescu: the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar.
mircea_popescu: soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin.
mircea_popescu: as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia.
mircea_popescu: so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam,
mircea_popescu: and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, methotrexate is used as an abortifacent, notwithstanding that ethacridine lactate is cheaper, can be used without needing a hospital visit and much safer.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction.
mircea_popescu: who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves.
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (107 milliseconds), mpex.ws (107 milliseconds), mpex.bz (107 milliseconds), mpex.co (114 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (474 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
jurov: yes, it's limited to mpex.ws
jurov: will also mail you anoother problem ina minute
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nubbins`: why do i have to send the letter, i wrote the damn thing
jurov: i can send the patches myself but did not looked into them yet
jurov: so just posting them with my sig would be rather bad precedent
jurov: and where are they?
mircea_popescu: he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ?
jurov: yes this is how i fucking did it
jurov: it jsut needs to be fed the fuking emails
nubbins`: do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days
jborkl_: I was looking for any practical advice on monetizing my site, did not know if any of you had some (advice) on this matter?
mike_c: jborkl_: throw up a bitbet ad with your referral address.
nubbins`: ooo i just found 100 sheets of paper i didn't know i had
jborkl_: i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c
mike_c: referral money is simply CPA instead of CPM (actions instead of clicks). it should do as well as traditional ads, and likely better given you don't have an ad sales team.
jborkl_: yeah, I have the chicken and the egg problem. Now I have traffic, but not know what to do with it. I concentrated so much on making it all and writing the code, I never thought what was next
jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, i need something to chew on. apparently mailman mangled the patch before saving to archive
jurov: but if you received it by email, signature is okay
jurov: are you registered?
jurov: without registration it's send only
jurov: ok. you can send other ones
jurov: that damned stuff just decided to snip newline in the end of file before archiving
jurov: and then declared signature invalid
cazalla: jborkl_, have you considered writing for qntra?
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jurov: overly eager caching
jurov: i have put amazon TurdFront (r) (tm) in front of it
jurov: it already helped the site to survive aone ddos without anyone noticing
jurov: but i'll thry to configure the timeouts shorter
jurov: mhm i got both... looked into spam?
jurov: postfix/smtp[9200]: 5DA58147C: to=<stas@loper-os.org>, relay=mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net[208.94.116.196]:25, delay=2.1, delays=0.21/0/0.46/1.4, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10027): 250 Queued on server)
jurov: nsa intercepted it
jurov: i don't parse this
jurov: you mean it works for everything else?
jurov: that's incredibly helpful, thanks
jurov: i'm out of ideas. maybe it got greylisted but then the log would say sth else
jurov: mx-fwd-1.nearlyfreespeech.net isn't your machine?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in its defense, email hasn't really worked for ~40 years now.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, how long you been using these guys ? do you know em ?
mircea_popescu: a) do you know them ? and b) can they be lured or strongarmed into taking bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform write to the owner/admin/whatever ticket system you use, tell him that i am offering $100 in bitcoin if they as much as show up here, to claim it.
novusordo: asciilifeform: what hoster are you discussing? been looking for one myself.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, i must say i am thankful to the "experts". they've got the rot so advanced by now it's sufficient to look at a site and know you're dealing with actual experts.
mircea_popescu: greatly simplifies the process and saves me a bundle of moneyz this.
novusordo: after reading some of the FAQ it sounds like they follow much of the same philosophy as tarsnap.
mircea_popescu: but speaking of which... it does sort-of tie into yest discussion asciilifeform
novusordo: but by same philosophy I meant in pricing
mircea_popescu: as long as it's an anon expert access gizmo, it should qualify neh ?
mircea_popescu: "public access" is a myth, of the same substance as the man-month.
mircea_popescu: i guess my idea reduces to "paint a brick black and pray to it" huh.
The20YearIRCloud: Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
Apocalyptic: cazalla, re your article, "once regulators and politicians control and enable the continued development of Bitcoin", they can't be that clueless, how the hell do they hope to "control the continued development" ? by sending a gavin-bis ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla did you mean to say "the article is trying to push the humorous theory" instead of "concludes" ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, that's a much better formulation
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mircea_popescu: but i'll make sure to charge a mango my digestion fees next i run into one.
mircea_popescu: as a matter of policy, it will now cost these guys 10k to get any of my business, and if they ever get into the wot i'll negrate them right off.
mircea_popescu: no emotion. i am telling the sad truth just as much : adapt or die.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not here asking random derp some favours. no matter who the derp thinks he is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31228 @ 0.00056414 = 17.617 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: im sure the mango is going to want to talk to the upstream enzymes about matters too ?
undata: asciilifeform: so sell out when you receive them via derpbase?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how do you buy things with btc that don't end up in the waterfall?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, here's a fun notion : outside of trilema credits, pretty much everything is really just facelifted paypal.
mircea_popescu: so in a sense, i'm the one thing supporting this here bitcoin economy.
cazalla: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu, i will go cry in the corner and rethink my approach
mircea_popescu: many smart people suffer from the what's his face mental issues
mircea_popescu: jesus, who was the electrician turned expert in physics again ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: seems the only option is the swap coins with someone who isn't going to put them in the waterfall :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either take the hundred offer or go to war.
mircea_popescu: "thought bitcoin is some sort of optional thing like widescreen tvs or some shit"
mircea_popescu: my reaction was subtly but essentialy different. it was "how do you expect this to work ?"
mircea_popescu: cue me in 2011 going "sorry, but unless you folks do my homework for me bitcoin sucks. i got math and rom lit."
mircea_popescu: and in any effect, i most motherfucking DEFINITELY did what told, by the people who knew
mircea_popescu: rather than try to conjure up imaginary molehils of secure superiority to take refuge upon.
mircea_popescu: this is a major blindspot of the conservative mindset : rigidity.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the spots go on the cheetah as part of what it is saved no cheetah to date.
mircea_popescu: somehow you're of worse human quality than jeff is the argument here ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48555 @ 0.00056475 = 27.4214 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: plenty of people manage to juggle a wife and a job and an insane government and still be here. i'm not one of them, as it happens, but that's neither here nor there : to condone jeffidiocy would be more of an insult to their otherwise unguilty face than i can stomach.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005676 = 3.4056 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fuck, maybe the people throwing away quarters know all about n answers you can't find on your own.
mircea_popescu: but no, because conservative mindset depends on random derp being the king of all creation. which works about as well as you'd expect, boring in the bedroom, offensive in the forum, etc.
mircea_popescu: i can also understand how half the heads populating pikes around the stronghold used to be attached to people who didn't mean to.
mircea_popescu: which is why distinction is so important and processes that enact it so useful.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway is that firmness is a quality, but rigidity a sin. the boob rule : good if made out of young woman, bad if made out of bone.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i picked out an XMas present for you early.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33941 @ 0.0005676 = 19.2649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53817 @ 0.00056186 = 30.2376 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course all of those agents were found because after seeing folate's role in cell synthesis, feeding a bunch of leukemias high dose folate was assumed to be the way. It helped the cancer so much!