BingoBoingo: Becuase who would lend at a favorable rate for that. Or as Trump want to deal with bankruptcy in different jurisdictions
BingoBoingo: The stretching for anything at all to scandalize is stretching far
mircea_popescu: i thought the big story out of the soviet united these days is which geezer said which other geezer isn't welcome at his funeral.
mircea_popescu: because totally, politburo didn't die, it just caught a charter flight to ny.
ben_vulpes: mccain's deathbed lulz are grade a: he'd rather have the aborter-in-chief around, totally fries leeb heads who'd just started to like the old coot
BingoBoingo: McCain needs to be bitter about the things that matter, like when Dubya stole his nomination in 2000
mod6: i'd like to say 'sad', but then i aught to feel sad for myself as I probably eat a lot of feed-lot beef myself.
mod6: i don't eat as much beef as i used to i guess. more pork & chicken these days
BingoBoingo: My concern is more the local consumer behavior
mod6: the guy is probably right.
mod6: you feelin' any better?
mircea_popescu: eh some retard saw something in a shop. odds are it's imported us beef, because "tienda inglesa" bs.
mircea_popescu: upon examination, they are exuding from a chicken rotisserie with disco lights that is evidently a brothel that is having karaoke night.
mircea_popescu: it is possible they were rickrolled and didn't realise it, i didn't stick around to investigate.
lobbes has only done karaoke once, and it was to rickroll the audience
lobbes: only a handful got it, but it was enough
lobbes: well, hell, the later the better mebbe
trinque: this is a trb log, not some banthing I made
trinque: far as I'm aware it's logging the rejected connect attempts
lobbes: trinque, how'd you get your log to show timestamps? Mine seems to be missing them
trinque: got it running in the "runit" service manager, has a logger called svlogd which reads from stdin, farts to logfile with timestamps (if directed)
esthlos: trinque: yesterday could not make it to irc. removing the dependancy on cl-ppcre shoudn't be too hard. sbcl comes with sb-ext:run-program, which wraps a call to execvp (
http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#DOCF7). if somehow uiop is being thrown into the mix, then it shouldn't be
esthlos: it should be fixed if I replace the current call to run-program with the full sb-ext:run-program, and really the call should be fixed to work on ccl as well
mod6: wow, phuctor is crunchin through 'em quick huh
mod6: yah, that's what i mean. eaten.
mod6: get with wthe lingo mod6
ave1: diana_coman,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810933, I'm working on it, getting rid of the git line was a bit harder than expected (apparently nobody hosts this as as a tar.gz file). Also, all my parallel builds of the whole thing fail.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 19:38 diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
ave1: random point in building gcc
ave1: I suspect the ada makefile(s) have a problem with some of the rules
ave1: Yes, I was looking into how I could make the flags not apply for specific makefiles
ave1: These are not modified as far as rules go, just small fixes to make cross-compiling with differently named compilers possible
ave1: It may also be something with the gmake on this machine, an earlier glibc also failed to build in parallel
ave1: Yes, 2.14 (this was to find out if I could make glibc produce smaller statically build outputs)
ave1: Probably, I will first focus to get the stages building done, that will make it way more easy to debug
ave1: It does have a rudimentary version, but then it re-uses the directories for the next round. Currently, I hope to get this done this week.
ave1: The weather has suddenly gone from 15 degrees celcius /cloudy/raining to over 25 with sun here, so the garden is exploding and needs some serious cutting
☟︎ trinque: esthlos: ah ok, thought run-program was coming from uiop. sounds like sbcl, cmucl, and ccl would be the desired targets.
trinque: did phf or other lispers have commentary on esthlos' item? ben_vulpes? asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: i just found my old cl v as well; gonna dust it off for lulz
ben_vulpes: esthlos: where do you want input? comments on a-vtron ?
trinque: it's not where he wants input, it's where we want changes
phf: i've skimmed it when it came out and i agree with your feedback. primarily making it self contained, i.e. getting rid of cl-ppcre for parsing (!!1) and needless dependencies like uiop by way of classical (defun run-program (foo bar) #+sbcl (sb-ext:...) #+ccl (ccl:...) #-(or ccl sbcl) (error ...))
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 14:29 asciilifeform: i'ma grind'em all in 1 batch
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 14:45 ave1: diana_coman,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810933, I'm working on it, getting rid of the git line was a bit harder than expected (apparently nobody hosts this as as a tar.gz file). Also, all my parallel builds of the whole thing fail.
ben_vulpes: esthlos: seems your v doesn't take a head to which to press, but implicitly presses whatever comes out of the toposort; this is incorrect and the operator needs a lever there
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 15:05 ave1: The weather has suddenly gone from 15 degrees celcius /cloudy/raining to over 25 with sun here, so the garden is exploding and needs some serious cutting
ben_vulpes: use a tempdir for gnupg's keyring; thing must be stateless.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: esthlos: i would like to see it complain loudly if it finds a bad signature, not merely look for some good ones
ben_vulpes: actually invalid signature in .seals should stop the world, but i don't recall offhand if that's differentiable from the no key for signature case
mircea_popescu: anyway, the definition isn't "at least one good signature from declared .wot in .seals dir" but "at least one good signature and no bad signatures from declared .wot in .seals dir".
ben_vulpes: esthlos: also needs a build script to produce a binary for use outside of a LISP repl; my lisp v implementation ran afoul of this years ago. ~nobody would fire up a lisp repl to test the thing. this may be different today, but the fact remains that for this to make it into widespread use it's going to need to be callable from the linux cli.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, an' if it's different today it has a lot to do with candi_lustt
ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: shows up as speshulchar ^L in emacs; i've seen this before in other lispwads written by the github crew and don't really know what to make of it. convention of the ancients? perhaps asciilifeform or phf or someone else who's literate and knows history could enlighten me.
phf: it's a page break, historically used to indicate sections, so when you e.g. spool it to printer you get a page break at the end of each section. emacs (but so did zwei) have special keys for handling it at top level
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was saddened that they're apparently in bed with such jews that they can't bring themselves to sink the target ship
ben_vulpes: now i sympathize deeply but the apparent frugality is at such odds with the otherwise liberal combustion of dollars that it induces a painful headache of cognitive dissonance
ben_vulpes: in other usg idiocies, i recently found a dood who achieved the not-insignificant feat of a constant propspeed belt-drive GAS ENGINE QUADCOPTER butbutbut the rotor pitch variation mechanism RUNS OVER WIFI
ben_vulpes: you can get the fine control with mechanical rotor pitch variation as well.
ben_vulpes: no, but vastly less so than the generator assy. it's a collar around each prop.
phf: asciilifeform: i suspect there are old school historic reasons for not using own vessels for target practice.
ben_vulpes: constant speed has fundamentally appealing attributes, way lower prop inertia for same power output for one.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, ^L is page break, very early printer-bound substitute for the later notion of "files"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 16:07 ben_vulpes looking forward to that puncturing
ben_vulpes: because intellectually lazy americans have outgrown their curiosity, and buy kits to bolt together. "look ma, i r aerospace engineer!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: peroxide goes through half-decade-ly popularity cycles, folks discover the cat packs are a pita, move on to propane or other low-dough exotics.
ben_vulpes: anyways, lawnmower engine can lift all that you could possibly want to lift. no need to optimize on this axis.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-28 02:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
mircea_popescu: i would personally really like a metal-miniaturization school. i would like to see not only really tiny machine guns as in ye ancient discussion of anti-fly capable tabletop AA batteries ; but also tiny engines, as in matchbox sized model cars THAT ACTUALLY TAKE FUEL, from the dropper. one drop = full tank. and then go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the true reason "no need to optimize on that axis" is because it's a flying machine that doesn't threaten the usg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure, once. but as a thing, you know ? as a ~school~.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- lawnmower flying machines are slow enough, loud enough, limited enough, targettable enough, undynamic enough and everything else enough that even 1980s tech bound empire can handle them, even "en masse" (they can't mass well either)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, but clockmaking WAS a school, back before the "you can do anything" and "you're perfect the way ytou are" 1789 moment.
mircea_popescu: well, there's a large pile of veblenizers that make "heirloom" watches. but they're all mechanically made and consequently fundamentally uninteresting. talk about "Accept the form of the argument so as to debate its conclusions" failure mode. somehow nobody told them that if they do move to industrial process, there's no possible argument as to why not quartz.
mircea_popescu: mechanical movements with standardized parts, now THAT is one fucking lulz.
mircea_popescu: and the problem isn't even that "it takes a skilled man 5 years to handmake a watch", because half-mn watches would sell and skilled people make less than 100k a year routinely. the problem is rather "are you fucking kidding me, the only way you can find whores is if you find someone to persuade women-on-couches that whoring wouldn't inconvenience their couch-bound lifestyle, wtf handmade clocks. you're lucky if they can be a
mircea_popescu: rsed to open the kibble package on their own and without complaining it's too hard to open."
mircea_popescu: depends in what market. i suspect the "chilling effect" is far stronger than the actual effect. ie, in a market with demand for 1bn watches and supply for ~100mn (which was the case cca 1940, ftr, take say shadow of a doubt : bank clerk who can support wife and daughters in humongous mansion in desirable californa location (santa rosa) out of his bank clerk job is very proud, and his friends are very envious, when he finally
mircea_popescu: gets a wristwatch) the introduction of the quartz movement resolved the problem, pushing supply to ~infinity bn and therefore demand first to 900mn and eventually to maybe half bn. (i haven't worn a wristwatch in like 20 years, because why.)
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, the collapse was of 500mn not of 1bn. it did reduce the demand, but not wipe it out entirely.
mircea_popescu: now, the demand for "a watch made out of the sufference of small children and the tears of young virgin widows" was never 0 ; and will never be 0, no matter what happens.
mircea_popescu: and even if it stands to unexamined imagination, "the $5 watch renders the demand for $500`000 watches 0", this is never true. no demand ever reaches actual 0, for very good reasons that have to do with how negative numbers don't exist irl.
mircea_popescu: but this is also irrelevant : local brothel offers much better deal than local wedding chappel in all times and places.
mircea_popescu: if men can somehow convince themselves women are "people, just like them", they certainly can convince themselves watches are people just like them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i propose this has nothing to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: ie, the phenomenology of the lost is a product of the loss.
mircea_popescu: this is like proposing that "look where videogame sexualization ended up" in a discussion about modern sexuality. really, what pipe dreams the pipe smokers dream is not a proper basis for argument.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:34 mircea_popescu: so : the faberge egg, the original, was made in 1885 ; but it was the continuation and in a sense the crowing of a current of thought (ie, culture) and proper civilisation that reached back over a centry.
mircea_popescu: i would not. speaking of actual items, ie watches, it's not the case that every existent demand can be economically exploited. there's also uranium in the ocean etc. speaking of phones, they're not proper items, they are, like say the jet fighter, merely the sign of something somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: trivial to sell vertu phones : make a proper encrypted, nsa-proof network, only allow vertuphones to connect. end of story.
mircea_popescu: the phone is a sort of college degree, meaningless outside the sturcture of meaning that produced it.
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the immense importance of the phone, and the cellphone, in cultural terms, was exactly this : showing skeptics such as yours truly that bottled hallucination doth sell on actual economic grounds.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it is very much not true, no. veblen goods are as i said above, " made out of the sufference of small children and the tears of young virgin widows". it is an item of denial.
mircea_popescu: networked items, such as phones, bank cheques, copyright certificates, college degrees etcetera are made of the ~acceptance of all~, not of the suffering of some.
mircea_popescu: but see, the word printed on it isn't "please! NOT MY DAUGHTER!" in the blood of a double rape and murder victim.
mircea_popescu: the word printed on it is "toYOta", as in, "would you like to be my friend ? we're both exactly just as empty of anything".
mircea_popescu: back when the germans still existed as a people, plenty of demand for human skin couches.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 18:20 mircea_popescu: nda Gates Foundation. Was not a whole lot. Less than a mil. I made a decent fortune from bitcoins for no reason. And they are doing some really cool projects for humanity. Love their work. I have been to quite a few of Richard Stallman's talks. But still not inspired enough to care so much about OSS. I like it, but I also understand the argument for not having OSS and making money off it. But you did a good thing there. so co
mircea_popescu: the word "project" is not incidental, by the way. hallucinatory world would be all about hallucinations.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason veblen goods end up pricey whereas hallucination excreta ends up cheap.
mircea_popescu: the limiting factor on human leather goods is the "strong winds" of ye olde prophete ; the driving force of hallucinatoria is mass acceptance, meaning that the individual item value is actually negative. a phone in the factory costs... -5$. not even zero, below 0. whereas once in "consumer" hands, it's worth whatever, 75 bux.
mircea_popescu: so the sale is always a sham, and the "corporate phone" necessarily the underlying support should sales falter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't permit socialist redefinitions of words universally, this is not much discovery.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let me tell you a lulzy story : so the brexit, yes ?
mircea_popescu: now tell me, what is the absolutely ~dumbest~ thing bruxells could have done ?
mircea_popescu: ha. no. they decided they're not going to recognize uk-issued driving licenses on the continent.
mircea_popescu: to which of course, the brits will respond in kind, predictibly enough -- and here's the capper : the loss to a group of 1mn for rejecting 1k who 1k then reject the 1mn back is... ~999k.
mircea_popescu: ie, having eu licenses admitted in the island is worth about... 40% of the value of the eu license.
mircea_popescu: to trade 40% of the world for 60% of a shitty island... "it profits a man nothing to trade his soul for the whole world... but for walles ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: so now back to it : idle marketing gimmicks whereby they crust diamonds to a cellphone / put crowns on random selected poor from the socialist horde etc, so as to sell the phones/electoral nonsense w/e they're selling, "it's worth spending your time waiting tables in la, because this one chick we picked gets 10mn a year and so couldn't you (unless of course we arbitrarily and entirely outside of your control pick you)." matte
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact that if people ~didn't~ buy cellphones, they'd be forced down their throats via "employer '''bought''' and here it is, wear it".
mircea_popescu: that they're idiots enough to buy of own volition (not out of own pocket, not like they own or make money, anyway -- which is why all the discussion re "taxes" is such lulz, what fucking taxes lmao) has no bearing ; and to propose that it's "because" jobbs crusted diamonds to one once and held it over his head is so much logicking with the stones.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, can't be the null set, there's a handcrafted gentoo for instance.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 16:56 asciilifeform: just how many tourists drive themselves with own hands, anyway
mircea_popescu: now i'm confused. england is this shitty island with bad weather and very expensive cabs, you heard of it ?
mircea_popescu: not many ~tourists~, but to imagine anyone goes to the shithole of the western hemisphere for the ... what was it, for the food ?
mircea_popescu: they got the worst food, worst amenties, worst weather, worst service, most expensive ugly whores and really, every ingrown hair conceivable out of anywhere.
mircea_popescu: hong kong is kramped, but at least the food's mostly edible.
mircea_popescu: have you ever even fucking seen british "real estate" ? it's like the doghouse show!
mircea_popescu: i visited in like... 92 i think. and very much liked it ; something that never recurred on subsequent visits. place's an unredeemed shithole.
mircea_popescu: like if you took all the canadians, allowed the smater 10% to leave, then plonked them all down in haiti.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in 92 of interest were items like "hey, check it out, road w/o potholes" and "you can go to shop in X field and they'll either have or produce through specified process any item in field" etcetera. what experience informed by 25 years' research identifies as intolerable food was then merely weird. idiots i can smell from miles away now merely counted as very strange and bizarre people. and so on.
mircea_popescu: i expect. i mean... i was walking through town yesterday, we went by a sign, girly is, "hey, would you like to take their beautification class ? matricula abierta!" and i'm like... "bitch, i probably know more than they do." it's fucking true. and the next item was "manipulacion de alimentos". there I DEFINITELY!!! know more than they do.
mircea_popescu: it's simple enough : no pula! and no mani! in the alimentos!
mircea_popescu: but i didn't know more than they do in ~any and all fields as a wee tyke in 92, now did i. in fact, that's pretty much how i found out.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : "don't put your hands or your dick in the food". because to people familiar with latin and its derivatives, "manipulacion de alimentos" sounds 100% like the wrong approach to handling food.)
mircea_popescu: hey, mr hui didn't do so well as an envoy to kishinev either.
mircea_popescu: i suppose he's the exact item that drove lenin up the wall and resulted in the eventual rape of the "kulak" : comfortable people will politely listen, perhaps, but why bother ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, did they ever sit down and write the "manual of use" or is their usage of "abuse" still just as spurious as it was when they started whining about it ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm none too interested in the specifics; i'm more interested in/amused by the long-predicted continually-lowering-bar-to-defrockment tearing the pantsuit organizations apart from the top.,
ben_vulpes: and lo, isn't it interesting that as the barrier for lordship goes up and the bar for defrocking goes down, the pantsuit imitate to their detriment while the republic purges dross?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: believable political careers take time to fabricate. schniederman mighta been a someone in some other context, but what's his replacement? another "first $minoritygroup to NYAG"? even diehard leftists are not so bullish on firsts after the first black man to run the show gleefully doubletapped weddings for his entire stay in the whitehouse.
ben_vulpes: where you bomb a wedding and then bomb it again when the women and children rush back in screaming to pull their husbands and sons from the carnage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but your mapping is incorrect. soviets had a lot of pre-existing fat to burn down in 1920s lulzfest. usg arguably had same in the 70s, when they started with "rights for wife in divorce and woman in workplace" nonsense. it's been half a century, there's nothing left to eat in the great empire of yore.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, oh oh. for a moment i thought big black man had as much dick as nero, went and fucked husband and wife for a wedding blessing.
mircea_popescu: all that remains is the "not rock boat" struggle so as china continues to drop the pellet in the beautiful ones' cage.
mircea_popescu: there aren't any scraps, the whole thing is under glass and someone drops glucose.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's very much not "first, we behead the owner, keep the young aspirant manager director / fucker of owner's daughter against owner's will ; THEN we behead him, once we've trained a working class successor ; THEN we behead successor, put in politruk" cycle of nazi (and then COPIED, lifted wholesale by soviets, like everything else).
mircea_popescu: it's a "i wonder which of these idle fucks would our overlords think is a best incarnation of their batshit notion of aryan".
mircea_popescu: that's why nyt jewry is so eager to "fight with russia", has no mention of china whatsoever. they figure that's what china'd like to see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, if you look at the history, the soviets were doing it ~after~ zee germans.
mircea_popescu: not much after. but the methodology is strictly fascist.
mircea_popescu: i r disagree. take the history of say... eh what the fuck is zee jewish german family with the radios ? i'm sure i put it in the logs, albert or albrecht or something
mircea_popescu: anyway, dramatized in "cabaret" (the thing with liza minelli in it, with the "tomorrow belongs to me" hurr)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of not-as-dumb-as-average jews, hermann fambly, owners of radio works in berlin, sold 1935 and split.
mircea_popescu: look it up, hermann aron fellow, was a sort of german heaviside
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, the soviets did a bunch of butchering, indiscriminate and nonsensical, 1916-1926 or so ; but under italian intellectual pressure the germans realised and structured the effort, and then the soviets copied in a year or two.
mircea_popescu: this isn't some kind of argument in the line of "russki orcs" ; in point of fact tanks led strategies were invented by russians ; but copied and employed at first by zee germans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, contention here is the structuring of activity as theoretically summarized, it's not driven by events but by the need to produce the structure trees needed by indefinitely scalalable summaries.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nah, see, the ~doctrine~ of tank-driven war was theoretically produced, as a necessary logical step, by russian staff, including a young zhukov. but the russian industry lacked the means to make the needed items.
mircea_popescu: the german -- didn't lack ; and in the upheaval, the political barriers to innovation turned out to be also weak. so they made.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine zhukov purging him, but then again my imagination isn't the arbiter of history.
mircea_popescu: also, though, not being purged isn't the end all be all summum bonum.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to not get purged by idiots, not to not get purged in general. zhukov thinks he can be a better stalin than stalin, what's stalin's objective incentive to get in the way ? fucking let him.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, what's wrong with you not knowing who they were.
mircea_popescu: ask god when your time comes, who they were. just as soon he's done with explaining turbulent flow he'll explain history to you, too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i tell you though, the sad situation where all that's left to gather around your piss-soaked body is beria, hruschev, malenkov etcetera...
mircea_popescu: the repository of collective knowledge, right ? uuga-booga.
mircea_popescu: anyway. would ~you~ want valy golubtsova's bf in the fucking room even ? fucktard was so stupid i have doubts he could even add on his own power.
mircea_popescu: in short -- stalin didn't have it so well, to the degree being purged is not directly nor obviously a worse fate.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding she has 100% of the cv bullet points that recommended HEROINE OF FEMINISM pantsuited hilarity for a run at the presidency.
mircea_popescu: (apparently some guy collected and translated to english the litany of yehzov confessions.)
mircea_popescu: "I term these sources "semi-official" since they are quoted unproblematically by all the anticommunist scholars. These scholars ignore them almost completely, and ignore their implications completely, but they do not consider the documents false."
mircea_popescu: turns out the learned distrust and ample spite for "scientists", "researchers", "academics" and other indistinct products of the bologna system is strictly universal.
BingoBoingo: Still alive, weather today is humid with a side of SMOG!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Went to the Department of Identity today. Stood in three seperate lines waiting to be called. The result was a piece of paper I have to bring back next week to actually get the cedula.
BingoBoingo: The operational aspect that burnedd an hour and a half was maliciously malcnstructed.
BingoBoingo: The last longest wait was 45 minutes, AFTER the photo et al. To get the come back next week paper.
BingoBoingo: And the air today has far too much humidity and not enough oxygen
BingoBoingo: I'd really like the chance to try a desert next if I survive this place.
BingoBoingo: Maybe next place doesn't need great fiber?
BingoBoingo: And to top it all off, as much as my walking speed has slowed today, THEY STILL WON'T STOP STOPPING
☟︎ ben_vulpes: gotta see into the future, know which will stop and not be behind them
BingoBoingo: Having places to walk to is fine. Having bipedal pollution constantly interupting the journey there...
mircea_popescu: "scholarship" in english, on any topics whatsoever, is a thin calico indeed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, "bologna system" because of the name of the cheap salami. seems perfectly adequate.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re confession, the "I think it essential that I inform the investigation of a series of new facts concerning my moral-personal dissoluteness. I mean my longtime vice of homosexuality." part is, at the very least, truthful as far as anyone knows (and corroborated, histortically)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 20:44 asciilifeform: what does BingoBoingo intend to do in the place without great fiber ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:22 mircea_popescu: show sorrentino how it's done.
BingoBoingo: Also think of all the confusion to result if the next BingoBoingo move ends up rolling Paraguay
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