asciilifeform: see also stalin's 'order # 227', 28 june 1942.
asciilifeform: $process of course did not start with andropov. but with the derps who poisoned stalin, who was , near as i can tell, gettin' ready to purge the 'party elite' an' replace it w/ the young, vigorous folx who did loyal wetwork for him earlier.
asciilifeform: exactly as happened in sovok, the leninists had 0 lasting dynastic succession, ~100% garbagecollected by stalin & co.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm, so kinda like lazar kaganovich in stalin's orcistan ?
asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935132 << this logic is appealing on surface, but recall that stalin ended up retrieving half-dead korolev, tupolev, et al, from gulag, when failed to find the imagined 'we dun have any irreplaceables here'(tm)(r) replacements .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re israel -- consider fact that stalin happily funded it, while it was -- briefly -- a bone in the throat of angloreich, rather than province in good standing of same
asciilifeform: re poison, the legend goes that stalin fell on floor after drinking from cup, no medical man was admitted into his chamber until well cold an' stiff, and when finally admitted -- cup gone. or some such.
asciilifeform: hrusch et al , partook in all of stalin's works, the sexy and the unsexy, and murdered successor, and pinned the 'unsexy' on him, and on the dead emperor, and 'look, western reich, we are civilized folx! let us into miami'
asciilifeform: trinque: management ~success~. contrary to western reich Official histories, stalin in fact terminated the self-licking cone.
asciilifeform: and for that matter, why is it possible for 'tomahawk', built by finest reagan-era 'civilized' beings, to be shot with rocket little different from what was designed during reign of stalin ?
asciilifeform: on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.☟︎
asciilifeform: good chunks of which, incidentally, the 'western narrative' bought into -- 'hook, line, and sinker', e.g. the Official nato reich history of stalin era takes hrusch's revisionism at 100% face value
asciilifeform: brief industrial spell in history of ru, guess when -- when stalin, and forbade petroexport categorically.
asciilifeform: interesting, btw, detail : stalin, seems, mostly closed eyes to black market. the idjit 'let's actually practice what preach' thing began in earnest with hrusch.
asciilifeform: stalin didn't either immediately conscript erry horse plower into factory.
asciilifeform: which is why stalin didn't bother to ask'em
asciilifeform: i'd expect it'd be same as what stalin did in this exact case
asciilifeform: ( where actual one, sent in '37-'38 mostly folx who were the most disgusting bootlicks, fattest apparatchiks, they continued to send! him! letters! with 'tov. stalin, to whom i remain most loyal servant..' etc )
asciilifeform: i suspect he was working from stalin, but not the actual one, but own mental phanto
asciilifeform: tov. c was quite unlike mircea_popescu in 1 important way , tho -- he neglected the disease until was unmanageable, was - near as i can tell - pretty soft (vs, e.g., stalin), very little 'prophylactic' depantsuiting in his reign
asciilifeform: would be interesting if stalin were dug up, he was given same process but 0 maintenance since mid-50s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be moar red army ( stalin issues you a mount ) than euro-knight ( dun even qualify unless you bring yer own ) neh
asciilifeform: it was riotously idiotic when republican spain parked theirs with stalin ( who openly laffed 'all the way to bank' ) and it's doubly idiotic nao.
asciilifeform: stalin croaked in '53, and the battery he charged, ran down in '83 or so
asciilifeform: it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
asciilifeform: ( and , as asciilifeform is fond of observing, stalin's approach on many occasions performed 9000x better than merchant's dubloons approach )
asciilifeform: right -- even if yer king, resources still finite. consider stalin's dilemma of whether to withdraw zhukov's army from far east. ( banked on zorge's report that jp will not break peace treaty, and withdrew 80% . but still had to leave some )
asciilifeform: btw, phunphakt -- the black market folx like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878313 , were left largely alone in stalin's time, and filled all sortsa gaps ( Officially they had to use only 'factory tailings' for raw material. but in practice were left almost entirely unmolested . ) it was hrusch who 'drank own coolaid' and started nailing'em in earnest☝︎
asciilifeform: stalin had an imho quite prophetic uttering, 'when i'm buried they will pile shit sky high on my grave, but wind of history will blow it away' .
asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot'☟︎
asciilifeform: b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
asciilifeform: last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.
asciilifeform: consider that 'soyuz' rocket that ~still~ produced, is a korolev ('50s, but really stalin-era staff) design.
asciilifeform: ( stalin's sons also both died, 1 in germany and 1 in bottle , before '50s over )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: roundin' up judges needs a stalin, not a trump
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'родиной не торгую' (tm)(r)(stalin)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform's pet volunteered a similar/popular engl example, 'the hookers hitler and stalin walked into the room'
asciilifeform: all 'pushings' have this inflexion point, sorta how it worx. consider how stalin both 'built' and 'pushed'.
asciilifeform: to stalin's credit, he was not particularly frightened by the hiroshima show that was put on for him: understood that 'it was faberge egg'
asciilifeform: 'are you launching capsule into orbit or not' 'plox to 1st say, where is orbit, how big capsule, tovarisch stalin'
asciilifeform: based, of course, on the famous 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселей!' (tm)(r)(stalin)
asciilifeform: observe, stalin sent a good 1 in 4 of 'brave boys' to go an' cut wood, dig for uranium. so bought his project another 50y.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , stalin by all appearances realized that he's working with defectives, went through 3 rounds of killing off the left half of his staff , evidently needed 4th, 5th, but old age caught up.
asciilifeform: pre-'41 stalin was a sort of precocious kid.
asciilifeform holds post-1941 stalin in quite high regard.
asciilifeform: ( here's a stalin puzzler : after ww2, he gave the poles, gift-wrapped, silesia -- good chunk of their current-day footprint. )
asciilifeform: fwiw tupolev ~did~ make a flying diesel. stalin scrapped it, as just-barely-+ev
asciilifeform: no. if we're doing 'can stalin make planes faster than hitler can shoot'em down, using only own minerals' scaling down to garage, you do NOT get to do the '3d printer' enthusiast thing and conveniently exclude copper coils in motors etc.
asciilifeform: ( stalin had the 'purge excess meat' thing down to fine art, but he never approached 20% much less 90 )
asciilifeform: but otoh the time for stalin's ruble peg prolly hasnt come quite yet.
asciilifeform: ( and always. recall how stalin, whatever else he succeeded in, was unable to create a half-passable replacement for himself. ditto peter. )
asciilifeform: that's the interesting bit, stalin 1) ordered the continuing ukr brush war, hushed up 2) proclaimed blanket amnesty for surrendering rebels
asciilifeform: the german invasion -- integrated (most of them, the exceptions starred in stalin's deportation extravaganza post-war) once and for all.
asciilifeform: but, observe, not as result of any unified front with english. ( not that such a thing can even be drawn in this picture, there was no unified 'indian nation' nor a stalin, to make any unified front with anyone. )
asciilifeform: to apply mircea_popescu's classic 'thrown brick' model : stalin cleaned up the place, and threw the brick. which stayed , for a short while, in the air, in the form of 1950s-60s techno-extravaganza , rocketry, nukes, etc; then brick, engineless and wingless, on downward trajectory.
asciilifeform: sorta why, imho, folx who lament 'and then cruel cynical grifter stalin took over' have it backwards.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a spiffy article, re 'grifters', and where specifically 'lenin played the lure sucker for stalin's grift'
asciilifeform: 'Why do the anticommunist "scholars", both in Russia and the West, ignore all this evidence? Why do they continue to promote the false notions that no conspiracies existed and that Stalin, not Ezhov, decided to execute hundreds of thousands of innocent people? The only possible explanation is that they do this for ideological reasons alone. The truth, as established by an examination of the primary source evidence, would make Stalin
asciilifeform: stalin, according to traditional legend, had ashtray from hitler's skull
asciilifeform: in classical (stalin) su, the iron law was 'prison transport may not be opened outside of prison or courthouse grounds, for ANY reason'
asciilifeform: it is if you have a stalin, i.e. a firm power vertical.
asciilifeform: can debate styles of management , etc. but for instance stalin did not sell natural resources. successors -- sold. even today, ru runs 100% 'on the pipe', like saud
asciilifeform: entirely possible that the man's chief sin was simply the failure to find worthy successor. he left tex to the maggots, and the result is exactly the typical result. ( just as e.g. stalin ended up leaving his 'tex' to the maggots, with similar result )☟︎
asciilifeform: kurchatov could strike a gentleman's understanding with stalin. but would have 'snowball's chance in hell' against a committee.
asciilifeform: stalin summoned kurchatov to the throne room, and described to him 'we're gonna have a cleanup, in physics, like in genetics, what do you think'
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, the folx pissing on stalin today, divide into usefulidjits and the actively pantsuited ( who would ~prefer~ an argentina in place of su )
asciilifeform: though i will add that if there had been not a stalin, and this were not done, su would look like zimbabwe (or, charitably, argentina et al)
asciilifeform: the observation re stalin rm -rf / 'ing the well-developed wot pre-dating him, is old hat and entirely tru
asciilifeform: wrote canonical bio of stalin, sat on the librorum prohibitorum committees, etc
asciilifeform: afaik d00d sucked stalin's cock till the day he died.
asciilifeform: 'we have no irreplaceables here' -- stalin
asciilifeform: there's not a stalin who will round up and shoot the lockheed board and their families etc
