mircea_popescu: mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ?
jurov: only hungary does not need to fear such swamping can do "if you had ancestors in Big Hungary 100yr ago, here's your passport"
jurov: *Great Hungary to label the delusion properly
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone, really. germany definitely, if you were born there.
mircea_popescu: us citizens on army bases routinely get dual citizenship kids if they become pregnant and deliver
undata: canada will readmit children of a canadian citizen
undata: sadly I'm two steps removed
mircea_popescu: i think the bar for thai citizenship is having sex with a trannie
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? << I thought it was just Ubuntu that only made a user account they'd turn into a super sudoer
jurov: there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age
jurov: hope bitcoin will grow faster
undata: don't buy a bunch of garbage if you're headed out.
jurov: at 20 it's pretty much 0
undata: asciilifeform: yep, or that.
undata: jurov: I would say maybe leaving behind business contacts has a cost, but the internet solves that.
undata: and bitcoin solves getting paid by them
BingoBoingo: Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it.
jurov: TheNewDeal yes ====
undata: depends on what kind of business then
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.
jurov: yes, i just wanted to test, as it says
jurov: that could apply once we're close to the ideal
jurov: or are we already?
jurov: so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script
jurov: that will verify and apply them?
BingoBoingo: <jurov> so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts
jurov: with a patch to mailman?
jurov: to reject unsigned msgs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I may be able to fulfill your order with nubbins` help
thestringpuller: a writer buddy of mine does bookbinding of journals as one of his fanatical things
thestringpuller: so once you figure that out, nubbins can do a good printing job
nubbins`: it's good exercise for the fingers
nubbins`: and an excuse to own a small hammer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5 is the first version after I cared to get the physical CD's
jurov: i'll look into the mailman
BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD...
decimation: asciilifeform: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs
bounce: there's picobsd or nanobsd or whatwasit
bounce: for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser
BingoBoingo: bounce: Many of those abandoned, poor rng and gcc as FreeBSD derivatives
bounce: decimation: which three are you proposing?
BingoBoingo: <bounce> for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing?
bounce: qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed
BingoBoingo: bounce: I imagine BitcoinNetwork, BitcoinBlockhandler, BitcoinWallet
bounce: they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser
BingoBoingo: <bounce> qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS
bounce: oh c'mon with the quoting
BingoBoingo: What there's a temporary Vag shortage so queefing is out of the question
bounce: well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think)
decimation: 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto
bounce: then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha
bounce: switch to a smaller cc first? :-p
joecool: BingoBoingo: bb10 is not that bad, come on
bounce: boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ?
BingoBoingo: joecool: BB9 was perfect for what a person could expect out of a mobile turd os though
bounce: why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries?
bounce: then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing
joecool: BingoBoingo: 9? did you mean 7?
bounce: full source is never going to work on a floppy, unless you can make xor compression work
BingoBoingo: joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function
bounce: probably flew me by, sorry
joecool: BingoBoingo: i dunno, 10 still has that too
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> instant anti-ddos pill << this is like saying that because anyone can wget -m qntra.net that's an anti ddos pill
BingoBoingo: joecool: But 10 doesn't work on preferred hardware.
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bounce: so qnx lacked military connections and dishonesty to succeed
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BingoBoingo: Oh Today's World Series game is competitive
BingoBoingo: Fuck Hunter Pence looks like an extra from Breaking Bad, methed out motherfucker
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Familiar with Hanta or any other new worls scourges?
BingoBoingo: The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice...
decimation: qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant?
BingoBoingo: decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though
decimation: the c-machine is a mistake, but ganging multiple c-machines was an even bigger mistake
mircea_popescu: cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cazalla as head of qntra was a gift that keeps giving. Dude knows tone.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure.
decimation: the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade
mircea_popescu: it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too
mircea_popescu: (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is)
decimation: assange and his crew struck me as a naive bunch whose position is "we want a loving mommy state"
cazalla: decimation, he is quite soft when it comes to shit like aboriginals
decimation: cazalla: interesting. what does that mean exactly? more welfare?
cazalla: more everything at cost to the tax payer
decimation: plus apologizing for forcing their children to go to school and beating them until they learned?
mircea_popescu: you know if you dig deep enough everyone's going to have a bunch of idiotic notions.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: All officers and directors voluntarily agreed to the Company's redemption of an aggregate of 12,750,000 shares of common stock for an aggregate payment of $2,491. In doing so, the Company will have further flexibility in continuing to strengthen its balance sheet and ultimately add shareholder value. << could you help me decipher what is going on here accounting wise?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best take people at their peak << Great value of a WoT system as here has is you can know what their bottom is
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what I thought but based on these numbers...($2491 for ~13mn shares doesn't add up to the published market value as it looks like the ask value is ~ 8 cents a share)
mircea_popescu: at any rate, that's what it should mean, regardless what they actuall did.
cazalla: decimation, that's already been done and now they want compensation, the abos want to live off the land but government is determined to stop them no matter how much it costs
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
decimation: cazalla: that's pretty much how it works in the us and canada too
mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, this is a disguised gift of stock from directors / interested parties to company
thestringpuller: okay that's what BingoBoingo and I thought. thanks for clarifying.
cazalla: decimation, they're not all bad, i had a good abo mate through school but once they hit 13, they just want to go lighting fires and breaking into corner shops etc etc sniffing a bit of 98 octane as well
mircea_popescu: this idea that what people want matters as a universal...
cazalla: yeah, they lock the bowser at some petrol stations because they come in with a jerry can, fill up and leave without paying
decimation: I have a friend who works in a hospital indian health service (branch of usg). she says the majority of us indians are drunks
decimation: ironically the irish got their own 'independence'
cazalla: basically, if ever confronted with violent aboriginal in australia, pop ya petrol tank cap and tell him "good sniff bro"
BingoBoingo: I feel gypped, the Kaufman stadium fountains appear to be off.
BingoBoingo: This is nothing like Ken Griffey Jr presents Baseball
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mircea_popescu: Opal is a variety of low-aromatic << that'd be a problem
cazalla: i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation
decimation: even in the us that was gone by the 70's I think
BingoBoingo: For the hell of it I may or may not have driven a tank of leaded gas winter of 2006...
decimation: I guess the ban didn't go into full effect in the us until 96
cazalla: actually, i just checked, phase out began 2000 and ended 2002.. good sniff that
decimation: people bitch because aviation gas in the us still has lead
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sh... let me kill a few more cat converters first
joecool: <cazalla> i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation < not in planes
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decimation: "It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline."
decimation: so, if you live near an airport with small planes, you are being showered with organic lead
cazalla: joecool, i pray our aboriginals don't find this out or they might introduce TSA here
assbot: Video shows a man got onto White House grounds, was surrounded by Secret Service agents. Man literally punched a dog that ran at him.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> best tomatoes! << We still have tomatoes ripening...
TheNewDeal: Anyone attempted to sell a call option on BTC for a cash trade. If so, how was it received by the other party?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Our plants started ripening in late july and we still have new tomatos...
cazalla: would be nice to have home grown ones in the winter
cazalla: july being middle of winter here
BingoBoingo: July's normally peak summer here, but... we never get consistent weather
thestringpuller: cazalla: july being middle of winter here << the joys of the southern hemisphere
Pierre_Rochard: I’m looking forward to the new foundation & its ‘fork’
decimation: he was flying the first production model of the tbm-900, a single-engine turboprop plane
BingoBoingo: Fuck this might be the most boring worls series
cazalla: why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, a lot of players are latin american
BingoBoingo: The way the World Baseball classic works is usually the Whole United States gets beat by a small part of the US
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No one questions that the Rabbitohs won the World Rugby championship...
BingoBoingo: It is just hard thought to explain how perfect Kaufman is as a baseball stadium
cazalla: rugby? it's league! that would be like me saying softball is the same as baseball
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I thought league was realest rugby???
cazalla: nfi, i have not watched/played since i was a kid
nubbins`: ;;google why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Fuck you, Canada still has a team.
nubbins`: why do they call it the world wide web if it does not actually have width
nubbins`: BingoBoingo we used to have two!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Blame Obbumer stealing a team for DC
BingoBoingo actually would enjoy seeing Giancarlo Stanton playing Cricket
assbot: Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status
kakobrekla: well i can see how mp would argue that one as yes
decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge
BingoBoingo: Baseball is the best, because why in the hell is Billy Butler an athlete???
thickasthieves: i watched every single red sox game for a couple seasons when pedro was the shit, then never watched again
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: All I ask for in life is to see Giancarlo Stanton with a better team. Any team oher than the Marlins will do.
assbot: The George Brett Story - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Mr. Pooped his pants in a casino, George Brett.
nubbins`: kako so most people are using 0.3.x?!
thickasthieves: i still have all my bo cards, my brother collected ken griffer
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Bo did have an especially dignified retirement
thickasthieves: he did better value wise, but now its all worth nothing pretty much
assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes
assbot: samrushing/caesure GitHub
BingoBoingo: Versioning should be remove code Major++, add bullshit minor++ so M.m like 968.2
kakobrekla: that caesure seems to be around since 2011
BingoBoingo: RBI DOUBLE, 5-2, Kansas city over San Francisco atm. 3.1 innings left
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.02, Best ask: 382.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 8029.65324351, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 388.83, 24 hour vwap: 384.099411335
kakobrekla: o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts
BingoBoingo: Home RUN, Royals now up 7-2 in the 6th, 3.1 innings left.
BingoBoingo: Sorry, last two updates should read 3.2 innings left.
kakobrekla: yeah well child rape is also useless, yet.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the bottom line: what are the high-hash miners using?
assbot: Index of /programs/bitcoin/files/charts
kakobrekla: not sure if its enough to pinpoint version
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cazalla: this is just like when worm in rounders is asked how short he is and he responds "all the way"
BingoBoingo: I dunno about Yall, but I am watching Silicon Valley getting fucked with a frozen turd wrought of their own ethical lapses.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The San Francisco Giants getting fucked by a team with a fraction of their payroll.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not Handegg so not really that gladatorial
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can report here on it so copyrasta containment not that strong yet
BingoBoingo: Baseball fascinates me in how it seems to be the intersection of dice games and atheleticism
BingoBoingo: Also odd things happen in baseball over time. In 2010 people would call prank if you said Tim Lincecum warming up in the bullpen, but it is happening.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I guess for context... back in 2010 Lincecum was called the "Freak" for seeming unnaturaly better than any other starting pitcher, but since then... He has more than regressed to mean...
BingoBoingo: Mastery of Bullpen usage was how Larussa got the Cardinals two world series wins, but nao... Mathenaging...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kimbrel is probably Sirian.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm that way with handegg and soccer
thestringpuller: Haha. BingoBoingo we should take asciilifeform to a baseball game.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd suggest playing the part of a Nationals or Baltimore Orioles fan next year, but given the proximity to District 1, dunno how you feel about anal probing
decimation: I understand the general concept, but there are many subtle rules and concepts
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By refering to Kimbrel as Sirian I mean as in from the Wasp, bowlegged with inhuman movements. Only way to describe the fucker.
BingoBoingo: Ah, well most 'Murican don't really get Baseball anymore unless their spanish is good.
BingoBoingo: American football is simpler though. DOn't break your spine before you sign an NFL contract is basically all of handegg
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BingoBoingo: Of the two 'Murican sports, "Football"is probably the one with the simplest rules to grasp.
decimation: BingoBoingo: except for all the subtle rules about when/where tackling is legal
decimation: that turn out to be randomly enforced in practice
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, handegg regular gameplay changes every year nao and Baseball hasn't had a real change since the mound was lowered because Bob Gibson
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decimation: asciilifeform: yeah what it really means is that you sat through many gov't meetings
decimation: I'm not sure how any c-machine can really be 'formally verified'
decimation: As I understand, the 'common criteria' eal levels are going away, in favor of even less objective scam-criteria
decimation: so it is easier for notes from stalin to be issued
decimation: for instance, if your logic was built with 74xx, how can you 'guarantee' fail-safe under all conditions?
decimation: who the hell knows what molten silicon will do
decimation: yeah for instance if the chinese submitted an entry, no matter how open or impressive, it would never be adopted
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, where does Vax still reign???
decimation: BingoBoingo: I'm sure there are still vaxes running somewhere
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a few $mil will be 'required' one way or another
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off
BingoBoingo: Seems so, but I'll look a few years older and he same seems to hold
decimation: asciilifeform: I think supermicro makes them too
decimation: aside from that you are stuck with hp, dell, etc
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decimation: 1960 usg might have been able to regroup and have some semblance of authority in case of major disaster. 2014 usg has no chance
thestringpuller: ^- is this why they make so many disaster movies about the USG going underground during a disaster and trying to reclaim power?
decimation: thestringpuller: yeah such movies are probably less fantastic than usg's hidden 'plans'
undata: 1) hide underground 2) send the military into the cities 3) burn
decimation: if washington dc goes under, for instance, there is no us military
decimation: it has no head, and the various pieces will find themselves suddenly having bigger priorities
undata: none of which will be keeping control of the continent?
decimation: who's control? I have no doubt that off-continent enemies will be taken seriously, but who's orders are they going to follow? Texas?
undata: the military would still have a chain of command absent civilian authority
undata: I don't think the head-body metaphor applies here
undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain
decimation: 1.) "chain of command" orders military to 'crush' a city 2.) half the troops go awol, the other half are murdered by partisans 3.) "chain of command" no longer in command
undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities
undata: "partisans" have no chance
undata: you guys are a bit wishful sometimes; I share the sentiment towards the us govt
undata: but I highly doubt any of you are going to like what follows if it falls
thestringpuller: definitely but without a function chain of command the army is going to fragment into multiple "militias" in a serious disaster
undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work
decimation: I'm not interested in anarchy, but sometimes anarchy is interested in you...
undata: things are much more organized now
thestringpuller: we like to think so, but who is really pulling the strings?
undata: I'll listen to the other view; go ahead
BingoBoingo: undata: It's almost like you've been following none of our hobby projects we joke about.
undata: look, if you're going to present it as a given that the most effectively oppressive military complex on earth is about to disappear, you're going to have to justify that.
decimation: undata: think of it from the point of view of the lowly private. You are at Fort Hood, and wash dc is gone. Your commander has told you that the 'chain of command' has ordered you to 'take Dallas'.
decimation: there's no air support, because comms are down. The 'locals' mostly think that the state should decide how things are run, not some ex-bureaucrats.
decimation: things get ugly. a few bombs go off. You are ordered out of your apc into the city.
decimation: your friend is shot in the head, he calls for help, but the locals have already taken over the airport, no helicopters anywhere
undata: I think American's are cowardly enough that Dallas won't have to be taken.
BingoBoingo: undata: I'm just suggesting datacenter that can't be disconnected from a safe distance...
undata: if things start falling apart, they're going to beg for the first strong voice they hear to save them.
undata: and I think the military industrial complex will provide that voice for them
undata: when the jackboot ends up on the corner he'll have been welcomed by >50%
BingoBoingo: undata: But what if the Sirians offer that strong voice first!
undata: "White Aryan Resistance" really?
BingoBoingo: undata: Would you prefer I find the ISIS hosted version, they prolly have one...
undata: nah, I'm already on the list.
undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse.
undata: why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin
undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up
BingoBoingo: undata: Because 'Muricans share a weak soft language...
undata: american putin doesn't look much like him
undata: "Grandpa, tuck us in and tell us ISIS wont ruin Christmas!"
undata: still there, rotting, but not gone
undata: and still very relevant to Russian life
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But a Wasp with a poor support network also has a death wish...
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you pay on average at your loper-os isp if you don't mind asking? it seems like a really cheap deal
decimation: yeah I guess hosting static text is cheap
kakobrekla: yeah, asciis stuff is so quotable he could write directly into bash.
decimation: Did you write your own comment system?
mircea_popescu: fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off"
decimation: I guess I thought that anything written in php was exploited to death
mircea_popescu: no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php
kakobrekla: except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages
decimation: I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel
undata: python isn't much better.
mircea_popescu: decimation no, moreover, php doesn't try to do much. literally, it's intended to process strings.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated
undata: overgrown templating language
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade
mircea_popescu: oh i see. meh. prolly jurov should just reg it to mess with people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi
decimation: turns out they were calling the buggy-as-hell bash then too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument"
mircea_popescu: we were arguing about power ranger braindamage uptake is like.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely
mircea_popescu: and because of ddos, plenty of time miner doesn't rely.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's
kakobrekla: i guess my guess is better than sexygingers
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this.
decimation: it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures
mircea_popescu: assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either.
undata: decimation: git pre-commit hook?
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decimation: I suspect git or whatever could be hooked to operate on such patches
undata: asciilifeform: the hidden format being the git db?
undata: it's relatively simple
undata: I've done extensive work with it
undata: it's just a key-value store of hashes
mircea_popescu: i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion.
undata: asciilifeform: you're saying "what if git tainted my commit"?
undata: that's easily discovered
undata: then I'm off base; what were you saying?
undata: I don't see why that's a requirement, but ok
undata: ascii isn't the only format that's "right there for your eyes"
undata: I could show you every bit in my git db easily
mircea_popescu: well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing.
undata: these are bizarre requirements
undata: you could sign via git hooks
mircea_popescu: similarly, you could sign via a website that has your pubkeys
ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.
decimation: the important part isn't the signature, it's the code
undata: ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git
ben_vulpes: undata: git can be used for development
ben_vulpes: but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x
mircea_popescu: undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition.
undata: that makes more sense. In that case yes, I could see a very simple tool for auditing, signing, then releasing
decimation: I think people are complaining more aboug github than git
mircea_popescu: can you intercept x's email for y, change subtly, release ? sure.
undata: mircea_popescu: I use the same for code review, even if it's a matter of emailing myself
mircea_popescu: until it becames a case of "we will hang whoever made this one byte error in bash"
decimation: asciilifeform: isn't the linux kernel still done this way?
decimation: but I know they discuss important patches on the kernel list
undata: you can extract a nice looking patch from git, and even email it from there
undata: asciilifeform: I'm saying it can provide the input to your envisioned system
undata: even automatically... via a hook.
undata: anyhow, horse is starting to stink
decimation: asciilifeform: the bigger question is: who is the 'registrar' of the 'official version' - or does that merely exist in the private collection of each person's note?
undata: asciilifeform: explain; I'll listen.
ben_vulpes: <undata> anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to?
undata: ben_vulpes: dead horse, beaten
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, "official version" is redefined from * this (static) to whatever one has most wot trust towards.
mircea_popescu: so if version x is signed by people i know and version y is signed by people i don't know, x is official and fu.
decimation: right, it's in the 'eye of the beholder'
undata: mircea_popescu: interesting, a fork could emerge due to a breakdown of trust
mircea_popescu: no such thing as "official" "because we say so". who;'s we.
undata: that fits the social happenings well
mircea_popescu: undata more properly said : every breakdown of trust is a fork
mircea_popescu: rather than papering over breakdowns of trust with "foundations" and "chief scientistdom"
mircea_popescu: and this puts huge pressure on trusted nodes not to break the fucking trust
decimation: undata: no one here really minds having a different opinion than 99.999% of humanity
mircea_popescu: which is essential, because our enemies are putting a lot of pressure on them to break it
undata: my main thrust is that the thing will have to be structured in some way (a db)
mircea_popescu: and you can't just expect "conscience" to resist indefinitely.
undata: doesn't have to be git
mircea_popescu: conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc.
undata: it could be a fancy db implemented atop the blockchain
mircea_popescu: whenever people's conscience is the only protection, the third reich is about to emerge.
decimation: asciilifeform: right, I envision it more as the collected correspondence of gentlemen scholars, rather than a profitable venture
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. but actual gentlemen, rather than presumed gentlemen.
undata: ben_vulpes: piles of ascii no, never, please no
decimation: folks are welcome to publish, index as they see fit
undata: I yield the balance of my time, haha
undata: no, git is a distributed database
cazalla: mircea_popescu, where the facebook page and mockups for that?!?
cazalla: maybe they meant to raise 50k facebook likes instead
ben_vulpes: i think then this discussion is settled.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one?
ben_vulpes: what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain?
mod6: asciilifeform: i like the idea of a cypherpunk-esq mailing list to propagate patches from a common release.
mod6: this hasn't been done for some time, and probably needs to come back.
mod6 gets ready to fire up mutt!
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't it be a good idea for the privkey need not live in the same memory space as the rest of the code, for instance
ben_vulpes: wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent.
decimation: perhaps with a protocol validator in the middle
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: back when there weren't any enemies listening in on our lists
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of productivity is that it's 5am and the log is closing in on 1k lines. and yest it was nearly 3k. and jesus god it's a lot harder to go through when it's not mostly my own lines! i had no idea!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im sure that's not the case, i never cut solid copper anythings.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cause normally i'm like, oh, logs, fancy that. but past few days it's been... omfg help me.
mircea_popescu: mechanized orchestra is a particularly good metaphore. because it never existed.
decimation: well, quite simply because the failure rate would be too high
decimation: dijkstra would have been a fan of 'fits in head'
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid?
ben_vulpes: our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures.
decimation: yeah but he also pretty much admits they are unworkable practically
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda reminded of the jews on toilet joke. "is this work ?"
ben_vulpes: funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't blame him. only way out of that one.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it goes on forever, like the us puritan thought pattern.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the three man committee to split a buck ?
mircea_popescu: so, me you and stan have to split a buck. i go : fuck stan, give me 50 cents i'll sign with you.
kakobrekla: there were to be two machines connected with serial cable < heh i have such setup with a buffer on the cable
mircea_popescu: you go to stan : hey listen, he's giving you nothing. take this 5 cents sign over to me.
mircea_popescu: which is how and why the us political system does not work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074164 = 13.7574 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: so how long until bitpay pulls that shit on the merchant
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Problem with brass instruments is not strain on chest, but strain on face.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't think much of the entire "multisig" bullcrap.
ben_vulpes: both keys must sign for outputs to be valid.
ben_vulpes: "either we agree, or nobody gets anything."
ben_vulpes: okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino.
mircea_popescu: if i knew how to formalize this to be readily understanable for people i'd trilema it
ben_vulpes: the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're with a girl that doesn't wanna fuck you.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose her mother coming to your room and saying "neither of you is to leave here until you fuck" help anything ?
ben_vulpes: merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to do that why bother with m/n
decimation: all this does seem to break down to something like "we want a computer to enforce a human language contract" which ain't gonna happen
mircea_popescu: "insurance policy" ? "here's a car that doesn't work, and just to make sure, we welded to it a boat that also doesn't work" ? is this a way to live?
ben_vulpes: that's too big a leap for my tiny brain
ben_vulpes: boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract"
decimation: asciilifeform: not far from you in luray, va there's a cave where some guy converted a stalactite/stalagmite gallery into an organ
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, suppose the chicks ake you ojo de bife, but as an insurance policy they mix cheesekace in there.
mircea_popescu: or do they both get spanked purple and "next fucking time do one thing and do it right"
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2014 00:00:40; asciilifeform: re: 400: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the defective ones separately.'
mircea_popescu: ahh, the beauty of 64gb memory systems is that if they allocate 46gb they still have plenty left over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sane linuxes actually use the memory. or am i missing something ?
ben_vulpes: * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today
ben_vulpes: "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im running a sort of generational modelling thing i hacked together. this is my idea of fun.
ben_vulpes: silence and an absence of complaining ensued.
ben_vulpes: how was the scent moving with your vehicles?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know duct tape gets a bad rap around here, but... duct tape
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how does duct tape get a bad rap ? i used it for a sex act earlier today!
decimation: I was driving along i-95 once, saw a full carbeque in progress in the right shoulder. Three lanes over through rolled up windows the heat was uncomfortable on my face
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparelty people don't trust that it apperently comes in different qualities
joecool: decimation: i had a truck explode in front of me on i-78, driver got out just in time, bad spot too under an overpass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements << for pure wankeriferious interest : wouldn't supercooling it be a pill against all this ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: opposite side, very strong heat, assuming the diesel is what caught
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decimation: if you were to fully extract the energy of a tank of gas going into your car at the pump, you would be getting about 22 megawatts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the probability to find a metastable state roughlt linear with system energy ?
assbot: The Lansey Brothers' Blog: The gas station pumps energy at ~22 Megawatts
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off << lol what a plan for the future.
decimation: pumping gas is the same as borrowing about 2% of a reasonable nuclear generator
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra grows, I buy chickens and strange hardware. Nothing wrong with that.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason civilisation is built on oil.
BingoBoingo: Chickens have strong foreclaws, powerful warriors for D.A.G.
assbot: 1 Clock Domain Crossing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fear the avaians, but not for their flu. They know of their McNugget futures and choose otherwise!
mircea_popescu: undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain << this was recently in full display in the ukraine, and then later in iraq. except both ukrainians and iraquis are, as a stock, more resilient than the us guy.
mircea_popescu: undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities <<< should be interesting to hear more of this.
decimation: yeah. digital circuits are not ideal 0/1 gates, they are analog computers
mircea_popescu: undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work << obviously not. it just starts working for me instead ?
decimation: the thing is, the us military only looks impressive because it has 'support'
decimation: in the same sense that the wasp guy did
decimation: without that support, and with dwindling oil supplies, what you gonna do?
mircea_popescu: undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. << not after, honey. a decade after. that decade is important.
mircea_popescu: decimation generally high efficiency is obtained at the cost of high fragility. the jit system is a fine exampel of the principle.
mircea_popescu: essentially to get "really good" at one thing you define a narrow thing to be good at.
mircea_popescu: then you end up engaged in the middle east trying to do another thing,
mircea_popescu: and everyone's pointing and laughing at your apparent inability, notwithstanding immense expenditure, not leat of all of your own god damned effort.
decimation: right, randomly destroy the support for the existing 'ability' and you see rapid nonlinear fragmentation
BingoBoingo: Predicted used for Deedbot: 1. Declarations of giving a fuck 2. Claiming swaths of US land 3. #b-a related corp financial statements
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if washington goes or stays is irrelevant, but if the obnoxious sissy faggots currently in the general staff are all raped and hanged the army will suddenly see its mission redefined much widerly
mircea_popescu: and in that redefinition it will signifcantly increase in strength.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it wil happen not merely in spite of gas shortages
mircea_popescu: yugoslav army was not 1/6 as effectual as the same god damned units, except now commanded by the war criminals.
undata: mircea_popescu: I think we agree then.
undata: I was arguing that "those piles of weapons" commanded by whomever will remain
undata: and likely operate without the freedom-loving layer of bullshit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, pretty much every single gi item has fulda fucking stamped on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory is any guide, it will be more to settle wot disputes than anything.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cousin spent 2005 - 2009 as an active duty Marine. Spent two years on a boat in blue water, "just in case"
decimation: my point is simply that there's no way the us military would be effective against its own people, it would fracture
mircea_popescu: harem does not need guarding, not in that context. btches know enough not to get messy at that juncture.
mircea_popescu: decimation doubt it. croatian military didn't "fracture". nor did serbian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it seriouslt doesn't need so much defense. would be smartasses are well shy
mircea_popescu: no, i tell you, it'll be "colonel X of Y promised major Z of K delivery of m then reneged. who the fuck does he think he is ? charge!"
mircea_popescu: because if you don't charge might as well shave, oil up and go to the harem.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Napoleon's army mustaches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that his division is valuable and the wh is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: what should have kept hitler from digging the desert looking for the holy grail ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. perversity and sanity are unsisters.
decimation: right, but what does general y have to say about what col x. does?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Various general were replaced by cigarette smoking men in suits
decimation: my point is that col. x is much more likely to appoint himself 'mayor of dallas' and send a polite 'fuck you' to the remaining chain of command
mircea_popescu: find me any army colonel that gets... cocksuckressES. plural ? gtfo.
ben_vulpes: why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water?
mircea_popescu: generally the hussies flock to the businessmen rather than the warlords. at least from what i've directly observed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of a colonel that wasn't ever a private.
decimation: mircea_popescu: this is regularlly the case in us mil
decimation: colonels are appointed directly from university
decimation: it's rare one finds an officer who was first enlished
cazalla: heh brock piere be retweeing qntra now lol
BingoBoingo: Well in Usia Colonels usually start as Lou-Tenants
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?!
decimation: 2nd lt is the eqiv. of 'officer private'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes with attention! these are actually the good ones!
decimation: with no actual military experience other than officer boot camp
BingoBoingo: I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable
mircea_popescu: undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up <<< this is some massively funny shit.
mircea_popescu: you actually think this is what putin did ?! or russian prole thought he did ?!
undata: mircea_popescu: correct me. I'd like to know.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, they would pay you a bonus which you are generally required to spend on a ford mustang
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you the 20 year sergeants are pretty fucking happy with that o.O
decimation: asciilifeform: no they still make you go through 'officer canidate school' which is boot camp lite
mircea_popescu: undata well, it's a lengthy matter, hard to fit in one line or w/e. but let me find you this thing about stalin.
decimation: if you are a 'professional' like doctor or pharmacist it's pretty much just show up in uniform and learn how to salute
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wher's the one where you discuss people driving a truck with the man's pic ? because he makes order ?
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 17:24:22; asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now.
decimation: no no warrant officer is generally a rank reserved only for highly qualified enlisted men
mircea_popescu: undata ^ there you go. he didn't say anything about oligarchs. he just promised order.
mircea_popescu: this is a subtle concept. like the platonic notion of cosmos, an ordered universe.
decimation: although I think there were various times when it applied to technical experts
mircea_popescu: the main thing is that this de facto promises that every phenomenon carries meaning.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah, not revenge, just a return to function?
mircea_popescu: because unmeaning phenomena are very bothersome to simple folk.
undata: this goes back to the conversation recently about the concerns of a soldier at war
decimation: right, and the question is: is col x. with his own local agenda going to provide meaning or is gen y. in far away disaster-land?
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decimation: without reliable air transport and crumbling land-transport, america is a big place
mircea_popescu: a lot to signify, and rapidly deteriorating common language. not in the sense of english,
mircea_popescu: but in the sense of, this feat where random high functrioning idiots like the kent guy quoted earier suddenly buy the common delusion of "global warming" becomes impossible.
decimation: right, I envison something like revolutionary france where the king is derping around paris and all of the peasants suddenly decide not to pay their taxes or heed property rights
mircea_popescu: the fundamental function of the rabi (which is what stalin was, practically, at the massive outskirts) is not going away.
mircea_popescu: and it does really not matter what sort of an ass the rabi is privately.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that the average person is not fascinated by congressional proceedings, let alone comprehend them at all, is a serious warning sign.
mircea_popescu: if you recall, back when the us functioned people went to see wtf jefferson said as their evening's entertainment
mircea_popescu: how is this then to be leadership ? because tradition-tradition ? mkay. only goes so far.
undata: "the dissolution of shared meaning" << this is a wonderful description of what's at work here
mircea_popescu: once the young sluts radicalise it's the end. which is why the teenaged runaway chgicks are so important.
BingoBoingo: Allegedly policical speech makes the evening newscast with alleged attribution
undata: what's the next step? doesn't someone come along and become that meaning for them?
undata: and don't they long for it?
undata: I recall the "need to belong" also from the other day
mircea_popescu: undata only if such can exist. i very much doubt it can.
decimation: I think such men can exist for localities
mircea_popescu: basically, the great federal project failed, the national project never succeeded, what's left is a sort of us of africa.
decimation: but right now the federal government means nothing but taxation and disorder to the majority of the populace
mircea_popescu: worst failed state in the history of european adventure, the us.
undata: there is a wide swath of the south that could easily start eating each other should the walmarts run dry
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The more I read on Argentina, the more it seems like what the US said it was going to be
decimation: agreed. and private Y. is going to be mulling these things over when he and his friends are getting killed over some vague pro-climate change agenda or whatever
Adlai: +BingoBoingo | I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable // true in the idf too
Adlai: why not detroit? or mogadishu?
mircea_popescu: Adlai detroit is stable as is. in fact if it does collapse, detroit will be the new capital.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Detroit now has some farms within city limits too
undata: mircea_popescu: chicago gangs could at least hope to establish some kind of crude order
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. there are powerful incentives for local col. x to 'defect' and become the warlord of kansas or whatever
undata: there are parts of the southern US that are just... astoundingly ignorant
mircea_popescu: decimation which, you'll notice, is exactly how the roman empire went.
Adlai: well, i doubt the US would let its capitol be ruled by local cartels, but they might be a capital of an independant state
undata: they would not be capable of any kind of cobbled-together society
undata: mircea_popescu: what about hungry ignorance?
Adlai still maintains that human society is cannibalistic, we just don't eat flesh directly
mircea_popescu: undata nah, new york and california will be the shitholes.
decimation: yeah I think the south and west would survive the best
mircea_popescu: generally, go to the places currently "ignorant", you'll be safe there.
decimation: rally the wagons, fuck you to outsiders, plenty of resources, not a crushing population density
mircea_popescu: their alleged ignorance is merely unallignment. not being alligned with the idiocy that just failed is a bonus.
mircea_popescu: this was kinda the boon of romania. the slowest sheep in the eu flock.
mircea_popescu: as a result, when the flock went over a cliff... romania was still way behind.
Adlai: asciilifeform: any specific one?
undata: mircea_popescu: I see your point; my parents have a farm in rural PA. It would take about three weeks for the more dangerous (meth-addled) neighbors to be quiet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, you read my article about how fire was used to cookl ?
assbot: Muffins si-o disputa de antropologie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Adlai: well that's a nice crackocy, but i'm talking about the fact that upscale anglophonia lives off the sweat of other societies
mircea_popescu: "Ca atare, in baza acestor observatii, bomba : cel mai probabil prima carne gatita a fost de om, nu de animal. A cazut vre-o proasta-n foc"
Adlai is using "societies" to refer to other classes within and without anglophonia
decimation: Adlai: it certainly is the case that the 'upscale (blue)' class in the us takes advantage of the labor & genius of the 'smart unaligned rednecks'
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, and florida is in the american south.
undata: there are highly populated areas throughout the south
BingoBoingo: undata: But Florida man is a hero of ancient legend
undata: BingoBoingo: hah, he will rise and rule the cock of the continent
Adlai: the relationship is quite similar to that of an agricultural society herding cattle
Adlai: mircea_popescu: why misuse the term << the term is misused to shock the audience, a technique you seem to enjoy yourself...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "shoot not to the shots but to the enemies" neh ?
mircea_popescu: as in, don't shoot to have shot, shoot to have killed.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: oh come on, your blog is full of metaphors that shock the average netizen encountering it for the first time
mircea_popescu: Adlai this is true. but when i redefine terms i always do it with a solid backing of thought behind it, and my redefinitions are actually cognitively stronger than the current convention.
mircea_popescu: these considerations are important, i can't be immitated by merely taking pictures.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You only think that because you're still looking at the rabbit hole and not harvesting the coneys therin
Adlai: ok, so what's wrong with looking at farming individuals of your own species as a form of cannibalism?
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:16:29; nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock
mircea_popescu: but anyway, at issue was the misuse of "societies" to mean "groups", not of cannibalism.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: It isn't cannibalism if you merely plan to take them to the rendering plant for fuel and not the abbatoir for meat
Adlai: no, not according to the current dictionary definition of cannibalism
decimation: cooking someone in your stomach is different than cooking them in your car?
Adlai: though i'm misusing the term intentionally, my misuse is well-defined
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're on a... slippery slope, so to speak. for most of history women were merely used to make more of them.
mircea_popescu: seeing how for same most of the history man was the engine, it's technically using women as fuel.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or merely a lubricated slope
BingoBoingo: Man uses homo sapiens, ethics is the discussion of acceptable uses
Adlai recalls a calculation in Collapse that egyptian pharoes had at their disposal approximately the same level of manpower as a single piece of modern construction equipment (eg bulldozer)
assbot: James Brown - I Feel Good (Legends of Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube
Adlai pokes around to see if he hasn't lent out his copy
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why all this bile directed at fertile women ?
assbot: 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Homo redditicus has trouble accepting it has an origin story
mircea_popescu: "While dimwitted, the Dependopotamus is a shrewd beast who knows that there is one surefire way to trap a man: Bear as many of his offspring as possible. Since having a baby in the military is free thanks to the dependency benefits, she’ll be in a constant state of hosting and developing new fetuses that she isn’t certain are from her husband or one of her many lovers."
mircea_popescu: this echoes an older argument brought by say shaw, in much blander prose.
mircea_popescu: sure, the female can be seen as a preditor. in that it ingests and keeps the sperm, sure.
undata: mircea_popescu: this is the insecurity of many men, that if they can't keep their woman, it must be the wretched whore's fault.
mircea_popescu: this is more of a novelty / gentleman's amusing musings, than actual you know, life philosoph.y
mircea_popescu: undata it's not even clear if the author wants her to stay or to go.
undata: he wants to be worshiped by something he hates, undeservedly
Adlai: !g george carlin pumping out a unit
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think you wrote on geek wanting to be gifted a woman in his closet who doesn't need for anything. Dependopotamus trope is the inverse of that.
BingoBoingo: The actual geeks revulsion with sctual women
Adlai: ;;google george carlin pumping out a unit
mircea_popescu: "She is extremely fertile but should be on a list of human beings who aren’t allowed to reproduce because her genes are toxic and will only perpetuate more parasites throughout society."
mircea_popescu: Adlai ya, but then again carlin's not exactly the marrying kind.
assbot: George Carlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd.
xinxi: you guys are still not sleeping?
xinxi: i guess most of you are from the US, right?
xinxi: it should be very late there.
Adlai: it's always morning on freenode
xinxi: mircea_popescu - did you watch breaking bad?
xinxi: i like the way that they make meth. it’s quite educational.
xinxi: i would probably get higher marks in chemistry if i watched that tv a few years earier.
xinxi: and i woudn’t need to do bayesian stuffs everyday.
xinxi: mircea_popescu - let me check the public offering first.
xinxi: btw, will anyone proofread my writing?
Adlai: xinxi: it's not educational at all, methylamine synthesis yields a racemic product
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
undata: cazalla: oh the term un(der)?banked makes my skin crawl
undata: great piece of propaganda from the banking industry, that.
undata: the tobacco industry should try 'unsmoked'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47750 @ 0.0007413 = 35.3971 BTC [-] {5}
undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated"
assbot: Understanding Quid Pro Quo - Gary Galles - Mises Daily
assbot: The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00074216 = 2.9686 BTC [+]
Adlai: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
Adlai: xinxi: still need a pair of eyes for your article?
xinxi: Adlai - thanks. it’s about qntra.net
Adlai: you asked for proofreading, i'm offering it
xinxi: i am not sure whether it’s neccessary.
Adlai (does not expect any kind of compensation)
xinxi: let’s see what will happen, if it’s really neccessary, i think then you can help.
Adlai: latest chromium has an embedded pdf viewer, pissing me off. i used to click pdfs without worry, knowing that they'd get downloaded and i could process them safely later (pdf2djvu, open in vm, w/e)
Adlai: now chromium just fucking opens them of its own accord, who knows what fuckery goes on there
bounce: apropos of nothing, is there any evidence of secret agencies sponsoring production of spy fiction?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: radio, he avoids talking about bitcoin with me and sticks to getting me to say politically incorrect things about the Bible
Vexual: ;;google dictionary sponsor
punkman: bounce, it's rather amazing how many tv shows revolve around cops
Adlai: !s AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 04:40:52; assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Adlai: so assbot can access its own logs, but it has lost the capacity to amaze itself
Vexual: lost and never found cannot be the same
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
Vexual: Adlai, it's like rocking up with a shopify plugin to a game of craps
Vexual: theye confused the unbanked with people in africa who own half a goat
assbot: Hard Money: Deflation or Economic Stagnation | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS
Vexual: oh they'll bet it alright
Vexual: but a goats worth more than the money, just like a carton of beer here in oz, or a bitcoin
Vexual: if i provide services for a carton, and recieve a pineapple, thats bullshit
Vexual: ;;google pineapple $50
cazalla: help a mate move, you better believe that's a carton or 2
Vexual: point is, if he turns up without the beer it's one less mate
Vexual: i'd like to know what this steve eregard thinks he's saying when he says underbanked
Vexual: the emPHAsis is all wrong
jurov: lol reminded me today's facebook outrage
jurov: ofc a lawyer with two degrees fell for this
jurov: Vexual the context is that theres a hysteria that moral corruption comes from west
jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny
Vexual: i thought st nick was from the north?
jurov: and this is 99% a hoax
jurov: scandinavia is "teh west" for us
Vexual: yes thankyou, im aware of that
jurov: lol vex at loss of words?
jurov: depends which one? dunno about the coca cola addict?
jurov: Дед Мороз is more interesting. pediwikia says: in 1928 Ded Moroz was declared "an ally of the priest and kulak"
jurov: currently he's involved in "on-going détente with various counterparts from other cultures, such as the Estonian Santa Claus (Jõuluvana or "Old man of Christmas"), the Finnish Santa Claus (Joulupukki or "Yule Goat"), and other Santa Claus, Father Christmas, and Saint Nicholas figures"
jurov: when my dirty imagination sees a french word in such context...
Vexual: theres about 400 punchlines there, context?
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
Vexual: did you hear what our elf of a leader said to putin?
Vexual: he told the newspapers that hed "shirtfront" him; a violent football term for grabbing the opponent by the shirtfront with a twisting motion
jurov: heh... shoulda gone straight for balls
Vexual: well he sent the foreign minister to apologise a week later
Vexual: shes pushing 50 and weighs 40 kg
xinxi: Mark Zuckerberg speaks Chinese.
Vexual: Meng Fei wouldn't let him speak
Vexual: No, I am wrong, he speaks well
xinxi: yeah, his chinese is not bad.
xinxi: Meng Fei? you mean the beauty selection tv program?
xinxi: oh, nice to meet another chinese people here.
assbot: LEONARD COHEN - Partisan (1970)-Dedicated to the Matala Festival - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00074087 = 27.9308 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: . . . and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns
assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #56 Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus
nubbins`: the authors of these "dependopotamus" articles are maybe the saddest spectacle i've ever seen
nubbins`: because you know they're all telling the tales of their own sad, shitty, ill-thought-out lives
Vexual: i roll past withought a glance in lifeful delight
Vexual: read about it on qntra later
bounce: there's better stuff to be read. see arrse.co.uk, say their wiki or the forum stuff about "walting"
nubbins`: each dependopotamus husband sowed the seeds of his own misfortune, yet presents his life as something that "happened" "to" him, rather than it being a direct consequence of his poor choices
nubbins`: "i'm a useless sack of camo shit who married the first woman who showed a passing interest, because my relationship choices are about as logically sound as my career choices. somehow, this is my new shitty wife's fault and not my own shitty fault"
nubbins`: "The Dependopotamus is a paradox. She is an utterly useless woman with a high sense of entitlement and self-importance." <<< completely and utterly unlike the guy who wrote this article, huh?
Vexual: this vodka went thru the carbon at about 10c
Vexual: nubbins`: ive got a barrel of the kremlin shit, you wanna do a label?
Vexual: fuck it, ill remember what it is
Vexual: you could take a lada and head north with this shit, it's currency and fuel
Vexual: 90 proof if im a day old
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
xinxi: Vexual - you are not chinese? then you watch the translated tv program?
Vexual: do you drink xinxi, i guess not
Vexual: yes i watch with suctitles
xinxi: yeah, I drank a lot when i was an undergraduate student.
Vexual: did it help you analyse intelligence?
xinxi: that’s difficult to say. maybe it helps.
xinxi: causal inference is difficult.
Vexual: it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently?
xinxi: by process do you mean digest?
Vexual: erm, im not sure, i was looking for the right word
Vexual: i can't talk i get silly on the stuff all the time
xinxi: it finally becomes urine. that’s for sure.
xinxi: where are you Vexual?
xinxi: oh, i don’t know non-chinese australian also watch feichengwurao.
xinxi: do you like the girls?
Vexual: oh it's very popular here
xinxi: haha, who do you like the most?
Vexual: i havent watched for a while, i don't know who is on it
Vexual: i like to watch to learn about china
xinxi: is it because of the beauties?
Vexual: well i like the discourse
Vexual: but the beauties make it palatable
Vexual: they are all so different
Vexual: i learn about different cities by the way they speak
xinxi: interesting, so the tv program is also quite educational.
xinxi: but many girls of them like money quite much.
xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike.
Vexual: well the girls are a subset that like to be on tv
kakobrekla: >In Slovenia the name Ded Moroz was translated from Russian as Dedek Mraz
xinxi: yeah, there are also many good girls.
kakobrekla: > Initially he was said to live in Siberia, but with the Informbiro crisis and the schism between Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union his home was relocated to Mt. Triglav, Slovenia's (and also Yugoslavia's) highest peak.
Vexual: can we equare Ded Moroz to Meng Fei xinxi?
Vexual: kakobrekla is calling upon your intelligence
xinxi: is Meng Fei that good?
Vexual: nevermnd i googles it and its snata clause
Vexual: he would be good at parties, inlike santacaluse
xinxi: yeah, they are quite different.
xinxi: Meng Fei has great personality
Vexual: yes h eeats magic mushrooms and provides no conversation whatsoever
Vexual: i need a new keyboard, perhaps jurov will bring me one
jurov: Vexual it'll get incinerated at customs due to biohazard
Vexual: order a kb from jurov, get coal
xiando: omg $1227 they are attacking gold
Vexual: huh? what do you mean xiando!
xiando: I mean they are selling the gold.
xiando: I have no gold and neither do you xinxi
Vexual: so he prolly haz 20 oz
xiando: now I know he has 20 oz and all I need is a $2 hammer and his address to get it
xiando: so my advice is to repeat after me: "I haz no gold"
Vexual: well i dunno if you noticeced but were getting friendly
xiando: :-) sorry. I just alwasy recommend saying "I have no gold"
Vexual: say what you like, if that shit goes missing..
xinxi: xiando, my gold was bought a few years ago
xinxi: but i did not sell it when the price reached $1700
nubbins`: "I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lau[g]hing on a bike."
nubbins`: i like bikes and i like laughing
nubbins`: and i think BMWs are for people with no external genitalia
nubbins`: and the furnace at the tenant's house is fucked, which i do not like
xinxi: OK, I will never buy a BMW.
Vexual: cops rode em till they got susies
Vexual likes the sentiment, can plaace the anti-shake
Vexual: is that your nubbins`?
nubbins`: Vexual nope just an interesting tx
Vexual: nothings familiar, what am i looking at?
nubbins`: a bunch of coins freshly minted 4 years ago, moving.
nubbins`: all the inputs are from late 2010
Vexual: okay, i wasn't born then, fill me in
nubbins`: no hidden meaning here, literally just a mildly interesting tx.
Vexual: oh thats the whole story?
Vexual: alll minted? pineapples?
Vexual: 2010 black says different
mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme
Vexual: ah thats what i was thinking of
assbot: Alcohol dehydrogenase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: where else ya gonna get your protein, quinoa?!
mats_cd03: i was poopin and forgot to fix the link
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests."
Vexual: yea i herd him on the radio
nubbins`: that's a difficult one to parse
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "i don't believe i suck because i suck, let me rephrase this five thousand different ways maybe one sticks"
mircea_popescu: in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop.
Vexual: oh lookout tomservo qntra ops
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Which radio show was that in reference to?
mircea_popescu: type two changes into type one around the third day mark.
mircea_popescu: TomServo something danielpbarron was on yest, dank something
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)."
mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.
Vexual: you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards.
TomServo: Oh ahah, yeah - wasn't sure how/why I ended up with the ops either.
Vexual: tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another
Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out
Vexual: this aint cute japanese qualifier chan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49586 @ 0.00073986 = 36.6867 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: and im sure as fuck not gonna register #qntra
Vexual: keep it alive oldschool
Vexual: loaf of bread was 25cents
TomServo: Vexual: It wasn't intentional, my host was disconnected. Muhbad.
Vexual: hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long
gribble: Error: "date" is not a valid command.
Vexual: when youre the last one out, leave the light on
bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?
mircea_popescu: i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?!
mircea_popescu: god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor.
bounce: the rich are simply too busy slinging subtle and oh-so-refined insults at each other
bounce: ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads.
mircea_popescu: all that matters is perspective!!11 and also, it's only funny until someone loses an eye.
Vexual: insults go right rthough me
mircea_popescu: ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny"
Vexual: the ones that go over my head i dont hear
mircea_popescu: meh, they stole it. this was the best insult in an ancient game
mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.
ben_vulpes: i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief.
Vexual: ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine?
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ?
mircea_popescu: "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!"
Vexual: ben vuples the java king
assbot: 16 year old birthday surprise gone wrong. - YouTube
Vexual: you know about the asthmatic lesbian?
Vexual: she caught her breath in statches
bounce: apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ?
bounce: starship titanic had "purveyor of shoddy goods!" -- pretty damning in context
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.
bounce: that is the assumption anyway
Vexual: of coursem its late, or early
kakobrekla: its fuck you money only until its not.
Vexual: not everyone with a brain seeks residual income
chetty: I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money
Vexual: 100 bux is prolly fuck you money if youve got skills
chetty: kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe ..
ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.
ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.
Vexual: depends how many girldfriends u got
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (124 milliseconds), mpex.co (134 milliseconds), mpex.biz (146 milliseconds), mpex.bz (237 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (644 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
Vexual: i've still got one in my leg
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closed 2 days 18 hours ago
mircea_popescu: the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year.
mircea_popescu: so does this mean he IS playing or merely that he will be ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.
mircea_popescu: note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> its fuck you money only until its not. << fuck you meat!11
mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My gut says it resolves at yes if he actually... starts playing
mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.
mircea_popescu: i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india.
mircea_popescu: Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ?
Vexual: i think we should get katy pery in here
Vexual: she only east and poops
Vexual: the drug dealer charters planes and shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ?
Vexual: when does london close?
mircea_popescu: i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on.
Vexual: no that's a juroc joje
wywialm: i'm unfamiliar with that one
wywialm: mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well
mircea_popescu: well to be perfectly fair, i had pre-deduced that last we met.
wywialm: i will definitely consider that as soon as i will have anything valuable to say
wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?
wywialm: i guess i'm the member of general public then...
wywialm: is there a way to change that status?
mircea_popescu: well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't.
punkman: wywialm: you could use bitbet for some action
wywialm: isn't it only for binary trades? that appplies to bitbet as well
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.61, Best ask: 364.63, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 364.66, 24 hour volume: 17852.87309723, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 386.32, 24 hour vwap: 370.329378879
wywialm: besides, it's financially settled which depends on the reliability of the exchanges
mircea_popescu: wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim
mircea_popescu: you can make an option out of a future and an underlying.
wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?
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punkman: I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome
wywialm: mircea_popescu, quite well, but i don't see how can i use two linear instruments to obtain nonlinear payoff
mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.
wywialm: apart from dynamic hedging, where i could use only one
kakobrekla: heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine
wywialm: mircea_popescu did you mean any static replication?
mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.
wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)
wywialm: (of course i should have a decent model to obtain reliable deltas)
wywialm: mircea_popescu - but that's not static. do i miss anything?
wywialm: what is the exact multiplier of x.eur?
wywialm: btw, do you know of any trade on btc realized volatility or realized variance?
jurov: FabianB_: mpex.coinbr.com fixed
wywialm: mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx?
mircea_popescu: maybe moving the oix from the now gone options to stocks.
wywialm: what types of indices did you consider?
wywialm: the warsaw stock exchange begun with 5 stocks listed as well, and calculated the WIG
mircea_popescu: yeah, i know. anyway, nothing public about all that yet.
wywialm: if you were interested in my thoughts on it, i could throw my 2 cents
undata: that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches
undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging
undata: wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.
undata: mircea_popescu: his dad backed off after one fake swing at him
undata: or whoever the fat fuck standing by was
undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"
undata: probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends if you like male teenager whining or not.
bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.
jurov: youtube comments say fake
assbot: The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community
undata: that family above could easily be residents
mircea_popescu: bounce it's god's cruel joke. jews take it even further with all the torah singing.
bounce: to get back at the almighty or something?
jurov: doomiiinuuus vooobiiiscuuum
mircea_popescu: jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation.
undata: these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work
undata: because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth
jurov: i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts
undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of
bounce: cheap knockoff society
undata: mircea_popescu: it's hardly that.
bounce: consumerist socialism?
undata: the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00074011 = 10.8426 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight.
undata: asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed.
mircea_popescu: undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ?
undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.
punkman: well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects"
undata: mircea_popescu: you seem to have many projects.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... how about "reengineer all of it"
undata: asciilifeform: how about "Life is about projects, and wealth should only be interesting inasmuch as it supports those endeavors."
mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.
mircea_popescu: undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ?
undata: mircea_popescu: everyone says that to everyone with every sentence.
punkman: asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly?
undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.
mircea_popescu: undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis.
The20YearIRCloud: Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us
mircea_popescu: and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around.
undata: mircea_popescu: how does that describe what I've said, in your view?
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.
undata: mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise?
bounce: then I'll take bestest
mircea_popescu: but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich"
mircea_popescu: the point is still there, tho. fuck you rich is about fuck you, not about rich.
bounce: implying people wish to be fucked over?
kakobrekla: thats why they dont live in the barrels
mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.
undata: one minute god-kings; the next liberty
undata processes on that last bit for a moment
kakobrekla: anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video.
undata: obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so.
undata: *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true.
mircea_popescu: selfless sacrifice on the altar of satisfying the societal expectation.
undata: another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu since when do appearances matter?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)
bounce: "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal
mircea_popescu: <undata> another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise this is what the existentialists used to call "petit burgeois"
bounce: a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful
mircea_popescu: bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution.
mircea_popescu: be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people".
bounce: bit of a cop out. can't we do better?
mircea_popescu: but no, we can't do better, because otherwise the fucking bums start nesting there.
mircea_popescu: like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff.
undata: if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents.
bounce: thing is, I do want to filter the pool for the talent regardless of parental wealth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that cost may be more than a few hundies a year.
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks.
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums.
undata: mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content.
undata: I can't see how it could be any other way.
mircea_popescu: lmao check that shit out, doesn't even exist in english.
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts?
The20YearIRCloud: Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours
undata: mircea_popescu: I think in english "gratuitous" means something far off from what you're aiming at.
undata: "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."
mircea_popescu: "Un acte gratuit est le fait d'agir en dehors de toute raison, motivation ou incitation."
undata: and.. ain't that some shit.
undata: how could it be possible to act without motivation?
undata: it came from god, not me?
mircea_popescu: undata listen, go read le diable et le bon dieu, sartre.
undata wonders if the translation will butcher it
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
kakobrekla: implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks
punkman: asciilifeform: seen same card activated doors in many places around eu
nubbins`: asciilifeform will likely take a couple days
punkman: also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door
nubbins`: plan was to take stock 0.5.3, remove src/qt/* and attempt to build
nubbins`: and use that as a starting point
nubbins`: so you could use stock 0.5.3 to test
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won
nubbins`: ah, nothing in particular, i don't think. merging bugfixes etc from 0.6 would be next i guess
jurov: i arrived in 2012 and lost a hdd since :/
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kakobrekla wont run bitcoind without the 'coin control' patch
jurov: 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there
midnightmagic: coin control is unnecessary now, create/decode/sign raw transaction exists plus listunspent and listaddressgroupings
midnightmagic: pretty easy to use them. I have a very tiny perl script that does the same thing..
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code
midnightmagic: mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while.
midnightmagic: I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though
midnightmagic: not for privacy imo. but I guess it does make tx creation easy.
kakobrekla: stock selection code < as shitty as it gets.
mircea_popescu: don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as much as a new news site brings about ddos.
mircea_popescu: you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc
mats_cd03: i will use that .2 btc to buy a ranch and a new stereo
bounce: millions of peaches/ peaches for free/
mats_cd03: i have discovered honey crisp apples
bounce: so, better than oranges?
mats_cd03: which is in fact not delicious, only red
nubbins`: wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly
nubbins`: mostly because of all this brew/macports gibberish
nubbins`: it's more unix than windows, at least ;p
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ?
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform >given only those 2 options
kakobrekla: just cant swallow apple. sry no can do.
joecool: just took delivery of a mbp and am attempting to resize it's cancer of an os to put anything on
joecool: yeah would do windows before this
kakobrekla: whats next, use phone and pretend its computer ?
joecool: chinese killed the thinkpad though
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ?
mircea_popescu: so it's not basically a laptop board with a soldered over bios chip ?
joecool: all sorts of weird "features" in OSX like, "stuck" processes
nubbins`: force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again
bounce: stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?
joecool: it's different than zombie process in other nix
nubbins`: how are we supposed to ub people
gribble: Error: "ficker" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.
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mircea_popescu: lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!
mthreat: What do you get when you cross a potato with a dildo?
undata: mircea_popescu: the puns! THE PUNS!
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up
undata: I will have to read those logs.
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ben_vulpes: just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by
mircea_popescu: xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.
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MosesEX: BingoBoingo, whats up BingoBoingo
MosesEX: homosexuals should be put to death
MosesEX: but obama supports homosexuals
dignork: BingoBoingo: RE: USB turd - it was pbbly a joke, Russ Dill works for Texas Instruments
kakobrekla: anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?
BingoBoingo: WHy not? 1BuJThNvr31EwnLGiaAdQbYHCkBdJvgTQJ
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work
BingoBoingo: Well this is the new one they are proposing
BingoBoingo: I've owned normal blackberries. Pleasant paging device.
BingoBoingo: Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though
assbot: /SwiftOnSecurity Windows Update busily bricking USB serial chips
http://t.co/XkoNmNiCUH Maybe completely intentional. Microsoft-SWATed case?
kakobrekla: thats what you already said for python
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jurov: rly? masculinity as a measurable natural resource?
artifexd: kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.
kakobrekla: artifexd never had, never will have any apple products.
artifexd: I thought I just read that you got a mbp...
jurov: no, we use lenovo - it means slovenky in somalian
artifexd: Ah no. That was joecool. Same color as you.
BingoBoingo: <artifexd> kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C
jurov: or soundproof foam?
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pete_dushenski: ^must be the same raymond from that trilema comment. everyone loved him too!
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Which non-OS X OS are you running?
artifexd: I'm looking at centos right now.
artifexd: I haven't settled on a distro yet though.
kakobrekla: dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.
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MosesEX: BingoBoingo, ebola? its overreacted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iBola isn't a thing yet. Maybe next month?
MosesEX: those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: Ordanation doesn't count when ebama does it
MosesEX: obama is destroying this country
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin?
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no