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ascii_field: burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)
ascii_field: (most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes ☝︎
decimation: umm, where are amd netbooks?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik every attempt by intel to sell something other than x86 has tanked << I remember the netbook dying as soon as AMD had chips that could win this niche.
kakobrekla: 4770K, 32gig, amd r9 280x, a few ssds
ascii_field: i've seen systems like this, but, sadly, nothing with amd (nor do i expect to. they're 'frying pans.')
justJanne: mircea_popescu: they aren’t for sale yet, but if you want to get a taste, you can buy an AMD GPU
assbot: VOGONS • View topic - MY ROCKING AMD 486 - ??? MHZ SYSTEM VLB ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmxd2 )
asciilifeform: however, this means amd.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can only hope their AMD investment wasn't entirely about keeping AMD's silicon less backdoored or making it differently backdoored
assbot: The end of an era as Chinese company mulls plans for massive AMD investment | TechRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZbQ25 )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing-components/processors/the-end-of-an-era-as-chinese-company-mulls-plans-for-massive-amd-investment-1284519 << somehow i missed this one
mircea_popescu: i don't mean one that sucxks. i don't even mean one that doesn't suck. i mean one that's about (amd/intel in 1995)**3
asciilifeform: (the amd variant has vastly insufficient scope - and uptake - and so.)
asciilifeform: but no argument, amd is not long for this world
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> this is server high end stuff... a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything << afaik this is the -only- market they haven't entirely lost
BingoBoingo: AMD seems to be still doing ok on the server if you are going to shard the physical machine into a fuckton of vms
mircea_popescu: a battle amd has lost, incidentally. i don't even know if they have anything
decimation: asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "
ascii_field: but, for example, ebay may well become the only practical source for amd cpu where i live, once amd finally sinks
Adlai: ascii_field is just choosing to trust intel/amd/etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers
jurov: not yet found any with amd cpu
BingoBoingo: Things change when dealing with people who throw additional motors on a chassis more enthusiastically than AMD throws more core on a die
Citizenfive: ascii_lander: You aren't rocking an Intel or AMD cpu in your machine?
BingoBoingo: Graphics cards were never really "hacked for hashing" Bitcoin just came along on the exact time AMD graphics cards came into their own as massively parallel compute devices
assbot: AMD Goes Fabless - March 8, 2012 - Zacks.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CvY028 )
mats: i believe so. http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/71016/amd-goes-fabless
mats: TIL AMD now contracts out their fabs
gribble: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 | eBay: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/asus-m5a78l-m-usb3>; AMD X8 Core FX-8350 4.0Ghz & ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 ... - eBay: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-X8-Core-FX-8350-4-0Ghz-ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Board-CPU-Bundle-/150946558067>; ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 Socket AM3+ AMD mATX Motherboard - eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Socket-AM3-AMD-mATX- (1 more message)
assbot: AMD plugs firmware holes that allowed command injection • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1amB1jF )
punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/14/amd_plugs_chip_firmware_holes/
punkman: mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent
mircea_popescu: seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct.
ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models
punkman: AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though
ascii_field: http://danluu.com/cpu-backdoors << not the first time a usg shill spins amd's lack of encipherment or signature enforcement on microcode updates as a weakness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array.
KatelynTaylor: whats better AMD or Intel?
assbot: AMD Bulldozer Linux ASLR weakness: Reducing entropy by 87.5% ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6vG8d )
mats: http://hmarco.org/bugs/AMD-Bulldozer-linux-ASLR-weakness-reducing-mmaped-files-by-eight.html
assbot: HP XW9400 Workstation 8 Cores AMD Opteron 2 5GHz 8GB RAM FX1800 768MB Computer | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJIlXA )
pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HP-XW9400-Workstation-8-Cores-AMD-Opteron-2-5GHz-8GB-RAM-FX1800-768MB-Computer-/201226732787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eda0c44f3 << maybe 20 pogos worth of opteron here
pete_dushenski: ascii_field you and mp using amd, mac lusers never had this option
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: amd opterons, 'tyan' board circa '07
decimation: to be fair, I guess neither intel nor amd 'support' linux
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is not 'angelic', it is simply behind the usg schedule because, elementary, smaller market share
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is, recall, also american. but it does not have the history of outright warfare against its customers, or the surreptitious collaboration with microshit, that intel does.
trinque: asciilifeform: do you find AMD more trustworthy or is it a technical preference?
asciilifeform: jurov: but not so many for amd.
asciilifeform: there are how many manufacturers of amd boards with support for ecc ram? 2? 1?
mircea_popescu: amd hi all!
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> are you it's not just because athlon's were the cool thing to have back then? :P << I didn't know AMD existed until later... I am rather but not entirely sure I recall correctly
BingoBoingo: cazalla> <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? << My Beef was Intel imagineered this shit first
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd <<< and so i ask that whatever problems there are with intel, why is AMD not affected?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at that time trhat i moved to amd, and never bought intel again. the number thing played a part.
pete_dushenski: i can't imagine intel and amd are far behind such public ventures.
asciilifeform: pretty much whole amd product line works
assbot: Amazon.com: Compaq CQ57-439WM 16-Inch Presario Laptop PC (AMD Dual-Core E-300 Accelerated Processor and Windows 7 Home Premium): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/18abSHy )
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: The cheapo lenovos come with AMD
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pedestrian AMD powered laptop AMD E-350 CPU
Vexual: Perhaps politics amd sculldugerous corruption are inseprable
gabriel_laddel: as for the fight in our realm, I'd like to buy 10ks of AMD opterons K8 chips and reverse engineer them. Give designs to China.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you know of any information about AMD Opteron's k8 microcode or the chip in question? I found http://www.securiteam.com/securityreviews/5FP0M1PDFO.html but nothing else on the matter. Also, do you know of a better place to ask this question? I'm not a haxx0r.
asciilifeform: 'pc engines' (swiss) ships similar boards with modern amd (64-bit) cpu, rather than intel turds, for half the price.
asciilifeform: amd, freescale, fujitsu, etc.
assbot: Tiny Fanless Mini-PC Runs Linux Or Windows On Quad-core AMD SoC - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/155uK9k )
BingoBoingo: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/01/14/2028230/tiny-fanless-mini-pc-runs-linux-or-windows-on-quad-core-amd-soc
assbot: C3TV -AMD x86 SMU firmware analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCy1Ug )
punkman: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6103_-_en_-_saal_2_-_201412272145_-_amd_x86_smu_firmware_analysis_-_rudolf_marek.html
assbot: OpenSXCE 201**4**.05 LiveDVD for Intel/AMD IA32 and AMD64 plus for Sun/Oracle SPARC (from 1995' UltraSPARC_I till 2011' sun4v UltraSPARC T3) ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfnEZS )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am at this very moment running a 64 GB amd-a8 quad.
mats_cd03: not as long as people like poettering keep breathing amd contributing.
decimation: maybe intel or amd has an actual toolchain?
asciilifeform: ecc with amd cpu - almost impossible to obtain now. ecc on intel - on high-end 'xeon' boards.
jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny
decimation: yeah dell made amd servers for awhile
asciilifeform: amd dell?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the only remaining manufacturer of ecc-enabled amd (specifially) boards is 'tyan.'
asciilifeform: amazonfirehd << meow mix << amd celeron ?
asciilifeform: wait is this 'amd celeron' , 'miowmix', etc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amd hired away most of the original dec alpha team. but not all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the brain size is not necessarily a predictor of anything. my amd quad is smaller than an old pentium
asciilifeform: decimation: what you may not know is that intel sells this. and amd as well. for $maxint.
asciilifeform: you'll end up with a small underground city full of intel, amd, whatever boxen.
decimation: I mined with AMD/ATI gpu back in the day, I grew to hate AMD's driver releases that would ruin everything
BingoBoingo remembers fuckers Spz. AMD APU's would be the mining be all and end all and they don't even register seriously for the weird alt hash functions
decimation: AMD mainly sells usg anti-monopoly prosecution protection
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: amd does not sell compilers.
decimation: intel's ipp and compiler would 'detect' amd and disable its sse routines
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> amd - similar story << Fucked themselves for years by compiling their compilers with Intels
asciilifeform: amd - similar story
AMDCeleron: I choose AMD because i like amd better than INtel, yet i have celeron n2830 in my laptop
AMDCeleron: why do you care about what i think of AMD?
AMDCeleron: BingoBoingo, i dont know i have had an amd cpu in a year
AMDCeleron: like amd c-60?
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on the AMD low power chips?
AMDCeleron: i like AMD better than Intel yet i got a Celeron cpu in my laptop
AMDCeleron: a celeron processor made by amd