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mircea_popescu: saifedean: making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin <<< eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the hamburger & canned hot dog crowd is eating very poorly, but that's not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live << no buttermilk ? no yogurt ? why would i even.
mircea_popescu: joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log << good to know someone actually misses me :D
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mircea_popescu: undata: you want economic security; that's it. <<< could a visiting merchant buy a nice ham off of one of your families when passing through ?
mircea_popescu: joecool:plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden saifedean:undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! <<< you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't bat an eye.
mircea_popescu: undata you would after shoveling corpses for a week or two.
mircea_popescu: so the sad news is, argentina has bad peaches down to a fucking artform. this set here, properly juicy, smell great, taste like fucking corcoduse
mircea_popescu: "o no, we will just work with the usg, help them track bitcoiner's shippments. nothing bad could ever happen!"
mircea_popescu: saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? <<< i'm pretty sure she did try it for a week on and off, multiple times. not purposefully or anything, just, how it happened.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot <<< well, who is he ?
mircea_popescu: saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so << we humans are also simply not evolved to wash.
mircea_popescu: and come to think of it, we're quite pointedly not evolved to use condoms, either.
mircea_popescu: which of these are you giving up because of that silly "evolved" theory ? i wasn't evolved to use a keyboard nor to cross the street nor do i give a shit.
mircea_popescu: joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it << my bet is because you live in a place with shitty (ie, supermarket) fruit.
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joecool: mircea_popescu: nah, despite the fact i live in 'murica, i have grown my own fruit and vegetables
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 13:26:02; BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
mircea_popescu: joecool but getting good fruit is a nontrivial pursuit. say you "made your own wine". well... ? so what if you did.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im romanian, im fucking evolved to eat bread. we've been eating bread for well over five millenia now, and it was millet before it was wheat.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Bread is good. SOmetimes i do "Bread cleanses" where I'll get a big loaf of bread, some nice butter, and eat that for a day or two.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, millet unlevened bread, now that's an experience. i have nfi why it's not becoming a hipster thing. maybe they never heard of it)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads.
xanthyos: <+mircea_popescu> xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
BingoBoingo: Millet's probably in the que to become a hipster thing. They just have to work through the other fads.
xanthyos: <<< well, who is he ? << it was that thomas_d guy and also bagels7 but i think thomas is flaking out
xanthyos: i don't know if i'm at liberty to reveal that information
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo this used to be what students lived off in the 80s/90s. there was an actual shop speficially catering to it. various sour milks and breads. << Well, I picked up the habit in school, so...
joecool: mircea_popescu: you mentioned you came out of retirement to start mpex, what was your trade before retiring?
joecool: is that a polite way of saying "i'd rather not disclose"?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally : yogurt is properly made out of boiled milk, whereas the same process applied to raw milk resulted in something called "sana" in romania of the time.
mircea_popescu: which are both different from buttermilk etc. it's a huge topic, this, and honestly half of it comes from turkey an' lebanon :p
BingoBoingo: I've never had the opportunity to actual yogurt.
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BingoBoingo: It's not the easiest thing to find, but actual cultured butter is still accesible here.
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gernika: I suspect that there has not been much or any negative selection related to eating grains. Eating them doesn't kill you before you can breed. So yes, eventually they may or may not make you fat and give you diabetes, but not before you've had 10 kids fueled on starch alone.
mircea_popescu: gernika actually starch only diets are known to be toxic, for vitamin depletion reasons
cazalla: 10 kids? wash ya mouth out
mircea_popescu: poor peasants in the premodern times got b defficiencies all the time, inter alia
nubbins`: mircea_popescu iirc the b deficiencies were from doing whippets all day
mircea_popescu: meat only diets are just as toxic, through overwhelming kidney clearances for protein metabolic products. etc.
gernika: mircea_popescu ok I should substitute "mostly grain + small amount of meat and vegetables" for "starch alone" then
mircea_popescu: anyway, cancer has a huge genetic component. diabetes a smaller but present one. obviously eating better improves health, but that's a much weaker claim than "do away with"
nubbins`: ben_vulpes i was recently trying to describe the sensation of being rendered unconscious by NO2 in a clinical setting. after hemming and hawing for a few minutes, i said "it's sort of like doing whippets until you pass out"
nubbins`: by the time "until" reached my lips, i realized that's exactly what it was 8)
mircea_popescu: gernika that's pretty much the first stable diet. roman workers/soldiers got bread, beer (liquid bread) and some olives/small fishes.
mircea_popescu: and i guess grapes the day the boss' wife was doing the fingertrap.
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gernika: mircea_popescu I'm guessing Egyptian workers/soldiers got the same.
mircea_popescu: for one thing they didn't eat fish (seth lived in the nile). for another, i dun recall what their main grain was but definitely not wheat.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i feel like it was some sort of shitty type of wheat
mircea_popescu: in any case : they mostly ate firepit baked unleavened clumps of dough
gernika: looks like barley and emmer wheat
ben_vulpes: wait unleavened? what's the deal with the joostories then?
gernika: And apparently beer (from the barley)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well who the fuck's to know. but anyway, leavening was an innovation roughly at the time, poorly received
mircea_popescu: sort-of like we snub our nose at mcdo hamburgers i guess.
assbot: National Bank of Ukraine: Bitcoin Not to Be Used for Payments | Qntra.net
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mircea_popescu: "There are reports that the National Bank of Ukraine has issued a directive on its Facebook page banning the use of Bitcoin for payments within the country"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose some sort of revision's in order ?
cazalla: aspho, the post references the stupidity of "issuing missives via Facebook post" so no, Qntra has not done coindesk
aspho: Semantics isn't it?
aspho: tbf I read it both ways
mircea_popescu: cazalla that is true, but it wasn't all that explicitly doing that was it ?
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mircea_popescu: "Not only is the notion of government by Facebook page about on par with the US immigration policy implemented by wikipedia lookup, but the interpretation offered isn't even supported by the original text, which merely says..."
mircea_popescu: lobbes: okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds <<< there are some good if not winning arguments in favour. generally, fats are about twice as energetic per gram as sugars. however the power (ie, energy per time) function is much flatter. that's only half the story, of course, because the fat (and protein, they're related, as you'd expect) processing b
mircea_popescu: andwidth is much wider than the sugars, for the obvious reason. this makes a lot of subordinate wheels be connected principaly to that main engine, much like the alternator in the car is connected to the gasoline powered carnot cycle, not to say the steering wheel. one of those subordinate wheels is actually the immune system, and so in a very pedestrian reading, obtaining most of your energy from the kreb cycle means
mircea_popescu: an underpowered immune system, among other things. (then again, other systems, such as a whole array of cellular antioxidants, essentially all the red cell metabolism and all the brain are powered by the carbohydrate metabolism). in short... no easy answers. srsly. we "are evolved" to do everything.
mircea_popescu: saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow <<< this is exactly false. for instance, breast carcinoma cells are most always grown in vitro on collagen substrate. collagen is a protein not a sugar.
cazalla: aspho, BingoBoingo has updated the post to clarify but fwiw i was implied it might not be factual given facebook
cazalla: and as good as we are at qntra, we make mistakes, we are not infallible
BingoBoingo: As far as the Warburg stuff goes. It's generally accepted that cancer cells generally turn to some some of anearobes, but... SOmetimes it works the opposite way like in breast cancer, and the change over almost certainly seems to not be the cause of the cancer.
cazalla: i think only one person claims to be, eh thickasthieves? *rimshot*
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah. it's a complicated thing. moreover, simply because one doesn't *eat* sugar does not mean glycogen does not exist in their body or anything
aspho: Cazalla: I see where you're coming from. not pointing fingers, just helping out (although it gets attention comparing with coindesk heh)
mircea_popescu: aspho i dun think anyone tried just saying it to see if it gets ignored or anything yet.
BingoBoingo: Well, someone invented the HTML strikethrough tag for a reason
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk << resent less, live longer. definitely happier.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pop-medicine is like pop-computing. sort-of php.
BingoBoingo: Eh, wait to people find out they make glucose...
Vexual: hey glucose is fat free
mircea_popescu: but anyway, from a political standpoint the "no sugar" angle is good. i'm stuck mostly eating homemade cake because everyone's convinced you need sugar by the bucket. "gotta be sweet man!"
mircea_popescu: in the end conversion from online recipe to edible recipe is cup of sugar -> spoonful of sugar
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, as far as i understand (not an expert) the reason neoplasm mostly turns anaerobic is that apoptosis main branch and aerobic respiration share some protein pathways. so it often gets deleted in the same pass as it were, "no electricity" means no music and no light at the same time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That seems to go with what I read as well.
BingoBoingo: The problem of cancer is cell division and cells not self destructing when they come up defective because the checking mechanism's broke. The anerobe thing is a side effect.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead << at least it has what to lose lol
mircea_popescu: punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos << you know that read "more dildos". which.... hm.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one" << bwahahaha
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what I think about BA or about the steak there?
fluffypony: the steak here has mostly been average, I've had one above-average steak and that was at Seasons52 in Los Angeles
mircea_popescu: i had no idea sa is actually famous for steak, but apparently.
nubbins`: i worked in a restaurant here in canada, they served argentine beef
mircea_popescu: nubbins` south africa. i know argentine beef is famous.
nubbins`: they did not serve south african beef
fluffypony: I went to the Adventure Expo in Salt Lake City wearing the t-shirts you made
fluffypony: and got stopped and asked about Bitcoin by 3 people :)
nubbins`: imagine if you'd brought your poster with you :p
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BingoBoingo: Peoples with mobile devices, test the qntra layout
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nubbins`: walk up to naked dude, "what about bitcoin?"
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nubbins`: maybe a hand cupping the genitals
nubbins`: another arm strapped across a flabby, hairy chest
nubbins`: speaking of, here's the cover of the book we're working on now
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mircea_popescu: "As a woman, peeing is a very big part of my life. It’s something I do often, and something I do well."
xiando: tl;dr 1) Do not do it alone 2) Do it with friends you trust 3) Do it in a calm safe place 4) Have some good music prepared
nubbins`: solo trip is something one must experience at least once
cazalla: did once at 15 on mushrooms, freaked out, called poison hotline, told not to eat mushrooms again
mircea_popescu: "I’m not some feminist radical Jane Fonda of the 70s type women, but I hate bras. I hate the way they feel. They are uncomfortable. They bind, they chafe, and when you have small breasts, they ride up."
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the problem. the way they feel. just like you should be having bigger tits.
Vexual: it's all about the duck
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xiando: I remember when we had freedom of speech and property rights in Sweeden. Good times
joecool: wat jewelry too hard to dispose of?
BingoBoingo: joecool: The proceeds from selling that go into the general fund and not the law enforcement fund, so why bother?
cazalla: xiando, now you just have niggers raping da white wimminz?
xiando: Not sure if joke and I don't like the N word but: We do not have any here. None. I have perhaps seen 1 this year. People from the middle east? quite a lot. But no black people.
nubbins`: "i don't like the N word but we do not have any here" lel any what?
xiando: My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull.
nubbins`: sorry, i was just amused by the way you worded your sentence. i know what you mean :D
joecool: lol i saw only 2 black people the month i was in newfoundland, was strange
ben_vulpes: hey any webdevs with spare cycles want to work on a btc app with me?
joecool: ben_vulpes: what's the budget
ben_vulpes: the budget is half whatever it brings in over its lifetime
ben_vulpes: its a tiny little thing for someone with too much time on their hands to grind on
cazalla: xiando, we don't have black people in australia so i was not aware nigger is offensive, thank you for telling me
cazalla: BingoBoingo, they are not people
Vexual: xiando, I'm black and I hand out down by the canl in stockholm after sunset sometimes, you haven't seen me?
nubbins`: Vexual whoa that's where i buy weed
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins btc in, webservice out
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins probably stupid, but could be stood up and walked away from
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mircea_popescu: xiando My childhood friend Charles whos father worked at the US embassy in Norway (black family) told me that using the N word is really disrespectful and hurtfull. << who're you gonna believe.
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mircea_popescu: decimation inasmuch as those things are about as useful as the five foot tall plaster cake in a confectioner's window, wut diff does it make.
decimation: yeah: "Ditching the ICBMs would save taxpayers $14 billion over the next 10 years, but not everyone's a fan of the idea: Senators from states where the missiles are based and tested have formed an ICBM caucus that isn't shy to throw its weight around. As a condition for confirming Rose Gottemoeller, Obama's recent pick for undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, the caucus insisted that the Pentagon
decimation: maintain all 454 ICBM silos, even through it is trimming the number of missiles to 400. (Yes, we will man and maintain 54 empty silos.)"
decimation: "Instead, most defense experts believe that in almost all foreseeable scenarios we'd strike with a bomber or a submarine, deployed from nearby shores or military bases."
decimation: it's pretty likely the Ruskies have already surveyed each icbm site to the millimeter
decimation: and the youth who stumbled into the chumpatron of 'manning' the missiles become human statues
Vexual: were signing with china to provide more beef every year than we have, checkmate
decimation: asciilifeform: the youth in the motherjones story claims he wanted to be a pilot, air force changed the eyesight rules, suddenly a missiler is he
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decimation: "But during his senior year, the Air Force ended a waiver program that allowed cadets with imperfect vision—including Aaron—to earn their wings, so after graduation he grudgingly settled for a position at Malmstrom. He was hardly alone in his lack of enthusiasm: According to one study, less than one-third of missileers ever wanted that job. When Aaron hit on women in bars in Great Falls, he would sometimes say he was a wind
decimation: the mind boggles at all the similar stories that are stuffed in some usg filing cabinet
cazalla: mod6, all posts get tweeted out automatically
decimation: asciilifeform: you see to show you inside of a 'real site' would reveal 60 year old secrets
decimation: of course, the reason: "A string of investigations concluded that the nuclear corps had lost its "zero defect" culture. In response, the Air Force launched a program to "sustain, modernize, and recapitalize its nuclear capability." What that meant in practice, Aaron says, was punishing the rank and file for past mistakes while the colonels swept the bigger problems under the rug."
decimation: this is generally standard usg management practice as far as I can tell
decimation: pretend things are swell, shoot any messengers that say otherwise, rotate to a 'diversity tour' before mistakes are obvious
decimation: I imagine this is pretty much how the soviet government worked too
mod6: cazalla: huh. ok. didn't see that one in the list. maybe i missed it?
cazalla: mod6, i just checked, it didn't go out, i'm guessing the auto feed thing didn't catch it after i changed it from sgornick's account to mine
ben_vulpes: this just in, the universe is a stochastic bitch: of all qntra posts, their tweetmachine failed to deliver the declaration of independence to the social media shitstew.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i saw them a hundred times. << the problem with the new, cheaper "media"
mircea_popescu: using stock photos only works if you're read by monkeys.
mircea_popescu: it's like a strategic decision that "people who read us aren't actually interested"
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mircea_popescu: by the way ben_vulpes mod6 you two plan to make some sort of monthly "state of the bitcoin" address to go with jurov's reports ?
mircea_popescu: "As the night proceeded, all of the Carter era military malaise became evident. The Air Force lied to local law enforcement and media about what was happening, couldn't communicate with first responders, failed to send an evacuation helicopter for a gravely injured person because an irrelevant piece of equipment wasn't available, and could not come to a decision about how to respond as the situation deteriorated. Also
mircea_popescu: on display was the heroism of individuals, in the Air Force and outside, who took matters into their own hands on the spot, rescued people, monitored the situation, evacuated nearby farms in the path of toxic clouds, and improvised as events required."
mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good quote. "oh noes, what would we do without government" ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. a) not have the problems and b) solve them the same exact way they're currently solved anyway ?
decimation: right, once it is obvious that the emperor has no clothes, regular folks just take it upon themselves to solve problems
mircea_popescu: but with or without the emperor, clothed or not, it is still the regular folks.
mircea_popescu: this guy reading the code and that guy making the log work and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: the pretense of "government" is nothing but exactly that : pretense. useful, to a very limited degree, for fucktards, like the kids that won't "learn" unless there's santa there with the notebook.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you underestimate the depth of the glue and the sharpness of the glass
ben_vulpes: but we'll bark a bit more on the mailing list and some qntra hound can round it up at whatever frequency they please.
decimation:
https://chnm.gmu.edu/revolution/d/367/ "1. The National Assembly decrees that hereditary nobility is forever abolished. Consequently, the titles of Prince, Duke, Count, Marquis, Viscount, Vidame, Baron, Knight, Lord, Squire, Noble, and all other similar titles shall neither be accepted by, nor bestowed upon, anyone whomsoever."
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Vexual: I heard a great story about regular people getting shit done, it was the 1930s, aeroplanes and radio were the latest shit
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Vexual: there was an intercontinental comp, all the latest birds.. the one aluminum beast in the race got into trouble in a storm in australia
Vexual: i forget the rest, but they eneded up over some town that realised they were trying to land, and they broke into the town lighting and started doing morse code with the streetlights
Vexual: then they broke into the radio station and told everyone to take their cars and make a landing strip with their headlights, it was a big success
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Vexual: I remember some other pilot hit the whisky hard and landed with half a gallon to spare
mod6: mircea_popescu: My plan for now is to just post a summary of the on-goings to the mailing list once per month. This seems like a good start. I can even coordinate with jurov to post the summary before the statement so he can link it in there.
Vexual: his navigator and wife was unhappy
ben_vulpes: might i note that while we have the lordship list Vexual and ninjashogun are some early "citizens" if i might be so bold
ben_vulpes: individuals nobody in l1's posrating, but that still get upped whenever they come by
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ben_vulpes: bagels you got 0 l2 what you tryna do uppin yourself like that?
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ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: that's abuse of your power
Vexual: niki minaj does have a new track tho... hmm
ben_vulpes: Vexual: after all i've done for you...
Vexual: your newfound love of lisp
ben_vulpes: i have just enough beer for 1 more nikki before i bounce
Vexual: she might have been reading the logs
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Vexual: jurov is a title in this new state?
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Vexual: is it because the rigged snakes and ladders borard i send as tribut eisn't on it?
Vexual: you planning to inject some bc into the australian economy pete_dushenski?
Vexual: dies gribble do fiat pairs?
Vexual: did you buy any plastic money yet pete_dushenski? they don't take greenback here
joecool: it smells of maple syrup too
Vexual: you'll get a better rate at home
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Vexual: our money smells like chanel 5
joecool: pete_dushenski: i used it until i had interac (debit), a lot of places will not do credit
pete_dushenski: credit is widely used in alberta: hot economy, bezzlemania
joecool: yeah i don't recall having much issue in the maritimes this summer, i was fine in montreal too
pete_dushenski: ontario is also a far larger province so there's a much wider range of businesses
pete_dushenski: alberta is mostly franchises, sorta the only thing that can keep up with the insane horizontal expansion of cities
pete_dushenski: i was in montreal last weekend and i gotta say it's downright enjoyable to be in a city with a proper mafia
pete_dushenski: the cops are nowhere near as uppity and self-important
joecool: heh, i'll head back there this winter sometime, fun city
pete_dushenski: it probably helps that the cops in mtl drive dodge caravans
pete_dushenski: the least threatening mode of transport since the segway
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joecool: a longtime friend of mine lives there
pete_dushenski: i'd definitely recommend checking out the anthropological museum if you haven't already
pete_dushenski: plus this polish restaurant in the old town with the most fantastic borscht
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Vexual: one might arrive by horse drawn cart?
pete_dushenski: saifedean:lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... << heh the guy's gone deeper into the archives that i'd thought. i like!
Vexual: whats to drink?, theres no list
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? << this is incidentally exactly why we should s/google/duckduckgo already
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. << i lasted 3 months. maybe coulda gone longer?
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xanthyos: ;;rate bagels7 1 known on efnet and tinychat 5 years. friendly, courteous canadian. average- to poor-skilled internet poker player.
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Vexual: is sophie hot xanthyos?
Vexual: or does she just ug up tinychat?
Vexual: i was joking how tinychat isn't a thing
pete_dushenski: saifedean:my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human << this does sound rather splendid.
pete_dushenski: good food never goes out of fashion, even if it might occupy a smaller piece of the pie in bezzletimes
Vexual: theres really nothing better to spend money on than food
pete_dushenski: saifedean: Vancouver is another possibility... << try affording to live there. bon chance!
pete_dushenski: vancouver is the worst major city, in essentially every regard, and all of which stem from a hyperbezzle housing market, in canada... after toronto.
pete_dushenski: saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans << for steaks, alberta is up there.
pete_dushenski: as long as you avoid the hipster derps with their grass-fed sous vide nonsense
Vexual: pete_dushenski: are you adverse to shellfish like lobster?
pete_dushenski: Vexual ya, not much for shellfish, only started eating fish in the last 2 years.
mircea_popescu: punkman maybe add a "total deeds in total bundles" thing between the address and your contact ?
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mircea_popescu: could it be sortable by columns ? (most browsers support this afaik, needs a table class="datadisplay sortable")
Vexual: consider lobster, it's not really a shellfish
pete_dushenski: reading the logs about paleo, black coffee etc, the health-related upsides of this cult are readily apparent.
pete_dushenski: it's not enough to just pretend to be all-powerful and all-conquering and then execute
Vexual: no, one should always stop off for lunch somewhere nice on the journey
pete_dushenski: saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << aren't nuts part of paleo ?
pete_dushenski researching which "nuts" are actually seeds. can't remember
pete_dushenski: " 'nuts' that aren’t include Brazil nuts, Cashews, Walnuts, Coconuts, Macadamia nuts, Peanuts, Tom Cruise, and Pistachios"
Vexual: theres no good reasoning to a paleo diet, it's no bread no pasta no fun
cazalla: pete_dushenski, i don't know about cashews, there is a shortage didya know?
cazalla: Vexual, yeah big cashew shortage
Vexual: i got more cashews than chicken last night
Vexual: gotta prepare them properly cashews
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Vexual: satoshi expose will fix that
Vexual: or you get foot in mouth
Vexual: or some variation of loose stool
Vexual: don't chew the pillow; it's cotton
pete_dushenski: and by extension of the same point, pure-mcd's diet does not lead to immediate death
pete_dushenski: these mortal coils being made out of some resilient shit
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Vexual: thanks, that cargo plane look sexy
Vexual: they don't fuck about thats for sure
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ^^ for the third reich afficionados << damn. wayne still has it!
Vexual: even the awac version looks good like tey designed both at once
Vexual: the tail missile holds the radar
Vexual: i dont hink anything so useful ever looked so good
Vexual: they dont even work yet
Vexual: do yo uthink that awac plane is pretend?
Vexual: nope , it needs a big arse runway
Vexual: ok f35s are pretty cool
mats_cd03: i doubt any of it is fake hardware
Vexual: f35 looks way cooler than chinese fighters
mats_cd03: it all exists already and its not like dod affiliates have good security
mats_cd03: thank usg taxpayers for latest advances in cn, ru aircraft design
Vexual: well a mig would prolly shoot the shit outta that thing today
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Vexual: i dunno i heard some people are dissapointed with f35s
mats_cd03: aircraft design by committee usually does
Vexual: leaving an fa-18 can't be easy
Vexual: those fucker lready go straight up
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> who remembers the zoologist who tried, for years, to live on the chimps' fruits, and ended with nothing but very ill digestion? << was this one of the lefty us "anthropologists" that keep going to sleep with apes in africa ?
saifedean: i do, and you really gotta get paleo :)
saifedean: it's just that computer literacy, wot, irc gpg, and all that is just too much to process at the same time
saifedean: until last week i spent my life using my computer like i use my washing machine, just getting my dirty deeds done as quickly as possible
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mircea_popescu: "Dovecot's author takes pride in secure design and implementation. A reward of EUR 1,000 (approximately $1,310 USD, £840 GBP, 130000 Yen as of May 2013) has been announced for finding any remotely exploitable security flaw."
saifedean: mp: " eh get out with the paleo stuff. what do you do for cake ?" <<< you stop being a teenage girl about it and enjoy life without these sugar highs and their crashes. Getting your energy from animal fats makes you constantly alert and with high energy reserves, not dependent on getting your next sugar kick to do anything, and not constantly crashing.
saifedean: "you two are aware that if this were the normal about 90% of urban population would die off through simple starvation within the decade, yes ?" how very publicly spirited of you, sacrificing your own health so you can eat in a way that lets peasants survive in giant urban hell-holes!
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saifedean: the point from looking at evolution is not to mimic the life of ancient humans, it is to figure out what are the things that make our lives better and what makes it worse. humans love to dip in streams, seas and rivers, and washing copies that. humans only recently developed condoms, and sex in condoms does definitively suck. having unwanted kids sucks more, so you do have to don one, but you would still rather not.
cazalla: saifedean, fuck yeah paleo, do you slaughter your animals with your barehands or what?
cazalla ripped the head off a rabbit and fried it in butter with rosemary for dinner.. PALEO!
cazalla: no, that goes into compost
cazalla: i've read something about some rabbit brain disease that is not destroyed by cooking
cazalla: saifedean, i'll eat the kidneys/liver sometimes but compost the rest
saifedean: yeah i was kidding, ive rarely had rabbits and never had its brain, but i do love sheep brains, and all gizzards
mircea_popescu: well, all nervous accumulates prions, but i dunno what the situation is for rabbit
mircea_popescu: imbeciles doing "scientific" cattle raising in europe have sadly made oxtail soup too risky
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saifedean: really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely.
☟︎ saifedean: but anyways, enough diet preaching,
cazalla: saifedean, can i drink alcohol on paleo?
saifedean: the less sugary, the better, so i think vodka is the least bad
saifedean: obviously, you can do whatever you want, and you can always have things in moderation and your body will be fine. the problem is when you have things in excess, when they become a regular part of your diet, and that is true for alcohol as well as grains
saifedean: i'm 34 and in better shape than i ever was, much fitter and stronger than when i was 18. i play football with my university's varsity team, the fittest 18-22 year olds in my college and i'm in better shape than most of them. when i was their age, i was nowhere near fit enough to get into a varsity team, 15 years later, with paleo, i am!
saifedean: lol, i had my own tv show when i was in college...
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saifedean: a young people channel's debate show, it was horrific, but fortunately predates youtube and so no evidence of it remains
cazalla: i've been on tv too but not my own show heh
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punkman: "At the end of the trip, the driver turned around and begged my fiancee to give him five stars, explaining that he was one bad review away from being deactivated and losing his access to the platform. He wouldn’t let us out of the cab until she promised to do so"
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cazalla: guy on right did a toshiba laptop scam tv pitch and i pranked him over and over on live tv
cazalla: poor cunt didn't know what to do
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assbot: Bungie exec swatted | GamesIndustry.biz
BingoBoingo: The problem is neither the caller, nor the swatted person. The problem is the proliferation of swat teams
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mircea_popescu: i mean... it claimed to be worth money. then it turned out the entire thing was fraudulent, through and through. nobody got put away, of course, because this is the us and "tough on crime" maryjane
mircea_popescu: so on they trudge, unable to deliver any value to anyone, supposedly worth however many bezzelions.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell richih listen, your blog is down. there's no point sending broadcasts if your thing can't take the traffic.
mircea_popescu: meh, guy's probably not in any relevant channel anyway huh.
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assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal
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danielpbarron: my account is fairly old; hopefully thst gives me some leeway in woman hating
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BingoBoingo kind of expected the punchline to be quadrocopter actually delivered fresh fruit
BingoBoingo: Tiny chopper is definitely the more interesting concept
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "githug" yes, i understand the weaknesses, and it deserves a callout
ben_vulpes: i weary of guarding fools from themselves already
ben_vulpes: because there are mysterious 'stage' strings prepended to some posts
ben_vulpes: and nobody knows the history of why this whoopie is this way
ben_vulpes: and we don't have access to the original boxen
ben_vulpes: peoples use of computers makes me want to kill myself
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TomServo: Let me know if you want to see landscape mode.
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jurov: asciilifeform: want some? ^^
jurov: thestringpuller you haven't met him.
jurov: i have very hard time imagining a robot so... er... a bit pudgy?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mike_c: min-width of 800px? that would make it side-scroll, no?
dignork: i tried with resizing browser on pc, left menu drops to bottom, but the article stretches to full width
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mike_c: heh, that's because there is a bug
mike_c: you made it "min-width: 800 px", which is nothing
mike_c: "min-width: 800px" would make it side-scroll
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol@ the derp on your blog. "i am ignorant, justify the world to me! because the stupid but lazy have inherited the earth at some point while nobody was paying attention and now that's how it works!!11"
mircea_popescu: assbot: gavinandresen comments on Peter Todd on changetip. Not a real Bitcoin app. Could be done in same way by PayPal << todd has a point
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: great; probably gonna get my account suspended <<< twitter is not exactly a good venue anyway. why would one wish to maintain a lifeline with the weirdo cult of america ?
mircea_popescu: let them have their fun on their own and they wonder why they're hungry.
mircea_popescu: team-libtard. "let's thank ourselves for being stupid, it's how they do it on the special olympics too! that's how you win!"
mircea_popescu: *: ben_vulpes trudges back into the wordpress mines <<< wait wut ? why ?
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mircea_popescu: "On behalf of myself and my peers, I am lodging a formal complaint regarding your provision of financial services to Real Social Dynamics—specifically Real Social Dynamic's co-owner Julien Blanc (pseudonym)—on the grounds that their employees, business practices and instructional literature promote violence against women, sexual harassment, rape and racism."
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure the license to provide services of any kind includes the obligation to provide them universally.
mircea_popescu: so in teh bitcoin future, a financial services firm is not allowed to be down, for anyone and for any reason, or else risks losing its license.
chetty: banks refuse to open accounts all the time ..or close existing ones ..
thestringpuller: what about the case when someone goes down for "due cause"
mircea_popescu: this "let the word processor be a browser and the browser be a music station and th phone a camera" trend is pure idiocy.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in having a bank be the police. let the police be the police, and if they're no good at it let them go home.
mircea_popescu: something that happens with regularity to fiat banks, "sorry, we can't process txn, our so-called system is down"
thestringpuller: but there is a possibility (albeit improbably) someone bombs every mining facility on the planet, and the hash rate plummets making block times 10 hours per
mircea_popescu: there's also a possibility the aliens land and start mining.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i have a spot of work for a python guru. anyone bored ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of that, i need someone to make me (another) site. anyone wanna make a b-a site ?
mircea_popescu: you might have not noticed this, but! the model is fully decentralised, with delegated subdomains.
diametric: mircea_popescu: what kind of work in python do you need done?
mircea_popescu: diametric well, there's a format for computer models called "3d" something. it sort-of almost works in blender, there's an ancient convertor someone made. this : ttps://github.com/UnoffLandz/unoff-landz/wiki/Editing-Static-3d-Objects
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mircea_popescu: i need this brought up to date, because it ties into blender from 2009 and uses python from 2007
diametric: so you just need it to run in current blender/python?
diametric: i'll give it a cursory glance and let you know
thestringpuller: hopefully blender doesn't does do crazy stuff (like MS) between versions like change from lhs to rhs
assbot: "Pick-Up Artist" pushing Japanese women's heads down to his crotch 白人が日本で大暴れ「日本ではHしほうだい」(字幕) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: uhhh... srsly, staged crap ? these people need better concerns.
mircea_popescu: “When you go to Tokyo….if you’re a white male, you can do what you want. Just grab her, pull her in. She’ll giggle. Just say PIKACHU or POKEMON or something to take the pressure off. I’m romping through the streets (of Tokyo) just grabbing girls and it’s like (motions) head on dick (pfft) head on dick, yelling ‘PIKACHU’ with a Pikachu shirt on….Every foreigner who is white does this. When you see that
mircea_popescu: one foreigner in the crowd in Tokyo and your eyes will lock and you know that he knows and he knows that and it’s this guilty look like you both fucked a hooker or something.”
mircea_popescu: honestly this entire "feminist protesting" stuff reads a whole lot like the sort of crap that tucker max "strategist" derp would come up with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... not so much a life. more like a hottopic of its own.
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mircea_popescu: and judging how quickly it comes on the heels of the entire gamergate thing, i;m calling it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: what's the new b-a website?
mircea_popescu: punkman you seriously want to do ALL fo them !? this is very nice and all but imagine what happens if the aliens come to elect you their leader. all the shit drops off maintenance ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually moved to turbo pascal from qbasic back in very long ago.
punkman: well if I'm elected alien leader, I'll put a few of them to task
mircea_popescu: well, if nobody speaks up punkman gets it tomorro, so. speak up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually ironically enough, pascal was supposed to be a shitty program. c++ was supposed ot be the cat's teats. yet the experience i had over a coupla summers with turbopascal is pretty much unmatched. maybe the only time i actually enjoyed coding.
mircea_popescu: borlandc++ sucked by comparison. maybe because i was too dumb to properly grok the language, or too lazy to learn the spec
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, you ever sorted out the whatever it was ? mah wp expert happens to be sitting across from me.
ben_vulpes: what is the part of wordpress that determines what things are prepended to the slug?
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes apparently there's an interface in the admin to set it
mircea_popescu: and apparently you shouldn't get into those guts anyway, just pick custom structure and form a string
ben_vulpes: here's the wacky thing - it's the same on both the old site and the migrated copy.
jurov: Dunno if guru, but I do have few pull requests against py projects.
jurov: *Accepted pull requests.
jurov: Oh you want to sort out weird old mess. Sounds like stuff I am good with.
jurov: i saw blender+py from 2007
ben_vulpes: old site has /foo/bar as uneditable zone in permalink area on page
ben_vulpes: i have no idea where /foo/ is even configured
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mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a $prefix defined in wp-admin/options-permalink.php but "you really should not fuck with that"
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine that was set at any time.
ben_vulpes: something (perhaps js?) strips the '/', '%'
mircea_popescu: $wp_rewrite->set_permalink_structure($permalink_structure); is the call you care about
undata: asciilifeform: It is likely a failure of my imagination that I cannot guess what sort of violence-entrepreneurs might emerge in the US.
mircea_popescu: same people wil be selling water and batteries soonish
undata: mircea_popescu: so gangs?
mircea_popescu: no, not gangs. gangs are roughly what the police is. hardly entrepreneurial/
undata: asciilifeform: there we go; I was going to suggest "state govts"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they will. VERY distinguishable. recall the previous fall : who dared go around in a militsya uniform ?
undata: many in Texas (not on the fringe) are secessionist
mircea_popescu: anyway, unlike stockpiling X Y or Z magical golden pill produced on antiquated thinking, going out and making friends with a drug dealer TODAY is both actionable and useful.
mircea_popescu: having those friends will pay in 2020. having a basement full of whatever might get you killed.
undata: mircea_popescu: haha, that's a wonderful PSA
undata: "Make friends with a drug dealer TODAY!"
undata: no no, someone with his own enterprise
mircea_popescu: buy a pound of cocaine, uncut, on the premise that it muyst be exactly one pound and exactly uncut.
undata: they've already shown they can operate with independence
mircea_popescu: then flush it down the drain for all it matters, you just want to meet the people involved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform americans aren't a nation. no such for them.
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mircea_popescu: did you just download pastebin.com and are now rummaging ?
undata: mircea_popescu: here in Oregon there are plenty of farming operations that I wouldn't be surprised if later they take on a more political nature
undata: heavily armed, unfortunately christian, but otherwise seemingly fault tolerant
mircea_popescu: undata you act as if this political thing is a reserve ability all men have.
mircea_popescu: if they weren't worthless they'd be invovled NOW. since they aren't now, they won't later.
undata: mircea_popescu: the one I'm thinking of is better termed a distributor
mircea_popescu: well if the one you're thinking of is, then the one you;re thinking of might be, yes.
undata: but then again they could be the basement full of goods
undata: I am unaware of their total capacity to defend themselves
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit.
mircea_popescu: he's not particularly powerful, at least not in any way the pete's derpy commenter would recognise. but that's an unrelated matter.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i always did, but that is besides the point anyway.
thestringpuller: ^- if greatest soldier alive is in your private army, you are automatically most powerful so very relevant?
mircea_popescu: i have servers, too, and as the ddos rises so do the servers. simple equation there.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk.
mircea_popescu: " And as the unraveling progresses, the violent entrepreneurs develop agendas of their own, which, inevitably, involve having the cooperation flow the other way: instead of cooperating with those formerly in charge, they demand that those formerly in charge start cooperating with them. And it is here that the scene turns bloody."
mircea_popescu: "the sec wants to matter, the sec better get in the wot". hasn't turned bloody yet.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah I understand; I took it as "violence start-ups"
mircea_popescu: i dunno what he meant by it, but what he actually said does allow an interpretation that actually works, so. benefit of the doubt.
mircea_popescu: undata violence is not merely physical violence. tim swanson got bludgeoned into the dirt, what is that if not violence ?
mircea_popescu: "the country works whether it's your ally or your enemy, as what it does"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, he's involved << wai wat. << does this need elucidation still ?
mircea_popescu: " There tends to be a clean break with the old, collapsing society, which is motivated by money and prestige within society at large, because these entrepreneurial groups are motivated by honor and prestige within the in-group only." << what is the wot if not exactl;y that ?
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mircea_popescu: there's something afoot with the dns service worldwide tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing ever in deficit in the world is the working brain and the erect penis.
mircea_popescu: everything else is forever abundant. and so... they may well wish to live
undata: this topic might help me understand something, if someone wishes to explain
undata: Iran to me is a great example of why strict authoritarian systems do not work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the engine spinning on the test bed a working engine or not ?
undata: but to ask a different question, how do we end up with authorities who are rational?
mircea_popescu: till you get your wheels on you're just a prototype. a good one, sure, but...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a much larger issue there. iran is mostly ethnially persian. the leadership, ethnically arab. on their own, the arabs are usually poor. therefore they depend on govt dole.
mircea_popescu: what used to be fearless warriors are now blind old dependants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't disagree the brain works. im just saying, it's not working till it does work.
mircea_popescu: otherwise endlessly spinning the "simulated loads" of bezzle is a great way to keep a great engine away from the road.
undata: mircea_popescu: my question is how a parasitic overclass is avoided if one is to believe in soverignty and aristocracy?
undata: mircea_popescu: one that eventually wears out the thing underneath, leading to collapse
undata: maybe that's just the nature of it
undata: I'm not convinced I'm asking the right question.
mircea_popescu: listen, until you start doing your own photosinthesis, you can be accused of being "parasitic"
mircea_popescu: it's like accusing someone of us "rape". do they have a penis ? well....
undata: sure, but there's a question of degree there
mircea_popescu: the apportioning of penance among the universally guilty humans, the temproal role of the church,
undata: so the answer in Iran's case is "because an adjacent sovereign is not fit enough to destroy them?"
mircea_popescu: could also say "they're letting the women lead much to their detriment"
mod6: asciilifeform: are you the author of these patches? : rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz
https-snipsnip.tar.gz turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz goodbye-win32.tar.gz ?
assbot: ISPs Removing Their Customers' Email Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation
mod6: mircea_popescu: eh yeah, just making sure i guess, those wern't posted to the mailing list.
ben_vulpes: gpg --verify should spit out the author
mircea_popescu: "Some of the action is bound to be quite shocking; for instance, while the elites and the oligarchs themselves are rather well defended, at least initially, their children, ensconced in various elite schools, academies and universities, comprise a soft target, setting the stage for school take-overs, mass kidnappings and shootings of a very different sort from the ones seen to date. "
mircea_popescu: so orlovs' prediction is that in the near future i will be able to order oligarch underage daughter prostitute to my hotel room in odessa ?
ben_vulpes: at the risk of point out the obvious if you can afford the bundling and transportation, you could have them in odessa
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is up
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, but the idea is for it to be done for free.
mircea_popescu: generally, that's the formative experience of failure. when one's daughters are given away as objects to they in the other system, because even as objects there they are still worth more than were they to stay in their parents' own system, much like infinitely nothing of something is still more than absolutely all of nothing whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: which is, i guess, what "traditional marriage" is all about.
assbot: ImperialViolet - A shallow survey of formal methods for C code
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:45:16; asciilifeform: decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-.
mircea_popescu: 12-08-2014 05:29:50 <punkman> I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book << anything came of this ?
punkman: just the comments that followed
gernika: It's hard to go for more than a year here without the company you're working for being sold.
undata: gernika: when I was 16 I worked for a software company which persuaded staff (myself excluded of course) to alter their stock options unfavorably given that they subsequently sold out to HP
undata: that was a formative experience
gernika: undata Pretty sure the same thing happened to me about 3 years ago.
gernika: term sheet change, sell company
TheShrander: i'm gonna hold a speech about the WoT in Italy next month. mircea_popescu we have already talk weeks ago, i'm wyrdmantis, remember?
cazalla: dignork: a, lol, i see what you mean, it's a typo in original css, full text then:
http://dpaste.com/0D7MGFD <<< thanks, it's a bit of an improvement for mobile
cazalla: oh, you doing same thing BingoBoingo ?
TheShrander: i'm trying get some more people here, so they can understand and not waste money in fucking startups... we will see :D