mod6 is working on wrapping up all the things for V 99993
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, let me take care of that. 0.8 it was?
ben_vulpes: !!v FE62C1A6B3D703CEB2F058D90938A452801E95F7DCBC03825D763D80E3F7C9DA
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid mircea_popescu 0.8
ben_vulpes bbl, $child has announced bedtime by angrily tearing apart a couch to build a fort
shinohai: "We were TOTALLY not responsible at all, keep sending us monies."
ben_vulpes: !!v EC08ABA86FC893FD5A6FCC6FB66965D075BC3B7B00C8BBE155266D7DF4D34286
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid mod6 0.36578854
mod6: this deedbot payment system is slick asf
mod6: how do you mean 'files swapped' ?
mod6: then hypothetically the timing values for ones and zeros should simply be reversed, no?
mod6: iron is intel core-i5
mod6: sure. i may want to re-run this entire thing anyway... i kinda dumbly ran this on my laptop.
mod6: i have this mule box that i strap workloads to (core2duo box) -- should be fine as long as CPU isn't saturated, and during this test, the lappy was only like at .7 load or w/e
mod6: anyway, on the mule, i never did get adacore running properly. this lappy is the only box i got adacore '16 running on thus far.
mod6: only problem is: results aren't apples to apples.
mod6: different hardware.
mod6: so would want baseline + deltas all on same env.
mod6: aha, was thinking that's what you were thinking.
mod6: statistical noise, might be.
mircea_popescu: if you find now as opposed to whenever someone runs it, this differential is worth the difference between what and what ?
mircea_popescu: so his spending his time making less than minimum wage for it is basically his choice, you're just talking into the internet box ? is that the logic ?
mod6: yeah, no. it's fine. i was happy to build/run. to me this is all very exciting/important stuff. back when alf was doing the karatsuba and other things in the late summer/fall, this type of thing started to be contimplated for innerloop substitute.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you are talking to a man who spent his time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded.
☟︎ mod6: i think we may need some good data collected to come up with a list of arch's that leak
mircea_popescu: if you copy his style of "work", you'll be doing yourself a significant disservice.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, never the less, I'm still very much behind the utility of ffa
mircea_popescu: yes, but meanwhile you're engaged with bbisp, which costs $$$ each month.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, sure. I have a lot of things going on tho lol.
mod6: I get your meaning though.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but if you don't sort them by time-productivity you'll end up in the soup.
mircea_popescu: iirc a) they were nsa boxes and b) the problem there was transportation, after you managed to get them locked out of the phf flight that ended up not happening
mircea_popescu: that doesn't say much. what exactly has been arranged, where ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 17:48 ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice
mircea_popescu: so how many of 1, 2 or 3 do i want to fit in a 1u slot ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's unclear to me these are even dc worthy in any sense.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the situation is that s.nsa naively bought some iron at your recommendation at some prior point. meanwhile you refused to deliver the "here's the mega-article comparing all hardware, which will guide future republican hardware building.
mircea_popescu: and seeing how you're the fellow who asks me how many items do i want to fit in ben_vulpes 's one item slot, i have serious doubts about your cogency anyway.
mircea_popescu: so for now, waiting to see what bbisp decides to do re hardware, and vageuly considering getting out-of-house expertise.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi. could take too much power, could whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: we still don't have a proper item on which to base hardware strategy.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't trust asciilifeform to write it now, in any case.
mircea_popescu: i guess, perhaps, the standard for time frittering. but that's well set already, so.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, dja have some sort of decision yet ben_vulpes / mod6 ? are you goint to offer box rentals ? what kind ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: that is being discussed, yes.
mircea_popescu: well, that was pretty dumb on their part, i guess, but whatever, experience is apparently difficult to process.
ben_vulpes: will be renting boxes out, this first courier run is filling up with space-rental.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, but which are you buying ? or what's teh strategy exactly ?
ben_vulpes: i want the next run to have one box with lots of ram and cpu to start selling vps and shared hosting in earnest, and another 2 of smaller boxes that can be rented out entire in the $3-400/mo range.
mircea_popescu: so basically is the idea that you'll just do whatever and we're missing this opportunity to attempt an' standardize iron ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: standardize on number of cores or processor type?
mircea_popescu: well... you know how we've been trying to go "here, use THIS gentoo" for a while (to maybe some results so far) ? \
ben_vulpes: if i say "all boxes getting racked will have 32 cores" that's a huge minimum buy that i don't know that l2 can really eat many of.
mircea_popescu: "my computer dun werk" should have a "use this config" ready response.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes setting a standard doesn't mean anyone's ~forced~ to follow it.
trinque doesn't recall that anybody but danielpbarron used his standard musl gentoo.
trinque: pretty fucking annoying, that, actually.
trinque: I think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea here is that it'd be ~nice~ if we had a complete list of these responses. "my x dun werk" "use y".
mircea_popescu: be it os, kernel, gcc, whatever. so ideally there'd be a "this is the correct processor/ram/disk/motherboard" etc.
mircea_popescu: in the vein computers attempted to "ibm compat", except chosen by us not by ibm.
mircea_popescu: but getting back to the previous lulz,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 is remarkably nutty. so you liquidate my bonds at an (avoidable) cost of .8, in exchange for a 50% equity position and... what commitment exactly ? if for instance you need money next month, what do you do ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
ben_vulpes: we've made commitments to each other; if those are reneged upon the whole world goes up in a bonfire of negrating.
mircea_popescu: anyway. as he points out, not really much skin off my back either way. but consider that on one hand you're not exactly private investors there, seeing how fwiu you've involved the foundation's capital actually ? so you're stuck to some measure of public dealing an' tranparency as'd befit such a lofty entity in its first actual commitment ? and on the other hand, bbisp kinda depends on good public perception.
mircea_popescu: well anyway. i'm guessing ima read it in the monthlies or w/e.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you plan to rent boxes when we get them racked, or possibly colocate?
mircea_popescu: well, in all honesty after the bizarro revelations i'm mostly waiting for said discussion, of what you intend to do etc.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
lobbes: Normally I wouldn't say anything (not really my bznz) but I have a vested interest in asciilifeform existing (I learn a lot from the guy and he has done important work, what)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:31 mircea_popescu: mod6 you are talking to a man who spent his time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform .
lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news my grapefruit, natural etcetera mouthwash now has a "gluten free" sticker added.
mircea_popescu: lobbes i dunno that submission has anything to do with anything, tbh. the principal issue is that he fucked up, again, in the same way, and is sticking to this nopenopenopenope line.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going to go on tilt?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aaanyway. this whole "potential subscribers" is easily enough said, but you've apparently created quite a credit crunch for the item. because "well, let's send bbisp a box" "what if they go under ?" "i guess we underwrite some bonds" "but they DONT WANT your bonds!" "um..."
ben_vulpes: this is the "potential customer" underwriting bonds?
ben_vulpes: or somehow if the bonds are not from mircea_popescu they are not wanted
ben_vulpes astonished mircea_popescu remembered the brand this time
mircea_popescu: ok. suppose you wish to travel for two weeks, and leave it in parking-storage.
mircea_popescu: does it matter to you how well capitalised the parker-storager is ?
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, but it'd be a foolhardy operator indeed who expected customers to underwrite bonds
mircea_popescu: because it's somewhat common. your potential customer is necessarily underwriting your counterparty risk. you have unclear capital structure and unpublished "commitments to each other" ; neither of these is of the nature of reducing the cost of that counterparty risk.
mircea_popescu: this in general, leaving aside the apparent situation whereby in my particular case your bonds are actually ~worthless, so it's not even clear how it'd solute your risk at all.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo www.qntra.net 404s, should prolly just redirect. << Thank you, fixed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so BingoBoingo finally got his bank acct huh ! << The speed here...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:03 trinque: I think shinohai snowflaked himself up his own recently
shinohai: Also, buenas dias BingoBoingo ... como te vas?
shinohai: Aqui todo bien, tomando un cafecito y revisando los logs.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:57 asciilifeform: also goddammit why so slow, mircea_popescu , i'm waiting for the 'de-lording' bullet, staying up past bedtime
trinque: as for submission, in my house truth is the thing submitted to, and it so happens that most of the time I hold it.
trinque: oughta always go along with the guy who is right, and not the man who's named X.
trinque: if you thought it was unneeded or harmful to compile a list of hardware (not just that you have, but that could be desirable) for bisp, that'd be one thing, and the proper move is to respond with that
trinque: otherwise I'd say the guy who spent the most time writing an OS is probably the guy to assess hardware.
trinque: and if this is resisted for what appear to be psychological reasons, the fury is well spent.
trinque ftr likes asciilifeform very much, but that's his assessment of the sticky thing
trinque: men gotta be compelled by the truth, and men holding same are wasting their life if they don't use truth to compel
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 03:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "took me twice as long" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:55 asciilifeform: it so happens that asciilifeform has purchased a 50% stake in bisp. and specifically with one condition: that mircea_popescu (named, concretely) will not be a back-seat driver there.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The new management is working out the details for their clean takeover of the remains of BBISP as a new venture. I defer the revelation of details to management.
☟︎ hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784373 >> part and parcel of the problem of people on tilt is that they are quite convinced they're not. asciilifeform : you are digging yourself ever-deeper into a hole for the sake of your having missed your own deadline. you're of course welcome to ignore me and everyone else --trying to help you out-- (esp. trinque's imo excellent "assessment" this morning), thereby joining the ranks of those who wouldn't li
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:59 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going to go on tilt?
hanbot: sten. it's not a pretty place, and i have no idea why you'd want to live there.
hanbot: meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs?
trinque: the thing works here, in pm, w/e
trinque: there is no stripping-of-wallet implemented
trinque: I am not tarnishing my reputation by the wallet operating as anything other than a mechanism.
trinque: I recall one time I got pissy and tripled down on political strife over nothing.
trinque: don't want to repeat past mistakes
trinque: hopefully you and mircea_popescu can resolve this one
trinque: doubtful he fails in his modeling of you. maybe you fail interpreting his requests
trinque: I don't know, don't like to speak for people either.
mod6: <+hanbot> meanwhile, mod6 and ben_vulpes : why are the "discussions" etc re bbisp not in the logs? is there some benefit in their being private, contrary to umpteen years of the benefits of public discussion in said logs? << Hi hanbot. Let me try to answer here.
trinque: doubtful that also, or wouldn't be asked of so much.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:41 mircea_popescu: he's the executed kind.
mod6: Upon the failure of bbisp, and Mr. Popescu's leaving TMSR, The Bitcoin Foundation, in a last-ditch effort to save the ISventure and the Republic (
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471), has chosen to try to determine how / if it can do this without any outside interference.
☝︎☟︎ mod6: The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective.
☟︎ mod6: We don't have all of the details sorted out as of yet -- and keep in mind it has been TWO DAYS, since we even contemplated this. TWO DAYS.
mod6: So, we're working on it. And I am seriously discouraged by the line of commentary in here, as opposed to support.
trinque: don't speak in generalities, address people
trinque thinks this is a fine thing
mod6: Are you speaking to me, trinque?
trinque has spoken to ben_vulpes about having a box on the first provisioning run
mod6: Our plan is to publish what are plan is, we're working on that literally, right now.
☟︎ mod6: Anyways, carrying on here, we are working on a plan. We ask for your patience, and support.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I can comform my shopping to your schedule. When does it need to arrive?
ben_vulpes: if that's not enough time, please to speak up asap
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along.
☟︎ mod6: On a personal note, regarding "patience and support", I want to let it be known that it will be very hard if not impossible to make the ISP venture a success without the support of specficially, mircea_popescu, hanbot, diana_coman - and ``Minigame''. We need your business here.
lobbes: Not just ISP venture, but Republic as a whole. A mind with experience like mircea_popescu's comes along very infrequently. I.e. "resources" in my earlier comment refer to moar than just capital >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784360 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 05:51 lobbes: listen, titles are meaningless. What matters is a) resources (of which mp always had) and b) ability to be a true "enzyme" for smart folx (mp again)
shinohai: Thank you mod6, ben_vulpes, et all for all your hard work and support.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:17 mod6: The thought here was that the ISP venture was too much trouble for Mr. P. to be bothrered with, so we thought we'd do actually what he would have wanted: Stepped up to run it ourselves. The Bitcoin Foundation has taken many lumps over the years for not having spent any of the endowment bestowed upon it. We thought this is the perfect opportunity to show that we can be effective.
mod6: If the notion, ``there is no future for the republic without an isp'' (
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471) holds true, and mircea_popescu, hanbot, and diana_coman wish to see the Republic continue, we should all be putting aside differences to further the Republic.
☝︎ diana_coman: as lobbes points out there are valuable resources in the forum, even if now reduced; not using them looks weird let's say
mod6: diana_coman: All of this is in the logs, and on trilema "Don't have time to be a mommy", et. al.
diana_coman: mod6, yes, mommy is one thing but not the only thing
lobbes: asciilifeform: did he ask, though? Your work doesn't need to -end- just because delorded, or excluded from specific flight etc
lobbes: can regain again, what! You contribute a lot, that does not evaporate
lobbes: diana_coman has it I think; why "split" resources when moar brains = stronger republic
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it.
shinohai: I admit to have suffered dejection in past couple of days which had me questioning the future of Republic, but honestly, what else is there?
mod6: diana_coman: I don't see how a new venture is better off saddled with debt to it's former master. It was to be successful, it needs a fresh start.
trinque: republic's a social mechanism. kid with his toys by himself is not a republic
lobbes: without the ideology to teach future generations, what good are the tools
lobbes: they will die with last man
lobbes: as no one will understand how to use; "hammer in nails with mircoscope"-ism
lobbes: perhaps, but why not delay the death part of the death-rebirth cycle
trinque: gotta say this dick-pulling soup, sharing of our feelings, and etc., is tiresome.
mod6: trinque: would you like to take over my spot as Co-Chairman to the Bitcoin Foundation?
trinque: asciilifeform got thonked on his head because he has emotional walls which repel certain categories of correction
diana_coman: mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked?
☟︎ mod6: Debt, is debt diana_coman. Nothing more.
mod6: Debt is not an investment.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the only way I can follow that is as purely ideal "republic as a notion" etc. perhaps true but not particularly... effective let's say
trinque: so reform. take your texan short fuse and lengthen, or what, wrong file, sorry.
☟︎ mod6: trinque: I think you'd be a suitable replacement for me.
trinque: I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more.
diana_coman: mod6, uhm, did I say it was an investment? equity in something is however still some stake in it or do you consider it's not?
trinque: holy shit, the sudden influx of offers
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender.
☟︎ diana_coman: BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes
trinque: asciilifeform: see how I told you one thing, and you tried to misdirect me with another? or no?
trinque: how do you rub the dog's nose in the shit?
mod6: <+trinque> I don't think now's the time for that. lest rustled jimmies, not more. << Ok, well let me know if you want to. I'm ready to step down and take my leave of all of this.
trinque: asciilifeform: so then read the last 10-15 lines and try to see what trinque's gesturing at
mod6: diana_coman, hanbot, same offer stands to you as well.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i've said it before and i'll say it again, your calm under fire is invaluable and i'd be much obliged if you'd stick around.
diana_coman: I for one will certainly wait patiently for the bbisp communications when they come
mod6: I'll repeat myself: If you want a republic to exist, and you believe the foundation to be a good thing, support us. I've given seven years. Maybe it's time for someone who knows better than ole mod6.
mod6: But I'll not sit by and watch a bunch of in-fighting embarrass all the hardwork and effort we've put in. I'd rather burn out, than fade away.
mod6: This is the moment when you affirm your support, or you do not, and throw your hat in the ring to take the reigns from mod6.
☟︎ diana_coman: mod6 I support tmsr isp but atm I am at a loss as to what it is and how to actually support it
diana_coman: hence as I said earlier: I'll be waiting patiently for its communications
mod6: Stand-by, we're trying to get that communicaiton out now. I'm reading the things.
lobbes: Dick-pulling aside, it seems there is Schism 2.0 happening (which I think is fucking retarded but okay). Are there going to be two republics now or wat? This goes beyond a mere ISP, hence hard to enumerate the future.
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784295 << I still think that this assumption, which you seem to be basing your current actions on, is a flawed assumption. But whatever, I'll still tune in to (and try to assist with, if assistance wanted) whatever asciilifeform (and ben_vuples mod6 and co.) produce. A split republic is still better than none as far as my individual fitness is concerned. Just... dumb.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform .
trinque: this thing doesn't need any more chatter; let the parties working work, and see what comes of it.
☟︎ lobbes: right. right. bah okay. I got work to do on my archive-related shit anyway
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, ahahah; ftr though that is ...true from all my experience as it is, yes << Living in the hostel, you observe this a lot.
BingoBoingo: Pretty girls and women change in the multi bed mixed gender rooms. Boys and fat chicks change in the bathrooms.
ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity
☟︎ ben_vulpes to waltz around in the sun for a few minutes, will digest comments async