tmsr - Log 2019-06-29

ave1: at time like these I wish I had a store full of good remarks in my head, instead of tons of ways to program a stupid computer

ave1: I think I'm pressing the right buttons on this gcc build but it simply does not work

mp_en_viaje: you will be mentioned in my current article which may have to also be my will.

mp_en_viaje: also, anyone recall the logline where (iirc ben_vulpes ?) described alf being in some sort of oooh, it wasn't manticore, it was valkyrie.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the manticore, was yours, was drawing on your www header, 'mp rides the manticore'

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/did-anyone-ever-notice-before-the-pierogi-are-shaped-like-a-twat-no-me-neither/ << Trilema -- Did anyone ever notice before the pierogi are shaped like a twat ? No ? Me neither.

BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> where the fuck's the whole manticore thing coming from then ?! << During hanbot's missionary work to tardstalk, the manticore piece was one of the arts commisioned. Don't have the link on hand, but seems like a 2013 thing

asciilifeform: gotta luvv the limba de lemn, as well as the smoke bomb 'ooh it's about broken installations, not factorable moduli, dun listen to terrorists' and 'here's our fix, use our New, Improved, Curated keyserv at ftmea^HH^H^H^Hopenpgp.org' etc

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news and international observers: https://archive.is/6YMHN "Una delegación de observadores internacionales que arribaron a Uruguay para las elecciones internas de los partidos políticos fueron asaltados mientras cenaban en un restaurante" "Entraron cinco o seis encapuchados rompiendo la puerta de vidrio. Todos tenían revólveres y máscaras y algunos escopetas"

BingoBoingo: In the saga of the worst sport, futbol. Uruguay was eliminated from the Copa America by Peru in a game where they put the ball in the goal three times during regulation play, none of which counted for various femstate reasons. Lost the 0-0 tie in a sort of coinflip dressed as a shootout.

BingoBoingo: Apparently three of the four other quarterfinals also ended in 0-0 ties

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/06/29/peso-watch-june-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch June 2019

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 07:03 mp_en_viaje: trinque, i do not believe you will find such a thing as a useful history of rus' 20th century in this language, like you have say a useful history of the latin centuries 3-5.

trinque: the mircea_popescu/asciilifeform threads are probably the best source historians will have in 3-500 yrs

a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 22:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519897 << yes, the us was inconceivably wealthy. i nthat 1985-1990 half decade / 5yrplan it could have literally convinced the globe to do anything. this is ultimate wealth. sadly they decided to use that capital to convince the globe "saddam had nuclear weapons" and "green energy/blabla ecolotardisms and assorted danquayleisms" instead.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920336 << I assume this means, among other things, that the statal terror (gulag etc) was a necessary part of the peasant-shithole to spacefaring transition? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 14:12 asciilifeform: and in epoch 3, 4, whole orchestra of kakobreklas killed entire forests to print nonsense re how 'we did it ~in spite~ of the management', aha.

trinque: it's hard to see a way this organized statal terror doesn't become self-licking-icecream-cone, and evidently it did

trinque: do you see this as a management failure, inevitability, inferior stock, other?

asciilifeform: trinque: management ~success~. contrary to western reich Official histories, stalin in fact terminated the self-licking cone.

asciilifeform: installed l. p. beria as grand vizier, who immediately beheaded the leftists who operated lenin's meat grinder, and amnestied 1/3 or so of total prisoner ( hrusch -- murdered beria, let go another 1/3 and took credit for whole thing, and repainted beria as 'cannibal' )

asciilifeform: interestingly, however, meat grinder ~also~ success -- culled peasant herd ( exactly like england had to in 1700s ) and decimated the 'axe handles' in the professional officer corps ( buharin et al, quite ready to serve germany, england, france, in exchange for 'miami' )

asciilifeform: at the risk of oversimplification -- if not for the corpses, ru today would not be easily distinguishable from india.

trinque: it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors. ☟︎

trinque: asciilifeform: what is it in your view that broke? simply succession? nobody could sit in king stalin's chair?

asciilifeform: ( and not merely because of the obvious complication, tho it did not help -- e.g. peter also could not find a second one of himself to put in the throne ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 18:37 asciilifeform: revolutionaries break vital organ -- mechanism of succession to throne. this almost always gives same pattern. ( and in that light, north kr, for whatever idiocies, is unusual and worth to study , is exception )

asciilifeform: hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables. ☟︎

asciilifeform: there might have been people who survived winning lottery, but afaik no empire ever did. 'easy money' -- ruin.

asciilifeform: suddenly it 'doesn't matter' that throne is surrounded by sycophants and halfwits, industry run into the ground, etc. 'so long as the pipe keeps gushing'

asciilifeform: on other end of ocean -- entirely possib that rockefeller's petro-era made possible (inevitable?) fdr & co.

asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ? ☟︎

trinque: could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US? ☟︎

asciilifeform: cuz evidently no one there can design a 1970s-style computer. or even thing about why. why think, why be friends with yer head, when petropayola.

asciilifeform: phunphakt, carrier of sov. prototype of manned moon vehicle -- about 1.5x size of 'apollo' -- exploded on pad. twice (Officially.) and Officially 'for no reason' ☟︎

asciilifeform: usg philosophy, 'why grow cow, when i can burn down neighbour's barn' was already formed. couldn't carry 4evah, tho, so eventually grew cow.

trinque: I don't know about that. I'm meandering toward a point about narrative and the power thereof.

asciilifeform: trinque: the Officially held sov-religion makes approx as much sense to innocent modern ears as, e.g. catholicism. it's imho largely a distraction from the meat.

asciilifeform: they believed roughly same thing as such people believe today. that it is possible to do things, and they're worth doing. 'act from principle'(tm)(r)(mp) & so on.

trinque: act from principle yes, but there appear to be moments where the principles flow, heh, from princeps

asciilifeform: spanish conquerors, pizarro, cortes, et al, had priests on board, exactly like sov submarine had 'polit'. and each Officially sailed in the name of jes^H^H^Hlenin etc. and priest ate and shat and with 0 to show for it. dun mean a thing.

asciilifeform: possibly it is possible to do without priest, pirate vessel had none. but pirate vessel also not carrying many conscripts.