tmsr - Log 2019-02-15

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asciilifeform: ( before mircea_popescu answers 'holy mother of fuck, this is chemically-pure wankery' -- yes, it was. but imho still beats shit out of redditism. )

asciilifeform was given 'mk61' at same age i think diana_coman's kid is nao ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'hand me down' from elder.

mircea_popescu: lol diana_coman

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, as she points out, it's eulorism avant la lettre.

asciilifeform can see it..

asciilifeform: i would almost say 'i had moar fun with that thing than ever did with pc', but this is prolly http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888232 -effect. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-18 17:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888188 << oh hey , was this same grandfather as 'i miss stalin, we were younger then' ?

asciilifeform for yrs nao has wanted to build some boxen around sovok k1801, but was never able to justify the sweat in light of war effort -- the demand for iron wallets and similar , even among folx with 3rd eye open, seems to be pretty minimal.

asciilifeform: 4MB aint enuff to e.g. trb inside. tho 1 could rsa in it.

asciilifeform: ( or boot sysv unix, if yer a masochist )

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's brother worked on 1, in '90 or so. thing powered a hall of 32 glass terminals , occupied ~24/7 by hungry undergrads

asciilifeform: sysop kicked the drum disk to get it goin'.

asciilifeform won a http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/ in trilemalotto today. classic piece, but observe that clicking on the 'internal' footnote linx throws the selector script into same bug as on asciilifeform's site

mircea_popescu: hm ?!

mircea_popescu: i select, clicked footnote, select again, it works throughout ?

asciilifeform: grr couldn't reproduce 2nd time

asciilifeform: all the moar headachy

asciilifeform: ( does that thing invoke rng somewhere?! )

mircea_popescu: lmao. nope

asciilifeform won't be surprised if 1 day we learn that it only happens if you click on the bottom serif of a lower case 's' or somesuch

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman do you have any pressing itches re the asm vivisections , or can table it for nao ?

mircea_popescu: table.

asciilifeform: aite.

asciilifeform empties head.

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/wall-street-1987/ << Trilema -- Wall Street (1987)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in crazy coincidences : speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896828 trilema commenters dug out.... well, there was this antique trilema hater / goffy ununderstood soul / fellow with talent & issues that kept deleting his blog (only to resurect it periodically). well, in this 5th or 9th or whatever resurected phase, what is he writing about YESTERDAY if not... https://ludditus.com/2019/02/10/nostalgia-fun-w ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:45 asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage.

mircea_popescu: ith-calculators/

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ : bitcoin's still capped at 21mn (pantsuit still claiming this is bad) ; usg's confetti just passed 22... quadrillion or some shit (pantsuit still claiming that 1. it is capped and 2. nothing to be worried about -- not even self-contradiction). http://www.usdebtclock.org/ has some tickers.

mircea_popescu: the fmi is gonna make some austerity recomendations, rite ?

mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896874 -> pending getting finally ave1's gnat recompiled with sjlj and then running it on smg test server, I'd say switching to sjlj + no handlers is pretty much the only currently available option anyway ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 02:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ?

mircea_popescu: i guess so.

diana_coman: fwiw yesterday I had in parallel this recompile task going too, but all sorts of stuff going with it so it's still ongoing (and apparently I'll have afterwards to write-it up as well, on top of the sjlj data )

mircea_popescu: aha.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896880 << That slow walk to "weather instability" as their new buzzword ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 06:24 mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/jeff-bezos-stops-plans-for-second-amazon-headquarters-in-new-york/ << Qntra -- Jeff Bezos Stops Plans For Second Amazon Headquarters In New York

diana_coman: oh boy: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OIR1B/?raw=true

diana_coman doesn't yet know wtf that is exactly - will go and dig

BingoBoingo: And it comes out GNAT has never been tested before to the extent the Republic is testing it

mircea_popescu: except that's WHAT FUCKING WEATHER MEANS.

mircea_popescu: when the fuck is weather ~stable~ ? maybe in sahara.

mircea_popescu: first "global warming", that didn't pan out, then "climate change", that also didn't pan out, now it's "nothing in particular" and i'm supposed to take them seriously ?

mircea_popescu: beat the wives more.

BingoBoingo: They gotta sell their Pol Pot plan for stability somehow.

mircea_popescu: totally.

mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to.

mircea_popescu: as a smart woman once said, "to have fun you need to organize it". i know, cuz i wrote her.

mircea_popescu: (for thread completness : dood's a "crypto skeptic" for the simple reason that i told 'em to get in back in 2011, when ro speakers were going through a phase of our-homegoat-just-as-good-as-mp's-mercedes, and so of course they "knew better" then. romanians are dumb enough to get locked into these permamently, just like any other rural morons.)

mircea_popescu: needless to say... there's a lohohohohooot of these.

asciilifeform looked at linked www, seems to have.. buncha reviews of winblowz av!! who the fuck ~collects~ winblows av?!

diana_coman: socialists?

asciilifeform: ( aside from pro virii-bakers , for tests. but d00d dun seem to be 1 of ~these~ )

asciilifeform: i didn't even see any mention of 'crypto', other than a 2017 piece where he gripes about uninvited js minerism

asciilifeform: ( presumably he deleted ? )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'Error detected around a-calend.adb:801:11' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fCaiF/?raw=true << is there any chance yer clock is off ?

asciilifeform: ( or moved during the build ?? )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly not moved during the build; it says 16:34 gmt now so doubt it's a problem

asciilifeform: the 2nd eggog is also a constraint eggog, thrown in bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YUqze/?raw=true

asciilifeform: hrm.

diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf ☟︎

asciilifeform: clear so far; but not why

asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to briefly describe how you set up this build, so i can replicate locally

BingoBoingo: !!rate cazalla 1 Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste

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asciilifeform brb, tea

BingoBoingo: !!v EAADE283F871C8A1FB63719F0509FAE74A77977833D27676959EDE9795B4620C

deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of cazalla from 8 to 1 << Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste

BingoBoingo: !!rate mod6 4 TRB, Pizarro, testing of things

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diana_coman: hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken ; anyways, it's with http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh ; set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place ☟︎

BingoBoingo: !!v 8259D8A47353C666238F664566D3E65C89A5AE414FA502AAA633DA3BDD618A5B

deedbot: BingoBoingo rated mod6 4 << TRB, Pizarro, testing of things

diana_coman: exorted makeopts and then run the build-ada.sh in short

diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/ ☟︎

diana_coman: at least to have some idea if the move to gcc that builds static only has to do with it

diana_coman: for sanity I just checked by the way that the exact same machine DOES in fact build successfully GNAT with those same scripts without the sjlj added requirement

diana_coman will bbl

BingoBoingo about to do WoT cleanup

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BingoBoingo: !!rate jborkl_ 1 wrote, probably making tracks in the trackless waste

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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: imo very typical of the sort of braindamage involved.

BingoBoingo: !!unrate punkman

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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896912 << fucking hell... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:07 diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf

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mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!" ☟︎

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BingoBoingo: !!rate ragnardanneskjol -5 Professed to do something, Ate substantial time over several years, if he crawls back out of his whole consider him a navigational hazard who will eat any time you offer him and further waste anytime you spend expecting him to deliver

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BingoBoingo: !!v EA312C58C5DFDBAAA93BABAD6ECB87B51D16F804D527B9613700F3E21A31F3BC

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BingoBoingo: That ends this round of ratings updates

asciilifeform: ohey BingoBoingo cleaned house

BingoBoingo: There's other cuts top meditate on

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896982 << the... 'smarter' ( i hesitate to use this word, perhaps 'less retarded..' ? ) winblows folx, long ago threw out av.. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896996 << if there exists somewhere a 800+kLoc proggy that ~aint~ a tower o'shit, i have yet to see or even hear of it ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:45 mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!"

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:13 diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity ☟︎

diana_coman: paging ave1 - do you have any idea re compiling GNAT with musl WITH sjlj? see thread above

diana_coman: uhm, and ave1's blog thinks I'm a spammer and won't let me comment...

PeterL: bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i notice you were building 'aarch64' ? this was on rk ?

asciilifeform: diana_coman: were you attempting to build ~x64~ gnat on this ? ftr i was never able to ( with classic zxc variant, this was long before the current thread )

asciilifeform: ( 'move_insn' seems to be the peephole optimizer on back end. i gotta wonder if it ended up being fed a x64 .o by the linker, and choked on ~that~ )

asciilifeform: the choke point is an assert, seen at bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8yKzH/?raw=true snippet

diana_coman: asciilifeform, this was on smg machine; same machine that in same setup just without "--enable-sjlj" option builds the gnat perfectly fine

asciilifeform: hm then why aarch64 ?

diana_coman looks

asciilifeform: | GPL 2016 (20160515-49) (aarch64-linux-musl) GCC error: |

asciilifeform: | in move_insn, at haifa-sched.c:5179

asciilifeform: ^ from diana_coman's pastebarf

asciilifeform: aarch64 == arm64, that's the ave1-baked rk gnat

diana_coman: hm, do you mean to say it's because/while it tries to build the one for arm?

diana_coman: because no, the one installed on the machine and used for the scripts is adacore's

diana_coman: but obv during the build, it tries to build for all archs

asciilifeform: see what happens if you snip out the aarch64 build ( whether chokes same when building x64 gnat )

diana_coman: makes sense, will try

asciilifeform: this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64. ☟︎

diana_coman: ofc it's still a bug; but one step forward in figuring out something of this is still useful

diana_coman: and yes, I am currently mainly interested in x64

asciilifeform: rright, so lessee if its a gnat bug per se , or only in arm backend.

BingoBoingo: <PeterL> bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again? << Next month, I will start at 500 WFF again

asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : https://archive.is/VP9aF << suggests that sjlj is borked on arm

asciilifeform: ( note btw that sjlj on backend is a gcc pheature, rather than particular to gnat -- tho gnat naturally has hooks for it, when in use )

asciilifeform: for the l0gz, the horse's mouth :

asciilifeform: 'Fabian Vogt 2014-12-12 15:30:53 UTC If sjlj exceptions are not supported for ARM, shouldn't the configure option be invalid for ARM or at least print a warning? If an option does exist and it simply crashes the compiler during make, it's definitely broken and must be removed.'

asciilifeform: 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. maintainer loudly an' abundantly shat from mouth when asked 'wtf'

diana_coman: oh hm, on the + it seems at least so far the trouble is indeed on arm only; on the big minus, it seems though that the switch I used is not enough in fact i.e. the result still does not have sjlj rts; so I still need to see what exactly it wants to actually build the sjlj rts too

asciilifeform: diana_coman: how didja build, --enable-sjlj-exceptions ?

diana_coman: yes

diana_coman: if you mean re gnat

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: iirc ave1's builder is a 2-step thing, so gotta make sure it gets enabled for both

diana_coman: that's the switch I gave it; let me check in the log too to make sure I didn't dream I actually saw it in there (but for that matter if it didn't, it wouldn't have barfed)

diana_coman: for the bootstrapper you mean?

asciilifeform: right

diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat ☟︎

diana_coman: oh joy

asciilifeform: as i guessed , ha

asciilifeform: after this you oughta get a sjljistic ave1 gnat.

diana_coman: mk, so I'll add then: GCC_BOOTSTRAP_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions"

diana_coman: GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions"

diana_coman: but I suspect this is not the end of it because the bootstrap will want additional stuff that it probably doesn't yet have set to have etc

asciilifeform: fastest way to find out is prolly to fire it, like-so

asciilifeform: diana_coman: how long do these take to grind on your box btw ?

asciilifeform: make sure you enabled -jXXX or what was it, to use all cores

asciilifeform: (when building)

diana_coman: full you mean? I didn't time it, more usual left it and came back to it done, but from scratch ~1hour , possibly a bit more than that (less than 2 though)

diana_coman: that yes, I did and it is using

asciilifeform: aa ok

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform when did this, forgot, and then wondered why it grunted for whole night )

diana_coman: aha; I remembered the pain from first time when yes, whole night

diana_coman: I've started it now with both flags, let's see

diana_coman will bbl

asciilifeform also bbl

BingoBoingo: In local developments, the local dorks have figured out how to get the motorized app managed kick scooters to work