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asciilifeform: but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:27 asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
asciilifeform: b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
mircea_popescu: this much is true.
asciilifeform: his orig place , as i understand, was as a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872422 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 15:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he used to be a kind of fixer, owned a town and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-28#1036383
mircea_popescu: yet conversely, he might actually be the imago of what later came to be "sluggish schizo". man went nuts in his middle age, or so they thought (or so i suspect they thought).
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible that he did; but in so far as i can tell 100% of that narrative comes from the folx that killed him & danced on the corpse
asciilifeform: ( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )
mircea_popescu: this will stand for later historians.
asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot' ☟︎
asciilifeform: !#s уймись, дурак
a111: 0 results for "уймись, дурак", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D1%83%D0%B9%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%2C%20%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: durak lol. not exactly idiot.
asciilifeform: not exact, no. but in the style of my http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100 translations.
asciilifeform: again -- impossible to authenticate 'did he ? or donation of constantine' w/out time machine.
asciilifeform: there are other bits an' pieces. for instance, diaries of serov ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672808 ) were found in 2000s . fwiw i read. the usual rotters all 'fecal consensus' that they are a forgery, but i'm actually sold ( not convinced that they were printed ~uncut~, sure , but that not outright fabrication -- convinced ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 22:19 asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
asciilifeform: serov describes the coup in some detail, in particular the times & places where various folx who would have gotten in the way, were neutralized
asciilifeform: also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, yet 3rd version is b's son's, who to his grave insisted that father was killed in his office, without surrendering , 'binladen-style' . )
asciilifeform: without time machine cannot say which ver. but overall picture invites itself inevitably , that what happened was exactly that the kakobreklas ganged up & killed their mircea_popescu , and put on his regalia.
asciilifeform: an' proceeded to tell themselves, and 'historians', all kindsa bedtime stories.
asciilifeform: !#s cocks and socks
a111: 1 result for "cocks and socks", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cocks%20and%20socks
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log. ☟︎
asciilifeform: hrusch & co, on contemplation, have all the credibility of 'woodcollector'.
asciilifeform: whereas their predecessors' results speak for themselves. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process). ☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though" ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:38 asciilifeform: the notion that sumbody might turn away from 'modernity' consciously, rather than because alzheimer patient, apparently is a bridge too far for some folx
asciilifeform: !#s plus constant
a111: 1 result for "plus constant", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=plus%20constant
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-06-23#98821 << ben_vulpes see also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-06-23 23:41 davout: so this guy goes into a restaurant
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877783 << ty ben_vulpes , lemme know if need data plz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 04:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: tyvm, will anotate and dispatch the transactions in a few hours. About to take a second walk tonight (cold wind == Indoor Uruguayos)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log. << You flipped the words
BingoBoingo: !#s socks and cocks
a111: 3 results for "socks and cocks", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks%20and%20cocks
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, i don't follow
ben_vulpes: and lol, save thanks for delivery, both of ye
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877784 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 04:10 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
asciilifeform: i.e. proverbial phd cabbie
ben_vulpes: aaah yes precisely. has an ee phd! from back when that meant something, even.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'ma guess, you found him in a gutter , clutching bottle of 'night train' ?
asciilifeform: or was it 'red southern rose', lol
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that would be some grade a arbitrage, if i could squeeze utility out of such
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877351 << i see what you mean. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:21 asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877376 << "you don't fuck with a man's automobile!!!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:31 asciilifeform: it's rather like molestation of cow in india
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877381 << fucktards do that in italy, too. will push the car round the fucking block during a few hours. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:33 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877390 << /me looks. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
mircea_popescu: turns out... 0 items needed my attention since your last comment, on the 28th. a bunch auto-marked though.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877727 << note for the record that the argument isn't whether he ate them or not. the argument is whether he had functional behaviours under his own control or not. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 23:41 asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
mircea_popescu: demented means something akin to "this computer is waltzing the ram", not something akin to "this computer is displaying stuff not within code of conduct".
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've seen p p pasolini's salo, but i always thought cataldi's role ("the bishop") was specifically patterned after beria.
mircea_popescu: so much so as to even inform the specific choice of casting.
mircea_popescu: (now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e. that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle or the bur ☟︎
mircea_popescu: eaucratic bonacelli are icons of mental dysfunction to a bosch-like level.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877780 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks+cocks obviously. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 00:31 asciilifeform: hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877782 << the risky part of "results speak for themselves" is that well... "clinton fixed the economy". cause and effect not always readily associable in complex systems. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 03:55 asciilifeform: whereas their predecessors' results speak for themselves.
mircea_popescu: "all the crab kings at the times of high tide were great crabs and great kings... whereas at low tide..." "dude, you live in a tidal ecosystem!" "wut ?"
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell ben_vulpes Here's the requested numbers, enjoy http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pfgtX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: poul anderson had a hilarious novella, 'brainwave', where people were quite like your crabs in that there turned out to be a 'stupidity field' surrounding our chunk of galaxy, which came and went. but i dun know of any real-life reason to introduce that hypothesis.
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, 'cyclical histories' where 'confederacy of dunces' gangs up and dethrones their betters, and then whole edifice turns to shit, from shit grows sumthing new, etc. -- this i can buy, we're quite evidently in the trough of that sinusoid just nao ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877819 << i saw the film and quite familiar with the 'mad beria' ~stereotype~. simply was not able to find any evidence for it that doesn't genesis-block in hrusch's show trial and Official 'unmasking' . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 08:53 mircea_popescu: (now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e. that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle or the bur
asciilifeform: ( didja know... he had a '#metoo'-style parade of chix, even, for the occasion, 'he raped! and i saw meat grinder! and he coprophagia'd!' etc. x9000 )
asciilifeform: orc political theatre has this quality, where they get carried away and lose all sight of plausibility / lifelike sin, and create a 'french, british, and japanese spy coprophagiac cannibal rapist' .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877821 << it apparently aint in the log, as such. but iirc there was some pantsuit reddit-wank campaign to try an' turn mircea_popescu into a sort of 'mad beria' in 'eye of history' or somesuch nonsense, that was supposed to pin on that phrase ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 09:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877780 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks+cocks obviously.
asciilifeform: stalin had an imho quite prophetic uttering, 'when i'm buried they will pile shit sky high on my grave, but wind of history will blow it away' .
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's dose of elaborate #metoo #thinker files, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x4Yp0/?raw=true ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: by now they're pretty entertaining, this last crop of femfricans.
BingoBoingo: "stop fucking up the weed industry" << LOL
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is agriculture an industry now ?
BingoBoingo: "you come from a culture of pigosadism" << This Pigosadism could be a fun word
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's an industry because monsanto
mircea_popescu: is this like that time kramer saved the half-man half-pig army mutant ?
BingoBoingo: Not sure yet, I gotta see where pigosadism fits
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking funny tho, utterly fucktarded pantsuit moron imagining "india" is a definite reference to something, "nation of africa" style, and then, if that weren't enough, adding "armenian" to it. because yes, totally, the armenians, those indian fucks.
mircea_popescu: semites are indo-european too!
BingoBoingo: HAHAHA, just got to the spik rant
BingoBoingo: "we had technologies and mathematics from higher beings" << LOL, We Waz Kangz!
BingoBoingo: Flying pyramids when?
BingoBoingo: But still the juxtaposition "its Mexicans people have the bad wrap that you deserve" to "Nooooo your costa rican so your a fucking spik. You Spaniard bred fucks."
lobbes: "Religions a lie, you are aliens stupidest, horniest creation" << lolwat
mircea_popescu: hey, it's what hilary teaches in dem "universities" now.
BingoBoingo: That plus a little bit Monsanto 710 (apparently 710 is replacing 420 among anglotards because instead of smoking week they vaporize Monsanto weed oils like crack)
BingoBoingo: Because this "dab rig" https://66.media.tumblr.com/0c9c3ca71d6f2a005914176d604762c9/tumblr_mxpxm2FwMg1qijtl7o1_400.gif totally isn't just a really smooth crack pipe
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere, and it ain't gonna be the you're/your distinction.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/french-anti-macron-protests-beginning-to-look-like-revolution/ << Qntra - French Anti-Macron Protests Beginning To Look Like Revolution
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo top keks.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Of course it comes with the realization that popular fever dreams aside, the US tards don't appear to be as capable as the French
asciilifeform: in misc lulz, i located an eng translation of bukovsky. historically i've avoided reading him, couldn't get past the fact that he not only ran off to 'anti-sov' for usg, but works there with gusto ~today~.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NvtlH/?raw=true << the imho somewhat interesting gibblet of his mega-b00k.
BingoBoingo: Sure, matter taken from black lives will occasionally burn a QuikTrip gas station in the heat of passion, but... the UStards just aren't social enough to organize on their own
asciilifeform: somehow reminds me of mircea_popescu's ancient experiment with 'political party'
mircea_popescu: "tired of living" is larger concept than commonly realised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy has a solid point, continuing with the "soviet republic is actual republic" notions became well impossible for thinking man in the 50s. the whole trotsky thing hadn't done it, but by the time of hungartian uprising...
asciilifeform: yes but linked for other point
asciilifeform: ( whole seg worth imho read )
mircea_popescu: this shit's long and in his usual annoying style.
mircea_popescu: what specifically ?
asciilifeform: the 'organization' lulz
asciilifeform: i cut it down as far as could be and still complete pic.
mircea_popescu: all the "we're project managers and this is our sikrit club" wank ?
mircea_popescu: it definitely sounds like the "neonazi" morons would have come up with, yes. bois with 0 life experience.
asciilifeform: or the oregon ranchers etc
asciilifeform: 'let's organize!'
mircea_popescu: what, you're totally going to "introduce leader to me and vanish", that's so utterly how i work.
mircea_popescu: whatever.
asciilifeform: a+ entomological slide tho.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they do this stupid woman thing. the only thing this "organization" is good for is to report which shop now has flour. or w/e, "unde s-o bagat lapte", where's the cheap kid shoes, stuff of this nature.
asciilifeform: it was good for 0, is what piece was about. wasn't even good enuff to get him collared, he had to make a new one for that.
mircea_popescu: peppered with the usual "elected impotence" bs. "make sure they have no criminal connections ?!" what the everloving fuck, no male's worth two bits if he doesn't at least KNOW the local boss wtf.
asciilifeform: ( later on d00d did , what, 20yrs in various dungeons, got all kindsa connection. )
mircea_popescu: it's basic shit test even fucking today in gringolandia. go up to girl in bar, "hey baby, wanna leave together ?" 80% or so odds she comes back with "can you get drugs" in some shape or form.
mircea_popescu: cuz wtf.
mircea_popescu: #1, enough gumption to go up to her and ask, distinguishes 9yo from 15 yo ; #2, criminal connections, distinguishes incel from bf.
mircea_popescu: jesus this is infuriatingly stupid.
asciilifeform: moar or less whole b00k was specifically re futility of 'rezistenta prin cultura' .
mircea_popescu: "Naturally he at once sounded you out about the possibilities, and you gravely and meaningfully gave him to understand that intelligent people didn’t discuss such nonsense; that the organization didn’t have any political aims. “Aha!” he would nod enthusiastically, hastening to make it clear that he too was an intelligent man and realized you couldn’t talk about such things aloud."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this supposed to be! the junior mint dating club ?
asciilifeform: hole without doughnut, iirc is the technical term.
mircea_popescu: "Afterward, at the next assembly, you had to recommend him and present him to the others under an assumed name. If no one objected, he became a member of the organization and joined in the common work." << how the fuck would anyone object ? THEY HAVE NFI WHO IT IS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this sounds like the kanzure klub.
asciilifeform: noshit
asciilifeform: i dun think i've ever encountered as pure a description of subj.
mircea_popescu: "He used to regard our conspiratorial fussing with the indulgent air of a grown dog watching puppies at play." << which is why they were looking for "bold" taciturns. "oh look, as close to adults without adults we can get!"
mircea_popescu: pshaw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll take your words, it's so pure it's giving me hives, ima stop before rage.
asciilifeform raged. hence prepared microscope slide with the thing in formaldehyde, for if anyone ever walks in bukovsky to link.. ☟︎
deedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/02/weekly-update-december-2nd-2018/ << PizarroISP - Weekly Update December 2nd 2018