BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: noone for values such that of people who claim to have, finding actual readers is still a hard problem. Not an actual 0.
decimation: asciilifeform: that internet-wide scanner is neat
decimation: so I guess the democratic police in sydney nearly succeeded in saving all the hostages
cazalla: decimation, they saved themselves, nearly all escaped before the cops even went in
cazalla: if the law permitted us to carry weapons, would've ended much sooner as well
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cazalla: and it's that bullshit law which enables mohammed to hold down a chocolate shop for almost 24 hours.. the gov actually enabled him to do better than he could if the playing field was level
mircea_popescu: the world would be so much better if all the gmaxwells of this world were never taught to read.
mircea_popescu: there IS something wrong to treating packets like fucking popcorn.
mircea_popescu: not trivial to know where a packet enters tho. they do have to traverse it anyway
mircea_popescu: " IP addresses that were not assigned to the device which is sending them."
mircea_popescu: the solution is to not send 500 packets in response to one
mircea_popescu: and to not send packets to X that were asked for by Y.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile TO THIS DAY wordpress will go check 1.1.1.1 because 2.2.2.2 said so.
mircea_popescu: and in connectionless environments such as ntp or dns even, it would cost nothing to require 2 tits for every tat.
mircea_popescu: you want the time ? ask twice. the server answers each request pair once, in the order of descending delta intervals.
mircea_popescu: mullenweg and the core of imbeciles "working" at wordpress go around claiming they program computers
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 17:09:27; asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs
mircea_popescu: "lets make computers fun" ; "you know, for kids" and "anyone can do this". fuck that.
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 16:32:51; asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, computers were such that children could actually reason about them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the entire world made by derps unaware of game theory needs to be redone.
mircea_popescu: it's like a beautifully drawn mmorpg made by blizzard. you KNOW the economy will be broken to all shit.
mircea_popescu: every anything used in an amplification attack meets the criteria.
mircea_popescu: it was made by idiots who do not understand what trade even is.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of derps masterbate to the idea of tits without experiencing or understanding them
mircea_popescu: you always get less than what you put in. this is the chief principle that makes the world endure
mircea_popescu: in spite of endless generations of imbeciles running wild all over it.
mircea_popescu: you want n packets, you send at least n+1. you want n bits, you send at least n+1.
mircea_popescu: as long as friction is baked in, the ddos problem fundamentally doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: exactly for the reason you mention : who can afford or wants to give anyone free traffic ?
mircea_popescu: right, which goes through thermodynamic dissipation aka friction.
mircea_popescu: that is what im saying. to get a packet there, you need more than one
mircea_popescu: because teleport bits exists, putting undue down pressure on all prices.
mircea_popescu: it's a situation exactly identical to "pay for software" and software market in general.
mircea_popescu: they only get away with it because a flaw in the design.
mircea_popescu: that is the definition of design : rules independent of events.
mircea_popescu: in short, the more i think about it the more im inclined to rather see the telcos win the internet war, adn google lose it
mircea_popescu: if cardano wasn't so woefully delayed exploring this in practice'd be almost tempting.
mircea_popescu: make a whole new web, on a whole new port, based on pgp signs
mircea_popescu: turn off all other traffic, have servers in their own, better world.
mircea_popescu: and absolutely NEVER allow any derps on it. stick to the original plan with the original internet, no fucking undergrads.
mircea_popescu: once you get the proper voice model implemented, forgeddaboutit
mircea_popescu: and a shitty version, beyond primitive, yet it still worked.
mircea_popescu: the extreme power of this idea is evidenced by how effectual it is even when poorly implemented.
mircea_popescu: exactly like gunpowder is impressive even without a fine 1850 hovitzer
mircea_popescu: aside of which, friday some derp was going on about what "his life is dedicated to" and in the crowd hysteria i told em my life is dedicated to excluding people.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that david mackay book I recommended? He has a chapter on fountain codes
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies << This is how Qntra's taking over reddit.
decimation: he also wrote a book on renewable resources from Herr McCarthy's point of view
decimation: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense"
decimation: re: ntp amplification << the thing is, ntp tends to run on actual servers people might care about, so they might respond to notices
decimation: I've actually spent some time reading the ntp source code
decimation: I managed to get that pci card with the onboard ocxo working with a slightly custom ntp driver
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the important part isn't even trhere, the important part is that the machine WONT ROUTE
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how many more bytes would GPG sig add to packet? (i assume binary signatures?)
mircea_popescu: and i'd kinda like to see this implemented right by sane people this decader
mircea_popescu: because the telcos WILL do a mickey mouse or should i say microsoft version of it
decimation: asciilifeform: why bother with the emphemeral key? wouldn't a signed blob (however you do the error coding) be good enough?
decimation: well, I guess if you didn't have it, you would have to store all of the irrelvant derpage until you could check it
mircea_popescu: isn't fixed sig + nonce equivalent to ephemereal sig ?
decimation: well, it need not be a per-session ephemeral key in that case
decimation: absolutely. mr. yarvin linked to a vint cerf lecture where herr cerf was talking about global persistant namespaces
decimation: wasn't kakobrekla explaining about the saturated nature of the torrent 'clouds'?
decimation: actually vint has much to answer for, because of tcp. TCP was a step backwards in networking
decimation: most of the modems that are now in use on shortwave are designed to turn the natural broadcast medium into a point-to-point link
decimation: which is a fantastic waste if you think about it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What was your earlier maybe project that got supplanted, the resistor?
mircea_popescu: if you think about it sculpture is also fantastic waste of marble
mircea_popescu: equalitarianism is a pipe dream, whether it calls itself democracy, socialism or anything else. hierarchy is both good and indispensable. this is factually correct, which means it's practically falsifiable and scientifically approacheable.
BingoBoingo: At the time Artillery was cooler than fighter Jets ever were, or John McCain's shit eating grin would be on signs as far south as Rio
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PeterL: At my alma mater, the school president tells students to grow up, lets the guy speak anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kind of "conservative" writer. Also writes about baseball.
mircea_popescu: That was the end of the story—until last week, when The College Fix reported that Mahmood's off-campus apartment was vandalized. The four criminals wore hoods and baggy clothing to disguise themselves; less brilliantly, they changed in full view of the apartment complex's security camera. They appear to be women of unclear ages. The video footage is available here.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck else imagines "nobody likes you" is a valid attack lmao
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to admire the stunningly poor opsec.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: apparently he said something about rape which people did not like
mircea_popescu: "Remember: anything a prog/leftist/SJW accuses others of doing, they always are guilty of themselves. Always. And that's why they can't see the contradiction here. Because the projection is a defense mechanism. They can't see the contradiction without realizing some very nasty truths about themselves."
PeterL: Reason does have some good commentors, they would fit in well here
ben_vulpes: they have their hole, and it's the best, goddamit
mircea_popescu: you know what i'd really go for ? happy thursdays or something, wherein participating bars/coffee shops all over the world give free drinks to people in the b-a wot.
PeterL: I think I might have been linked to bitcoin by Reason, back in 2011
mircea_popescu: they can have wireless and we can all be like little fonzies.
mircea_popescu: does anyone want to actually administer this project ?
decimation: the women donning disguises in front of the security camera is hilarious
mircea_popescu: decimation basically, in the 90s the typical aimless, 30something undergrad was perfectly typified by tom green in roadtrip
mircea_popescu: 20 years later, it's a very fat, but in denial about it, very socially inept, but also in denial about it, 30something yo female.
decimation: most 'life-long students' I have met were women
decimation: did we link to the greenpeace idiots in peru?
decimation: it's pretty much the same deal as your idiot-'academic'-woman stereotype
decimation: they went to put a sign on the ground near ancient drawings in a desert, to protest the desecration of climate change, and they descrated the lines in the process
decimation: peru is going to throw the idiots in peruvian jail
mircea_popescu: they tried and therefore no one should criticize them.
decimation: that was pretty much their original 'apology' and peru said 'fuck you'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my first stint as a Teaching Assistant I had Late 40's grad students. Retired military or house wives getting almost always already employed by the university looking for their second or third career
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> next they'll smash something notable on purpose. << Locally "preservation Engineers" have done exactly this with "Monks Mound" Thing is just a pile of dirt long lived with stable shape. Engineers come in and in their interventions invent "slumping" A scourge the caused and insist only they can solve for the grant dollars.
decimation: basically the lines are drawn in the black crusted desert, with white sand underneath
decimation: they have been there more-or-less unmolested for 1000 years
decimation: asciilifeform: but some of them might have been making an idiotic political statement!
decimation: asciilifeform: or revive east germany's experiments with automated gunfire
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pyramid stone at least had value in being convenient cut rock. This is literally a dirt pile only being molest because of grants by engineers that can't arithmatic.
empyex: mats: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: mats: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (112 milliseconds), mpex.ws (119 milliseconds), mpex.co (123 milliseconds), mpex.bz (132 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (462 milliseconds)
empyex: mats: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: √
mats: that's a god damn lie
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "changing" << scam! i saw no nudity.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not complain about things you should be thankful for.
ben_vulpes: i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by 'border fence' with mexico
decimation: I think mr. mold made this point - once you have laid the minefield, it's an easy step to the laser-turrets
decimation: except minefields don't work well on rocky ledges
mircea_popescu: actually alf has a point. the mine is merely the successor of the caltrop
mircea_popescu: definitely the oldest weapon, definitely the most cost effective.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If we were doing turrets, why laser and not rail?
PeterL: motion triggered nuke?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm just saying if we're shooting... projectiles with immediate injury. Dun want to get owned by a brave idiot wearing tin foil
mats: Chinese did it just fine. muskets though.
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCALL ticker | Best bid: 38418.016095, Best ask: 38454.067135, Bid-ask spread: 36.05104, Last trade: 38454.067135, 24 hour volume: 9730.55800460, 24 hour low: 38340.28104, 24 hour high: 39992.995905, 24 hour vwap: 39354.7220805
decimation: yeah 'auto-artillery' would be most cost effective
decimation: hell, one could combine mines and artillery with cluster bombs
decimation: actually that would be particularly devious - a shell that one could hear being dropped, which would scatter mines everywhere - arming after a few seconds of settling
mats: ;;ticker --currency RUB
gribble: Bitstamp BTCRUB ticker | Best bid: 22345.9184, Best ask: 22380.637375, Bid-ask spread: 34.71897, Last trade: 22379.9823, 24 hour volume: 9755.85037265, 24 hour low: 22293.5124, 24 hour high: 23254.507425, 24 hour vwap: 22881.8278929
BingoBoingo: And Bitcoin climbs, the dollars simply does not yet know!
decimation: this reminds me of B grade scifi movie - Screamers - based on a phillip k dick story
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
decimation: mats: that is neat, I didn't know gribble could do that
undata: you know technically one can climb in either direction
mats: nobody in b-a did, i looked in logs before attempting
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency RUB --last]
decimation: ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency EUR --last]
decimation: so many weird linkages with oil, stocks, etc
mats: gribble is a cool dude
mats: >Russia will write off $865 million of Uzbekistan’s debt leaving a balance of $25 million to repay to Moscow
cazalla: mats, he doesn't afraid of anyone eh
mats: #econometrics, actually interesting when moriarty isn't around
decimation: what was his scam? I recall he claimed that he had 'made it big' on early bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Lemme dig up the latest buttcointalk drama on the moriarity scammer
mats: his followers claim he is not the same as the bitcointalk scammer
mircea_popescu: decimation was linked here few days ago, some "mixer" thing stole however many btcs
BingoBoingo: mats: And Bill Cosby claimed he was a clean cut saint who wasn't in it for the pussy.
mats: the guy talks a lot without much substance and im not inclined to believe his claims at any rate
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude i so don't believe the recent cosby dirt...
mats: hes so fatherly n could never be a predator?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were parts where maybe I believe, but yeah the string of inconsistent broke people kinda kills the thing as a movement.
decimation: this ledgerX thing is amusing. bezzle's gotta bezzle
BingoBoingo: mats: So apparently I am banned from that channel
mats: i learned today naive cold boot attacks are actually pretty unlikely to work, due to modern memory controllers causing a lot of data to appear to be garbage
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals
☟︎ mats: BingoBoingo: bummer. its been p quiet, those links were the most interesting things in two days
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah how the hell are they going to settle their 'physical' bitcoin swaps?
BingoBoingo: mats: Well I called him a spammer when he wouldn't stop PM spamming.
BingoBoingo: Basically they want to run a USD to USD dice game
BingoBoingo: This ^ Kit is cheaper than a typical 'netbook'
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ben_vulpes: i'm at a loss where to go with provisioning, deployments and cluster mutatino
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i run (small) clusters for clients.
ben_vulpes: i wrote a thing that handles turning standard piles of software into running software on ec2 with docker for environment isolation
ben_vulpes: but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash.
ben_vulpes: it's *great* at immutable infrastructure. you know - "don't mutate, just stand up a new cluster"
ben_vulpes: python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf)
ben_vulpes: bash is inadequately expressive/debuggable
decimation: nah, python3 is dead, python2 is what everyone uses
ben_vulpes: decimation: concurrency semantics in py* are finger-crushingly bad.
ben_vulpes: i've only been doing this for like 3 years now and i've already learned that languages are a red herring.
ben_vulpes: the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation.
ben_vulpes: clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd.
ben_vulpes: yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing
ben_vulpes: i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing
ben_vulpes: decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"?
decimation: yeah I think they were mostly a python shop
BingoBoingo: Python also benefitted from Math departments that thought "R" was bad branding for a language
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been trying to get my mechanical engineering student brother on the LISP train (dentist brother needs no guidance) and I'm giving my paper copy of land of LISP to degernerate cousin's kids. God bless warez.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Tits are real. Just wait until mircea_popescu replaces flouride in the water with risperidone
Vexual: as long as it doesn't go into the whiskey
Vexual: mircea_popescu: move on to perl ? < bring me a straw
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Vexual: have cpan mirror, will tarvel
Vexual: mp: i'd love to run your free drinks, but i see a conflict of interests
Vexual: also theres not many people you'd like down at the local pig and sty
Vexual: what about a thursday freeroll on seals?
Vexual: fluffy, you're awesome
Vexual: heck, i'll even chip in for the prize
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Naphex: he is going full circle.. getting to -10
Naphex: BingoBoingo: maybe after, at the moment i'm still taking in the threats, black mails
Naphex: but its a damn very interesint life lesson
Naphex: only takes a prick to burst a bubble
BingoBoingo: Nah, a prick just turns your sister into a stranger's wife. This sounds worse than a prick.
Vexual: nope, if the debian snu comp is an ascii style quiz, then i fail
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, jsut compare the hardware specs on the test rigs. Notice anything that doesn't match?
BingoBoingo: Well, are the processors and storage devices the same?
Vexual: well storage is different, but i don't know the descriptors, so i cant say how
BingoBoingo: Well Note that Debian/kFreeBSD's one truly poor area of performance is Disk operations and their disk ran off of an external enclosure while the Debian/linux SSD ran off of... Sata
Vexual: yeah im no ttoo sure what that means... theres another level to the disk operations?
BingoBoingo: That benchmark was done by the phoronix guy who has pretty much been full Pettering since the pulse audio suck
BingoBoingo: Drink more, let the groundhog lead you to the truth
Vexual: is it careful about how fast the ssd dies?
Vexual: i can't read italian: ill just have the spaghetti
Vexual: it'd very like italian
fluffypony: romance languages all come from Italian
Vexual: alll my favourite bakers pretend to be italian
mircea_popescu: romanian is so vulgar it turns a prick into a sister's wife.
Vexual: depends where you get it from
Vexual: dealing with red vinegar
Vexual: id say it's very much interchzangeable
Vexual: whats the dollar rate on the street now?
Vexual: and whyz it called blue? is it porno, or people just dont like grey?
Vexual: it's a bit porno isnt it?
Vexual: i forgot to tell him where to trade coin
fluffypony: he changed his nick to peter_abraham_ezekial_dushenkovski
Vexual: yeah, i can't spell it
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cazalla: looks like Luke-Jr upset the redditors
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cazalla: front page of /r/bitcoin jurov
assbot: Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time : Bitcoin ... (
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cazalla: hosting an early xmas luncheon tmw, my contribution is the best potato salad in ze world, beetroot relish to go with cheeses and rocket dip, the rocket i grow myself
cazalla: of course, i am getting stuck into tmw's booze, tonight
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davout: cazalla: you see a potato salad, i see a potential IPO
cazalla: i was gonna open a chicken shop ya know
cazalla: bbq chicken, burgers, salads.. no-one will pay for quality, or not enough people to warrant it and the long hours
davout: slaughtered on order? i'd hit that
cazalla: davout, no demand for rabbit burger
assbot: MagicalBux comments on Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time ... (
http://bit.ly/1zlM1qs )
cazalla: as for chicken shops.. you cannot find a single legitimate charchoal chicken shop anywhere here these days
cazalla: they have all converted to infrared ovens yet persist with advertising themselves as charcoal chicken
cazalla: few ok lebanese chicken shops around but eh.. fkn muslims
mats: why the islamophobia
cazalla: big thing here atm is for leftists to tweet #illridewithyou to show support for muslims in australia on public transport
cazalla: any woman wearing a hajib who is scared for her life can find someone tweeting that to ride on the train safely with, that's the idea anyway
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thestringpuller: cazalla: Luke-Jr strikes again! The power rangers have to burn cash to survive it seems.
mats: i wonder what its like for Luke-Jr to be opposed so strongly by people that share similar political beliefs
mats: anarchist types are rare enough, and this overlap with people that understand the technical aspects of bitcoin are even fewer
thestringpuller: this is where Luke-Jr looks at his logs and says, "You know I can hear what you're saying"
mats: bend the knee already. you know you're wrong.
mats: maybe its more insidious than we know, what if he was caught selling methamphetamine on the side when he was broke and is now enslaved by an agent?
mats: perhaps i'm giving him too much credit but i get the impression he's an intelligent guy and knows hes doing dumb shit
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mats: i am of course talking about #b-a's opposition to him, not wutever redditards
thestringpuller: Perhaps this can be said of Gavin, hence tell tale signs of his comromisation.
thestringpuller: the other power rangers I do not know. But jgarzik definitely publicly stated he'd like to see a GPG-like implementation in pure JS, which is mind boggling for a supposed intelligent person to say.
mats: are you in the bay now thestringpuller? i read something about vmware earlier
davout: thestringpuller: there's nothing wrong in itself with js, its using it in a browser that sounds a bit weird
thestringpuller: do you really trust Chrome or Firefox to store your MPEx GPG key?
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jurov amusingly notices the hate on python and waits for google to eventually, but inevitably release incompatible go update
BingoBoingo: Symbolics LISP is an incompatible upate from Brick LISP
BingoBoingo: Sure. Baudot predated ansi text standards too.
BingoBoingo: If only Xerox had enough crazy to venture beyond the paper business with any conviction.
BingoBoingo: Well many small towns maintain libraries gifted in another act of monopolist largesse, but similarly the handling of those gifts has decayed in a cargo-cult manner.
BingoBoingo: They have, but even before then were decaying as books were replaced by crappy fascimiles of books.
BingoBoingo: Not Xerox copies, but bad faith imitators of the book form.
BingoBoingo: Xerox copies of worn actual books would have been fine. Many "special collections" departments do that for actual papers of interest.
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BingoBoingo: It's hard to think much of a library that would have as part of its collection and the like ISBN-13: 978-0672313004
BingoBoingo: Handle Turd studio X15, Chapter 9, Turdthenware
assbot: Logged on 13-12-2014 22:32:17; asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money
BingoBoingo: It might be time to audit the art classes.
BingoBoingo was suspecting more along the lines of metalworking.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Many actually have a perverted version. Lives in Art department.
BingoBoingo: Focus on 18th century state of the art casting and blacksmithing
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BingoBoingo: There's got to be single credit hour courses somewhere to audit.
mats: aren't there handheld scanners that'd resolve this for you?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The probably do get some. Just not for the subjects that interest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even in the medical and law libraries?
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
BingoBoingo: Ah, firewire. Another example of a toy standard accidentaly'ing its way to "professional" standard.
mats: mindshare has other cool things about AGP, PCI, PCIe, USB, SATA, ...
mats: i tried to find docs on Thunderbolt on the internets but after comparing notes with other people, they're still under NDA
thestringpuller: i thought it was neat that it's essentially an external PCIe slot
thestringpuller: waiting for the day they start selling external gpu's for laptops
mats: the thoroughput is amazing
mats: iirc you can push to two 5k displays
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4000 @ 0.0012 = 4.8 BTC
BingoBoingo: Alright, time to generate some serious logs!
BingoBoingo: I thought he had to chase all of those topless servers yesterday
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danielpbarron: 11:27 <+thestringpuller> danielpbarron didn't realize you were based in CT. << where you at?
BingoBoingo: Appear qntra has the English language scoop
assbot: In any disagreement between reality and belief, reality always wins.
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thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i was born in hartford, so it's always gonna be "home" to me on some level.
danielpbarron: I was born in New Haven, grew up in Deep River and Westbrook
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Luke-Jr: mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: You are a needle inside of a haystack, inside of another haystack full of needles
jurov: Luke-Jr: i really don't know how many people think maintaining blacklists like you do is a good idea
Luke-Jr: heck, even I wish there was a better solution
BingoBoingo: When Dogecoin a thing, pointing idiots in that direction was a great solution.
mats: there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution to something that doesn't exist and doesn't matter
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1zt6nge )
Luke-Jr: mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no problem, doesn't help anyone
danielpbarron: "does transaction have fee attached?" "yes." "so ok then, it isn't spam." "no, it's still spam."
Luke-Jr: that non-argument is getting old
mats: explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain'
Luke-Jr: mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?
Luke-Jr: so that's a lot of people who no longer run a full bitcoin node
Luke-Jr: until only big banks can run Bitcoin
mike_c: if 30gb is a blocker how long would they have run a node anyway?
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr, so? as long as my bank lets me authorize account actions via GPG, sounds good
mats: whats the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD?
Luke-Jr: yes, let's pretend storage is the bottleneck so we can make it seem trivial.
mats: this is not a problem, and won't be a problem for as long as the block size remains the same.
Luke-Jr: sit in #bitcoin for a few days
mats: storage isn't the bottleneck, and it isn't the concern that's keeping anyone from operating a full node
Luke-Jr: and watch how many people give up on running a Bitcoin node because it takes so long to sync initially
mats: the concerns of idiots are not the concerns of people whose opinions matter
danielpbarron: isn't the bottle neck the block size? and isn't it a good thing that such a thing is limited and therefor has value
mats: if something as inconsequential as time to sync keeps people from operating a full node
mats: wait til they realize how annoying it is to maintain the node for years
mats: you'd do better to work on something that matters, like incentives to operate a node
danielpbarron: incentives for nodes don't have to be written into the code
jurov: i'm running bitcoind fine on $100 minitx mobo with spinning rust hdd.. and it sems to have enough capacity for next 5 years
jurov: but Luke-Jr insists on pretending there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip
jurov: i really don't get the whining
jurov: "it doesn't fit in my free vps anymore bleeeee".. stfu freeloaders
mats: well there you have it.
Luke-Jr: it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod
Luke-Jr: frankly, even if it did, I shouldn't be forced to process spam
mats: ill add this to the list of irrational things you believe in
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr's thing is kinda like the real bitcoin foundation's thing, in that they are both attempts to make a more sane node (from the point of view of the author)
danielpbarron: except Luke-Jr is going about it in the wrong channels (any channel that isn't -assets), but that's probably because there isn't much sympathy for "it isn't fair i'm being forced bla bla bla" in here
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ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: bitcoin on your phone? that's phenomenally retarded.
Luke-Jr: which is exactly why it's a good fit for this channel
fluffypony: can't help you if you're poor, although there's always SPV clients for people like you
mats: there are 128gb sd cards, in the interest of humoring this discussion
fluffypony: yeah, and I have a bunch of 64gb microSD cards
mats: but yes. be less poor.
ben_vulpes: how exactly do these blacklists work? if a miner processes a transaction with a "banned" address - what then?
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in the spam
Luke-Jr: if a miner mines it, you have to validate it obviously
danielpbarron: no sane node will reject a block that the rest of the network thinks is valid, so this blacklist thing is more of a waving of hands that amounts to nothing
ben_vulpes: "it's too hard to do things correctly, so i'm just going to ram my idiocy into the codebase"
Luke-Jr: you'll note I never proposed it for mainline
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: less efficient because suddenly you have to parse it out and such
Luke-Jr: I guess you could build the array at startup, but it's not really much easier to modify bitcoin.conf than to modify the patch
Luke-Jr: keep in mind Gentoo users are compiling it anyway
Luke-Jr: so they can just modify the patch and drop it in /etc
Luke-Jr: if they want to customise it
ben_vulpes: "it's easier to hard code configuration into the source than read it as configuration at runtime"
ben_vulpes: this attitude has lead to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into the mainline client.
Luke-Jr: out of curiousity, what is "lock configuration"?
danielpbarron: this "spam on the blockchain" is only a thing because blocks go unfilled for the most part
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years time he's going to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so that the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.
fluffypony: maybe just randomly culling old blocks will be something he'll innovate
undata: why does bitcoin have to be on his smartwatch
fluffypony: undata: to quote the man of the hour - "[21:40:47] <+Luke-Jr>it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod"
undata: personally there's not a smart-watch manufacturer out there whose OS security I'd trust with my coin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: and how do you get by thinking I have anything to do with that?
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ben_vulpes: 148e107d src/db.cpp (Luke Dashjr 2012-05-22 19:51:13 +0000 125) dbenv.set_lk_max_locks(10000);
undata: ;;rate -1 Luke-Jr hardcoding config, that's a paddlin
gribble: Error: 'Luke-Jr' is not a valid integer.
undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -1 hardcoding config, that's a paddlin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Luke-Jr has been recorded.
davout: lol Luke-Jr how are you? and what are you doing here?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell kakobrekla i think there's a typo in the topic of #bitcoin-assets-trades, unless "exchages" is an inside joke to which i'm not privy
Luke-Jr: davout: observing trolls, it seems
davout: by "trolls" you mean "heretics" ?
Luke-Jr: davout: no, they aren't even heretics
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 19:04:39; Luke-Jr: mats: I don't know how many people here actually have similar political positions as me.. probably few?
danielpbarron: I know he's pro gun / seen him get banned from -otc for that
Luke-Jr: Adlai: I favour absolute monarchy and small government.
Adlai: how do you choose monarchs?
Adlai: plural, because they will likely get assasinated, by disgruntled humans or ebola
Luke-Jr: Adlai: bootstrapping is a serious problem, I don't know how you'd come up with a reasonable "first monarch" especially today
Luke-Jr: Adlai: once it's going, though, the current monarch should be qualified to pick/raise his successor
undata: this reasoning by metaphor thing "it's spam! why? uh... because I don't want it!" is idiotic
Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor? how can they tell whether their trusted advisor is more worthy than their firstborn, or sift through private sector candidates?
undata: and it's an excuse to create some central maintainer of blacklists
Adlai: let's leave blacklists out of the discussion, there's enough room for that on reddit
Luke-Jr: undata: attack straw-men all you like
undata: Luke-Jr: it subverts the very *idea* of bitcoin.
Luke-Jr: Adlai: it's not a matter of worthiness, it's a matter of competence.
Luke-Jr: undata: not in the slightest.
Luke-Jr: undata: but I guess you might think so, if you believe the trolls claims
undata: ;;rate Luke-Jr -3 cannot discern dissent from trolling
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Luke-Jr has changed from -1 to -3.
Luke-Jr: misrepresenting the truth (aka lying) is a tell-tale sign of trolling
Adlai: Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent, and find a better replacement?
Adlai is genuinely curious and has very few opinions on the matter
Luke-Jr: Adlai: in the rare case of a bad monarch, the pope can depose him
Adlai: it's quite interesting to watch people choose leaders
Adlai: well, the pope seems a bit busy these days to be dealing with monarchs
Adlai: although I must say that his PR people are doing an excellent job
undata: and if the pope is bad, the meta-pope will depose him
undata: god help us if we need a meta-meta-pope though.
Luke-Jr: Adlai: there hasn't been a pope in 60 years, don't let the fraud controlling the Vatican deceive you
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Adlai doesn't follow papal news well enough to discernr
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Adlai: I'm just curious at what point one person decides that the mere word of another person is gospel
danielpbarron: Luke-Jr, does that mean all the people attending catholic churches today are on their way to hell for following a false christ?
Adlai: I'm not sure you get punished for having been deceived
Adlai: assuming that, had the deception not occurred, you'd have bene OK
Adlai: so a sufficiently effective deception can cause a perfectly "good" person to get punished?
Luke-Jr: undata: if the pope is bad at the same time as a monarch goes bad, God help us
undata: Luke-Jr: *guillotines help us
Adlai: and if God is bad too, let's just hope satoshi returns
Adlai hasn't discussed theology in a long time, and it's usually with jews
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no Catholic churches today follow the antipopes; those who do follow the antipopes and attend his churches are at risk of being damned, yes (though as Adlai infers, their culpability depends)
Adlai: last time I met a christian irl was almost 6 years ago
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: Christians have a responsibility to learn the Faith, and are guilty if deceived by their own neglegence
davout: Luke-Jr: what's a "real" pope?
Adlai: how do you distinguish between a real pope and a fraud?
Adlai: maybe the vatican has been a fraud for more than 60 years
Luke-Jr: davout: one who is Catholic and properly elected
Luke-Jr: Adlai: well, you know someone ineligible cannot be a pope, at least
Adlai: have you personally verified the burned ballots of each cardinal?
Adlai is not well-versed in the eligibility of the last few [anti]popes
Luke-Jr: Adlai: the become pope, one must first be a Catholic; the antipopes in Rome aren't Catholic
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr i think you need to shut the fuck up about this god delusion you keep having
Adlai thinks people who think they aren't deluded need to be a bit more diplomatic about their opinions
Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you?
undata: one isn't called to entertain every form of idiocy on equal terms
davout: Luke-Jr: how is the current "anti-pope" not catholic?
kakobrekla: Adlai and be more political and more pretending too
Luke-Jr: Vexual: all heretical antipopes "annoy" me
Luke-Jr: davout: he denies Catholicism
davout: Luke-Jr: at what point does your interpretation of catholicism differ from his?
danielpbarron: what hapens if a pope and an antipope come in contact with each other?
Adlai: kakobrekla: i don't think i've been politically correct or pretending. in case there's any doubt, i also think that there's some level of delusion involved... but i also value conversation over insult
kakobrekla: Adlai you cant converse about nontopic
Adlai: oh it got danielpbarron
davout: Adlai: that was the point actually
Luke-Jr: (using that heresy, they then proceed to deny other doctrines easily)
BingoBoingo: Come on Guys, there hasn't been a Pope since Brutus stabbed Kaiser
Adlai: there hasn't been rock since jesus built his church on it
Vexual: Pretty clothes and incence, yep, it's catholic
Adlai: but at the end of the day, we are just humans interpreting the words of other humans
jborkl: Luke, how do you understand math and science, yet still hold onto these beliefs? I really do not understand how that happens
Adlai: some of those are written, some of those were made up yesterday; but the situation is still the same
Luke-Jr: jborkl: science led me to these beliefs
kakobrekla: jborkl lack of oxygen in the first couple of minutes of birth does that.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, my missus makes things like that
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Probably because they are delicious
adlai: Luke-Jr: my issue with anti-modernism is that we only really know what's modern. anybody who tells you that something isn't modern, and is the original doctrine, could just have made that up yesterday (or N years ago), and been fooling everybody ever since
Luke-Jr: adlai: modernism does not mean "modern"
Luke-Jr: adlai: Catholicism has always made a big deal of any attempts to change doctrine; one couldn't do that unnoticed
adlai: so, you're trusting the people involved in catholicism AT EVERY POINT IN TIME to not have changed it
Luke-Jr: anyhow, the modernist antipopes can be cited as using the heresy modernism to justify their other heresies
adlai: who knows wtf happened in the 13th century during a famine
Luke-Jr: adlai: none could have changed it, that's my point
Luke-Jr: adlai: you're also ignoring divine providence - God wouldn't allow any such an attempt to succeed
BingoBoingo: Anyways the legit Catholic Church historically is the Cyproit church.
Luke-Jr: adlai: (and if you assume God is fake, then there's no basis for caring about Catholicism, so that's not really an argument)
adlai: why wouldn't he, as a test, to guage how many people are suckers, and will believe what people say from under a fancy hat or behind a pulpit?
adlai has no assumptions about God, maybe we should define that concept first...
Luke-Jr: adlai: God has many times allowed heretics to gain power - but He promised that His Church would prevail
Luke-Jr: adlai: during the Arian crisis, there was only a few bishops who remained Catholic
Luke-Jr: yet in the end, the Church survived
fluffypony: [22:59:44] <+Adlai>Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch <- well humanity sure as fuck didn't choose Luke-Jr to be the Bitcoin monarch.
Luke-Jr: fluffypony: nor did I ever claim to be one
Luke-Jr ponders if he can continue this from the car
diametric: so first, as a former gentoo dev, Luke-Jr go fuck yourself.
adlai: that can probably be continued from the car
adlai: Luke-Jr: i'm interested to hear how "science led me to these beliefs"
Luke-Jr wonders what kind of former Gentoo dev hates USE flags
adlai: probably the kind that doesn't like when patch names aren't consistent across package versions :)
Luke-Jr: adlai: basically I easily refuted many false religions, then found I couldn't do the same for Catholicism
Luke-Jr: definitely can't do that justice, much less from the car, though LOL
BingoBoingo: Science lead dank to living out of a storage unit...
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: except in this case, it's actually a good thing and not cyanide, and you get a clear warning before you install it
Luke-Jr: the only reason a rational person would disable it, is if they wanted to harm Bitcoin.
adlai: Luke-Jr: the names of use flags. the latest hubbub seems to be people complaining about the change from "ljr" to "extra"
Luke-Jr: adlai: I changed it back, since there does seem to be preference for "ljr" now and the reason makes sense.
adlai: (in addition to all of the last hubbub)
Luke-Jr: adlai: I had only changed it to "extras" on request from someone in the previous thread
danielpbarron: "this transaction is spam because it isn't associated with a USG approved ID and taxed accordingly"
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: I said nothing of the sort.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no, just stamping out your strawman
fluffypony: Catholicism is a snare and a racket. If you're going to have belief in a higher power, at least choose a religion that isn't controlled by a central body with billions of USD at stake.
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: your argument is like saying "cyanide is bad, so I shouldn't consume vegetables"
adlai: it's funny how quickly people assume that all foes are agents of one arch-nemesis, when really just... shit happens. nature is not your friend. etc
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: no idea, maybe impossible then
adlai: fluffypony: well, Luke-Jr just said recently that the [current] vatican is no longer an authority on catholicism
fluffypony: adlai: hate the player not the game, and all that
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: why? as long as it's easy to filter spam, might as well
adlai: fluffypony: hate leads to the usg side of the force. just play, have fun, go home, hope you don't get mugged on the way.
fluffypony: it must suck to be universally accepted as mind-numbingly stupid and yet not have the intelligence to be introspective enough to see it within yourself and change for the better
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adlai wonders whether it's helpful to look at the potential attacks on bitcoin as spam to be censored... or as a challenge to be accepted
adlai: ie, why is the debate about blacklists, and not scalability
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I fear with your efforts you're trying to teach a mentally challenged child how to interpret Chaucer...
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: that would make sense; people seem to assume something monumentally stupid is worthless, but in practice it isn't.
☟︎ adlai: asciilifeform: well yes, this comment was aimed more at Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: adlai: because the "debate" is run by trolls; the sane people have mostly been supportive once they learn what it's actually about
mats: the mental gymnastics involved here are very revealing
adlai: but the debate (no quotes needed, it's very real, otherwise you wouldn't be engaging it) is also a great waste of your energy
adlai: you. personally. Luke-Jr. are wasting energy on this.
fluffypony: adlai: you should ask him how far his Tonal Bitcoin efforts went
adlai: Luke-Jr: even if you succeed, you have admitted yourself that there are rather trivial ways for the entities you're trying to filter, to sidestep your filters
Luke-Jr: adlai: yes, there is - but they haven't done it yet
Luke-Jr: adlai: for me, part of this isn't so much the spam filtering, as much as it is trying to combat monoculture
adlai: the arms race having not yet picked up speed is not exactly an invitation to speed it up
Luke-Jr: adlai: node operators are just outsourcing their decision-making to a central group of developers
adlai: Luke-Jr: why not make a patch that lets people dynamically enter filters into a running, compiled, program?
adlai: preferably through the QT interface because then I never have to know it exists
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: there is a more long-term solution that would help the current case AND your proposed daily-changed-addresses case, which once implemented, I do plan to propose for mainlining
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: but it does not involve any central lists
adlai: this doesn't need to be hardcoded precompilation
adlai: just let each running node choose [whether to, and] whom to filter
Luke-Jr: adlai: they already do - but it's "hardcoded" because that's simpler
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Is this the "filter all address reuse" idea
Luke-Jr: adlai: any Gentoo user can customise the list easily
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: essentially, yes
diametric: jesus taking the wheel while you chat?
adlai: if a human can carry on a conversation while driving, then the social stigma against that conversation being digital is a failure of technology alone
BingoBoingo: I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation while driving.
adlai: also "[adlai's dad] is one of the best drunk drivers I know" - one of his friends
Luke-Jr: diametric: wife is driving
adlai: BingoBoingo: I'm not sure a given homo "sapien" at random can carry on a conversation, period :P
adlai: (sapiens, sapientis...)
kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> I'm not very sure a given homo sapien at random can cary on a conversation. < fixd
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: it isnt inherently broken
adlai: "im not sure random ppl can tlk rite" < moar fixd
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Address reuse in certain cases has great privacy benefits.
assbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1sxK7Nt )
kakobrekla: idk why are you all still wasting time with someone who digs jesus. it sez on his forehead, 'idiot, can not be reasoned with'.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sounds like if mainlined would be an occassion to go shopping for wagon wheels
davout: kakobrekla: something like this
mats: i apologize for making this a topic of discussion
davout: kakobrekla: there are degrees in catholisrry tho
Luke-Jr: tbs, if thats MPs blog, I doubt it says anything sane
Elio19: BingoBoingo, im on vacation
mats: TSLA plunges below 200
BingoBoingo: First people leave here on vacation, and now people come here on vacation.
kakobrekla: davout sure, theres idiots who can tie shoes and theres idiots who cant.
diametric: BingoBoingo: thank you for enabling my laziness
BingoBoingo: It's just about naptime you your enablement is going to be hampered next time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You may interpret wagon wheel purchase however you like. I'll decline to offer the use case for such a versatile tool at the moment.
adlai: BingoBoingo: the argument in that blog post kinda assumes you can't distinguish between inputs from the same address
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen them just sitting and littering a yard. That's a use.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Sure, if only one service does that. If common though confounds assumption of 1 identity 1 address
Luke-Jr: adlai: inputs arent even from addresses…
adlai: there's the example of several customer transactions to several business addresses, and several customer transactions to one business address; in both examples, you can see which customer funds have been spent where, and which haven't been touched.
adlai: in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used
adlai is still far from sold on this whole address-reuse-helps-privacy thing
adlai: seems more like address-reuse-enables-lazyness
davout: i don't think address reuse enhances privacy either
adlai: all information deducible from one transaction graph is deducible from the other, and using unique addresses means that unspent transactions aren't [yet] linked to the business
adlai: actually it's just beginning so an end tag is inappropriate. this is why XML is bad, kids.
mats: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.2, Best ask: 322.768, Bid-ask spread: 1.56800, Last trade: 322.769, 24 hour volume: 7915.53133, 24 hour low: 320.0, 24 hour high: 340.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.0
mats: ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25682 @ 0.00062091 = 15.9462 BTC [+]