⏐︎▁ 5328
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9944 @ 0.00044224 = 4.3976 BTC [-]
nubbins`: !up OneNomos
nubbins`: !up theotcguy
OneNomos: ty nubbins`, lurking for now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5278 @ 0.00045381 = 2.3952 BTC [+]
nubbins`: !up twizt
twizt: random voice outs? lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57150 @ 0.00045245 = 25.8575 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: happens all teh time.
[]bot: Bet created: "BitPay to process $12M or more during 2014 Bitcoin Black Friday" http://bitbet.us/bet/1072/
[]bot: Bet created: "Case hardware wallet theft reported before November 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1073/
mats_cd03: what's with the weights on these bets?
kakobrekla: they go to 1?
mats_cd03: im seeing 0 weight yes and no for both
kakobrekla: yeah wait a block
mats_cd03: oh.
kakobrekla: or refresh
kakobrekla: it happened
mats_cd03: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 34 seconds
kakobrekla: sez on bottom of page
kakobrekla: Last block: 2 minutes ago (331060)
mats_cd03: they're displaying now, i didn't know that happened with new bets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75154 @ 0.00045067 = 33.8697 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00045307 = 11.4853 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/senate-blocks-nsa-phone-records-measure/2014/11/18/41275bfe-6f88-11e4-a2c2-478179fd0489_story.html
assbot: AP Exclusive: Before Snowden, a debate inside NSA - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOqZiH )
decimation: "The now-retired NSA official, a longtime code-breaker who rose to top management, had just learned in 2009 about the top secret program that was created shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. ... “An individual did bring us these questions, and he had some great points,” Alexander told the AP. “I asked the technical folks, including him, to look at it,”"
decimation: Alexander seems to be a master at deflecting blame
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00045466 = 18.2319 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9483 @ 0.00045466 = 4.3115 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/peter-thiel-explains-why-bitcoin-isnt-money/ << lol more laffs for popescu
thestringpuller: "The idea that taxes drive the value of money.known as chartalism.goes back at least as far as German economist Georg Friedrich Knapp.s 1905 book .The State Theory of Money."
thestringpuller: laffs for mircea_popescu *
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: mebbe thiel should stick to what he knows
mircea_popescu: whatever that is.
decimation: he knows how to please those who please the state
decimation: he knows how to please those who please the state
mircea_popescu: a right. mkay.
thestringpuller: sounds like a definition of a prostitute.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110090 << if anyone feels like explaining to the kid 'what the unix/linux values are'
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWs391 )
mircea_popescu: i feel unequal to the task.
asciilifeform: trilema no loady
mircea_popescu: eh wtfd.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
decimation: heh yeah I read that. to be honest, I'm not sure the existing init system is worthy of much praise
mircea_popescu: decimation i can see that point.
decimation: but systemd is worse, in the sense that it adds a layer of obfuscation
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: just because your old clunker is rusty doesn't mean you should add a bamboo patio on the roof.
decimation: now, it does give some functionality in exchange - faster boot times, 'carefully managed' boot process, etc
asciilifeform: actually we have here a rare case of danger from an unwillingness to move from the technological into the political gear of thought.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, exactly what monoturdism usually promises.
mircea_popescu: then fails to deliver.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ? ☟︎
decimation: nope, what does that mean?
asciilifeform: poettering and his followers have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to build a non-diabolical doorknob, much less init system
mircea_popescu: think of a supermarket as if it were a giant, walking the land of midgets.
mircea_popescu: should it find a nice place to sit for a while, such as a neighbourhood, it will be fine for as long as it sits, and when that's done can walk away
mircea_popescu: the stool he sat on, however, will never recover from having been sat upon.
decimation: in the sense that the midgets were all slain
mircea_popescu: ye, the people that left in exasperation at all the sprawl won't come back.
mircea_popescu: the shops that were closed by its competition won't return
mircea_popescu: soon enough you turned greenwich village into detroit.
mircea_popescu: now, this is a general economic principle, and it applies jut as well to monolithic coding approaches.
mircea_popescu: at first they promise "jobs for everyone and cheapoer prices"
mircea_popescu: then they don't deliver
mircea_popescu: then they leave.
mircea_popescu: compare ms-dos, still to this day accepted here as a paragon of programming,
mircea_popescu: with microsoft windows.
decimation: the window of economic possibility is narrowed
mircea_popescu: so, yes, "faster boot times". a more irrelevant metric could scarcely be devised.
mircea_popescu: how about "my uptime is longer than poettering's coding experience". what bootup "?
decimation: now the question is, are the economic possibilities of the midgets really narrowed, or do they just perceive that they are?
mircea_popescu: they are really narrowed. what happens there is treason. treason never works politically.
mircea_popescu: specifically, some midgets betray some other midgets, which they need to survive.
mircea_popescu: those latter midgets leave
mircea_popescu: and the former can't live.
mircea_popescu: the best case study for this in my view is romania in the 30s. idiot, indolent romanians allowed the worst among them (iron guard, dubious local fascist wannabe) to assassinate the best romanian that then lived, one duca.
mircea_popescu: without him, romania spent half a century in the warsaw shitter. with him, it'd have probably been greece instead.
decimation: this idea could also explain why debt-funding (usg bank style) is ruinous compared to capital-funding in the long run
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/trei-exemple-si-o-concluzie/#comment-39254 << duca reference, for the perenially curious.
assbot: Trei exemple si o concluzie. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWu0lR )
decimation: at any rate, asciilifeform makes a good point, the main ding against systemd is that its main author has written several well-known turds, thus the fruit of the tree
mircea_popescu: it's that "first they came for x but i said nothing" thing, exactly. it's not in any sense a novel or a marginal idea.
asciilifeform: decimation: no.
mircea_popescu: and it goes right into the extraction economy discussion. you familiar with that one ?
asciilifeform: decimation: not simply 'known turds,' but the -behaviour- of him & followers.
decimation: I don't follow the extraction economy comment
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'join or die' mentality?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ << reference.
assbot: Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWuf07 )
mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/5Qj8p-PEwbI
assbot: Ubuntu Causes Girl To Drop Out of College - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWudpg )
mircea_popescu: yeah, she sounds just like a college chick.
mats_cd03: i was tickled by the chick flipping through a picture book
decimation: "her verizon internet cd won't load on ubuntu"
mircea_popescu: legit complaint.
decimation: her problem is that she is a tiny, aimless midget in a world where massive giants are wondering, and they get 'roided daily with debt
mircea_popescu: basically, her problem is that the people who can think have decided lying to her is okay.
mircea_popescu: and certainly better than hurting her.
mircea_popescu: it's a pov. i don't happen to subscribe to it is all.
decimation: yeah, it is the exact opposite of that german education circa 1880 that we discussed earlier
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: "I also have no doubt that Poettering has received such attacks. Unfortunately, that comes with being a public figure on today's Internet. I myself have gotten death threats serious enough that I've turned them over to the FBI"
mircea_popescu: somehow the quality of the assholes in question never comes before the debate.
mircea_popescu: it's not that poettering gets pissed on wherever he goes because he in point of fact is a poitless, middlesome imbecile.
mircea_popescu: oh, no. it's because the internet is bad. because when you get negative feedback, you gotta blame the feedback.
decimation: that suddenly makes me sorry for fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet
mircea_popescu: anyway. the right way has to be defended.
mircea_popescu: it's not just that systemd is a piece of shit.
mircea_popescu: it's that poettering personally is a malignancy, that what he says is poisonous, not just for the free world but individually for people that are intellectually mature,
asciilifeform: that's sorta what i was trying to explain
mircea_popescu: and that the groups he tends to attract and promote are nothing short of malicious.
mircea_popescu: that he dares to spin this entire web where "he puts the blame" on linus is nothing short of outrageous.
mircea_popescu: any cat may look at the king. sure. no cat may file a suit against the crown.
decimation: so, this girl should have been told "You are not smart enough to become a scholar, but you have the material needed to become an excellent wife - learn to make non-lashable cooking, darn socks, and be feminine"
mircea_popescu: quite.
decimation: the receiving fbi agent should have had the same to say to poettering
mircea_popescu: problem is, the derps in the studio should have a) been repressed enough that they never dared think of speaking in front of the camera, let alone be allowed to do it
mircea_popescu: and b) be told the exact same thing.
mats_cd03: b-but that's sexist
mircea_popescu: stupidity is genderless.
mircea_popescu: decimation r fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet << check this shit out!
mircea_popescu: !s gestapo
assbot: 15 results for 'gestapo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=gestapo
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2014#908866 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 02:49:05; decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately
decimation: yeah I think I mentioned about how the gestapo used the same effect to 'terrorize' the population
mircea_popescu: not even a matter of going that far.
mircea_popescu: my point is, in a socialist system, be it us-socialist or national-socialist or soviet-socialist or anything it may be
mircea_popescu: the supposed fbi/gru/gestapo/etc is simply a toilet box for the public idiocy.
mircea_popescu: this is a very visible symptom of the problem of well metastasized socialism : a general sense of entitlement in the crowd of idiots. an unwarranted expectation of efficiency on their part.
mircea_popescu: the pernicious idea that they matter and can do things. etc.
mircea_popescu: in short, what do we observe right before a kinetic crash ? why, a body with high energy density and low navigational control.
mircea_popescu: now, go ahead and explain this to pankkake somehow. but in such a way so it fits his preconceptions comfortably.
decimation: there are millions of pankkakes who have become comfortable with living in whatever jungle conditions they find themselves
decimation: they might even find a particular patch of jungle that is more pleasing than another
mircea_popescu: sure, but that's cleaved. personal experience is one thing, personal understanding another.
decimation: it might be the case that this kind of understanding can only be had through a few cycles of systemds
decimation: * a few cycles of personal systemd experience
mircea_popescu: in any case, no amount of energy put into cutting short the ego and curbing the enthusiasm of the general population is wasted.
mircea_popescu: just like it's better to run a car just slightly slower than the maximum speed at which you can control a car, just so it's better to aspire to less than what one can actually do.
mats_cd03: not as long as people like poettering keep breathing amd contributing.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 the one thing three eyar olds have in common across language and geography is this tendency to bring you a piece of paper they took a shit on, for your admiration.
mircea_popescu: aka, they "contribute".
mircea_popescu: ;;google maddox better than your kids
gribble: I Am Better Than Your Kids - Page 1: <http://www.iambetterthanyourkids.com/>; I am better than your kids. - The Best Page In The Universe.: <http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=irule>; Crappy Children's Art: Maddox: 9781439182888: Amazon.com: Books: <http://www.amazon.com/Crappy-Childrens-Art-Maddox/dp/1439182884>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22193 @ 0.00046024 = 10.2141 BTC [+]
decimation: semi-related lols (warez): http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/denigration-of-the-great-revolution/ "The latest Assassin’s Creed video game takes place in Paris during the French Revolution, and French leftists are appalled that the heroes of the People are depicted as bloodthirsty savages:"
assbot: Denigration of the Great Revolution « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1uNEPQQ )
decimation: I want to play a game where I can stab Marat in the back
asciilifeform: i want to stab authors of www browsers who enable 'right click disable' in the front.
asciilifeform: and back.
decimation: asciilifeform: a betrayal of the first order, this, the computer serving someone other than its master
asciilifeform: paradoxically, it is actually more annoying to me than to most lamers, because i end up doing some actual work, to grab the machine by the neck until shits itself into submission
asciilifeform: whereas lamer can surrender and go on with his life
decimation: I wonder if one can 'disable' the javascript hook that causes this
thestringpuller: whenever I fuck up my economy in sim city I just raise taxes and it all works out!
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
kakobrekla: !up Belxjander
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: !up Belxjander
Belxjander: Hello...
Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer
Belxjander: just wish the channel names stayed in the same order as set
kakobrekla: you only need this chan
kakobrekla: then it will be first, last and in order
Belxjander: I'm not that accepting of PR
kakobrekla: yeah have you seen the logs?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: curl -v is verbose, grep -v is inverted match.
mircea_popescu: this makes so much sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00046421 = 11.6981 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
mircea_popescu: what exactly is a source mage, and especially an elementalist ?
mircea_popescu: gah brb
punkman just fails at CLI option recall
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah im not that close to it to recall the stuff, half the time im trying to guess, and i mean wtf -v
mircea_popescu: !up ParadoxBTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.0004593 = 15.8229 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so basically systemd should be renamed kudzu
decimation: you mean kudzu the linux package or the invasive plant?
mircea_popescu: the invasive plant
punkman: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thimbleweedpark/thimbleweed-park-a-new-classic-point-and-click-adv
assbot: Thimbleweed Park: A New Classic Point & Click Adventure! by Ron Gilbert & Gary Winnick — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMelW )
mircea_popescu: o hey
decimation: well, you can clearly see the strategy of 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
mircea_popescu: myeah.
punkman: '"I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!" This reward tier instantly absolves you of all guilt and includes the Thimbleweed Park game. All subsequent tiers also include guilt absolution.'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: hey, giving ron gilbert money is a lot more merituous than whatever, giving buterin awards.
decimation: yeah, at least he will make some amusing warez in exchange
punkman: I gave money to Tim Schafer and all I got was half a game
punkman: http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/21/7265561/double-fine-lays-off-staff-as-unannounced-project-falls-through
assbot: Double Fine lays off staff as unannounced project falls through | Polygon ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMmSr )
mircea_popescu: punkman i dun recall that guy.
punkman: also from LucasArts
mircea_popescu: Jon Van Caneghem i'd give some money to
mircea_popescu: i mean pretty much all good games are his. from king's bounty to homm etc.
mircea_popescu: hey jon! get in the wot!
punkman: I never got into the might and magic series
punkman: dunno why
mircea_popescu: one question left hanging in my head : once all the effort trying to push systemd is spent, why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head. specifically, that runs as an instance even if the root doesn't have it, and that masquerades as systemd to satisfy fake dependencies.
punkman: uselessd perhaps
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: basically, gut it, use the remaining shell as a systemd-standardized interface for sane components.
mircea_popescu: no need for all the shit it bundles to be actually bundled.
punkman: there are some people working on it
punkman: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140915064856
assbot: GSoC 2014: Systemd replacement utilities (systembsd) ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMxxj )
mircea_popescu: http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png << t5his, if anyone's still genuinely wondering, is half the bile against poettering.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMvVZ )
mircea_popescu: he has exactly nothing to do with "tea party", this is beyond hot topicizing the issue.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like a stolid square from the 60s calling his woody a "party van".
mircea_popescu: " All I can say is that there is stable LTE service between Texas and Colorado that work at speed in excess of eighty-eight miles per hour and that one can do a lot with a macbook charger, a working alternator, a bit of cabling and entry-level electrical engineering knowledge."
mircea_popescu: da fuck
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-K8R1hDG9E
assbot: Grim Fandango OST - Full Official Soundtrack - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnMDVs )
decimation: actually, the bigger question about systemd dependencies is this: what dependency of systemd is actually worth bothering about?
mircea_popescu: decimation http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ <<
assbot: Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1v69tq1 )
mircea_popescu: more dependencies than needed anyway. creatinbg even more fucking bloat is the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: what they should do would be to remove like 90% of the current dependencies.
mircea_popescu: gvfs depedning on netbase is perhaps the biggest example. who the fuck ever heard of this.
decimation: heh yeah and apparently ntfs from your article
decimation: if you have ever used an 'android' system you encounter a similar thing when using their app 'permission' system. one ends up being a hostage to the app's demands for access
decimation: the only solution is the 'via negativa'
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculous is what it is.
mircea_popescu: the other even more ridiculous thing is, infantile minds going LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU WHY CANT YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO SAY!!1
punkman: another fun exercise, trying to install Linux on 3TB disk ☟︎
mircea_popescu: look at the sort of idiotic windows nt topics we're discussing.
mircea_popescu: on linux ffs. and then "So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using""
mircea_popescu: and then they bitch when people want to do them violence. they should be fucking thankful, a good whipping'd benefit em immensely.
punkman: http://lwn.net/Articles/619784/
assbot: High-DPI displays and Linux [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnNiGG )
punkman: "Your editor's laptop recently started to fall apart, to the point that some sort of action was required. Duct tape was considered as a solution; it would show that LWN is making careful use of its subscription revenues"
asciilifeform: punkman: this is a ludicrous non-problem. where is even one proggy worth using without configurable font.
asciilifeform: punkman: the 'solution' from the linked article (throw away the res, 4 pixels for 1) is even more obscene than the supposed 'problem'
punkman: agreed
asciilifeform: this is easily the most putrid crock of shit i've seen in ages, masquerading as 'linux article'
asciilifeform: author - straight to biodiesel.
asciilifeform: co-miserators - straight to biodiesel.
asciilifeform keeps a machine around with precisely that screen part #. and no shitgnomery required.
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, is the issue with 3TB disk ?
asciilifeform: did i just wake up in parallel universe, where fonts aren't vectorized and do not scale, and we're still using 24-bit LBA for disk access ?
punkman: well I didn't keep notes, but I eventually just installed to 1TB disk
asciilifeform: why?!
punkman: mostly wouldn't boot
asciilifeform: dual boot with turdblows?
punkman: no, but I've tried that on different machine, similar problems
punkman: maybe I'm just stupid, dunno
asciilifeform: why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head << no.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2014#929521 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-11-2014 04:57:26; asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway.
asciilifeform: the solution is not taxidermy. do we taxidermy cockroaches? mice ?
asciilifeform: for shitgnomes, only one correct treatment: damnatio memoriae.
asciilifeform: of author -and- his works
asciilifeform: i don't want to smell poettering in my house.
asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not,' in the zoo, i would not, could not, with a gnu, i would not, could not, in a cage, i would not, could not, with a mage...
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate.
assbot: Belxjander +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53831 @ 0.00046603 = 25.0869 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
mircea_popescu: so, it'd seem the various issues some people were experiencing were in fact due to upstream filtering due to an unfortunate interaction of various rules. should be fixed now, so,
mircea_popescu: ever more vigurously than befoar, pls to report if connectivity problemz.
cazalla: ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down
cazalla: Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person.. anyway, this is the only channel you need
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38568 @ 0.00045783 = 17.6576 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80200 @ 0.00045138 = 36.2007 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2n261b/buttcoin_is_worth_its_weight_in_gold/ "teh r/buttcoin is the only non-circlejerk" circlejerk :)
assbot: Buttcoin is worth its weight in gold... : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1tnXqyZ )
jurov: redditards being themselves
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/european-parliament-mulls-google-breakup/
assbot: European Parliament Mulls Google Breakup | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/152oM9F )
nubbins`: cazalla she's not coming back
nubbins`: block 201584 and counting
xanthyos: hi
BingoBoingo: Hello
BingoBoingo: Is today the day gauze maybe comes off?
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: what, they're bandaging broken dicks now?
nubbins`: in my day...
nubbins`: !up kleinessteak
nubbins`: !up cypherc
danielpbarron: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/magazine/the-secret-life-of-passwords.html Not long after the planes struck the twin towers, killing 658 of his co-workers and friends, including his brother, one of the first things on Lutnick’s mind was passwords. ... No one knew the passwords for hundreds of accounts and files that were needed to get back online in time for the reopening of the bond markets. Cantor Fitzgerald did hav
assbot: Log In ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcr0OH )
danielpbarron: Cantor Fitzgerald did have extensive contingency plans in place, including a requirement that all employees tell their work passwords to four nearby colleagues. But now a large majority of the firm’s 960 New York employees were dead.
danielpbarron: Jesus Christ caused 9/11, perhaps in part to punish this guy for having an atrocious "contingency plan"
danielpbarron: The attacks also knocked out one of the company’s main backup servers, which were housed, at what until that day seemed like a safe distance away, under 2 World Trade Center.
danielpbarron: Many of the missing passwords would prove to be relatively secure — the “JHx6fT!9” type that the company’s I.T. department implored everyone to choose.
danielpbarron: just keeps getting funnier the more I read on
danielpbarron: The same human sentimentality that made Cantor Fitzgerald’s passwords “weak,” ultimately proved to be its saving grace. << the fiat world -- saved by weak security
mats_cd03: 4:40:08 <+cazalla> ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down << now you know why she hates you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53794 @ 0.00044699 = 24.0454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00044689 = 10.9935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19109 @ 0.0004561 = 8.7156 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/bMq1PiUbf-M
assbot: 9/11 Building 7 - Martin Noakes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcFSwk )
mats_cd03: "Linux full disk encryption does not really work, for that matter." << anyone know what mp is referring to here?
mats_cd03: i suspect he means keys need to be stored in RAM for decryption
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: this plus the fact of the decryptor routine itself normally stored on disk
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: where it can be overwritten by pwner with a version that saves key
mats_cd03: a
asciilifeform: 'the time has come, the walrus said, to talk of many things: of shoes, and ships, and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings; and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings...'
asciilifeform: specifically, there is a vandal lurking in #b-a who 'metasploits' uncloaked folks
asciilifeform: about 2 in 3 of extant consumer-grade routers have published remote anal orifices.
asciilifeform: cheers.
kanzure: haha metasploit
kanzure: v. professional
kanzure: such leetness
asciilifeform: not necessarily 'metasploit' but perhaps a similar autodiddler.
kanzure: don't they know it only counts if you come up with a novel zero day? otherwise all the points go to charity.
asciilifeform: lol
kanzure: (and who wants that?)
kanzure: asciilifeform: okay to pm?
asciilifeform: sure, though i'm about to eat
mats_cd03: msf isn't necessarily an amateur tool, though it is used by amateurs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.1 = 6.7 BTC [-]
kanzure: .title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=437926.0
assbot: If I was chairman of the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1xDre0T )
punkman: so deeds server was maybe hacked
punkman: bitcents still at address though
asciilifeform: punkman: what suggested that it was hacked ?
punkman: kakobrekla got a mail that an attack was originating from the deed server
kakobrekla: all i can say (as i dont have or had access to the machine) that there is something that looks like ddos + complaint from outside of do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00046599 = 14.8651 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00046319 = 9.2175 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1284 @ 0.0012111 = 1.5551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00046159 = 8.3086 BTC [-]
cazalla: nubbins`: cazalla she's not coming back <<< if only i were that lucky
cazalla: mats_cd03: 4:40:08 <+cazalla> ermagawd, missus gone for weekend, this raising a kid on your own shit is tiring, finally in bed and i can sit down << now you know why she hates you <<< what else would you have a woman do, designed to produce and raise children afterall
cazalla: gee, shortest log ever or what?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00047099 = 13.2348 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 240 @ 0.01115126 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 54 @ 0.07014814 = 3.788 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: to briefly continue this morning's thread - don't rely on freenode's 'cloaks', if you have a consumer garbage-grade router on your premises, throw it out, replace with actual router.
jurov: https://slush.eviacloud.com/
assbot: Eviacloud.com - Bury your old hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaeVHs )
jurov: ^ dudes feel pathetic (and don't accept btc)
asciilifeform: 'As the biggest online newspaper in Slovakia we need to effectively handle everyday peaks in traffic on our online discussions regarding "women segment".' << wat
jurov: lol i dunno what hey mean... bitches prolly come to work, make coffee and start browsing
jurov: en masse
mircea_popescu: lmao jurov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen to recall that trilema article where i went in depth into the economics of spamming ?
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: the one with the idiot who posted raw spamgen script ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe ? the onle where the entire cycle of kid sees spam -> kid imagines this works because it exists -> kid tries it for a while, thus perpetuating it -> kid fails to make any money goves up -> new kid
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna rewrite the whole thing ;/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu
assbot: And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zag0yY )
mircea_popescu: fuck. thank you!
mircea_popescu: i managed to fucking troll myself with my own trolling title choosing process
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pakistani-scammer-spammer-working-for-sanofi-aventis-pakistan-ltd-aka-indus-pharmacom/
assbot: Pakistani scammer & spammer, working for Sanofi-Aventis Pakistan LTD, aka indus-pharma.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zagjKa )
mircea_popescu: apparently they're molesting britni
mircea_popescu: !up chiral
mircea_popescu: hey there chiral.
kakobrekla: no but i had to take it down cause i hated some css
mircea_popescu: !up cb_bitcoin
kakobrekla: true story
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?!
mircea_popescu: !up Dr-G2
mircea_popescu: !up huseby
mircea_popescu: !up ll
mircea_popescu: !up nhanH
kakobrekla: once you enable private network all the charts in their ui become unreadable colors form some unknown fuckin reason. i wanted old colors back, cant do it without downtime. fuckers.
mircea_popescu: !up PsychoticBoy
mircea_popescu: !up simlay
mircea_popescu: hallo names i'm unfamiliar with! how are you today ?
mircea_popescu: !up psychouroboros
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: author - straight to biodiesel. co-miserators - straight to biodiesel. <<< there's lizzard hitler, and then there'
mircea_popescu: s ascii hitler.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: wot are we supposed to do with folks too stupid to live
asciilifeform: and seeking to infect others.
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna do anything. lazy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate. << the practical problem with this is that bayesian filtering only works for as long as it stays small.
asciilifeform: naturally, tumour must be removed while operable.
asciilifeform: when patient is 50% tumour by weight - which half do you even say 'hello' to ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person <<< o.O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite lol
chetty: well if its called O I dont speak to it
mircea_popescu: that's a splendid way to put it lol, "which half do you even say hello to"
asciilifeform: identity is a slippery thing when there are brain parasites about.
mircea_popescu: in other news : the eulora tier 0 items recipes etc are finally finished as a bulk. on next update, game will get the ~100 or so maze of resources, armors, hats, what have you.
asciilifeform: (slippery even without them, but manageably so)
mircea_popescu: i made it myself, and i dare say im fucking proud of it like it were a work of art, that list.
mircea_popescu: dali could not have done better!
chetty: I wonder if there was a gentlemans club somewhere that lamented the arrival of the automobile and just knew it would ruin good horses
mircea_popescu: chetty this happened.
chetty: and sadly there are very few good horses now, at least comparably
asciilifeform: 'association of licensed automobile manufacturers' ?
asciilifeform: the one h. ford fought with
asciilifeform: http://www.bpmlegal.com/wselden.html
asciilifeform: (no connection, afaik, to horses, however)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 150 @ 0.01115126 = 1.6727 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up mandycandy
jurov: no one dares to speak up anymore
jurov: these insufficiently beaten kids
ben_vulpes: all the free voice anyone could want...
mircea_popescu: lol j
mircea_popescu: you may have a point there.
jurov: i'm actually poking fun at your fav education method
mircea_popescu: for shame. it made men out of all my women!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i just treated girly anemia with succinate << what lead you to that treatment?
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: ferrous succinate, you realise ?
ben_vulpes: well now i do >.<
mircea_popescu: :p
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> compare ms-dos, still to this day accepted here as a paragon of programming << news to me
mircea_popescu: really ? let's examine this!
mircea_popescu: 1. how long did it take to boot ?
mircea_popescu: 2. what was the dependency hell like ?
mircea_popescu: 3. what drivers were "out of date" ?
mircea_popescu: how often did it croak spontaneously ?
ben_vulpes: i've no idea!
ben_vulpes was raised on macintoshes
mircea_popescu: oh.
mircea_popescu: well k.
mircea_popescu: anyway point being it's the level 0 of suck, ie, a honest, basic suckage.
ben_vulpes: i am interested in the history, though.
ben_vulpes: mm
mircea_popescu: a point not commonly reached these days
ben_vulpes: honest suckage, eh?
ben_vulpes: mebbe a motto for the foundation
mircea_popescu: yes. now there;s all this demonic elaborate suckage from hell.
ben_vulpes: "simple, honest suckage."
mircea_popescu: ayup
asciilifeform: most folks who remember msdos with ill thoughts, i've found, suffered in the latter part of the '90s with 'memory hell'
asciilifeform: but this was really intel's fault.
ben_vulpes: "memory hell"?
asciilifeform: !s 640K
assbot: 0 results for '640K' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=640K
mircea_popescu: the entire memory hole thing. bypass still present in bioses as late as the 2005s
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: that's another thing
mircea_popescu: lol ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe mah memory fails me in my middle age !!
jurov: not very fair comparison...there was Das IBM PC, apps were expected to talk directly to hardware
mircea_popescu: anyway, msdos as an os was not horrible. it wasn't great or w/e, arbitrary standards, but better oses are not actually common today.
asciilifeform: for physical addressing of certain isa cards
jurov: CD-ROM was first device driver i remember
asciilifeform: one could turn on 'memory hole' in some old bios configurators.