mircea_popescu: granted, this is not a problem that can actually be solved
mircea_popescu: so yes, avoidance is the name of the game. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: you're never going to escape the fact that a 3 person sitcom crew can fuck three different ways whereas a 4 person crew can fuck in 6 ways
jurov: for documents you can use CDN and whatnot. problem is if they want to call your code
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: guess more answers are in logs? (that's a dumb question sorry)
mircea_popescu: this is fine, but if you actually calculate the computational load you'll get more than the current star model
mircea_popescu: suppose you, unknown stranger of razi level, have a q. takes you three years and a dozen idiotic answers ?
mircea_popescu: sure, and at a bunch of unintentional other mishaps at that.
mircea_popescu: the solution, as practiced in history, was to teach the drunks restraint.
mircea_popescu: so you kill them and then hang the alchemists by their guts.
mircea_popescu: then beggar can talk to king dracula any time he wants.
mircea_popescu: Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them? ThickAsThieves: because racism << ok i lolled. because colonialism.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By this time next month Amtrack business will be booming. US air travel is on its way out. <<< can only go where there's track.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if any reader feels like building a botnet / expanding his botnet, you can probably hit the earlier linked list of ips. if you're carefgul going in you can probably blame whatever mischief on the original derp, too.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far the rennovated mosin is my favorite
mircea_popescu: devthedev: Bitcointalk: "Due to a recently-discovered flaw in the TLS and SSL protocols, you may want to change your password, especially if you accessed the forum using Tor." <<< what, tor isn't safe ? incredibru.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The last one, new rifles are sold in us on essentially the same principle. "Inline" muzzle loaders that use shotgun primers.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think it can be nothing more <<< yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00073995 = 17.9068 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c: ethics schmethics. newspapers have been funded by ads from forever <<< yeah but i find the entire goldline glenn beck thing pretty objectionable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: once q transforms into the kind of thing which is presently lucrative, it will cease to be distinguishable from the despised competition. << the idea is to transform things around it.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close. /// of course, second bidder has something to work with
ben_vulpes: kick everyone's ass on quality without worrying about making money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ATM this inspires me to wonder about... the classic railgun. If the projectile is already a strong magnet...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i wasn't intending to (with what, ha.) just ringing the bell to possibly wake up folks who think they can achieve a new result by doing the same thing as was done for 100 years. <<< you know, the clerk maxwell guy, arguably a novel result, WAS in fact achieved by doing the exact same thing men have been doing to women for a hundred years.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kick everyone's ass on quality without worrying about making money << gawker was never great, but this is how they killed huffpo
mircea_popescu: and now i got you in the corner. either you argue with the libtards that c. maxwell is not a novel result, tho his work is
ben_vulpes is now gagging for time to read the logs
mircea_popescu: jurov: FTFY: build enough audience and capital to buy ukraine <<< here's a simple calculation : someone somewhere judges it worth his time to try to attack qntra for like what, a day ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> over a ludicrously expensive plasma tv, the owner of the firm gravely proclaimed that the robot (nominally a sapperbot) shall be fitted with a rifle. << Wait employees hadn't machines so armed already?
mircea_popescu: how much are ~5k zombie ips worth ? what's the current market value of a wordpress list like whatever, 100k or i didn't bother counting the new one yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform besides the point tho. negotiable instruments, like anything else.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but also like slaves they're worth w/e they bring in.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> but idea is, if you own them, better keep them busy. like slaves. << oh god i know this one
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yeah, but also like slaves they're worth w/e they bring in. << also this one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, you know how they announce job vacancies here ?
mircea_popescu: just like you died and went to fucking warcraft heaven
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: wsj, like nyt et al is an organ of the crown. << so is qntra.
mircea_popescu: and like wsj, nyt etc, it's worth whatever the crown says it's worth.
BingoBoingo: Oh Mosins are still under $150 per in the US.
assbot: Century Arms M91/30 Mosin Nagant Bolt Action Rifle 7.62x54R 26" Barrel 5 Rounds Laminated Stock Black Finish RI660L-X in Good Condition
mircea_popescu: but speaking of crowns : romanian king (prince karl of hohenzollern-sigmaringen) had the interesting idea of making his crown out of iron
assbot: Cheaper Than Dirt! - 7.62x54R
mircea_popescu: cannons are indeed out of fashion, but for whoever ends up crowned : consider making your crown out of the extracted teeth of us congressmen, imf directors and so on and so forth.
ben_vulpes: make a synthetic diamond crown of carbonized benjamins
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still, for a full power rifle cartridge of new manufacter not bad at all
BingoBoingo: Olin brass has to butter their bezzel bread
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: infinite shares with no plausible picture of how they are to be worth something <<< this is similar to the problem of marriage neh ? "woman can bring infinite children with no idea how they;d amount to anything"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 100 percent machined parts, nothing stamped, nothing made of shitmetal (e.g. 'zamac') << no, because metals can be purified, but organics not so well.
BingoBoingo: Qntra shares really aren't a problem so long as they remain countably infinite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14662 @ 0.00074038 = 10.8555 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i broke tons of all sorts of cruddy kitchen implements
mircea_popescu: i broke a quarter inch thick garlic press into shards etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i own two halves of a broken corkscrew (owned. used to show people.) << I imagine my current corkscrew will outlive me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and in people i know to be clever! << wait, do you mean me ?
BingoBoingo: Broke 3 Zamac turds, moved to a beauty in 440 stainless steel
mircea_popescu: well, cazalla is the editor in charge, BingoBoingo is his lieutenant and im here to fuck things up.
BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: YOu have yet to acquire a cloak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what next? pay people by lines of code? << i've actually done that. "you get paid 1000 - code count"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but code has a verifiable existence outside of its words. copywriting does not.
BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: He is living breathing 7 bits of text
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i'm going to write an amazing article and pad the fuck out of it <<< /me settles down for this
Amazonfirehd: is it the hard disk that processes data and the cpu stores the data right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28638 @ 0.00074038 = 21.203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12162 @ 0.000741 = 9.012 BTC [+]
danielpbarron slaps kushed around a bit with a large speaking-stick
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> given the fate of usd, the small coins continue to circulate largely through inertia of neglect. << prices in my area recently went to integer dollars for things sold by the unit
mircea_popescu: jurov: kakobrekla: what about S.BASH? one share per bashed word <<< or S.BISH. one share per something.
assbot: Afroduck Leaks Video Of 'NYPD Officer' Doing 'Fastest Lap Of Manhattan'
assbot: "OBREZ MOSIN-NAGANT (SAWED-OFF) M91/30" - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00073991 = 3.7735 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: "Weld the front sight back on so we know what the fuck we are shooting at"
mircea_popescu: "The number one problem with paranoid world views is the lack of proof on either side. Nobody can disprove once and for all any of these rumors. If you believe but one of them, step by step you will have to distrust your politicians, your government, the press."
mircea_popescu: i suppose the answer to "why would one bother to rewrite the much better flame warriors guide in shitty prose" suddenly comes into view.
BingoBoingo: If this gambling site operator continues to court thedrinkingrecord for a sponsored post... At what point is accepting money for a labeled sponsored post worth it? 20 BTC?
kakobrekla: i suspekt thats why Corey joined here.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I thought Cory joined because we are cool and happening
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably. This is probably going to turn into a lulzy kako screencap convo. I mean seriously though. Targeting the personal blog and not the mega news outlet for sponsored whatevers.
kakobrekla: no idiot wrote to me in like a week :(
mircea_popescu: if you have any sense, come and grovel abjectly, who knows, maybe i'm feeling employer-y that day
mircea_popescu: same thing as if you're a "senior counsel" for the sec, or anything else.
mircea_popescu: maybe if you're lucky and they're all gaming stations or something.
assbot: Non-specialized hardware comparison - Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: My laptop can sustain 12 mh/s if I want to invite a fire hazard
kakobrekla: building the pyramids in egypt wasnt practical.
danielpbarron: conspicuous spending of wealth / signals strenth to other cultures
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Does Arc have release date yet?
assbot: Why Everyone Hates Go · npf.io
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074102 = 10.893 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Made me forget Arc was already born and died
BingoBoingo: Fact of the day: The original Ford LTD in adverisements boasted of having panty cloth seats.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00073975 = 14.2032 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Also if I impled I hit maximum hate yesterday... I was wrong.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> point is - even a wildly optimistic figure for yield gives you... the salary of a very skinny engineer. << these are mostly kids trying to escape from the mines and not knowing how to ask
mircea_popescu: you're in a peculiar situation, of a man married to his craft. kids don't have that problem.
mircea_popescu: they can come with the clothes on their back. or naked.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in the mines << As far as I can tell I am not allowed near the mines anymore
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform wonders what is his craft, that married, because it isn't programming - he actually loathes it with a passion difficult to describe << You love creating. You're an artist. Of course you despise programming. You'll prolly shit on the first loper machine you create
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i rejected three entirely different designs (different as in the diff b/w dataflow and von neumann) that did not even bother describing. perhaps archaeologists (or the vultures) can get something from my notes. << Now you are touching my view of qntra realized. Not as "news" but as cabinet of microfiche
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assbot: Ozymandias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever watch 'Breaking Bad' particularly the episode titled Ozymandias?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Homework. American seeing his end
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Series where they had an invisible chiral ladder
mircea_popescu: the narration of their concern that no, there will be nothing there in the end
mircea_popescu: it's like reading a comic book written by the author about himself.
BingoBoingo: Anyone know a way to get a laptop fan replacement from China that does not take a month?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's where the replacement fans live
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14703 @ 0.00074113 = 10.8968 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: This is the second fan in 3 years though. fan is a weak point
BingoBoingo: Only vendors want to ship only super cheap e-rate
BingoBoingo: Worst case I do like last summer and run naked laptop guts on a box fan
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> these things generally aren't built in a way where you can get to the bearing <asciilifeform> so, can't lubricate << This is why you flood the thing
kakobrekla: i thought you can get to the bearing, on some of these small fans you can .
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not the molded laptop gizmos, usually << Pry and Pry again
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> i thought you can get to the bearing, on some of these small fans you can . << Hard which is why I lean towards flooding it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i still can't fathom how one can own laptop and shy away from cleaning fan << Fan is clean, bearings worn
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: clean. then, 'silicone' or 'teflon' << As the online machine sounds like a bee sanctuary now a Mosin solution sounds more tempting than tender love.
mircea_popescu: cazalla & BingoBoingo : i am having a dedicated server comissioned for this job.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's expensive, but hey, was going to happen eventually anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00073893 = 8.313 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: while that proceeds (and it's a hot new datacenter where everyone wants a spot so it will take a few days) we'll continue to see sporadic service interruptions and so on.
cazalla: i'd love to know who is behind this and why
cazalla: BingoBoingo, and i sat here 14 days ago thinking this thing would take 6 months to get tracition
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, and i sat here 14 days ago thinking this thing would take 6 months to get tracition << Notice how I helped your sanity by not offering this time frame two weeks ago
cazalla: i guess trying to slip you up with "we need a name" didn't work
BingoBoingo: cazalla: So for a favicon/Twatter avatar... Orange Q over a deep purple background?
xinxi: yes, I known. auth verify, and then up
xinxi: I am wondering is there any automatic way to do so
xinxi: or I need to do these every time I come here.
mats_cd03: i pay the devil to keep me online in this channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22772 @ 0.00073821 = 16.8105 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, keep it grayscale imo
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How strong of authenticaton is a bouncer typically going to demand?
xinxi: oh, I can also run my emacs in my server.
xinxi: that’s actually a good idea
ben_vulpes: xinxi: extremely robust connection switchting, ideal for the laptop user.
xinxi: is there any emacs bios rom?
xinxi: that sounds cool tho.
assbot: Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project| Reuters
cazalla: speaking of twitter BingoBoingo, sgornick is yet to return to hand it over :\ i had the opportunity to register it myself but didn't bother
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well he'll return unless... bus accident
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r3wt: bout to do the 3 S's before bed
BingoBoingo: Getting a DOS out the ass because Mullenwang of Wordpress can't stop sucking that dick
r3wt: i had saw that someone had pinged looking for me in june on the otc site
r3wt: shower, sh*t, shave
r3wt: artifexd, you around?
r3wt: i quit smoking in march
r3wt: i quit drugs in february of 2013
BingoBoingo: Maybe if I didn't tobacco my laptop fan wouldn't need replaced annually
r3wt: i have an incredibly dull life. i wake up code all day, sleep repeat
r3wt: but anyone here who may have invested in openex or be owed some money, i got you. i got a real job now so i'm on the ascent again
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, this is two weeks day
r3wt: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
r3wt: remind me how to auth again?
r3wt: i just paste my address right?
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Qntra.net is a thing. It pissed people off. Attracts massive DOS attacks in its second week of life. Just take a minute to imagine yourself as a newsman.
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2165f1dc184c18a321305fa5ee114f7bf3b9034ae14ca673225fc187
r3wt: no i have to sign with bitcoin-core
r3wt: just waiting on it to load
r3wt: i still don't get it about Qntra.net
danielpbarron: if you're smart enough to not use a web-wallet, you should be smart enough to GPG
BingoBoingo: Wait you run bitcoin core, and not a saner 0.5-0.8?
r3wt: you summoned me on june 05 2014, do you remember why?
BingoBoingo: <r3wt> i still don't get it about Qntra.net << Cunt, raw is basically just a coindesk/Cryptocoinnews killer, No big deal
r3wt: alright, did you have coins on OpenEx maybe?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: He ran an atc exchange. It failed
r3wt: pm me your username, i can check if you did
artifexd: At one time, yeah. I pulled them all off though.
r3wt: oh ok. well i'm trying to hunt down all my loose ends and make sure they've been tied off
BingoBoingo: ;;rate r3wt 1 asshole. Fucker. Destructive. Not that bad in context.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user r3wt has been recorded.
artifexd: I'm fairly certain that you don't owe me anything.
artifexd: I am certain enough to not negrate you about it. :)
BingoBoingo: r3wt: If you can figure out how to auth you can up yourself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19774 @ 0.00073756 = 14.5845 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8de1384f466bb5e40b3674399986491cf19a87fd964ee18c0fcc1324
r3wt: ;;bcverify GxlztlR855hC+cyycwgJ5jFhmOLa3Scm3AkaY5QYHizO8p737n256OS6467Uke2uDAL7zIG+J25ykq9XQ/pG9kI=
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
artifexd: r3wt: you need to pm that to assbot
r3wt: nice, thanks for the lesson
gribble: Current Blocks: 325526 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1065 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36244226609.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.54759
r3wt: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 asshole. Fucker. Destructive. not that bad in context.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 325076.50 in 132 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.69
r3wt: ;;rating BingoBoingo
gribble: Error: "rating" is not a valid command.
r3wt: ;;gettrust BingoBoingo
artifexd: Like ;;rate <<name>> <<rating>> <<explaination>>
artifexd: ;;rate r3wt 1 Ran failed exchange but appears capable of learning
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user r3wt has been recorded.
r3wt: does this mean i am supposed to give you a rating now?
artifexd: You give ratings according to what you want. It isn't a tit-for-tat thing.
r3wt: well you seem like a nice person,
r3wt: i'm just too nice in general
artifexd: Although, you will often find rating appear in pairs because many ratings are in response to specific events that involve both individuals. Hence it is appropriate for both to rate.
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Ratings are near the opposite of a tit for tat if done right
r3wt: wait til trade fortress finds out i have a otc profile
r3wt: i'll have like -quintillion trust
nubbins`: i have poor rating reciprocity
r3wt: ;;gettrust nubbins`
BingoBoingo: Been nearly a year since TradeFortress Broke Broke
r3wt: yeah, him and blazr logged in this week to give me negative trust
r3wt: now i have the pretty red paint on my forum profile again
artifexd: Remember that, sometimes, a negative rating can be a good thing. Depending on the rater.
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Who has the most negative forum trust you see
r3wt: when bitmit was online, i used to stalk Gar255's auctions and bid them to 50k+
r3wt: shilling auctions is low
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00073882 = 9.0875 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 177.53316 bitcoins offered at or under 400.0 USD, worth 70780.2051744 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0352 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00073695 = 13.8547 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.45, Best ask: 395.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 396.01, 24 hour volume: 17778.40642803, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 403.0, 24 hour vwap: 393.376165
gribble: Error: "niggers.txt" is not a valid command.
assbot: Weed Protects You From Ebola - Sasquatch Glass
r3wt: i just wanted some forum trust, gah
r3wt: some pretty green numbers
r3wt: i know, i was trying to "buy trust" according to Vod and the fag alliance
r3wt: Vod is a footstool for Blazr and Tradefortress.
r3wt: he does what he's told
BingoBoingo: I doubt that, VOd is his own monster, that's what makes him Peter.
BingoBoingo: So Imma blow in the meter. People got guesses on my BAC???
TheNewDeal: how many drinks over how many hours is that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00073828 = 12.9568 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I dunno how many people follow baseball, but in the last hour tonight has become a bad time to make me unhappy.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoin inelasticity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00073891 = 1.1786 BTC [+]
r3wt: ;;isitdown openex.info
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00074062 = 11.3685 BTC [+] {3}
r3wt: eat a peach nigga, life is peachy
TheNewDeal: qntra and trilema down. fuck it i'm out
BingoBoingo: No, Matheney is going to spoil the I-70 series by losing out
BingoBoingo: And on top of it all Matheney is anti-porn
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00073693 = 28.6666 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14539 @ 0.00074126 = 10.7772 BTC [+] {2}
r3wt: well good night peeps
cazalla: glad i didn't post that pm in here
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Ur internet is slow, forgivable sin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007367 = 5.0096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074019 = 13.6935 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00073839 = 10.9651 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: looks like dos is over for now
RagnarDanneskjol: dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 02:20:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla & BingoBoingo : i am having a dedicated server comissioned for this job.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073714 = 8.256 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: [A Decentralized Public Key Infrastructure with Identity Retention]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9773 @ 0.00073713 = 7.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4751 @ 0.00073717 = 3.5023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00073717 = 3.0961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00073969 = 3.1466 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00073693 = 13.6332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15838 @ 0.00074026 = 11.7242 BTC [+]
assbot: A public resignation. | Moolah
assbot: Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence that CEO of Troubled Bitcoin Exchange Moolah Is Long-Time Scammer
fluffypony: I hope those Dogecoiners learnt their lesson
BigBitz: I hope he gets nailed to the wall this time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00073878 = 23.508 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16994 @ 0.00073715 = 12.5271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8172 @ 0.00073709 = 6.0235 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: BigBitz: yeah I was going to ask you about that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00073986 = 3.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20823 @ 0.0007369 = 15.3445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13931 @ 0.00073904 = 10.2956 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: they got like the triple whammy, down market, bad earnings, and hbo announced theyre going solo
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cazalla: so circle email me, what a copy of my ID etc, good luck bros fuck that
Adlai: what have you been doing with your account?
cazalla: nothing, few deposits, btc withdrawls, no $$$ or bitcoin in there thankfully
cazalla: " Unfortunately, our system has been unable to verify some aspects of the identity information that you provided. At your convenience, please submit a scanned copy of a government issued photo ID, such as a passport or drivers license."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00073787 = 10.0542 BTC [-]
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bounce: the world just isn't cool enough. sorry.
fluffypony: cazalla, why don't you just stick CloudFlare in front of it until you guys have the infrastructure sorted?
RagnarDanneskjol: i told him to look into digi ocean - they have built-in 'guaranteed anti DOS and are about as reliable as anything I have found - its what many of the large pools run on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5698 @ 0.00073716 = 4.2003 BTC [-] {2}
wywialm: Hello, do you know why qntra is not working and when may it start to?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.00073705 = 14.0128 BTC [-]
xinxi: Apocalyptic - I have added the orderbook onto the homepage
xinxi: so you can see the orderbook without login now.
mats_cd03: so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS?
mats_cd03: i am clueless about web derping and such things.
RagnarDanneskjol: it provides the illusion of security - that warm fuzzy feeling
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - right.
xinxi: people who are not familiar with these technologies may think this is safe.
xinxi: another illusion is that it can be used to identify whether it is a phishing site or not.
mats_cd03: so there is no practical reason to use it?
xinxi: anyway, many people like illusions. that’s why I use it.
RagnarDanneskjol: how many plugs for your gambling site can you work into each conversation do you think
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - are you asking me?
xinxi: it’s not gambling.
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xinxi: They are different.
xinxi: Mine is an exchange.
bounce:
https is the "best current practice" any time people end up having to feed "personal details" and such into forms. username/password for starters.
xinxi: and you can trade volatility
bounce: it's better than to not use it, but it is easily done wrong and then there's the whole problem of the PKI industry
xinxi: you can also use the black-scholes model to price the options.
RagnarDanneskjol: so ont you recall that looooong conversation about options w/ mp where you took several hours to FINALLY come out with your actual intentions - -to enroll a 'market maker' aka bagholder for your site??
xinxi: yeah, I recall. you are right, I needed a market maker to provide liquidity. but that does not mean it’s a gambling site, right?
xinxi: CBOE also has market makers.
mats_cd03: it is a red flag for everyone in this chan if the biggest player in the game is unwilling to MM his own options, xinxi
mats_cd03: at the least it implies a fundamental uncertainty in the game, and at worst malfeasance
mats_cd03: this is what ragnar means when he says 'gambling site'. correct me if i'm wrong RagnarDanneskjol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00073538 = 12.1705 BTC [-] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: just trying to keep things real here - you asked for feedback. your sig on the forum claims your site is the FIRST options exchange - you clearly demonstrated that you were aware of the options emporium prior to now. you also have no experience running a business (or even having a real job) and failed to demonstrate any reason why you are better suited to run this than a 15 year old sc
RagnarDanneskjol: ript kiddie. - other than """"I have been trading FX for more than seven years and I made enough money for me to live for the following 5 years even if I don't work at all. So It makes little sense for me to run away with your money """
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.07, Best ask: 384.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 383.04, 24 hour volume: 17282.36997204, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 389.528943129
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00073497 = 3.8586 BTC [-]
gribble: Premium of Bitstamp over BTC-E is currently 1.30003384954 %.
gabriel_laddel: mats_cd03: RagnarDanneskjol: oh, the fuzzy border between fraud and incompetence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00073867 = 6.3821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14160 @ 0.00073931 = 10.4686 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so qntra was back for a coupla hours there, but down again now lol.
wywialm: the only thing visible is the IIS screen. Does qntra run on MSFT soft?:)
mircea_popescu: wywialm it should just be a closed connection, page you see is whatever your browser feeds you
mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
☟︎☟︎ wywialm: and sadly, trilema is down as well
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 377.15, Best ask: 378.85, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 378.85, 24 hour volume: 19177.01825759, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 388.182705885
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Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, looks like your servers are having a tough time
mircea_popescu: well this is a tiny thing was supposed to hold you know, low traffic blogs
kakobrekla: so much of traffic these days is BS bots
kakobrekla: i have been getting shitload "?action=register" bots for some time now
kakobrekla: funny thing is that same ones are coming back again and again
kakobrekla: "o no wp here? lets try again in a few hours."
mircea_popescu: lmao. pro tip : if you put Deny from 50.97.161.229 in your droplist ;;isitdown will say it's down.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.09, Best ask: 374.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.41000, Last trade: 374.5, 24 hour volume: 19991.90119018, 24 hour low: 374.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 387.533001503
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19780 @ 0.00073521 = 14.5425 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073722 = 8.2569 BTC [+]
wywialm: by the way, is there any doc regarding the working of the deedBot?
mircea_popescu: wywialm well the deedbot is atm dead, but being reimplemented
pete_dushenski: everyone ready for another full day of ddosing and watching the dow bleed?
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nothing like that can happen. aren't you aware the dow is the penis of the biggest greatest richest most important country IN THE COUNTRY !?>!?!
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
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pete_dushenski: "This is so stupid on so many levels." << lol and gpg signed
kakobrekla: does it exist a collection of ips of such fucktarded bots
mircea_popescu: you know this is perhaps a good point... and trilema has a shitton of them
assbot: NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it was indeed over the growth SLOWdown they reported,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25498 @ 0.00073543 = 18.752 BTC [-] {3}
Apocalyptic: pete_dushenski, I thought you were actually joking
assbot: NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
Apocalyptic: when you will see -25% on GOOG or AAPL that would be the day
mircea_popescu: yesterday's log about what's news and what isn't will be so lulzy once ~that one~ qntra article ends up in the position of the stormcaller, greatest news piece ever published etc etc...
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wywialm: pete_dushenski, re the Dow: you should rather see the euro stoxx index
wywialm: and greece bond yields climb again, we may see two digits very soon :)
wywialm: in eu, only poland strong today
bounce: wasn't about what's news but what's newswriting. doesn't matter if it turns out to be prophetic later; prophecy isn't the function of the newsreporter.
mircea_popescu: mayhap you confuse the newsman with the archeologist ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15540 @ 0.00073855 = 11.4771 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: like you know, math isn't news, even considering most people don't know it.
thickasthieves: semantics is the new debate destroyer havent you heard
thickasthieves: whenever someone is defining something differently than you, just say semantics and they lose
mircea_popescu: in other news today, mp loves pulling people's chains.
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - the sig was added before I came here and knew MPOE. I’ll definitely revise it.
xinxi: thanks for letting me know.
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gabriel_laddel: ;; rate xinxi -2 doesn't understand that he doesn't understand English, or is fraudster/incompetent
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00073791 = 16.8612 BTC [-] {3}
mats_cd03: relax a bit, gabriel_laddel. guy's new.
thickasthieves: we got him on watch, dunno if he's done anything outright scam yet
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RagnarDanneskjol: if you read his logs-and his innane discussions on the forum -its pretty clear.. I very rarely accuse anyone of actually being deceitful
mircea_popescu: more interested in the general point tbh, i have no idea what this kid's story is, but in general derpy newcomers with a drive and deceitful scammers with a plan would look quite similar, at least during the first 1k lines or w/e, i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00073986 = 1.5537 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol im not saying that persona jkudgement is invalid in any case. obviously all we have to go on is the judgement entered by individuals. but i think the general point is nevertheless interesting, how does one tell ?
mircea_popescu: just as long as it doesn't reduce to a "she's a woman/politician/newbie and her lips are moving so -> lying"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, where have all the "are women more deceitful than men" studies gone ?
bounce: the low end scam is fairly obvious to spot with a little experience looking at the patters in -otc
mircea_popescu: i mean, i didn't pick up anything whatsoever in the case of this xinxi guy. nor did i look into it in any depth. however, consider the case of the r3wt kid. now there, i did pick up roughly the same vibe i imagine you peeps are discussing. and yet, months later,
mircea_popescu: "r3wt: alright, did you have coins on OpenEx maybe? r3wt: but anyone here who may have invested in openex or be owed some money, i got you. i got a real job now so i'm on the ascent again"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00073474 = 2.6451 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in any case, pattern matching is just by-hand bayesian filtering. it sort-of works, but it isn't a solution or anything
bounce: didn't quite follow that, but one might surmise there's a fine line between stupidity and malice
mircea_popescu: from an investment perspective, no. from a community perspective, however, yes.
mircea_popescu: in fact, making that difference is the absolute best form of charity
mircea_popescu: to make it plainer, how does a single woman distinguish a suitor from a serial killer ? they both approach her.
mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, the true driving force behind the "impropriety" trend, that took skirts from the ankle to the hip and women from no partners to a dozen a decade.
mircea_popescu: this simple fact : the only solution is a wot, and when most men have fucked most women the serial killers stand out like sore thumbs.
mircea_popescu: this is why we can't be both rich and pure, and this is why islam in its present state has no future.
bounce: so we have less serial kills, less serial rapes, and so on now?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, can you elaborate futher on the islam part?
mircea_popescu: bounce nope. of course not. however, the incidence per sex act is lower, for one, and the woman that cares to think can pretty well avoid them.
mircea_popescu: (in the narrow definition that she doesn't go with one, abducions aren't in our universe here)
mircea_popescu: wywialm the only notable innovation islam a sa christian sect brings is the hard (and somewhat antiquated) requirement for a certain split of the gender roles.
mircea_popescu: if it gives that up it simply becomes yet another protestantism.
bounce: not going to happen, that with its vendor lock-in
wywialm: by the way, how one can obtain historical data of MPEx stocks, as well as the most recent prices?
mircea_popescu: recent prices you can query the bots or the jsons. historical gotta talk to someone who has been doing the querying.
wywialm: you do not store historical quotes, do you?
bounce: dunno. peak of incidence seems to've bean the 80s
mircea_popescu: if the pop was 100mn in 1944, and the average woman fucked 0.1 men a decade, that's 5mn fucks that decade. if you had 500 rapes that's 100 rpm
mircea_popescu: if today the average woman fucks 12 men this decade, that's 1.8bn fucks. if you have 15k rapes that
mircea_popescu: even without accounting for the inflation of rape brought through redefinition.
mircea_popescu: if you read sexus, half the stuff in there would be prosecuted today, it was all good fun and in the spirit of sportsmanship at the time.
bounce: right enough about the population growth. and the mores. at the same time we're also opener about having the sex; they still fucked around in victorian england, just everyone pretended it didn't happen in public
mircea_popescu: i don't think what they did would meet my definition of fucking, dunno about yours
bounce hasn't made a study about it
mircea_popescu: but they had no half'n'half, which from what i hear from other people's wives is the standard fare these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0007345 = 9.0711 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: sheesh, that's some tortured english. that's what you get for discussing killing and raping, eh
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mircea_popescu: at any rate, my argument here is that the very reason "we" are more open about it is because WOMEN are more open about it, and they are more open about it because their safety requires it and they finally figured it out
bounce: eh, can't be arsed to try and make a nice graph out of serial kills / total pop over time
mircea_popescu: well you have the excuse you're not an anthropologist, so not really your job to do that anyway.
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bounce: well, assuming so, that'd mean they're becoming more independent. less excuse to hide behind a strong man and so on.
mircea_popescu: right. and speaking of the victorians, they most definitely didn't have the current highschool/college situation, where pretty much every girl has fucked pretty much every guy,
mircea_popescu: unless it wasn't worth the hassle because her friends did and meh
bounce: the serial killer statistics are too marginal to really drive this though, so it'd have to be perception or something else. can't be the sole driver.
mircea_popescu: humans are meta machines, the PERCEPTION of the danger is the driver, not the actual danger.
mircea_popescu: and for the single woman with no contacts, the situation is fucking terrifing. so this guy asked you out. well ?
moriarty: think of perception as inputs to the machine
moriarty: and you don't need to consider meta anything
bounce: well, yeah, "terrism" is keeping our rulers busy but realistically the risk is less than getting raped then murdered by $improbable_ethnic
bounce: let's assemble a pop band out of $improbable_ethic roughnecks and float them on the stock market
mircea_popescu: and "terrorism" is a fantastic driver of behaviour. i have all these reports about adults, ADULTS!!11 mind you, freezing in their tracks because the kindergarten caregiver has said so.
mircea_popescu: but i'm rooting for twister being introduced by the tsa
ben_vulpes: humans can't handle statistics. big disaster with 0% likelihood freezes the brain in its place.
bounce is still groping for the reasons why the ruli^Wpoliticking elite likes it so much
mircea_popescu: or w/e that thing is called where teenagers try to touch colored spots in order to have an excuse to rub together
assbot: Twister (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: but touching colored spots (to the tongue) for an excuse to rub together
bounce: moriarty: do you have a script messaging everybody in the channel about ##econometrics or something?
kakobrekla: hm, i just emailed instructions for my host in de to my host in fr.
moriarty: bounce, ##econometrics is awesome
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla .de, .fr, early version of gpg keys. hope they can't decode ? :D
bounce: that isn't an answer to the question
moriarty: bounce, so i just got laid with a hot russian babe
ben_vulpes: ##econometrics has its moments, but it's mostly people arguing about noise in the signal
moriarty: ben_vulpes, noise is to those who are unable to understand the signal
ben_vulpes: the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world"
☟︎ bounce: depends. was there quite a while but left. apparently the spammer doesn't remember.
mircea_popescu: considering how much they spent implanting the nonsense in the skull, it ain't never coming out.
bounce: should run for senate then, eh.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd. << you know the interestin thing about humans is, the talented musician/painter/we can transform the brownian motion of the atmosphere into signal.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, it worked fine back when there was one of these idiots per university. at 1k unis and 400 seats it was still feasible.
mircea_popescu: but by now, with half a million of them choking reddit and "social media"...
mircea_popescu: (and that "back then" time is probably captured in road trip. tom green is the stereotypical libertard, 1990s version)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they multiplied to the degree they're the premier failure mode of the young adult.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00073986 = 3.6253 BTC [+]
bounce: sounds like a serious luxury problem
mircea_popescu: "Citizens capable of contributing to the development of a sustainable society must first develop empathy. This empathy will be developed through an advanced awareness of oppression and inequity that exists at a local and national level. Students will become aware of inequities, examine why these inequities exist, understand the concept of institutionalized privilege, and recognize systematized oppression (e.g. indiv
mircea_popescu: idual, institutional, and societal). " << ironically, they got there by actually FOLLOWING the education system
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the failure modes in history prior to that, which resulted from failing to follow the educational paradigm
mircea_popescu: i guess this is what you get when you adapt the schooling to "the needs and capacities" of the students.
bounce: thus we conclude that successful socialism is a good way to bring down society
ben_vulpes: put it on felt pads for ease of moving and cleaning
ben_vulpes: and now the damn thing squeaks abominably during any vigorous motion
ben_vulpes: *mid-bed leg bends slightly, overcomes static friction, jitters across floor*
mircea_popescu: maybe only now have you finaly matured sexually, are fucking correctly ?
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i expect my tools to stand up to abuse
ben_vulpes: mill chatter? bed complain? hammer crack?
bounce: artificial creaking device for unbreakable beds. kickstarter, take it away!
bounce: actually, wasn't there already an app for that?
jurov: mircea_popescu:i see you sent punkman's 10000 s.bbet shares to coinbr?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc << the domains aren't the problem.
mircea_popescu: i got "* [jurov] is away (Auto away at Thu Oct 16 00:16:03 2014)"
bounce: then again, it's not as bad as that. the socialists build their own old boys club and pass cushy jobs back and forth. well-paid jobs "helping" various types of the needy with plenty of taxpayer money. all the elitism, now with extra pretense.
jurov: oh now i see ... an complaint from otr plugin that you sent unencrypted msg :)
mircea_popescu: "I would like to start by saying that in context of the below, my identity is irrelevant. My identity becomes relevant if I break the law, which is something that neither myself nor my employees have done. " herp. "i am resigning. who is 'i' ? don't ask! and take my anon claim at face value as to everything else"
mircea_popescu: jurov oddly it said nothing back to me. otr's a fucking mess ;/
mircea_popescu: and they have this tendency to imagine that pretending about pretending is going to solve all their problems.
frb: uh, thanks for the voice, is it because you know i'm admin. of 8chan.co or is it just random mircea_popescu ?
frb: because if you have questions i can answer them
mircea_popescu: frb i generally up new names, see if they're going to say something stupid or not
frb: oh, hehe. i'm not new, i idle in here for a long time.
frb: a dangerous terrorist organization, apparently
frb: we've been featured in MSNBC, CNN and CBS in the last week
frb: someone sent em 13BTC yesterday
frb: it's like 4chan but you make your own board.
frb: what would that entail?
mircea_popescu: that when i say .bait your bot spits out a link to an image
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mircea_popescu: frb anyway, what's this news thing i'm missing ? all that google returns are two hits on x-box something or the other.
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assbot: Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats
assbot: Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
frb: "Female game developer forced to flee her home after horrific 8chan rape and murder threats in latest sexism scandal plaguing industry
mircea_popescu: this is serendipitious, ppl kept derping at me to revive dtng
assbot: Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
frb: "horrific 8chan rape and murder threats" lmao
frb: they fundamentally misunderstand my site, basically.
frb: i'm moving to the philippines in 10 days.
frb: i have a partnership with 2channel, 2ch.net
frb: biggest japanese BBS.
frb: i'm not sure mircea_popescu. i have idled in this channel for a long time and never said anything, so i thought it was significant :)
frb: also we talked before, i am "kopipe" on bitcointalk forums.
frb: but i don't use them much now.
frb: in fact, since an anonymous donor sent me 13 BTC - i thought it could even be you and you were letting me know.
frb: sorry for jumping to conclusions.
frb: if you don't want me in here, that's fine. lol
mircea_popescu: hey, some of my biggest readers are indignant mainstream "jouralist" chicks
mircea_popescu: people gotta get used with the idea that their lives are in danger anyway.
frb: so, racequeen.ph is in the philippines. that is our parent company.
thickasthieves: this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on
frb: we are the international division of 2ch
mircea_popescu: their government failed, and this is what happens when your government fails.
frb: gamergate is not interesting at all thickasthieves, i am just benefiting frmo it by providing a free speech imageboard for them.
bounce: too bad you can't just buy up a country and add some new management
frb: 2ch is the largest BBS in japan, it receives 5,000 posts per minute at peak period.
bounce: you may prove me wrong
mircea_popescu: frb if you can prove you haveadmin access to 8chan.co i'll rate you
frb: would an email from admin@8chan.co suffice?
bounce: how much in the way of staff do you have running the thing?
mircea_popescu: shit this is such a relief, i was seriously considering i'll have to open a chan
frb: sent to office at polimedia dot us.
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kakobrekla: good call, having a dedi bot makes it easy to ignore.
kakobrekla wonders if he is the only one to see that as noise
bounce doesn't think of that as signal, no
mircea_popescu: i see it as an invaluable tool to keep the overton window wide enough so actual stuff of value can occur.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys.
bounce: there's got to be a "broad" pun in there... somewhere
assbot: /pone/ - My Little Pony
kakobrekla: so only pussy makes one broader, not the dick?
mircea_popescu: ;;google seinfeld kramer "what if it's so true your head is spinning like a top!"
jurov checks if it has /bara/
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mircea_popescu: "Hi guys Decided to post this here to see if I could find more people interested in this project. I am Cruel-Cherry one of the guys making the game named "Project Cherry" (working title) A game thats about raping little lolis in cruel ways."
mircea_popescu: o.o i think we have actually found the bottom of the internets.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys. < next time you wannat a real fuck, flit through 3 .baits. its all the same, isnt it?
nubbins`: <+thickasthieves> this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on << i've avoided the whole thing until i stumbled across an article the other day about that sarkeesian woman
nubbins`: bomb threat asshole says he's going to recreate the montreal massacre
nubbins`: i hope they find him and cut his dick off with a cheese grater
kakobrekla: as far as i understood .jpg will keep you as wide as the real thing. well maybe not .jpg, but a .gif.
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : if it's okay to post pronz, it's okay to be stupid.
mircea_popescu: people need to be able to be stupid because noobs are stupid.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, everyone has an endless capacity for stupidity, and if we're too cool we'll self-censor ourselves into extinction.
kakobrekla: posting a pic here and there is not same as dedi bot for vex and tsp fap to
thickasthieves: ok i have a question about this block size thing, supposing it stays is, couldnt miners just specialize if size became an issue? As in, big mining ops would filter big fees, small mining ops small fees. Then further extend this to nodes, where a node provider could make a custom wallet that automatically broadcasted the tx to itseld and the blockchain at large, and you pay a fee to them
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the hard fork is a problem, mostly because they're trying to introduce a whole slew of 0days into the protocol itself.
mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.
mircea_popescu: they could just as well retire, because they can no longer actually contribute. but if they don't want to retire they can hang around as lolcow fodder.
mircea_popescu: the matter of them actually adding something however is closed.
thickasthieves: but i was more asking whether my specific examples work
nubbins`: put it in another chan if you want it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7346 @ 0.00073688 = 5.4131 BTC [-]
nubbins`: regarding forks, why not just make S.BTCD and hire someone who's not a puppet to maintain the codebase?
bounce: isn't that thing being maintained already?
bounce: o_O haven't paid attention tho
nubbins`: seems the simplest solution to suspicions of codebase being diddled, no?
bounce: if it wasn't full of diddles to start with
nubbins`: hire someone to sit down with 0.5/0.6, merge sensible changes from newer revisions, toss the cruft and backdoors
nubbins`: mircea_popescu my attitude, i guess
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, the problem being that the "more of the same" filter google uses is actually conterproductive to intelligence
mircea_popescu: gotta expose people to things they wouldn't seek on their own. it's the very point of rape in the first place.
nubbins`: thickasthieves: at leas then you get to choose which backdoors you adopt 8)
bounce: backdoors by democratic vote? there's an idea.
bounce: what happened to that ground-up rewrite though?
nubbins`: well, i mean, who's to say chetty isn't putting backdoors into eulora and 5 years from now everybody's account gets drained?
bounce hasn't paid attention there
nubbins`: bounce ground-up rewrite will never happen
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nobody, but then again eulora doesn't claim to be "decentralised yo"
nubbins`: anyway, i'm sure all these people running patched 0.5-0.6 would love a package maintainer
bounce: "bitstamp announces unverified customer fund giveaway to government"
TomServo: heh - I wonder what kind of numbers they're talking about in those accounts.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu this is the true detriment of not being able to code
nubbins`: you're utterly dependent on others
bounce: you'd be that even if you could code, for larger projects. it's just easier to see when you're being led down the garden path.
Adlai: coding is the new literacy
nubbins`: "how do i know brainwallet.org isn't stealing my keys?"
Adlai had to help a shopper in the supermarket find the right kind of rice a few weeks ago, realized it was the first time in his life he'd met a truly illiterate person
nubbins`: well, you don't, but if you can read a bit of code, at least you'll feel like less of a rube when you get robbed
nubbins`: Adlai my old man used to supervise seafarer/mariner exams
Adlai: it took around half a minute to realize that no, she hadn't forgotten glasses at home, it wasn't a language issue. she just couldn't read.
nubbins`: more than once, he allowed men to bring their wives into the exam room so they could read out the questions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6454 @ 0.00073688 = 4.7558 BTC [-]
Adlai: "very large value transactions are typically secured by real-world contracts, long-established trust relationships, lawyers, and court systems." - chief scientist of the trustless money foundation
Adlai: i think they went to summer camp together
mircea_popescu: somebody send him the gpg contracts article, and perhaps read it to him too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073436 = 8.2248 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: guy in the middle has best hat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00073426 = 23.4229 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it means the idiocy derps who refuse to submit but like to pretend they're part of bitcoin hide behind.
mircea_popescu: sorta like i'm going "oh, you're just the sec lawyer ? get a gpg we'll talk"
assbot: Robert Plant Interview - Imgur
thestringpuller: what if the SEC lawyer did get GPG? would you actually talk to them?
xinxi: i am quite surprised and felt quite sorry that I offended so many people.
Adlai: possibly stupid question about WoT... doesn't it rely on everybody trusting gribble? what does it offer over the regular PGP trust model?
mircea_popescu: Adlai well other than the regular pgp being incredibly broken in so many ways,
bounce: yes, and its operator, but it's a lot more convenient than gepoking the keyservers every time
thestringpuller: hmmm i never thought of that. can you submit a rating without gribble...
thestringpuller: in theory there could be another point of entry without sacrificing security because gribble auths via gpg
Adlai: right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble?
xinxi: anyway, I won’t talk about my site here anymore.
Adlai isn't sure what keywords to search for, to find a conversation he's never seen before
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - no offense taken - but NICE JOB workin in one more plug for the site.. you''re a pro
Adlai: it'd be nice if search.bitcoin-assets.com had equivalents to grep's -[ABC]
Adlai: -A = after context, -B = before context, -C = both
rithm: i usually do -N to get the lines around it myself
atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 29k@225 | 28k@190 70k@180 100k@175
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 193k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 197
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326133.84 in 109 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.64
rithm: what the fuck is ATC
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - I’ve already applogized for my offense.
nubbins`: <+Adlai> right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble? << then you're fucked
rithm: none of those number make any sense to me
Adlai: rithm: they're Altcoin prices, in whole numbers of satoshi
rithm: make them die a horrible death and go away
mircea_popescu: there may still be some straggler legitimate users caught in a 404 through no fault of their own, but mostly it's bots trying to be all haxxor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7730 @ 0.00073881 = 5.711 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: (the wp-comment lines are in there legitimately, btw. the way trilema works is that if an ip has a previous comment spamlisted, further connections are rejected outright. so these are all spammers, and can be used as such)
mircea_popescu: 191.235.134.39 "POST /wp-comments-post.php << stuff like this
jurov: qntra.net resolves to localhost now?
jurov: i forgot what i have on my machin and got scared for a second
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2014 15:58:12; ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 12:13:49; ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens.
assbot: CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta suits up in Ebola protective ... - YouTube
Adlai: five years from now, Dr Sanjay Gupta releases a documentary about how Ebola is actually healthy
mircea_popescu: assbot: Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence <<< lol doge leaders sounds so funny.
pete_dushenski: "I give up. Do it yourself: config.tar" << from blogs.b-a
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00073726 = 5.2345 BTC [-]
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
thickasthieves: i'm speaking for him, with no good reason, but my guess is he sees the extremism turning to cultism, turning to delusion
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, guy got butthurt over some linux discussion
thickasthieves: and pete's blog kinda illustrates my example perfectly
assbot: The Difference Between Weak Hands And Strong Hands | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: so a guy agrees, a guy doesn't agree, big deal either way.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall the last time someone was required to believe something they didn't lol.
mircea_popescu: but in communist romania things worked better, apparently.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re cultishness thickasthieves : the one datapoint i have so far is that b-a broke the cultish misinterpretation of how to use wot/ratings prevalent prior to its existence.
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in some bruised wot accounts, danielpbarron being perhaps the best example
thickasthieves: i dont think it;s something to be defensive about so much as internally sensitive to
mircea_popescu: but as far as any sane measure can be had, this is the only open bitcoin space
mircea_popescu: i dun really see the value to the entire sensitivity.h include.
mircea_popescu: which is what the entire cause vs purpose discussion is all about.
thickasthieves: its also why i pressed you about the article you wrote
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS? << it's not actually useful.
kakobrekla: for the purpose of keeping chumps happy.
mircea_popescu: bounce: it's better than to not use it, <<< this is perhaps the longest endless discussion i don't feel like having. is it better to have loved a whore or to not have gotten the pox at all ?! etc.
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
thickasthieves: ;;later tell asciilifeform New imac - 27-inch display. 5210 x 2880 pixels. - no word on bits yet
jurov: iirc he wants RGB pixels
jurov: whereas pentile is RGBY where RG and BY are mapped to two pixels
jurov: i have pentile display (lenovo yoga 2) so did some research why some patterns suck
jurov: obv there are color rendition problems (esp. saturated yellow) but text is crisp, i'm satisfied
jurov: also, i use it only away from home, i do most work on on desktop
thickasthieves: with the imac you could see all the warts on your porn
mircea_popescu: i suppose that goes a long way to explain it huh, as long as your fonts are a cm tall 1k or 5k px are all about the same
xinxi: OK, the issue between RagnarDanneskjol and me was just resolved.
xinxi: he has something to do at this moment.
xinxi: I just talked to him.
xinxi: we just tried to understand each other.
ben_vulpes: was he on your case for plugging your site?
xinxi: he talked about it.
ben_vulpes: p. sure everyone in here does that pretty regularly for their own projects.
jurov has "startx -- --dpi 166" on the yoga and the text is still 3mm or so. exactly as it should.
mats_cd03: that thing is so troublesome with linux.
jurov: i have linux in emulator, use that windows 8 crap only as loader and hw interface
mats_cd03: the touchpad regularly dies, so i have to run a script with the sleep daemon to wake it up whenever
xinxi: now I am relieved and going to sleep. talk to you guys tomorrow.
mats_cd03: but the touchscreen works with suse drivers outta the box. funny how that works.
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
mats_cd03: people in here take themselves too seriously
jurov: and they use to relieve themselves before sleeping. news at 11
Adlai: Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly." Master Ittei commented, "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."
ben_vulpes: pet the sweaty things and don't sweat the petty things?
jurov: and then matters one should not concern with at all.. you know
Adlai: gribble: you keep using that tense, but i'm not sure it means what you think it does
assbot: anonabox : a Tor hardware router by August Germar — Kickstarter
assbot: New 2014 300Mbps WT3020A Multiprotocol Portable Mini WIFI Router with USB data line Wireless Router wi fi Free Shipping-in Wireless Routers from Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10695 @ 0.00073993 = 7.9136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22105 @ 0.00074008 = 16.3595 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: why do I get the feeling that gaming kickstarter is its own business model?
kakobrekla: imagine doing that and then actually doing something smart with the money.
kakobrekla: running is smart if you need some exercise.
ascii_on_tour: 5210 x 2880 << that's one of the mac-with-lcd combo boxes, so extra $1k for comp that i haven't any use for. but i'm told that one can plug in an external cable.
ascii_on_tour: kickstarter scam << actual scam. quite like if i were to ship a repainted 'raspberry' as cardano
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.75, Best ask: 375.96, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 374.74, 24 hour volume: 19526.71241981, 24 hour low: 371.84, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: 384.202633642
ascii_on_tour: and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back?
kakobrekla: i mean, 100k a planet, somewhere between earth and mars... id move.
mats_cd03: i cackled when i saw the 600k figure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00073976 = 17.192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11597 @ 0.00074034 = 8.5857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074053 = 7.2572 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Whorehouse / Going Down | Ep. 912 | Beavis and Butt-Head | Full Episode Video | MTV
mats_cd03: you will see a tell later when you identify as alf.
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2014 19:49:38; asciilifeform: the people who did that kickstart, for instance, are separated from their true motherland - the uranium mines - for so long as the money lasts them.
assbot: Turbo Encabulator - YouTube
assbot: CDC Releases Revised Ebola Management Policy for Healthcare Workers: Just Burn Everything - GomerBlog
thestringpuller: +mircea_popescu ;;seen smickles << He's on Steam sometimes and we have been meaning to play some games. Must feel good to be retired.
assbot: Rockwell Turbo Encabulator Version 2 - YouTube
cazalla: frb, are you the dude in the wheelchair?
cazalla: or maybe that is the 7chan guy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00073726 = 3.2439 BTC [-]
r3wt: Bingo Boingo: still authenticating
bounce: "new computer insensitive catalog no." -- we need more of those
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 325881.43 in 107 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.65
assbot: Bitcoin Group Seeks to Launch World's First Bitcoin IPO
assbot: Today i lost my only bitcoin :( : Bitcoin
bounce: they've started closing accounts? their "final notice" promises 28 days, presumably from the 16th onward
ascii_on_tour: gave up << reminds me of a convo i once had with brother. me: 'worked all day trying to fix [car], and so bitten by mosquitoes that eventually surrendered.' — he: 'surrendered to mosquitoes?'
thestringpuller: ascii_on_tour: what would he have said if you said 'surrendered to the car'
BingoBoingo: Surrendered to mosquitoes and car it seems
ascii_on_tour: picture unconditional capitulation to - mosquitoes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0007353 = 6.2868 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: guess we'll have to learn to like mosquito soup then
r3wt: can i get mine with a side of malaria?
assbot: dpaste: 259T414: I love you Ebola-chan!
mats_cd03: pankkake will be bewildered upon return and receiving 300 messages about various things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00073505 = 11.0993 BTC [-] {2}
mats_cd03: i imagine a fair bit of you have numerous portable screens of all sizes
mats_cd03: i'm in the market for something to read technical ebooks. sometimes with color. recommendations?
thestringpuller: "Google Chrome's connection attempt to qntra.net was rejected. The website may be down, or your network may not be properly configured."
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mats_cd03: there r too many options. kobo, kindle, kindle voyage, windows and android assorted tablets...
cazalla: a little clip on light is useful for kindle too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26974 @ 0.00073499 = 19.8256 BTC [-]
cazalla: just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on
assbot: BitStamps: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: i told you they were assholes when we klined them from freenode in 2012 or whatever
assbot: GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love
bounce: re kool aid / small identity: "taxpayer" is apparently a big part of many people's identity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00073499 = 1.0657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00073452 = 12.4134 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: i'm not up to speed with what happened to him
assbot: Code Quality - OpenSSLWiki
kakobrekla: probably to no-ones surprise at this point, the pressure on bistamp is coming from usss this time.
bounce: they're wording it like they like it ("our policies") and reportedly they're starting with the thef^Wconfiscating a month early
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> USSA low on coins to short? << so drama
mike_c: any word on who the "regulators" are that will get those coins?
Adlai: aren't bitstamp registered in UK now?
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? // they are for some time now
bounce: somewhere down the line you may find they have very well-regulated pockets
Apocalyptic: but afaik Nejc & co are still in Slovenia, as is the bank
kakobrekla: let them stupid videos of how usg has no fucking clue be public and be broadcasted even live
kakobrekla: but lets not tell the bid price for them coins.
Adlai: right, but the regulatory agency which gets the confiscated funds is probably the one in the jurisdiction where the corp is registered
BingoBoingo: Regulatory agency that gets coins is probably the one that complains loudest
kakobrekla: i can see how usg will want at least usg customers coins
bounce: or used a computer network with connections to usg at some point in their lives
jurov: grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases?
jurov: maybe i can donate some myself?
jurov: kakobrekla it's not my hosts, it's rela dns cache
jurov: *rolls eyes* tell that to erveryone who wants to read qntra and cannot
Adlai: qntra.net works perfectly over tor
bounce: qntra.net has address 206.190.153.228
bounce: did you force dns over tor too then?
jurov: ikr? google dns does it right
jurov: but my damn isp and many others dutifully cache it till the ttl expire
jurov: so at least decrease the ttl pls if you expect such shenanigans in future
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4701 @ 0.00073439 = 3.4524 BTC [-]
jurov: yes i'm a bitch sometimnes. but altdomains can be handy. next someone hacks qntra.net's godaddy acct
mircea_popescu: ascii_on_tour> and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back? << "free publicity" only worth something on soem chains
mircea_popescu: cazalla> just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on <<< jesus non-tpe relaitonships must suck
mircea_popescu: nanotube perhaps it's also time to move ;;ticker defaults from bitstamp to something less scammy.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> idk and i suspekt it wont be public << course it will be. they'll respond to the foia requests a month after the one month legal term. seriously. promise.
mircea_popescu: it is after all a real state they got over there, not some sort of fourth reich or anything.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases? << i dunno how this would help anything ?
mircea_popescu: a cache can be fucked up for an arbitrary number of entries as well as for a single one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00073733 = 2.6175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes. they're out, and have a lot to repay now, our good friends in washington.
mircea_popescu: and if the price runs up, someone will have a lot of splaining to do, as ot where all the millions went.
mircea_popescu: someone who really is too fucktarded and arrogant to understand what a negligible quantity he actually is.
Adlai: d-d-d-drop da cache
Adlai: (in this cache, 'cache' is pronounced to rhyme with 'face', as sean connery would pronounce it)
ThickAsThieves: i'd vote for bitfinex or btcchina for ;;ticker price ... it's slim pickins. I guess coinbase might even be valid.
Adlai: scam or just a bunch of incompetents?
ThickAsThieves: i partly suggest them because of my observation of price and which exchanges veer off the most
BigBitz: some definition required I think mircea_popescu.
assbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. | Bitcointa.lk
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I've not been around.
mircea_popescu: yeah, "the one which was a usg front openly and from day one, totally legit"
BigBitz: is it because they use Bitconica code? :)
BigBitz: So they're a scam as they use shitty code?
BigBitz: or they're a scam as they're stealing coins?
Adlai: please take sentimentality to #bitcoin-sentiment
mircea_popescu: they're a scam because the people in charge steal and lie.
BigBitz: OK so how do they steal / lie ?
BigBitz: ( I have some coins there, I'm intrigued ;) )
Adlai: for one thing, they're offering this fishy mining contract as a "beta" but taking real money for it
mircea_popescu: some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in puiblic)
mircea_popescu: and in general, you can't merit-wash a scammer with money.
BigBitz: I admit their use of Bitconica code is that of retards.
BigBitz: BUT... being stupid doesn't a scammer make.
BigBitz: scammer may be stupid, sure.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu if that's your rationale then how can I argue...
BigBitz: Well, debate, question, learn, whatever.
BigBitz: Let's move on then. Since you can't articulate.
kakobrekla: BigBitz stupid people do stupid things. you dont want to expose your coins to stupid behavior.
BigBitz: kakobrekla sure, I agree with that wholly.
BigBitz: but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers.
Adlai: btw when you say "spend 6-12mo reading #b-a logs", do you mean read that many months of logs, or spend that many months studying logs?
BigBitz: hah don't high horse on me mircea_popescu.
kakobrekla: Adlai depends how fast you can read :)
mircea_popescu: dude look here : i agree that your stupidity does not make YOU a scammer.
mircea_popescu: you're jsut some derpy dude with nary a clue left around since the early days
mircea_popescu: but that does nothing for your derpy "arguings" or w/e you think they are.
BigBitz: I'm not an early day Bitcoiner.
kakobrekla: <BigBitz> but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers. < so, it takes some time. are you going to wait for it?
BigBitz: kakobrekla well that's why I was asking. Feel free to educate me as to how they're inclined to scam.
BigBitz: I did say "I have some coins there"
ThickAsThieves: i'd say that 12-18mos of logs is probly the requirment now, the discourse hasnt been as dense this year
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves or maybe the same six months or who knows.
bounce: probably need to compile a couple dossiers. where's the intern?
mircea_popescu: truth be told time is working against us on that score, we will have to somehow create a compendium
BigBitz: I'm happy to move them - I just like to knoe some information/detail.
kakobrekla: BigBitz anyway best you keep them coins there so we can find out.
bounce: mpoe-pr was a handy-dandy reference, at that
BigBitz: Not "because mircea_popescu says so"
mircea_popescu: BigBitz looky, either you do your own research or you follow someone
BigBitz: using any exchange is exposure, sure.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I am happy to follow; but some context is always good.
BigBitz: ie; some sort of 'rationale'
Adlai thinks improved history searching tools are better than requiring newbs to read up, since they can also serve forgetful veterans
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in public)"
BigBitz: yeah mircea_popescu, I know that, but they claim (liars, potentially) that code is non-existant on their platform now.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the thing is, the way the search is organised now, you click on the finds and it gives you the day's context
ThickAsThieves: bigbitz, i think the point is they were conspitors in the first place
mircea_popescu: "don't worry about fucking me, it's true i raped a girl last week but i washed all the blood off my cock so should be ok"
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I just like to know.
BigBitz: anyways... clearly there is no sane argument in reference to that, so, what's todays hot topic, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: you admit they stole, but you claim they're not scammers because what again ?
Adlai: BigBitz: i volunteer to translate. "don't trust bitfinex with your money, because they're potentially unwitting scammers through a combination of fecklessness and incompetence"
kakobrekla: such variety. i want to get off this planet away from stupid people. BigBitz wants to give them money.
bounce: I hear there's an "Ark B" scheduled for launch in a bit. might wanna get on, eh?
bounce: well, fly after that "Ark A" that's leading the way
Adlai: mircea_popescu: earth, of course
mircea_popescu: Adlai im curious, did you figure that out from context or did you do suupportive reading ?
Adlai: looks like you have some reading to do as well :P
BigBitz: I know they could be stupid by association.
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BigBitz: but it's better than the clusterfuck that is Bitstamp.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this "republicans are better than democrats" bs is neither rational nor something to ever consider.
BigBitz: but I can't day trade on thin air.
kakobrekla: BigBitz what did you think of btstp 2 years ago?
mircea_popescu: so you know, just because they're not quite as feckless as bitstamp, what's that do for anyone.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: context. BigBitz seems to have a different definition of "scammer" than the rest of the channel
BigBitz: I have a very defined view of a scammer.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu less feckless is less feckless.
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves which is a sensible view/action.
mircea_popescu: i don't envy you ppl trying to trade your cross or anything.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I just trade for fun. Nothing fancy. Bitcoin doesn't have place for TA :)
nanotube: mircea_popescu: why is bitstamp scammy? also, is there anything out there less scammy with non-piddling volume?
mircea_popescu: nanotube well the recent "We will steal user's btc and deliver it to the usss" stuff is pretty much fucking the goat.
BigBitz: coinbase isn't an exchange, though, ThickAsThieves.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: got link to that former bit?
BigBitz: shouldn't an indiciator of price ie; a ticker show an Exchange.
kakobrekla: there is no place for an honest exchange
BigBitz: kakobrekla I strongly disagree.
bounce: the chinese aren't more reliable, are they?
BigBitz: There is plently of room/place for an honest Exchange.
BigBitz: It's exactly what Bitcoin needs.
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> there is no place for an honest exchange // i'm beginning to think that way as well
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BigBitz: An Exchange by definitation cannot be de-centralized.
BigBitz: It's not an Exchange then.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> the chinese aren't more reliable, are they? <<< we don't fucking know.
BigBitz: P2P Exchanges aren't Exchanges.
Apocalyptic: the regulation burden is driving away those with the potential to do it right
bounce: well, sure. but you'd first need a jurisdiction that does away with the AML/KYC CYA BS and then you need a bunch with clue running the exchange
BigBitz: The Banking platform is the issue.
bounce: likely. peruse the order book?
BigBitz: buyer vs seller, ThickAsThieves.
BigBitz: some may pay +5% some may pay last.
kakobrekla: bounce the majority of people think regulation is cool until they get fucked.
mircea_popescu: derpy web based exchanges figure into it pretty much not at all.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: i see. i'd venture to guess they are not doing that voluntarily, so 'scam' is not quite the right word.
mircea_popescu: they made their choice. between bitcoin and fiat they chose fiat
bounce: sure. hence the need for people understanding regulation running the exchange in a jurisdiction that doesn't force them to fuck over the customers
nanotube: (also thanks for the link :) )
Apocalyptic: bounce, by definition regulation does fuck everyone: operators and customers alike
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i agree the art of dancing with goats is necessary if you agree it doesn't include fucking them.
bounce: that's a bit of a non-argument, you ought to know this
kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> same for nonregulation ;) < thats for different reasons
Apocalyptic: the only one benefitting of the regulation is that narrow class of people who impose/enforce it
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic is this true of regulation say, b-a voice ?
bounce: consider the situation. stamp is being forced to "KYC", but they're taking it to eleven of their own volition. the problem then is twofold: they should know better than that and the forcing needs to go.
ThickAsThieves: first off let's be fair, stamp has been warning about kyc for like a year
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I don't regard the b-a voice system as a regulation mecanism
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and they have been warned that if they do do it, they're fucked.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well but i mean, then obama doesn't regard executive orders as regulation mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's the least bad part in all this
mircea_popescu: what they'll do is bundle it with a ton more dollars and make us another gift down the road
ThickAsThieves: i need two things, a place to trade and a place to cash out
assbot: Obama may call on reserves to deal with Ebola in Africa
chetty: yeah, danged if I would go.
mircea_popescu: who wouldn't want to go into the world's arsehole to deal with a contagious viral disease that makes you puke blood ?!
chetty: (fortunately I am out of range now)
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I'm not sure I get this, do you consider the b-a voice system as such ?
chetty: ready reserve ...all them folks that recnetly got out ..oh yeah thats gonna work
bounce: where're those reserves gonna be deployed?
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mircea_popescu: chetty do they get shot if they don't show up or how does it work ?
chetty: beats me, I knew it was possible but I never saw it done before
bounce: 4k people, so probably all specialists. they're calling dibs well in advance, then.
chetty: like all them navy chiefs they just forced out ..
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, so your point is that regulation can be suitable on a case by case basis ?
mircea_popescu: my point is that regulation is an essential function of life. your homeostasis is the result of regulation.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that these days "regulation" is the name for the visible part of regulation
mircea_popescu: which is only visible because it diverges from nature.
mircea_popescu: yes, as implemented by socialists and in socialist states, it is always bad.
chetty: visible regulation tends to be contra nature, ie unworkable
bounce: laws putting a punishment on murder count as "regulation", yet they're quite useful most of the time.
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally or wholly unnatural
chetty: nah, we all still breathe, and eat ..
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally natural or wholly unnatural
bounce: then disregard it. the point is more that rules that "go with the flow" are less visible than rules that stand in the way and cause a diversion in the flow
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bounce: welcome to the united states of whatever
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Apocalyptic: "Principally, regulation seeps in where people dont care."
bounce: tat, you've successfully abstracted all meaning out of the meandering. that's maybe not entirely useful.
chetty: hmm seems to me it is trampling in all over, where people do care.
ThickAsThieves: i think i was proving there wasnt so much depth there in the first place
bounce: from you perhaps not. the nature of rules is quite deep and subtle, though.
Apocalyptic: more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked
ThickAsThieves: fwiw i wrote to nydfs today sharing some thoughts about why they should ease up
chetty: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."
ThickAsThieves: i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray
bounce: que? that means they'll take all their pre-existing stupidity with them, something bitcoiners got into bitcoin for to avoid.
chetty: bounce, that could be pretty if we get to watch them get their teeth kicked in
dub: s/bitcoiners/libertards
bounce: what'd you write to the nydfs?
bounce: got the text somewhere?
ThickAsThieves: note i just sent it quickly off so youre gonna be mor epicky than i probly was
ThickAsThieves: "This regulation just won't work other than to give big institutions a way to feel safe getting into bitcoin services. That's fine, but the fact is that this is global, and money as a concept needs to change to be a private concern along with this. A centralized government should not try to impose its ideals on the world, it just can't work, will be expensive, and will ultimately hinder
ThickAsThieves: the US in transition to the new paradigm. Odds are that bitcoin, and the people in its regard, are a sovereign that no one nation can control.
ThickAsThieves: The crimes that may be committed with bitcoin are no different, and lesser, than those made with cash dollars, an area which our government has a lose grip on itself. These crimes are ultimately realized not when the money is laundered, but when that money is obtained. Those are the crimes to focus on. You can't hide a kidnapped child in a bitcoin, you can't make a bomb with a bitcoin,
ThickAsThieves: you can't steal with a bitcoin, and you can't smuggle drugs with a bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: Please, take a step back and ask yourself, as a consumer and citizen, what you are really doing, who you are really protecting, and then consider the price that will be paid in privacy, freedom, and consumer value."
bounce: sounds good. not that they'll listen; their motivation isn't the good of all, it's their own careers and coming up with regulation for this newfangled thing scores brownie points all over -- their own organisation, law enforcement, you name it. citizens? not important. so it only sounds good from the point of view of the important.
bounce: the reddit AMA of the ny financial regulation guy is enlightening in that respect
ThickAsThieves: sure, but i'm playing on the fact one human will read this
bounce: might throw it out as an open letter to some large paper or other
bounce: don't know until you try
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> one man;s bad reg is another's good <<< not a matter of man here. that's why nature. why would anyone's opinion count in this discussion ?
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked << it just makes the point that regulation is the stricture of death. which it is
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray << not helpful. the only helpful thing they can do is say "every financial institution of the fiat persuasion has six months to get mp's okay or lose its fiat license"
mircea_popescu: that's useful regulation. everything else, as useful as piss.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the situation is exactly the reverse of churchill's "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."
mircea_popescu: that time they figured the enemy is big and it may be placated. it didn't work, originally, so they had to do a 180 and fight the war.
mircea_popescu: this time they figure the enemy is small and it may be overrun. it won't work, and they'll have to do a 180 and suck the cock.
mircea_popescu: so this time, they're chosing war and will have dishonor.
mircea_popescu: no one actual cock could serve for this role, because it is to provide abject and complete humiliation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. pain and a painful death are actually honorable.
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mircea_popescu: if it were a hallucination it wouldn't be quite so evenly distributed ethnically and geographically.
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mircea_popescu: who isn't a volunteer ? obama and herr speer both are volunteers.
mircea_popescu: listend here in the sense of "people who volunteer both ways", nothing else. not meaning to imply speer had a quota degree or that obama can use the noggin
mircea_popescu: (incredible, incidentally, that people who supposedly invest resources into getting a degree aren't even bothering to mention the distinction between actual degrees and quota degrees)
mircea_popescu: it seems reasonable that any degree given to any "protected minority" by any university with a quota programme should be discounted.
nubbins`: ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец
nubbins`: i said "snofshanofshanof" to myself as i pasted it ;/
nubbins`: mats_cd03 they sell em at princess auto
mats_cd03: i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once
ThickAsThieves: <+nubbins`> ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец /// lol
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kakobrekla: The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.
bounce: why even bother with the sob story? just vamoose already.
bounce: gather more funds to pay off the "robber"?
kakobrekla: i thought you need to wait for recharge
jurov: "i'll return the booty if 25% more is raised"
kakobrekla: well it makes sense, you see 100+25-25=100
jurov: usg debt policy, too
bounce: oh, there it is. it's not teh jooz, nor the big bankers, it's the carnies that're secretly running the usg!
jurov: aye it's one big fair
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? <<< will be valuable in future, those.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> aye it's one big fair << hence the preoccupation with "fairness"!!!11