danielpbarron: simple html form with a text blob and submit button
thickasthieves: i kinda wonder if this might be an actual use for an altcoin though
DanielKrawisz: Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
thickasthieves: but you dont need to fork bitcoin or whatever to do it
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate napedia 5 I know where he lives. A right and honorable denizen of the net
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danielpbarron: this is like a gpg key signing party, only it's not pointless
bitstein: ;;rate napedia 5 ATX BTC Meetup - Very privileged
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bitstein: ATX is the Vienna of Crypto-Anarchy
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assbot: Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries? - The Washington Post
decimation: asciilifeform: it's more important to cater to democrat votebanks than to protect the general population from ebola
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decimation: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << quote from gigantic comment thread in the red/blue post: "You shouldn’t be worried more people of the Red Tribe will start voting for Republicans, Republicans are your best friends, they pacify the Red Tribe. You should be worried when they stop voting Republican and your civil society fractures."
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mats_cd03: public health policy in the us is good enough to handle ebola
mats_cd03: sounds like excellent population control
mats_cd03: well its not like youll get america to eat salad instead of burgers
TheNewDeal: Speaking of which, I was eating a salad in front of a colleague, and he decided to be healthy he was going to not eat the bun on his burger
TheNewDeal: but then again the salads at most places in the US aren't even healthy themselves. Covered with cheese, think mayo based "dressing," and a bunch of crutons
mats_cd03: call me when you get him to trade the patty for gluten
dub: decimation: I don't really consider teh US as having a political system
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dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd
decimation: Mr. Hand also guides the opposition into safe pasture
dub: liberal and conservate don't mean anything more than libertarian does
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TheNewDeal: they're somewhat descriptive filters, especially when considering usian politics
TheNewDeal: not ideal, but they at least serve some purpose
decimation: those words are quite meaningful and apply broadly
decimation: it's just that the parties to which those labels are applied rarely act in any other way than the status quo
TheNewDeal: I do agree with the US being a one party though
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decimation: actually the democrats/republicans are quite distinguishable and serve different purposes
dub: has your air gap failed?
decimation: democrats attempt to get more free stuff from productive people to their interested constituencies
TheNewDeal: decimation , many conservatives do this as well
decimation: republicans quell dissent by speaking against further handouts in public and in private slowrolling/diverting handouts to their own feeble interests
decimation: asciilifeform: I was going to make this point yesterday: you drive a stake in the heart of systemd because you prefer... bash?
decimation: my point being that bash's shaky foundation has recently been revealed
decimation: that being said, I agree that init.d has way more miles than whatever craziness poettering is pushing
decimation: in either case, modern computing sucks
dub: ah yes, udev was the thing
decimation: so eudev restores the sane default of eth#
dub: bit me hard back when rolling my own routers made sense, suddenly no way to predict which if was what on boot
decimation: googling around, I find many bewildered sysadmins who care
decimation: as I wrote yesterday, one can always write a script to explore /sys/ if one wishes to understand how their devices are laid out
decimation: I remember running a nat on my old 486 with slackware
decimation: princessnell: how goes the blogging these days?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints. << depending on the recipient's age, going down for one minute may be all it takes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother << you don't know her like we do :D
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess. <<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses? << zipf problem.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: he's almost ninjashogun level, the way he goes everywhere, trying a pass or two of the same spun content.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living? << from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward << lol gotta work
mircea_popescu: dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd << emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.
mircea_popescu: i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.
assbot: Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' - NaturalNews.com
nara__narayana: just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied
PeterL: asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?
PeterL: Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that
mircea_popescu: i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint
mircea_popescu: "see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."
decimation: asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card
nara__narayana: crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god
decimation: the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100
nara__narayana: who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?
decimation: eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout
decimation: people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount
decimation: yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it
decimation: apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard
assbot: Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic
decimation: yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system
decimation: pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor
mircea_popescu: well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.
decimation: the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation
decimation: that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety
decimation: I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.
decimation: but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers
decimation: I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too
PeterL: their breeding the X-men in there!
mircea_popescu: wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?
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decimation: I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure
decimation: one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion
decimation: hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?
nara__narayana: what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?
decimation: I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'
mircea_popescu: now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.
mircea_popescu: but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us
decimation: that is an even more interesting thought.
nara__narayana: my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania
decimation: yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage
mircea_popescu: the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...
mircea_popescu: nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe
mircea_popescu: back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)
decimation: probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane
nara__narayana: mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently
decimation: when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance
mircea_popescu: started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people
mircea_popescu: go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs
dub: who is curernt holder of teh title?
dub: most likely to succeed, at suicide
decimation: it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government
decimation: although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss
decimation: nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?
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assbot: BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers
nara__narayana: i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop
assbot: Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? | Sprott Money Blog
mircea_popescu: i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from trilema as if this were somehow a matter of course
PeterL: they think you are hurting their feelings?
assbot: Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ
mircea_popescu: forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful
mircea_popescu: these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do
mircea_popescu: fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore
nara__narayana: bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason
mircea_popescu: "o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"
mircea_popescu: too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o
decimation: as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway
nara__narayana: status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer
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Vexual: TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.
TheNewDeal: anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium
TheNewDeal: was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor
TheNewDeal: vexual, are you too sober at this point in time?
Vexual: what am I making sense to you?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.01494324 = 0.7472 BTC
assbot: Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks : Goats and Soda : NPR
Vexual: i don't even wanna read that the headline and byline are so good
Vexual: 'firestone being a cheap chinese tyre that vurns as good as any bridgestone, and also goats and soda
assbot: PsychiatryOnline | The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences | Ejaculation After Defecation Without Orgasm Induced by Milnacipran
Vexual: theres milnacipran in the marshmallows people, everyone out
Vexual: is not a good shit good enough?
Vexual: apparently it dissappears tumours in days
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Also apparently it keeps the Roos at bay
Vexual: well i think possums dont eat it
Vexual: although im not sure if anyones given them aesophogeal cancer yet
Vexual: qbiotics is still accepting investors i tink
Vexual: do yo uknow anything of the chemistry?
Vexual: any idea on extraction?
Vexual: theres 5 years of black market there
fluffypony: I think I'm going to re-watch Rick & Morty
BingoBoingo: There also isn't much that could really be divined looking at such a big small molecular weight molecule
Vexual: if you care to read the paper id be interested
bounce: huh, the usg cannot copyright but it can own patents? bit of a loophole there.
Vexual: bounce copyright and patent are two different concepts
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BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Africa do anything interesting with BTC today?
assbot: Mailpile: Some thoughts on working with GnuPG
assbot: Gpg4win and the feds -- Werner's own blurbs
Vexual: what the hell are you making?
BingoBoingo: Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't. << lulz
BingoBoingo: "These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:" << Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"
Vexual: you were reading electum a few days ago
punkman: guess I'm going with Limnoria fork
punkman: maybe nanotube has some advice on this matter
Vexual: i still have no idea what youre doing
punkman: nanotube, should I use Limnoria?
punkman: rewriting deedbot and maybe other things
Vexual: i like to read the cover first
RagnarDanneskjol: the guy is mia and never delivered the final code ver so had to have one of my haxor friends break into his server to extract it.. server has more holes than (something with a lot of holes)
punkman: well who wants a PHP hairball anyway
punkman: he did duct-tape the thing pretty quickly, I'll give him that
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deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
thestringpuller: Yeah I'm not sure this will be so controversial. If miners want BTC to be worth more, then they'll want the network to scale. It's really that simple. And Gavin is obviously trustworthy.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13199999 = 2.772 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Everyone just wants to follow Gavin and the BitcoinFoundation to the edge of the cliff.
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punkman: you'd have noticed it if it was mars
Vexual: thats a likeness of Juscelino Kubitschek with the last blood moon
punkman: guess I'm gonna register deedbot2
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Vexual: well, he doesnt actualy mentio in in that version, but theres a small return
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: did you see anything interesting at the conference
RagnarDanneskjol: i got delayed - missed the first conference - headed to this one tomorrow. there is like a whole week of them.. hashers united(laff) comes the next day
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Would you be up for taking some pictures?
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, maybe. this is all investor derps and I'm not much of a camera guy, but guess I can take some spy shots
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punkman: slap on a qntra.net badge, say you are from the press
RagnarDanneskjol: they are all scammy conferences. make your skin crawl to hear most of the stuff there - like the worst of the worst. I just go to gawk
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just if there's any booths out there would be appreciated. If you get 5 picutres I'll toss you Hundredth out of the Cardinals won the NLDS kitty.
BingoBoingo: Also Hundredth is the new slang for what used to be called a bitcent
RagnarDanneskjol: heh. no 'exhibitors at this one. its all start up pitched to Angel losers
punkman: will they have lulzy powerpoints?
BingoBoingo: Oh, so the desperate starter uppers don't have booths in a pen where they sling pitches like at Arrington's?
Vexual: hundreth? sounds a litlle sr ?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: We have to accept that Bitcoin itself may become contraband all on its own.
Vexual: mayhaps ill just bust ross out, did they move his 140k?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Check any NCAA betting lines yet this week? My usually shitbook is offering Mizzou and Georgia at even money.
RagnarDanneskjol: not yet - usually wait till thursday. That will be a great game.
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Either great or horrible. Georgia hasn't been looking very Georgia like this year.
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno. fun fact: Ragnar played as redshirt freshman for the bulldogs
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BingoBoingo: Nice. I imagine no one really likes Spurrier though. Sort of coach who wins consistently, but it is so painful to endure the way he does it.
assbot: Beepi Raises $60 Million to Sell Used Cars to the Smartphone Generation - Digits - WSJ
punkman: " in a bet that people will purchase used cars with a few taps from their smartphones without ever taking a test drive."
Vexual: surely the smartphone generation prefers new cars?
BingoBoingo: I prefer used cars myself, but would never buy one without a test drive.
Vexual: but kids line up to pay 1000 for the new ihone
BingoBoingo: Give the cars a few years to separate what is actually reliable vs. crippled
BingoBoingo: Also the way cars depreciate unless you do the retarded route and go Dealer certified the discount for used is immense.
assbot: Convert documents to TXT
BingoBoingo: It was the first converter I tried that actually de-shitted the court pdf successfully
BingoBoingo: Vexual: I have to get a hold of the lawyer today, and find out why again it appears he failed to get a dismissal.
punkman: BingoBoingo: is it because he keeps getting paid?
Vexual: ;;google frank matano naples
BingoBoingo: punkman: He only gets paid again if it goes to trial.
BingoBoingo: But he already seems too busy for his caseload.
Vexual: look him in the eye and tell him what you want, same goes for the judge
Vexual: save if for the day if your guy is being a cunt
BingoBoingo: I already have a sack of secret shit ready for trial if it comes to that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly. <<< i will do this in the morning
cazalla: sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter -
http://Twitter.com/Qntra <<< you can change email to info@qntra.net, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that
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BingoBoingo: Does anyone here participate in webbotforum.com they've been sending a tiny bit of traffic, but no way to know in what context we've been linked
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BingoBoingo: punkman: If you go to their domain it seems more like a sort of club or cult thing.
punkman: yeah think I've seen it before
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Vexual: that being said, it's highly likey the best of the suisse banks are unchanged still
Vexual: and bingoboingos case will be dismissed
Vexual: well it's kinda how things go
Vexual: you're probably tagged as a pep
Vexual: ie politically exposed person
BingoBoingo: After seeing what happened with Weev, maybe the figure I'm less problematic if not exposed to prison?
Vexual: well im channelling tomme le jones here now, but id say if you dont do too mcuh wrong in the next well youll be fine
Vexual: tomme lee jones never typed that dunk
Vexual: cazalla a desk at that coop might bring scoops
cazalla: just catching up on logs, then i'll check out links
cazalla: what's your wot name Vexual
cazalla: ;;rate muxne 1 true blue fair dinkum aussie battler
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cazalla: fuck that's too hard right now
cazalla: i've had a beer but i just finished driving syd to melb
cazalla: so many dead roos on the hume hwy yet none in sight
Vexual: did you see the guy hit a roo on a harley on liveleak?
cazalla: nah just 1, i'm done (excessive) drinking
Vexual: he hit it square and held it
cazalla: there is a gixxer hitting one on youtube but no harley, that it?
Vexual: i dont know what gixxer is
Vexual: im sure it said harley
Vexual: thatd be more than 155 and chop suey
Vexual: good rider first, also lucky
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cazalla: i had a zzr for a bit, thinking i'll play some road rash for real
cazalla: you know how that worked out
Vexual: thats a fast piece of machinery, and the valves sound special
Vexual: give you the kinda feedback you need at 100 mph
assbot: Supreme Court arguments for Arkansas prisoner beard case: What can you hide in half-inch stubble?
Vexual: im guessing you bent the front spokes and gave it away?
cazalla: nah, i came off the road, mind you this was zzr 250cc, not even a powerful bike
cazalla: slid on the gravel a bit, bike was all scratched to hell, spooked me enough to call it a day
Vexual: well a zzr 250 and a gsxr1100 across the traffic lights...
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cazalla: anyway, things we do when young and stupid
Vexual: yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney
Vexual: but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs
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Vexual: unless you're an elf on a powerband aprillia 125
Vexual: shits got more ^2 than a 747
Vexual: i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes
Vexual: or are they called hoverquads?
dub: which has a yamaha 1800 vtec
Vexual: its an excellent machine
Vexual: and occassionally din't run
Vexual: but iv'e been in a nice one
Vexual: made me wish i knew how to maintain
dub: '01 jdm zze123, sold as sportivo in au
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dub: er matrix is US body
Vexual: i sthat a rear engine jobbie?
Vexual: most borrowed car evar
Vexual: now its all tts and 350s
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: That was just a reception
Vexual: melbourne seems realer about doind stuff
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - i see you mentioned that - I got my confrences mixed - its a fuull week
Vexual: that said ive never been to vegas
bounce: after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?
mthreat: i had a 350z, great track car
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Vexual: whats it called the nissan?
Vexual: thats the ladies coupe
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Vexual: it's a sexy car, i just wouldnt own it
dub: exige still have the 2zz-ge?
mthreat: yeah, and the later models are supercharged
mthreat: (Exiges). yeah, my S260 has 260 horsepower with a 1.8L engine
Vexual: that might cause some forward mmomentum
mthreat: with a 2000-pound car, yep
dub: yeah NA version in my car
dub: know a couple of dudes with blower kits
Vexual: well let me at cha with a dremel and a scredriver
Vexual: get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit
Vexual: fix the oil seals manyana
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nubbins`: imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go
Vexual: id go, i love maroon 5
thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes
Vexual: aerosmith , kiss, marooooooooooooooooooooooon5
Vexual: the lcal scan't say it
nanotube: punkman1: yea limnoria is a good choice.
nubbins`: thickasthieves they changed to appease the wrong crowd
nubbins`: this concert is in the middle of the fuckin island in a town of 13k people
nubbins`: generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth
nubbins`: nobody's driving 5 hours to see a maroon 5 concert.
nubbins`: anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.
Vexual: id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon
nubbins`: and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill
nubbins`: maybe next year they'll get william hung
thickasthieves: they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves that's the idea
nubbins`: "up next: led hot zilli peppers"
nubbins`: (they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)
Vexual: yay not wasting moeny!
nubbins`: i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?
Vexual: meth + none is cheaper than someone
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nubbins`: i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye
Vexual: he'll be shaved and get better friends
nubbins`: Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens
Vexual: yeah its the future and shit
mircea_popescu: ahhh this is lulzy. trilema traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.
nubbins`: once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers
nubbins`: but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?
nubbins`: actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day
nubbins`: i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.
nubbins`: so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award
nubbins`: new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in
nubbins`: and MAN can this guy fuckin cook
Vexual: resturants go bad with bad mayo
nubbins`: i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"
Vexual: its where the very term chicken shit came from
mircea_popescu: nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.
nubbins`: 9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...
Vexual: you make lagsngne in house?
nubbins`: the prep work was done the day before
nubbins`: had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight
Vexual: immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue
nubbins`: but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch
nubbins`: nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free
nubbins`: heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped
nubbins`: generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap
nubbins`: moose is like a spicy/stringy beef
kakobrekla: never had bison or moose. had deer many times.
mircea_popescu: he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.
nubbins`: anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"
mircea_popescu: ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse
nubbins`: 24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"
nubbins`: 9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.
Vexual: i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne
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kakobrekla: these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value
nubbins`: "this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("
kakobrekla: but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten
Vexual: do you mice the bones or dress them?
Vexual: mice the whole thing? fur and all?
nubbins`: i've got a variety of adhesives we can use
Vexual: what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?
nubbins`: i have some sugru but i think it's expired.
nubbins`: feels unusually stiff inside the package
nubbins`: Vexual room-temp-cure silicone
nubbins`: we're trying to stick to beef here
Vexual: although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere
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Vexual: no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want
Vexual: because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary
Vexual: you get one of two experiences
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nubbins`: actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.
nubbins`: the lasagne took like ten of them
Vexual: yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo
Vexual: its supposed to be ... err how you say
kakobrekla: i dont want to be on this planet anymore!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week
kakobrekla: if only this would be limited to that.
Vexual: its all about the greek
mircea_popescu: can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.
mircea_popescu: they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.
mircea_popescu: Scalia cuts him off: “Well, religious beliefs aren’t reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, it’s … God tells you. It’s not a matter of being reasonable.” He looks amazed. “God, be reasonable?”
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nubbins`: check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy
mircea_popescu: imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.
Vexual: i havent read the book
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Vexual: thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho
Vexual: since when did no or yes need a qualifier
Vexual: english is whorish like that
thickasthieves: viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.
nubbins`: heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all
nubbins`: "Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."
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nubbins`: "given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"
nubbins`: welcome to the asymmetric future
mircea_popescu: im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.
mircea_popescu: course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.
nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette
mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years
nubbins`: i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"
nubbins`: but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow
nubbins`: so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead
nubbins`: anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together
nubbins`: guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career
mircea_popescu: anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song
mircea_popescu: kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there
mircea_popescu: heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway
mircea_popescu: o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to
nubbins`: heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out
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nubbins`: NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.
mircea_popescu: i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.
mircea_popescu: nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.
mircea_popescu: course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0
thickasthieves: so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?
thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen
mircea_popescu: that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.
mats_cd03: so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016
thickasthieves: well popular artists could have preorders and min orders
nubbins`: min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago
mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P
mircea_popescu: people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.
nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?
Vexual: ill be moving fixed rate rice soon
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mats_cd03: more people getting penalized for not having health insurance
nubbins`: a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it
nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.
nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".
mircea_popescu: look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...
nubbins`: i've bought music through apple
mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.
mircea_popescu: apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.
Vexual: were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that
mircea_popescu: so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.
thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of
mircea_popescu: and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.
thickasthieves: so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
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mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.
mircea_popescu: but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron
thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?
mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,
thickasthieves: but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation
mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.
Vexual: i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever
mircea_popescu: that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.
thickasthieves: yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m
mats_cd03: i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious
nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.
mircea_popescu: these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.
Vexual: $500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation
mircea_popescu: it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.
thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still
nubbins`: not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label
thickasthieves: yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize
nubbins`: "music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things
thickasthieves: people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.
nubbins`: this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago
nubbins`: people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music
mircea_popescu: the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous
thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists
nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.
nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums
thickasthieves: i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music
mircea_popescu: so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?
Vexual: dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny
mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.
nubbins`: he also made more money as a producer than as an artist
nubbins`: you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.
nubbins`: you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?
mircea_popescu: promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.
nubbins`: people have fucked ideas about rights
mircea_popescu: they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it
Vexual: this cats got the patent too
nubbins`: how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future
nubbins`: fucking of course it's okay!!!
nubbins`: the fact that this surprises people is fucked
thickasthieves: u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore
nubbins`: ;;google coolio library site:bitcointalk.org
nubbins`: anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.
mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters
Vexual: i almost said something
mircea_popescu: to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use
nubbins`: hear the sounds they're licensed to hear
mircea_popescu: and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.
nubbins`: turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?
mircea_popescu: people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.
nubbins`: turns out amazon is the air seller.
Vexual: bc was about 60 bux then
mircea_popescu: stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable
mircea_popescu: THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet
mircea_popescu: and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.
mircea_popescu: fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.
nubbins`: hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server
mircea_popescu: and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure
mircea_popescu: because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.
Vexual: if you see me pick up a gun, shootme
mircea_popescu: as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.
mircea_popescu: forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week
mircea_popescu: the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.
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nubbins`: i'm still in the money like MAD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?
mircea_popescu: i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist
Vexual: youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool
mircea_popescu: anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.
Vexual: ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain
Vexual: i think i did university wrongly
Vexual: well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did
Vexual: and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda
Vexual: i sat in on law and classics
Vexual: i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance
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Vexual: but i never lerned nothin like physics
Vexual: im too old to lurk into lectures now
Vexual: i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while
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nubbins`: i thought it was the science of math
Vexual: its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy
nubbins`: the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math
Vexual: yeah its visa vera too
Vexual: its where math meets every other science
Vexual: what kinda math do you do?
nubbins`: what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical
Vexual: practical in astro belive it or not
nubbins`: passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will
Vexual: you a lowrider or something?
Vexual: werea ll youngish here
diana_coman: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
nubbins`: i'm here for the focused dialogue
Vexual: mircea_popescu: i wish
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Vexual: better than deep throat
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ben_vulpes: morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu
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Vexual: got any treasure for me?
Vexual: i need a fucking mission
ben_vulpes: Vexual: what do you do with yourself anyways?
Vexual: i generally work in managerial positions
Vexual: yeah don't ask coz i dunno
Vexual: grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff
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nubbins`: "It's not that the suits fail; it's that people fail when they take it off."
Vexual: you don't fuck about with ebola
Vexual: the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met
Vexual: you only get one chance to stop that shit
nubbins`: well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something
Vexual: lol youre typing like me ascii
Vexual: how long til you're dining on roo pete?
pete_dushenski: so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...
Vexual: wow, full price tickets
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pete_dushenski: different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls
Vexual: im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?
Vexual: i dont want to get on a terrorist list
nubbins`: if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp
Vexual: i was thinkinking learning russian
nubbins`: there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado
Vexual: so dont tell me 2 months
pete_dushenski: it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now
Vexual: yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly
Vexual: and wed have nothing to talk about
Vexual: i havent read evry book
pete_dushenski: "I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."
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Vexual: yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts
Vexual: whos go with virgins anyway?
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Vexual: i mean, seriously, c'mon
Vexual: i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober
Vexual: and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!
Vexual: bali got a fuckton from oldmate
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assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics
Vexual: well you give a name and adress
Vexual: oh you dont like it? me nmeither
mats_cd03: 'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence
Vexual: anywy, imma see what jamaica is like
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat
mats_cd03: as well as vulnerability to things like swatting
mats_cd03: some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery
mats_cd03: dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies
mats_cd03: and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou
mats_cd03: doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.
X-Rob: Morning BingoBoingo
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.
mircea_popescu: there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.
assbot: Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?
mircea_popescu: and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...
mircea_popescu: there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.
mircea_popescu: o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?
mircea_popescu: except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.
mircea_popescu: this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say
jurov: ever had all 4 set?
mircea_popescu: isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides
mircea_popescu: "i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?
mircea_popescu: shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/
nubbins`: speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email
nubbins`: not available to public yet, gotta screenshot
nubbins`: minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...
nubbins`: neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho
nubbins`: "they really licensed the shit out of that logo"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.
thestringpuller: You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?
thestringpuller: If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."
thestringpuller: How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?
nubbins`: thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)
pete_dushenski: very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.
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thestringpuller: nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.
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go1111111: thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule
go1111111: regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle
nubbins`: what specifically is the issue
nubbins`: 1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?
thestringpuller: the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes
go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about
thestringpuller: so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?
nubbins`: how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?
thestringpuller: if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given << This
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.
go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?
Apocalyptic: go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough
nubbins`: go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?
Apocalyptic: but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?
nubbins`: Apocalyptic it worked for bucky
go1111111: thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability
thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc
nubbins`: you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence
thestringpuller: go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...
nubbins`: nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year
thestringpuller: he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account
nubbins`: okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption
nubbins`: i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now
nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
nubbins`: note that usa is not a first world country
nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
nubbins`: how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?
thestringpuller: So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: you want to stop it?
nubbins`: o noes, somalia can't run a full node
go1111111: thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries
thestringpuller: very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.
thestringpuller: starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?
go1111111: most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive
nubbins`: so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection
chetty: internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt
nubbins`: why precisely are we whining about block size?
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?
thestringpuller: i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...
nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.
nubbins`: no, when diff goes high miners upgrade
nubbins`: children with mining hardware drop off
nubbins`: why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?
nubbins`: "my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"
Apocalyptic: for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain
thestringpuller: my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.
thestringpuller: lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming
go1111111: so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"
go1111111: mining = running a full node, i mean
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees
thestringpuller: go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.
go1111111: smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while
thestringpuller: what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"
nubbins`: "poor people should be able to run a node"
go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources
nubbins`: maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node
thestringpuller: For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...
nubbins`: yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?
thestringpuller: as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium
nubbins`: and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity
thestringpuller: yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.
go1111111: thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold
nubbins`: "centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?
nubbins`: "decentralization bad, centralization good"
nubbins`: "analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."
thestringpuller: centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"
nubbins`: there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?
nubbins`: a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?
nubbins`: yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"
nubbins`: is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?
nubbins`: you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500
nubbins`: running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole
Naphex: well you can scale nodes anyway
nubbins`: maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node
nubbins`: ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?
thestringpuller: "Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort
thestringpuller: USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."
Naphex: whats with all this burden on full nodes
Naphex: 56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections
Naphex: load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33
nubbins`: thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet
Naphex: running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores
BingoBoingo: nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware
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Naphex: i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale
Naphex: the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg
Naphex: since the supernode will filter most of the junk
nubbins`: why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?
thestringpuller: Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?
nubbins`: srsly, bright blue text on grey bg
Naphex: thestringpuller: they store it
nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style
Naphex: they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node
thestringpuller: so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?
Naphex: thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time
Naphex: on nodes processing junk
Naphex: double spends, dust, etc
Naphex: the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> he's just playing it up for the crowd. << that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.
Naphex: thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot
mircea_popescu: <go1111111> thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule << increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.
mircea_popescu: blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.
mircea_popescu: and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority
mircea_popescu: engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.
mthreat: i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others
mircea_popescu: yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely
nubbins`: A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?
nubbins`: that *is* a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?
Naphex: nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.
Naphex: lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers
Naphex: i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant
mircea_popescu: after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.
nubbins`: what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder
mircea_popescu: go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)
go1111111: mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss
mircea_popescu: i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.
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mechtronic2001: Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.
mircea_popescu: mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.
mircea_popescu: you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)
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mircea_popescu: mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"
mircea_popescu: because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.
go1111111: if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that
mike_c: yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.
mircea_popescu: einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.
☟︎ Apocalyptic: go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees
mircea_popescu: go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.
Apocalyptic: the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it
mircea_popescu: amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here
mircea_popescu: to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days
mircea_popescu: gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.
BingoBoingo: The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary
mircea_popescu: ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.
Apocalyptic: mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it
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mircea_popescu: for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".
mircea_popescu: go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.
mircea_popescu: level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.
mircea_popescu: discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.
go1111111: the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.
mircea_popescu: level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.
mircea_popescu: examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?
mircea_popescu: inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit
go1111111: inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former
Naphex: mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit
mircea_popescu: go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.
ben_vulpes: not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.
mircea_popescu: another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.
mircea_popescu: Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder
mircea_popescu: look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7
mircea_popescu: point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".
mircea_popescu: because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.
nubbins`: any public stats on version popularity?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.
Naphex: (in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)
assbot: 24-hour chart - Bitnodes
mircea_popescu: unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it
mircea_popescu: go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.
mircea_popescu: but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.
mircea_popescu: so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.
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mircea_popescu: and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.
mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.
mircea_popescu: this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.
mircea_popescu: we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.
Naphex: ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell
BingoBoingo: Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.
mircea_popescu: govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.
BingoBoingo: Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons
mircea_popescu: they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.
BingoBoingo: Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin
mircea_popescu: sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup
mircea_popescu: in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.
mircea_popescu: imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there
mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.
jurov: unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires
jurov: in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones
bounce: currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.
BingoBoingo: jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages
mircea_popescu: what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?
jurov: HVAC === phone wires ????
bounce: could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few
BingoBoingo: jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.
jurov: 64kbps, latency depends
mircea_popescu: bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.
jurov: you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires
jurov: the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc
jurov: they tend to burn, too
bounce: not that we know of, anyway.
mircea_popescu: bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they tend to burn, too << Not if you make a smarter fire.
mircea_popescu: but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.
jurov: these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)
jurov: main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago
BingoBoingo: Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing
cazalla: mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days
jurov: anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.
bounce: copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.
mircea_popescu: in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.
BingoBoingo: jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though
bounce: modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow
mircea_popescu: bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.
BingoBoingo: Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.
bounce: well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up
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mircea_popescu: bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.
mircea_popescu: effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.
bounce: what, it's not about the politics for once?
mircea_popescu: im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.
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mircea_popescu: telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.
jurov: anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?
bounce: a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.
mircea_popescu: jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.
mircea_popescu: it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?
jurov: it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.
BingoBoingo: jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note
bounce: perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?
bounce: worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.
mircea_popescu: bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.
jurov: thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?
mircea_popescu: telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.
jurov: coinbr mostly dried up this year
mircea_popescu: bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).
bounce: it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though
jurov: thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.
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thickasthieves: jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss
jurov: blockchain bombardment
bounce: ;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king
bounce: in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.
bounce: but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.
mircea_popescu: which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers
mircea_popescu: by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.
mircea_popescu: so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?
mircea_popescu: in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.
bounce: well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,
mircea_popescu: "full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.
mircea_popescu: there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.
bounce: uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.
mircea_popescu: now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,
jurov: i just referred to "to make sluts look good"
mircea_popescu: bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.
bounce: oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths
mircea_popescu: last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,
bounce: so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.
mircea_popescu: "bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"
mircea_popescu: it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,
mircea_popescu: but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.
bounce: could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing
jurov: i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it
jurov: we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space
bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.
mircea_popescu: jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to
bounce: though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.
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bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background
BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.
bounce: this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts
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BingoBoingo: ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who knew we'd all be appreciating assbot's !up !down so much nao
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mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!
mircea_popescu: wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!
mike_c: GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd << does this shit actually still work on anyone?
mike_c: who knows. but A for effort, 3000 requests in a minute.
assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: really? i thought we were going back to moon now.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I thought we never really hit the moon yet, just low earth orbit.
mike_c: last i heard we had hit moon and were aiming for mars. but i don't keep track.
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BingoBoingo: That story about the silenced handgun is ridiculous. Even modern suppressors leave gunshots well over 100 dB range. Nice to know that our spymasters even insist on lying to themselves." Forgets .22lr is a thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Always room for improvement
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The20YearIRCloud: texas has more health problems from illegals coming over the boarder than it does with ebola (all healthwise)
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BingoBoingo: I imagine within the decade Mexico will be more concerned about illegals coming from the US than the other way.
BingoBoingo: I have a gut feeling that the big reason more US'ians don't follow through with their going to Canada threats is that Canada is too close to what they are leaving. That and Canada doesn't really want them.
mircea_popescu: from the looks of it they've got maybe even odds to lose control and end up with an epidemic
mircea_popescu: if the mortality is 20% from the disease and another 10% from the resulting stampede that's about 100mn deaths in the us by 2016.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some merit to this. apparently it's not infectious presymptomatically.
ben_vulpes: you better lose yourself in the pandemic \ you own it, you better never let it go \ you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow
mircea_popescu: n ow on the other hand, who gives a shit about west africa flights...
mircea_popescu: i don't get this. you telling me it's specifically because obama is a kenyan citizen ?
bounce: that whole patenting thing?
chetty: but seriously when exactly do you cross the line to being infections? the exact second you show a fever? the first time you cough? of just maybe its actually 5 minutes before ...
mircea_popescu: get out, no govenrment in history survived a large pandemic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00074435 = 14.7381 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: me dont believe thay actually know for sure
BingoBoingo: chetty: No one knows where the line is, may vary in different situations
mircea_popescu: chetty this is roughly like the "can't get aids from mosquitoes/bugs
ben_vulpes: ottomans survived regular decimations in constantinople, according to "The Sultans"
chetty: asciilifeform, I like that definition
dub: is there acutally more cases of obola or are yall watching fox again
ben_vulpes: it was a passing note, take it up with Barber!
chetty: dub, they took another one into isolation to 'test'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The scariest zombies are always the kind that die. I've never much feared undeath.
chetty: I don't think they even need actual disease now, the fear may be enough
chetty: on the not shutting down flights, whats wrong with those pilots and aircrews, they can and should shut it down
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most cattle here lack the cardiovascular endurance to really... Stampede... McDonalds et al
chetty: <asciilifeform> chetty: they want to eat.// helps to be alive to do that
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hanta, still endemic to the America southwest. Goes through dormant, emergent cycles
chetty: BingoBoingo, thats a point, with all the drought that should have broken out, haven't seen anything about it
BingoBoingo: Basically North America can not have an edible mouse like Slovenia can.
Quinn_: mircea, i was told you wanted to talk to me?
BingoBoingo: Hanta is apparently a creature of the desert.
Quinn_: I created the bitcoin users in a nutshell cartoon.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: prior, iirc. the context of the remark was that the sultan (subject of the chapter) began to address the plagues that had routinely decimated the capital with european medical techniques. this was, iirc, one of the last three to rule before the sultanate was brought to an end by the young turks et al.
mircea_popescu: does your own statement resolve your objection ben_vulpes ? :)
Quinn_: Depends on the content, i have a site which is better to contact me through. www.zenithquinn.com/#!commissions/c171x
ben_vulpes: though the causal relationship is a little murky to me
Quinn_: well I don't know what type of cartoons you want, so i can't tell you if i can agree to it or not.
mircea_popescu: but i'm preselected, i already seen the cartoon you made, so we're going with that type.
Quinn_: But do you have a script /idea?
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mircea_popescu: Quinn_ no, not yet. but if you're amenable to work on one i think we can probably come up with something.
mircea_popescu: bounce i wouldn't credit post-libtard revolution descriptions of history.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, it all fits neatly, "prior to the soviet state and everywhere outside of it kids had it rough and didn't even get any icecream"
bounce: that's not-invented-here.gov, dunno about their political or historic revisionism inclinations
Quinn_: Contact me through my site and we can discuss this further! :)
mircea_popescu: you can contact me through here and we can discuss it further.
Quinn_: I don't arrange commissioned work through irc chats, not very trustworthy.
mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how long does it take you to make one of these ? could you in principle bang out one a week if scripts were availabe ?
Quinn_: The amount of work and time dedicated all depends on price. e.g a $300 video that's 30 seconds long will take a week.
mircea_popescu: hm, irc chats are actually the pinnacle of trustworthy, you just don't know about how it all works yet.
Quinn_: I did it in my spare time between commissions, since it wasn't a source of income so around 3 months
Quinn_: and I know nothing about you, a quick google search doesn't reveal anything either
Quinn_: other than one article citing you as a romanian billionaire which doesn't exactly sound in any way legit.
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mike_c: not entirely legit. should be "ex-pat romanian".
BingoBoingo: Quinn_: At the time he was provably a Billionaire. Now He's mysteriously maybe so. Bitcoin be volatile.
BingoBoingo: He's at least a plural hundreds of Millionaire though, provably.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin created what, 50bn worth of value out of the ether. didja think it all went into the usg budget or something ?
Quinn_: Not to seem rude, but there;s hundreds or people who claim to be bitcoin millionaires on reddit and such.
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mircea_popescu: this is an interesting point tho. i guess for the vast majority of the public, bitcoin is this "cool tech", nobody stops to think bitcoin is actually a bunch of saudi princes.
Quinn_: mircea didn't you create a porn site under a false name and stolen content?
mircea_popescu: i was a producer for a bunch shots, but that was back in the 90s.
hanbot: mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know << ahahaha, this convo....
Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..." << you couldn't possibly mean that ?!
thestringpuller: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! << blockchain is trustworthy nao?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the sad part here is that 15k youtube views took $300 * 3 * 4.2 = 3800 dollars' worth of this guy's time.
mike_c: his time must be worth more given he just turned down a weekly video job.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't think he was proceeding very calculatedly tbh.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I dunno. It's all about the burn rate.
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mircea_popescu: speaking of which, mike_c dja feel like doing some writing for qrta ?
mike_c: my once-a-month pace already strains my time for writing. i don't think i'm the right fit for a newsroom.
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mike_c: there was this woman around looking for work who was a writer, but i think she disappeared.
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mircea_popescu: so much shit on people's eyes getting in the way of their finding a loaf of bread
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 22:01:06; Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
mircea_popescu: trust is a feeling! investing is a +ev activity for the amateur, just like people make a profit growing tomatoes on their windowsil. sticks and stones could break your bones but words is what really matters. etc.
xanthyos: and i have been stuck in the chapel perilous in some schizoaffective bullshit for 8 days unable to leave the house or bed
xanthyos: so i think that deserves a negative assbot rating
xanthyos: maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment
xanthyos: i might buy a bottle of vodka and walk into the woods
mircea_popescu: i never heard of any man's post pancreatic lung cancer giving their offspring braindamage
BingoBoingo: vodka and the woods sounds like a fun way to get a hangover.
kakobrekla: x<xanthyos> maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment < its good you figured this before buying a bottle of vodka and walking into the woods. just listen to us.
mircea_popescu: and that without even considering the part where you were born before he got it.
BingoBoingo: <xanthyos> i'm too crazy to live << No such thing.
xanthyos: i haven't had a girlfriend since 2004
mircea_popescu: how about steve irvin, BingoBoingo ? that dude was too crazy to live.
xanthyos: because i'm too afraid if i got a girlfriend i'd just end up BEATING her like the last one
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he was too stupid and the stingray too wily
xanthyos: ti's not a sadomasochistic thing
bounce: get a gf that could hit you right back, and will if you mope
xanthyos: have one, but missed my most recent appointment due to anxiety
bounce: plenty help with all sorts of things. good of you to know where (some of) your weaknesses are. doing something about it is the next step.
mircea_popescu: it's not "impulse control", once she hands you your ass twice a week for a month
bounce: and of course, it's always darkest right before dawn.
thickasthieves: get someone to help you with motivating and taking care of yourself to do what you need to do
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather go to some full contact sport thing than a shrink if the problem is violence.
thestringpuller: xanthyos: one of my closest friends has schizoaffective disorder. there was a point when he was having tons of episodes everyday that he couldn't really leave the house. But he's doing better now because better treatment is out. Just stick with it mang.
bounce: close in-person friends >> self-"medication"
xanthyos: the ocd and borderline personality disorder are the truly disabling things
xanthyos: in 2001 i was diagnosed "gravely disabled" and have been receiving social security since
xanthyos: i'm one of the entitled socialist dregs that bitcoin is going to weed out
mircea_popescu: lmao how do you make it in here without wanting to bash people's heads in ?
mike_c: not if you buy bitcoin with your SS check
mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?
mircea_popescu: btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.
bounce: there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life
bounce: shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons
hanbot: i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.
bounce: V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful
xanthyos: i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.
bounce: worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it
bounce: so get out and do something. maybe some moderately physically demanding job
bounce: gotta start somewhere.
thickasthieves: i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you
bounce: more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on
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thickasthieves: a fam member uses it for his psych issues, along with some meds
thickasthieves: he's obsessed with making a home recording studio currently
hanbot: ty kindly mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.
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mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600
bounce: hanbot: s/treacle/trickle/ ?
hanbot: bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::
bounce: alright, if that's how you wanted it.
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bounce: protection against the uncool people
BingoBoingo: The US really should start selling ketamine like aspirin
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bounce: there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.
bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.
bounce: they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus
bounce: you don't like sparc and ppc either then?
bounce: true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << Single network interface with packet filter
bounce: that gives a lot of headroom for fancy interconnects, no? :-p
bounce: what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!
bounce thinks of a 'pinky' joke, but fails... like every night.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.
bounce: don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!
pete_dushenski: which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously
bounce: ring ring. those guys.
pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.
pete_dushenski: "uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."
pete_dushenski: chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"
bounce: those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.
Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.
thestringpuller: actually you could probably get away with 56k satellite phone connection in nepal
mircea_popescu: dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk
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BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, pretty much, I wasn't being sarcastic
BingoBoingo: It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine
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assbot: justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability
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mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny. <<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> wait, no, not purpose, causes! << lol selfpwnt
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gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL << honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?
thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion
mircea_popescu: probably wasted in the venue, but i do kinda see you as this barefoot preacher to the huns.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no. they have their cults and we have a culture.
mircea_popescu: "BRANSON, MO—Among the things that I dislike most in this world are patriotism, religion, tourist traps, country music, and the Walmart corporation. So I traveled to the one area of this nation that captures them all. It did not go as planned."
BingoBoingo: You know at this point the shit Gavin proposes on the roadmap has to suggest a three letter agency gave him an explosive buttplug.
justusranvier: Oh, that one. Sorry, having less-than-optimal connectivity to my bouncer right now
thestringpuller: Where Denzel puts a C4 block in the rectum of a police chief
mircea_popescu: ss your heart" Southern affectation of intense, polite agreement with everything that makes a mockery of any attempt at challenging conversation. Even when Bucky started ranting about various street artists and why they are or are not sellouts, Berry would strenuously agree, despite the fact that—and I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here—the street art scene in Branson is rather limited. Banksy's new piece? "
mircea_popescu: Uh HUH!" Dan Witz's mosh pit paintings? "AbsoLUTEly!" This is actually a clever form of communications ju-jitsu, because, over time, you start adopting the same affectation just to fit in, until one day you hear yourself saying "That ghost tour was AMAZING!" and you wonder if you have lost your identity somewhere along Highway 86.
mircea_popescu: dude, that article's something else. buncha tiresome hippies rolling their eyes at b uncha tiresome fargo inhabitants.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do the gawker idjits figure they're any better than the ozarks idiots just through being a different color...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best part. The authors and subjects... all white as gypsum
assbot: justusranvier comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i didn't mean that color. i just meant, red prius roling headlights at white prius for being such a mainstream pos car.
justusranvier: go a few parents up to finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarting po
assbot: theymos comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: anyway, i know what you're saying, it's sensible, but also a very hard problem.
pete_dushenski: and i'm off to have two lovely romanians make me a home-cooked meal!
justusranvier: I have a vm running Xorg on a VPS, and I connect this desktop remotely using Spice protocol
mircea_popescu: justusranvier so then what happens actually is that if you press a key it sends a packet over and if you depress it similarly
mircea_popescu: and so if it misses a packet in there you just keep on typing n ?
bounce: "house of cards" is still industry best practice. carry on.
justusranvier: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop
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