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mircea_popescu: granted, this is not a problem that can actually be solved
mircea_popescu: anymore than bitcoin can be "solved".
mircea_popescu: so yes, avoidance is the name of the game. nevertheless...
asciilifeform: if random-derp wants a document from you, he should really be reduced to grabbing it (and, naturally, you signed it) from someone closer in wot-space to you
mircea_popescu: you're never going to escape the fact that a 3 person sitcom crew can fuck three different ways whereas a 4 person crew can fuck in 6 ways
asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi. ☟︎☟︎
thestringpuller: qntra down again?
asciilifeform: surrounded by concentric circles of students
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah
jurov: for documents you can use CDN and whatnot. problem is if they want to call your code
asciilifeform: if a n00b wants to learn, he can't ask razi
asciilifeform: he has to ask the nth circle
asciilifeform: and if no one there knows, n-1st
asciilifeform: etc
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: guess more answers are in logs? (that's a dumb question sorry)
asciilifeform: finally master may condescend to answer if no apprentice knew.
mircea_popescu: this is fine, but if you actually calculate the computational load you'll get more than the current star model
asciilifeform: yes. but not concentrated.
mircea_popescu: true.
asciilifeform: hence not the same animal
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how the us legal system works
mircea_popescu: you happy with that ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you, unknown stranger of razi level, have a q. takes you three years and a dozen idiotic answers ?
asciilifeform: it does succeed at preventing drunken beggars from ddosing the king, if nothing else
mircea_popescu: sure, and at a bunch of unintentional other mishaps at that.
mircea_popescu: the solution, as practiced in history, was to teach the drunks restraint.
asciilifeform: not that i am in love with this paradigm, but not sure that you can construct a genuinely viable net where beggar can talk to king directly.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: because the alchemists have learned to manufacture armies of beggars which carry on mischief as programmed.
mircea_popescu: so you kill them and then hang the alchemists by their guts.
asciilifeform is quite in favour of this
mircea_popescu: then beggar can talk to king dracula any time he wants.
asciilifeform: you'll need woodchippers for the beggars though.
asciilifeform: genuine beggar. automata?
mircea_popescu: FEMA ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.qntr
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=71 Or use a valid MPSIC!
mircea_popescu: $vwap S.QNTR
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=197 Or use a valid MPSIC!
mircea_popescu: hm!
mircea_popescu: oic
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.esquireyearone.com.ua/post/36 << you might have to googletrans, but possibly of interest to you
assbot: Esquire Ukraine
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them? ThickAsThieves: because racism << ok i lolled. because colonialism.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By this time next month Amtrack business will be booming. US air travel is on its way out. <<< can only go where there's track.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if any reader feels like building a botnet / expanding his botnet, you can probably hit the earlier linked list of ips. if you're carefgul going in you can probably blame whatever mischief on the original derp, too.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So far the rennovated mosin is my favorite
mircea_popescu: devthedev: Bitcointalk: "Due to a recently-discovered flaw in the TLS and SSL protocols, you may want to change your password, especially if you accessed the forum using Tor." <<< what, tor isn't safe ? incredibru.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The last one, new rifles are sold in us on essentially the same principle. "Inline" muzzle loaders that use shotgun primers.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think it can be nothing more <<< yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close.
BingoBoingo: Instead of traditional percussion caps
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can see those work on youtube. ersatz weapon, you don't want it (unless no choice.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00073995 = 17.9068 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'обрез' ('cutdown')
mircea_popescu: mike_c: ethics schmethics. newspapers have been funded by ads from forever <<< yeah but i find the entire goldline glenn beck thing pretty objectionable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: once q transforms into the kind of thing which is presently lucrative, it will cease to be distinguishable from the despised competition. << the idea is to transform things around it.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> yeah, but then i noticed there's actually two, and they're pretty close. /// of course, second bidder has something to work with
ben_vulpes: kick everyone's ass on quality without worrying about making money
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ATM this inspires me to wonder about... the classic railgun. If the projectile is already a strong magnet...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i wasn't intending to (with what, ha.) just ringing the bell to possibly wake up folks who think they can achieve a new result by doing the same thing as was done for 100 years. <<< you know, the clerk maxwell guy, arguably a novel result, WAS in fact achieved by doing the exact same thing men have been doing to women for a hundred years.
mircea_popescu: possibly longer
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kick everyone's ass on quality without worrying about making money << gawker was never great, but this is how they killed huffpo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you mean he wiggled a pen and dropped ink on paper, sure.
mircea_popescu: no, he wiggled a cock and dropped semen on uterus.
mircea_popescu: im talking of the guy's dad, see.
mircea_popescu: and now i got you in the corner. either you argue with the libtards that c. maxwell is not a novel result, tho his work is
mircea_popescu: or else this thing's dead.
ben_vulpes is now gagging for time to read the logs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: your reply to 'instazap' - as a young man, i had the 'fortune' to work in one of those small scamatronics firms scattered around wash.dc. they made (well, collected money from usg to make, supposedly) small robots.
asciilifeform: one day we were called in for a meeting
asciilifeform: over a ludicrously expensive plasma tv, the owner of the firm gravely proclaimed that the robot (nominally a sapperbot) shall be fitted with a rifle.
mircea_popescu: jurov: FTFY: build enough audience and capital to buy ukraine <<< here's a simple calculation : someone somewhere judges it worth his time to try to attack qntra for like what, a day ?
asciilifeform: and that anyone who takes issue with this, should resign then.
mircea_popescu: how much would it cost you to replicate this ?
asciilifeform: (no one did. surprised?)
mircea_popescu: there, that's a value of qntra approach.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> over a ludicrously expensive plasma tv, the owner of the firm gravely proclaimed that the robot (nominally a sapperbot) shall be fitted with a rifle. << Wait employees hadn't machines so armed already?
asciilifeform: worth his time << chumpnet is like a truck - most of the cost of ownership, assuming you own it, is a fixed cost
asciilifeform: i.e., the chumpers need to be busied somehow
mircea_popescu: how much are ~5k zombie ips worth ? what's the current market value of a wordpress list like whatever, 100k or i didn't bother counting the new one yet ?
asciilifeform: as i understand, their market values vary wildly based on geography
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform besides the point tho. negotiable instruments, like anything else.
asciilifeform: american chumps, as i understand, are worth most
asciilifeform: yes.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: entirely unsurprised.
asciilifeform: but idea is, if you own them, better keep them busy. like slaves.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but also like slaves they're worth w/e they bring in.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> but idea is, if you own them, better keep them busy. like slaves. << oh god i know this one
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yeah, but also like slaves they're worth w/e they bring in. << also this one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: employees hadn't machines so armed << employees owned the shirts on their backs
asciilifeform: if that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, you know how they announce job vacancies here ?
mircea_popescu: "se necesitan peones"
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: just like you died and went to fucking warcraft heaven
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2QEGKAS.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
asciilifeform: that's what i was thinking
asciilifeform: zugzug!
mircea_popescu: "yes milord!"
asciilifeform: thing about botnets, this is a whole planet, largely undocumented in open literature
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: wsj, like nyt et al is an organ of the crown. << so is qntra.
mircea_popescu: and like wsj, nyt etc, it's worth whatever the crown says it's worth.
mike_c: read the next line :)
mircea_popescu: a right :p
BingoBoingo: Oh Mosins are still under $150 per in the US.
asciilifeform: i don't have any nitpick at a 'group trilema' - but not sure why it needed to be nyooz-flavoured.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the paperwork will run you more.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nothing else, easy entry point.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plus, afaik no one in usa makes the shells.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GRI660LX and the shells...
assbot: Century Arms M91/30 Mosin Nagant Bolt Action Rifle 7.62x54R 26" Barrel 5 Rounds Laminated Stock Black Finish RI660L-X in Good Condition
mircea_popescu: but speaking of crowns : romanian king (prince karl of hohenzollern-sigmaringen) had the interesting idea of making his crown out of iron
mircea_popescu: speciofically, a captured turkish cannon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'the man with the rifle - shoots. the one without - follows him. when the man with the rifle is killed, the one who is following him picks up the rifle and shoots.' -- american film about stalingrad
asciilifeform: (re mosin)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Winchester makes them nao http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=607
assbot: Cheaper Than Dirt! - 7.62x54R
mircea_popescu: cannons are indeed out of fashion, but for whoever ends up crowned : consider making your crown out of the extracted teeth of us congressmen, imf directors and so on and so forth.
ben_vulpes: make a synthetic diamond crown of carbonized benjamins
mircea_popescu: the crown of teeth!
asciilifeform: we call them endearingly, мосинка.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Saw that film
asciilifeform: there will be folks firing mosins at one another long after we're forgotten, i suspect.
asciilifeform: crown from congressmen << reminds me of fdr's souvenirs
asciilifeform: 'That same year, columnist Drew Pearson reported that Representative Francis E. Walter (D-Penn.) had presented President Franklin D. Roosevelt with a letter opener made from the forearm of a Japanese soldier. ‘This is the sort of gift I like to get’, Pearson quotes FDR saying.” '
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: such a humanitarian.
asciilifeform: legend has it that stalin had the fuhrer's skull (what remained of it) as ashtray.
asciilifeform: probably mythical, but there it is.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the non-soviet ones are ~$1/round
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: which is precisely what one might expect for a foreign museum piece
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still, for a full power rifle cartridge of new manufacter not bad at all
BingoBoingo: Olin brass has to butter their bezzel bread
asciilifeform: incidentally, the mosins (and other items of the period) prove that, if one really wishes it, it is possible to mass-produce 'non-synthetic tomato' to some extent.
asciilifeform: 100 percent machined parts, nothing stamped, nothing made of shitmetal (e.g. 'zamac')
asciilifeform: (the first person who told me that there are now small arms with zamac parts, i did not believe him!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: infinite shares with no plausible picture of how they are to be worth something <<< this is similar to the problem of marriage neh ? "woman can bring infinite children with no idea how they;d amount to anything"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 100 percent machined parts, nothing stamped, nothing made of shitmetal (e.g. 'zamac') << no, because metals can be purified, but organics not so well.
BingoBoingo: Qntra shares really aren't a problem so long as they remain countably infinite
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: degradation of metal goods proceeded by a similar, if not entirely identical way as organics - not impurities as such (modern alloys are chemically superior to those of the past) but through using tech that ought not be used
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: the zamac is very pure.
asciilifeform: but it snaps like plastic.
mircea_popescu: also very fixable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14662 @ 0.00074038 = 10.8555 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the dioxin infested field... not so much
asciilifeform: i own two halves of a broken corkscrew (owned. used to show people.)
asciilifeform: metal - in name.
asciilifeform: misplaced somewhere
mircea_popescu: i broke tons of all sorts of cruddy kitchen implements
mircea_popescu: back when the chinese still sucked, 90s,
asciilifeform: thing is, the chinese in this respect do not suck. american turdmeisters supply the spec.
mircea_popescu: i broke a quarter inch thick garlic press into shards etc
asciilifeform: and items are made to spec.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i own two halves of a broken corkscrew (owned. used to show people.) << I imagine my current corkscrew will outlive me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and in people i know to be clever! << wait, do you mean me ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess that i don't have a clear picture of who was working on it
BingoBoingo: Broke 3 Zamac turds, moved to a beauty in 440 stainless steel
mircea_popescu: well, cazalla is the editor in charge, BingoBoingo is his lieutenant and im here to fuck things up.
mircea_popescu: !up Amazonfirehd
Amazonfirehd: yay
asciilifeform: amazonfirehd << meow mix << amd celeron ?
asciilifeform: why????
Amazonfirehd: ?
mircea_popescu: huh?
asciilifeform has a memory
asciilifeform: and other people do, presumably
BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: YOu have yet to acquire a cloak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what next? pay people by lines of code? << i've actually done that. "you get paid 1000 - code count"
asciilifeform: ah but see that's proper
Amazonfirehd: why do i need one?
asciilifeform: because correct side of ledger
Amazonfirehd: asciilifeform, who r ye?
asciilifeform: Amazonfirehd: unknown lamer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but code has a verifiable existence outside of its words. copywriting does not.
BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: He is living breathing 7 bits of text
Amazonfirehd: oh
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i'm going to write an amazing article and pad the fuck out of it <<< /me settles down for this
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: you know assy... that's what you said last time
Amazonfirehd: is it the hard disk that processes data and the cpu stores the data right?
BingoBoingo: Amazonfirehd: Neither.
mircea_popescu: !down Amazonfirehd
mircea_popescu: good enough.
asciilifeform: ;;google hipcrime
gribble: Hipcrime (Usenet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipcrime_(Usenet)>; Hipcrime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipcrime>; the Hipcrime Vocab: <http://hipcrime.blogspot.com/>
asciilifeform: wonder if he's come out of retirement.
danielpbarron: !up kushed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28638 @ 0.00074038 = 21.203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12162 @ 0.000741 = 9.012 BTC [+]
danielpbarron slaps kushed around a bit with a large speaking-stick
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> given the fate of usd, the small coins continue to circulate largely through inertia of neglect. << prices in my area recently went to integer dollars for things sold by the unit
mircea_popescu: jurov: kakobrekla: what about S.BASH? one share per bashed word <<< or S.BISH. one share per something.
BingoBoingo: http://jalopnik.com/afroduck-leaks-video-of-nypd-officer-doing-fastest-lap-1646904985/+trotter
assbot: Afroduck Leaks Video Of 'NYPD Officer' Doing 'Fastest Lap Of Manhattan'
danielpbarron: or S.HIT for each /me slaps so-and-so around
asciilifeform: ^lol
asciilifeform often wonder, of the $maxint places they could go - they go here .why.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWxKmbrcdE
assbot: "OBREZ MOSIN-NAGANT (SAWED-OFF) M91/30" - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00073991 = 3.7735 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ^atypically long example
BingoBoingo: "Weld the front sight back on so we know what the fuck we are shooting at"
asciilifeform: in ru world, a small-arms-themed derp is often told, 'file off yer sights'
asciilifeform: (for ease of inevitable anal insertion)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/DefendAgainstParanoia << this one is pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "The number one problem with paranoid world views is the lack of proof on either side. Nobody can disprove once and for all any of these rumors. If you believe but one of them, step by step you will have to distrust your politicians, your government, the press."
mircea_popescu: i suppose the answer to "why would one bother to rewrite the much better flame warriors guide in shitty prose" suddenly comes into view.
asciilifeform: it's a bottomless pit of various things
mircea_popescu: deceased, apparently.
BingoBoingo: !up Corey
BingoBoingo: Hello Corey
BingoBoingo: It continues http://dpaste.com/2TEDFT0
assbot: dpaste: 2TEDFT0
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney: thank you
kakobrekla: !up jordandotdev
kakobrekla: !up MRFeeny welcome back jo.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait you know the guy ?
MRFeeny: hi
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: i mean
kakobrekla: we all do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meowmix
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who that is ?
mircea_popescu: and i honestly read the logs ?
mircea_popescu: !s meowmix
assbot: 11 results for 'meowmix' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=meowmix
MRFeeny: me?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fella with 100 names
mircea_popescu: oh oh
kakobrekla: * Freen0deAdmin has quit (K-Lined)
kakobrekla: this guy
BingoBoingo: If this gambling site operator continues to court thedrinkingrecord for a sponsored post... At what point is accepting money for a labeled sponsored post worth it? 20 BTC?
kakobrekla: i suspekt thats why Corey joined here.
MRFeeny: !s freen0deadmin
assbot: 15 results for 'freen0deadmin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freen0deadmin
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I thought Cory joined because we are cool and happening
MRFeeny: who is corey?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe he should be in wot first ?
MRFeeny: !s corey
assbot: 2 results for 'corey' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=corey
MRFeeny: !s assbot
assbot: 260080 results for 'assbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=assbot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably. This is probably going to turn into a lulzy kako screencap convo. I mean seriously though. Targeting the personal blog and not the mega news outlet for sponsored whatevers.
mircea_popescu: maybe just needs to be told.
BingoBoingo: Will do replying to them next.
kakobrekla: no idiot wrote to me in like a week :(
kakobrekla worried for bitbet.
asciilifeform: back to botnet topic - we will increasingly see pointless acts of hooliganism ☟︎
mircea_popescu: seems likely.
asciilifeform: because actually monetizing all but the most astonishingly large chumpnet for btc has become virtually impossible.
asciilifeform: and monetizing for any other currency - risk yer arse.
asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment
asciilifeform: say you have 500,000 chumpers. what'll you do.
BingoBoingo: !up FreeN0deAdmin
mircea_popescu: well, if you're an idiot, try and fight with me
FreeN0deAdmin: whats up everyone
mircea_popescu: if you have any sense, come and grovel abjectly, who knows, maybe i'm feeling employer-y that day
mircea_popescu: same thing as if you're a "senior counsel" for the sec, or anything else.
FreeN0deAdmin: java sucks
asciilifeform: let's say 100 megahash each (very generous.)
asciilifeform: this is approx. 0.7 btc/d.
BingoBoingo: !up Corey
FreeN0deAdmin: i will be klined soon
mircea_popescu: how are cpus doing mh ?
FreeN0deAdmin: =)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: using unicorn tears.
asciilifeform: this is a very loose upper bound.
FreeN0deAdmin: Corey, whats up my nigga
mircea_popescu: maybe if you're lucky and they're all gaming stations or something.
mircea_popescu: seems dubious.
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: let's picture that these are all chumps who own asic coffee pot warmers or the like.
kakobrekla: some laptops get 100mh
kakobrekla: +
kakobrekla: gayming machine 1gh
asciilifeform: and on some planet there are 500,000 of them you can pwn.
asciilifeform: on planet earth - much smaller figure.
asciilifeform: by several zeros.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i find this very dubious.
kakobrekla: was?
FreeN0deAdmin: bitcoin sucks
mircea_popescu: you mean kh/mh ?
FreeN0deAdmin: KLINE ME
FreeN0deAdmin: Corey, KLINE ME
kakobrekla: !down FreeN0deAdmin
asciilifeform: 'masochist: beat me, beat me! sadist: no.'
mircea_popescu: lol
kakobrekla: modern single gpus get 700mh+
kakobrekla: mh/s
asciilifeform: gpu aha
kakobrekla: cpu doesnt measure in mh
asciilifeform: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Non-specialized_hardware_comparison
assbot: Non-specialized hardware comparison - Bitcoin
asciilifeform: old but applicable
kakobrekla: yeah my entry is in there.
mircea_popescu: 6870x4 1150
mircea_popescu: thats like 250
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, it could be 700!
kakobrekla: yes, my shit gpu does that much.
asciilifeform: heterogeneity of gpu (plus the need to install chip-specific driver) means that gpu is not a practical target.
BingoBoingo: My laptop can sustain 12 mh/s if I want to invite a fire hazard
kakobrekla: was done even if not practical
asciilifeform: at the very least, not a single one of the several dozen gpu-mining trojans i have collected from the wild actually works if installed as intended
asciilifeform: (how can this be? cargo cult. easy.)
kakobrekla: building the pyramids in egypt wasnt practical.
kakobrekla: still, was done.
asciilifeform: it was eminently practical.
kakobrekla: which?
asciilifeform: pyramids.
kakobrekla: depends for whom
asciilifeform: for owner.
kakobrekla: execution wasnt practical
kakobrekla: presumably the chumps did the work
kakobrekla: not the owner
asciilifeform: point is - even a wildly optimistic figure for yield gives you... the salary of a very skinny engineer.
asciilifeform: (re: botmines)
asciilifeform: divvy it up how you like.
danielpbarron: conspicuous spending of wealth / signals strenth to other cultures
kakobrekla: clear as day at such difficulty.
asciilifeform: remember also that botnet will shrink rapidly unless you work to grow it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Does Arc have release date yet?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: arc was out ages ago. it was a turd.
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: assuming you were thinking of paul graham's gizmo
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm just way behind
asciilifeform: what on earth were you reading?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Koolaid point of the Google language http://npf.io/2014/10/why-everyone-hates-go/
assbot: Why Everyone Hates Go · npf.io
asciilifeform: ah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00074102 = 10.893 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Made me forget Arc was already born and died
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not dead as such. 'hacker news' runs on it...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Undead is still dead
BingoBoingo: Fact of the day: The original Ford LTD in adverisements boasted of having panty cloth seats.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00073975 = 14.2032 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Also if I impled I hit maximum hate yesterday... I was wrong.
BingoBoingo: Apparently I can hate harde
BingoBoingo: r
asciilifeform: 'what those people will say once go gets a concurrent garbage collector that no longer stops the world and has real time guarantees (currently scheduled for 1.5)' << wait, srsly?
asciilifeform: it has a mark'n'sweeper now?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> point is - even a wildly optimistic figure for yield gives you... the salary of a very skinny engineer. << these are mostly kids trying to escape from the mines and not knowing how to ask
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, talk.
mircea_popescu: illiteracy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not one in ten thousand can leave the mines.
asciilifeform in the mines
mircea_popescu: you're in a peculiar situation, of a man married to his craft. kids don't have that problem.
mircea_popescu: they can come with the clothes on their back. or naked.
asciilifeform wonders what is his craft, that married, because it isn't programming - he actually loathes it with a passion difficult to describe
mircea_popescu: you know how archimedes of syracuse died ?
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in the mines << As far as I can tell I am not allowed near the mines anymore
asciilifeform: i know the legend
asciilifeform: that every kid knows
asciilifeform: but i didn't behead him personally, so hard to say
mircea_popescu: "Noli tangere circulos meos"
asciilifeform: yeah i get it.
mircea_popescu: you know ? don't touch my shits.
asciilifeform: 'ain't nobody touches my shit'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: ^literal!
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform wonders what is his craft, that married, because it isn't programming - he actually loathes it with a passion difficult to describe << You love creating. You're an artist. Of course you despise programming. You'll prolly shit on the first loper machine you create
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i rejected three entirely different designs (different as in the diff b/w dataflow and von neumann) that did not even bother describing. perhaps archaeologists (or the vultures) can get something from my notes.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i rejected three entirely different designs (different as in the diff b/w dataflow and von neumann) that did not even bother describing. perhaps archaeologists (or the vultures) can get something from my notes. << Now you are touching my view of qntra realized. Not as "news" but as cabinet of microfiche
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
Duffer1: oh hey
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i call it, in my head, 'ozymandias engineering'
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.03, Best ask: 395.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.78000, Last trade: 395.83, 24 hour volume: 18696.75236105, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 403.0, 24 hour vwap: 393.737990553
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias#Comparison_of_the_two_poems << for n00bz
assbot: Ozymandias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You ever watch 'Breaking Bad' particularly the episode titled Ozymandias?
asciilifeform: nein
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Homework. American seeing his end
asciilifeform: that's the film where they had a proper grignard reaction ?
asciilifeform: or was it leukhard-wallach
asciilifeform: birch reduction?
asciilifeform lost in organiker dreams
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Series where they had an invisible chiral ladder
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'ozymandias engineering' is the concept where 'the one with the rifle - shoots'
asciilifeform: that is, you're working on something that you know you will not live to see through.
asciilifeform: like the cathedrals of old europe.
asciilifeform: except, even more of a test of will
asciilifeform: because at least the cathedral folks had some certainty that there will be a cathedral.
asciilifeform: and when they put down the stones, they generally stayed put.
mircea_popescu: they had no such certainty.
asciilifeform: s/certainty/faith
mircea_popescu: in fact, the "falling walls" story is exactly that
mircea_popescu: the narration of their concern that no, there will be nothing there in the end
asciilifeform: !s falling walls
assbot: 6 results for 'falling walls' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=falling+walls
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how big is the dos that is hitting qntra?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller but if you review the logs...
mircea_popescu: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/TheIndividual << ahaha check it out, libertard wet dreams.
mircea_popescu: it's like reading a comic book written by the author about himself.
thestringpuller: !s qntra dos
assbot: 1 results for 'qntra dos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=qntra+dos
thestringpuller: yea trilema is down too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will probably need to change gas mask canister soon
asciilifeform: whoa
mircea_popescu: myeah.
thestringpuller: 403 forbidden?
mircea_popescu: you are not allowed :D
kakobrekla: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
BingoBoingo: !s dos
assbot: 99 results for 'dos' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dos
kakobrekla: !s !s
assbot: 5565 results for '!s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21s
kakobrekla: hm not bad
kakobrekla: meh doesnt work
asciilifeform: ;;google banana problem
gribble: Banana Fungus, Insect Outbreak Threaten Global Supply: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/banana-fungus-threatens-plantations-fruit-supply_n_4453573.html>; banana problem - Catb.org: <http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/banana-problem.html>; How the global banana industry is killing the world's favorite fruit ...: <http://qz.com/164029/tropical-race-4-global-banana-industry-is- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Anyone know a way to get a laptop fan replacement from China that does not take a month?
asciilifeform: phail
kakobrekla: search doesnt search '!'
asciilifeform: http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/banana-problem.html
assbot: banana problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why on earth from china
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's where the replacement fans live
asciilifeform: they also live in usa where others bought same unit ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14703 @ 0.00074113 = 10.8968 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (and lost a different set of parts)
BingoBoingo: Sure if I want to buy a whole unit.
asciilifeform: what sort of fan anyway ?
BingoBoingo: This is the second fan in 3 years though. fan is a weak point
BingoBoingo: X120e, the only fan in the fucker
kakobrekla: pay for some express ship?
asciilifeform: aha, weird custom-molded turd?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, laptop fan
asciilifeform remembers when these had ordinary square fans
BingoBoingo: Only vendors want to ship only super cheap e-rate
asciilifeform: you can usually extend its life if you open and lovingly scrub it
asciilifeform: first, 'freon', then - EtOH swabs
asciilifeform: from one pauper to another, listen to advice...
BingoBoingo: It gets water displacement-40 tomorrow
asciilifeform: death for plastics
asciilifeform: bad idea.
kakobrekla: maybe oil for sewing machine
asciilifeform: same
kakobrekla: if you have it
asciilifeform: just get the crud out
kakobrekla: wors for a temporary fix
kakobrekla: until the new fan comes
BingoBoingo: Worst case I do like last summer and run naked laptop guts on a box fan
asciilifeform: these things generally aren't built in a way where you can get to the bearing
asciilifeform: so, can't lubricate
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> these things generally aren't built in a way where you can get to the bearing <asciilifeform> so, can't lubricate << This is why you flood the thing
asciilifeform: remove the fan, outside (e.g., on balcony) blow it with freon
kakobrekla: uh flood :\
asciilifeform: (sold as 'can of air' where i live, mysteriously)
kakobrekla: i thought you can get to the bearing, on some of these small fans you can .
asciilifeform: not the molded laptop gizmos, usually
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not the molded laptop gizmos, usually << Pry and Pry again
asciilifeform: i still can't fathom how one can own laptop and shy away from cleaning fan
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> i thought you can get to the bearing, on some of these small fans you can . << Hard which is why I lean towards flooding it
kakobrekla: i clean it . just vacuum from the top
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i still can't fathom how one can own laptop and shy away from cleaning fan << Fan is clean, bearings worn
kakobrekla: while holding it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: clean. then, 'silicone' or 'teflon'
kakobrekla: wont fix the fucked up bearing though
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: clean. then, 'silicone' or 'teflon' << As the online machine sounds like a bee sanctuary now a Mosin solution sounds more tempting than tender love.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: cazalla & BingoBoingo : i am having a dedicated server comissioned for this job. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's expensive, but hey, was going to happen eventually anyway.
mircea_popescu: sorry for all the ups and downs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Better nao than later
BingoBoingo: This is only day 14
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00073893 = 8.313 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: while that proceeds (and it's a hot new datacenter where everyone wants a spot so it will take a few days) we'll continue to see sporadic service interruptions and so on.
cazalla: i'd love to know who is behind this and why
cazalla: BingoBoingo, and i sat here 14 days ago thinking this thing would take 6 months to get tracition
BingoBoingo: Prolly that Coindesk punjab
cazalla: traction even
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> BingoBoingo, and i sat here 14 days ago thinking this thing would take 6 months to get tracition << Notice how I helped your sanity by not offering this time frame two weeks ago
cazalla: i guess trying to slip you up with "we need a name" didn't work
BingoBoingo: Welcome to Bitcoin
kakobrekla: no name, just logo.
TheNewDeal: no name, just go?
BingoBoingo: No Justice, No Peace?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: So for a favicon/Twatter avatar... Orange Q over a deep purple background?
BingoBoingo: !up xiando
BingoBoingo: !up xinxi
xinxi: thanks
ThickAsThieves: you can up yourself yknow
xinxi: yes, I known. auth verify, and then up
ThickAsThieves: cool
xinxi: I am wondering is there any automatic way to do so
xinxi: or I need to do these every time I come here.
ben_vulpes: you're a programmer, script it
ThickAsThieves: you could use a bouncer to stay on
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Bouncers are of the devil
BingoBoingo: Bouncer can have problems too
ThickAsThieves: i barely know what i'm talking about saying so
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: eh?
mats_cd03: i pay the devil to keep me online in this channel
ben_vulpes: have server
ben_vulpes: run emacs remotely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22772 @ 0.00073821 = 16.8105 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, keep it grayscale imo
ben_vulpes: problems?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How strong of authenticaton is a bouncer typically going to demand?
ben_vulpes: mine, ssh keys
xinxi: oh, I can also run my emacs in my server.
ben_vulpes: idiots', no idea.
xinxi: that’s actually a good idea
ben_vulpes: xinxi
ben_vulpes: xinxi: look into mosh as well
BingoBoingo: xinxi: Flash you BIOS so it is just emacs
BingoBoingo: cazalla: K
ben_vulpes: xinxi: extremely robust connection switchting, ideal for the laptop user.
xinxi: is there any emacs bios rom?
xinxi: that sounds cool tho.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-lockheed-fusion-idUSKCN0I41EM20141015 << monkeys fly from my arse if this is true. << bezzletron
assbot: Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project| Reuters
cazalla: speaking of twitter BingoBoingo, sgornick is yet to return to hand it over :\ i had the opportunity to register it myself but didn't bother
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well he'll return unless... bus accident
mats_cd03: ;;premium bitstamp btce
gribble: Premium of Bitstamp over BTC-E is currently 2.29648857163 %.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.09, Best ask: 397.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 397.25, 24 hour volume: 18118.30865539, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 403.0, 24 hour vwap: 393.367683069
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 397.25, vol: 18118.30865539 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 388.332, vol: 6874.12898 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 396.2, vol: 30017.17618583 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 395.273664, vol: 63463.52380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 400.30913, vol: 11.22832406 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.905861, vol: 125.83410209 | Volume-weighted last average: 395.409890807
kakobrekla: b-c needs renaming i guess
BingoBoingo: prolly
BingoBoingo: !up r3wt
BingoBoingo: Hello r3wt
r3wt: thanks man
r3wt: hi, hows it going
BingoBoingo: What are you up to today?
BingoBoingo: Things are going great
r3wt: bout to do the 3 S's before bed
TheNewDeal: shit, smoke, sit?
BingoBoingo: Getting a DOS out the ass because Mullenwang of Wordpress can't stop sucking that dick
r3wt: i had saw that someone had pinged looking for me in june on the otc site
BingoBoingo: Ah
r3wt: shower, sh*t, shave
r3wt: lol
BingoBoingo: No real person shaves, third s is smoke
r3wt: artifexd, you around?
BingoBoingo: He may not be available
r3wt: i quit smoking in march
BingoBoingo: Tobacco?
TheNewDeal: ha
r3wt: i quit drugs in february of 2013
artifexd: Yup
r3wt: so yes, tobacco
BingoBoingo: Sucks
BingoBoingo: Maybe if I didn't tobacco my laptop fan wouldn't need replaced annually
r3wt: i have an incredibly dull life. i wake up code all day, sleep repeat
artifexd: r3wt: What can I do ya fer?
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Have any dreams of being a newsman?
mircea_popescu: shit, two weeks eh!
r3wt: but anyone here who may have invested in openex or be owed some money, i got you. i got a real job now so i'm on the ascent again
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, this is two weeks day
r3wt: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
r3wt: remind me how to auth again?
r3wt: i just paste my address right?
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Qntra.net is a thing. It pissed people off. Attracts massive DOS attacks in its second week of life. Just take a minute to imagine yourself as a newsman.
BingoBoingo: !s bcauth
assbot: 48 results for 'bcauth' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bcauth
r3wt: bcauth r3wt
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3w
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2165f1dc184c18a321305fa5ee114f7bf3b9034ae14ca673225fc187
r3wt: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user r3wt to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=r3wt&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: r3wt: You have a GPG key?
r3wt: no i have to sign with bitcoin-core
r3wt: just waiting on it to load
r3wt: i still don't get it about Qntra.net
danielpbarron: if you're smart enough to not use a web-wallet, you should be smart enough to GPG
BingoBoingo: Wait you run bitcoin core, and not a saner 0.5-0.8?
artifexd: r3wt: You summoned me. Why?
r3wt: you summoned me on june 05 2014, do you remember why?
BingoBoingo: <r3wt> i still don't get it about Qntra.net << Cunt, raw is basically just a coindesk/Cryptocoinnews killer, No big deal
artifexd: Hmmm... Nope.
r3wt: alright, did you have coins on OpenEx maybe?
artifexd: I have slept since then.
r3wt: lol, true stuff
BingoBoingo: artifexd: He ran an atc exchange. It failed
r3wt: pm me your username, i can check if you did
artifexd: At one time, yeah. I pulled them all off though.
r3wt: oh ok. well i'm trying to hunt down all my loose ends and make sure they've been tied off
BingoBoingo: ;;rate r3wt 1 asshole. Fucker. Destructive. Not that bad in context.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user r3wt has been recorded.
artifexd: I'm fairly certain that you don't owe me anything.
artifexd: I am certain enough to not negrate you about it. :)
BingoBoingo: r3wt: If you can figure out how to auth you can up yourself
BingoBoingo: !down r3wt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19774 @ 0.00073756 = 14.5845 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up r3wt
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8de1384f466bb5e40b3674399986491cf19a87fd964ee18c0fcc1324
r3wt: ;;bcverify GxlztlR855hC+cyycwgJ5jFhmOLa3Scm3AkaY5QYHizO8p737n256OS6467Uke2uDAL7zIG+J25ykq9XQ/pG9kI=
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
r3wt: !up r3wt
artifexd: r3wt: you need to pm that to assbot
artifexd: Like: /msg assbot !up
artifexd: !down r3wt
r3wt: !down artifexd
artifexd: There ya go
r3wt: nice, thanks for the lesson
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325526 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1065 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36244226609.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.54759
r3wt: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 asshole. Fucker. Destructive. not that bad in context.
BingoBoingo: %d
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 325076.50 in 132 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.69
BingoBoingo: thx r3wt
r3wt: ;;rating BingoBoingo
gribble: Error: "rating" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot r3wt
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Trust relationship from user assbot to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: Wed Oct 15 23:01:22 2014
r3wt: ;;gettrust BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user r3wt to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=r3wt&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
artifexd: Like ;;rate <<name>> <<rating>> <<explaination>>
artifexd: ;;rate r3wt 1 Ran failed exchange but appears capable of learning
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user r3wt has been recorded.
r3wt: does this mean i am supposed to give you a rating now?
artifexd: No
nubbins`: heh
r3wt: `
artifexd: You give ratings according to what you want. It isn't a tit-for-tat thing.
r3wt: well you seem like a nice person,
r3wt: i'm just too nice in general
artifexd: Although, you will often find rating appear in pairs because many ratings are in response to specific events that involve both individuals. Hence it is appropriate for both to rate.
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Ratings are near the opposite of a tit for tat if done right
r3wt: wait til trade fortress finds out i have a otc profile
r3wt: i'll have like -quintillion trust
nubbins`: i have poor rating reciprocity
r3wt: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user r3wt to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=r3wt&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Is he still... around?
BingoBoingo: Been nearly a year since TradeFortress Broke Broke
r3wt: yeah, him and blazr logged in this week to give me negative trust
r3wt: now i have the pretty red paint on my forum profile again
BingoBoingo: Forum Trust means dick
artifexd: Remember that, sometimes, a negative rating can be a good thing. Depending on the rater.
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Who has the most negative forum trust you see
BingoBoingo: For me it is Gar255
r3wt: when bitmit was online, i used to stalk Gar255's auctions and bid them to 50k+
r3wt: shilling auctions is low
TheNewDeal: !s tradefortress
assbot: 341 results for 'tradefortress' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tradefortress
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00073882 = 9.0875 BTC [+] {2}
dub: !s tradefartress
assbot: 47 results for 'tradefartress' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tradefartress
TheNewDeal: ;;asks 400
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 177.53316 bitcoins offered at or under 400.0 USD, worth 70780.2051744 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0352 seconds
ThickAsThieves: price at a standoff today
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00073695 = 13.8547 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.45, Best ask: 395.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.46000, Last trade: 396.01, 24 hour volume: 17778.40642803, 24 hour low: 385.92, 24 hour high: 403.0, 24 hour vwap: 393.376165
BingoBoingo: ;;niggers.txt
gribble: Error: "niggers.txt" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
RagnarsBitch: http://i1.wp.com/beansouptimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ebola-cure-meme.jpg
cazalla: good luck ebola!
mircea_popescu: i hear it's cured if you cough on a virgin
BingoBoingo: I am H8
BingoBoingo: And neither Dallas nurse is white...
devthedev: New (First) blog post: https://cryptodeck.com/st-petersburg/
BingoBoingo: One is a charlie and the other black
r3wt: http://sasquatchglass.com/weed-protects-ebola/
assbot: Weed Protects You From Ebola - Sasquatch Glass
r3wt: how bout that
r3wt: devthedev: fag
devthedev: heh?
RagnarsBitch: When do we get s.obola?
RagnarsBitch: I'm buyin
r3wt: http://i.imgur.com/T5jx6se.png
r3wt: devthedev
BingoBoingo: r3wt devthedev play nice or niggers.txt
r3wt: i just wanted some forum trust, gah
r3wt: some pretty green numbers
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: !up r3wt
BingoBoingo: r3wt: Forum trust doesn't work
BingoBoingo: At all
BingoBoingo: Period
BingoBoingo: Full Stahp
r3wt: i know, i was trying to "buy trust" according to Vod and the fag alliance
BingoBoingo: Eh, Vod is a sensitive tool.
BingoBoingo: Solving the worng problem
r3wt: Vod is a footstool for Blazr and Tradefortress.
r3wt: he does what he's told
BingoBoingo: I doubt that, VOd is his own monster, that's what makes him Peter.
BingoBoingo: So Imma blow in the meter. People got guesses on my BAC???
r3wt: .5
r3wt: you salty af
r3wt: legally dead too
TheNewDeal: .165
BingoBoingo: .38 and full of hate.
TheNewDeal: damn
TheNewDeal: how many drinks over how many hours is that?
BingoBoingo: r3 was closer over the range
BingoBoingo: A lot over not enough?
TheNewDeal: Price is Right rules though, I win
r3wt: $1
BingoBoingo: !up smidge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00073828 = 12.9568 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I dunno how many people follow baseball, but in the last hour tonight has become a bad time to make me unhappy.
BingoBoingo: !up Guest98883
BingoBoingo: H8 is what I do
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
BingoBoingo: Hello moldysnizz
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoin inelasticity
gribble: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; About trading and value pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/about-trading-and-value>
TheNewDeal: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00073891 = 1.1786 BTC [+]
r3wt: ;;isitdown openex.info
gribble: openex.info is up
Apocalyptic: openex is still a thing ?
r3wt: development server
BingoBoingo: !up Trix You aren't owned???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00074062 = 11.3685 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: I H8 so much right nao
r3wt: eat a peach nigga, life is peachy
TheNewDeal: qntra and trilema down. fuck it i'm out
BingoBoingo: No, Matheney is going to spoil the I-70 series by losing out
BingoBoingo: And then no I-70 series
BingoBoingo: Because just broke ass Kansas City
BingoBoingo: then
BingoBoingo: And on top of it all Matheney is anti-porn
BingoBoingo: !s Matheney
assbot: 3 results for 'Matheney' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Matheney
BingoBoingo: Agree totes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00073693 = 28.6666 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up xinxi
xinxi: thanks
BingoBoingo: You're welcome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14539 @ 0.00074126 = 10.7772 BTC [+] {2}
r3wt: well good night peeps
r3wt: exit
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: hiya BingoBoingo
moldysnizz: What's good?
BingoBoingo: Oh just qntra
cazalla: glad i didn't post that pm in here
moldysnizz: I'm not sure what that is.
moldysnizz: ahhh news and what not?
moldysnizz: "dns refresh" :(
BingoBoingo: moldysnizz: Ur internet is slow, forgivable sin
moldysnizz: *chuckle*
BingoBoingo: qntra is the latest coindesk killer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007367 = 5.0096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074019 = 13.6935 BTC [+] {2}
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00073839 = 10.9651 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: from the ecdsa exploit guy mentioned om qntra: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2014kul/materials/D1T1%20-%20Filippo%20Valsorda%20-%20Exploiting%20ECDSA%20Failures%20in%20the%20Bitcoin%20Blockchain.pdf
cazalla: looks like dos is over for now
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh good
cazalla: gone again :\
RagnarDanneskjol: dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#877188 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 02:20:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla & BingoBoingo : i am having a dedicated server comissioned for this job.
RagnarDanneskjol: aiite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073714 = 8.256 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/803.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: [A Decentralized Public Key Infrastructure with Identity Retention]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.68541987 BTC. Current weight: 50,678.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9773 @ 0.00073713 = 7.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4751 @ 0.00073717 = 3.5023 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00073717 = 3.0961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00073969 = 3.1466 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00073693 = 13.6332 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/846/717/433.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15838 @ 0.00074026 = 11.7242 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: trilema qntra down too long. i scared
RagnarDanneskjol goes back to watching cat videos
dub: talk to dalnet
fluffypony: http://blog.moolah.io/2014/10/16/a-public-resignation/
assbot: A public resignation. | Moolah
fluffypony: lulzy
fluffypony: and https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/dogecoin-leaders-present-evidence-ceo-troubled-bitcoin-exchange-moolah-long-time-scammer/
assbot: Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence that CEO of Troubled Bitcoin Exchange Moolah Is Long-Time Scammer
fluffypony: I hope those Dogecoiners learnt their lesson
RagnarDanneskjol: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/its-a-trap_o_2455731.webp
dub: sure htey did
BigBitz: Ah Lemon is back.
BigBitz: Splendid.
BigBitz: I hope he gets nailed to the wall this time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00073878 = 23.508 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16994 @ 0.00073715 = 12.5271 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8172 @ 0.00073709 = 6.0235 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: BigBitz: yeah I was going to ask you about that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00073986 = 3.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20823 @ 0.0007369 = 15.3445 BTC [-] {2}
thickasthieves: mornin
danielpbarron: sup
thickasthieves: just looking at these premarkets
thickasthieves: nflx got gutted
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13931 @ 0.00073904 = 10.2956 BTC [+]
thickasthieves: they got like the triple whammy, down market, bad earnings, and hbo announced theyre going solo
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.financeasia.com/News/391285,boc-sells-landmark-65b-bank-capital-note.aspx
assbot: BOC sells landmark $6.5b bank capital note - Debt - Deals - News - FinanceAsia.com - The network for financial decision makers
cazalla: so circle email me, what a copy of my ID etc, good luck bros fuck that
cazalla: want*
Adlai: what have you been doing with your account?
cazalla: nothing, few deposits, btc withdrawls, no $$$ or bitcoin in there thankfully
cazalla: " Unfortunately, our system has been unable to verify some aspects of the identity information that you provided. At your convenience, please submit a scanned copy of a government issued photo ID, such as a passport or drivers license."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00073787 = 10.0542 BTC [-]
davout: http://imgur.com/N2I1xAP
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
thickasthieves: same here
thickasthieves: i also get forbidden for qntra
bounce: the world just isn't cool enough. sorry.
mats_cd03: its all over, time to go home
fluffypony: cazalla, why don't you just stick CloudFlare in front of it until you guys have the infrastructure sorted?
fluffypony: I mean, it's free
RagnarDanneskjol: i told him to look into digi ocean - they have built-in 'guaranteed anti DOS and are about as reliable as anything I have found - its what many of the large pools run on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5698 @ 0.00073716 = 4.2003 BTC [-] {2}
wywialm: Hello, do you know why qntra is not working and when may it start to?
mats_cd03: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2je9y6/is_it_just_a_coincidence_that_brock_pierce_is << lol
assbot: Is it just a coincidence that Brock Pierce is part of the founding team for KnCMiner and Robocoin? : Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.00073705 = 14.0128 BTC [-]
xinxi: Apocalyptic - I have added the orderbook onto the homepage
xinxi: so you can see the orderbook without login now.
mats_cd03: so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS?
mats_cd03: i am clueless about web derping and such things.
RagnarDanneskjol: it provides the illusion of security - that warm fuzzy feeling
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - right.
xinxi: people who are not familiar with these technologies may think this is safe.
xinxi: another illusion is that it can be used to identify whether it is a phishing site or not.
mats_cd03: so there is no practical reason to use it?
xinxi: anyway, many people like illusions. that’s why I use it.
RagnarDanneskjol: how many plugs for your gambling site can you work into each conversation do you think
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - are you asking me?
RagnarDanneskjol: why would you think that
mats_cd03: l0l
xinxi: it’s not gambling.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2014#872274 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2014 06:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/ << there, that's a binary option
mats_cd03: http://phrack.org/issues/61/6.html << one of ma favorite issues
assbot: .:: Phrack Magazine ::.
xinxi: They are different.
xinxi: Mine is an exchange.
bounce: https is the "best current practice" any time people end up having to feed "personal details" and such into forms. username/password for starters.
xinxi: and you can trade volatility
bounce: it's better than to not use it, but it is easily done wrong and then there's the whole problem of the PKI industry
xinxi: you can also use the black-scholes model to price the options.
RagnarDanneskjol: so ont you recall that looooong conversation about options w/ mp where you took several hours to FINALLY come out with your actual intentions - -to enroll a 'market maker' aka bagholder for your site??
RagnarDanneskjol: so you dont recall*
xinxi: yeah, I recall. you are right, I needed a market maker to provide liquidity. but that does not mean it’s a gambling site, right?
xinxi: CBOE also has market makers.
mats_cd03 coughs
RagnarDanneskjol: you say potahto
mats_cd03: it is a red flag for everyone in this chan if the biggest player in the game is unwilling to MM his own options, xinxi
mats_cd03: at the least it implies a fundamental uncertainty in the game, and at worst malfeasance
mats_cd03: this is what ragnar means when he says 'gambling site'. correct me if i'm wrong RagnarDanneskjol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00073538 = 12.1705 BTC [-] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: just trying to keep things real here - you asked for feedback. your sig on the forum claims your site is the FIRST options exchange - you clearly demonstrated that you were aware of the options emporium prior to now. you also have no experience running a business (or even having a real job) and failed to demonstrate any reason why you are better suited to run this than a 15 year old sc
RagnarDanneskjol: ript kiddie. - other than """"I have been trading FX for more than seven years and I made enough money for me to live for the following 5 years even if I don't work at all. So It makes little sense for me to run away with your money """
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.07, Best ask: 384.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 383.04, 24 hour volume: 17282.36997204, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 389.528943129
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00073497 = 3.8586 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: ;;premium bitstamp btce
gribble: Premium of Bitstamp over BTC-E is currently 1.30003384954 %.
gabriel_laddel: mats_cd03: RagnarDanneskjol: oh, the fuzzy border between fraud and incompetence.
mircea_popescu: now that promises a juicy log. brb :[
RagnarDanneskjol: quite
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00073867 = 6.3821 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14160 @ 0.00073931 = 10.4686 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so qntra was back for a coupla hours there, but down again now lol.
wywialm: the only thing visible is the IIS screen. Does qntra run on MSFT soft?:)
mircea_popescu: wywialm it should just be a closed connection, page you see is whatever your browser feeds you
wywialm: oh, fine
mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 ☟︎☟︎
wywialm: and sadly, trilema is down as well
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 377.15, Best ask: 378.85, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 378.85, 24 hour volume: 19177.01825759, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 388.182705885
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
bounce: ``I would argue immediately that voting should be mandatory and it should be online. Of course, we can cover for all the fraud and I don\u2019t think it makes the procedure any less robust, in fact quite the opposite.'' -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/15/martha_lanefox_yeuch_the_internet_is_made_by_men/
assbot: Martha Lane Fox: YEUCH! The Internet is MADE by MEN?!? The Register
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, looks like your servers are having a tough time
mircea_popescu: well this is a tiny thing was supposed to hold you know, low traffic blogs
mircea_popescu: i guess not so low traffic in the end.
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: so much of traffic these days is BS bots
kakobrekla: i have been getting shitload "?action=register" bots for some time now
kakobrekla: on sites that arent even wp
Apocalyptic: they search for /phpmyadmin on mines
kakobrekla: that too
kakobrekla: funny thing is that same ones are coming back again and again
kakobrekla: "o no wp here? lets try again in a few hours."
Apocalyptic: heh, indeed
mircea_popescu: lmao. pro tip : if you put Deny from 50.97.161.229 in your droplist ;;isitdown will say it's down.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
kakobrekla: up, but verboten
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.09, Best ask: 374.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.41000, Last trade: 374.5, 24 hour volume: 19991.90119018, 24 hour low: 374.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 387.533001503
kakobrekla: no meat.
mircea_popescu: shit i just asked half hour ago it was 385
mircea_popescu: what is this scandal!
kakobrekla: what a scamderful world
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla srsly, you don't see the big T ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19780 @ 0.00073521 = 14.5425 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: huh?
kakobrekla: on trilema? 403 verboten
TomServo: Trilema is working over here.
mircea_popescu: cheers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073722 = 8.2569 BTC [+]
wywialm: by the way, is there any doc regarding the working of the deedBot?
kakobrekla: someone should put that in the wiki
mircea_popescu: wywialm well the deedbot is atm dead, but being reimplemented
mircea_popescu: so check back in a week or two ?
wywialm: thanks for the info
RagnarDanneskjol: think it might be sooner than that even
pete_dushenski: howdy.
pete_dushenski: everyone ready for another full day of ddosing and watching the dow bleed?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic kakobrekla speaking of dumbbots, http://pastebin.com/d9ybRU9K
assbot: Host: 112.220.126.250 /fckeditor/editor/filemanager/browser/default/connector - Pastebin.com
wywialm: hello, pete
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nothing like that can happen. aren't you aware the dow is the penis of the biggest greatest richest most important country IN THE COUNTRY !?>!?!
mircea_popescu: "national", dude!
pete_dushenski: "in the entire first world!"
pete_dushenski: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
pete_dushenski: ^weird.
pete_dushenski: so pankkake is awol, no reply to my gpg-gram about vps nodes, then… this: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/#comment-3386
assbot: The Difference Between Weak Hands And Strong Hands | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: "This is so stupid on so many levels." << lol and gpg signed
kakobrekla: does it exist a collection of ips of such fucktarded bots
mircea_popescu: not publicly afaik
kakobrekla: would be handy to have
mircea_popescu: you know this is perhaps a good point... and trilema has a shitton of them
mircea_popescu: brb awking.
pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=nflx << netflix just lost 1/4 of its value o_O
assbot: NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
pete_dushenski: well, "value"
mircea_popescu: just as long as fb is still inflated~!
mircea_popescu: what's 5 bn give or take.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it was indeed over the growth SLOWdown they reported,
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a hell of a thursday/friday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25498 @ 0.00073543 = 18.752 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: and quite the oct/nov.
Apocalyptic: pete_dushenski, I thought you were actually joking
pete_dushenski: Apocalyptic: about?
Apocalyptic: <pete_dushenski> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=nflx << netflix just lost 1/4 of its value o_O
assbot: NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
pete_dushenski: Apocalyptic: lol nope
pete_dushenski: easy come easy go on wall street
pete_dushenski: i shit you not!
Apocalyptic: when you will see -25% on GOOG or AAPL that would be the day
mircea_popescu: yesterday's log about what's news and what isn't will be so lulzy once ~that one~ qntra article ends up in the position of the stormcaller, greatest news piece ever published etc etc...
pete_dushenski: http://gizmodo.com/dysons-20-smartest-inventions-of-the-year-1646884912
assbot: Dyson's 20 Best Inventions of the Year
pete_dushenski: i think the next whatsapp is on that list
wywialm: pete_dushenski, re the Dow: you should rather see the euro stoxx index
wywialm: or italy's ftsemib
pete_dushenski: wywialm: that bad eh?
wywialm: and greece bond yields climb again, we may see two digits very soon :)
wywialm: in eu, only poland strong today
mircea_popescu: argentina is fine too lol
thickasthieves: dem greecy grecians
mircea_popescu: and stoxx is Daily change (absolute)-1.21% (-34.93)
mircea_popescu: course was under 2800 earlier.
bounce: wasn't about what's news but what's newswriting. doesn't matter if it turns out to be prophetic later; prophecy isn't the function of the newsreporter.
wywialm: it was -4% today
thickasthieves: tbf, mp never claimed to be newsman
mircea_popescu: bounce orly ?
mircea_popescu: mayhap you confuse the newsman with the archeologist ?
thickasthieves: he just claimed to know details of gov conrpiracy
mircea_popescu: by its very definition news is confirmed later
mircea_popescu: if it weren't confirmed later it wouldn't be news.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15540 @ 0.00073855 = 11.4771 BTC [+] {2}
thickasthieves: semantics
mircea_popescu: like you know, math isn't news, even considering most people don't know it.
mircea_popescu: no, this is substance.
thickasthieves: joking
thickasthieves: semantics is the new debate destroyer havent you heard
mircea_popescu: only for hitler.
thickasthieves: whenever someone is defining something differently than you, just say semantics and they lose
mircea_popescu: in other news today, mp loves pulling people's chains.
mats_cd03: these hoes ain't loyal ♬
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - the sig was added before I came here and knew MPOE. I’ll definitely revise it.
xinxi: thanks for letting me know.
gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust xinxi
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user xinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=xinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xinxi | Rated since: never
wywialm: fyi: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2014/10/its_the_economy.html
assbot: It's the economy, stupid , Scott Sumner | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty
gabriel_laddel: ;; rate xinxi -2 doesn't understand that he doesn't understand English, or is fraudster/incompetent
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: what's that all about ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00073791 = 16.8612 BTC [-] {3}
mats_cd03: relax a bit, gabriel_laddel. guy's new.
RagnarDanneskjol: dude is rather deceitful imo
RagnarDanneskjol: nis nick is/was wangxinxi gabriel_laddel
thickasthieves: we got him on watch, dunno if he's done anything outright scam yet
gabriel_laddel: RagnarDanneskjol: thank you.
thickasthieves: but i share your concern,
thickasthieves: that he's here to convince us to try his exchange
thickasthieves: and to then "get hacked"
mats_cd03: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/college-application-essay
assbot: College-Application Essay
mircea_popescu: how do we distinguish this from sheer paranoia ?
RagnarDanneskjol: if you read his logs-and his innane discussions on the forum -its pretty clear.. I very rarely accuse anyone of actually being deceitful
RagnarDanneskjol: a much greater crime than run otf the mill scamming
mircea_popescu: more interested in the general point tbh, i have no idea what this kid's story is, but in general derpy newcomers with a drive and deceitful scammers with a plan would look quite similar, at least during the first 1k lines or w/e, i think
RagnarDanneskjol: i could put together all the citations, would take a while
RagnarDanneskjol: very subtle and calculated type
mircea_popescu: nah
thickasthieves: well it's what wot is for
mircea_popescu: not worth the trouble.
RagnarDanneskjol: right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00073986 = 1.5537 BTC [+]
gabriel_laddel: RagnarDanneskjol: you would classify him as "subtle"?
RagnarDanneskjol: heh - no, the deceit is
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol im not saying that persona jkudgement is invalid in any case. obviously all we have to go on is the judgement entered by individuals. but i think the general point is nevertheless interesting, how does one tell ?
RagnarDanneskjol: life experience, inference, threat modeling,etc
mircea_popescu: just as long as it doesn't reduce to a "she's a woman/politician/newbie and her lips are moving so -> lying"
RagnarDanneskjol: of course
mircea_popescu: incidentally, where have all the "are women more deceitful than men" studies gone ?
mircea_popescu: all the rage a while ago.
bounce: the low end scam is fairly obvious to spot with a little experience looking at the patters in -otc
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i didn't pick up anything whatsoever in the case of this xinxi guy. nor did i look into it in any depth. however, consider the case of the r3wt kid. now there, i did pick up roughly the same vibe i imagine you peeps are discussing. and yet, months later,
mircea_popescu: "r3wt: alright, did you have coins on OpenEx maybe? r3wt: but anyone here who may have invested in openex or be owed some money, i got you. i got a real job now so i'm on the ascent again"
mircea_popescu: turns out he was just a derpy noob after all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00073474 = 2.6451 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in any case, pattern matching is just by-hand bayesian filtering. it sort-of works, but it isn't a solution or anything
bounce: didn't quite follow that, but one might surmise there's a fine line between stupidity and malice
mircea_popescu: either that, or just kids are born malicious
gabriel_laddel: the question is, is it useful to differentiate?
gabriel_laddel: (from an investment prespective)
gabriel_laddel: *perspective
mircea_popescu: from an investment perspective, no. from a community perspective, however, yes.
mircea_popescu: in fact, making that difference is the absolute best form of charity
mircea_popescu: no doubt in my mind on that score.
mircea_popescu: it beats giving old people soup by a blowout.
mircea_popescu: to make it plainer, how does a single woman distinguish a suitor from a serial killer ? they both approach her.
mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, the true driving force behind the "impropriety" trend, that took skirts from the ankle to the hip and women from no partners to a dozen a decade.
mircea_popescu: this simple fact : the only solution is a wot, and when most men have fucked most women the serial killers stand out like sore thumbs.
mircea_popescu: this is why we can't be both rich and pure, and this is why islam in its present state has no future.
bounce: so we have less serial kills, less serial rapes, and so on now?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, can you elaborate futher on the islam part?
mircea_popescu: bounce nope. of course not. however, the incidence per sex act is lower, for one, and the woman that cares to think can pretty well avoid them.
mircea_popescu: (in the narrow definition that she doesn't go with one, abducions aren't in our universe here)
mircea_popescu: wywialm the only notable innovation islam a sa christian sect brings is the hard (and somewhat antiquated) requirement for a certain split of the gender roles.
mircea_popescu: if it gives that up it simply becomes yet another protestantism.
gabriel_laddel: !up jacoblyles
bounce: not going to happen, that with its vendor lock-in
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: but it's not going to prosper, either.
wywialm: by the way, how one can obtain historical data of MPEx stocks, as well as the most recent prices?
mircea_popescu: recent prices you can query the bots or the jsons. historical gotta talk to someone who has been doing the querying.
wywialm: you do not store historical quotes, do you?
bounce: http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: bounce does it totally blow me away ?
bounce: dunno. peak of incidence seems to've bean the 80s
mircea_popescu: still, you have sex inflation that's unaccountable.
mircea_popescu: if the pop was 100mn in 1944, and the average woman fucked 0.1 men a decade, that's 5mn fucks that decade. if you had 500 rapes that's 100 rpm
mircea_popescu: if today the average woman fucks 12 men this decade, that's 1.8bn fucks. if you have 15k rapes that
mircea_popescu: 's actually less rpm
mircea_popescu: even without accounting for the inflation of rape brought through redefinition.
mircea_popescu: if you read sexus, half the stuff in there would be prosecuted today, it was all good fun and in the spirit of sportsmanship at the time.
bounce: right enough about the population growth. and the mores. at the same time we're also opener about having the sex; they still fucked around in victorian england, just everyone pretended it didn't happen in public
mircea_popescu: they marginally fucked.
mircea_popescu: i don't think what they did would meet my definition of fucking, dunno about yours
bounce hasn't made a study about it
mircea_popescu: but they had no half'n'half, which from what i hear from other people's wives is the standard fare these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0007345 = 9.0711 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: sheesh, that's some tortured english. that's what you get for discussing killing and raping, eh
mircea_popescu: wait, what did i do ?!
bounce: not you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16759665 BTC to 16`255 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: at any rate, my argument here is that the very reason "we" are more open about it is because WOMEN are more open about it, and they are more open about it because their safety requires it and they finally figured it out
bounce: eh, can't be arsed to try and make a nice graph out of serial kills / total pop over time
mircea_popescu: well you have the excuse you're not an anthropologist, so not really your job to do that anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] [PAID] 3.75949896 BTC to 144`374 shares, 2604 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.15194624 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 448 satoshi per share
bounce: well, assuming so, that'd mean they're becoming more independent. less excuse to hide behind a strong man and so on.
mircea_popescu: right. and speaking of the victorians, they most definitely didn't have the current highschool/college situation, where pretty much every girl has fucked pretty much every guy,
mircea_popescu: unless it wasn't worth the hassle because her friends did and meh
bounce: the serial killer statistics are too marginal to really drive this though, so it'd have to be perception or something else. can't be the sole driver.
mircea_popescu: nah, marginal gains can be enough
mircea_popescu: humans are meta machines, the PERCEPTION of the danger is the driver, not the actual danger.
mircea_popescu: and for the single woman with no contacts, the situation is fucking terrifing. so this guy asked you out. well ?
mircea_popescu: !up moriarty
moriarty: think of perception as inputs to the machine
moriarty: and you don't need to consider meta anything
mircea_popescu: !down moriarty
bounce: well, yeah, "terrism" is keeping our rulers busy but realistically the risk is less than getting raped then murdered by $improbable_ethnic
mircea_popescu: that was fast eh.
mircea_popescu: bounce but $improbable_ethnic is hawt@!
bounce: let's assemble a pop band out of $improbable_ethic roughnecks and float them on the stock market
mircea_popescu: and "terrorism" is a fantastic driver of behaviour. i have all these reports about adults, ADULTS!!11 mind you, freezing in their tracks because the kindergarten caregiver has said so.
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind.
ben_vulpes: morning, fanatics.
mircea_popescu: it's beyond the inconceivable, for me.
mircea_popescu: but i'm rooting for twister being introduced by the tsa
ben_vulpes: humans can't handle statistics. big disaster with 0% likelihood freezes the brain in its place.
bounce is still groping for the reasons why the ruli^Wpoliticking elite likes it so much
mircea_popescu: or w/e that thing is called where teenagers try to touch colored spots in order to have an excuse to rub together
ben_vulpes: oh, acid.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no dude, it's for lame churchkids
ben_vulpes: no i know
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twister_(game) << there, retardopedia knows all about it.
assbot: Twister (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ben_vulpes: but touching colored spots (to the tongue) for an excuse to rub together
ben_vulpes: just crying out for a bad drug joke
mircea_popescu: lolk
bounce: moriarty: do you have a script messaging everybody in the channel about ##econometrics or something?
bounce: !up moriarty
kakobrekla: hm, i just emailed instructions for my host in de to my host in fr.
moriarty: bounce, ##econometrics is awesome
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla .de, .fr, early version of gpg keys. hope they can't decode ? :D
bounce: that isn't an answer to the question
kakobrekla: hehe
moriarty: bounce, so i just got laid with a hot russian babe
ben_vulpes: ##econometrics has its moments, but it's mostly people arguing about noise in the signal
moriarty: ben_vulpes, noise is to those who are unable to understand the signal
moriarty shrugs
mircea_popescu: !down moriarty
ben_vulpes: #btc-pricetalk, but for everything.
mircea_popescu: dude you're curdling my capuccino.
ben_vulpes: the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd.
mircea_popescu: i think i was there once, but it was tumbleweed city.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world" ☟︎
bounce: depends. was there quite a while but left. apparently the spammer doesn't remember.
mircea_popescu: considering how much they spent implanting the nonsense in the skull, it ain't never coming out.
bounce: should run for senate then, eh.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd. << you know the interestin thing about humans is, the talented musician/painter/we can transform the brownian motion of the atmosphere into signal.
mircea_popescu: more about the minds than the subject matter, i say.
ben_vulpes: no wai
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah, it worked fine back when there was one of these idiots per university. at 1k unis and 400 seats it was still feasible.
ben_vulpes: f(chaos) -> melody?
mircea_popescu: but by now, with half a million of them choking reddit and "social media"...
mircea_popescu: (and that "back then" time is probably captured in road trip. tom green is the stereotypical libertard, 1990s version)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they multiplied to the degree they're the premier failure mode of the young adult.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00073986 = 3.6253 BTC [+]
bounce: sounds like a serious luxury problem
mircea_popescu: "“Citizens capable of contributing to the development of a sustainable society must first develop empathy. This empathy will be developed through an advanced awareness of oppression and inequity that exists at a local and national level. Students will become aware of inequities, examine why these inequities exist, understand the concept of institutionalized privilege, and recognize systematized oppression (e.g. indiv
mircea_popescu: idual, institutional, and societal). " << ironically, they got there by actually FOLLOWING the education system
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the failure modes in history prior to that, which resulted from failing to follow the educational paradigm
mircea_popescu: i guess this is what you get when you adapt the schooling to "the needs and capacities" of the students.
bounce: thus we conclude that successful socialism is a good way to bring down society
ben_vulpes: in other news, i rigidified my bed
ben_vulpes: put it on felt pads for ease of moving and cleaning
ben_vulpes: and now the damn thing squeaks abominably during any vigorous motion
mircea_popescu: bounce what a novel thought that is :p
ben_vulpes: *mid-bed leg bends slightly, overcomes static friction, jitters across floor*
ben_vulpes: *everyone loses focus*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude srsly, bed SHOULD make sounds.
mircea_popescu: maybe only now have you finaly matured sexually, are fucking correctly ?
ben_vulpes: why should the bed make sounds?
mircea_popescu: cause it's getting broken ?
ben_vulpes: i dunno man i expect my tools to stand up to abuse
ben_vulpes: girl should squeal, yes
ben_vulpes: mill chatter? bed complain? hammer crack?
bounce: artificial creaking device for unbreakable beds. kickstarter, take it away!
mircea_popescu: totally.
bounce: actually, wasn't there already an app for that?
jurov: mircea_popescu:i see you sent punkman's 10000 s.bbet shares to coinbr?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc << the domains aren't the problem.
mircea_popescu: jurov and sent you a pm about it yes.
mircea_popescu: i got "* [jurov] is away (Auto away at Thu Oct 16 00:16:03 2014)"
bounce: then again, it's not as bad as that. the socialists build their own old boys club and pass cushy jobs back and forth. well-paid jobs "helping" various types of the needy with plenty of taxpayer money. all the elitism, now with extra pretense.
jurov: oh now i see ... an complaint from otr plugin that you sent unencrypted msg :)
mircea_popescu: "I would like to start by saying that in context of the below, my identity is irrelevant. My identity becomes relevant if I break the law, which is something that neither myself nor my employees have done. " herp. "i am resigning. who is 'i' ? don't ask! and take my anon claim at face value as to everything else"
mircea_popescu: who is this moolah fucktard anyway ?
mircea_popescu: jurov oddly it said nothing back to me. otr's a fucking mess ;/
mircea_popescu: !up frb
mircea_popescu: bounce idiots love pretense above all else.
mircea_popescu: and they have this tendency to imagine that pretending about pretending is going to solve all their problems.
frb: uh, thanks for the voice, is it because you know i'm admin. of 8chan.co or is it just random mircea_popescu ?
frb: because if you have questions i can answer them
mircea_popescu: frb i generally up new names, see if they're going to say something stupid or not
frb: oh, hehe. i'm not new, i idle in here for a long time.
mircea_popescu: i think most people do about the same.
mircea_popescu: so what's 8chan ?
frb: a dangerous terrorist organization, apparently
frb: we've been featured in MSNBC, CNN and CBS in the last week
mircea_popescu: heh mkay. do you have porn ?
frb: someone sent em 13BTC yesterday
frb: of course!
frb: it's like 4chan but you make your own board.
frb: 8chan.co/create.php
mircea_popescu: would you mind making a bot for this chan ?
mircea_popescu: to replace the old .bait function
frb: what would that entail?
RagnarDanneskjol: i saw an article on this guy just yesterday - huh
mircea_popescu: that when i say .bait your bot spits out a link to an image
mircea_popescu: that includes cunt and no panties.
mircea_popescu: !s bait
assbot: 807 results for 'bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bait
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#658678 << like that. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2014 09:08:41; Hasbro: .bait
mircea_popescu: except pr0nz that don't suck.
mircea_popescu: frb anyway, what's this news thing i'm missing ? all that google returns are two hits on x-box something or the other.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol where ?
frb: http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2014/10/15/4chan-wizardchan-8chan-le-guide-des-forums-anonymes-les-plus-populaires-du-web_4505380_4408996.html http://kotaku.com/another-woman-in-gaming-flees-home-following-death-thre-1645280338 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2789937/female-game-developer-forced-flee-home-twitter-user-publishes-address-threatens-rape-kill-criticised-video-game-group.html
assbot: 4chan, wizardchan, 8chan : le guide des forums anonymes les plus populaires du Web
assbot: Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats
assbot: Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
mircea_popescu: lmao mkay.
RagnarDanneskjol: i have no idea - just remember i saw it somewhere
frb: "Female game developer forced to flee her home after horrific 8chan rape and murder threats in latest sexism scandal plaguing industry
mircea_popescu: this is serendipitious, ppl kept derping at me to revive dtng
frb: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2789937/female-game-developer-forced-flee-home-twitter-user-publishes-address-threatens-rape-kill-criticised-video-game-group.html#ixzz3GKIM1bhK
assbot: Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
frb: oops
frb: "horrific 8chan rape and murder threats" lmao
frb: they fundamentally misunderstand my site, basically.
frb: i'm moving to the philippines in 10 days.
RagnarDanneskjol: so thats why yur trending. cool
mircea_popescu: it being a chan
frb: i have a partnership with 2channel, 2ch.net
frb: biggest japanese BBS.
mircea_popescu: "chans don't understand how the world works!"
mircea_popescu: ok, so what questions would i be asking you ?
mircea_popescu: said the lazy qntra nonreporter
frb: i'm not sure mircea_popescu. i have idled in this channel for a long time and never said anything, so i thought it was significant :)
frb: also we talked before, i am "kopipe" on bitcointalk forums.
frb: but i don't use them much now.
mircea_popescu: o you mean with mpoe-pr ?
frb: oh, yes.
mircea_popescu: kay.
mircea_popescu: so what's in the philipines ?
frb: in fact, since an anonymous donor sent me 13 BTC - i thought it could even be you and you were letting me know.
frb: sorry for jumping to conclusions.
mircea_popescu: well if it's anon it's anon eh.
thickasthieves: imagine of newsmedia found this chan
mircea_popescu: but they have.
thickasthieves: and your rape articles
thickasthieves: i mean in this context
frb: if you don't want me in here, that's fine. lol
mircea_popescu: hey, some of my biggest readers are indignant mainstream "jouralist" chicks
thickasthieves: 8chan retreats to IRC where rape-supportes dwell!
thickasthieves: frb, i aint saying to leave
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown 8chan.co
gribble: 8chan.co is up
thickasthieves: idgas about media dramagates
mircea_popescu: people gotta get used with the idea that their lives are in danger anyway.
frb: so, racequeen.ph is in the philippines. that is our parent company.
thickasthieves: this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on
frb: we are the international division of 2ch
mircea_popescu: their government failed, and this is what happens when your government fails.
frb: gamergate is not interesting at all thickasthieves, i am just benefiting frmo it by providing a free speech imageboard for them.
thickasthieves: word
bounce: too bad you can't just buy up a country and add some new management
frb: 2ch is the largest BBS in japan, it receives 5,000 posts per minute at peak period.
mircea_popescu: bounce o you can't ?!
bounce: you may prove me wrong
mircea_popescu: shit i've been wasting my lyf!
mircea_popescu: frb if you can prove you haveadmin access to 8chan.co i'll rate you
mircea_popescu: then you can self-voice.
frb: would an email from admin@8chan.co suffice?
mircea_popescu: sure.
bounce: how much in the way of staff do you have running the thing?
mircea_popescu: shit this is such a relief, i was seriously considering i'll have to open a chan
frb: sent to office at polimedia dot us.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate frb 1 runs 8chan.co
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user frb has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: frb now about that bot ?
frb: lol
frb: ask me in a month.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/b/thumb/1413465875742.gif meanwhile
kakobrekla: good call, having a dedi bot makes it easy to ignore.
thickasthieves: lol @ gif
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yup
kakobrekla wonders if he is the only one to see that as noise
mircea_popescu: do you ?
jurov: what? .baits?
bounce doesn't think of that as signal, no
kakobrekla: actually yea i do.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: i see it as an invaluable tool to keep the overton window wide enough so actual stuff of value can occur.
mircea_popescu: otherwise people get narrow.
bounce: overton?
kakobrekla: pussy makes one broader?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys.
bounce: there's got to be a "broad" pun in there... somewhere
mircea_popescu: ;;google overton window
gribble: Overton window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window>; The Overton Window [Mackinac Center]: <http://www.mackinac.org/OvertonWindow>; Articles: Barack Obama Climbs through the Overton Window: <http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/barack_obama_climbs_through_the_overton_window.html>
mircea_popescu: look fluffypony https://8chan.co/pone/ they got ponyS!!1
assbot: /pone/ - My Little Pony
mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu what about them gays?
fluffypony: *clicks*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hm ?
devthedev: New blog post: https://cryptodeck.com/moopay-to-stay-open/
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: "/younglove/Pedophile Support and Discussion"
kakobrekla: so only pussy makes one broader, not the dick?
kakobrekla: this cant be true.
mircea_popescu: ;;google seinfeld kramer "what if it's so true your head is spinning like a top!"
gribble: Favourite Seinfeld quotes: <http://www.systems.caltech.edu/~rao/seinquotes.html>; Cosmo Kramer (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010181/quotes>; Seinfeld (TV Series 1989–1998) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098904/quotes>
jurov checks if it has /bara/
jurov: yes it does :)
thickasthieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/blocksize-economics/ Gavin defends
assbot: Blocksize Economics | The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: "Hi guys Decided to post this here to see if I could find more people interested in this project. I am Cruel-Cherry one of the guys making the game named "Project Cherry" (working title) A game thats about raping little lolis in cruel ways."
mircea_popescu: o.o i think we have actually found the bottom of the internets.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys. < next time you wannat a real fuck, flit through 3 .baits. its all the same, isnt it?
nubbins`: <+thickasthieves> this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on << i've avoided the whole thing until i stumbled across an article the other day about that sarkeesian woman
nubbins`: bomb threat asshole says he's going to recreate the montreal massacre
nubbins`: i hope they find him and cut his dick off with a cheese grater
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait wut
thickasthieves: !up frb
kakobrekla: as far as i understood .jpg will keep you as wide as the real thing. well maybe not .jpg, but a .gif.
kakobrekla: thats why we post em, no?
mircea_popescu: that was a discussion about the discussion.
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : if it's okay to post pronz, it's okay to be stupid.
nubbins`: webm is the new gif
mircea_popescu: people need to be able to be stupid because noobs are stupid.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, everyone has an endless capacity for stupidity, and if we're too cool we'll self-censor ourselves into extinction.
kakobrekla: posting a pic here and there is not same as dedi bot for vex and tsp fap to
mircea_popescu: but no autopositng is contemplated
mircea_popescu: you hated the old .bait ?
thickasthieves: ok i have a question about this block size thing, supposing it stays is, couldnt miners just specialize if size became an issue? As in, big mining ops would filter big fees, small mining ops small fees. Then further extend this to nodes, where a node provider could make a custom wallet that automatically broadcasted the tx to itseld and the blockchain at large, and you pay a fee to them
thickasthieves: direct;ly to get relayed ... ?
thickasthieves: long short, is it a problem at all?
kakobrekla: cant say i liked it.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the hard fork is a problem, mostly because they're trying to introduce a whole slew of 0days into the protocol itself.
thickasthieves: i'm not even talking about the fork aspect
thickasthieves: which i'm totallt against in and of itself
mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.
thickasthieves: forking to add features is stupid
mircea_popescu: they could just as well retire, because they can no longer actually contribute. but if they don't want to retire they can hang around as lolcow fodder.
mircea_popescu: the matter of them actually adding something however is closed.
thickasthieves: but i was more asking whether my specific examples work
thickasthieves: whether miners and nodes could do such things
thickasthieves: cuz if they can, i just dont get why to change
mircea_popescu: well no, a block larger than 1mb can not be mined.
thickasthieves: not what i meant
nubbins`: yeah .bait sucked
thickasthieves: i mean keeping blocks same size
nubbins`: put it in another chan if you want it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7346 @ 0.00073688 = 5.4131 BTC [-]
nubbins`: regarding forks, why not just make S.BTCD and hire someone who's not a puppet to maintain the codebase?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` did you have ozbot on ignore ?
bounce: isn't that thing being maintained already?
thickasthieves: https://www.bitstamp.net/article/final-notice-to-unverified-account-holders/
thickasthieves: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102093767?trknav=homestack:topnews:3#.
nubbins`: bounce "maintained"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu nah
bounce: o_O haven't paid attention tho
nubbins`: seems the simplest solution to suspicions of codebase being diddled, no?
bounce: if it wasn't full of diddles to start with
nubbins`: hire someone to sit down with 0.5/0.6, merge sensible changes from newer revisions, toss the cruft and backdoors
thickasthieves: add new ones
thickasthieves: etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then what exactly sucked ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu my attitude, i guess
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, the problem being that the "more of the same" filter google uses is actually conterproductive to intelligence
mircea_popescu: gotta expose people to things they wouldn't seek on their own. it's the very point of rape in the first place.
mircea_popescu: they might not like it, of course. kinda the point.
nubbins`: ah get out
nubbins`: thickasthieves: at leas then you get to choose which backdoors you adopt 8)
bounce: backdoors by democratic vote? there's an idea.
bounce: what happened to that ground-up rewrite though?
nubbins`: well, i mean, who's to say chetty isn't putting backdoors into eulora and 5 years from now everybody's account gets drained?
bounce hasn't paid attention there
nubbins`: bounce ground-up rewrite will never happen
mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month.
assbot: animated.webm
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nobody, but then again eulora doesn't claim to be "decentralised yo"
nubbins`: indeed it doesn't
kakobrekla: !up GNULinuxGuy
nubbins`: anyway, i'm sure all these people running patched 0.5-0.6 would love a package maintainer
nubbins`: we'll see, i guess
bounce: "bitstamp announces unverified customer fund giveaway to government"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` problem is they couldn't trust an outsider.
TomServo: heh - I wonder what kind of numbers they're talking about in those accounts.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu this is the true detriment of not being able to code
nubbins`: you're utterly dependent on others
bounce: you'd be that even if you could code, for larger projects. it's just easier to see when you're being led down the garden path.
nubbins`: granted, sure
Adlai: coding is the new literacy
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: "how do i know brainwallet.org isn't stealing my keys?"
Adlai had to help a shopper in the supermarket find the right kind of rice a few weeks ago, realized it was the first time in his life he'd met a truly illiterate person
nubbins`: well, you don't, but if you can read a bit of code, at least you'll feel like less of a rube when you get robbed
nubbins`: Adlai my old man used to supervise seafarer/mariner exams
Adlai: it took around half a minute to realize that no, she hadn't forgotten glasses at home, it wasn't a language issue. she just couldn't read.
kakobrekla: !up Phraust
nubbins`: more than once, he allowed men to bring their wives into the exam room so they could read out the questions
Phraust: :D
Phraust: danke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6454 @ 0.00073688 = 4.7558 BTC [-]
Adlai: "very large value transactions are typically secured by real-world contracts, long-established trust relationships, lawyers, and court systems." - chief scientist of the trustless money foundation
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: how is this guy related to bitcoin again ?
Adlai: i think they went to summer camp together
mircea_popescu: o right.
mircea_popescu: somebody send him the gpg contracts article, and perhaps read it to him too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073436 = 8.2248 BTC [-] {2}
thickasthieves: from the presentation apple is giving now http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/18244/DSC_0262.jpg
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/21F7VGP
assbot: dpaste: 21F7VGP
mircea_popescu: yee
nubbins`: real-world contracts!!
nubbins`: what the fuck does that mean?
thestringpuller: qntra still DDOS?
nubbins`: guy in the middle has best hat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00073426 = 23.4229 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Appears so
kakobrekla: !up davidlatapie
thestringpuller: can we proxy the problem away like with mpex?
thestringpuller: or is this because of pingback?
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/wjrothman/status/522801788685008896 << apple descends further into parody
assbot: Apple's new "chief of secrecy" is Stephen Colbert, who Federighi is calling on the phone right now... http://t.co/frFPi496fj
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it means the idiocy derps who refuse to submit but like to pretend they're part of bitcoin hide behind.
thestringpuller: ;;google moolah.io
gribble: moolah.io - digital currency, made easy: <https://moolah.io/>; Moolah | All things digital currency. - Moolah.io: <http://blog.moolah.io/>; About - moolah.io - digital currency, made easy: <https://moolah.io/about>
mircea_popescu: tom derpy is like "o, this is *just* irc"
mircea_popescu: sorta like i'm going "oh, you're just the sec lawyer ? get a gpg we'll talk"
Adlai: lolbert https://imgur.com/gallery/74SUP
assbot: Robert Plant Interview - Imgur
xinxi: i read the log
thestringpuller: what if the SEC lawyer did get GPG? would you actually talk to them?
thestringpuller: or just negrate SEC -10 "this isn't their world go home"
xinxi: i am quite surprised and felt quite sorry that I offended so many people.
Adlai: possibly stupid question about WoT... doesn't it rely on everybody trusting gribble? what does it offer over the regular PGP trust model?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller certainlky.
thestringpuller: Adlai: you don't have to use gribble i don't think...
mircea_popescu: Adlai well other than the regular pgp being incredibly broken in so many ways,
mircea_popescu: it offers comments and rate values.
bounce: yes, and its operator, but it's a lot more convenient than gepoking the keyservers every time
thestringpuller: hmmm i never thought of that. can you submit a rating without gribble...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no.
thestringpuller: in theory there could be another point of entry without sacrificing security because gribble auths via gpg
Adlai: right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble?
mircea_popescu: !up harry_
xinxi: anyway, I won’t talk about my site here anymore.
mircea_popescu: Adlai this is in the logs. search!
harry_: hi
Adlai isn't sure what keywords to search for, to find a conversation he's never seen before
RagnarDanneskjol: xinxi - no offense taken - but NICE JOB workin in one more plug for the site.. you''re a pro
Adlai: it'd be nice if search.bitcoin-assets.com had equivalents to grep's -[ABC]
thestringpuller: Adlai: tell mthreat
mircea_popescu: you mean negative match ?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol he didn't actually plug it did he ?
Adlai: -A = after context, -B = before context, -C = both
mircea_popescu: o o
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's be a nice feature.
rithm: i usually do -N to get the lines around it myself
RagnarDanneskjol: no he didnt - I'm just fuckin with him
RagnarDanneskjol: kind of tho
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 29k@225 | 28k@190 70k@180 100k@175
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 193k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 197
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326133.84 in 109 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.64
nubbins`: then you're fucked
mod6: heheh
nubbins`: oops, i was scrolled up :0
rithm: what the fuck is ATC
xinxi: RagnarDanneskjol - I’ve already applogized for my offense.
nubbins`: rithm nothing
nubbins`: <+Adlai> right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble? << then you're fucked
rithm: none of those number make any sense to me
Adlai: rithm: they're Altcoin prices, in whole numbers of satoshi
rithm: make them die a horrible death and go away
thickasthieves: rithm www.therealaltcoin.org
rithm: NO NO NO NO NO
thickasthieves: hehe
rithm closes ears
mircea_popescu: okay, kakobrekla and anyone else interested : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tlog1.txt approx 200k lines grepped from trilema logs for 4xx and 5xx errors, and cleanned up a little.
RagnarDanneskjol: ooh nice
mircea_popescu: there may still be some straggler legitimate users caught in a 404 through no fault of their own, but mostly it's bots trying to be all haxxor
kakobrekla: curious if they match up with mine.
mircea_popescu: yeah me too
mircea_popescu: or anyone else's for that matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7730 @ 0.00073881 = 5.711 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: (the wp-comment lines are in there legitimately, btw. the way trilema works is that if an ip has a previous comment spamlisted, further connections are rejected outright. so these are all spammers, and can be used as such)
mircea_popescu: 191.235.134.39 "POST /wp-comments-post.php << stuff like this
pete_dushenski: lol new apple a8x chip from ipadair2 has a barometer
jurov: qntra.net resolves to localhost now?
jurov: i forgot what i have on my machin and got scared for a second
mircea_popescu: yeah currently
BingoBoingo: I'm still all 403 trying to Trilema ream
mircea_popescu: pm yer ip ?
mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/cuteboys/res/7482.html << lol
assbot: /cuteboys/ - Boypussy
Adlai: thickasthieves: did you ever get your FOIA request answered? (re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767183 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2014 15:58:12; ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
Adlai: nvm, found http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#844444 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 12:13:49; ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ESFx0Fir4
assbot: CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta suits up in Ebola protective ... - YouTube
Adlai: five years from now, Dr Sanjay Gupta releases a documentary about how Ebola is actually healthy
thestringpuller: blogs.bitcoin-assets.com << I give up?
thestringpuller: :(
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller on ?
mircea_popescu: "Our staffing costs alone run $45,000 a month"
mircea_popescu: heh. srsly ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence <<< lol doge leaders sounds so funny.
pete_dushenski: "I give up. Do it yourself: config.tar" << from blogs.b-a
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what the site says
thickasthieves: pankkake disowning us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00073726 = 5.2345 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ;/
mircea_popescu: a no more blogs ?
thestringpuller: unless someone else wants to do it i suppose
thickasthieves: throw em all into qntra, fuckit
mircea_popescu: s'okay.
thestringpuller: XD
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: hmm it would seem so
pete_dushenski: pankkake got turned!
ben_vulpes: baww that's a shame
mike_c: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
thickasthieves: i'm speaking for him, with no good reason, but my guess is he sees the extremism turning to cultism, turning to delusion
mircea_popescu: isn't that kinda of an extremist approach ?
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: then bloggers could earn shares!
thickasthieves: well sometimes i feel that way
thickasthieves: but its why i like it here
thickasthieves: i can be that guy poking around
kakobrekla: turned?
thickasthieves: seeing what holds up
mircea_popescu: well so could he or anyone lol.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, guy got butthurt over some linux discussion
mircea_popescu: oh, it was systemv specifically.
mircea_popescu: hasn't been around much since, so who knows.
thickasthieves: he was mad about altcoin topics too if i recall
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: into a pumpkin. past midnight?
thickasthieves: and pete's blog kinda illustrates my example perfectly
thickasthieves: particularly the post pankkake commented on
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves whassat ?
thickasthieves: so that;s my theory for his leaving!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/#comment-3386
assbot: The Difference Between Weak Hands And Strong Hands | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
thickasthieves: well pete does ham it up
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: to great effect ;/
thickasthieves: hey i read it
thickasthieves: :)
mircea_popescu: so a guy agrees, a guy doesn't agree, big deal either way.
thickasthieves: he's french
thickasthieves: waddaya want
mircea_popescu: !up poulos
mircea_popescu: i dun recall the last time someone was required to believe something they didn't lol.
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is that anyway.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/522814782165229568
assbot: Hey /gavinandresen, nice article today. Very convenient that you neglected to mention this smackdown, eh? http://t.co/q55JEZbT6R
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you didn't go to public school?
mircea_popescu: yea, i did.
mircea_popescu: but in communist romania things worked better, apparently.
thickasthieves: i just walked into a corner of sheet metal ... blud
thickasthieves: just my shin though
thickasthieves: should be ok
mircea_popescu: anyway, re cultishness thickasthieves : the one datapoint i have so far is that b-a broke the cultish misinterpretation of how to use wot/ratings prevalent prior to its existence.
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in some bruised wot accounts, danielpbarron being perhaps the best example
thickasthieves: i dont think it;s something to be defensive about so much as internally sensitive to
mircea_popescu: but as far as any sane measure can be had, this is the only open bitcoin space
mircea_popescu: i dun really see the value to the entire sensitivity.h include.
mircea_popescu: it's buggy code and i won't have it in my software.
thickasthieves: i dont mean it in an emotional sense
thickasthieves: i mean it's easy to get lost in ideals
thickasthieves: and hard to ever achieve them
mircea_popescu: except there are no ideals
mircea_popescu: which is what the entire cause vs purpose discussion is all about.
thickasthieves: in practice, i agree, there arent
thickasthieves: ideals are just focal points
thickasthieves: if you move they do too
pete_dushenski: ideally...
thickasthieves: its also why i pressed you about the article you wrote
thickasthieves: would be nice to get a nugget of proof here and there
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS? << it's not actually useful.
kakobrekla: for the purpose of keeping chumps happy.
mircea_popescu: bounce: it's better than to not use it, <<< this is perhaps the longest endless discussion i don't feel like having. is it better to have loved a whore or to not have gotten the pox at all ?! etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
thickasthieves: ;;later tell asciilifeform New imac - 27-inch display. 5210 x 2880 pixels. - no word on bits yet
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats_cd03: thats a lot of pixels
mircea_popescu: didnt stan want the pixels the other way ?
mircea_popescu: i guess that ain't happening any time soon tho.
thickasthieves: well he want pixels and bits
thickasthieves: apple's stuff so far is 6bit with 8bit sim
thickasthieves: he wants real 8bit
thickasthieves: which no one makes anymore
kakobrekla is on 7680*2280
mircea_popescu: also 2880x5210 rather than as is
jurov: iirc he wants RGB pixels
jurov: whereas pentile is RGBY where RG and BY are mapped to two pixels
jurov: i have pentile display (lenovo yoga 2) so did some research why some patterns suck
jurov: *er RGBW (white)
jurov: obv there are color rendition problems (esp. saturated yellow) but text is crisp, i'm satisfied
jurov: also, i use it only away from home, i do most work on on desktop
mircea_popescu uses 1280 px displays and doesn't give a shit
thickasthieves: mp is also color blind and reads in 72pt type
thickasthieves: <3
mircea_popescu: more like 36 but yeah
thickasthieves: with the imac you could see all the warts on your porn
mircea_popescu: i suppose that goes a long way to explain it huh, as long as your fonts are a cm tall 1k or 5k px are all about the same
xinxi: OK, the issue between RagnarDanneskjol and me was just resolved.
mircea_popescu: but i don't care about the warts.
mircea_popescu: xinxi lol what did you do
thickasthieves: xinxi, wouldnt ragnar be the one to exclaim so?
ben_vulpes: lol what was going on there?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's now asleep ?
xinxi: he has something to do at this moment.
xinxi: I just talked to him.
xinxi: we just tried to understand each other.
ben_vulpes: was he on your case for plugging your site?
xinxi: he talked about it.
ben_vulpes: p. sure everyone in here does that pretty regularly for their own projects.
jurov has "startx -- --dpi 166" on the yoga and the text is still 3mm or so. exactly as it should.
mats_cd03: yoga ideapad?
jurov: yes
mats_cd03: that thing is so troublesome with linux.
TomServo: because of optimus? or?
jurov: i have linux in emulator, use that windows 8 crap only as loader and hw interface
mats_cd03: the touchpad regularly dies, so i have to run a script with the sleep daemon to wake it up whenever
xinxi: now I am relieved and going to sleep. talk to you guys tomorrow.
mats_cd03: but the touchscreen works with suse drivers outta the box. funny how that works.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident xinxi
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust wangxinxi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
mats_cd03: people in here take themselves too seriously
ben_vulpes: i'm just curious yo
mats_cd03: not you. just in general.
ben_vulpes: b-a: srs bzns
jurov: and they use to relieve themselves before sleeping. news at 11
ben_vulpes: that's why bring .bait back
Adlai: Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly." Master Ittei commented, "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."
ben_vulpes: pet the sweaty things and don't sweat the petty things?
mats_cd03: thats disgusting mate
jurov: and then matters one should not concern with at all.. you know
ben_vulpes: like warrant transfer :P
mircea_popescu: fuck them ?
ben_vulpes: petting generally leads to fucking
thickasthieves: i hope you dont have pets
ben_vulpes: sweaty petting
ben_vulpes: i pet who i want thickasthieves
ben_vulpes: who/what
mats_cd03: ;;later tell asciilifeform did this thing ever go anywhere? https://web.archive.org/web/20121025034812/http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: gribble: you keep using that tense, but i'm not sure it means what you think it does
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19ZNK70.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
diametric: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router vs http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-2014-300Mbps-WT3020A-Multiprotocol-Portable-Mini-WIFI-Router-with-USB-data-line-Wireless-Router-wi/1691403728.html
assbot: anonabox : a Tor hardware router by August Germar — Kickstarter
assbot: New 2014 300Mbps WT3020A Multiprotocol Portable Mini WIFI Router with USB data line Wireless Router wi fi Free Shipping-in Wireless Routers from Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10695 @ 0.00073993 = 7.9136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22105 @ 0.00074008 = 16.3595 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: i see its now 600k out of 7.5k goal
diametric: theres a shill in the ks comments
diametric: thats hilarious
mircea_popescu: no bad idea ever went unrewqarded.
kakobrekla: mine mostly did.
mircea_popescu: weren't really all that bad maybe ?
kakobrekla: color me suprised.
kakobrekla: that was brief.
bounce: why do I get the feeling that gaming kickstarter is its own business model?
kakobrekla: imagine doing that and then actually doing something smart with the money.
bounce: like what, running?
diametric: !up ascii_on_tour
kakobrekla: running is smart if you need some exercise.
ascii_on_tour: yoga 2 << that was the box with the evil lcd
mircea_popescu: bounce cause it is ?
ascii_on_tour: that i mentioned a few days ago
ascii_on_tour: 5210 x 2880 << that's one of the mac-with-lcd combo boxes, so extra $1k for comp that i haven't any use for. but i'm told that one can plug in an external cable.
thickasthieves: thunderbolt only tho
ascii_on_tour: kickstarter scam << actual scam. quite like if i were to ship a repainted 'raspberry' as cardano
ascii_on_tour: and 600k! i could build six planets.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.75, Best ask: 375.96, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 374.74, 24 hour volume: 19526.71241981, 24 hour low: 371.84, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: 384.202633642
kakobrekla: hm, would those plants be near earth?
ascii_on_tour: and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back?
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SP4G82.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
kakobrekla: i mean, 100k a planet, somewhere between earth and mars... id move.
ascii_on_tour: 600k even almost suffices for escape velocity.
mats_cd03: i cackled when i saw the 600k figure
mats_cd03: ascii_on_tour: have you seen this thing/did it ever go anywhere? https://web.archive.org/web/20121025034812/http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
ascii_on_tour: mats_cd03: afaik no
ascii_on_tour: mats_cd03: and for reasons discussed earlier
ascii_on_tour: !s xilinx
assbot: 38 results for 'xilinx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xilinx
ascii_on_tour: !s fpga evolve
assbot: 1 results for 'fpga evolve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fpga+evolve
ascii_on_tour: !s xc6216
assbot: 3 results for 'xc6216' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xc6216
ascii_on_tour: ^ there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00073976 = 17.192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11597 @ 0.00074034 = 8.5857 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074053 = 7.2572 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: !up ascii_on_tour
ascii_on_tour: TomServo: ty
xanthyos: http://www.mtv.com/videos/beavis-and-butt-head-season-9-ep-12-whorehouse-going-down/1676256/playlist.jhtml
assbot: Whorehouse / Going Down | Ep. 912 | Beavis and Butt-Head | Full Episode Video | MTV
mats_cd03: hm. thanks.
mats_cd03: you will see a tell later when you identify as alf.
ascii_on_tour: ks << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2014#752679 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2014 19:49:38; asciilifeform: the people who did that kickstart, for instance, are separated from their true motherland - the uranium mines - for so long as the money lasts them.
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
assbot: Turbo Encabulator - YouTube
kakobrekla: kickstart the above ^^
ascii_on_tour: ^ ???
ascii_on_tour: ??
ascii_on_tour: aha
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/cdc-ebola/
assbot: CDC Releases Revised Ebola Management Policy for Healthcare Workers: Just Burn Everything - GomerBlog
kakobrekla: its a good vid.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Where can I get encabulator?
thestringpuller: +mircea_popescu ;;seen smickles << He's on Steam sometimes and we have been meaning to play some games. Must feel good to be retired.
kakobrekla: maybe this guy will tell you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk
assbot: Rockwell Turbo Encabulator Version 2 - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Oh shit!
cazalla: frb, are you the dude in the wheelchair?
cazalla: or maybe that is the 7chan guy
BingoBoingo: !up r3wt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00073726 = 3.2439 BTC [-]
r3wt: Bingo Boingo: still authenticating
BingoBoingo: K
BingoBoingo: !down r3wt
BingoBoingo: SHould be able to self !up then
bounce: "new computer insensitive catalog no." -- we need more of those
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 325881.43 in 107 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.65
ben_vulpes: no more penguirker either, eh
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-group-first-bitcoin-ipo/
assbot: Bitcoin Group Seeks to Launch World's First Bitcoin IPO
cazalla: mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month. <<< time to zero hdd
assbot: animated.webm
thestringpuller: misleading title
thestringpuller: "First Bitcoin IPO"
ascii_on_tour: no more penguirker either << wait what ?
thestringpuller: /msg ben_vulpes congrats on WinkDex
thestringpuller: NO
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_on_tour
ascii_on_tour: BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: ascii_on_tour: How goes the tour?
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jg38k/today_i_lost_my_only_bitcoin/
assbot: Today i lost my only bitcoin :( : Bitcoin
ascii_on_tour: what's the deal with pankkake ?
thestringpuller: ascii_on_tour he gave up
ascii_on_tour: gave up what ?
ascii_on_tour: smoking ?
thestringpuller: good question
bounce: they've started closing accounts? their "final notice" promises 28 days, presumably from the 16th onward
r3wt: shibby
ascii_on_tour: gave up << reminds me of a convo i once had with brother. me: 'worked all day trying to fix [car], and so bitten by mosquitoes that eventually surrendered.' — he: 'surrendered to mosquitoes?'
thestringpuller: ascii_on_tour: what would he have said if you said 'surrendered to the car'
BingoBoingo: Surrendered to mosquitoes and car it seems
ascii_on_tour: picture unconditional capitulation to - mosquitoes.
thestringpuller: they are your new overlords
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0007353 = 6.2868 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: guess we'll have to learn to like mosquito soup then
r3wt: can i get mine with a side of malaria?
bounce: that's seasoning
cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://dpaste.com/259T414 BingoBoingo ty for help
assbot: dpaste: 259T414: I love you Ebola-chan!
mats_cd03: pankkake will be bewildered upon return and receiving 300 messages about various things
cazalla: oh look, qntra is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00073505 = 11.0993 BTC [-] {2}
mats_cd03: i imagine a fair bit of you have numerous portable screens of all sizes
thestringpuller: cazalla: giving me false hope :(
mats_cd03: i'm in the market for something to read technical ebooks. sometimes with color. recommendations?
thestringpuller: "Google Chrome's connection attempt to qntra.net was rejected. The website may be down, or your network may not be properly configured."
thestringpuller: ;;isdown qntra.net
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
thestringpuller: weird
mats_cd03: there r too many options. kobo, kindle, kindle voyage, windows and android assorted tablets...
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: kindle doesn't hurt your eyes with the e-paper
cazalla: a little clip on light is useful for kindle too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26974 @ 0.00073499 = 19.8256 BTC [-]
cazalla: just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on
kakobrekla: http://images.eurogamer.net/modojo.com/features/199/lightmagnifier.jpg
kakobrekla: hehe
BingoBoingo: I had one of those devices
kakobrekla: me too.
BingoBoingo: !up chalbersma
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstamps-unverified-accounts-to-be-closed-balances-to-regulators/
assbot: BitStamps: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: i told you they were assholes when we klined them from freenode in 2012 or whatever
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, typo "and inists they"
BingoBoingo: fxd
BingoBoingo: https://gpgtools.org/news
assbot: GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love
bounce: re kool aid / small identity: "taxpayer" is apparently a big part of many people's identity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00073499 = 1.0657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00073452 = 12.4134 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: pankkake is back guys
Apocalyptic: at #paymium at least
ben_vulpes: is that davout's thing?
ben_vulpes: ayup
ThickAsThieves: he could at least make his case ova hea
Apocalyptic: he has a case ?
ThickAsThieves: well not exactly
ThickAsThieves: but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering whats up
Apocalyptic: i'm not up to speed with what happened to him
ThickAsThieves: he abandoned the blogfeed and such, said do it urself
ThickAsThieves: and he told pete he's stupid
ThickAsThieves: draaaaaaaa ma
mats_cd03: heh
ben_vulpes: obvious distancing job is obvious
ben_vulpes: winter is coming
dub: ;;ud distance job
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Long%20Distance%20Relationship | Having a relationship, even though it is long-distance. You may not get ... still with Ashley? Him: Yeah, we're trying to make our long-distance relationship work.
BingoBoingo: http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Code_Quality
assbot: Code Quality - OpenSSLWiki
kakobrekla: probably to no-ones surprise at this point, the pressure on bistamp is coming from usss this time.
mats_cd03: treasury?
mats_cd03: > us secret service
bounce: they're wording it like they like it ("our policies") and reportedly they're starting with the thef^Wconfiscating a month early
BingoBoingo: USSA low on coins to short?
kakobrekla: thats all i got atm.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> USSA low on coins to short? << so drama
mike_c: any word on who the "regulators" are that will get those coins?
Adlai: aren't bitstamp registered in UK now?
kakobrekla: idk and i suspekt it wont be public
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? // they are for some time now
bounce: somewhere down the line you may find they have very well-regulated pockets
Apocalyptic: but afaik Nejc & co are still in Slovenia, as is the bank
kakobrekla: let them stupid videos of how usg has no fucking clue be public and be broadcasted even live
kakobrekla: but lets not tell the bid price for them coins.
kakobrekla: ever.
Adlai: right, but the regulatory agency which gets the confiscated funds is probably the one in the jurisdiction where the corp is registered
ben_vulpes: how would anyone in here know
BingoBoingo: Regulatory agency that gets coins is probably the one that complains loudest
kakobrekla: i can see how usg will want at least usg customers coins
kakobrekla: or those who have visited usg
kakobrekla: or looked at it
bounce: or used a computer network with connections to usg at some point in their lives
jurov: grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases?
kakobrekla: fix your hosts?
dub: wat
jurov: maybe i can donate some myself?
jurov: kakobrekla it's not my hosts, it's rela dns cache
jurov: *real
bounce: drop the cache?
kakobrekla: use hidemyass or smth?
kakobrekla: inbrowser proxy
jurov: *rolls eyes* tell that to erveryone who wants to read qntra and cannot
Adlai: qntra.net works perfectly over tor
bounce: qntra.net has address 206.190.153.228
bounce: did you force dns over tor too then?
jurov: ikr? google dns does it right
Adlai: tbb
jurov: but my damn isp and many others dutifully cache it till the ttl expire
jurov: so at least decrease the ttl pls if you expect such shenanigans in future
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4701 @ 0.00073439 = 3.4524 BTC [-]
jurov: yes i'm a bitch sometimnes. but altdomains can be handy. next someone hacks qntra.net's godaddy acct
bounce: hax!
mircea_popescu: ascii_on_tour> and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back? << "free publicity" only worth something on soem chains
mircea_popescu: cazalla> just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on <<< jesus non-tpe relaitonships must suck
mircea_popescu: nanotube perhaps it's also time to move ;;ticker defaults from bitstamp to something less scammy.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> idk and i suspekt it wont be public << course it will be. they'll respond to the foia requests a month after the one month legal term. seriously. promise.
mircea_popescu: it is after all a real state they got over there, not some sort of fourth reich or anything.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases? << i dunno how this would help anything ?
mircea_popescu: a cache can be fucked up for an arbitrary number of entries as well as for a single one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00073733 = 2.6175 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes. they're out, and have a lot to repay now, our good friends in washington.
mircea_popescu: and if the price runs up, someone will have a lot of splaining to do, as ot where all the millions went.
mircea_popescu: someone who really is too fucktarded and arrogant to understand what a negligible quantity he actually is.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah.
thestringpuller: flush da dns cache
Adlai: d-d-d-drop da cache
mircea_popescu: lol
Adlai: (in this cache, 'cache' is pronounced to rhyme with 'face', as sean connery would pronounce it)
ThickAsThieves: i'd vote for bitfinex or btcchina for ;;ticker price ... it's slim pickins. I guess coinbase might even be valid.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex is a scam.
mircea_popescu: i guess yeah, there's just no way huh.
mircea_popescu: was bound to happen eventually.
BigBitz: bfx is a scam now?
mircea_popescu: now ?
mircea_popescu: when wasn;'t it.
Adlai: scam or just a bunch of incompetents?
ThickAsThieves: i partly suggest them because of my observation of price and which exchanges veer off the most
BigBitz: some definition required I think mircea_popescu.
ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking coinbase might be best now
mircea_popescu: BigBitz just because you don't bother to keep up ? https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=140484.0
assbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. | Bitcointa.lk
ThickAsThieves: since it's only one without tricks
ThickAsThieves: no orderbook, no leverage
ThickAsThieves: no margin
ThickAsThieves: no swaps
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I've not been around.
mircea_popescu: yeah, "the one which was a usg front openly and from day one, totally legit"
mircea_popescu: BigBitz not since feb 2013 ?!
mircea_popescu: how do you know it even exists then.
BigBitz: is it because they use Bitconica code? :)
BigBitz: Have some sentiment...
BigBitz: You're better than that.
mircea_popescu: no sentiments here.
BigBitz: So they're a scam as they use shitty code?
ThickAsThieves: i see nothing in this post about usg
BigBitz: or they're a scam as they're stealing coins?
Adlai: please take sentimentality to #bitcoin-sentiment
mircea_popescu: they're a scam because the people in charge steal and lie.
mircea_popescu: it's how this thing called scamming works.
BigBitz: OK so how do they steal / lie ?
BigBitz: ( I have some coins there, I'm intrigued ;) )
Adlai: for one thing, they're offering this fishy mining contract as a "beta" but taking real money for it
mircea_popescu: some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in puiblic)
mircea_popescu: and in general, you can't merit-wash a scammer with money.
BigBitz: I admit their use of Bitconica code is that of retards.
mircea_popescu: i don't care who thinks he wants to try.
BigBitz: BUT... being stupid doesn't a scammer make.
mircea_popescu: orly.
BigBitz: yarly.
BigBitz: stupidity != scammer.
ThickAsThieves: they claim bitcoinica code was replaced long ago
BigBitz: scammer may be stupid, sure.
bounce: no wai!
BigBitz: wai wai wai !
mircea_popescu: i guess you missed out on a lot of discussion.
mircea_popescu: best catch up ?
bounce: o snap
BigBitz: mircea_popescu if that's your rationale then how can I argue...
BigBitz: Those stone cold facts.
mircea_popescu: who said anything about arguing ?
BigBitz: ALL OF THE DETAIL.
BigBitz: Well, debate, question, learn, whatever.
mircea_popescu: best way to learn is through reading the log.
BigBitz: Let's move on then. Since you can't articulate.
kakobrekla: BigBitz stupid people do stupid things. you dont want to expose your coins to stupid behavior.
BigBitz: kakobrekla sure, I agree with that wholly.
BigBitz: but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers.
Adlai: btw when you say "spend 6-12mo reading #b-a logs", do you mean read that many months of logs, or spend that many months studying logs?
mircea_popescu: so you can't agree.
mircea_popescu: who are you again and why would i care or w/e.
BigBitz: agree, sure.
BigBitz: hah don't high horse on me mircea_popescu.
kakobrekla: Adlai depends how fast you can read :)
mircea_popescu: dude look here : i agree that your stupidity does not make YOU a scammer.
mircea_popescu: you're jsut some derpy dude with nary a clue left around since the early days
BigBitz: lol
mircea_popescu: back when bitcoin took just aobut anyone
mircea_popescu: but that does nothing for your derpy "arguings" or w/e you think they are.
BigBitz: I'm not an early day Bitcoiner.
BigBitz: but you knew that, right?
BigBitz: since, you KNOW ALL ?
kakobrekla: <BigBitz> but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers. < so, it takes some time. are you going to wait for it?
BigBitz: kakobrekla well that's why I was asking. Feel free to educate me as to how they're inclined to scam.
kakobrekla: by being stupid.
BigBitz: I did say "I have some coins there"
thestringpuller: i'd move those coins
ThickAsThieves: i'd say that 12-18mos of logs is probly the requirment now, the discourse hasnt been as dense this year
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves or maybe the same six months or who knows.
bounce: probably need to compile a couple dossiers. where's the intern?
mircea_popescu: truth be told time is working against us on that score, we will have to somehow create a compendium
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think reading 2013 would be great
BigBitz: I'm happy to move them - I just like to knoe some information/detail.
kakobrekla: BigBitz anyway best you keep them coins there so we can find out.
bounce: mpoe-pr was a handy-dandy reference, at that
BigBitz: Not "because mircea_popescu says so"
mircea_popescu: BigBitz looky, either you do your own research or you follow someone
BigBitz: using any exchange is exposure, sure.
mircea_popescu: there's no middle road.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I am happy to follow; but some context is always good.
BigBitz: ie; some sort of 'rationale'
kakobrekla: follow bfx users why not them
Adlai thinks improved history searching tools are better than requiring newbs to read up, since they can also serve forgetful veterans
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in public)"
BigBitz: yeah mircea_popescu, I know that, but they claim (liars, potentially) that code is non-existant on their platform now.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the thing is, the way the search is organised now, you click on the finds and it gives you the day's context
mircea_popescu: it's perhaps not ideal, but a workable substitute
mircea_popescu: BigBitz so why is that relevant ?
ThickAsThieves: bigbitz, i think the point is they were conspitors in the first place
ThickAsThieves: so whats that story?
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves sure.
thestringpuller: !up ninja_alt
mircea_popescu: "don't worry about fucking me, it's true i raped a girl last week but i washed all the blood off my cock so should be ok"
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I just like to know.
ThickAsThieves: !down ninja_alt
BigBitz: anyways... clearly there is no sane argument in reference to that, so, what's todays hot topic, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: i love density, srsly. what's not a sane argument ?
ThickAsThieves: bigbitz=pankkake=ddos source! where's my cookie?
mircea_popescu: you admit they stole, but you claim they're not scammers because what again ?
Adlai: BigBitz: i volunteer to translate. "don't trust bitfinex with your money, because they're potentially unwitting scammers through a combination of fecklessness and incompetence"
kakobrekla: such variety. i want to get off this planet away from stupid people. BigBitz wants to give them money.
bounce: I hear there's an "Ark B" scheduled for launch in a bit. might wanna get on, eh?
BigBitz: :)
mircea_popescu: eh and go where.
kakobrekla: bullet is cheaper.
bounce: well, fly after that "Ark A" that's leading the way
Adlai: mircea_popescu: earth, of course
mircea_popescu: Adlai im curious, did you figure that out from context or did you do suupportive reading ?
Adlai: looks like you have some reading to do as well :P
mircea_popescu: the translation i mean.
BigBitz: I know they could be stupid by association.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00073733 = 14.7835 BTC [+]
BigBitz: but it's better than the clusterfuck that is Bitstamp.
kakobrekla: leave britney alone!
kakobrekla: north bitstamp is best bitstamp.
Apocalyptic: who's britney nao ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but this "republicans are better than democrats" bs is neither rational nor something to ever consider.
BigBitz: Bitstamp is Best stamp.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu: I agree.
BigBitz: but I can't day trade on thin air.
kakobrekla: BigBitz what did you think of btstp 2 years ago?
mircea_popescu: so you know, just because they're not quite as feckless as bitstamp, what's that do for anyone.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: context. BigBitz seems to have a different definition of "scammer" than the rest of the channel
mircea_popescu: Adlai well it's pretty good at any rate.
BigBitz: I have a very defined view of a scammer.
ThickAsThieves: ftr i dont classify bfx as scammers
BigBitz: mircea_popescu less feckless is less feckless.
ThickAsThieves: i wont leave coin there if i'm not playing tho
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves which is a sensible view/action.
mircea_popescu: i don't envy you ppl trying to trade your cross or anything.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I just trade for fun. Nothing fancy. Bitcoin doesn't have place for TA :)
nanotube: mircea_popescu: why is bitstamp scammy? also, is there anything out there less scammy with non-piddling volume?
ThickAsThieves: nanotube, how bout coinbase?
mircea_popescu: nanotube well the recent "We will steal user's btc and deliver it to the usss" stuff is pretty much fucking the goat.
BigBitz: coinbase isn't an exchange, though, ThickAsThieves.
mircea_popescu: but you have a point, no alternatives emerge ;/
ThickAsThieves: exactly
BigBitz: It's a marketplace.
ThickAsThieves: thats why
ThickAsThieves: they have to live on top of the exchanges
nanotube: mircea_popescu: got link to that former bit?
ThickAsThieves: might be more reliable price
BigBitz: shouldn't an indiciator of price ie; a ticker show an Exchange.
kakobrekla: there is no place for an honest exchange
BigBitz: kakobrekla I strongly disagree.
BigBitz: very strongly.
bounce: the chinese aren't more reliable, are they?
BigBitz: There is plently of room/place for an honest Exchange.
kakobrekla: BigBitz you can strongly anything.
BigBitz: It's exactly what Bitcoin needs.
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> there is no place for an honest exchange // i'm beginning to think that way as well
ThickAsThieves: this cant go anywhere
mircea_popescu: nanotube http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstamps-unverified-accounts-to-be-closed-balances-to-regulators/
assbot: BitStamp: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | Qntra.net
ThickAsThieves: no exchange is decentralized
ThickAsThieves: this none can be trusted
ThickAsThieves: thus
BigBitz: An Exchange by definitation cannot be de-centralized.
BigBitz: It's not an Exchange then.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> the chinese aren't more reliable, are they? <<< we don't fucking know.
BigBitz: P2P Exchanges aren't Exchanges.
ThickAsThieves: only chinese exchange i'd consider is btcchina
Apocalyptic: the regulation burden is driving away those with the potential to do it right
bounce: well, sure. but you'd first need a jurisdiction that does away with the AML/KYC CYA BS and then you need a bunch with clue running the exchange
BigBitz: The Banking platform is the issue.
ThickAsThieves: what price is otc using these days?
mircea_popescu: god only knows.
ThickAsThieves: whatever gribble serves?
bounce: likely. peruse the order book?
ThickAsThieves: meh
Apocalyptic: depends on the individuals obviously TAT
BigBitz: buyer vs seller, ThickAsThieves.
BigBitz: like all OTC :)
BigBitz: some may pay +5% some may pay last.
mircea_popescu: most otc volume is repo anyway
kakobrekla: bounce the majority of people think regulation is cool until they get fucked.
ThickAsThieves: same for nonregulation ;)
mircea_popescu: derpy web based exchanges figure into it pretty much not at all.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: i see. i'd venture to guess they are not doing that voluntarily, so 'scam' is not quite the right word.
ThickAsThieves: semantics
mircea_popescu: they made their choice. between bitcoin and fiat they chose fiat
bounce: sure. hence the need for people understanding regulation running the exchange in a jurisdiction that doesn't force them to fuck over the customers
mircea_popescu: good for them but why should we care.
nanotube: (also thanks for the link :) )
ThickAsThieves: mp if they dont choose fiat, they arent an exchange
mircea_popescu: sure.
ThickAsThieves: unles you wanna do altcoins exchange
Apocalyptic: bounce, by definition regulation does fuck everyone: operators and customers alike
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i agree the art of dancing with goats is necessary if you agree it doesn't include fucking them.
bounce: that's a bit of a non-argument, you ought to know this
mircea_popescu: hm ?
bounce: nah, apocalyptic
BigBitz: dat Tor node.
Apocalyptic: bounce, how so ?
kakobrekla: <ThickAsThieves> same for nonregulation ;) < thats for different reasons
mircea_popescu: BigBitz lol. "o no, tor is anon" lol
Apocalyptic: the only one benefitting of the regulation is that narrow class of people who impose/enforce it
ThickAsThieves: reasons nonetheless
BigBitz: mircea_popescu wut.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic is this true of regulation say, b-a voice ?
mircea_popescu: BigBitz dat tor node.
bounce: consider the situation. stamp is being forced to "KYC", but they're taking it to eleven of their own volition. the problem then is twofold: they should know better than that and the forcing needs to go.
BigBitz: lol mircea_popescu :)
ThickAsThieves: first off let's be fair, stamp has been warning about kyc for like a year
mircea_popescu: bounce nobody is forcing anyone to anything.
mircea_popescu: it's all a "deal"
mircea_popescu: as idiots understand dealmaking.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I don't regard the b-a voice system as a regulation mecanism
ThickAsThieves: theyre just cleaning house
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and they have been warned that if they do do it, they're fucked.
mircea_popescu: also for a year.
mircea_popescu: what's unfair here ?
ThickAsThieves: nothing
ThickAsThieves: i dont care about stamp
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well but i mean, then obama doesn't regard executive orders as regulation mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: i mean what's in a regard.
ThickAsThieves: the only thing i dont like in this
ThickAsThieves: i smoney going to regulators
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's the least bad part in all this
ThickAsThieves: the rest is whatevs
mircea_popescu: they're rich but stupid, and their nose is way too up
mircea_popescu: what they'll do is bundle it with a ton more dollars and make us another gift down the road
mircea_popescu: this is welcome.
ThickAsThieves: i need two things, a place to trade and a place to cash out
ThickAsThieves: dont have to be same place
mircea_popescu: !up chetty
chetty: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/16/obama-ebola-reserves/17363251/
assbot: Obama may call on reserves to deal with Ebola in Africa
chetty: ty
mircea_popescu: lol that's gonna be riotous
ThickAsThieves: canada gon gut some visitors
ThickAsThieves: get
chetty: yeah, danged if I would go.
mircea_popescu: who wouldn't want to go into the world's arsehole to deal with a contagious viral disease that makes you puke blood ?!
ThickAsThieves: who would honestly go to ebola ground zero for obama?
chetty: (fortunately I am out of range now)
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I'm not sure I get this, do you consider the b-a voice system as such ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic well, it oppresses some people, right ?
ThickAsThieves: is all induced friction a regulation?
mircea_popescu: that's what rules are. the means to oppression.
chetty: ready reserve ...all them folks that recnetly got out ..oh yeah thats gonna work
bounce: where're those reserves gonna be deployed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20632 @ 0.00074019 = 15.2716 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: chetty do they get shot if they don't show up or how does it work ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it does indeed
chetty: beats me, I knew it was possible but I never saw it done before
bounce: 4k people, so probably all specialists. they're calling dibs well in advance, then.
chetty: like all them navy chiefs they just forced out ..
bounce: eh?
mircea_popescu: t5his would be the army no ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, so your point is that regulation can be suitable on a case by case basis ?
ThickAsThieves: all regulation causes some harm
mircea_popescu: my point is that regulation is an essential function of life. your homeostasis is the result of regulation.
ThickAsThieves: but it's a way to steer
mircea_popescu: the problem is that these days "regulation" is the name for the visible part of regulation
mircea_popescu: which is only visible because it diverges from nature.
mircea_popescu: which is why you think regulation = always bad.
mircea_popescu: yes, as implemented by socialists and in socialist states, it is always bad.
chetty: visible regulation tends to be contra nature, ie unworkable
kakobrekla: qntra now down again, or still ?
bounce: laws putting a punishment on murder count as "regulation", yet they're quite useful most of the time.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, bringing nature into this gets shakey for me
ThickAsThieves: dafuck is nature
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally or wholly unnatural
ThickAsThieves: sry
ThickAsThieves: opposites
chetty: nah, we all still breathe, and eat ..
ThickAsThieves: everything we do is either totally natural or wholly unnatural
bounce: then disregard it. the point is more that rules that "go with the flow" are less visible than rules that stand in the way and cause a diversion in the flow
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: qntra is up. check your dns records.
thestringpuller: if all else fails http://206.190.153.228
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary
ThickAsThieves: i think its the wrong perspective, and namely that,
ThickAsThieves: it's a matter of perspective
ThickAsThieves: one man;s bad reg is another's good
ThickAsThieves: maybe third man points out both suck
ThickAsThieves: whatever
ThickAsThieves: it's a thing, there's no bent to it
bounce: welcome to the united states of whatever
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, i'll quote some trilema here : http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/
assbot: Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: as the monster gets bigger, it gets less agile
Apocalyptic: "Principally, regulation seeps in where people don’t care."
ThickAsThieves: thats all
bounce: says who?
bounce: tat, you've successfully abstracted all meaning out of the meandering. that's maybe not entirely useful.
chetty: hmm seems to me it is trampling in all over, where people do care.
ThickAsThieves: i think i was proving there wasnt so much depth there in the first place
ThickAsThieves: everyone was attaching bias to all aspects
ThickAsThieves: going nowhere
bounce: from you perhaps not. the nature of rules is quite deep and subtle, though.
Apocalyptic: more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked
ThickAsThieves: fwiw i wrote to nydfs today sharing some thoughts about why they should ease up
chetty: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."
ThickAsThieves: i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray
ThickAsThieves: not the reverse
bounce: que? that means they'll take all their pre-existing stupidity with them, something bitcoiners got into bitcoin for to avoid.
chetty: bounce, that could be pretty if we get to watch them get their teeth kicked in
dub: s/bitcoiners/libertards
bounce: like the SEC?
bounce: what'd you write to the nydfs?
ThickAsThieves: basically so banks can compete with coinbase or such
ThickAsThieves: right now legal depts wont guve oks
ThickAsThieves: give
bounce: got the text somewhere?
ThickAsThieves: yeah sec
ThickAsThieves: note i just sent it quickly off so youre gonna be mor epicky than i probly was
ThickAsThieves: "This regulation just won't work other than to give big institutions a way to feel safe getting into bitcoin services. That's fine, but the fact is that this is global, and money as a concept needs to change to be a private concern along with this. A centralized government should not try to impose its ideals on the world, it just can't work, will be expensive, and will ultimately hinder
ThickAsThieves: the US in transition to the new paradigm. Odds are that bitcoin, and the people in its regard, are a sovereign that no one nation can control.
ThickAsThieves: The crimes that may be committed with bitcoin are no different, and lesser, than those made with cash dollars, an area which our government has a lose grip on itself. These crimes are ultimately realized not when the money is laundered, but when that money is obtained. Those are the crimes to focus on. You can't hide a kidnapped child in a bitcoin, you can't make a bomb with a bitcoin,
ThickAsThieves: you can't steal with a bitcoin, and you can't smuggle drugs with a bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: Please, take a step back and ask yourself, as a consumer and citizen, what you are really doing, who you are really protecting, and then consider the price that will be paid in privacy, freedom, and consumer value."
ThickAsThieves: crit!
bounce: sounds good. not that they'll listen; their motivation isn't the good of all, it's their own careers and coming up with regulation for this newfangled thing scores brownie points all over -- their own organisation, law enforcement, you name it. citizens? not important. so it only sounds good from the point of view of the important.
bounce: the reddit AMA of the ny financial regulation guy is enlightening in that respect
ThickAsThieves: sure, but i'm playing on the fact one human will read this
ThickAsThieves: not a machine
ThickAsThieves: The Fool, i know
bounce: might throw it out as an open letter to some large paper or other
ThickAsThieves: i think evoorhees has that high horse occupied
bounce: don't know until you try
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> one man;s bad reg is another's good <<< not a matter of man here. that's why nature. why would anyone's opinion count in this discussion ?
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked << it just makes the point that regulation is the stricture of death. which it is
mircea_popescu: (regulos is the god of death, in that game)
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray << not helpful. the only helpful thing they can do is say "every financial institution of the fiat persuasion has six months to get mp's okay or lose its fiat license"
mircea_popescu: that's useful regulation. everything else, as useful as piss.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the situation is exactly the reverse of churchill's "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."
mircea_popescu: that time they figured the enemy is big and it may be placated. it didn't work, originally, so they had to do a 180 and fight the war.
mircea_popescu: this time they figure the enemy is small and it may be overrun. it won't work, and they'll have to do a 180 and suck the cock.
mircea_popescu: so this time, they're chosing war and will have dishonor.
thestringpuller: whose cock?
mircea_popescu: it's an abstraction.
mircea_popescu: no one actual cock could serve for this role, because it is to provide abject and complete humiliation.
thestringpuller: it's like constructing a hanging machine
asciilifeform: a telephone pole ought to work, as its equivalent did in past centuries.
thestringpuller: construct a giant cock for them to suck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. pain and a painful death are actually honorable.
mircea_popescu: http://www.anyclip.com/movies/casino/gingers-end/ << something more like this.
assbot: Ginger's End from Casino | Anyclip
asciilifeform: eh that's a christian hallucination
asciilifeform: (the notion that any and all pain is honourable)
asciilifeform: every sane culture afaik has a humiliation+pain combo
asciilifeform: available for deserving clients.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: jp had seppuku (honourable) but also haritsuke (look it up...)
mircea_popescu: if it were a hallucination it wouldn't be quite so evenly distributed ethnically and geographically.
mircea_popescu: sure, but the latter's an artifice.
asciilifeform realizes that one-size-fits-all humiliation is not optimal, probably needs to be custom per client, a la 'room 101.'
mircea_popescu: it's really self inflicted, that thing.
asciilifeform: yes. without the client's cooperation, not possible (as pictured in the book)
asciilifeform: but, usually he provides it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00073866 = 5.6877 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: afaik - some variant of gibbeting/outdoor starvation is mostly cross-cultural
asciilifeform: experts - comments ?
mircea_popescu: what, like stilpniki
asciilifeform: like the little binding post in the cloaca maxima
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stolpnik
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asciilifeform: ah him
asciilifeform: afaik he was a volunteer
mircea_popescu: so aren't you ?
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: who isn't a volunteer ? obama and herr speer both are volunteers.
asciilifeform: didja mean herr canaris ?
mircea_popescu: the architect dude
mircea_popescu: you know, "the nazi that said sorry"
asciilifeform: aha yes
mircea_popescu: listend here in the sense of "people who volunteer both ways", nothing else. not meaning to imply speer had a quota degree or that obama can use the noggin
asciilifeform: we call that - приспособленец.
mircea_popescu: (incredible, incidentally, that people who supposedly invest resources into getting a degree aren't even bothering to mention the distinction between actual degrees and quota degrees)
mircea_popescu: it seems reasonable that any degree given to any "protected minority" by any university with a quota programme should be discounted.
nubbins`: ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец
mircea_popescu: rly ?!
nubbins`: no :(
asciilifeform: approximately 'adaptablefella'
nubbins`: i said "snofshanofshanof" to myself as i pasted it ;/
asciilifeform: aka, very roughly, turncoat, but with the implication of being a stinking little chameleon who never wants for anything regardless of who's on the throne
asciilifeform: by virtue of powerful cock-suction compressor
mats_cd03: o_O
nubbins`: mats_cd03 they sell em at princess auto
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: sell what ?!
BingoBoingo: cock suction compressors
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: POWERFIST brand
mats_cd03: i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once
nubbins`: nb, nb
mircea_popescu: o/O
nubbins`: for a bitcoin, or..?
mats_cd03: i was home alone and 11
ThickAsThieves: <+nubbins`> ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец /// lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20012 @ 0.00073743 = 14.7574 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jf44p/bittrader_defunct/
assbot: Bit-trader defunct. : Bitcoin
kakobrekla: The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.
kakobrekla: lol wat
asciilifeform: tale not built to be believed.
asciilifeform: it's a fuckyou
bounce: why even bother with the sob story? just vamoose already.
asciilifeform: probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear?
bounce: gather more funds to pay off the "robber"?
asciilifeform: perhaps the chumps can be fleeced yet more?
asciilifeform: ^
kakobrekla: i thought you need to wait for recharge
jurov: "i'll return the booty if 25% more is raised"
jurov: i cant even...
kakobrekla: well it makes sense, you see 100+25-25=100
jurov: totally
asciilifeform: carnival trick, if i recall
asciilifeform: where chumpwheel operator offers a chance to 'win back' loss for $smallint
jurov: usg debt policy, too
asciilifeform: only so many basic mechanics for running chumpatron.
bounce: oh, there it is. it's not teh jooz, nor the big bankers, it's the carnies that're secretly running the usg!
jurov: aye it's one big fair
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? <<< will be valuable in future, those.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the basic unified theory for all the sc4mz0rz who don't simply take the money&run, never to be heard of again
mircea_popescu: <jurov> aye it's one big fair << hence the preoccupation with "fairness"!!!11
mircea_popescu: shit boys, the plot's unraveled!