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mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/201.html
assbot: #201 - A Page Right Out of History ... ( http://bit.ly/1veNave )
mircea_popescu: also not bad.
mircea_popescu: you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle.
lobbes: Took me all weekend, but I am now in control of my own IRC bouncer. Now to configure it properly...
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.84351 BTC. Current weight: 73,009.
BingoBoingo: As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate#mediaviewer/File:Methylphenidate-2D-skeletal.svg
assbot: Methylphenidate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1veP6nj )
BingoBoingo: http://web.archive.org/web/20011021072312/http://www.dyncorp-is.com/darpa/meetings/win98aug/wars.html
assbot: NT Religious Wars ... ( http://bit.ly/1veQ2Iq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00040087 = 22.4287 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: "For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPA’s customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h
BingoBoingo: ardware operating systems for naïve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows."
BingoBoingo: "This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base."
mircea_popescu: if somebody still has a twitter account, be a kitten tweet my last @maigov to see some really embarassed romanian police.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd
asciilifeform: see earlier thread re: co-morbidity etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/564951001728569344
assbot: /maigov I stumbled across this http://t.co/MbM32fRoR5
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like all three would still apply if population is u.s. soldiers ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo danke
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l000l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl/commit/ac0b3fe0 << it ?
assbot: Make use of default operator · ac0b3fe · bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSZGr )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%c8%9ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/
asciilifeform: yes, re: ^
asciilifeform: or was the pw 'we are orcs'
mircea_popescu: well guess ?
mircea_popescu: to help you guess :
asciilifeform: the latter
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/
assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQTobT )
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too.
asciilifeform: poor idiots.
asciilifeform: sparrow in microwave horn.
mircea_popescu: orly.
asciilifeform: from the story told thus far - what else.
mircea_popescu: dude, don't tell me stories. policeman thinks 120% is koshert ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here.
mircea_popescu: as they DIDNT know.
asciilifeform: or knew and had cut ?
asciilifeform: as is orcish sop ?
mircea_popescu: i know they didn't know.
mircea_popescu: i don't infer they didn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ?
mircea_popescu: i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? http://www.dgipi.ro/articole/articol.php?idarticol=1233 << this is their latest.
assbot: DGIPI - Direcția Generală de Informații și Protecție Internă ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUwfG )
mircea_popescu: rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally.
mircea_popescu: suma de 1000 lei = ~1 btc's worth.
mircea_popescu: ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police.
asciilifeform: so they'll say, in the event they say anything, that it was all a fiction ?
asciilifeform: as ru police would
asciilifeform: what am i missing here
mircea_popescu: not so simple. the chick at the end, kovesi ? she's fanatical.
mircea_popescu: and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context.
asciilifeform: sic transit gloria spam-mundi then
mircea_popescu: only impossible outcome here is, for idiot policemen to stop being defrauded like redditards.
mircea_popescu: anyway that default stuff's pretty good :D
BingoBoingo: How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61
assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/219.html not bad
assbot: #219 - Author Feedback ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYHYQ )
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: greetings
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/224.html also not bad
assbot: #224 - In the Merde For Love ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQZNUo )
BlueMeanie4: ive been making Bitcoin comics https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/563787262559678464
assbot: today's /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash comic http://t.co/xHnvs5op4G
mircea_popescu: any good ?
BingoBoingo: Another drug related mega lol http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/suboxone_could_help_heroin_addicts.html << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing
assbot: Suboxone could help heroin addicts: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxr9n )
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/228.html << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year.
assbot: #228 - Fast Freud ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxuBX )
ben_vulpes: y'all heard of kennas new scam?
BingoBoingo: No?
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which one is this ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.thecaravanserai.co/
assbot: The Caravanserai. Roam free. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxYYQ )
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28178 @ 0.00039326 = 11.0813 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube
BlueMeanie4: what are the prices for that
danielpbarron slaps BlueMeanie4 around a bit with a large putin
BlueMeanie4: do you hate america Daniel?
danielpbarron: what is america?
nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php ☟︎
assbot: #bitcoin-otc rating entry form ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR21mK )
nanotube: <nanotube> once that system is operational, integrating multiple federated databases will be trivial and will involve no trust.
nanotube: fyi, y'all^
mircea_popescu: that's cool.
mircea_popescu: federated wots best way to un-centralize this problem, i believe.
BlueMeanie4: hyporcubez
nanotube: yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen.
BingoBoingo: Reddit http://sexylosers.com/003.html
assbot: #003 - Video Girl Etchi I ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR2DsD )
TheNewDeal: Liked that bb, thanks
BlueMeanie4: a federated Wot?
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
thestringpuller: amazon is going to sue you~
thestringpuller: .~
thestringpuller: .
BlueMeanie4: so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further?
danielpbarron: it crashed?
danielpbarron: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.08, Best ask: 221.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 221.29, 24 hour volume: 18423.98029392, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 225.0, 24 hour vwap: 219.323476828
BlueMeanie4: lost more than 30% of its value
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00040567 = 34.7659 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87450 @ 0.0004068 = 35.5747 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00039038 = 18.8163 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well I think there was some Gox/China synergy.
BlueMeanie4: its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with
cazalla: BlueMeanie4, gox or bitcoin?
BlueMeanie4: then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas
mircea_popescu: !up IHB
BlueMeanie4: bitcoin
IHB: can i get some feedback on something i am writing guys?
mircea_popescu: ok
mircea_popescu: !down BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: who keeps upping the tards.
BingoBoingo up'd that one
danielpbarron: !b 10 ✂︎
assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/12T9CHJ.txt )
cazalla: IHB, i can give you some feedback on your site design instead if you like? 2.0 type shit sucks
IHB: yeah
BingoBoingo: IHB, I'll give it a read through
IHB: i am changing it
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao
cazalla: IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much
IHB: i haven't had time and lot of changes are being pushed through. was working on an api that will be launched with it. hopefully it will be useful
IHB: lol
IHB: ok, this is still a WIP, but i want to make sure i understand
IHB: @petertoddbtc @trilema @oocBlog  @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier  @fredwilson @balajis  In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it. 1. If 80% of the full nodes v
cazalla: BingoBoingo, could be worse
BingoBoingo: http://sexylosers.com/069.html
assbot: #069 - The Shit-Eating Triology II ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNFPKQ )
mircea_popescu: ihb see also
mircea_popescu: !s pogo
assbot: 111 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
BingoBoingo: IHB: That tweet is from ??? about ? hard to squeeze meaningful context into that space
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i read you have like 100k of those pogos eh
mircea_popescu: but in any case, "votes" by bs nodes with < 90% uptime is pointless.
IHB: i know i know
mircea_popescu: might as well redditvote.
IHB: i am posting a draft write now
mircea_popescu: and in any case : VOTES DO NOT MATTER.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy.,
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a consensus system.
BingoBoingo: IHB: Just remember if you post a big draft for review before going up on your site, Google index's pastebins aggressively, Dpaste not so much.
mircea_popescu: the concept of voting re bitcoin is not unlike the concept of voting re sex.
mircea_popescu: sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife.
IHB: https://ihb.io/2015-02-09/news/a87a98cb5843a28d1c494178aa8865eaf7ec1200f6966be7e4066135c9247-16259
assbot: draft • IHB News™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0fINK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00040688 = 8.6869 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/ has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link MPEx.co as the actor and particular trilema pieces justifying the MPEx position
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0g1bf )
mircea_popescu: ihb it's beyon me why you think this is publishable.
IHB: its not
mircea_popescu: as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left.
mircea_popescu: aha.
cazalla: IHB, this is your scratch pad eh?
IHB: not everyone is as talented as you when it comes to words [feces]
mircea_popescu: also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's.
BingoBoingo: he recently put a btc paywall on his personal blog. << IHB been around multiple years. Since early 2013 when I finally started talking to people.
mircea_popescu: it's in fact the first paywall on any content site on the internet.
IHB: i never ran into it until today
IHB: fo real
mircea_popescu: even so.
IHB: will amend
BingoBoingo: I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/the-new-york-times-urmeaza-exemplul-trilema/ << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall.
assbot: The New York Times urmeaza exemplul Trilema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNHvnR )
mircea_popescu: !up wpalczynski
IHB: <+mircea_popescu> i never got the address to send the .01 BTC
mircea_popescu: did you use a proper email ?
IHB: i used ihb@ihb.io
IHB: so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network?
mircea_popescu: first time i got a report like this, so mebbe wait and see ? mebbe your mail server's slow ?
IHB: won't it cost a lot of money to do that?
mircea_popescu: why would it be a miner ? it is possible for anyone.
mircea_popescu: today it's not a particularly valuable dos attack on bitcoin because whatever, 1mb blocks.
mircea_popescu: if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way.
IHB: fuck.
IHB: well, i am glad i had a reason to be confused
BingoBoingo: IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat
mircea_popescu: very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 600 * 19 / 1024
gribble: 267.1875
mircea_popescu: um neh
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 19 / 1024
gribble: 2.671875
mircea_popescu: 2.67 gb a day extra. whatever that costs, every node is stuck with it.
mircea_popescu: and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed.
IHB: i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality.
IHB: i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat
IHB: like washing machines talking to cars
IHB: and government schemes in india being run on some sort of chain
mircea_popescu: uh.
BingoBoingo: <IHB> i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain.
IHB: humans have already fucked with this planet we are in our own epoch Anthropence
cazalla: IHB, why do you want your car to talk to your washing machine instead of your wife?
mircea_popescu: the car should talk to the wife ?
mircea_popescu buys ballgag factory shares. cleary there's a future for these.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no no, wife talk to washing machine
jurov: maybe he meant carwash?
mircea_popescu: like a wife with multiple personality cazalla ?
cazalla: please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right
mircea_popescu: what's that, she pushes your buttons for you ?
mircea_popescu: jurov for lulz, masina = machine is how you say car in romanian.
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/239.html << bwahaha z80 strip poker ?
assbot: #239 - Return Without Gosub Error
BingoBoingo: jurov: Commenting out that section of main.cpp you highlighted and making a junk public alert key turned into a build of 0.8.6 that's been running fine for about 20 hours nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what z80. mos 6502.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read.
asciilifeform: then nm
asciilifeform: 6502 >> reissued! >> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mouser-6502-motorola-6800-cpu-processor,14557.html
assbot: Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor
mircea_popescu: it's kinda what attrition wars are all about.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited
asciilifeform: why BingoBoingo wants a GHz 8bit cpu?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Speed.
BingoBoingo: For some tasks bus size isn't such a big deal.
jurov: lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across
BingoBoingo: <jurov> lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this.
BingoBoingo: Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside
mircea_popescu: size doesn't matter guise.
kakobrekla: only matters if you got a big one
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech
jurov: WILL IT HASH?
mircea_popescu: hash it will!
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 342797 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51193758211.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.15753
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/243.html also not bad.
assbot: #243 - America's Testes Kitchen 1
asciilifeform: 336094.
mircea_popescu: marinate all teh birds.
kakobrekla: +15, from where
jurov: from romania, haven't you heard about Mcoin machines?
kakobrekla: ah you mean mpcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29032 @ 0.00039168 = 11.3713 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol puh leaze.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes paypal, like everyone else.
ben_vulpes: goodness.
jurov: kakobrekla i meant this: http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codruța-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/
assbot: Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal.
mircea_popescu: people could buy/sell them.
mircea_popescu: published monthly tops of ro blogs etc.
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions
bitcoinquestions: thanks man
mircea_popescu: dude, get reg'd already.
bitcoinquestions: reg'd? sorry I don't use IRC often
mircea_popescu: lately you do. and http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : http://theairridegroup.wikia.com/wiki/Shooting_Assbot
assbot: Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki
mircea_popescu: btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ?
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity
ben_vulpes: by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not THAT insta.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wasn't instant by any means, i ended up with a mile-long ninjasp4mz0r-style log from him
mircea_popescu: generally derpage doesn't get nuked until it becomes militantly stupid. bluemeanie got nuked earlier.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna need more hint
ben_vulpes: looked pretty fast from over here.
ben_vulpes: granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours.
ben_vulpes: yours'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last mention of him here you suggested might be acutely starving? Had a big guide to emacs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: xah lee
ben_vulpes: BigBitz: xah lee
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:**
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: blocksize-themed rather than cardano this time
ben_vulpes: what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs
asciilifeform: quite possibly
asciilifeform plays with his food
ben_vulpes: i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed)
asciilifeform: for me, that was enough
TheNewDeal: So this is really Samuel Clemens' material? http://trilema.com/2015/let-us-translate-from-english-to-english/
assbot: Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is actually a never-before encountered problem : text that has meaning! IN LAYERS!
mircea_popescu: text that can actually not be textually reprocessed into usable text.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes.
mircea_popescu: if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped.
TheNewDeal: That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along.
mircea_popescu: poses exactly the same problems to the poser as the wot poses to the scammer.
mircea_popescu: not mechanically approachable.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the man was talentited.
ben_vulpes: ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?
mircea_popescu: mnope
ben_vulpes: o wait you're doing orwell.
mircea_popescu: atm im doing some old comic
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do recall this
decimation: asciilifeform: how do you distinguish between 'usg agent' and 'derp who reads your website'?
mircea_popescu: he doesn't.
decimation: I guess in the end it doesn't much matter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.00085353 = 3.4141 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog" ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine his heuruistic is how they read his website
decimation: mircea_popescu: both fall into the category 'shoot'?
asciilifeform: decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...'
asciilifeform: '
decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis http://blog.chromium.org/2015/02/hello-http2-goodbye-spdy-http-is_9.html
assbot: Chromium Blog: Hello HTTP/2, Goodbye SPDY
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah he definitely exhibited that pattern. but my priors tend to 'random derp (maybe mr spam)' rather than 'usg agent'
asciilifeform: generic derps, in my experience, don't reliably snap back to one subject always
ben_vulpes: focus is expensive.
asciilifeform: and that subject is not usually block size
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MV6G16.txt )
asciilifeform: four days (?) after the philippines thing
asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' ☟︎
decimation: heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' << I don't get very many of these. You FBI file must be thicker than mine.
BingoBoingo: Or else more urgent
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was my first such
asciilifeform suspects that ben_vulpes is correct and that had someone else engaged mr moarspam earlier, he would have latched on to someone else
decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/09/kiev-s-bloody-war-is-backfiring/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbIU1W )
decimation: "Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia
decimation: to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "
decimation: lol, apparently the ukranians are fleeing the russian invaders by fleeing to ... russia
decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” P"
decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration
asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
decimation: the local villagers, not being entirely stupid, want neither to die as nato puppet nor at the hands of ru army
asciilifeform: at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word)
BingoBoingo: Transndstria
decimation: moldbug would say that this wound provides infinite employment for nulands
asciilifeform: not only.
asciilifeform: to the whole spectrum, 'red', 'blue', whatevers.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius?
decimation: no I don't think so
ben_vulpes: he was top notch.
decimation: who would bother trolling us? the chances of some derp changing anyone's opinion on matters here seems pretty low
ben_vulpes: tib was never much for changing opinions
ben_vulpes: irc judo, more like it
ben_vulpes: roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q
ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16817 << decent entrypoint ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2013 16:23:25; cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you
gribble: Current Blocks: 342801 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1934 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51100598845.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.94797
BingoBoingo: lol machine translation http://8btc.com/thread-13213-1-1.html
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/reyk/httpd/issues << This happened quickly
assbot: Issues · reyk/httpd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbLDIO )
ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tiberiusiv&start=627
assbot: 631 results for 'tiberiusiv' - #bitcoin-assets search
ben_vulpes: for the historians.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths.
BingoBoingo: Another Mr Spam in the wild http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142336024418555&w=2
assbot: 'Re: OK... how dare you both even to not publish patches...' - MARC
BingoBoingo: Seriously check srother@mercenary-security.com 's email sig out there: "Please note: The information contained in this message may be legally privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure..." Sig on a public mailing list
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Actually I've done the opposite
ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There's actually more, uglier crumbtrail.
ben_vulpes: from which spamzor?
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: mas?
BingoBoingo: See comments here ben_vulpes http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141205090350&mode=expanded
assbot: Two New Kernel Errata
Guest85903: hmm
Guest85903: I ahve to message instantly?
BingoBoingo: hello Guest85903
Guest85903: -_-
BingoBoingo: !up Guest85903
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: Who are you again?
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs
Guest85903: bitcoinquestions
Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: If you set up Xchat (or any other client) with SASL it will auth you with nickserve automatically in time
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions
BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections
Guest85903: lmao
Guest85903: bitcoinanswers maybe
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: You know... if you have Bitcoin in you personal name people take you less seriously. That's why bitcoin_pete seriously considered moving his identity to MooseCocks
Guest85903: Whereas if your name is BingoBoingo you get taken very seriously?
BingoBoingo: Anyways 6 of the right months of history is prolly the minimum to be caught up on the -Stable branch of the channel conversation. Having answers... Maybe 12-24 months?
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: History. Originally it was BingoBongo, but kakobrekla convinced me this was better.
BingoBoingo: Because time passes this is now my real name.
BingoBoingo: And sometimes I am a bit startled when people use my slave name.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: not reference to that song 'civilisation' is it?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: No idea what that is.
Guest85903: alright fuck it
BingoBoingo: Guest85903: The important part of a "Name" though is that it is now a textual match for another concept.
Guest85903: What do you mean?
BingoBoingo: My gibberish name, fine name. mircea_popescu being the Romanian equivalent of John Smith fine. "Cocksmoker404" is limiting.
BingoBoingo: Because Cocksmoker404 conveys a meaning in its text.
BingoBoingo: Other text attached to that name is going to on a quick read get a context attached to it.
danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them.
Guest85903: hmm
Guest85903: difficult choice
lobbes: perfect: Difficult_Choice
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1855MEB.txt )
Guest85903: lmao
Guest85903: alright brb
Guest85903: bitcoinquestions --> whaack please up! me when I get back
mircea_popescu: omfg i step out for pie, i come back, all the lines out of whack!
asciilifeform repaired an early 1980s soviet alarm clock today.
BingoBoingo got a new SSD in the mail today. Damn that fucker is thin.
mircea_popescu: decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it
mircea_popescu: wtf are they thinking ?
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: focus is expensive. << he is on to something.
mircea_popescu: !up whaack
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it << SPDY was Google so Open it is closed HTTP replacement no one else needed
BingoBoingo: No idea if HTTP2 is worse or not, but prolly at least as bad
whaack: ;;eregister A31A30AA659AB67C
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, moar like http 2 is basically a rushed "let's reimplement spdy"
mircea_popescu: whaack do it with assbot tho.
whaack: ;;eregister whaack A31A30AA659AB67C
gribble: Error: This key already registered in the database.
whaack: fuck
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or they were cooked different places and Google didn't get the tug on its leash early enough
whaack: I added the key for another handle is there anyway to remove it?
BingoBoingo: whaack: Have you considered the "literal" nuclear option?
mircea_popescu: !up ihb
mircea_popescu: if you didn't get teh email, ask for another one.
IHB: <+mircea_popescu>
IHB: i got it
IHB: i sent you the coin
mircea_popescu: and look in your mailserver logs see wtf is ahppening
mircea_popescu: ah k
IHB: whew
whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
IHB: dude. i really want to get into WOT
IHB: as soon things settle down with my team. i am gonna do it
mircea_popescu: "where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone" so czar's army, this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00040344 = 16.9243 BTC [+]
whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
mod6: whaack: you can pm gribble too.
whaack: apolagies
mircea_popescu: decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” << this is true. romania took in like 50k refugees.
mod6: np
mircea_popescu: being kept under wraps because whatever, can't go out saying the us caused a war atrocity and a refugee wave.
decimation: are the romanians pissed about the extra ukrainians?
mircea_popescu: decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration << it's a civilised country. if you don't break the law they don't care. if you show up at the border without proper paperwork you get fined 500 lei (~100 euro) and generally forbidden to reenter for 5 years.
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: this entire "don't let people in" is purely a welfare state thing. romania is not one.
decimation: so the romanian government explictly granted this refugee status?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: as above :)
decimation: my understanding is that ukrainians have all been granted russian citizenship anyway, if they choose to use it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: he was top notch. << not really. too much anger.
decimation: if I were some derp in a ukrainian village I think I would be on the way to whatever frontier I could manage
mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta understand, europe is europe. think texas during the 1800s, mix-y.
mircea_popescu: decimation but you are that, in that situation, and you're sitting put :)
decimation: heh perhaps
mircea_popescu: what, you think ukrainian peasant has no material or emotional properties ? just because you discount them as alien doesn't make them go away.
mircea_popescu: he loves his oak.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00040344 = 1.3515 BTC [+]
decimation: aye, I can see that
decimation: but the threat of dying for that oak has become quite real
mircea_popescu: actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84485 @ 0.00040688 = 34.3753 BTC [+]
decimation: multi-generational farms and the like?
IHB: people in india kill each other all the time over less than an oak tree
mircea_popescu: multi in the sense of 50.
decimation: in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil
decimation: some are, but they are rare
mircea_popescu: yeah well i tell you something, nobody who knew me in a pervious life ever imagined i'd leave cluj.
IHB: <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. << Amazing how in spite of it mostly being a source of minable lead Ozark folk are still more fixated on their soil
mircea_popescu: it was a joke for up until the plane left.
BingoBoingo: <IHB> <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes << Less mobile every week
mircea_popescu: less mobile more alabama ? :D
asciilifeform: in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << Only because you are on the east left coast
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> less mobile more alabama ? :D << More sweet home alabama, less freebird
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. << gtfo that's so totally not what happened.
IHB: i lived in louisiana for a while and we went to bama all the time
IHB: i like better than here in LA
mircea_popescu: i think i have a pic of me in mobile.
IHB: did you smell the pulp from the factory in mobile?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/ < there we go.
assbot: Fire in Alabama, let's make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIebCL )
IHB: hey <+mircea_popescu> why did they suspend your twitter account? how do you get suspended but ISIS is allowed to troll away
mircea_popescu: IHB actually no, there was a strike or something. they weren't going.
mircea_popescu: IHB i killed some derp.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You fucked a fort in mobile. Full of nubile ROLL TIDE cheerleaders, or at least that will be the legend in 2145
mircea_popescu: lol wut.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You for get the weather that erodes civilization... time.
lobbes: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << aye, this is what binds me. This mouse-trap cheese is so tasty
mircea_popescu: lobbes you and... all the usians here pretty much.
lobbes: maybe can get some before it slams down
mircea_popescu: say, y;all know the aesop fable of the fat mouse ?
IHB: <+mircea_popescu> too bad. his derp friends probably spent more money on his funeral than he would have derping away
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Trilema reflects you were in Alabama. When trends on reddit change suddenly they will say you fucked all of the Bama cheerleraders in a heroic battle agaisnt Condie Rice
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i can't recall who i fucked in mobile.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda hazy at this point.
asciilifeform: http://fatmouse.org << obligatory
asciilifeform: ^ legendary
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the fanfic crowd will on that doubt rewrite history.
whaack: So going back to my bitcoinquestion spree - do you guys believe the conversation in /r/bitcoin is controlled by a few people with many accounts directing an unnatural conversation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, the bitcoin jesus ?
mod6: asciilifeform: pretty long bumper sticker
BingoBoingo: whaack: To an extent, largely controlled by systemic failures in reddits mode of failing to social means
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice
mircea_popescu: srother is pretty fucking pissed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prototype knockout mice often get extreme obesity or cancer for their compelled bravery.\
mircea_popescu: Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki << this really should be in the bash lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Mice are awfully fragile. Especially when $maxint is spent knocking out something that was important
asciilifeform: esp. then.
asciilifeform: but, interestingly, even 'standard' mice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too
mircea_popescu: uh wait. it was you wasn;'t it
asciilifeform: possibly.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ << Working on a online machine migration in the near future.
asciilifeform not directly involved with mouse farming at any point
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too << Was this the lab flooded in the hurricaine?
mircea_popescu: my memory fails me.
mircea_popescu: mebbe it was bugpowder
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. << not a bad principle.
whaack: yeah
whaack: <-based on my name
BingoBoingo: whaack: Are you a winkelvii?
mircea_popescu: im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt
whaack: Yeah the shorter brother who they wouldn't let in the film :(
BingoBoingo: whaack: When did Yall move to San Jose?
BingoBoingo: Or is it a VPN?
whaack: I'm using a VPN
BingoBoingo: Ah
whaack: Because when I don't and I join this channel my internet cuts out for 30 fucking minutes
whaack: Seriously made me wanna kill something
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt << If I make my escape to the Phillipines to scoope up a handful of Azn wives I'll name the second this
mircea_popescu: i think you name their spawn, not them themselves.
mircea_popescu: whaack get a cloak.
BingoBoingo: !up whaack
whaack: mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now
mircea_popescu: whaack you can go in #freenode ask for a cloak
BingoBoingo: whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN
whaack: ah okay
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.pbfcomics.com/270/
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at Gawker Media try to infring on Trilema territory http://adequateman.deadspin.com/an-exceedingly-polite-beginners-guide-to-anal-sex-1683774847/+robharvilla
assbot: An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex
mircea_popescu: lol running out of femtalk ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly?
BingoBoingo: Then again this is the "polite" guide
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asciilifeform: ^ what is this
BingoBoingo: Go to permalink
BingoBoingo: In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post.
mircea_popescu: derp.
asciilifeform: penalty!
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo xx btc to kako beer fund
mircea_popescu: LEARN HOW TO KBD NOOB
mircea_popescu: !up BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: oh i thought you had made an infinity paste.
BingoBoingo: !up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head.
mircea_popescu: that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice.
whaack: What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22
BingoBoingo: e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b
mircea_popescu: whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful.
BingoBoingo: whaack: Well, where are you located?
whaack: NYC
BingoBoingo: Ouch
mircea_popescu: did we have anyone we needed whacked in nyc ?
whaack: financial capital of the world!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well
mircea_popescu: he's not italian even.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck';s gonna bother with him.
whaack: mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional?
mircea_popescu: no, i often speak biaccident.
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPNJZN.txt )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. >> http://sexylosers.com/089.html
assbot: #089 - Boys Night Out [3 of 4] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfmpqx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163000 @ 0.00039168 = 63.8438 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: Whilst strolling thru some summer city
danielpbarron: whaack, hey neighbor! I'm in CT
whaack: nice :)
Vexual: Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty
whaack: what part?
danielpbarron: shoreline
danielpbarron: more towards the NYC side at the moment
Vexual: Her backdoor was ajar
whaack: alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit
Vexual: So I slammed the thing hard
Vexual: Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity
Vexual: Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00039867 = 10.8438 BTC [+]
mod6: Vexual: selenium?
Vexual: Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness?
Vexual: More a motel room I guess
mod6: selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser.
Vexual: Perf testing?
Vexual: Ah
mod6: performance
Vexual: Yes
mod6: there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Disney just scored another victory today agaisnt the persistent lack of 'Murican culture http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/9/8010169/spider-man-in-marvel-movies-the-avengers
assbot: Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge
mod6: it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug*
Vexual: Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones?
mod6: selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc.
mod6: *functional
Vexual: Neato
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00039867 = 19.0166 BTC [+]
Vexual: Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center
Vexual: Peripheral vision
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hong-kong-monetary-authority-uses-mycoin-hk-debacle-to-troll-consumers/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144564 @ 0.00040574 = 58.6554 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;google Tony Larussa eye herpes
gribble: Doctor Writes That Pinkeye Is Most Certainly Not To Blame For Tony ...: <http://deadspin.com/5795015/doctor-writes-that-pinkeye-is-most-certainly-not-to-blame-for-tony-larussas-frightening-face>; La Russa's shingles are tough opponent : Sports: <http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/la-russa-s-shingles-are-tough-opponent/article_e3ca259a- (1 more message)
cazalla: BingoBoingo, beat ya to it
BingoBoingo: Ah
cazalla: well, landed on the wikipedia page first
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/565035372980490240
assbot: Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149489 @ 0.00039122 = 58.4831 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by taking it off ?
BingoBoingo: Well one way.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: Or send it somewhere unique
Vexual: !s horse outside
assbot: 0 results for 'horse outside' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=horse+outside
Vexual: $hit
Vexual: Now I can use kakos bucket shop
mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process".
mircea_popescu: somethingm along the lines of http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html
assbot: I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence.
Vexual: Lol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus
mircea_popescu: "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues"
mircea_popescu: sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter.
Vexual: ! Baidu horse outside
BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/usa/230759-cnn-us-troops-ukraine/
Vexual: Whats happening in Ukraine? I've limited bandwidth
Vexual: Qntra got a world affairs tab yet?
BingoBoingo: Ish
Vexual: ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00040615 = 42.8894 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215012 @ 0.00041036 = 88.2323 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Looks like it
BingoBoingo: !up beetcoin
BingoBoingo: !up hktud0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00039189 = 20.0452 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00039189 = 22.2594 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47315 @ 0.00039045 = 18.4741 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: cazalla: a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit << maybe http://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Edge-Nonstick-Brownie-Pan/dp/B000MMK448
assbot: Amazon.com: Baker's Edge Nonstick Edge Brownie Pan: Novelty Cake Pans: Kitchen & Dining ... ( http://bit.ly/16KCyhm )
punkman: or DIY with thick foil/sheet metal
punkman: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=44437.0
assbot: Hac (Pilgrimage) - First-Person Adventure W/ Focus on Interaction ... ( http://bit.ly/16KE7vA )
punkman: "a pilgrimage through 1990
punkman: 1990's Europe, in a low-poly Trabant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00039219 = 64.9074 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/nyregion/stream-of-foreign-wealth-flows-to-time-warner-condos.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedOed )
cazalla: punkman, that's a start!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00039326 = 41.2136 BTC [+]
BigBitz: ben_vulpes: Not sure what you mean?
cazalla: http://www.mweb.co.za/games/ViewNewsArticle/tabid/2549/Article/18116/Gamer-faces-five-years-in-prison-for-Swatting.aspx
assbot: Gamer faces five years in prison for Swatting > Gamezone > View News Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deg98N )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9crB74IAAAe3TV.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeiCA4 )
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/06/books/enough-true-belivers-to-run-a-small-war.html
assbot: ENOUGH TRUE BELIVERS TO RUN A SMALL WAR - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfXWkP )
Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMJJIaIurs#t=604 . How are they even hooking anyone on this :o
assbot: BYXPRESS Presentation - YouTube
mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137296 @ 0.0003962 = 54.3967 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed...
Naphex: mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O
Naphex: i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence
mircea_popescu: every half serious mfa spammer has that.
Naphex: http://www.arq.ro/-byxpress-la-arad
assbot: ByXpress la Arad ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcOIIx )
Naphex: thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market
Naphex: is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots?
mircea_popescu: mlm is mostly idiots pretending. sort-of like reddit.
punkman: http://crockpotveggies.com/2015/02/09/automating-tinder-with-eigenfaces.html "Am I still using the bot? I've actually turned it off for now. Admittedly, it worked too well and started to conflict with work."
assbot: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeolpC )
Naphex: do they get busted? they use real names I assume
Naphex: and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts?
punkman: acquaintances, family, whoever
mircea_popescu: Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends".
mircea_popescu: "they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! "
Naphex: yeah but they just send it upwards
Naphex: which is even more retard it
mircea_popescu: as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these.
mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself.
mircea_popescu: kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable.
mircea_popescu: this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive.
mircea_popescu: and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree.
chetty: Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex?
mircea_popescu: people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex.
mircea_popescu: something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3
mircea_popescu: clearly smart/complexity -> inf.
mircea_popescu: -> 0 *
mircea_popescu: (the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality)
chetty: well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ?
mircea_popescu: but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval.
punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s,
mircea_popescu: it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before
mircea_popescu: punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam.
mircea_popescu points to http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ because it's illustrative of the concept. a global village is probably better than the current metastatic urban sprawl.
assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DepwFw )
mircea_popescu: imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups".
chetty: may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility
mircea_popescu: no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police.
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
CoraCrisT: thanks, Mircea
mircea_popescu: cheers.
mircea_popescu: punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism.
mircea_popescu: "he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux"
punkman: mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough
mircea_popescu: punkman robots.
mircea_popescu: you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ?
punkman: doesn't take much to feed them
mircea_popescu: currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really.
mircea_popescu: the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ?
mircea_popescu: take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np.
CoraCrisT: :)))))))))
chetty: no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates?
mircea_popescu: global VILLAGE.
CoraCrisT: and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world
punkman: friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: no more need for make work jobs ? robots.
mircea_popescu: i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand.
mircea_popescu: and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically
CoraCrisT: becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;))
mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean
mircea_popescu: what's it called. the little derpy robot guy
punkman: hard to replace human repairman with robot currently
mircea_popescu: only because so dense.
CoraCrisT: hmm.. i would disagree
mircea_popescu: once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do.
CoraCrisT: robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs
punkman: because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it
mircea_popescu: there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go.
CoraCrisT: also robots can do things humans can`t
mircea_popescu: punkman yes, but those things don't have to matter.
CoraCrisT: imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :)
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not"
CoraCrisT: fukushima robo cleaners
mircea_popescu: very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan.
chetty: actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them
mircea_popescu: you can fight the war so as to suit the cnc mill
mircea_popescu: which is fundamentally the point of ww2.
mircea_popescu: chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes also don't take much to buy.
mircea_popescu: dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story.
mircea_popescu: it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67102 @ 0.00040104 = 26.9106 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol this is funny.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam"
gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>
mircea_popescu: ;;google Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam
gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20>; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: <http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm>; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: <http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113094 @ 0.00040228 = 45.4955 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: CoraCrisT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M28fAPHl4 << tine acolo la caz ca ajung astia aradenii bogati. nu se stie.
assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep6.Paralele - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPvYEt )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/futurology-or-the-very-scary-story-of-how-doomed-you-are/
punkman: related: "Indonesia has formally complained to Malaysia over an advert for a robot vacuum cleaner which told consumers to "Fire your Indonesian maid now"." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31143198
assbot: BBC News - 'Fire your Indonesian maid' advert sparks row with Malaysia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPyQRP )
mircea_popescu: !up karcano
mircea_popescu: unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest.
mircea_popescu: Little Loli : Deep, deeper, ouch!
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/genderbendin-lulz/
mircea_popescu: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/food-blogger-plunges-to-his-death-from-roof-of-coq-dargent/ar-AA9cZDM?ocid=mailsignoutmd
assbot: Food blogger plunges to his death from roof of Coq D'Argent ... ( http://bit.ly/16Lz3qZ )
mircea_popescu: they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ?
mircea_popescu: https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/final-message-thank-you-everyone/
assbot: Final Message… thank you everyone… | @wilkes888 - London based Food & Drink-o-phile ... ( http://bit.ly/16LzDFh )
punkman: lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men are as follows."
mircea_popescu: "Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.
mircea_popescu: Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing.
mircea_popescu: If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place.
mircea_popescu: Even among losers, there’s hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around."
mircea_popescu: sadly i dun think it's ever getting approved.
mircea_popescu: "I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D
danielpbarron: the guy's name was "boozedude" ..
danielpbarron: kinda like bitcoindude
mircea_popescu: "I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137135 @ 0.00039644 = 54.3658 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: http://wkbn.com/2015/02/05/niles-cop-disciplined-after-questionable-traffic-stop/
assbot: Niles cop back on the job; report found he threatened couple | WKBN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/16OEENu )
ben_vulpes: "questionable"
ben_vulpes: http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/02/09/apple-has-93-of-mobile-profits-650m-users-by-2018-says-canaccord/ << hard not to read this as "apple mobile users dumbest in the room"
assbot: Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits; 650M Users by 2018, Says Canaccord - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPQdBP )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00040302 = 1.1792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76012 @ 0.00040303 = 30.6351 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: "Yes, and it reaches this point over 100 years from now." << i don't like to think of the future cause i'll be dead, let my children deal with the problem.
thestringpuller: love these pseudo arguments. better entertainment than television
nubbins`: 100 years? that's like forever
nubbins`: so what if the garbage will catch fire after i throw a lit cigarette in? i'm already on my way out of the building.
nubbins`: Parking brake? But I'm not in the car anymore!
jurov: thestringpuller what do you quote?
jurov: *did
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0;all
assbot: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195ru0b )
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/masters-of-parallel-universes.html << orlol
assbot: ClubOrlov: Masters of Parallel Universes ... ( http://bit.ly/195rNrH )
asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 342880 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1855 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49234655973.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.75064
asciilifeform: 337149.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.msg10362163#msg10362163
assbot: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195slOf )
nubbins`: ^^ o.O
nubbins`: not sure if srs
nubbins`: suspect it is
asciilifeform: nubbins`: gag
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: prolly just a lel actually
asciilifeform: inexpensive lol
nubbins`: i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time
jurov: it comes with robot to manipulate these floppies
PeterL: ;; later tell mircea_popescu is there no report for F.DERP for january?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/
assbot: Bitnodes Incentive Program - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/195sO2R )
nubbins`: jurov oh! like those cd replicators
nubbins`: couple servo arms
nubbins` nods
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change
nubbins`: are you talking about the .foundation now? XD
asciilifeform: the phoundation
asciilifeform: which appears to sponsor the 'bitnodes' thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28143 @ 0.00040766 = 11.4728 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42349 @ 0.00039866 = 16.8829 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: o rly!
nubbins` scrolls down, sees logo
nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road
nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: like blood donations, this is probably not the kind of thing you want to pay for and end up seeing done by folks who need the money.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: alf, you're a sage
asciilifeform: at least not until 'torrent-like' sync mechanism for bitcoind
asciilifeform: at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects
nubbins`: .foundation torrent might work, but it'd be janky
nubbins`: throw a fresh torrent up weekly
asciilifeform: it has to be a built-in mechanism
nubbins`: leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish
nubbins`: not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start
asciilifeform: it isn't the start for anything you want
nubbins`: download your Genuine .Foundation Blockchain today
asciilifeform: manually dropping in blockchains is... ick
nubbins`: someone'll do it, if not us!
nubbins`: but you're right
nubbins`: imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins`: i guess my pogoplug will arrive this week?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00040766 = 32.5517 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents
nubbins`: 5 tabs of info about tunneling diodes... "oh, wait, i was reading an article"
asciilifeform: re: pogo: i have a cross-compile setup of netbsd for pogo (run on any reasonable unix) working
asciilifeform: except for the ramdisk
asciilifeform: (netbsd's cross-build system is buggy as all hell, and it may turn out that i'm the only one trying to use it in anger presently)
asciilifeform: ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash
asciilifeform: not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily
asciilifeform: thing will be snarfed from nand by 'u-boot' on powerup, same as linux kernel presently is, and then run
jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it
asciilifeform: if sata drive found, then looks for blockchain on it, sets as datadir
asciilifeform: if not found - formatted
asciilifeform: *blockchain not found
asciilifeform: if drive not found, red led blinks.
asciilifeform: that's more or less it.
asciilifeform: jurov: castrato clients are uninteresting
jurov: but the bootstrap file itself is pretty harmless. just blocks, nothing else
jurov: and when the torent is updated, it is only appended to
thestringpuller: jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogl1ke << some redditard
thestringpuller: https://appsto.re/us/QI_74.i << so someone also stole the deedbot idea?
davout: thestringpuller: the idea of timestamping stuff in the blockchain is as old as bitcoin
davout: oh, a romanian camel dude
mircea_popescu: PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement
mircea_popescu: davout wait wut ?!
thestringpuller: davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.
thestringpuller: Oh hey the romanian camel d00d!
thestringpuller: Who opposes the blocksize limit cause he can't get laid.
thestringpuller: And doesn't have any money.
thestringpuller: ~_~
nubbins`: thestringpuller "stole"? o.O
thestringpuller: nubbins`: I was being facetious!
nubbins`: faseeshus
thestringpuller: :(
mircea_popescu: faces r us ?!
nubbins`: faces while u wait
mircea_popescu: so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie.
mircea_popescu: this is why i oppose change.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit?
thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien ☟︎
gribble: Second breakfast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_breakfast>; J.R.R. Tolkien - The Hobbit: Second Breakfast Day: 21st September ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1024039-second-breakfast-day-21st-september>; Popular items for second breakfast on Etsy: <https://www.etsy.com/market/second_breakfast>
nubbins`: i had coffee and two homemade cookies
mircea_popescu: 2 lemonade nookies > homemade cookies !
mircea_popescu: that dumb thread seriously still going ?
mircea_popescu: eh, nm, what am i asking.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68696 @ 0.00041054 = 28.2025 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days".
mircea_popescu: do they ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041157 = 29.3655 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/charles-mansons-fiancee-wanted-to-marry-him-for-his-corpse-source/
assbot: Charles Manson’s fiancée wanted to marry him for his corpse: source | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/195FtTr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00040108 = 21.9792 BTC [-]
nubbins`: woop!
nubbins`: dem parameter locks!!
nubbins`: (incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4738 @ 0.00081347 = 3.8542 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.
TomServo: http://ownme.ipredator.se/
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TomServo: Interesting concept there.
mircea_popescu: basically a dice game amirite ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins`
nubbins`: dem tools
mircea_popescu: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00041416 = 45.6611 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: mircea_popescu: read on, it is NOT blockchain
jurov: it's just a bag of blocks
nubbins`: !
nubbins`: fun
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: why not a bag of dicks, while at it.
nubbins`: lego style
nubbins`: what will YOU build
nubbins`: !b 19 ✂︎
assbot: Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KX2T38.txt )
nubbins`: fuck!
mircea_popescu: only underage bashes accepted.
nubbins`: dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/
thestringpuller: lol the quarterly reports are coming out
thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days? ☟︎
chetty: never
thestringpuller: Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vf5xs/deathandtaxes_has_a_brilliant_posting_on_the/ << more whining and machinations of flailing arms
thestringpuller: much more noisy death than most animals.
thestringpuller: so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?"
thestringpuller: We should just take their money by running old nodes.
thestringpuller: LOL they are already doing it!!!
thestringpuller: "Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped."
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month
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mircea_popescu: der[/
mircea_popescu: derp*
mircea_popescu: this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now.
nubbins`: there are people who would do this for a buck a month
mircea_popescu: there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks
mircea_popescu: not in ohio, of course, but nevertheless.
ben_vulpes: how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?
ben_vulpes: is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: exactly like the us counterparts.
mircea_popescu: except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.
ben_vulpes: "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.
mircea_popescu: except it's not. mpex also in that room.
mircea_popescu: "cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour
ben_vulpes: these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.
mircea_popescu: in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman
mircea_popescu: her name's monetization, and that's the whole story.
mircea_popescu: it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.
mircea_popescu: it's not true that it meant in this context.
asciilifeform: usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory
mircea_popescu: that.
mircea_popescu: for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.
mircea_popescu: i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.
mircea_popescu: not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00041521 = 16.2762 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that
mircea_popescu: we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'."
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
asciilifeform: '...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?
mircea_popescu: "we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.
mircea_popescu: the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.
mircea_popescu: the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code.
asciilifeform: in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason
mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file ☟︎
mircea_popescu: or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.
mircea_popescu: fuck em. best logic ever.
mircea_popescu: oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?
mircea_popescu: help me rwanda.
mircea_popescu: notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which this ?
mircea_popescu: let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
mircea_popescu: so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.
asciilifeform: phoundation.
asciilifeform: if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)
mircea_popescu: yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.
mircea_popescu: and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.
asciilifeform: nsa can always donationwash another or ten.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.
nubbins`: seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string
mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
mircea_popescu: an' so...
nubbins`: would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?
mircea_popescu: if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.
nubbins`: well, y'know the next step
mircea_popescu: if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!
nubbins`: web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"
nubbins`: make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, sure.
mircea_popescu: anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code
nubbins`: didn't stop em before
nubbins`: anyway, mark my words
nubbins`: if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string
mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
nubbins`: they're doing it to push the first block of a fork
mircea_popescu: this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.
mircea_popescu: which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.
nubbins`: i'll put a pin in this, too ^
mircea_popescu: "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."
mircea_popescu: such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you.
mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty
nubbins`: "Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%"
nubbins`: :0
NewLiberty: Sidechains during a hard fork...
mircea_popescu: and a bottle o' queef gas.
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-p4EzWDiE
assbot: Whitesnake - Slide it in - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ahr2pT )
mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin
beetcoin: wow, I have voice.
ben_vulpes: are you amazed?
beetcoin: pretty much.
beetcoin: I'm not in the WoT yet.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/epic-v-dhs-15-0210.pdf << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhvHIk )
Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vfwx8/bitcoin_core_dev_patrick_strateman_petertodd_is_a/
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Naphex: so much fiteing on reddit nowadays
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give it a read
mircea_popescu: Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)
mircea_popescu: and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.
mircea_popescu: ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated phantomcircuit
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mircea_popescu: ;;everify mircea_popescu
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b4adb22156bc3560f7f16c899dd2896a9af5c26d90b4c8cf345a6562
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
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mircea_popescu: fucktards.
mircea_popescu: "oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".
Naphex: >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!
mircea_popescu: Naphex seriously. one line of python.
mircea_popescu: because "security experts" codes in production.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on trilema
thestringpuller: fucking << don't work in trilema
thestringpuller: cause html or something
mircea_popescu: lol well yes.
thestringpuller: i blame asciilifeform
thestringpuller: jk
mircea_popescu: ok i delete the first two keep the last ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea
thestringpuller: thx :D
mircea_popescu: answer't/
BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
danielpbarron: 0.7.2 stops at block 150`000 or something
danielpbarron: which makes bootstrapping useless
mircea_popescu: torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway.
mircea_popescu: what's next, usagi's privkey generation services ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"
mircea_popescu: otherwise absolutely.
mircea_popescu: funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.
mircea_popescu: it almost looks engineered by now.
nubbins`: set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers
nubbins`: as a percentage of average download speed, i guess
mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin
beetcoin: Thanks.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse.
mircea_popescu: you end up throwingaway bw.
beetcoin: I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".
beetcoin: not that I necessarily disagree,
mircea_popescu: you should prolly read the logs eh.
nubbins`: beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while
nubbins`: perhaps the forseeable future
ben_vulpes: "should not scale" << heh.
ben_vulpes: such unexamined assumptions.
beetcoin: maybe those aren't the best words
beetcoin: I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read
asciilifeform: i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.
ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
mircea_popescu: now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"
mircea_popescu: one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.
nubbins`: man's still gotta eat brekkies 8)
danielpbarron: whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design.
beetcoin: what role should bitcoin play then?
danielpbarron: what role does gravity play?
beetcoin: well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'
beetcoin: but humans can't really change gravity
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!
danielpbarron: exactly
beetcoin: it's good enough
ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
ben_vulpes: it ain't broke
ben_vulpes: don't fuck with it.
mircea_popescu: <beetcoin> but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
beetcoin: bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though
mircea_popescu: it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it.
mircea_popescu: for ANY value of you.
mircea_popescu: i just said it wasn't invented lol.
beetcoin: okay, so it has changed since its discovery
mircea_popescu: notrly.
beetcoin: fundamentally, it hasn't
beetcoin: but a number of forks have occurred
mircea_popescu: you might need to go do some reading.
mircea_popescu: if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.
danielpbarron: one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed
mircea_popescu: we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
mircea_popescu: in spite of it having been - temporarily - longer.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/mwlauthor/status/565196442789507072
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ever wonder how he could afford that /
beetcoin: a fork is not impossible in principle
mircea_popescu: one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?
beetcoin: if enough people wanted to, it could happen
ben_vulpes: in practice, however.
mircea_popescu: beetcoin and you know this how ?
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: not "enough" people.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy
ben_vulpes: the right people.
mircea_popescu: what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.
beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: its a rule of the universe.
beetcoin: it just does what it wants then
mircea_popescu: quite.
danielpbarron: man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"
ben_vulpes: Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings
mircea_popescu: now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay".
mircea_popescu: so... new set of memes for the new set of retards.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.
asciilifeform: those being ours.
mircea_popescu: only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order.
mircea_popescu: otherwise pointless.
asciilifeform: well yes.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: any of you try 'micro-ecc' yet ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48540 @ 0.00041332 = 20.0626 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: punkman ? ben_vulpes ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00041267 = 11.7611 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/
assbot: DC Court of Appeal Upholds Redaction of Protocol to Shutdown Wireless Networks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5szey )
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/
mircea_popescu: " two damns on the US-Mexico border" ?
BingoBoingo: fxd, mispelling due to habit
asciilifeform: question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?
asciilifeform: the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.
asciilifeform: open sores.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup http://fetlife.com
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gribble: http://fetlife.com is up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.
asciilifeform: thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78019 @ 0.00041104 = 32.0689 BTC [-] {2}
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asciilifeform: and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind
nubbins`: lel @ fetlife
mircea_popescu: i thought i broke it.
BingoBoingo: If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile
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diametric: magic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two
BingoBoingo: Or week...
asciilifeform: kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons...
asciilifeform: not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick'
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mod6: asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work?
asciilifeform: mod6: nothing involving netbsd's 'make' - 'nbmake' - works.
BingoBoingo: "Everyone loves Raymond" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00457.html
assbot: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wcRI )
asciilifeform: mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (sys.mk).' in all cases.
asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.
mircea_popescu: want me to find the log ref for you ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.
mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!"
mircea_popescu: it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation
mod6: asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4
assbot: Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wW9j )
mod6: not sure if that helps at all.
asciilifeform: 'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ?
asciilifeform: mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' build.sh process spits out.
mod6: hmm.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia ☟︎
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asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.
asciilifeform: gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.
asciilifeform: the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.
asciilifeform: thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.
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asciilifeform: can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1D045X0
assbot: dpaste: 1D045X0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Ax7k )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/jeb-bush-document-dump-identity-theft-risk/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $home ? "D
asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss' ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.
mircea_popescu: o righjt
mircea_popescu: "Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D
mircea_popescu: oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00472.html
assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5BRao )
mircea_popescu: probably more notable, https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00498.html
assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5C1P4 )
mircea_popescu: "As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."
asciilifeform: mask fell off.
asciilifeform: open challenge to rms? the latter will remove the gnome if he has any balls left
mircea_popescu: he hasnot so far done so.
mircea_popescu: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00598.html << best irony award
assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5CyQZ )
mircea_popescu: what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed.
mircea_popescu: metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc.
asciilifeform: almost like there's a script, aha.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/
Naphex: mircea_popescu: lmao http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/620xX/Feb2015/61633021.jpg :D
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5EMjk )
mircea_popescu: aha ?
hanbot: bingoboingo "pretty patters" > patterns
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters
BingoBoingo: With your acid rain metaphore
mircea_popescu: patterns
mircea_popescu: odd how that ~degraded~ gracefully huh
asciilifeform: anyone with ideas re: resolving the 'sys.mk' retardation, speak.
asciilifeform: netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mailing list?
mircea_popescu: btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?
asciilifeform: and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is.
asciilifeform: i'm taking a forced break, simply have no time presently
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FIEk )
asciilifeform: and yes, esr was a barnacle on 'foss' from day one. authored inconsequential crap, claiming to be 'contributor'; attached his name to 'jargon file' historical book, having added various bogus entries; etc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such
mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy with the catedral anbd bazaar book ?
asciilifeform: yes, him
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/deb-ian << Particularly related
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danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo? ☟︎
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: linux kernel and minimal userland are massive compared to netbsd
danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 << absolutely not. node must be self-contained and able to format a brand-new disk entirely on its own, when plugged in.
danielpbarron: ohh..
danielpbarron: right :/
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached)
danielpbarron: is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo?
danielpbarron: i have its source
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly.
danielpbarron: i haven't tried it yet
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit.
danielpbarron: so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true.
danielpbarron: i like your high standards :D
danielpbarron: i so wish that programmer castle school existed
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want?
asciilifeform: it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.
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danielpbarron: well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution
asciilifeform: and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus.
danielpbarron sighs
asciilifeform: shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec.
mircea_popescu: one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.
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