BlueMeanie4: just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.
BlueMeanie4: tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 that's fairly uncontroversial.
BlueMeanie4: maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed
undata: I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too
undata: watching people "protest" in Portand over #fergie was a joke
undata: *land
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, and you want them in the wot???
BlueMeanie4: i think there is a long term plan to break down america
BlueMeanie4: this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years
BlueMeanie4: everyone accept this at this point
undata: the thing that comes after it will be worse.
undata: I'm certain of that
BlueMeanie4: undata, oh im sure about that
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.
BlueMeanie4: true true
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.
BlueMeanie4: youre never one to hold back on graphic imagry
mircea_popescu: the important point here isn't that such plans exist, as they always do.
mircea_popescu: the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.
BlueMeanie4: ya but its getting so obvious at this point, many ppl are like- ok whats going to happen now, total breakdown?
undata: that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource
undata: someone's going to grab that
mircea_popescu: time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.
mircea_popescu: i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,
mircea_popescu: but i shan't be denied again.
BlueMeanie4: just the low level morons will get hung
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the low level morons might escape, maybe
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.
mircea_popescu: if they find a tyorne.
BlueMeanie4: MP: ever seen these videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg
assbot: Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPDDkU )
BlueMeanie4: its edgy but wow, explains a lot if true
mircea_popescu: i dun watch videos.
BlueMeanie4: only IRC
asciilifeform seen. snore.
BlueMeanie4: its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you
BingoBoingo: Spurious meaningless hash: e2686815cd46d6fe0b4212349238868cd8646cda
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: You phone has a camera?
BlueMeanie4: meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf is this.
BlueMeanie4: actually no, i have a clamshell
BlueMeanie4: when did romania collapse exactly?
BingoBoingo: I alternate between clamshell and candybar with a keyboard for texting bitches
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: Americans are about to get a taste of all this
BlueMeanie4: mostly for the first time in their lives
BlueMeanie4: they've lived in uber-affluence for decades
asciilifeform: taste of what?
asciilifeform: of collapse? plenty savouring the taste as we speak.
asciilifeform: 'you will not know that collapse has happened until it happens to you.' (orlov)
undata: I don't buy that our primary enemy isn't our own CIA.
asciilifeform: !s meta-nsa
assbot: 34 results for 'meta-nsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meta-nsa
BlueMeanie4: i like Orlov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re hyalus flexibile (there's no such thing as flexile, and vitreus -a -um is an adjective in latin, directly mapping on vitreous) : http://www.poezie.ro/index.php/poetry/13925568/index.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPEiCP )
BlueMeanie4: he wrote this great article on 'dofenism' one of my favs
undata: they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,
BlueMeanie4: something like that ya
mircea_popescu: king takes stairs away.
BingoBoingo: More spurious hash: ce0f9ddab79c55d0b8ca31252e4f49f262be90b7
mircea_popescu: undata how do you define "primary" ? closest ?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 dec 1989
asciilifeform: ;;google vitrum flexile
gribble: New Flexible Glass Will Significantly Reduce The Cost Of Solar ...: <http://www.industrytap.com/new-flexible-glass-will-significantly-reduce-the-cost-of-solar-panels/11739>; “Flexible” Roman Glass? | Corning Museum of Glass: <http://www.cmog.org/article/flexible-roman-glass>; Flexible glass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible_glass>
mircea_popescu: shrug.
undata: mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in
mircea_popescu: undata you know, tyrone is not your enemy.
asciilifeform: http://books.google.com/books?id=jIQCAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA372&lpg=PA372&dq=vitrum+flexile&source=bl&ots=ISyiWf4qVt&sig=-DRhWHSfwpu_Lis_-Nv4XBdp_X8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0ad_VKbZHsSLyATxzIGIBQ&ved=0CEsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=vitrum%20flexile&f=false
assbot: C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri xxxvii., recens. et comm ... - Pliny (the Elder.) - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcrcQ )
mircea_popescu: eh bloody hell.
BlueMeanie4: 1989? here's what we were doing http://media.giphy.com/media/xDrn9oG797R96/giphy.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcuW4 )
mircea_popescu: yeah, flexile esset works.
BlueMeanie4: the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous
BlueMeanie4: California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck
BlueMeanie4: then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here
undata: BlueMeanie4: http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/study-offshore-fault-where-big-one-originates-eerily-quiet
assbot: Study: Offshore Fault Where The 'Big One' Originates Eerily Quiet | NW News Network ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcPrK )
undata: maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)
undata: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.
mats_cd03: california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough
BlueMeanie4: oh ya, the ppl who live in the interior LOVE earthquakes
BlueMeanie4: they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean
BlueMeanie4: getting fixed? haha
BlueMeanie4: let me guess - you live therE?
mats_cd03: earthquakes don't have anything to do with governance
mats_cd03: i lived there for several years
BingoBoingo: Now Illinois, that's a quality mess.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-1842 << gotta love this.
assbot: Loper OS » Roman Lisp ... ( http://bit.ly/12wdeKW )
mircea_popescu: "how do you avoid screwing over idiots ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno... why would i ?
BlueMeanie4: basically the whole country is a mess
mats_cd03: what a novel thought.
BingoBoingo: Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.
mircea_popescu: lol has this happened yet ?
BlueMeanie4: ive heard stories about rural illinois
BlueMeanie4: wow
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the country'd recover and do just fine if left the fuck alone.
undata: BlueMeanie4: I could just as easily see this Yuri character as anticommunist psyops
BlueMeanie4: ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves
BlueMeanie4: since 911 it's been crazy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not yet. But he is getting more and more dejected in appearances.
BlueMeanie4: now add to that all this spying, social media presence, etc.
BingoBoingo: Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since
BlueMeanie4: they're using these various front issues to break down state soveireignty
mircea_popescu: here's a simple reform idea : take guns away from police. because government employees are slaves, and slaves don't belong carrying arms. that's for citizens only.
mircea_popescu: if a policeman wants to report a crime, he gotta find a citizen and get his help.
mircea_popescu: slaves don't get to stand their ground, they get to scurry away and seek help.
BingoBoingo: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30302261
assbot: BBC News - AK-47 maker Kalashnikov gives rifles makeover ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPFJ49 )
mircea_popescu: and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.
BlueMeanie4: fact is
mircea_popescu: solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :
mircea_popescu: no citizens, no country.
BlueMeanie4: in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police
mircea_popescu: why not ?
BlueMeanie4: ha
mircea_popescu: go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.
BlueMeanie4: it would turn into utter chaos
BingoBoingo: Compare to http://rt.com/news/210751-kalashnikov-rifle-new-brand/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPG1YI )
mircea_popescu: if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.
BlueMeanie4: as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that;'s principally because they suck.
BlueMeanie4: this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class
BlueMeanie4: they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like
BlueMeanie4: to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a low income "area".
mircea_popescu: it's the people.
BlueMeanie4: tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine
BlueMeanie4: its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.
BlueMeanie4: there isnt the the underlying urge to robe your neighbor
undata: BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl
mircea_popescu: random passerbys threatened and yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: this is why this country is safe. plenty of citizens.
BlueMeanie4: undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians
BlueMeanie4: Rastafarians with Trust Funds
mircea_popescu: the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.
BingoBoingo: "They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."
BlueMeanie4: oh sure Romania is probably safer than NYC, certianly safer than NYC with no police
mircea_popescu: here is buenos aires.
BlueMeanie4: oh ok
mircea_popescu: a town 3x the size of nyc.
BlueMeanie4: ya the 'hipster' set is clearly a major part of the problem
BlueMeanie4: mainly white kids reared on Obama nonsense
BlueMeanie4: they have no relationship with reality
undata: reared on social media nonsense
BlueMeanie4: yep
undata: hence what you mention last
BlueMeanie4: one and the same with homo redditicus
undata: "it's real if it's twatted"
BlueMeanie4: see: Tumblr
mircea_popescu: so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.
BlueMeanie4: they have no real concept of how the world works
BlueMeanie4: most dont even have jobs, just support from parents
undata: BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is
BlueMeanie4: they are an increasingly ridiculed group
undata: the most recent generation is wasting away in the service industry
undata: making pizzas
BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/
BlueMeanie4: and its not pretty
BlueMeanie4: youve got a lot of clear Nazi ideas building up
undata: yep
mircea_popescu: <undata> making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?
BlueMeanie4: twatter is the most hilarious for sure
mircea_popescu: "it's easier" right.
BlueMeanie4: MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!
mircea_popescu: glwt.
BlueMeanie4: pumpkin spice lattes to be precise
BlueMeanie4: no investment in infrastructure
BlueMeanie4: no investment in real education
BlueMeanie4: everyone is pushing money around or spying on citizens
undata: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: danke
undata: bitte
BlueMeanie4: but no doubt this isnt going to end well
undata: it'll end in a dictator
BlueMeanie4: yep
mircea_popescu: heh. like who.
BlueMeanie4: because the asshats will DEMAND their 'standard of living' be preserved
mircea_popescu: where is hte painter. show me the painter.
undata: mircea_popescu: he's so far unknown
BlueMeanie4: it will be King Blue Meanie
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.
mircea_popescu: those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.
mircea_popescu: it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.
undata: seems we're headed for humiliation, no?
BlueMeanie4: there are parallels for sure
undata: worldwide empire reduced to economic crater
BlueMeanie4: i can def. see some states just dropping out of this
BlueMeanie4: Texas
undata: BlueMeanie4: and being coerced back in, I'd think
undata: the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military
BlueMeanie4: the concept of the average Texan is miles apart from where Obama is taking the US
BlueMeanie4: ya it's called Gun Control
undata: BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there
BlueMeanie4: i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas
undata: BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state
BlueMeanie4: ya lots of technique
BlueMeanie4: but fact is ppl are getting more and more aware
undata: hah, maybe we're headed for a Lincoln
undata: not a Hitler
BlueMeanie4: civil war?
BlueMeanie4: could happen i think, not far fetched
undata: yeah, say there's a large economic collapse and the federal system starts to deteriorate
undata: somebody rides in to "save the union"
BlueMeanie4: well if that happens
BlueMeanie4: then theyll start taxing everyone like crazy
undata: that could be the new thing, "domestic terrorism" vs the federal system
BlueMeanie4: Texas and perhaps a coalition will basically say FU
BlueMeanie4: right and the feds will label them domestic terrorists
undata: one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war
BlueMeanie4: he already clearly violates the Constitution
BlueMeanie4: absolutely
BlueMeanie4: theyre not prepping to get Al Queda
undata: right, they know full well that the economic system is a sham, and is going to implode
BlueMeanie4: they are anticipating things getting out of control
undata: so they've been getting this stuff ready
undata: arguably this domestic terrorism thing has been there in the US since the start
undata: "domestic terrorism" redefined as any sort of anti-federal thing
BlueMeanie4: no one remmeber Ollie North
BlueMeanie4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
assbot: Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPOFq4 )
undata: yep
BlueMeanie4: fun times
undata: times to wait and squirel away nuts
BlueMeanie4: any advice from Romania on how to survive economic collapse and govt takeover?
undata: argentina might have some things to say there as well
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
assbot: Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1w2Ppak )
undata: good old prescott bush and friends
BlueMeanie4: yep
BlueMeanie4: moving to Russia ASAP
undata: I don't see how that's better
BlueMeanie4: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1417652023224.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPRwPR )
BlueMeanie4: see now?
undata: BlueMeanie4: that it lacks that form of cancer does not mean it lacks cancer
undata: hilarious picture though
mircea_popescu: actually kinda funny what hoover had to say abgout getting off gold.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-domain-registrations-shown-to-correlate-with-bitcoin-price/
assbot: Bitcoin Domain Registrations Shown To Correlate With Bitcoin Price | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FPTvno )
undata: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: re. cryptos
BlueMeanie4: bitcoin remains a mystery
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cazalla: BlueMeanie4: yep pretty sad, you can read about what is underneath on 4chan/pol/ <<< in hindsight, /pol/ was a short stop otw to #b-a, once i began to put in more time here, i pretty much stopped putting in any time at /pol/
BlueMeanie4: whats b-a?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 lol
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TomServo: I've drank too much #b-a koolaid and find myself having to piss on co-workers' msft/goog/appl wankfests.
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BingoBoingo: !b 1
adlai: also http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32
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mircea_popescu: TomServo it's a pernicious cult.
adlai: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32 http://themonkeycage.org/2011/03/11/randomizing_customs/
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: adlai ?
decimation: re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind
kakobrekla: bb doesnt have a red and green light but it does have a red and green buttons
decimation: now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, but you know exactly why it won't happen.
mircea_popescu: no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back
mircea_popescu: also something the founding fathers had in mind.
mircea_popescu: and that's where it starts.
adlai: when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't people who want to stay outside of scrutiny be able to ?
decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3a/ << herr land dismisses isis
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Islamic Vortex (Note-3a) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNPo8c )
mircea_popescu: whossat ?
TomServo: I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.
kakobrekla: non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls
decimation: the xenosystems author
TomServo: But shouldn't a citizen also be capable of finding a wife that doesn't require a sucker punch?
mircea_popescu: decimation i thought mebbe you knew him better.
decimation: TomServo: why would you want to neglect her/.
mircea_popescu: TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.
asciilifeform lulz, having missed all the good shit
TomServo: decimation: neglect?
decimation: mircea_popescu: nah, just been following his writings
mircea_popescu: it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.
mircea_popescu: yes, exactly neglect.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"
TomServo: I guess I don't understand why a beating is necessary when you have a sufficiently advanced human capable of reasoning. Help me out?
decimation: lol
decimation: I have an AI cult to sell
mircea_popescu: TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.
mircea_popescu: decimation shoot.
asciilifeform: you might - by sheer accident.
asciilifeform: just as a small spot, on some rusted razors - semiconducts.
asciilifeform: brings to mind an old thread:
mircea_popescu: yes, but because of networking effects this isn't useful.
mircea_popescu: just like rusted razors aren't programmable.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617148 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2014#617149 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:51; mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/12/nick_bostrom_on.html this derp was on econtalk
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNReGc )
decimation: "The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."
mircea_popescu: lmao.
asciilifeform: !s yudkowsky
assbot: 8 results for 'yudkowsky' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=yudkowsky
asciilifeform: ^ current hitler of that sect
decimation: hehe yeah asciilifeform this guy has to be in yudkowsky's orbit somehow
TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?
mircea_popescu: if she's advanced enough that she stops shitting
mircea_popescu: i shall review your question.
decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'
TomServo: lol?
decimation: www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/artificial-intelligence.pdf
mircea_popescu: well ? what is this "advanced"
asciilifeform: TomServo: it is possible to play the 'advanced' game, but you probably cannot assemble mircea_popescu's harem that way.
TomServo: So you never graduate from beating?
asciilifeform: lucky if even find one wife.
mircea_popescu: from the possibility thereof ?
decimation: TomServo: do you graduate from having to eat?
mircea_popescu: how. do you graduate from being sick ? bored ?
mircea_popescu: you don't graduate from reality.
asciilifeform: trained circus lion 'graduates from beating.'
asciilifeform: as i understand, same idea here.
undata: I think this is predicated on "beat everyone"
TomServo: Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?
decimation: asciilifeform: offer carrot & stick, eventually only carrot is needed?
kakobrekla: since we are pasting links re ai; http://i1.kym-cdn.com/news_feeds/icons/original/000/015/610/48a.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNS71u )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at all.
decimation: kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: TomServo http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ ?
assbot: Cum se bate femeia ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNSoBA )
asciilifeform: actually, this is almost a fundamental question. like 'sexual orientation.' how many 'iq' points below yours (for a particular fellow) does 'zoophilia' begin ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Due to a lack of beatings, I haven't yet learned Romanian.
TomServo: I apologize.
asciilifeform: i suspect there is great variation
mircea_popescu: lol i guess you're stuck looking at pictures ?
mircea_popescu: but no, the definition is i imagine quite ordinary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly doubt iq points measure anything useful.
TomServo: How does beating relate to eating?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: call it whatever.
mircea_popescu: TomServo they're fundamental in the same way.
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate
asciilifeform: i'll volunteer that i can't easily lust over any creature detectably stupider than self.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll bet you you couldn't discern between a well trained and an intelligent creature.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the right kind of circus - absolutely
mircea_popescu: in the world.
asciilifeform: i may even have been to that circus.
mircea_popescu: which is, yes, a kind of circus.
mircea_popescu: see, in your own imagination, which is boundless or close enough, you could.
mircea_popescu: but you're not free, being alive, and in that bound system you don't actually get enough elbow room to really find out.
asciilifeform: sure as hell.
asciilifeform: not sure what, if anything, i might be surprised by (on this subject) if my bubble were larger.
mircea_popescu: most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness.
asciilifeform: the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it.
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/NMamatas/status/540320550883586048
assbot: How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state.
asciilifeform: if this is a 'muscle' that can be 'well trained' - this is not a 'margarine', but a 'real butter'. idempotent.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope. trainable, because kindergarten homework.
mircea_popescu: so your idea of intelligence is... culture ?
asciilifeform: talking about actual novel concept.
mircea_popescu: well done lol. do i win yet ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure trainable, yet... some fail to rediscover after learning in kindergarden when skill is summoned for video
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this with one of your pets. tell her 'waveguide motor' and see if she is able to draw one that could, in principle, function. or at least say what such a thing would be.
asciilifeform: considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly.
asciilifeform: and in none too great detail.
mircea_popescu: kind bad example cause didn't we discuss this here earlier ?
asciilifeform: well yes. you may have to devise a similarly peculiar example, if your friends read #b-a.
asciilifeform: (pets?)
undata has learned that asciilifeforms reproduce by dividing
asciilifeform: they 'reproduce' by popping out of the zero point vacuum for a little while.
BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.
asciilifeform: trainable.
asciilifeform: i worked with a whole mess of folks who could solve this one, for some value of 'solved'
BingoBoingo: Enough varied "trainable" questions though might approximate a test. Approximation probably necessary because jungle conditions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no but look, you're already conceding defeat. why are you building your castle out of my rocks ?
mircea_popescu: if you gotta use trainable tests you lost.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2014#942350 << in case you missed that thread.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 15:10:06; asciilifeform: this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice'
BingoBoingo: 4-5 prolly. But yeah. May have to concede this point
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina.
asciilifeform: and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it << ding ding ding - winner
mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about.
asciilifeform: depends what means 'trained'
asciilifeform: if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else
mircea_popescu: but i did say that's not what's meant.
asciilifeform: if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter)
mircea_popescu: trained is what happened to scheherazade.
mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.
asciilifeform: in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education'
asciilifeform: that type of training is referred to as 'дрессировка'
mircea_popescu: i think this pejorative usage is novel, and not really all that standard yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these.
mircea_popescu: hence well trained pilots, and training ai and so on
asciilifeform: pilot will readily concede that much of what he knows is trained like a dog is trained
mircea_popescu: dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english
asciilifeform: likewise a good, e.g., sniper
asciilifeform: muscle memory.
mircea_popescu: because well, they don't get wtf french is.
mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen.
asciilifeform: damn straight!
mircea_popescu: just, much and important don't map.
asciilifeform: cerebellum has to know
asciilifeform: and there's exactly one way to train it
asciilifeform: hence why ballerinas are trained precisely like circus seals
mircea_popescu: tell you what.
mircea_popescu: to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.
mircea_popescu: same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: the important parts aren't visible.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: they are not.
mircea_popescu: they may look similar, sure.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on)
mircea_popescu: as a result, there's nothing fucking scarier than the former known to man.
asciilifeform: training to think consists of pure 'don't do's? news to me.
mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes.
asciilifeform: what of the folks who are their own seal -and- circus trainer?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ?
mircea_popescu: nothing of them. they may develop myopia in time.
asciilifeform: teach self to control emotion. and to grasp, e.g., group theor
asciilifeform: y
mircea_popescu: one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound.
mircea_popescu: same reason braided rope is stronger than straight rope.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thus understood, you will find that a woman trained to be intelligent, irrespective of iq, is quite to your liking, whereas one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable.
mircea_popescu: so... whole story really.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really.
asciilifeform: calculate xxxx ? no. grasp maximally astonishing 'left field' concept without much preparation ? yes.
asciilifeform: and when you practice this, yes, gets stronger. this is training intelligence - sure.
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: did establish that we're gnawing on the leather straps of english, i think.
mircea_popescu: guess so.
asciilifeform: one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable << perhaps here speaking of taming, rather than training ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/minimum-viable-sociopathy.html << mega-lol
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mircea_popescu: "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest"
mircea_popescu: mkay, i'll pass.
asciilifeform thinks mr. o meant 'hyperactive'
mircea_popescu: dude srsly, intelligent people want to go a direction ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well.
asciilifeform struggles to make sense of the thing
mircea_popescu perseveres in his ahistoricity.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i dun see how it's even a kilo-lol.
asciilifeform: 'What this means in practice, for me at least, is that as soon as it starts looking like I am heading in the direction of acquiring a specific job title or job description, or getting involved in something that might require registration, certification or licensing, then I need to backtrack or head in a different direction for a bit, until everybody loses interest. In doing so I sometimes forgo some opportunities for an increa
asciilifeform: sed income, but that is the price of freedom.'
asciilifeform: ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, given that intelligence is to be measured in tsyans,
mircea_popescu: what can be said of the average policeman ?
asciilifeform: (as they say in britain) 'a whole policeman!'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: for our esl (english as a single language) friends : мили́ция = mili-tsya
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mircea_popescu: why not august 7th lol
mircea_popescu: http://sov.ro/ << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog.
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mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.
mircea_popescu: say a picolulz' worth.
gernika: mircea_popescu are you referring to logical fallacies by 'modes of logical failure'? Also, by learning to control your emtions, I assume you don't mean learning to meditate.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ mr. o is 'having problems' ? << maybe he got made, and so now teh fsb is no longer interested in what was a marginal asset anyway ?
BingoBoingo: OMG #b-a impoverished someone.
mircea_popescu: gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't work, all the redder.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tis happened afore.
BingoBoingo: I guess it has.
gernika: mircea_popescu ah so also cognitive biases.
BingoBoingo: !up frankenmint
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/llwZ2
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mircea_popescu: lol is it yours ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: yeah listen, why is this not a post on loper-os ?
asciilifeform: because why.
mircea_popescu: i mean, you just gave imgur some money. why ?
asciilifeform: it's garbage.
mircea_popescu: uh.
decimation: asciilifeform: is it fcc class b licensed_
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ?
asciilifeform: lol. i suppose my site can't get any more off topic than already is.
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic"
mircea_popescu: fuck em. they don't get to say what the topic is.
BingoBoingo: Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper
mircea_popescu: they'd love to, of course, for the obvious reason. unsheathe that.
decimation: or is it class A(industrial?)
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't possibly guess
decimation: no manual?
asciilifeform: manual says 'class a'
mircea_popescu: it does kinda look like a sprinkler...
asciilifeform: one of these days i buy something that doesn't have to be vivisected to make it go.
mircea_popescu: a dog ?
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform beginning to think that networking hardware that behaves sanely out of the box was banned, and no one told him
decimation: yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case
asciilifeform: metal case on wireless access gizmo? lol
BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin.
decimation: sure,
decimation: only need to have antenna outside, and maybe only partially that
asciilifeform: funnily, i have a circa-1998 wireless router, that has precisely this form
BingoBoingo would probably keep his own insulin pig as well, can't judge
asciilifeform: (not in service because laughably small flash disk, not linuxifiable)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you can't run it because bus speed right ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket
mircea_popescu: decimation what's that ?
decimation: for fear that 'citizens' might make use of them in a way they see fit
asciilifeform: decimation: most of the consumer trashware have external antennae sockets, wtf
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has??
decimation: yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket
asciilifeform: even my local isp ships router with two screw-socket antennae
BingoBoingo: the internal mini-pci-e deal with the adorable micro-coax or whatever they call it
decimation: everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector
mircea_popescu: i unscrewed so many antennae off wired-only "wireless-capable" routers...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'll notice these in the photo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still only solves the antenna rather than sanity problem
mircea_popescu: decimation alternatively, you could hit it once with a hammer and make contacts directly eh
decimation: http://www.rfcoaxconnectors.com/Technical_wifi-interface.htm << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC
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decimation: connectors. You will also find reverse, or left-handed thread versions of N, SMA and TNC connectors."
decimation: the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier
asciilifeform: i mean, back to the story, all i had to do is reach across desk and grab a ttl serial octopus. but what are folks supposed to do who don't have one?
mircea_popescu: derp
decimation: asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'ebay' bursting with chinese amps
mircea_popescu: this is like the dumbest thing i ever heard lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money
mircea_popescu: srsly, you can't plug it in because it's reverse threaded ?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, one can buy such connectors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did say 'fig leaf'
decimation: but it 'satisfies' usg requirements to make it 'difficult'
mircea_popescu: so he did.
decimation: it would be nearly unbelievable if usg weren't involved
mircea_popescu: lol
decimation: there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation'
mircea_popescu: maybe this principle could be extended.
asciilifeform: ahahaha and the ethernet on this thing flickers in and out.
mircea_popescu: for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening.
asciilifeform: such quality! amazing company!
mircea_popescu: abstinence-only sex ed WIN!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was, iirc, a record of this very procedure being performed on a woman in (?) mexico
decimation: well, I'm certain that some organ of usg would claim victory under such conditions
mircea_popescu: what could possibily.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was cancerous/amputated colon, if i recall, and this novel rerouting was tried.
mircea_popescu: well... colonostomy bags aren't any fun.
asciilifeform does not remember source of this tale, don't ask
decimation: here's the exact usg 'regulation' http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/FCC/Part-15/fcc-part-15-radio-frequency-devices-15p203.htm << "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna
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decimation: that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section."
decimation: this is literally the bread-and-butter of the usg regime
mircea_popescu: so silly.
mircea_popescu: basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost.
mircea_popescu: then they... mediated it.
joecool: hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well
mircea_popescu: average gender of resulting regulation ? "martian".
mircea_popescu: joecool i dun has anything to do with it, but kakobrekla might be able to help.
asciilifeform: collectors of small arms in usa have similarly entertaining stories about gotchas, thick tomes of peculiar rules, loopholes.
decimation: of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts
joecool: mircea_popescu: sry, thought you maintained assbot... i'll bug kakobrekla when he's around
mircea_popescu: are the pms annoying ?
joecool: yes
asciilifeform: satan preserve us, i can hear that thing's cpu load through inductor whine from across a table.
BingoBoingo: Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform add shields :D
decimation: asciilifeform: how did get from 'working ttl serial port' to running bootrom?
asciilifeform: decimation: it was booting all along, but not usefully (no way to speak to it)
decimation: ah
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can do aes on it and try to use a microphone to do side-channel
decimation: that would be worthy of loper
asciilifeform: that would be worthy of first year undergrad.
asciilifeform: because - old news.
decimation: hehe
asciilifeform: it's - homework.
mircea_popescu: stop giving stan stuff to do.
asciilifeform is behind on his 'homework' as it is!
joecool: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter too much though, i like this channel
BingoBoingo: !up diatonic
decimation: !up diatonic
mircea_popescu: !up diatonic
mircea_popescu: what, is it like a festival ?
decimation: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: !up Yours
decimation: !up xinxiwang
joecool: luke should talk more, that's always entertaining
xinxiwang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xP5EFThh0
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joecool: !up diatonic
decimation: xinxiwang: do you often encounter gerkas on patrol in sg?
xinxiwang: i don’t have a car here.
decimation: well, on the street?
xinxiwang: gerkas on patrol?
xinxiwang: what’s that?
decimation: the Nepalese police?
kakobrekla: yes it has to be annoying so people see it. now im off.
xinxiwang: Nepalese? SG is in southeast asia.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha_Contingent
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decimation: I guess I take it by your questions that the answer is 'no'
BingoBoingo: !t n s.appl
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
xinxiwang: uha, I even don’t know this.
xinxiwang: interesting
decimation: yeah they were brought in to break up the racial riots in the 60's
decimation: because both sides thought that the gurkhas were 1.) hardcore and 2.) neutral
xinxiwang: that’s funny
xinxiwang: they should bring people from china to do that.
xinxiwang: for ethnic homogeneity
decimation: aren't chinese a big part of the sg population now?
xinxiwang: 80% are chinese.
decimation: http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/303042 << "It has been said that during the Falklands War, 400 miles east of Terra Del Fuego, or Cape Horn, South America in the Atlantic, after the Gurkhas landed, it was sufficient for the RAF to drop leaflets over enemy Argentine positions, merely saying that the Gurkhas have landed and are sharpening their Kukris, for the conscript Argentine army to flee for their lives."
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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDHDM7PfyYs
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mircea_popescu: hai preet & friends.
xinxiwang: given that the majority are chinese people. I don’t think people from other races can be neutral here.
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
decimation: well, certainly turkic highland folk from the west are not to be trusted...
xinxiwang: they are still commanded by local people
BingoBoingo: Guurkahs are pretty much the default neutral people, because... Nepal is poor and isolated.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, the same thing;s been said in spanish about the english lol
decimation: xinxiwang: do people in sg generally like the way the lee family have been running things?
xinxiwang: many don’t like. but since the family is doing quite well. people still accep that.
xinxiwang: people are appealing for democracy :-)
decimation: surely the 'mandate of heaven' still smiles upon singapore?
mircea_popescu: singapore democracy's gonna be a fun one to watch.
decimation: people in the us have democracy, it's not great. the people should be happy with the lee family
xinxiwang: i’ve no idea about that. maybe lky knows.
mircea_popescu: sorta like manhattan without brooklyn, let alone harlem or you know, ozarks.
decimation: malaysia is kinda like their ozarks I guess
xinxiwang: yeah, Thai tried western style of democracy but failed.
xinxiwang: Sg may fail to incorporate that kind of democracy as well.
decimation: the chinese have lived under strong men, emperors and bureaucrats for thousands of years. it would be better to go with a winning formula
mircea_popescu: better != easier.
mircea_popescu: stop impeding progress.
xinxiwang: who knows. if it’s the trend, nobody can stop it.
decimation: is your point that it is easy to hand out one mili-slice of power to each sg citizen and leave it to them to ruin the place than to actually run it?
mircea_popescu: no, my point is that it's easier to give the police guns and then bitch when they shoot the wrong people than you know, hold a gun and pick and choose. and similarly...
mircea_popescu: why not have a democratic political class to hate and despise ?
mircea_popescu: buncha people you vote for just so you can expect things not of this world.
decimation: yeah, I agree that's the effect. furthermore, those in real power use the process as cover for their own agendas
mircea_popescu: really ? lizzard hitler ?
decimation: nah
mircea_popescu: "those in power" dun actually exist.
decimation: they are not coordinated like that
decimation: more like the FCC makes rules, and the EPA makes rules, etc
mircea_popescu: you're roughly speaking of the "bubbles in power" in a bottle of beer.
mircea_popescu: you know, the ones that don't pop, for whose benefit the entire thing is made.
mircea_popescu: i never saw one.
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: who ?
decimation: but each one has a tyrannical journey to the top
mircea_popescu: name a name.
mircea_popescu: who is the "people in power" in one of these systems ? who, in hollywood ? who, in washington ?
decimation: well, look at general alexander, for instance
mircea_popescu: ken rove ? that janet derp ? rice ? who ?
mircea_popescu: okay.
decimation: sure
decimation: each of them push their own little agendas
mircea_popescu: like all the other bubbles.
decimation: which generally consist of 'give us more money and more fiefdom'
mircea_popescu: not in power.
decimation: I guess it's power in the restricted sense that they are only allowed to act in one direction
mircea_popescu: there's one trend that unites all us presidents that i've ever seen. that trend is, that going in they look above average health for their age,
decimation: is a child powerful if she pulls a lever to demolish a building?
mircea_popescu: and going out they look in shockingly poor health for their age.
mircea_popescu: the cause, outside of drugs, is that they don't get any sleep.
mircea_popescu: what "in power" is this where you can't fucking sleep ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has apoint with the sleep.
decimation: that is a good point
asciilifeform: sleep is the measure.
decimation: my impression is that they constantly awoken so they can be 'in the loop' on whatever derpish retardation is going on in the world
asciilifeform: because muppetry.
punkman slept 13 hours, refreshing
asciilifeform: pete thiel - sleeps.
decimation: the general response to which being 'do nothing' or 'let the underlings handle it'
asciilifeform didn't watch him sleep, but believes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the examplke i was waiting for was the iranian, what's his name
mircea_popescu: omar ksomething
mircea_popescu: fucking ironic, i thought.
asciilifeform: kyahamm ?
asciilifeform: khayamm ?
mircea_popescu: nono, the press derp.
decimation: louis xvi was 'in power' in the same way I guess
mircea_popescu: guy slept. on tits.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Pierre Morad Omidyar
gribble: Pierre Omidyar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Omidyar>; Pierre Omidyar - Biography - Philanthropist - Biography.com: <http://www.biography.com/people/pierre-omidyar-9542205>; Pierre Omidyar: The reclusive eBay founder will battle with The ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/pierre-omidyarthe-reclusive-ebay-founder- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/6754 << what should i buy after i set fire to this ?
assbot: #6754 (Can crash wan port (eth1) with ping flood (Atheros AG71xx)) – OpenWrt ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT9Y6k )
asciilifeform: what a disgrace.
mircea_popescu: haha
asciilifeform: 100 usd does not buy a functioning - or wrangleable - device. does 1000? 10,000 ?
asciilifeform: i bet - no.
mircea_popescu: nah. you're paying too much.
mircea_popescu: 25-30 bux. try that.
asciilifeform: 25 << have an urn full of these
asciilifeform: same issues
mircea_popescu: "Resolution set to fixed"
mircea_popescu: 4 years ago yo :D
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: haha fixed, 'fixed'
asciilifeform: lend one of these fine gentlemen your car, and he'll glue the petrol gauge to 'full'
asciilifeform: easier than filling tank. cheaper. satisfying.
decimation: no asciilifeform, the real thing is you make a light that says 'pay money to dealer'
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22(ag71xx):+transmit+queue+0+timed+out%22
assbot: "(ag71xx): transmit queue 0 timed out" - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sjE5 )
asciilifeform: ^ 1,120 results.
asciilifeform: i don't even know what is more enraging - the sc4mz0r manufacturer, or all the shitmonkeys who claim to have 'fixed'
decimation: asciilifeform: the popular thing to worry about these days in routers is 'buffer bloat'
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't run an isp, or a dc, don't care one whit for optimizations
asciilifeform: but want gizmo that fucking works as printed on the box
asciilifeform: 24/7/365
asciilifeform: and, if dies, can go in the urn, replaced with same, in the worst case
asciilifeform: i don't even grasp why a wireless to ethernet bridge needs to be a computer, with stateful memory and an os
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9105 @ 0.0012 = 10.926 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Things exist this way because danielpbarron is right and there is a vengeful old testament god. Jesus and mercy were a lie!
decimation: Jesus isn't a lie!
decimation: !up taub
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why <<<
mircea_popescu: wanna talk about turds, talk about that.
asciilifeform knew.
mircea_popescu: just the successive "encryption solutions" they implemented is enough for humour in hell.
decimation: the end-to-end principle would suggest a minimal amount of protocol overhead is needed - let the application layer figure things out
mircea_popescu: and what, charge 20 bux for a thing that works ?
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: why not charge 100 for a thing that doesn't work, so suckerlifeform can buy 20 ?
asciilifeform: 200
asciilifeform: plus the kerosene.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (100 * 200) / 20
gribble: 1000
mircea_popescu: JOBS CREATED
mircea_popescu: (in china. which then we bitch at for polution)
mircea_popescu: anyway. sleepytime. HEAR ME ROAR!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00036989 = 12.7612 BTC [-]
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.91, Best ask: 378.66, Bid-ask spread: 1.75000, Last trade: 377.3, 24 hour volume: 8465.10747744, 24 hour low: 374.01, 24 hour high: 383.0, 24 hour vwap: 378.493754072
BingoBoingo: Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility
decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42529 @ 0.00036892 = 15.6898 BTC [-]
punkman: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036087 / 0.00038216 (757862 shares, 273.50 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035295 / 0.00041472 (10817404 shares, 3,818.01 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00044918 / 0.00086038 (29748677 shares, 13,362.75 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 332806 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1849 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35888211462.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -10.29622
BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on?
punkman: maybe not enough money to pay electricity for a few operations
BingoBoingo: Also thinking maybe a ploy by manufacterers with farms to get consumers to buy this spendy time of the year at any cost?
punkman: I liked the "personal lottery machine" angle
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: I have to admit I've been eyeing the pretty Bitcrane machine as a spaceheater++
punkman: payoff not that great if you win the solo mine lottery
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll point it at some pool or p2pool
BingoBoingo: If Mizzou beats Bamma Saturday and I have much profit.
BingoBoingo: Prolly skip the miner though and keep building the escape fund
punkman: you don't want to be carrying too much stuff
BingoBoingo: Yeah
punkman: http://www.cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/cots/luxurylite-ultralite-cot/product
assbot: Lightest Backpacking Cot – LuxuryLite® UltraLite Cot&#0153; by Therm-a-Rest® ... ( http://bit.ly/1vOInE5 )
punkman: might need on of those if going the land route
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with the mud? Also maybe considering saving up for a boat.
BingoBoingo: Either in the sense of a literal ocean going craft or the metaphorical Ford Crown Victoria
punkman: actual boat is an acquired taste
BingoBoingo: Actual boat seems awfully interdictable.
punkman: maybe less so with the right flag
BingoBoingo: Hard to take "right flag" down the Mississippi leg of the trip.
mats_cd03: 01:14:25 <+BingoBoingo> Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility << makes me happy, tbh
mats_cd03: how am i gonna accumulate 1000btc if it goes up again?
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Sure. Nice place to build another launch pad.
mats_cd03: anyway, like mp says, something something usg catching a falling knife twice
mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe
BingoBoingo: That's a good question, but given the options market is hibernating in wait of better price signals some large share dumping seemed inevitable... prolly...
mats_cd03: i sold ma shares after it crashed and temporarily recovered to ~0.00075, then bought back at 0.0005 thinking it was the bottom ;_;
BingoBoingo: Either that or Obama's secretly had an MPOE account
BingoBoingo: Maybe someone who bought S.MPOE round 2 shares finally decided to part with them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.0011999 = 1.1999 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: what was it at round 2?
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: If I recall correctly its cheapest.
BingoBoingo: 2433 per share http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yovoKv )
BingoBoingo: MPOE first round was 9085 satoshis per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.00119999 = 1.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1940 @ 0.0012 = 2.328 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44854 @ 0.00037154 = 16.6651 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony stretches
davout: fluffypony: nice comment on the "blockchain onion gets an ssl cert" derpage
fluffypony: davout: thanks
fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me
fluffypony: the most annoying thing is that they should have expended effort in using eschalot to create a memorable address
fluffypony: rather than fucking around with SSL
fluffypony: blockchainbdgpzk.onion is not memorable
fluffypony: facebook, of all things, actually spent the time and energy in getting right
fluffypony: facebookcorewwwi.onion
fluffypony: easy to remember
fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites
fluffypony: it's like a mindtrip
davout: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00036838 = 12.4697 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/mastercard-not-completely-comfortable-with-bitcoin/
assbot: MasterCard: Not Completely Comfortable With Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypm5K8 )
davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin
cazalla: prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left
cazalla: reminds me a bit of iraqi info minister, no bitcoin in the city at all!
cazalla: fuckem anyway, i use visa
cazalla: what trickery is this? XN--B1A4AC.COM
davout: cazalla: "prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left" <<< what for? push bitcoin?
davout: also your domain name is a unicode domain
davout: http://♹.com/
cazalla: davout, no idea, perhaps to encourage gov to crack down on it, seems to be the case given their submission to aussie senate.. sorta like an ex gf that insists on fucking things up with your new gf
cazalla: davout, first time i've come across this punani code for domains
davout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode
assbot: Punycode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypshSp )
cazalla: anyway, that one is for btc.com, wonder how popular it is for phishing
davout: i should put my blockchain.io to use for lulz & phishing
cazalla: davout, "Black Friday figures for MasterCard were not yet available, but the company reported in October that it had processed $2.4 trillion in payments in the first nine months of 2014"
cazalla: 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00036599 = 3.3854 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00037609 = 13.8078 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <+cazalla> 2.4 trillion yet concerned about bitcoin <<< natch
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: c'est un copain
davout: wat
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: burtreynoldsismyspiritguide1 ? mmmmmyeah
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soo, chick findsa out that her "father" is infertile, gets fixated on it, tries to replace him, imagines this sort of pathology ius somehow universal or important for people generally.
mircea_popescu: why am i even reading this crap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00037112 = 17.2942 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: it never ends either. jesus.
mircea_popescu: teach all the idiots how to read and write - get fifty billion pages about how important idiots are, aka the internet.
mircea_popescu: could do without.
jurov: looks like we renamed "sovereignty" into "sovereignity"
mircea_popescu: i cnat spael.
mircea_popescu: decimation: eh, flat makes those famed 'afraid of volatility' types happy <<< yet for every 500 guys that went "o bitcoin i can not use it is too volatile" for 3 years going, you don't hear as many as .5 guys today "o, now i can use it"
mircea_popescu: instead it's "now it's not volatile so not interesting anymore, can't use".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on? <<< mining moved away from the general public to "specialised experts". this always results in a drop of quality.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: my more immediate concern is...wtf is happening to s.mpoe << ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me <<< i don't recall an infosec expert of the webz that wasn't a sort of "assigned female at birth genderqueer individual".
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites <<< bwahaaha this IS a fucking point. and it goes on : microsoft leading the way for linux, on it goes.
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin << virgins also feel a need to talk about the cock.
mircea_popescu: it's psychosomatic.
fluffypony: Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit
mircea_popescu: hearn still talks in public ?
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5ghz/blockchaininfo_becomes_the_second_website_after/cmkutcr?context=3
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Blockchain.info becomes the second website (after Facebook) to have been issued an HTTPS certificate by DigiCert for their .onion address. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pXLZTI )
fluffypony: that's "infosec expert" -> me -> Hearnia -> me
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: i liek nubbins` french.
nubbins`: ;D
mircea_popescu: arrange meeting for today at 3 with kinda shaky individual, have secretary confirm it today. wake up, check, confirmation comes in the form of "in the immortal words of dude, yes, 1500. he'll wait you."
mircea_popescu: day slightly thus improved, we proceed to the waiting car!
rithm: just make sure the miners have a ul sticker on them tho amirite
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: sticker guarantees
thestringpuller: nubbins` speaks french?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought the immortal words of the dude were: the dude abides
thestringpuller: ;;google the dude abides
gribble: The Big Lebowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski>; The Big Lebowski (1998) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes>; verbs - "The Dude abides" — what does "abide" mean in that context ...: <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38213/the-dude-abides-what-does-abide-mean-in-that-context>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00036451 = 15.8562 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.0012 = 1.308 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4791 @ 0.00037105 = 1.7777 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00035833 = 22.9331 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/04/uber-confirms-new-1-2b-funding-round-looks-to-asia-for-expansion/
assbot: Uber Confirms New $1.2B Funding Round At $40B Valuation | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlVK9Q )
punkman: infinite funbux
bagels7: i would just like to point out what a burden it would be to marry a crazy woman in today's politically correct world where the woman can do no wrong.
bagels7: Feminism is the new fascism and it needs to be addressed before men are entirely pussified from birth
bagels7: http://gyazo.com/9232319c36cd8ad0a1d4a6854a8792e8
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vlWzj7 )
nubbins`: bagels7 ah get out
nubbins`: ya fuckin wizard
bagels7: get out of what
nubbins`: here
bagels7: i must preach to the 144 corners of the internet
nubbins`: preach it to your next can of frosting
bagels7: are you brittish are stupid
bagels7: since when is wizard an insult
nubbins`: !down bagels7
nubbins`: what's the use!
mats_cd03: move somewhere reasonable, then
mats_cd03: your part of the well isn't the only spot in town, you know
nubbins`: am i not allowed to down him becaause assbot hasn't refreshed the trust list?
bagels7: you have failed to give me a coherent response
mats_cd03: ;;gettrust bagels7 assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user bagels7 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bagels7&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
nubbins`: it's the other way
nubbins`: assbot bagels7
mats_cd03: da person to complain to.
nubbins`: kekekbrekla
mats_cd03: just look at the graph
nubbins`: no, that's the wrong graph
nubbins`: he could just rate assbot if that were the case.
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot bagels7
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@unaffiliated/bagels7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: Tue Nov 11 00:46:41 2014
mats_cd03: dpb <<
nubbins`: ^
adlai: bagels7: 144? you're off by a factor of 36. http://timecube.com/imageFUA.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tTljPn )
bagels7: I always off by some factor
TomServo: http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/12/04/transgender-athletes-policy-vote
assbot: High school league votes to let transgender athletes pick their teams | Minnesota Public Radio News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRv1ac )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 990 @ 0.001207 = 1.1949 BTC [+]
punkman: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/asia/superbugs-kill-indias-babies-and-pose-an-overseas-threat.html
assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1yryw8m )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3ZsloECMAAdj5B.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yrBTfx )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27772 @ 0.00037538 = 10.4251 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00036296 = 13.5566 BTC [-]
punkman: "In 50 years, US trust in government dropped from 77% (1964) to 24% (2014)" << is that because everyone was high back then?
kakobrekla: yet trust in god remains at what, 90?
punkman: ;;gettrust god
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user god: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=god | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=god | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: uh
ben_vulpes: that's a great wot handle
ben_vulpes: GET IT
punkman: "google @ 40,000 searches per second, 144m/hour, 3.456b/day, 1.2t/year" << lower than I imagined
punkman: at least 20k per second must be bots
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because not everyone can Tyrone. link came to you from lulzmines
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.01027433 = 1.0274 BTC [-]
punkman: hah http://rt.com/usa/210895-usa-marijuana-smuggle-mexico/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tUgu8f )
undata: punkman: ours is way better than that rubbish they grow
punkman: yeah because mexicans ain't heard of indoor growing
mats_cd03: that's expensive
punkman: from undata's neighborhood https://twitter.com/mperham/status/539861729468248066/photo/1
assbot: Portland http://t.co/vd3jRdMxqL
undata: that's about right
undata: needs more rain though
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/congress-man-proposes-bill-h-r-5777-full-text-attached/
assbot: Congress Man Proposes Bill (H.R. 5777 Full Text Attached) | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJYs2Q )
undata: BingoBoingo: that he's proposing something in the realm of sane is not surprising given that he's on the way out of congress :p
BingoBoingo: Well... on the outs...
undata: the guy might as well submit a bill to bring back the gold standard while he's at it
undata: I've been doing some reading on systemd; I had no idea just how many services it ate
undata: among them cron?!
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/11-bidders-27-bids-in-latest-usms-bitcoin-auction/
assbot: 11 Bidders 27 Bids in Latest USMS Bitcoin Auction | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CJZzj8 )
BingoBoingo: Yeah systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something.
undata: haha
undata: I like the idea of declarative config, knowing dependencies and whatnot; upstart doesn't seem too onerous to me
BingoBoingo: Also it the honorific "Congress Man" was indeed intended over the title "Congressman"
BingoBoingo: Openrc might be fine too
undata: that's what I'm using locally
undata: I tried systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug
undata: it wouldn't mount /home for example
BingoBoingo: I dunno why if init is the problem the solution also replaces console kit and everything else
undata: and it kills the competition between for example various implementations of cron
undata: or network fiddlers or whatever
BingoBoingo: And don't boohoo about X "needing" root without sytemd, because http://www.xenocara.org/ has done that for some time
assbot: Xenocara ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK0QH6 )
BingoBoingo: !up Belxjander
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35000 @ 0.00003895 = 1.3633 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: lol pulse audio still exists ?!
mircea_popescu: ndata> it wouldn't mount /home for example << prolly home didn't have the right pid.
BingoBoingo: Fuck you Slate http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/nyregion/james-watsons-nobel-medal-sells-for-record-4-million.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK1q7M )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: of course it was going to break the record. all "art" is going through roof.
mircea_popescu: random romanian first timer sold some painting for ~1.5mn
undata: "The sale also became symbolic of a quest for redemption after he became what he called an “unperson” in the scientific community seven years ago; he had told the The Sunday Times of London Magazine in an interview that he was pessimistic about Africa because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really.”
undata: ^ made to apologize
undata: uh... lol?
undata: I dated a black virologist for a time; her prescription for Africa was 30 years of quarantine
BingoBoingo wonders about all of the angry postgrads with no money wishing they could afford Watson's LSD
undata: same chick threatened me with airborne ebola once; I didn't bother to find out whether she was serious
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/jenna-bush-admits-to-hanky-panky-on-the-white-house-r-1666727070 << Bush daughter
assbot: Jenna Bush Admits to "Hanky Panky" on the White House Roof ... ( http://bit.ly/1CK3zQT )
mircea_popescu: ;;rated thebroker
gribble: You rated user thebroker on Wed Oct 15 15:45:56 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Broker..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate thebroker -1 aka digicoins.io. Inept and unreliable smalltimer.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thebroker has changed from 1 to -1.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust moo-_-
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moo-_-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moo-_- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moo-_- | Rated since: never
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1004 @ 0.001207 = 1.2118 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up michiel_l
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
michiel_l: mircea_popescu: thanks
pete_dushenski: "Kmart has become the second major retailer to pull controversial video game franchise Grand Theft Auto from its Australian stores... Target said on Wednesday it would stop selling the game in response to customer complaints sparked by an online petition posted by three women identifying themselves as victims of violence in the sex industry."
pete_dushenski: no porn in uk, no games in aus
pete_dushenski: what's next, no ping pong in nz?
undata: they'll ban sheep-fucking
pete_dushenski: "no game with the world balls shall be permitted"
pete_dushenski: *word
undata: I watched a documentary recently on the prevalence of suicide in some dreary UK town. I'm not surprised.
mircea_popescu: michiel_l sure. what winds bring you here ?
undata: looks like it's called "Death Town"
mircea_popescu: wait, someone still buys at target ?!
undata: it was among other things an interesting look at how people waste away under socialist nanny states
mircea_popescu: is this target trollbaiting in the hopes someone's going to like, go to their store ?
pete_dushenski: hey who knows, this stunt might actually work
pete_dushenski: people walk in just to see the bare shelves with their own eyes
pete_dushenski: then, while they're there, buy something they didn't need
mircea_popescu: ima totally gonna go to target to buy beached whales belabouring under the delusion that people laughing them out of bars = "victims of violence"
mircea_popescu: "in the sex industree"
pete_dushenski: dat ancient profession..
mircea_popescu: hopefully i'll get a price per head, so i won't have to pay per pound.
pete_dushenski: pay per pound of bone
pete_dushenski: then see how "big boned" she really is
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: target bought all the zellers stores in canada and has failed miserably to penetrate the market
pete_dushenski: there's really not much room in the market between walmart and the bay
undata: target... recently infamous for a massive theft of credit cards
pete_dushenski: idem home depot... usps too iirc
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Whales_on_beach%2C_Farewell_Split%2C_South_Island%2C_New_Zealand.JPG << check out derps saving the world.
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BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 332900 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1755 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36810432135.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.9911
pete_dushenski: bouche-a-bouche!
pete_dushenski: if it weren't for "free willy" no one would bother with killer whales, too "mean"
pete_dushenski: on second glance, those might not be killers...
undata: mircea_popescu: maybe the poor fucks were trying to commit suicide
undata: how rude to deny them that
mircea_popescu: it's unclear what causes it
mircea_popescu: but the part where they put cozies on them is cute.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dun think killer whales ever beach
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Never forget Tillikum, the great freedom fighter.
pete_dushenski: ;;google beached killer whale
gribble: Nine Killer Whales Die In Rare Mass Beaching in New Zealand | TIME: <http://time.com/6812/killer-whales-die-mass-beaching-new-zealand-video/>; Why Did 9 Killer Whales Die in New Zealand? - TakePart: <http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/02/12/9-killer-whales-die-mass-stranding-baffles-experts>; Cetacean stranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: rare =! never ever ;)
mircea_popescu: a ? well i guess that's something i learned today then
pete_dushenski: whales love beaches
undata: they're trying to re-evolve legs
cazalla: pete_dushenski, no-one in the history of Australia has ever purchase vidya games from kmart
cazalla: and if they did, it was merely so they could take the game back for a refund after copying the cd key
mircea_popescu: .l.
mircea_popescu: lol*
BingoBoingo: ,k,
pete_dushenski: kmart: funding drm scams since 1985
pete_dushenski: "To date, the developers have raised just over $65m from nearly 700,000 backers, which makes Star Citizen the largest crowdfunded project there has ever been by a huge margin. (The next largest, a publishing platform called Ethereum, has raised a comparatively paltry $18m.)"
pete_dushenski: $2,500 for a video game space ship... fuck me
cazalla: star citizen better deliver the goods
undata: it's all about No Man's Sky anyway
pete_dushenski: and calling buterin's scam a "publishing platform" is awfully generous
pete_dushenski: cazalla if gta5 can deliver, then surely something with a fraction of the drugs, violence, and sex industree can
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00036115 = 7.223 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: star citizen will prove, once and for all, that consumers really want good clean fun
undata: bah
pete_dushenski: undata is that a console game too?
undata: pete_dushenski: yeah, upcoming space sim with a generated universe
undata: looks incredible if it delivers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00035894 = 5.0252 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: neato
undata: Cloud Imperium does look pretty badass, if the videos are any indication of where it's headed
undata: there's something amusing in there about proles pouring enough money to build a real rocket into a toy, but..
pete_dushenski: real rockets don't provide as many hours of entertainment for as many proles
pete_dushenski: it's all about roi where "return" is in units of time mindlessly consumed
undata: "The humans then turned their attention inward, creating ever more realistic virtual worlds to live within. The comet hit in 2091."
cazalla: pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher
pete_dushenski: cazalla it'll happen
undata: cazalla: if you pay me $2.5k, I will imagine an incredible ship for you.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> pete_dushenski, i can see paying $2,500 for a ship in a game, not as a pre-order mind you. i hope for a game where bitcoin is the ingame currency and players set pricing for resources independent of publisher << it;'s called eve
mircea_popescu: 2-3k is about what a titan costs
mircea_popescu: boring as fuck, also.
pete_dushenski: so it exists, trilema guild and all
pete_dushenski: undata how incredible are we talking? like built-in-easy-bake-oven-incredible?
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc3_Iy1UouQ << for my curiosity, anyone know what this is ?
assbot: Mihai Margineanu - Tiganeasca - super tare melodia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4jxlC )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya, i know of eve but who wants to fuck about with fiat to isk to bitcoin, y u nao use bitcoin itself already
mircea_popescu: actually you can go isk-bitcoin straight.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00035894 = 2.8715 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: for that matter, you can trade s.mpoe for isk
pete_dushenski: if only the dumper knew that before!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, is isk created in same fashion as wow gold?
mircea_popescu: pretty much
pete_dushenski: so i've decided to join the mechanical keyboard ranks
mats_cd03: so hip
pete_dushenski: i ordered a model m and a unicomp to see how they stack up
pete_dushenski: tres chic
mircea_popescu: you people with your retro fashions will be the end of the fucking world
mircea_popescu: buncha terrorists
mircea_popescu: what's next, mechanical sex instead of virtual sex ?
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: maybe mechanical bitcoin miners are on the horizon
pete_dushenski: they could be built to last for 1000s of years
pete_dushenski: and what is #b-a if not terrorist central?
pete_dushenski: speaking of nothing, my latest: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/03/to-a-redditard/
assbot: To A Redditard | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4kJFF )