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scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/rbnz-does-not-feel-threatened-by-bitcoin/
mircea_popescu: saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even.
mircea_popescu: i think half the liquid i drink is milk.
mircea_popescu: joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D
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mircea_popescu: undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ?
mircea_popescu: joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye.
mircea_popescu: undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two.
mircea_popescu: so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse
mircea_popescu: ie, wild apricots.
mircea_popescu: may be the worst scampeaches i ever did see.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/usps-hacked-every-employees-personal-information-compromised/
mircea_popescu: bwahhaha
mircea_popescu: "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!"
mircea_popescu: saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ?
mircea_popescu: saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash.
mircea_popescu: and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either.
mircea_popescu: which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit.
mircea_popescu: joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit.
mircea_popescu: saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds [...] they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk nothing is "meant", srsly.
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joecool: mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2014#822509☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
mircea_popescu: joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat.
mircea_popescu: just a latin thing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads.
xanthyos: <+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
BingoBoingo: Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads.
mircea_popescu: ;;google cluj sora
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile it sold out, became a "shopping center"
xanthyos: <<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out
mircea_popescu: xanthyos moar like, what do they do.
xanthyos: i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information
xanthyos: bagels7: ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so...
mircea_popescu: a, np
joecool: mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring?
mircea_popescu: joecool that was never very clearly specified.
joecool: is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"?
mircea_popescu: well, it's a polite way of saying nothing at all :)
joecool: :) fair enough
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time.
mircea_popescu: which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p
BingoBoingo: I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt.
BingoBoingo: Buttermilk is accessible here.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZjH6mpbyQ
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BingoBoingo: It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here.
BingoBoingo: lol, makes a body bitter
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gernika: I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone.
nubbins`: grains are great
mircea_popescu: gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons
cazalla: 10 kids? wash ya mouth out
mircea_popescu: poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia
nubbins`: mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day
nubbins`: LEL I KID
mircea_popescu: meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud whippet
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippets | Whipped-cream-in-a-can is propelled by nitrous oxide. This usage is the source of the term "whippet". The term has come to refer to any little canister that'll give ...
mircea_popescu: lmao
ben_vulpes: mmm nox
gernika: mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then
mircea_popescu: anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with"
nubbins`: ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8)
mircea_popescu: gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes.
mircea_popescu: and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap.
nubbins`: !
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mircea_popescu: lol
gernika: mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same.
mircea_popescu: nah, not before caesar at any rate.
mircea_popescu: for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat.
ben_vulpes: nice nubbins`.
gernika: well, no olives
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat
nubbins`: actually maybe barley
nubbins` shrugs
mircea_popescu: doubt it. maybe some sort of millet ? or rye ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough
mircea_popescu: the romans made bread, ie, in an oven
mircea_popescu: huge fucken difference between frying and baking
ben_vulpes: emmer?
gernika: looks like barley and emmer wheat
mircea_popescu: emmer wheat ok.
mircea_popescu: farro.
ben_vulpes: wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then?
gernika: And apparently beer (from the barley)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received
mircea_popescu: sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess.
mircea_popescu: same principle anyway.
mircea_popescu: !up aspho
aspho: Hey, did qntra just go coindesk or what? http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ (reddit of all places, sigh)
assbot: National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | Qntra.net
assbot: Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
nubbins`: hrm
nubbins`: "your order number is 999"
nubbins`: o.O
nubbins` checks for fisher-price logo
mircea_popescu: "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country"
mircea_popescu: there are reports... coulda been worse.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ?
nubbins`: !up Vexual
cazalla: aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk
cazalla: https://plus.google.com/events/cgmh17inrj7123k5gsott6udhfo
aspho: Semantics isn't it?
aspho: tbf I read it both ways
mircea_popescu: cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ?
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lvczp/ukraine_and_bitcoin_clarification/ << Doesn't seem to contradict the Qntra report.
assbot: Ukraine and Bitcoin. Clarification : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..."
mircea_popescu: lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b
mircea_popescu: andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means
mircea_popescu: an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything.
mircea_popescu: saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar.
cazalla: aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook
mircea_popescu: !up agamemno123
cazalla: and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible
BingoBoingo: As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer.
cazalla: i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot*
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything
aspho: Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh)
mircea_popescu: aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "getting attention"
BingoBoingo: Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier.
xanthyos: bagels7: speak to the man!
aspho: ya next time
mircea_popescu: anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php.
BingoBoingo: Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose...
Vexual: hey glucose is fat free
mircea_popescu: but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!"
mircea_popescu: !up supay
mircea_popescu: in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar
xanthyos: !up bagels7
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well.
mircea_popescu: !up username0
BingoBoingo: The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect.
mircea_popescu: !up username0_
mircea_popescu: !up aspho
xanthyos: hi bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol
mircea_popescu: punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there?
mircea_popescu: about the steak there.
fluffypony: oh I'm dead keen
fluffypony: the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles
mircea_popescu: i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently.
nubbins`: yup
nubbins`: i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef
mircea_popescu: nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous.
fluffypony: nubbins` btw
nubbins`: oh THAT south ___
nubbins`: they did not serve south african beef
fluffypony: I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made
fluffypony: and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :)
nubbins`: not bad!
nubbins`: imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: imagine if you were naked!
mircea_popescu: no wait.
mircea_popescu: that wouldn't work.
fluffypony: hah hah
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mircea_popescu: ;;bare tits tshirt
BingoBoingo: Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout
gribble: Error: "bare" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?"
mircea_popescu: ;;google bare tits tshirt
gribble: Amateur girls in wet tshirts flashing boobs - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1r3wc6_amateur-girls-in-wet-tshirts-flashing-boobs_redband>; wet shirt contest topless nude - Video Dailymotion: <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1aaazf_wet-shirt-contest-topless-nude_redband>; Big Tits and Fine Ass Wet T-Shirt Contest - Video Dailymotion: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: check out the dailymotion monopoly.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, something like http://images.halloweencostume.com/products/11388/1-1/adult-hands-covering-boobs-t-shirt.jpg
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you do that, but for male shirts ?
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin brings out the best in you" or w/e.
nubbins`: maybe a hand cupping the genitals
nubbins`: another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest
mircea_popescu: make a 6pack one for girls
mircea_popescu: nah dude, genderbendin'!
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: far out!
nubbins`: speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/dEz2h75
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xanthyos: ;;ident bagels7
gribble: Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified.
xanthyos: ;;ident sophiesakura
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
xanthyos: ;;gettrust sophiesakura
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user sophiesakura: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=sophiesakura | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sophiesakura | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is that an acid dropping guide ?
Vexual: he is
nubbins`: metallic inks on black paper
nubbins`: you should see the inside :0
mircea_popescu: "As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It’s something I do often, and something I do well."
mircea_popescu: god help us.
xiando: tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared
nubbins`: xiando out of left field
mircea_popescu: xiando apparently his guide is "go birdwatching"
nubbins`: solo trip is something one must experience at least once
cazalla: did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again
mircea_popescu: "I’m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up."
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits.
Vexual: it's all about the duck
nubbins`: duck w/ mushrooms is nice
nubbins`: oh wait sorry
BingoBoingo: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=0
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nubbins`: http://imgur.com/VIRQVS1
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nubbins`: the greater black-backed gull
nubbins`: protip: click to zoom
xiando: Mr. McMurtry said his handling of a case is sometimes determined by department wish lists. "If you want the car, and you really want to put it in your fleet, let me know -- I'll fight for it," Mr. McMurtry said, http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/10/us/police-use-department-wish-list-when-deciding-which-assets-to-seize.html?_r=1 MUURICA and we got similar local laws last month
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xiando: I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times
joecool: wat jewelry too hard to dispose of?
BingoBoingo: joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother?
cazalla: xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz?
BingoBoingo: Also yeah, jewellry is a sucker's market.
xiando: Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people.
asciilifeform: incidentally (ianal!!) but usa has a federal law prescribing punishment for destroying property in order to prevent, iirc, 'lawful seizure.' does this still apply for... unlawful seizure?
nubbins`: "i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what?
xiando: black people
nubbins`: 8)
xiando: My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull.
nubbins`: sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D
joecool: lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange
ben_vulpes: hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me?
ben_vulpes: well "with me"
ben_vulpes: i say "make this thing"
joecool: he said the a-word, pass
joecool: ben_vulpes: what's the budget
ben_vulpes: the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime
ben_vulpes: its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on
cazalla: xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me
BingoBoingo: cazalla: What about the Abbos?
cazalla: !up Vexual
nubbins`: ben_vulpes what's the app for
joecool: abbies yo
cazalla: BingoBoingo, they are not people
joecool: good to know
Vexual: xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me?
nubbins`: Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed
nubbins`: crazy
Vexual: just jewelry
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-11/001538.html << herr Walker reviews a book which describes the pitiful state of usg's land-based icbms
assbot: Reading List: Command and Control (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
mircea_popescu: xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe.
decimation: the lefties then interview young men who gave their youth to usg to 'man missiles' http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/air-force-missile-wing-minuteman-iii-nuclear-weapons-burnout
assbot: Death Wears Bunny Slippers | Mother Jones
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> xiando, I'm black << are you actually ?
mircea_popescu: decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make.
Vexual: notrly
decimation: what, the icbms?
mircea_popescu: yes
decimation: yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon
decimation: maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)"
decimation: "Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases."
decimation: it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter
asciilifeform: decimation: that was sorta the point. tie up opponent's rockets, fewer remain for cities and known sub coordinates
asciilifeform: decimation: of course, this is back when the advantage of land rocket was used - they were once fitted with 'mirv'
decimation: which makes more sense of course
asciilifeform: so, the land rockets, sitting ducks as they were, were still forced targets
Vexual: ftas is where its at
decimation: and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues
asciilifeform: human statues << unlike every other military sentry?
asciilifeform: srsly, they signed up for human statue detail
Vexual: were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate
decimation: asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he
asciilifeform: lol, it was always traditional wisdom that a fellow with less than perfect eyes will fly 'mahogany bombers'
decimation: http://spacenews.com/article/military-space/42481us-missile-defense-agency-intercepts-three-targets-in-%E2%80%9Craid%E2%80%9D-test << usg wants to physically demonstrate ascii's anti-missiie theory
assbot: U.S. Missile Defense Agency Intercepts Three Targets in “Raid” Test | SpaceNews.com
mod6: cazalla BingoBoingo would either of you guys mind tweeting out a link to this? http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/
assbot: Bitcoin Declaration of Sovereignty Filed | Qntra.net
decimation: "But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind
decimation: turbine technician."
asciilifeform: 'He later confessed to chatting for most of a night with the hotel's cigar sales lady, who was asking questions "about physics and optics"—and thinking to himself: "Dude, this doesn't normally happen." Carey was stripped of his command in October' << lol, 'cigar lady' gets 'order of lenin.'
decimation: hehe
decimation: the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet
asciilifeform: all the 'mother jones' photos are from an ancient museum silo
asciilifeform: i saw them a hundred times.
cazalla: mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically
asciilifeform: shame.
asciilifeform: what man, woman, child on planet hasn't seen the 'domino pizza' one ?
decimation: asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets
asciilifeform: lol, like the lock.
asciilifeform: (posted here, ~6 mo. ago)
asciilifeform: 'sewer pipes in two Malmstrom launch facilities ruptured and a deep stew of human waste lingered at the bottom of the capsules. Despite the intolerable stench, the colonel in charge refused to take the units offline for repair. The men were instead ordered to defecate in a cardboard box lined with a plastic bag, but since nobody wanted to carry the box upstairs when it got full, the missileers began relieving t
asciilifeform: hemselves from a gangplank directly into the bottom of the capsule. This went on for four or five months.'
asciilifeform: mega-lol.
decimation: hehe yeah
decimation: of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug."
decimation: this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell
decimation: pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious
decimation: I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too
mod6: cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it?
cazalla: mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine
ben_vulpes: this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew.
mod6: ben_vulpes: heheh
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media"
mircea_popescu: using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys.
mircea_popescu: it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#532023☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2014 06:23:40; asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too << not exactly. http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/#footnote_0_51832
assbot: Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "samocritika"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes clearly, sabotage.
mircea_popescu: by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ?
mircea_popescu: "As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also
mircea_popescu: on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required."
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ?
decimation: right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems
mircea_popescu: but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks.
mircea_popescu: this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass
mircea_popescu: as if that sort of kid ever learns anything anyway.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes howdja mean.
ben_vulpes: but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please.
ben_vulpes: !s glue glass
assbot: 3 results for 'glue glass' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=glue+glass
mircea_popescu: i c
decimation: https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/367/ "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever."
assbot: Abolition of Nobility
decimation: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24391 @ 0.0006463 = 15.7639 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.000648 = 2.8836 BTC [+]
Vexual: there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia
Vexual: i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights
Vexual: then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success
decimation: .... . .-.. .--.
decimation: http://jalopnik.com/5906006/how-one-australian-town-helped-a-doomed-plane-win-historys-greatest-air-race
assbot: How One Australian Town Helped A Doomed Plane Win History's Greatest Air Race
Vexual: I'm prolly way off
Vexual: I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare
mod6: mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there.
Vexual: his navigator and wife was unhappy
ben_vulpes: might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold
ben_vulpes: individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by
assbot: Bagels7 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ben_vulpes: lol apropos
ben_vulpes: !up bagels7
ben_vulpes: bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that?
bagels7: Im really not sure
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bagels7
gribble: Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is identified as user 'Bagels7', with GPG key id 82C85EDC160BB29F, key fingerprint ACE4936BDD6EBB8338F5282E82C85EDC160BB29F, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power
ben_vulpes: he's not even noisy these days
Vexual: it's a use
ben_vulpes: owait misread the + for a -
mircea_popescu: that's an abuse of your reading!
Vexual: it's a use
ben_vulpes: stop abusing me!
mircea_popescu: bagels7 you xanthyos' friend ?
Vexual: niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm
bagels7: yes mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: Vexual: after all i've done for you...
ben_vulpes: (i can't resist - what is it?!)
Vexual: your newfound love of lisp
ben_vulpes: no no the nikki
ben_vulpes: i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce
Vexual: she might have been reading the logs
asciilifeform fell into sin; for the first time in half a decade, cracked a copy protection gizmo
asciilifeform grunted for ~100 hours on it, very gnarly boobytrap, defused.
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU769XX_dIQ
assbot: Nicki Minaj - Only (Lyric) ft. Drake, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown - YouTube
ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados
asciilifeform: nein nein nein nein nein.
asciilifeform not impressed
Vexual: lol
ben_vulpes: it's the best modern america can do
Vexual: .... . .-.. .--.
Vexual: jurov is a title in this new state?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes (isambard k. brunel!) - saw the 'github.' might be worth making a note on therealbitcoin.org re: the 'github' not being authoritative.
asciilifeform: (can you see why important?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22978 @ 0.000648 = 14.8897 BTC [+]
Vexual: is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it?
pete_dushenski: ahoy
pete_dushenski: !up Vexual
Vexual: you planning to inject some bc into the australian economy pete_dushenski?
pete_dushenski: fiat for sure
pete_dushenski: btc is tbd
Vexual: good timing
Vexual: dies gribble do fiat pairs?
Vexual: ;;google 1 aud in usd
gribble: XE: (AUD/USD) Australian Dollar to US Dollar Rate: <http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?From=AUD&To=USD>; XE.com - AUD/USD Chart: <http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AUD&to=USD>; XE: (USD/AUD) US Dollar to Australian Dollar Rate: <http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?From=USD&To=AUD>
Vexual: thanks
Vexual: did you buy any plastic money yet pete_dushenski? they don't take greenback here
pete_dushenski: cad is plastic too yknow
joecool: it smells of maple syrup too
pete_dushenski: and beavers
Vexual: you'll get a better rate at home
pete_dushenski: oh most definitely
pete_dushenski: not my first overseas rodeo ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39695 @ 0.00064443 = 25.5806 BTC [-]
joecool actually wasn't kidding
pete_dushenski: lol how do you figure joecool ?
pete_dushenski: not like anyone here uses cash anyways
pete_dushenski: debit, credit, etc is 95% of cad transactions
joecool: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/28/186890578/does-canadas-100-bill-smell-like-maple-syrup-many-say-so <
assbot: Does Canada's $100 Bill Smell Like Maple Syrup? Many Say So : The Two-Way : NPR
Vexual: our money smells like chanel 5
joecool: pete_dushenski: i used it until i had interac (debit), a lot of places will not do credit
pete_dushenski: which part of canada was that in?
joecool: ontario
joecool: GTA
pete_dushenski: right. in ontario for sure
pete_dushenski: credit is widely used in alberta: hot economy, bezzlemania
pete_dushenski: only bubble tea shops are debit/cash
joecool: yeah i don't recall having much issue in the maritimes this summer, i was fine in montreal too
pete_dushenski: ontario is also a far larger province so there's a much wider range of businesses
pete_dushenski: alberta is mostly franchises, sorta the only thing that can keep up with the insane horizontal expansion of cities
pete_dushenski: montreal definitely likes its cash
Vexual: who doesnt?
pete_dushenski: i was in montreal last weekend and i gotta say it's downright enjoyable to be in a city with a proper mafia
pete_dushenski: the cops are nowhere near as uppity and self-important
joecool: heh, i'll head back there this winter sometime, fun city
pete_dushenski: it probably helps that the cops in mtl drive dodge caravans
pete_dushenski: the least threatening mode of transport since the segway
pete_dushenski: joecool one of my favs as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42000 @ 0.00064776 = 27.2059 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: what takes you there?
joecool: a longtime friend of mine lives there
pete_dushenski: a nice
pete_dushenski: i'd definitely recommend checking out the anthropological museum if you haven't already
Vexual: is montreal qbec?
joecool: yes
pete_dushenski: plus this polish restaurant in the old town with the most fantastic borscht
pete_dushenski: Vexual mhm
pete_dushenski: lemme find the name of that restaurant...
pete_dushenski: http://www.stashcafe.com
assbot: Montreal Restaurant - Polish Food - Stash Cafe
pete_dushenski: the canard roti was most excellent as well
pete_dushenski: it was an entire half bird!
Vexual: one might arrive by horse drawn cart?
pete_dushenski: lol actually yes
pete_dushenski: saifedean:lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... << heh the guy's gone deeper into the archives that i'd thought. i like!
Vexual: bitchin
Vexual: whats to drink?, theres no list
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? << this is incidentally exactly why we should s/google/duckduckgo already
pete_dushenski: Vexual rotating list i guess
pete_dushenski: byob is pretty common in mtl though
Vexual: ill have the soup
pete_dushenski: only just starting to see this in alberta
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. << i lasted 3 months. maybe coulda gone longer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064443 = 4.511 BTC [-]
xanthyos: ;;gettrust bagels7
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user bagels7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=bagels7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bagels7 | Rated since: never
xanthyos: !up bagels7
xanthyos: omg
xanthyos: sophie bagelz in teh wot!
xanthyos: ;;rate bagels7 1 known on efnet and tinychat 5 years. friendly, courteous canadian. average- to poor-skilled internet poker player.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bagels7 has been recorded.
pete_dushenski: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/41hUkcLM
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 14-day Eviction Notice - Pastebin.com
punkbot: pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
pete_dushenski: ^an experiment ;D
xanthyos: !up vexual
pete_dushenski: bagels7 is canadian eh?
xanthyos: montreal
Vexual: is sophie hot xanthyos?
pete_dushenski: lol what a coincidence!
Vexual: or does she just ug up tinychat?
xanthyos: !down Vexual
pete_dushenski: lol
pete_dushenski: don't mess with xanthyos' girl
xanthyos: just a friend
pete_dushenski: cool
xanthyos: !up vexual
Vexual: i was joking how tinychat isn't a thing
Vexual: unlees youre 15
pete_dushenski: saifedean:my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human << this does sound rather splendid.
pete_dushenski: good food never goes out of fashion, even if it might occupy a smaller piece of the pie in bezzletimes
Vexual: theres really nothing better to spend money on than food
pete_dushenski: saifedean: Vancouver is another possibility... << try affording to live there. bon chance!
pete_dushenski: vancouver is the worst major city, in essentially every regard, and all of which stem from a hyperbezzle housing market, in canada... after toronto.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's bonne chance you kno
pete_dushenski: so it is!
pete_dushenski: saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans << for steaks, alberta is up there.
punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1JHpQ1AS
pete_dushenski: as long as you avoid the hipster derps with their grass-fed sous vide nonsense
pete_dushenski: they try so hard, and fail so large
mircea_popescu: ahahaha eviction notice deed ?
mircea_popescu: win.
Vexual: pete_dushenski: are you adverse to shellfish like lobster?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu something different eh?
pete_dushenski: Vexual ya, not much for shellfish, only started eating fish in the last 2 years.
mircea_popescu: punkman maybe add a "total deeds in total bundles" thing between the address and your contact ?
mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trusted <<< tho i gotta say this is pretty sweet.
assbot: Trusted keys | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: could it be sortable by columns ? (most browsers support this afaik, needs a table class="datadisplay sortable")
Vexual: consider lobster, it's not really a shellfish
mircea_popescu: also, total trust prolly shouldn't be emphasized.
Vexual: yay
pete_dushenski: reading the logs about paleo, black coffee etc, the health-related upsides of this cult are readily apparent.
pete_dushenski: this should be part of our marketing hook
pete_dushenski: it's not enough to just pretend to be all-powerful and all-conquering and then execute
Vexual: no, one should always stop off for lunch somewhere nice on the journey
pete_dushenski: saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << aren't nuts part of paleo ?
pete_dushenski researching which "nuts" are actually seeds. can't remember
pete_dushenski: " 'nuts' that aren’t include Brazil nuts, Cashews, Walnuts, Coconuts, Macadamia nuts, Peanuts, Tom Cruise, and Pistachios"
Vexual: theres no good reasoning to a paleo diet, it's no bread no pasta no fun
asciilifeform: paleo << ahahaha.
pete_dushenski: oh, plus almonds
asciilifeform waits for paleobitcoin where we calculate the way the gods meant us to, with little calculi - pebbles.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, i don't know about cashews, there is a shortage didya know?
Vexual: really?
cazalla: Vexual, yeah big cashew shortage
Vexual: i got more cashews than chicken last night
pete_dushenski: bigger chicken shortage
pete_dushenski: it's all relative
Vexual: gotta prepare them properly cashews
asciilifeform: who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion?
pete_dushenski: jane goodall?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << chin up soldier!
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
Vexual: satoshi expose will fix that
Vexual: or you get foot in mouth
asciilifeform goes off for paleosleep
Vexual: or some variation of loose stool
asciilifeform or no, he won't, because likes box spring, rather than pit of own shit
Vexual: don't chew the pillow; it's cotton
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WJA1GQ.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 4
asciilifeform reminds listeners still tuned in that 'reversed stupidity is not intelligence.'
asciilifeform: avoiding mickey-d and other fine recyclable edibles does not lead to immortality. cheers.
pete_dushenski: cheers asciilifeform
pete_dushenski: and by extension of the same point, pure-mcd's diet does not lead to immediate death
pete_dushenski: these mortal coils being made out of some resilient shit
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1JHpQ1ASmtNXg39tvGghDjyQE4r3n5cVYk | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1JHpQ1AS
pete_dushenski: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/amazing-photos-of-chinas-newest-stealth-jet-show-growin-1657003826
assbot: Amazing Photos Of China's Newest Stealth Jet Show Growing Air Might
pete_dushenski: !up Vexual
Vexual: thanks, that cargo plane look sexy
pete_dushenski: heh ya.
pete_dushenski: china's air force has got it going on
Vexual: they don't fuck about thats for sure
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados << damn. wayne still has it!
Vexual: even the awac version looks good like tey designed both at once
Vexual: the tail missile holds the radar
Vexual: i dont hink anything so useful ever looked so good
mats_cd03: twin engine f35
Vexual: meh
mats_cd03: oh god thats rich
Vexual: they dont even work yet
Vexual: do yo uthink that awac plane is pretend?
Vexual: nope , it needs a big arse runway
Vexual: ok f35s are pretty cool
mats_cd03: i doubt any of it is fake hardware
Vexual: f35 looks way cooler than chinese fighters
mats_cd03: it all exists already and its not like dod affiliates have good security
mats_cd03: thank usg taxpayers for latest advances in cn, ru aircraft design
Vexual: well a mig would prolly shoot the shit outta that thing today
mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 370.58, Best ask: 371.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.42000, Last trade: 370.58, 24 hour volume: 19077.46038459, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 377.77, 24 hour vwap: 370.039710474
Vexual: pilots fly planes
mats_cd03: go on
Vexual: i dunno i heard some people are dissapointed with f35s
mats_cd03: they are known to suck
mats_cd03: aircraft design by committee usually does
Vexual: leaving an fa-18 can't be easy
Vexual: those fucker lready go straight up
mats_cd03: http://www.syverson.org/entropist-final.pdf
mats_cd03: footnote 7 is great
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? << was this one of the lefty us "anthropologists" that keep going to sleep with apes in africa ?
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: you really gotta get into the wot
saifedean: i do, and you really gotta get paleo :)
saifedean: it's just that computer literacy, wot, irc gpg, and all that is just too much to process at the same time
saifedean: until last week i spent my life using my computer like i use my washing machine, just getting my dirty deeds done as quickly as possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00064728 = 29.9043 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Dovecot's author takes pride in secure design and implementation. A reward of EUR 1,000 (approximately $1,310 USD, £840 GBP, 130000 Yen as of May 2013) has been announced for finding any remotely exploitable security flaw."
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
saifedean: thanks for the voice, mp!
mircea_popescu: ye
saifedean: mp: " eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?" <<< you stop being a teenage girl about it and enjoy life without these sugar highs and their crashes. Getting your energy from animal fats makes you constantly alert and with high energy reserves, not dependent on getting your next sugar kick to do anything, and not constantly crashing.
mircea_popescu: but... i am neither ?
saifedean: "you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?" how very publicly spirited of you, sacrificing your own health so you can eat in a way that lets peasants survive in giant urban hell-holes!
mircea_popescu: i dun care either way lol
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saifedean: the point from looking at evolution is not to mimic the life of ancient humans, it is to figure out what are the things that make our lives better and what makes it worse. humans love to dip in streams, seas and rivers, and washing copies that. humans only recently developed condoms, and sex in condoms does definitively suck. having unwanted kids sucks more, so you do have to don one, but you would still rather not.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't suck, get out.
cazalla: saifedean, fuck yeah paleo, do you slaughter your animals with your barehands or what?
cazalla ripped the head off a rabbit and fried it in butter with rosemary for dinner.. PALEO!
mircea_popescu: cazalla you actually eat the brain ?
cazalla: no, that goes into compost
cazalla: i've read something about some rabbit brain disease that is not destroyed by cooking
saifedean: the brain is the best part!
cazalla: saifedean, i'll eat the kidneys/liver sometimes but compost the rest
saifedean: yeah i was kidding, ive rarely had rabbits and never had its brain, but i do love sheep brains, and all gizzards
mircea_popescu: well, all nervous accumulates prions, but i dunno what the situation is for rabbit
mircea_popescu: imbeciles doing "scientific" cattle raising in europe have sadly made oxtail soup too risky
mircea_popescu: a fie upon their early graves!
saifedean: lots of good research on the effect of grains on human brains... http://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar-Your-Killers/dp/031623480X
assbot: Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth about Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar--Your Brain's Silent Killers: David Perlmutter, Kristin Loberg: 9780316234801: Amazon.com: Books
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, quod me nutrit
saifedean: really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely.
saifedean: but anyways, enough diet preaching,
mircea_popescu: im not dismissing it per se
cazalla: saifedean, can i drink alcohol on paleo?
saifedean: the less sugary, the better, so i think vodka is the least bad
saifedean: obviously, you can do whatever you want, and you can always have things in moderation and your body will be fine. the problem is when you have things in excess, when they become a regular part of your diet, and that is true for alcohol as well as grains
mircea_popescu: well so then.
saifedean: i'm 34 and in better shape than i ever was, much fitter and stronger than when i was 18. i play football with my university's varsity team, the fittest 18-22 year olds in my college and i'm in better shape than most of them. when i was their age, i was nowhere near fit enough to get into a varsity team, 15 years later, with paleo, i am!
mircea_popescu: you should be on tv.
saifedean: lol, i had my own tv show when i was in college...
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saifedean: a young people channel's debate show, it was horrific, but fortunately predates youtube and so no evidence of it remains
mircea_popescu: luckly you
cazalla: i've been on tv too but not my own show heh
cazalla: actually, twice
punkman: https://wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.bitnik.org/r/
assbot: !Mediengruppe Bitnik | Random Darknet Shopper
mircea_popescu: is this like the new tor ?
mircea_popescu: "nobody will think of wwwwww" ?
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punkman: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2014/08/14/what-are-we-actually-rating-when-we-rate-other-people/
assbot: Uber's Ratings Terrorize Drivers And Trick Riders. Why Not Fix Them? - Forbes
punkman: "At the end of the trip, the driver turned around and begged my fiancee to give him five stars, explaining that he was one bad review away from being deactivated and losing his access to the platform. He wouldn’t let us out of the cab until she promised to do so"
mircea_popescu: ugh
punkman: yep
cazalla: anyway this is me on tv, ya might need to turn the sound up to hear and look at the middle of the tv screen to see skype call pop up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAQtXNQDLo
assbot: i'm on TV, oh shiz, first cops, now this, imma be a star son! - YouTube
cazalla: guy on right did a toshiba laptop scam tv pitch and i pranked him over and over on live tv
cazalla: poor cunt didn't know what to do
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mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-11-07-bungie-exec-swatted first swatting i've seen that involved a fkn helicopter lol
assbot: Bungie exec swatted | GamesIndustry.biz
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: bet you it's a "feminist"
BingoBoingo: The problem is neither the caller, nor the swatted person. The problem is the proliferation of swat teams
cazalla: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
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mircea_popescu: that groupon thing is such a scandalous failure.
mircea_popescu: i mean... it claimed to be worth money. then it turned out the entire thing was fraudulent, through and through. nobody got put away, of course, because this is the us and "tough on crime" maryjane
mircea_popescu: so on they trudge, unable to deliver any value to anyone, supposedly worth however many bezzelions.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell richih listen, your blog is down. there's no point sending broadcasts if your thing can't take the traffic.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: meh, guy's probably not in any relevant channel anyway huh.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/freederp.png
mircea_popescu: !up _flow_
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BingoBoingo: https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lypd1/peter_todd_on_changetip_not_a_real_bitcoin_app/clzd6yb << Gavin Speaks
assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal
BingoBoingo: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/11/10/the-sjws-now-get-to-police-speech-on-twitter/
assbot: The SJWs Now Get To Police Speech On Twitter « The Dish
danielpbarron: great; probably gonna get my account suspended
BingoBoingo: Well, I've seen some become unsuspended
danielpbarron: my account is fairly old; hopefully thst gives me some leeway in woman hating
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWJrpA8FnE
assbot: Russian military NASTY SUPPRISE in a box for US military - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ science fiction, but not quite.
Duffer1: http://io9.com/hbo-will-make-asimovs-foundation-with-interstellars-jon-1657018306
assbot: HBO Will Make Asimov's Foundation With Interstellar's Jonathan Nolan
BingoBoingo kind of expected the punchline to be quadrocopter actually delivered fresh fruit
asciilifeform: very fresh fruit.
asciilifeform: note the diesel-genset tether in the last one
asciilifeform: iirc we did that one right here.
asciilifeform: (it is hands-down the most practical 'wunderwaffen' shown in the film.)
mike_c: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
mike_c: hm. not from here.
asciilifeform: naturally, the gigantic chopper is a monumentally-unimaginative idea.
asciilifeform: instead, truck ought to contain 1000+ little choppers.
asciilifeform: with thermite limpets.
asciilifeform: it takes, what, 100g to perforate an airplane?
asciilifeform: let them fly to and weld onto the victims at night, quietly and with no fanfare.
asciilifeform: or in the day, and let the idiots shoot one another with own small arms while trying to bag some.
asciilifeform: the large chopper is really more like something the americans would use.
BingoBoingo: Tiny chopper is definitely the more interesting concept
asciilifeform: 'asymmetric', to use the american term.
BingoBoingo: Well the benefit of many small choppers is that the people releasing them may escape long enough to die in the name of brining the enemy other pain
BingoBoingo: http://scholarlyoa.com/2014/10/09/ridiculous-oa-journal-launches-with-ridiculous-title/
assbot: Ridiculous OA Journal Launches with Ridiculous Title | Scholarly Open Access
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "githug" yes, i understand the weaknesses, and it deserves a callout
ben_vulpes: i weary of guarding fools from themselves already
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is not about fools; it's about something that is legitimately counter-intuitive to 'civilians' - who usually assume, correctly, that a www repo is authoritative.
ben_vulpes: civilians, right.
thestringpuller gives ben_vulpes a githug
ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines
thestringpuller: why are you in wordpress mines?
ben_vulpes: clients.
ben_vulpes: i am making an http redirect
ben_vulpes: because there are mysterious 'stage' strings prepended to some posts
ben_vulpes: some posts urls*
ben_vulpes: and nobody knows the history of why this whoopie is this way
ben_vulpes: and we don't have access to the original boxen
ben_vulpes: cruft cruft cruft it up
ben_vulpes: try not to fuck it up!
ben_vulpes: merrily merrily merrily merrily
ben_vulpes: peoples use of computers makes me want to kill myself
TomServo: BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/cpjta Some wasted space on the right side, recent posts box ends up underneath the current stories.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TomServo: Let me know if you want to see landscape mode.
thestringpuller: lol mobile qntra
thestringpuller: you can still read it
thestringpuller: :P
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: those clients sound special.
xanthyos: !up bagels7
ben_vulpes: ;;ident bagels7
gribble: Nick 'bagels7', with hostmask 'bagels7!bagels7@modemcable232.144-161-184.mc.videotron.ca', is not identified.
jurov: https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10750243_802192643172549_2785477057758423743_o.jpg
jurov: asciilifeform: want some? ^^
thestringpuller: my hypothesis is that asciilifeform is part robot
jurov: thestringpuller you haven't met him.
jurov: i have very hard time imagining a robot so... er... a bit pudgy?
thestringpuller: who da fuck is peter todd?
thestringpuller: and why is twitter telling me to follwo him
dignork: TomServo | BingoBoingo: http://imgur.com/a/cpjta Some wasted space on the right side << I suggest adding this to style.css http://dpaste.com/385MY23
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: dpaste: 385MY23
mike_c: min-width of 800px? that would make it side-scroll, no?
dignork: i tried with resizing browser on pc, left menu drops to bottom, but the article stretches to full width
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mike_c: heh, that's because there is a bug
mike_c: you made it "min-width: 800 px", which is nothing
mike_c: "min-width: 800px" would make it side-scroll
dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD
assbot: dpaste: 0D7MGFD
asciilifeform: jurov: underpants << lol
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol@ the derp on your blog. "i am ignorant, justify the world to me! because the stupid but lazy have inherited the earth at some point while nobody was paying attention and now that's how it works!!11"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fucking alt-realities these people live in.
asciilifeform: /me fat robot << in america, no other kind of robot!
mircea_popescu: assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal << todd has a point
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: great; probably gonna get my account suspended <<< twitter is not exactly a good venue anyway. why would one wish to maintain a lifeline with the weirdo cult of america ?
mircea_popescu: let them have their fun on their own and they wonder why they're hungry.
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for being a class act, Gavin." hahaha srsly ?
mircea_popescu: team-libtard. "let's thank ourselves for being stupid, it's how they do it on the special olympics too! that's how you win!"
thestringpuller: Huxely strikes again.
mircea_popescu: *: ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines <<< wait wut ? why ?
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/yqJfwDkY << these people spam 'pastebin' now.
assbot: #TakeDownRSD - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: UPDATE tril_posts SET `wp_content` = REPLACE (`post_content`, 'twitter.com', 'trilema.com') WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%twitter.com%'
mircea_popescu: 315 rows affected. (Query took 1.1584 sec)
mircea_popescu: should have done it long ago.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/5WCAcY6X << yet more? asking for spam?
assbot: >>> Real Social Dynamics <<< - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i duin get it ?
asciilifeform: the 'strangler' fellow who was thrown out of australia
mircea_popescu: "On behalf of myself and my peers, I am lodging a formal complaint regarding your provision of financial services to Real Social Dynamics—specifically Real Social Dynamic's co-owner Julien Blanc (pseudonym)—on the grounds that their employees, business practices and instructional literature promote violence against women, sexual harassment, rape and racism."
mircea_popescu: bnwahaha
mircea_popescu: wait, this is how it works ?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure the license to provide services of any kind includes the obligation to provide them universally.
mircea_popescu: so in teh bitcoin future, a financial services firm is not allowed to be down, for anyone and for any reason, or else risks losing its license.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but what about the terrorists!
mircea_popescu: what about them ?
thestringpuller: you can't serve the terrorists. it's unpatriotic
chetty: banks refuse to open accounts all the time ..or close existing ones ..
mircea_popescu: let the police do its job.
thestringpuller: what about the case when someone goes down for "due cause"
mircea_popescu: this "let the word processor be a browser and the browser be a music station and th phone a camera" trend is pure idiocy.
thestringpuller: i.e. MPEx webserver attack, Trade engine failure, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in having a bank be the police. let the police be the police, and if they're no good at it let them go home.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller then they suck.
thestringpuller: so in future MPEx will "never be down"
mircea_popescu: it's never been down for a while.
mircea_popescu: more on point, imagine if the blockchain "were down"
thestringpuller: then bitcoin, would die.
mircea_popescu: something that happens with regularity to fiat banks, "sorry, we can't process txn, our so-called system is down"
asciilifeform: i was in restaurant just the other day, fiat 'was down', delayed for no good reason.
thestringpuller: but there is a possibility (albeit improbably) someone bombs every mining facility on the planet, and the hash rate plummets making block times 10 hours per
mircea_popescu: there's also a possibility the aliens land and start mining.
chetty: I vote for the aliens
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i have a spot of work for a python guru. anyone bored ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of that, i need someone to make me (another) site. anyone wanna make a b-a site ?
thestringpuller: there's already a b-a site
thestringpuller: isn't that kako's job?
mircea_popescu: you might have not noticed this, but! the model is fully decentralised, with delegated subdomains.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is like the dns cabal.
thestringpuller: so it's already done?
thestringpuller: lol
diametric: mircea_popescu: what kind of work in python do you need done?
mircea_popescu: wht is ?
mircea_popescu: diametric well, there's a format for computer models called "3d" something. it sort-of almost works in blender, there's an ancient convertor someone made. this : ttps://github.com/UnoffLandz/unoff-landz/wiki/Editing-Static-3d-Objects
mircea_popescu: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unoffserver/files/Blender%20Scripts/Import%20Export%20e3d%20files/
assbot: UnoffLandz - Browse /Blender Scripts/Import Export e3d files at SourceForge.net
mircea_popescu: i need this brought up to date, because it ties into blender from 2009 and uses python from 2007
thestringpuller: hahahaha
diametric: so you just need it to run in current blender/python?
mircea_popescu: yup
thestringpuller: this is a pretty complex script.
diametric: i'll give it a cursory glance and let you know
mircea_popescu: ty.
thestringpuller: hopefully blender doesn't does do crazy stuff (like MS) between versions like change from lhs to rhs
mircea_popescu: wouldn't surprise me.
thestringpuller: who would be using this program?
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: what are you, oracle ?
diametric: this is pretty gnarly
mircea_popescu: myeah.
thestringpuller: very funny mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: For your reference, please see the following video. It depicts one of Mr. Blanc's instructional seminars where he advocates illegal and racist behavior as well as video footage of Mr. Blanc in the act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grV1iDns87s
assbot: "Pick-Up Artist" pushing Japanese women's heads down to his crotch 白人が日本で大暴れ「日本ではHしほうだい」(字幕) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: now this i gotta see, illegal and racist behaviour
thestringpuller: damn, this while loop is gross.
mircea_popescu: uhhh... srsly, staged crap ? these people need better concerns.
mircea_popescu: “When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I’m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it’s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling ‘PIKACHU’ with a Pikachu shirt on….Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that
mircea_popescu: one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it’s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.”
mircea_popescu: honestly this entire "feminist protesting" stuff reads a whole lot like the sort of crap that tucker max "strategist" derp would come up with
mircea_popescu: da fuck was his name.
mircea_popescu: Ryan Holiday.
asciilifeform: kgb disinfo agitprop that took own life of its own.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... not so much a life. more like a hottopic of its own.
asciilifeform: unrelated: http://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html
assbot: Things That Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than
mircea_popescu: and judging how quickly it comes on the heels of the entire gamergate thing, i;m calling it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the new b-a website?
mircea_popescu: punkman you seriously want to do ALL fo them !? this is very nice and all but imagine what happens if the aliens come to elect you their leader. all the shit drops off maintenance ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually moved to turbo pascal from qbasic back in very long ago.
mircea_popescu: it *was* fast.
thestringpuller: yum qbasic. the first language I ever learned.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to turbo pascal from qbasic << i, also.
punkman: well if I'm elected alien leader, I'll put a few of them to task
mircea_popescu: punkman what if you're elected cumrag.
punkman: problems
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mines << gotta eat.
mircea_popescu: support wordpress actually pays money ? i'm awed.
mircea_popescu: ing*
ben_vulpes: bezzleland.
mircea_popescu: well, if nobody speaks up punkman gets it tomorro, so. speak up.
thestringpuller: i'm interested. but want to know what it is fiiirst
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually ironically enough, pascal was supposed to be a shitty program. c++ was supposed ot be the cat's teats. yet the experience i had over a coupla summers with turbopascal is pretty much unmatched. maybe the only time i actually enjoyed coding.
mircea_popescu: borlandc++ sucked by comparison. maybe because i was too dumb to properly grok the language, or too lazy to learn the spec
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cpp was not designed for humans, but for slave galleys.
mircea_popescu: but holy testlist on a stick mary, who wants it.
punkman: notary, status
notary: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 15 hours and 8 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: o splendor of splendors
punkman: punkbot, balance
notary: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06295 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 572 more bundles.
notary: punkman: Of course, you wouldn't have any 'extra' tobacco
mircea_popescu: lol wait wut
punkman: poor thing got confused
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.ws mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, you ever sorted out the whatever it was ? mah wp expert happens to be sitting across from me.
ben_vulpes: what is the part of wordpress that determines what things are prepended to the slug?
empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (119 milliseconds), mpex.biz (152 milliseconds), mpex.bz (242 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10266 milliseconds), mpex.ws (error)
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes apparently there's an interface in the admin to set it
mircea_popescu: settings > permalinks
mircea_popescu: and apparently you shouldn't get into those guts anyway, just pick custom structure and form a string
ben_vulpes: here's the wacky thing - it's the same on both the old site and the migrated copy.
ben_vulpes: just using "Post name" option.
jurov: Dunno if guru, but I do have few pull requests against py projects.
jurov: *Accepted pull requests.
mircea_popescu: jurov : see above ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and so it doesn't use just the name ?
ben_vulpes: it's got this http://domain/foo/slug
ben_vulpes: the old one was http://domain/foo/bar/slug
mircea_popescu: so add bar ?
ben_vulpes: no slashes in slugs
jurov: Oh you want to sort out weird old mess. Sounds like stuff I am good with.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
jurov: i saw blender+py from 2007
ben_vulpes: old site has /foo/bar as uneditable zone in permalink area on page
ben_vulpes: new site only has /foo/
ben_vulpes: i have no idea where /foo/ is even configured
mircea_popescu: what
mircea_popescu: 's /foo/%postname%/ do ?
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/twilight-of-oligarchs.html << quality lulz from mr. o.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Twilight of the Oligarchs
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a $prefix defined in wp-admin/options-permalink.php but "you really should not fuck with that"
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine that was set at any time.
ben_vulpes: something (perhaps js?) strips the '/', '%'
mircea_popescu: $wp_rewrite->set_permalink_structure($permalink_structure); is the call you care about
undata: asciilifeform: It is likely a failure of my imagination that I cannot guess what sort of violence-entrepreneurs might emerge in the US.
undata: maybe gangs
mircea_popescu: they already have emerged.
mircea_popescu: go buy some dope and some cunt,
mircea_popescu: same people wil be selling water and batteries soonish
undata: mircea_popescu: so gangs?
undata: I could see that.
mircea_popescu: no, not gangs. gangs are roughly what the police is. hardly entrepreneurial/
asciilifeform: undata: in many (most?) places in usa, they won't be readily distinguishable from existing policemen.
undata: asciilifeform: there we go; I was going to suggest "state govts"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they will. VERY distinguishable. recall the previous fall : who dared go around in a militsya uniform ?
undata: many in Texas (not on the fringe) are secessionist
asciilifeform: uniform << in that sense, yes
mircea_popescu: anyway, unlike stockpiling X Y or Z magical golden pill produced on antiquated thinking, going out and making friends with a drug dealer TODAY is both actionable and useful.
mircea_popescu: having those friends will pay in 2020. having a basement full of whatever might get you killed.
undata: mircea_popescu: haha, that's a wonderful PSA
undata: "Make friends with a drug dealer TODAY!"
mircea_popescu: and i dont mean no dime peddling doofus either.
undata: no no, someone with his own enterprise
mircea_popescu: buy a pound of cocaine, uncut, on the premise that it muyst be exactly one pound and exactly uncut.
undata: they've already shown they can operate with independence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: works best if one can find a matching ethnomafia to go in.
mircea_popescu: then flush it down the drain for all it matters, you just want to meet the people involved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform americans aren't a nation. no such for them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no flags involved. pure ethno-colourcode, dialect, mannerisms sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: that's what the flag is.
mircea_popescu: what did you think the flag was
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at least where i live
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/vEXnTjWq << best spam.
assbot: The Obamacare Gestapo 012 - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: did you just download pastebin.com and are now rummaging ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a small experiment, yes
undata: mircea_popescu: here in Oregon there are plenty of farming operations that I wouldn't be surprised if later they take on a more political nature
undata: heavily armed, unfortunately christian, but otherwise seemingly fault tolerant
mircea_popescu: undata you act as if this political thing is a reserve ability all men have.
mircea_popescu: if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW. since they aren't now, they won't later.
undata: mircea_popescu: the one I'm thinking of is better termed a distributor
mircea_popescu: well if the one you're thinking of is, then the one you;re thinking of might be, yes.
undata: but then again they could be the basement full of goods
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW << tricky bit here. 'involved now' almost always means 'share the fate of the new york death ray plot' or 'citadel corp.' or a thousand other stoolie-run shams.
undata: I am unaware of their total capacity to defend themselves
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
mircea_popescu: take ben_vulpes, he's involved now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat.
mircea_popescu: he's not particularly powerful, at least not in any way the pete's derpy commenter would recognise. but that's an unrelated matter.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how so? you have mercenaries now?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i always did, but that is besides the point anyway.
thestringpuller: ^- if greatest soldier alive is in your private army, you are automatically most powerful so very relevant?
mircea_popescu: i have servers, too, and as the ddos rises so do the servers. simple equation there.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk.
mircea_popescu: " And as the unraveling progresses, the violent entrepreneurs develop agendas of their own, which, inevitably, involve having the cooperation flow the other way: instead of cooperating with those formerly in charge, they demand that those formerly in charge start cooperating with them. And it is here that the scene turns bloody."
mircea_popescu: "the sec wants to matter, the sec better get in the wot". hasn't turned bloody yet.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah I understand; I took it as "violence start-ups"
mircea_popescu: i dunno what he meant by it, but what he actually said does allow an interpretation that actually works, so. benefit of the doubt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr o is fixated on the 'elephant's trunk' because that was the organ he saw in action personally while visiting ru in '90s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understandable.
mircea_popescu: undata violence is not merely physical violence. tim swanson got bludgeoned into the dirt, what is that if not violence ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in his words, approx., 'violent entrepreneurs are special and distinct in that they will work whether or not you pay them, whether they're paid simply determines whether they work with you or on you'
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: see ? sovereignty.
mircea_popescu: "the country works whether it's your ally or your enemy, as what it does"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. << does this need elucidation still ?
mircea_popescu: " There tends to be a clean break with the old, collapsing society, which is motivated by money and prestige within society at large, because these entrepreneurial groups are motivated by honor and prestige within the in-group only." << what is the wot if not exactl;y that ?
mircea_popescu: guy pretty much has it, in the working parts.
diametric: http://securelist.com/analysis/publications/67483/stuxnet-zero-victims/
assbot: Stuxnet: Zero Victims - Securelist
cazalla: ddos back or something?
mircea_popescu: looking.
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: there's something afoot with the dns service worldwide tho
mircea_popescu: a they found the domains huh.
asciilifeform: stuxnet << as i described in my article 'don't blame the mice' - imho, iran doesn't really want to live. how we know this? if they wanted to live, there would have been a public impalement of whoever said 'everyone runs winblows, it's ok for us to'
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing ever in deficit in the world is the working brain and the erect penis.
mircea_popescu: everything else is forever abundant. and so... they may well wish to live
mircea_popescu: but who among trhem can think ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say that i agree. they're cheap as dust. but very far, typically, from the 'levers of power'
mircea_popescu: maybe our definitions of working differ.
undata: this topic might help me understand something, if someone wishes to explain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g., i like to imagine that i had 'working brain', yet here i am 'on mars', far away.
undata: Iran to me is a great example of why strict authoritarian systems do not work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the engine spinning on the test bed a working engine or not ?
undata: but to ask a different question, how do we end up with authorities who are rational?
mircea_popescu: till you get your wheels on you're just a prototype. a good one, sure, but...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: test bed << if the proper kind, with simulated loads - aye
mircea_popescu: undata wot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't agree. it doesn't do any work.
asciilifeform: iran authoritarian << poor country, and, afaik, run by populistic idiots generously helped by foreign wreckers from half the globe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a much larger issue there. iran is mostly ethnially persian. the leadership, ethnically arab. on their own, the arabs are usually poor. therefore they depend on govt dole.
asciilifeform: doesn't do any work << usually folks ask 'if x works' with the understanding that x may be on a shelf, in a crate, has not been used in anger yet
mircea_popescu: exactly manchuko scenario replaying itself.
mircea_popescu: what used to be fearless warriors are now blind old dependants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't disagree the brain works. im just saying, it's not working till it does work.
asciilifeform: manchuko << interesting and explains things
mircea_popescu: otherwise endlessly spinning the "simulated loads" of bezzle is a great way to keep a great engine away from the road.
undata: mircea_popescu: my question is how a parasitic overclass is avoided if one is to believe in soverignty and aristocracy?
mircea_popescu: what's your definition of "parasitic" ?
mircea_popescu: manking lives off the soil.
mircea_popescu: mankind*
undata: mircea_popescu: one that eventually wears out the thing underneath, leading to collapse
undata: maybe that's just the nature of it
undata: I'm not convinced I'm asking the right question.
mircea_popescu: listen, until you start doing your own photosinthesis, you can be accused of being "parasitic"
mircea_popescu: it's like accusing someone of us "rape". do they have a penis ? well....
undata: sure, but there's a question of degree there
mircea_popescu: yeah, and that question is called politics.
mircea_popescu: the apportioning of penance among the universally guilty humans, the temproal role of the church,
mircea_popescu: the first central government
undata: so the answer in Iran's case is "because an adjacent sovereign is not fit enough to destroy them?"
mircea_popescu: they're just lazy and stupid.
mircea_popescu: could also say "they're letting the women lead much to their detriment"
mircea_popescu: middle easterners have this problem.
mod6: asciilifeform: are you the author of these patches? : rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz https-snipsnip.tar.gz turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz goodbye-win32.tar.gz ?
asciilifeform: mod6: yes
diametric: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/starttls-downgrade-attacks
assbot: ISPs Removing Their Customers' Email Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation
asciilifeform: mod6: except the 1st
mircea_popescu: mod6 shouldn't you be able to tell ?
ben_vulpes: not rm_rf_upnp you aren't
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha, i think you wrote that one
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i already forgot most of this
mod6: mircea_popescu: eh yeah, just making sure i guess, those wern't posted to the mailing list.
ben_vulpes: gpg --verify should spit out the author
ben_vulpes: i've been a busy boy it's true
asciilifeform: ^^^^
mircea_popescu: diametric i bet you it's a "cost saving measure"
mircea_popescu: "Some of the action is bound to be quite shocking; for instance, while the elites and the oligarchs themselves are rather well defended, at least initially, their children, ensconced in various elite schools, academies and universities, comprise a soft target, setting the stage for school take-overs, mass kidnappings and shootings of a very different sort from the ones seen to date. "
mircea_popescu: so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well sure, more like hotel in london
mircea_popescu: why would i go to fucking london.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather BE the prostitute.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk why to go to london. just following mr. o's thoughts.
ben_vulpes: at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa
asciilifeform: odessa is under american occupation atm, afaik
asciilifeform: (well, more precisely, nato's unofficial little shitgnomes)
mats_cd03: such hostility
mircea_popescu: ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com/
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda my point.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, but the idea is for it to be done for free.
mircea_popescu: generally, that's the formative experience of failure. when one's daughters are given away as objects to they in the other system, because even as objects there they are still worth more than were they to stay in their parents' own system, much like infinitely nothing of something is still more than absolutely all of nothing whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: which is, i guess, what "traditional marriage" is all about.
mircea_popescu: jurov so give it a look let me know ?
mats_cd03: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/09/07/provers.html
assbot: ImperialViolet - A shallow survey of formal methods for C code
asciilifeform: !s formal means
assbot: 7 results for 'formal means' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=formal+means
asciilifeform: !s decaying urbits
assbot: 6 results for 'decaying urbits' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=decaying+urbits
asciilifeform: mathematicized, 'proofy' programming is one part grantsmanship, two parts organized pseudoscience, one part enemy disinfo.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846642☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:45:16; asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-.
asciilifeform: (see also that entire thread.)
mats_cd03: yep, read it
mircea_popescu: 12-08-2014 05:29:50 <punkman> I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book << anything came of this ?
punkman: just the comments that followed
mircea_popescu: kk
gernika: It's hard to go for more than a year here without the company you're working for being sold.
mircea_popescu: !up TheShrander
mircea_popescu: gernika i can see it.
undata: gernika: when I was 16 I worked for a software company which persuaded staff (myself excluded of course) to alter their stock options unfavorably given that they subsequently sold out to HP
undata: that was a formative experience
gernika: undata Pretty sure the same thing happened to me about 3 years ago.
gernika: term sheet change, sell company
TheShrander: i'm gonna hold a speech about the WoT in Italy next month. mircea_popescu we have already talk weeks ago, i'm wyrdmantis, remember?
mircea_popescu: yea.
BingoBoingo: dignork TomServo: Ty
cazalla: dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then: http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD <<< thanks, it's a bit of an improvement for mobile
assbot: dpaste: 0D7MGFD
cazalla: oh, you doing same thing BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I was, but... you can go ahead
cazalla: done
TheShrander: i'm trying get some more people here, so they can understand and not waste money in fucking startups... we will see :D
mircea_popescu: cool.