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mircea_popescu: so ? still automatic citizenship!11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naive idea. they unplugged this, to avoid ru proper being swamped with the entire contents of kazahstan, ua, baltics, all the provinces
mircea_popescu: mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ?
asciilifeform: it was still swamped, against rules, and the people who did the swamping accounted for a large fraction of the bums which appeared during collapse
asciilifeform: at any rate, even if herr putin mailed me a ru passport as perverse birthday present, fat lot of good that would do. need a lot more than a passport to leave the 'big zone.'
jurov: only hungary does not need to fear such swamping can do "if you had ancestors in Big Hungary 100yr ago, here's your passport"
asciilifeform: ireland, i think, too
jurov: *Great Hungary to label the delusion properly
mircea_popescu: finally done with logs o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats
mircea_popescu: jurov jews are similar. romania too.
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone, really. germany definitely, if you were born there.
mircea_popescu: us citizens on army bases routinely get dual citizenship kids if they become pregnant and deliver
asciilifeform: i've been informed that the usual excursions where people take pregnant women to usa, have reversed.
asciilifeform: or maybe it was just orlov.
undata: canada will readmit children of a canadian citizen
undata: sadly I'm two steps removed
mircea_popescu: i think the bar for thai citizenship is having sex with a trannie
asciilifeform: at any rate, no one is stranded in usa solely because of passports.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me. << no that's how debian did it for what, 10, 15 years ? << I thought it was just Ubuntu that only made a user account they'd turn into a super sudoer
asciilifeform: one can buy passport
asciilifeform: just like one can buy freedom
undata: mircea_popescu: haaaa
jurov: there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age
jurov: hope bitcoin will grow faster
asciilifeform: how does it increase with age?
undata: don't buy a bunch of garbage if you're headed out.
asciilifeform must have missed something
jurov: at 20 it's pretty much 0
asciilifeform: undata: garbage can be packed into crates and shipped
jurov: then it goes up
asciilifeform: undata: if one must have it
undata: asciilifeform: yep, or that.
undata: jurov: I would say maybe leaving behind business contacts has a cost, but the internet solves that.
undata: and bitcoin solves getting paid by them
BingoBoingo: Buy truck, drive to panama, 4 digit number to move truck around the Darien last time I priced it.
asciilifeform: i guess there's the elementary fact that a 70 y.o. head of a firm cannot turn into a 20. y.o. apprentice again
TheNewDeal: rapeghost =?= rg
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Yes
jurov: TheNewDeal yes ====
asciilifeform: undata: the internet solves that << if only.
undata: depends on what kind of business then
TheNewDeal: finally serving my sentence
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Mine any news yet?
TheNewDeal: let me run one by you
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Go
TheNewDeal: gotta keep it suuuper seektret
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: git clone http://therealbitcoin.org/test/bitcoin.git <<<< wtf nonsense is this, that's 2014 bitcoind in there.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you know who maintains that site?
asciilifeform: jurov?
asciilifeform: at any rate, imho git is entirely the wrong pill here.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#888734 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 20:33:59; asciilifeform: i suggest going with whoever had the mailing list idea. emphasize the 'we sign things and so mechanism doesn't matter' aspect.
asciilifeform: static www hosting latest stable result of composition of gpg-signed patches from mailing list - yes, more yoga, but ultimately the Right Thing.
jurov: yes, i just wanted to test, as it says
asciilifeform: git etc. is very tempting, sweet, yes
asciilifeform: but wrong for this occasion.
BingoBoingo: CVS ???
asciilifeform: forsaking version control systems entirely!
asciilifeform: the only way to emphasize the gravity of submitting a change to bitcoind.
jurov: um
jurov: that could apply once we're close to the ideal
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: nope.
jurov: or are we already?
asciilifeform: it's the only way to actually get somewhere with the old tub we have.
jurov: so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script
asciilifeform: the somewhere, incidentally, is a stable satoshi-based gizmo worth using as a base for rewrite (idk about other folks, i shall rewrite for my own pleasure if no one wants, once finished with current affairs) - and perhaps worth printing!
jurov: that will verify and apply them?
asciilifeform: suggested script.
asciilifeform: only really need stock gpg to verify.
asciilifeform: and pubkeys naturally
asciilifeform: jurov: also host a copy of the present state of the mailing list, perhaps
asciilifeform: static html.
jurov: yes
asciilifeform: since, at least in the mechanism i suggested, no message shall be ever published that is not signed, any reader can verify that the mailing list is authentic.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> so you say what will be hosted - only list of patches and a script << I actually imagined set of books for the core an annumal supplement book of refinemnts
jurov: with a patch to mailman?
asciilifeform: patch to mailman << why ?
jurov: to reject unsigned msgs
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: yes, that's the only work-like part of this proposal, yes
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who wants to mirror the proposed mailing list, will be able to do so at his pleasure.
asciilifeform: instant anti-ddos pill
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DO you want me to rip my openbsd cd's and upload them somewhere?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what vintage?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I may be able to fulfill your order with nubbins` help
thestringpuller: It would be leatherbound and you can also engrave
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: afaik it has not yet been decided what ought to be between the pages...
thestringpuller: a writer buddy of mine does bookbinding of journals as one of his fanatical things
asciilifeform: i've bound an odd book here & there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5
thestringpuller: so once you figure that out, nubbins can do a good printing job
nubbins`: it's good exercise for the fingers
thestringpuller: and then you can send it here to have it bound
nubbins`: and an excuse to own a small hammer
asciilifeform: 5.5 is almost new
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5.5 is the first version after I cared to get the physical CD's
BingoBoingo: 5.6 comes out next month
danielpbarron got 2 copies of 5.5 from 2 different sources
asciilifeform is presently engaged in trying to collect the smallest (bitwise) possible bsd+gcc+etc combo that will build bitcoind 0.5-0.6
asciilifeform: cross-compilation for linux/x86
danielpbarron: and by copies i mean cd sets
jurov: i'll look into the mailman
asciilifeform: my present emulation, incidentally, is not to have network access
asciilifeform: controlled through (emulated) serial tty.
asciilifeform: and this, imho, is proper.
nubbins`: nice
BingoBoingo doesn't know if OpenBSD plus userland can be stripped to 1 FDD...
decimation: asciilifeform: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs
bounce: don't think so.
bounce: there's picobsd or nanobsd or whatwasit
bounce: for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser
BingoBoingo: bounce: Many of those abandoned, poor rng and gcc as FreeBSD derivatives
bounce: decimation: which three are you proposing?
BingoBoingo: <bounce> for the one floppy trick you'd probably need qnx or so, but not sure if bitcoind would fit with that, even after you kicked out photon and the browser << QNX that Blackberry thing?
bounce: qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed
BingoBoingo: bounce: I imagine BitcoinNetwork, BitcoinBlockhandler, BitcoinWallet
bounce: they did a one floppy demo once (twice, there's the xmas edition) that let you boot a full graphical desktop plus browser
BingoBoingo: <bounce> qnx was a thing way before blackberry existed << Indeed, but way for a decent RTOS to ruin the last Mobile OS
bounce: oh c'mon with the quoting
BingoBoingo: What there's a temporary Vag shortage so queefing is out of the question
bounce: well yeah I'm not too happy bb bought it up, no matter how good it'd be for them. qnx was a bit floundering though, that with everyone running off to leen0x and no real hardware incentive for what makes qnx special. just throw more hardware at the problem and it's sorted. (the beancounters think)
decimation: 1.) blockchain gather/relay 2.) transaction accumulate/relay 3.) blockchain database 4.) own transaction receive/generate 5.) wallet crypto
bounce: then again, bb is floundering too. won't be the first time some company buys up something good for a bout of fleeing forward, goes down anyway and takes the good with it
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well worse is when the company buys a floundering product and hides it to success like Intel did with DEC ALpha
asciilifeform: decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary !
asciilifeform: bounce: floppy << not for the whole orchestra, no. gcc alone, think! but to get minimal skeletal userland.
bounce: switch to a smaller cc first? :-p
asciilifeform: fabrice bellard's tinycc would be neat, but no cpp.
asciilifeform: and satoshi crapped out cpp and used cpp-dependant dependencies.
BingoBoingo: Boost is a bitch
asciilifeform: if someone wants to try building a cpp preprocessor using tinycc - be the hero, yes.
joecool: BingoBoingo: bb10 is not that bad, come on
bounce: boost is a bit ludicrous, even for the c++ course
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there must be some statistic how price of uprooting increases with age >> it does ? why would it ?
BingoBoingo: joecool: BB9 was perfect for what a person could expect out of a mobile turd os though
asciilifeform: ^ i did point out.
bounce: why'd you want to distribute the cc if you're going to distribute binaries?
BingoBoingo: bounce: So people can reproduce binaries
asciilifeform: bounce: we were discussing an ideally-portable and self-contained distributable build system.
bounce: then split it in a full build-everything-from-source thing and a shrunk binary-only thing
asciilifeform: that never pulls - anything - off the net on its own accord.
joecool: BingoBoingo: 9? did you mean 7?
asciilifeform: shrunk binary-only thing is the binary.
bounce: full source is never going to work on a floppy, unless you can make xor compression work
asciilifeform: any of the 29 (?) magickey holders can make you one & sign it
asciilifeform: i explained the floppy
BingoBoingo: joecool: Whatever came before 10 and had wifi calling and the vibrating dildo function
asciilifeform: even the source doesn't fit on floppy
bounce: probably flew me by, sorry
joecool: BingoBoingo: i dunno, 10 still has that too
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> instant anti-ddos pill << this is like saying that because anyone can wget -m qntra.net that's an anti ddos pill
BingoBoingo: joecool: But 10 doesn't work on preferred hardware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be, if it were simple to mirror. and every post signed.
asciilifeform: and presuming folks wanted to.
asciilifeform: need both the will and the way.
cazalla: i got a response from paydici if anyone was interested in yesterdays article http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitpay-to-assist-paydici-to-enable-bitcoin-based-recurring-billing/
assbot: BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: qnx << a very interesting item, and i loved playing with it when young, but it was inevitably bulldozed by the age of no-you-can't-make-money-selling-close-os-unless-you-re-apple-or-microshit
asciilifeform: *closed
asciilifeform: or, one might add, green hills corp.
asciilifeform: whose owner invented 'linux fud' !
asciilifeform: (their entire business model consists of 'we're rather like linux, but closed-source and nsa-approved, one hundred percent Aryan')
bounce: so qnx lacked military connections and dishonesty to succeed
asciilifeform: actually it had connections, and, afaik, still runs on various 'if they told you they'd have to kill you' hardware - but not a going concern
asciilifeform: at any rate:
asciilifeform: there is nothing magic about qnx.
asciilifeform: it is only less of a turd than other unix-likes because:
asciilifeform: there's less of it.
asciilifeform: (bitwise)
asciilifeform: therefore closer to 'fits in head.'
asciilifeform: about similar (in conceptual 'weight' rather than design!) to the unix described in 'lions book.'
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/julian-assange-bitcoins-blockchain-most-intellectually-interesting-development-in-the-last-five-years/
assbot: Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17223184.000-did-bubonic-plague-really-cause-the-black-death.html << more interesting.
assbot: Did bubonic plague really cause the Black Death? - health - 24 November 2001 - New Scientist
BingoBoingo: Oh Today's World Series game is competitive
BingoBoingo: Fuck Hunter Pence looks like an extra from Breaking Bad, methed out motherfucker
asciilifeform: 'They are not the first to blame Ebola for an ancient plague. Scientists and classicists in San Diego reported in 1996 that the symptoms of the plague of Athens around 430 BC, described by Thucydides, are remarkably similar to Ebola, including a distinctive retching or hiccupping. Apart from that, many of the symptoms of that plague- – and one in Constantinople in AD 540 – -were similar to the Black Death.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Familiar with Hanta or any other new worls scourges?
asciilifeform: 'Eurasian hantaviruses can incubate for up to 42 days, but are not usually directly contagious between people.' (linked piece)
BingoBoingo: The New Reno region mircea_popescu wants to playground eventually as new world hantaviruses, keep your distance from the mice...
decimation: qnx was fun. did they ever have a multiprocessing variant?
decimation: heh http://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.3.0SP3/neutrino/sys_arch/smp.html#SMP " Symmetric multiprocessing addresses the issue by running only one copy of Neutrino on all of the system's CPUs."
assbot: QNX Developer Support
BingoBoingo: decimation: BB10? Think it was bigkernellock like OpenBSD though
decimation: the c-machine is a mistake, but ganging multiple c-machines was an even bigger mistake
mircea_popescu: cazalla the sorrow in that "That's about as close as you can get with BitCoin." is delicious.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cazalla as head of qntra was a gift that keeps giving. Dude knows tone.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Julian Assange: "Bitcoin's Blockchain Most Intellectually Interesting Development In The Last Five Years | Qntra.net << for sure.
decimation: the implication being that assange has accomplished little with his derpcapade
mircea_popescu: comparatively less does not mean little.
mircea_popescu: it just means everyone else is drowning in their own shit
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the reminder emails will probably get bitpay flagged for spam too
mircea_popescu: nah, they probably paid the payola
mircea_popescu: (the way "spam" works is you pay yahoo 100 bux or w/e, never get fglagged. dun recall right off what google is)
decimation: assange and his crew struck me as a naive bunch whose position is "we want a loving mommy state"
cazalla: decimation, he is quite soft when it comes to shit like aboriginals
decimation: cazalla: interesting. what does that mean exactly? more welfare?
cazalla: more everything at cost to the tax payer
decimation: plus apologizing for forcing their children to go to school and beating them until they learned?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you know if you dig deep enough everyone's going to have a bunch of idiotic notions.
mircea_popescu: best take people at their peak
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: All officers and directors voluntarily agreed to the Company's redemption of an aggregate of 12,750,000 shares of common stock for an aggregate payment of $2,491. In doing so, the Company will have further flexibility in continuing to strengthen its balance sheet and ultimately add shareholder value. << could you help me decipher what is going on here accounting wise?
mircea_popescu: they bought back their own stock ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best take people at their peak << Great value of a WoT system as here has is you can know what their bottom is
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: that's what I thought but based on these numbers...($2491 for ~13mn shares doesn't add up to the published market value as it looks like the ask value is ~ 8 cents a share)
mircea_popescu: at any rate, that's what it should mean, regardless what they actuall did.
cazalla: decimation, that's already been done and now they want compensation, the abos want to live off the land but government is determined to stop them no matter how much it costs
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2,491 / 12,750,000
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2491 / 12750000
gribble: 0.00019537254902
thestringpuller: ^- see?
thestringpuller: http://investors.btcs.com/ << bottom of page has stock price
mircea_popescu: does it say who it redeemed from ?
thestringpuller: nope
thestringpuller: just "it was redeemed"
decimation: cazalla: that's pretty much how it works in the us and canada too
mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, this is a disguised gift of stock from directors / interested parties to company
mircea_popescu: designed to increase per share value.
mircea_popescu: borderline fraudulent.
thestringpuller: okay that's what BingoBoingo and I thought. thanks for clarifying.
cazalla: decimation, they're not all bad, i had a good abo mate through school but once they hit 13, they just want to go lighting fires and breaking into corner shops etc etc sniffing a bit of 98 octane as well
decimation: they huff petrol? that's crazy
mircea_popescu: this idea that what people want matters as a universal...
mircea_popescu: who the fuck came up with this dumb shit.
BingoBoingo: Fuck this World Series
cazalla: yeah, they lock the bowser at some petrol stations because they come in with a jerry can, fill up and leave without paying
decimation: I have a friend who works in a hospital indian health service (branch of usg). she says the majority of us indians are drunks
mircea_popescu: decimation so are the majority of irishmen
decimation: ironically the irish got their own 'independence'
cazalla: basically, if ever confronted with violent aboriginal in australia, pop ya petrol tank cap and tell him "good sniff bro"
decimation: lol
mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline
BingoBoingo: I feel gypped, the Kaufman stadium fountains appear to be off.
BingoBoingo: This is nothing like Ken Griffey Jr presents Baseball
kakobrekla: as promised i have setup a mirror for ze logs - http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com - hosting for the mirror gratuitously provided by mircea_popescu
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log - mirror 1
mircea_popescu: gratuitously means pointlessly yo!
kakobrekla: take it up with mp.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, here ya go, much safer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_%28fuel%29
assbot: Opal (fuel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: Opal is a variety of low-aromatic << that'd be a problem
decimation: lol they used leaded gas before that?
decimation: that's crazy
BingoBoingo: Who didn't use leaded gas?
cazalla: i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation
decimation: even in the us that was gone by the 70's I think
BingoBoingo: For the hell of it I may or may not have driven a tank of leaded gas winter of 2006...
decimation: I guess the ban didn't go into full effect in the us until 96
cazalla: actually, i just checked, phase out began 2000 and ended 2002.. good sniff that
decimation: people bitch because aviation gas in the us still has lead
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sh... let me kill a few more cat converters first
joecool: <cazalla> i think that was phased out mid 90s decimation < not in planes
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas#100LL_.28blue.29
assbot: Avgas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
joecool: ^
decimation: "It contains about one-half the TEL allowed in 100/130 (green), though the amount is about 4 times what was in pre-1975 leaded automotive grade gasoline."
decimation: so, if you live near an airport with small planes, you are being showered with organic lead
mircea_popescu: best tomatoes!
cazalla: joecool, i pray our aboriginals don't find this out or they might introduce TSA here
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/525066962121261057
assbot: Video shows a man got onto White House grounds, was surrounded by Secret Service agents. Man literally punched a dog that ran at him.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> best tomatoes! << We still have tomatoes ripening...
TheNewDeal: Anyone attempted to sell a call option on BTC for a cash trade. If so, how was it received by the other party?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Our plants started ripening in late july and we still have new tomatos...
cazalla: would be nice to have home grown ones in the winter
cazalla: july being middle of winter here
BingoBoingo: July's normally peak summer here, but... we never get consistent weather
thestringpuller: cazalla: july being middle of winter here << the joys of the southern hemisphere
Pierre_Rochard: I’m looking forward to the new foundation & its ‘fork’
mircea_popescu: me too!
decimation: it turns out that the pilot of the 'zombine plane' that flew over cuba and crashed had asked the usg air controller for a lower altitude twice http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/doomed-tbm-900-pilot-twice-asked-lower-altitude
assbot: 403 Forbidden
decimation: he was flying the first production model of the tbm-900, a single-engine turboprop plane
BingoBoingo: Fuck this might be the most boring worls series
cazalla: why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, a lot of players are latin american
mircea_popescu: !up Evolyn
BingoBoingo: The way the World Baseball classic works is usually the Whole United States gets beat by a small part of the US
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No one questions that the Rabbitohs won the World Rugby championship...
BingoBoingo: It is just hard thought to explain how perfect Kaufman is as a baseball stadium
cazalla: rugby? it's league! that would be like me saying softball is the same as baseball
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I thought league was realest rugby???
cazalla: nfi, i have not watched/played since i was a kid
BingoBoingo: And Union was the deviant sport
nubbins`: ;;google why do they call it the world series if all the teams are American
gribble: Derek Jeter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Jeter>; World Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series>; Boston Red Sox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Red_Sox>
decimation: well there are a few canadian teams
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Fuck you, Canada still has a team.
nubbins`: why do they call it the world wide web if it does not actually have width
nubbins`: BingoBoingo we used to have two!
decimation: nor is really a web
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Blame Obbumer stealing a team for DC
decimation: canada counts as a country sorta
BingoBoingo: ;;google nepal bitcoind doesn't sync
gribble: My bitcoin-qt client connection status and uptime at http://blockchain ...: <http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/7780/my-bitcoin-qt-client-connection-status-and-uptime-at-http-blockchain-info-conn>; Google Trends: <http://www.google.com/trends/explore>; Bitcoin Wallet - Android Apps on Google Play: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo actually would enjoy seeing Giancarlo Stanton playing Cricket
BingoBoingo: !up bitspill_
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
kakobrekla: answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html
assbot: Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status
thickasthieves: so no one uses higher than 7?
kakobrekla: well i can see how mp would argue that one as yes
decimation: xbtfoundation.org is open
thickasthieves: ew
decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge
decimation: we are more official than you are!
thickasthieves: ISO certified domainz
decimation: hehe
BingoBoingo: Baseball is the best, because why in the hell is Billy Butler an athlete???
thickasthieves: i watched every single red sox game for a couple seasons when pedro was the shit, then never watched again
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: All I ask for in life is to see Giancarlo Stanton with a better team. Any team oher than the Marlins will do.
thickasthieves: all i ask for is Bo Jackson comeback
BingoBoingo: SO old nao
thickasthieves: hehe
BingoBoingo: Bo Jackson makes MP feel young
thickasthieves: i think i might be same age as mp
BingoBoingo: Oh, Royal are winning now.
BingoBoingo: That mean Lorde is happy.
thickasthieves: so she can die now
thickasthieves: happy, that is
BingoBoingo: This is actually the person Lorde wrote "Royals" about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PseNrUeSmXk
assbot: The George Brett Story - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Mr. Pooped his pants in a casino, George Brett.
thickasthieves: i had a lot of his baseball cards once
BingoBoingo: !u[ cardigm
thickasthieves: since he played with bo
thickasthieves: right?
BingoBoingo: I still do somewhere, maybe
nubbins`: kako so most people are using 0.3.x?!
nubbins`: c'est impossible
thickasthieves: i still have all my bo cards, my brother collected ken griffer
kakobrekla: myea
thickasthieves: griffey jr*
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Bo did have an especially dignified retirement
thickasthieves: he did better value wise, but now its all worth nothing pretty much
kakobrekla: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/
assbot: Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes
kakobrekla: some other charts
kakobrekla: with more modern version numbers
kakobrekla: lol
thickasthieves: such css!
asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting
kakobrekla: 31. /BTCXchange.ro:0.9.99/ (1)
kakobrekla: hehe
asciilifeform: and what, for instances, is 'caesure:2014' ?
asciilifeform: or 'midascoin' ?
thickasthieves: versioning should start at 1000 and end at 0
asciilifeform: !s kelvin versioning
assbot: 3 results for 'kelvin versioning' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kelvin+versioning
thickasthieves: heh!
kakobrekla: asciilifeform https://github.com/samrushing/caesure
assbot: samrushing/caesure GitHub
BingoBoingo: Versioning should be remove code Major++, add bullshit minor++ so M.m like 968.2
thickasthieves: so we agree to just not use versions
kakobrekla: that caesure seems to be around since 2011
thickasthieves: just timestamps
asciilifeform: byte counts.
asciilifeform: half-seriously,
asciilifeform: version == log2(bytecount).
asciilifeform: caesure << uses 'shrapnel', mega-libraryturd.
kakobrekla: nfi what that is
asciilifeform: never heard of it until now
asciilifeform: and, unsurprisingly, openssl
asciilifeform: so no win really.
kakobrekla: o hey hetzner hosts 180 nodes lol
BingoBoingo: WILD PITCH, runners on 2nd and 3rd
BingoBoingo: Bottom of the 6th, two outs
asciilifeform: and what is 'statoshi:0.9.99'...?
asciilifeform: or 'toxi'
BingoBoingo: RBI DOUBLE, 5-2, Kansas city over San Francisco atm. 3.1 innings left
asciilifeform: is there a chart of these sorted by hash/sec ?
asciilifeform: (yes i get that the number is '0' for most of the above list)
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 382.02, Best ask: 382.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 382.49, 24 hour volume: 8029.65324351, 24 hour low: 380.0, 24 hour high: 388.83, 24 hour vwap: 384.099411335
kakobrekla: o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts
kakobrekla: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/security.html?20121910
BingoBoingo: Home RUN, Royals now up 7-2 in the 6th, 3.1 innings left.
thickasthieves: getting ready to move, just not sure which way
thestringpuller: he's a child rapist now?
kakobrekla: 360 vuln nodes ? lol
BingoBoingo: Sorry, last two updates should read 3.2 innings left.
asciilifeform: uncommonly useless chart
thestringpuller: Oh wow.
thestringpuller: KC is bringing the pain.
kakobrekla: yeah well child rape is also useless, yet.
kakobrekla: wait
kakobrekla: those arent real time charts
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's the bottom line: what are the high-hash miners using?
kakobrekla: :\
kakobrekla: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/
assbot: Index of /programs/bitcoin/files/charts
asciilifeform: decimation: seems like a question that ought to be answerable, at least very approximately, without their cooperation
decimation: origin nodes of minted blocks?
asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours
kakobrekla: not sure if its enough to pinpoint version
asciilifeform: pinpoint - no. approximately tell if they're running hearn turd - yes.
kakobrekla: maybe
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/breakout-gaming-fall-short-in-attempt-to-raise-10000-btc/
assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net
cazalla: this is just like when worm in rounders is asked how short he is and he responds "all the way"
asciilifeform: 10,000 btc << building a planet ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno about Yall, but I am watching Silicon Valley getting fucked with a frozen turd wrought of their own ethical lapses.
asciilifeform: ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The San Francisco Giants getting fucked by a team with a fraction of their payroll.
Adlai: did my gif get through earlier? https://i.imgur.com/srO11QN.gif <-- this may be the moment when i finally realized the importance of natural selection
asciilifeform confesses that he doesn't see anything whatsoever that may happen in a gladiatorial arena as 'silicon valley fucked'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not Handegg so not really that gladatorial
asciilifeform: arena in the sense of reasonably strong containment
asciilifeform: what happens in - generally, stays in
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can report here on it so copyrasta containment not that strong yet
asciilifeform: stays in - in the sense that not once have i ever seen any reason to give a damn about it
BingoBoingo: Ah, that is a different dilema.
asciilifeform: other than scientific curiosity, re: what fascinates various folks so much
BingoBoingo: Baseball fascinates me in how it seems to be the intersection of dice games and atheleticism
BingoBoingo: That's why I find it betable
BingoBoingo: Also odd things happen in baseball over time. In 2010 people would call prank if you said Tim Lincecum warming up in the bullpen, but it is happening.
asciilifeform had to look up 'bullpen'
BingoBoingo: Ah, I guess for context... back in 2010 Lincecum was called the "Freak" for seeming unnaturaly better than any other starting pitcher, but since then... He has more than regressed to mean...
thestringpuller: Braves fans are like that with Craig Kimbrel
BingoBoingo: Mastery of Bullpen usage was how Larussa got the Cardinals two world series wins, but nao... Mathenaging...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kimbrel is probably Sirian.
asciilifeform: ^ unique among just about all subjects, this remains 'greek to me' regardless of what i read.
asciilifeform: brain just won't digest.
asciilifeform: i had the rules of, e.g., baseball, explained to me - on more than one occasion - and promptly forgot the next day.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I'm that way with handegg and soccer
thestringpuller: Haha. BingoBoingo we should take asciilifeform to a baseball game.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd suggest playing the part of a Nationals or Baltimore Orioles fan next year, but given the proximity to District 1, dunno how you feel about anal probing
thestringpuller: Get him nice and drunk while heckling the pictures.
decimation: I understand the general concept, but there are many subtle rules and concepts
asciilifeform: that's the catch really
asciilifeform: a great many cultural in-jokes and tidbits that seem obvious to a 'native' but utterly opaque to others.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By refering to Kimbrel as Sirian I mean as in from the Wasp, bowlegged with inhuman movements. Only way to describe the fucker.
asciilifeform: this plus a chronic lack of my being able to muster giving a rat's arse
asciilifeform: yes i get that part - the only thing
asciilifeform: i meant, the game in general.
asciilifeform: and american football.
BingoBoingo: Ah, well most 'Murican don't really get Baseball anymore unless their spanish is good.
BingoBoingo: American football is simpler though. DOn't break your spine before you sign an NFL contract is basically all of handegg
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XTS-400 << interesting. turns out greenhills is not the only crown-approved turdphactory
assbot: XTS-400 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: does it meet 'common criteria'
asciilifeform: apparently.
BingoBoingo: Of the two 'Murican sports, "Football"is probably the one with the simplest rules to grasp.
decimation: BingoBoingo: except for all the subtle rules about when/where tackling is legal
decimation: that turn out to be randomly enforced in practice
asciilifeform: aha green hills is still the only 'eas6' (highest usg rank) os.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, handegg regular gameplay changes every year nao and Baseball hasn't had a real change since the mound was lowered because Bob Gibson
asciilifeform: http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/products
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decimation: eal4 is a joke
asciilifeform: (what does this mean? largely, claiming to enforce the american scheme of 'security classifications')
asciilifeform: and $maxint or so in lawyering
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah what it really means is that you sat through many gov't meetings
asciilifeform: and had the pedigree
asciilifeform: certified aryan!
decimation: and got a note from stalin, etc
decimation: I'm not sure how any c-machine can really be 'formally verified'
decimation: which is eal7
asciilifeform: decimation: the whole concept of 'formally verified' is a scam.
asciilifeform: in any and all cases.
decimation: As I understand, the 'common criteria' eal levels are going away, in favor of even less objective scam-criteria
asciilifeform: regardless of what kind of machine, and in what galaxy.
decimation: so it is easier for notes from stalin to be issued
asciilifeform: a physical machine is not a theorem.
decimation: for instance, if your logic was built with 74xx, how can you 'guarantee' fail-safe under all conditions?
decimation: you can't
asciilifeform: the notes will remain extremely easy for some, entirely impossible for others - to get.
decimation: who the hell knows what molten silicon will do
asciilifeform: just as intended.
decimation: yeah for instance if the chinese submitted an entry, no matter how open or impressive, it would never be adopted
asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements
asciilifeform: all bets are off then.
decimation: yep
asciilifeform: one of the sad prices we paid when switched to digital computers is the inevitable forgetting that we are playing with physical machines, and not mathematical platonic forms.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, where does Vax still reign???
decimation: BingoBoingo: I'm sure there are still vaxes running somewhere
asciilifeform: chinese << forget chinese. nothing i - a peasant - so much as breathed on - will ever be crowned 'eal'.
BingoBoingo: decimation: They run the nuclear arsenal
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: theo de raadt has a microvax somewhere in his cellar
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why, want one ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a few $mil will be 'required' one way or another
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off
BingoBoingo: First priorities include ECC x64 machine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik, the only remaining manufacturer of ecc-enabled amd (specifially) boards is 'tyan.'
BingoBoingo: Seems so, but I'll look a few years older and he same seems to hold
decimation: asciilifeform: I think supermicro makes them too
decimation: aside from that you are stuck with hp, dell, etc
asciilifeform: amd dell?
decimation: yeah dell made amd servers for awhile
decimation: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-r715/pd
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asciilifeform: http://conelrad.com/godfrey_2.html << entirely unrelated to anything. except perhaps the 'satoshi warning' feature of bitcoind.
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decimation: 1960 usg might have been able to regroup and have some semblance of authority in case of major disaster. 2014 usg has no chance
thestringpuller: ^- is this why they make so many disaster movies about the USG going underground during a disaster and trying to reclaim power?
decimation: thestringpuller: yeah such movies are probably less fantastic than usg's hidden 'plans'
undata: 1) hide underground 2) send the military into the cities 3) burn
decimation: what military?
decimation: if washington dc goes under, for instance, there is no us military
undata: it disappears?
undata: see: 1991
decimation: it has no head, and the various pieces will find themselves suddenly having bigger priorities
undata: none of which will be keeping control of the continent?
decimation: who's control? I have no doubt that off-continent enemies will be taken seriously, but who's orders are they going to follow? Texas?
undata: the military would still have a chain of command absent civilian authority
undata: I don't think the head-body metaphor applies here
undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain
decimation: 1.) "chain of command" orders military to 'crush' a city 2.) half the troops go awol, the other half are murdered by partisans 3.) "chain of command" no longer in command
undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities
undata: "partisans" have no chance
thestringpuller: decimation: is right tho
undata: you guys are a bit wishful sometimes; I share the sentiment towards the us govt
undata: but I highly doubt any of you are going to like what follows if it falls
thestringpuller: definitely but without a function chain of command the army is going to fragment into multiple "militias" in a serious disaster
undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work
decimation: I'm not interested in anarchy, but sometimes anarchy is interested in you...
undata: maybe in Rome
undata: things are much more organized now
thestringpuller: we like to think so, but who is really pulling the strings?
undata: I'll listen to the other view; go ahead
BingoBoingo: undata: It's almost like you've been following none of our hobby projects we joke about.
undata: look, if you're going to present it as a given that the most effectively oppressive military complex on earth is about to disappear, you're going to have to justify that.
decimation: undata: think of it from the point of view of the lowly private. You are at Fort Hood, and wash dc is gone. Your commander has told you that the 'chain of command' has ordered you to 'take Dallas'.
decimation: there's no air support, because comms are down. The 'locals' mostly think that the state should decide how things are run, not some ex-bureaucrats.
decimation: things get ugly. a few bombs go off. You are ordered out of your apc into the city.
decimation: your friend is shot in the head, he calls for help, but the locals have already taken over the airport, no helicopters anywhere
decimation: what you gonna do?
undata: I think American's are cowardly enough that Dallas won't have to be taken.
undata: *Americans
BingoBoingo: undata: I'm just suggesting datacenter that can't be disconnected from a safe distance...
undata: if things start falling apart, they're going to beg for the first strong voice they hear to save them.
undata: and I think the military industrial complex will provide that voice for them
undata: when the jackboot ends up on the corner he'll have been welcomed by >50%
BingoBoingo: undata: But what if the Sirians offer that strong voice first!
undata: BingoBoingo: who?
BingoBoingo: ;;google Wasp pdf
gribble: Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps Yellowjackets and Paper Wasps: <http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb0643/eb0643.pdf>; Yellowjackets and Other Wasps - Washington State Department of ...: <http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/97427.pdf>; Paper Wasps - West Virginia University: <http://www.wvu.edu/~exten/infores/pubs/pest/hpm7003.pdf>
thestringpuller: i have the pdf
thestringpuller: http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf
thestringpuller: http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf
BingoBoingo: ;;google wasp eric frank russell pdf
gribble: WASP - Lone Wolf (122 pages) - White Aryan Resistance: <http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf>; Wasp (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_(novel)>; One man against a whole planet: Eric Frank Russell's Wasp | Tor.com: <http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/03/one-man-against-a-whole-planet-eric-frank-russells-wasp>
thestringpuller: DAMN
thestringpuller: you beat me to it
undata: I'll check it out.
undata: "White Aryan Resistance" really?
BingoBoingo: undata: Would you prefer I find the ISIS hosted version, they prolly have one...
undata: nah, I'm already on the list.
decimation: peterl hosted a text version
undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse.
undata: why wouldn't I expect Americans to choose their own Putin
undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up
undata: *big
BingoBoingo: undata: Because 'Muricans share a weak soft language...
undata: american putin doesn't look much like him
undata: he looks like reagan
undata: "Grandpa, tuck us in and tell us ISIS wont ruin Christmas!"
asciilifeform: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish << where is soviet army ?
thestringpuller: ^- this point should have probably been mentioned earlier
undata: still there, rotting, but not gone
undata: and still very relevant to Russian life
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wasp << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#882545 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2014 18:23:44; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: note that, for all the poetic license of the tale, it is very clear that wasp needs a support network.
decimation: yeah 'wasp' doesn't work in anarchy
decimation: it needs a fragile paranoia-state
asciilifeform: all that 'wasp' without support can hope for, is
asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned - Goodreads: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: it needs a fragile paranoia-state << these are not in any short supply
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But a Wasp with a poor support network also has a death wish...
asciilifeform: what's in short supply, is an 'earth' home to supply mr. wasp with containers, forged documents, etc
undata: wow, that's a quote.
asciilifeform: reading the tale, it is easy to forget that it is about a soldier, albeit an unusual one
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you pay on average at your loper-os isp if you don't mind asking? it seems like a really cheap deal
asciilifeform: 1-5 usd/mo
asciilifeform: on avg.
asciilifeform: depending entirely on load
decimation: yeah I guess hosting static text is cheap
kakobrekla: yeah, asciis stuff is so quotable he could write directly into bash.
asciilifeform: except not
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is just abuser of 'bash'
decimation: Did you write your own comment system?
asciilifeform: nah it's just an ancient 'wordpress' with all the crapolade ruthlessly burned out
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: this is getting to be more and more the way to go.
asciilifeform: what, didja think i actually did work on it
mircea_popescu: fucking scavenger culture. "o, nice car, is it the latest ford ? no, it's an old toyota civic with the crap thrown off"
asciilifeform: 'junkyard wars'
decimation: I guess I thought that anything written in php was exploited to death
mircea_popescu: no dude, php is a lot more stable than ruby bs, then the ruby crowd goes around bitching about php
asciilifeform: decimation: 'nearlyfreespeech' co.
kakobrekla: except not < i think you are the most common in bash say last 5 pages
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform looks
mircea_popescu: s/bash/come see stan saying weird shit/
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kakobrekla: !b 1 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: fuck.
kakobrekla: hehe
decimation: I guess php has had a 'trial by fire' as the lingua franca of web devel
undata: python isn't much better.
asciilifeform: trial by shitburial.
mircea_popescu: decimation no, moreover, php doesn't try to do much. literally, it's intended to process strings.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the incredibly idiotic shit it does is concentrated
undata: overgrown templating language
asciilifeform: (never heard of shitburial? it's when yer in a hole and they park a honeywagon, lead the pipe out, throw reverse gear, and... fill)
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: ^ from dream as a kid
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah xbt is gay but it can be used as a wedge << a wedge ?!
undata: is metaphor comrade
decimation: mircea_popescu: it appeals to the un crapolade
mircea_popescu: oh i see. meh. prolly jurov should just reg it to mess with people.
decimation: I already did :)
asciilifeform: it's intended to process strings << incidentally - 'SNOBOL'. i invite folks to read about it. the idea of dedicated 'string processing' languages is rather old, and has not really gone anywhere 'snobol' hadn't gone.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may be old enough to recall the fucking relief php was back when ppl were stuck doining web-cgi
asciilifeform: patterns as first-class data type
asciilifeform: ehe.
mircea_popescu: you think the web is insecure now, brother...
decimation: turns out they were calling the buggy-as-hell bash then too
asciilifeform 'enjoyed' from safe distance
mircea_popescu: you shoulda seen the days of c wrapped.
mircea_popescu: decimation o ya.
asciilifeform: incidentally, technically we never left 'c wrapped'
thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-shop-attempts-to-strengthen-shareholder-equity/
mircea_popescu: decimation has it. "bash-wrapped c"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument"
mircea_popescu: (nobody actually said it, but I FELT IT!!!)
asciilifeform: alter string - elementary
asciilifeform: ask nodes their strings - also elementary
asciilifeform can't fathom what people argued about
mircea_popescu: we were arguing about power ranger braindamage uptake is like.
mircea_popescu: about how8
asciilifeform: does anyone have a quick&dirty interrogatory battery for a remote 'victim' bitcoind node?
asciilifeform: as in, published
asciilifeform: if yes, could arrive at a kind of truth moment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one can fudge the version string in the proggy, yes, but if you're on the network, folks can presumably connect to your node and test behaviours <<< miner doesn't have to rely
mircea_popescu: and because of ddos, plenty of time miner doesn't rely.
asciilifeform: not replying - also information.
mircea_popescu: after a fashion.
decimation: subtle client strings, etc?
asciilifeform: if never replies, is it really a node ?
mircea_popescu: could be.
asciilifeform: in what way, then?
mircea_popescu: nodes can implement their own private ip allows.
mircea_popescu: if the right person asks, they answer.
asciilifeform: aha
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: the non-classical version strings are interesting << the first time i said ppl alter their strings ppl hgere were "oh, mp is just making shit up to win an internet argument" < i can see how someone running v0.9 would set the string to 'ducky duck' but not v0.1.
asciilifeform: then arguably their external 'face' is the fellow in their private net who -will- talk to strangers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now we're discussing psychology.
asciilifeform: and then interrogate him.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu is that verboten here?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's
asciilifeform: ehe here we kinda do more psychiatry than psychology
mircea_popescu: or w/e her name was.
kakobrekla: i guess my guess is better than sexygingers
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> forsaking version control systems entirely! << i cannot conscience this.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read why and then think again. ten times.
mircea_popescu: ima put kako in the bash nao
kakobrekla: bash dont wash
mircea_popescu: what was her name anyway
mircea_popescu: oh saffron. kay.
decimation: it's amazing that there isn't a version control system with embedded crypto signatures
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: conventional version control - for private dildonic pleasure. for project like bitcoin where any change whatsoever might sink a galaxy - no.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Breakout Gaming Fall Short In Attempt To Raise 10,000 BTC | Qntra.net <<< they shouldn'rt feel bad, minigames didn't manage 10k either.
undata: decimation: git pre-commit hook?
asciilifeform: no hidden formats ☟︎
asciilifeform: sign (gpg, yes) a plain ascii patch set.
asciilifeform: with totality of info visible to naked eye.
asciilifeform: yes, the pluses and minuses.
mircea_popescu: cazalla btw shouldn't http://trilema.com/smg-ipo-succeeded-other-statements be in there ?
assbot: S.MG IPO succeeded. Other statements. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: I suspect git or whatever could be hooked to operate on such patches
undata: asciilifeform: the hidden format being the git db?
undata: it's relatively simple
asciilifeform: who the hell cares if it's simple
asciilifeform: will you read it? in person?
undata: yeah
undata: I've done extensive work with it
asciilifeform: or let 'git' do its thing
asciilifeform: every time?
undata: it's just a key-value store of hashes
asciilifeform: why use 'git' then
asciilifeform: if you won't let it chug
mircea_popescu: i don't think you two are discussing the same discussion.
asciilifeform: ^
undata: asciilifeform: you're saying "what if git tainted my commit"?
undata: that's easily discovered
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: that's not it at all
undata: then I'm off base; what were you saying?
asciilifeform: that the entirety of everything submitted by a contributor must be signed, every time, with his gpg key, and this fact be visible to the naked eye at all times
asciilifeform: naked eye means - no tools other than apparatus capable of displaying ascii text - plus one which can verify signature.
undata: I don't see why that's a requirement, but ok
ben_vulpes: base plus patchlist?
undata: ascii isn't the only format that's "right there for your eyes"
asciilifeform: pray tell what else
undata: I could show you every bit in my git db easily
asciilifeform: can i 'cat' it to my line printer?
asciilifeform: unchanged?
mircea_popescu: well ok, it could also be sung, or whatver. anyway, the central idea here is the signing.
undata: these are bizarre requirements
asciilifeform: no.
undata: you could sign via git hooks
mircea_popescu: undata you could sign via git hooks
mircea_popescu: similarly, you could sign via a website that has your pubkeys
mircea_popescu: would you ?
asciilifeform: i don't actually care if he signs via hook to his toilet flush lever
ben_vulpes: name of the game being dependency minimization.
asciilifeform: but i - won't.
decimation: the important part isn't the signature, it's the code
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
asciilifeform: !
mircea_popescu: without signature, there's no code.
mircea_popescu: just a collection of shit someone crapped out.
undata: ben_vulpes: sure, that's a fine value, but every time someone tries to reinvent VCS, they either produce something terrible or git
decimation: of course you validate the signature
ben_vulpes: undata: git can be used for development
ben_vulpes: that's not a problem
asciilifeform: use git for private dildonic pleasure. or for playing with friends. i do. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: but for releases, history of changes to bitcoin x
mircea_popescu: undata that's kinda why this is not the same discussion. you're thinking of the scratchpad. they're talking the exhibition.
undata: that makes more sense. In that case yes, I could see a very simple tool for auditing, signing, then releasing
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: fuck, people use email to this day to exchange code.
decimation: I think people are complaining more aboug github than git
asciilifeform: i was hoping to rationally convince people that the totality of the project ought to be the mailing list, the totality of the mailing list ought to consist of gpg-signed ascii text, and that this includes patch sets - which, collectively, add up to the product.
mircea_popescu: can you intercept x's email for y, change subtly, release ? sure.
mircea_popescu: "nobody could be bothered to do that"
undata: mircea_popescu: I use the same for code review, even if it's a matter of emailing myself
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: until it becames a case of "we will hang whoever made this one byte error in bash"
decimation: asciilifeform: isn't the linux kernel still done this way?
mircea_popescu: then suddenly people discover that... wait... ?!!?!?!
asciilifeform: linus uses some turdolator or other
mircea_popescu: nah its email
asciilifeform: 'bitkeeper' ?
asciilifeform behind the times
decimation: nah he wrote git to ditch bitkeeper
asciilifeform: aha.
decimation: but I know they discuss important patches on the kernel list
asciilifeform: well there's the answer.
asciilifeform: not plain text.
undata: you can extract a nice looking patch from git, and even email it from there
asciilifeform: and do all the linux contributors sign? i do not recall this being required
mircea_popescu: not rly.
decimation: Good question
asciilifeform: can extract != must exist canonically in that form
undata: asciilifeform: I'm saying it can provide the input to your envisioned system
undata: even automatically... via a hook.
asciilifeform: who even cares how each of us craps out his input
undata: anyhow, horse is starting to stink
asciilifeform: question is re: the canonical form.
asciilifeform: no, this horse is alive and well.
asciilifeform realizes that he is not very good at curing people of addiction to what feels to them as 'modernity'
decimation: asciilifeform: the bigger question is: who is the 'registrar' of the 'official version' - or does that merely exist in the private collection of each person's note?
undata: asciilifeform: explain; I'll listen.
asciilifeform: official version, if you like, is one (if any) that we (magic-29?) all agree to sign under.
ben_vulpes: <undata> anyhow, horse is starting to stink << what is this a reference to?
undata: ben_vulpes: dead horse, beaten
ben_vulpes: m ah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, "official version" is redefined from * this (static) to whatever one has most wot trust towards.
asciilifeform: in practice, the only possible result
mircea_popescu: so if version x is signed by people i know and version y is signed by people i don't know, x is official and fu.
decimation: right, it's in the 'eye of the beholder'
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: if 10 sign one, but never other, and 19 (plus ninjasp4mz0r) sign the remaining - clearly schism.
undata: mircea_popescu: interesting, a fork could emerge due to a breakdown of trust
mircea_popescu: no such thing as "official" "because we say so". who;'s we.
undata: that fits the social happenings well
mircea_popescu: undata more properly said : every breakdown of trust is a fork
asciilifeform: 'we's are illusory
mircea_popescu: rather than papering over breakdowns of trust with "foundations" and "chief scientistdom"
mircea_popescu: and this puts huge pressure on trusted nodes not to break the fucking trust
decimation: undata: no one here really minds having a different opinion than 99.999% of humanity
mircea_popescu: which is essential, because our enemies are putting a lot of pressure on them to break it
undata: my main thrust is that the thing will have to be structured in some way (a db)
mircea_popescu: and you can't just expect "conscience" to resist indefinitely.
undata: doesn't have to be git
ben_vulpes: no db necessary
asciilifeform: at any rate, the fact that no one could really directly profit (imho) from this escapade - other than devils, were they to succeed - should keep things interesting
ben_vulpes: or rather
mircea_popescu: conscience is fluid. look at Luke-Jr's conscience : he lied about bfl delivering. look at gavin, etc.
undata: it could be a fancy db implemented atop the blockchain
mircea_popescu: whenever people's conscience is the only protection, the third reich is about to emerge.
decimation: asciilifeform: right, I envision it more as the collected correspondence of gentlemen scholars, rather than a profitable venture
ben_vulpes: undata: staaaahp
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. but actual gentlemen, rather than presumed gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: ie, people with titles.
undata: ben_vulpes: piles of ascii no, never, please no
asciilifeform: collected correspondence of gentlemen <<<<<
asciilifeform: undata will feel better if we 'gzip' them?
asciilifeform: then no longer piles of ascii.
decimation: folks are welcome to publish, index as they see fit
undata: I yield the balance of my time, haha
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the hatred of ascii is from anyway.
asciilifeform: comes from, as i understand, 'xml' and other pseudo-humanreadable abominations
mircea_popescu: more like utf-8 i thought
undata: no, git is a distributed database
undata: not merely a format
asciilifeform is not ignorant of 'git' mechanics, uses it (sadly) every day
asciilifeform: as in, 7 days a week.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, where the facebook page and mockups for that?!?
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: maybe they meant to raise 50k facebook likes instead
ben_vulpes: i think then this discussion is settled.
ben_vulpes: there will be a base.
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: signed patches will released.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> decimation: bitcoind begs to be split into at least 3 programs << of which only 1 is necessary ! << for the record, what are the three and which the one?
asciilifeform: which one - the one that actually 'bitcoin'ates
asciilifeform: the one which menstruates guilade - flush it
ben_vulpes: what is the bitcoinating? the part that attaches to the network, downloads and verifies the blockchain?
asciilifeform: the unspeakable cthonian horror that remains - why even think of it
mod6: asciilifeform: i like the idea of a cypherpunk-esq mailing list to propagate patches from a common release.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the part that actually enables the things we like to do with the damn thing
asciilifeform: bitcoinate.
mod6: this hasn't been done for some time, and probably needs to come back.
asciilifeform: it is the only way.
mod6 gets ready to fire up mutt!
decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't it be a good idea for the privkey need not live in the same memory space as the rest of the code, for instance
ben_vulpes: decimation: a fantastic idea.
ben_vulpes: wallets should be built atop bitcoind or equivalent.
asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines ☟︎
asciilifeform: connected with serial cable
decimation: aye
decimation: perhaps with a protocol validator in the middle
asciilifeform: but it - is not the topic
asciilifeform: topic was janitorial upkeep of classic bitcoind
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ? ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: wait this was in there?
mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a galaxy far far away
mircea_popescu: back when there weren't any enemies listening in on our lists
mircea_popescu: mpex was almost discussed
asciilifeform: it's an obvious idea, srsly
asciilifeform: or just to me
mircea_popescu: it is yes
asciilifeform: logic is one for all of us.
asciilifeform: like victory.
asciilifeform wonders if his entire life is alive somewhere in old mpex material.
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of productivity is that it's 5am and the log is closing in on 1k lines. and yest it was nearly 3k. and jesus god it's a lot harder to go through when it's not mostly my own lines! i had no idea!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im sure that's not the case, i never cut solid copper anythings.
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: welcome to my hell.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cause normally i'm like, oh, logs, fancy that. but past few days it's been... omfg help me.
asciilifeform: protocol validator in the middle << people don't seem to get this. 'secure' is not a gigantic mechanized orchestra of quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: it is 'fits in head.' and a few other things.
mircea_popescu: mechanized orchestra is a particularly good metaphore. because it never existed.
mircea_popescu: WHY did it never exist ?
asciilifeform: i asked my father as a boy
decimation: well, quite simply because the failure rate would be too high
asciilifeform: 'why no compressor for the jazz band?'
mircea_popescu: decimation eeexactly.
mircea_popescu: !up deadalus
asciilifeform: 'those trombones - how are they any different from pneumatic hammers!?!?'
asciilifeform: 'why must these poor musicians blow, strain their chests!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did he give you a sex answer ?
decimation: dijkstra would have been a fan of 'fits in head'
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i was derping with a colleague about btc payment processing recently. the topic: how to ensure the payment processor (he who tells the taco-delivery mechanism to release tacos) gets paid?
asciilifeform: dijkstra actually believed in proofs
ben_vulpes: our solution: one of the few actual uses for M/N signatures.
asciilifeform: he lived in the last days of an age of proofs
decimation: yeah but he also pretty much admits they are unworkable practically
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda reminded of the jews on toilet joke. "is this work ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually yes
ben_vulpes: funds sent to M/N address, both merchant and payment solution provider must agree upon processor fee and merchant share to disburse funds to each.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't blame him. only way out of that one.
ben_vulpes: mind you, this is a pure-btc play.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it goes on forever, like the us puritan thought pattern.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems dubious to me.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the three man committee to split a buck ?
ben_vulpes: no, thy enlightenment please
mircea_popescu: o wow.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo <<<< mechanized orchestra. required as that's my metaphor.
assbot: : - YouTube
mircea_popescu: so, me you and stan have to split a buck. i go : fuck stan, give me 50 cents i'll sign with you.
kakobrekla: there were to be two machines connected with serial cable < heh i have such setup with a buffer on the cable
mircea_popescu: you go to stan : hey listen, he's giving you nothing. take this 5 cents sign over to me.
mircea_popescu: basically it has no stable solution.
mircea_popescu: which is how and why the us political system does not work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00074164 = 13.7574 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: what if there's no third?
mircea_popescu: then it's not m of n.
cazalla: so how long until bitpay pulls that shit on the merchant
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Problem with brass instruments is not strain on chest, but strain on face.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't think much of the entire "multisig" bullcrap.
ben_vulpes: lol wat
ben_vulpes: m=n
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, n = 2 if there's no third.
mircea_popescu: shit. n = 1 is what i mean.
ben_vulpes: pardon?
ben_vulpes: both keys must sign for outputs to be valid.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes: "either we agree, or nobody gets anything."
asciilifeform: that film - is precisely about that orchestra.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes exactly.
ben_vulpes: okay, so my derpitude re: m/n aside, the thing has a stable solutino.
mircea_popescu: nop.
ben_vulpes: go on
ben_vulpes: please
mircea_popescu: well i dunno what's missing ;/
mircea_popescu: if i knew how to formalize this to be readily understanable for people i'd trilema it
mircea_popescu: but i have nfi.
asciilifeform: no stable solution <<
asciilifeform: ;;google ultimatum game
gribble: Ultimatum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game>; What's the ultimatum game? - HowStuffWorks: <http://money.howstuffworks.com/ultimatum-game.htm>; Game Theory: The Ultimatum Game: <http://gametheory101.com/The_Ultimatum_Game.html>
mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: the incentives are aligned! merchant and payment processor must agree to get anything out.
mircea_popescu: you contradicted yursrlf lol
mircea_popescu: you just said they're at odds.
mircea_popescu: "the incentives are alligned! they're contrary!"
ben_vulpes weeps in ignorance
mircea_popescu: let's use sex, people think easier about sex.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're with a girl that doesn't wanna fuck you.
ben_vulpes: i was going for the wot
mircea_popescu: do you suppose her mother coming to your room and saying "neither of you is to leave here until you fuck" help anything ?
decimation: asciilifeform: that's a trippy movie
ben_vulpes: i'm not savvy to this story.
mircea_popescu: which movie ?
ben_vulpes: let's try the wot.
asciilifeform: movie << linked above
ben_vulpes: merchant and processor sign agreement that proceeds shall be divvied thusly.
mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube links ;/
asciilifeform: 'Шкатулка с секретом' ~= 'box with secret'
mircea_popescu: NOW YOU BROKE IT
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to do that why bother with m/n
mircea_popescu: just sign it from the beginning and be done with it.
ben_vulpes: insurance policy?
decimation: all this does seem to break down to something like "we want a computer to enforce a human language contract" which ain't gonna happen
mircea_popescu: dude. srsly ?
mircea_popescu: "insurance policy" ? "here's a car that doesn't work, and just to make sure, we welded to it a boat that also doesn't work" ? is this a way to live?
mircea_popescu: do something that works.
ben_vulpes: that's too big a leap for my tiny brain
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's your favourite meal ?
ben_vulpes: boats and cars aside i think i get the "computer enforcement of human language contract"
decimation: asciilifeform: not far from you in luray, va there's a cave where some guy converted a stalactite/stalagmite gallery into an organ
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ojo de bife y vino
ben_vulpes: vino tinto
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok, suppose the chicks ake you ojo de bife, but as an insurance policy they mix cheesekace in there.
mircea_popescu: just in case you don't like it, as it were.
mircea_popescu: this work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had a nice script to ignore youtube << that one's worth it. but you probably saw it. about same age as i did...
mircea_popescu: or do they both get spanked purple and "next fucking time do one thing and do it right"
asciilifeform: welded to a boat, also doesn't work >>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2014#436318 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2014 00:00:40; asciilifeform: re: 400: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the defective ones separately.'
ben_vulpes: https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1381361152/4761785.jpg
mircea_popescu: gr assets ? srsly ?!
mircea_popescu: ahh, the beauty of 64gb memory systems is that if they allocate 46gb they still have plenty left over.
asciilifeform: unless linux, and has to decide to not cache disk first.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sane linuxes actually use the memory. or am i missing something ?
asciilifeform: (like many things in life, invisible and harmless until fails)
mircea_popescu: swap is 1.2/29.8gb used.
asciilifeform: i often ask folks to contemplate, when they soak up 64g, what that number really means
asciilifeform: and what unspeakably-dildonic luxury 64gB is
ben_vulpes: * mircea_popescu kinda likes the smell of gasoline << various engineers went on red alert over a faint whiff of gasoline earlier today
ben_vulpes: "oh my noes i can feel my brain wilting all the way over here! a scent of gasoline! in the warehouse we rent! we're all about to keel over!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im running a sort of generational modelling thing i hacked together. this is my idea of fun.
ben_vulpes: silence and an absence of complaining ensued.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol
asciilifeform was driving car, and smelled unexpected smell, took almost a minute to realize that it was it. and turned out to be next car's ruptured tank!
asciilifeform: went on like this for a few km.
decimation: good time for a car-b-q
asciilifeform: phoom.
mircea_popescu: carbeque :D
ben_vulpes: how was the scent moving with your vehicles?!
asciilifeform: both moved
asciilifeform: column
asciilifeform: generational modelling << genetic algo?
mircea_popescu: of sorts
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know duct tape gets a bad rap around here, but... duct tape
ben_vulpes: but f-frictional losses?
asciilifeform secretly sins with genetic algos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how does duct tape get a bad rap ? i used it for a sex act earlier today!
decimation: I was driving along i-95 once, saw a full carbeque in progress in the right shoulder. Three lanes over through rolled up windows the heat was uncomfortable on my face
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparelty people don't trust that it apperently comes in different qualities
BingoBoingo: !s duct tape
assbot: 19 results for 'duct tape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=duct+tape
mircea_popescu: !s abductape
assbot: 0 results for 'abductape' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=abductape
mircea_popescu: a well.
joecool: decimation: i had a truck explode in front of me on i-78, driver got out just in time, bad spot too under an overpass
mircea_popescu: did you get thrown off road ?
asciilifeform: carbeque << 'and then they summoned me / to the 'special' division / and asked 'why did you not burn up with your tank?' / to them i answered / 'in the next attack,' / 'in the next attack,' / 'i promise, i'll burn up!'
asciilifeform: (rough translation, perverted version of ru ww2-era patriotic song)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no need for the 74xx to melt - enough to 'get lucky' and reach a metastable state in one or more switching elements << for pure wankeriferious interest : wouldn't supercooling it be a pill against all this ?
asciilifeform: against metastability?
asciilifeform: nope
joecool: mircea_popescu: opposite side, very strong heat, assuming the diesel is what caught
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> answer to someones question earlier http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/versions.html << those colors.
assbot: Bitcoin Peer to Peer Network Status
joecool: not a bomb
decimation: if you were to fully extract the energy of a tank of gas going into your car at the pump, you would be getting about 22 megawatts
asciilifeform: what it even means. the fact that the two documented stable states of, e.g., flipflop (or even just inverter) are an abstraction.
decimation: Er, power, not energy
asciilifeform: think of a sheet of rubber with two dimples
asciilifeform: but in reality, there are not only two. there may be a third, and fourth, or rubber can even bend when the ball rolls on it.
asciilifeform: and make new pit to park in.
mircea_popescu: decimation mw-s only impressive for a second
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the probability to find a metastable state roughlt linear with system energy ?
mircea_popescu: (at low energies)
asciilifeform: depends on system.
asciilifeform: but given example wasn't so bad, 'molten slag' is also a metastable state.
asciilifeform: just, not the only.
asciilifeform: mw - let's work out:
decimation: no, the main issue is poor timing
asciilifeform: your engine, let's say, 300kW
decimation: or reflections, etc
asciilifeform: nice car
asciilifeform: how many times faster the spigot pours, than your fuel pump?
asciilifeform: multiply.
asciilifeform: 22mW is not unreasonable figure
asciilifeform: (how long it takes to fill your car? how long, on the road, to empty it?)
decimation: http://lanseybrothers.blogspot.com/2011/09/gas-station-pumps-energy-at-22.html source
assbot: The Lansey Brothers' Blog: The gas station pumps energy at ~22 Megawatts
decimation: 34.8 mJ * 10 us gal / 1 min
asciilifeform: like so.
decimation: this is one reason why batteries suck
asciilifeform: yes.
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> o hey our resident child rapist also keeps charts << lulzy, what's the story on this?
asciilifeform: go find something other than chemical fuel that you can charge at 22 MW but won't discharge unexpectedly at 22 MW.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll be looking to grow my farm once qntra takes off << lol what a plan for the future.
asciilifeform: hey about as good as mine.
mircea_popescu: you write for qntra ?
decimation: pumping gas is the same as borrowing about 2% of a reasonable nuclear generator
asciilifeform: nope
decimation: at 1 gigawatt
asciilifeform: (re: qntra)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra grows, I buy chickens and strange hardware. Nothing wrong with that.
asciilifeform: was re: plan.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason civilisation is built on oil.
asciilifeform: my plan is to think of a plan once i have a plan to think of a plan.
mircea_popescu: ^ sounds like you should be on kickstarter.
asciilifeform: or, earlier, if i've something to work with
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Chickens have strong foreclaws, powerful warriors for D.A.G.
asciilifeform: directed acyclic graph?
asciilifeform: or 'dirac angestun gesept'
BingoBoingo: The latter
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron o hey how did radio go.
decimation: re: metastability https://filebox.ece.vt.edu/~athanas/4514/ledadoc/html/pol_cdc.html
assbot: 1 Clock Domain Crossing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fear the avaians, but not for their flu. They know of their McNugget futures and choose otherwise!
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. incidentally this is why we can't really do asynchronous logic (e.g. muller's gate) on extant fpga.
mircea_popescu: undata: more like giant slave and ankle-chain << this was recently in full display in the ukraine, and then later in iraq. except both ukrainians and iraquis are, as a stock, more resilient than the us guy.
asciilifeform: decimation: i even think i explained this very thing to someone here, once.
asciilifeform: long ago.
mircea_popescu: undata: the US military is immensely capable of holding cities <<< should be interesting to hear more of this.
decimation: yeah. digital circuits are not ideal 0/1 gates, they are analog computers
mircea_popescu: undata: a highly armed, extremely disciplined military doesn't just vanish because the congressmen stop coming to work << obviously not. it just starts working for me instead ?
asciilifeform: the digital computer is a beautiful dream. good and well, but you can't dream the dream without some 'meat' to dream it with.
decimation: the thing is, the us military only looks impressive because it has 'support'
decimation: in the same sense that the wasp guy did
decimation: without that support, and with dwindling oil supplies, what you gonna do?
mircea_popescu: undata: BingoBoingo: I'll read this but to continue, the Russians sought Putin's strong voice after their collapse. << not after, honey. a decade after. that decade is important.
mircea_popescu: decimation generally high efficiency is obtained at the cost of high fragility. the jit system is a fine exampel of the principle.
decimation: aye
mircea_popescu: essentially to get "really good" at one thing you define a narrow thing to be good at.
mircea_popescu: then you end up engaged in the middle east trying to do another thing,
mircea_popescu: and everyone's pointing and laughing at your apparent inability, notwithstanding immense expenditure, not leat of all of your own god damned effort.
decimation: right, randomly destroy the support for the existing 'ability' and you see rapid nonlinear fragmentation
decimation: not graceful linear degradation
BingoBoingo: Predicted used for Deedbot: 1. Declarations of giving a fuck 2. Claiming swaths of US land 3. #b-a related corp financial statements
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if washington goes or stays is irrelevant, but if the obnoxious sissy faggots currently in the general staff are all raped and hanged the army will suddenly see its mission redefined much widerly
mircea_popescu: and in that redefinition it will signifcantly increase in strength.
decimation: without a single tank being moved
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it wil happen not merely in spite of gas shortages
mircea_popescu: but because of gas shortages.
mircea_popescu: yugoslav army was not 1/6 as effectual as the same god damned units, except now commanded by the war criminals.
asciilifeform: folks who are not 'armchair general' scholars of nato idiocy may be surprised to learn the extent to which the entire edifice was built - still is built - to 'blow its wad' against ussr in no more than a 3 week period.
undata: mircea_popescu: I think we agree then.
asciilifeform: and then die
asciilifeform: of hunger, thirst
asciilifeform: boredom.
mircea_popescu: undata good to hear.
undata: I was arguing that "those piles of weapons" commanded by whomever will remain
undata: and likely operate without the freedom-loving layer of bullshit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, pretty much every single gi item has fulda fucking stamped on it.
mircea_popescu: invisible, yet present.
asciilifeform: operate - to guard col. ripper's shiny new harem and wineyard - yes
asciilifeform: to 'take dallas' - why?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory is any guide, it will be more to settle wot disputes than anything.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cousin spent 2005 - 2009 as an active duty Marine. Spent two years on a boat in blue water, "just in case"
decimation: my point is simply that there's no way the us military would be effective against its own people, it would fracture
mircea_popescu: harem does not need guarding, not in that context. btches know enough not to get messy at that juncture.
asciilifeform: harem as in physical structure
mircea_popescu: decimation doubt it. croatian military didn't "fracture". nor did serbian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it seriouslt doesn't need so much defense. would be smartasses are well shy
asciilifeform: many places will get things they don't strictly need.
asciilifeform: or think they need
mircea_popescu: sure. so they do today. business as usual.
mircea_popescu: no, i tell you, it'll be "colonel X of Y promised major Z of K delivery of m then reneged. who the fuck does he think he is ? charge!"
mircea_popescu: because if you don't charge might as well shave, oil up and go to the harem.
asciilifeform: basic point - what keeps col. x from turning his division on the white house, for shits & giggles?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In Napoleon's army mustaches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that his division is valuable and the wh is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: what should have kept hitler from digging the desert looking for the holy grail ?
mircea_popescu: sanity.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla no, just sayin', your guess is as good as sexyginger's << boss you got a funny memory
asciilifeform: may well have perverse meaning to col. x
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my memory's my best part!
asciilifeform: herr schicklegruber had a nonzero grail budget
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. perversity and sanity are unsisters.
decimation: right, but what does general y have to say about what col x. does?
asciilifeform: by some accounts
BingoBoingo: decimation: Various general were replaced by cigarette smoking men in suits
asciilifeform: today - col. x won't blow away wh because he has an imaginary retirement with hunting dogs and cocksuckresses living in the spiderwebby recesses of his balding skull.
mircea_popescu: ha! hahahah get out.
asciilifeform: tomorrow - the spiderwebs clear away. no dogs
asciilifeform: no retirement.
decimation: my point is that col. x is much more likely to appoint himself 'mayor of dallas' and send a polite 'fuck you' to the remaining chain of command
mircea_popescu: find me any army colonel that gets... cocksuckressES. plural ? gtfo.
asciilifeform: in his mind.
mircea_popescu: what was that caricature, army wife ?
mircea_popescu: dependosaurus ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google dependopotamus
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just a picture read from the faces of actual living specimens i saw alive
gribble: Urban Dictionary: Dependopotamus: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dependopotamus>; 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: <http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2014/07/3-signs-a-woman-is-a-dependopotmus/>; Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog: <http://thoughtcatalog.com/tag/dependopotamus/>
BingoBoingo: ;;google terminal lance dependopotamus
gribble: Terminal Lance #56 “Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus”: <http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/>; Sunday Funny: the Dependopatamus | Kit Up!: <http://kitup.military.com/2012/01/sunday-funny-dependopatamus.html>; overview for magress - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/user/magress>
ben_vulpes: why do dependopotamuses have sex in the water?
asciilifeform: dependopotamus is a real creature which infests privates, not colonels.
asciilifeform: typically.
mircea_popescu: generally the hussies flock to the businessmen rather than the warlords. at least from what i've directly observed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of a colonel that wasn't ever a private.
decimation: mircea_popescu: this is regularlly the case in us mil
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: himmler?
decimation: colonels are appointed directly from university
ben_vulpes: well gents you have a good one
mircea_popescu: o.O ?!
decimation: it's rare one finds an officer who was first enlished
ben_vulpes: i have a charter to dream up
decimation: enlisted
cazalla: heh brock piere be retweeing qntra now lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes we're writing for when you get up!
decimation: it happens, but not common
BingoBoingo: Well in Usia Colonels usually start as Lou-Tenants
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ah go fuck yourselves
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2nd lt is private neh ?
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to read all these lines i didn't write?!
decimation: 2nd lt is the eqiv. of 'officer private'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes with attention! these are actually the good ones!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, its commisioned
asciilifeform: in usa, 'private' is rank of the cannon fodder man, fresh off the street
mircea_popescu thinks he pushed his point far enough, rests.
BingoBoingo: 2nd Lt often is platoon leader
decimation: with no actual military experience other than officer boot camp
BingoBoingo: I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable
mircea_popescu: undata: some guy comes along and pledges to slap our oligarchs around; after a bit economic collapse they'd eat that shit up <<< this is some massively funny shit.
asciilifeform: decimation: i once learned, to great surprise, that as late as '70s i'd quality for an instant lieutenant if joined american army - all you needed was an ordinary uni degree (4 yrs.)
mircea_popescu: you actually think this is what putin did ?! or russian prole thought he did ?!
undata: mircea_popescu: correct me. I'd like to know.
asciilifeform: decimation: this, i think, was repealed.
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, they would pay you a bonus which you are generally required to spend on a ford mustang
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you the 20 year sergeants are pretty fucking happy with that o.O
asciilifeform: haha
asciilifeform: very 'happy.'
decimation: asciilifeform: no they still make you go through 'officer canidate school' which is boot camp lite
mircea_popescu: undata well, it's a lengthy matter, hard to fit in one line or w/e. but let me find you this thing about stalin.
asciilifeform: in those days, it was a kind of compressed 'crash course.'
mircea_popescu: !s stalin from:asciilifeform
assbot: 24 results for 'stalin from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stalin+from%3Aasciilifeform ☟︎
decimation: if you are a 'professional' like doctor or pharmacist it's pretty much just show up in uniform and learn how to salute
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wher's the one where you discuss people driving a truck with the man's pic ? because he makes order ?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'warrant officer'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-06-2014#719963 ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 17:24:22; asciilifeform: phun phact. russian truck drivers had portraits of stalin in their windshields (facing out.) possibly even now.
decimation: no no warrant officer is generally a rank reserved only for highly qualified enlisted men
mircea_popescu: undata ^ there you go. he didn't say anything about oligarchs. he just promised order.
mircea_popescu: this is a subtle concept. like the platonic notion of cosmos, an ordered universe.
decimation: although I think there were various times when it applied to technical experts
mircea_popescu: the main thing is that this de facto promises that every phenomenon carries meaning.
undata: mircea_popescu: ah, not revenge, just a return to function?
mircea_popescu: because unmeaning phenomena are very bothersome to simple folk.
mircea_popescu: uyp
undata: this goes back to the conversation recently about the concerns of a soldier at war
mircea_popescu: yup.
decimation: right, and the question is: is col x. with his own local agenda going to provide meaning or is gen y. in far away disaster-land?
mircea_popescu: maybe. distance dampens meaning.
BingoBoingo: http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com/2010/05/macy-from-maize-on-adult-ifying-power_1666.html
assbot: Rate Your Students: Macy from Maize on the Adult-ifying Power of the Curse.
decimation: without reliable air transport and crumbling land-transport, america is a big place
mircea_popescu: a lot to signify, and rapidly deteriorating common language. not in the sense of english,
mircea_popescu: but in the sense of, this feat where random high functrioning idiots like the kent guy quoted earier suddenly buy the common delusion of "global warming" becomes impossible.
decimation: right, I envison something like revolutionary france where the king is derping around paris and all of the peasants suddenly decide not to pay their taxes or heed property rights
asciilifeform: 'stalin did not recede into the past - he dissolved into the future!' (de gaulle ?)
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: the fundamental function of the rabi (which is what stalin was, practically, at the massive outskirts) is not going away.
mircea_popescu: and it does really not matter what sort of an ass the rabi is privately.
mircea_popescu: !up eightyeight
mircea_popescu: but the fact that the average person is not fascinated by congressional proceedings, let alone comprehend them at all, is a serious warning sign.
mircea_popescu: if you recall, back when the us functioned people went to see wtf jefferson said as their evening's entertainment
asciilifeform: well, people. not 'people.'
mircea_popescu: how is this then to be leadership ? because tradition-tradition ? mkay. only goes so far.
asciilifeform: homo redditicus was not yet born in his homunculus factory.
undata: "the dissolution of shared meaning" << this is a wonderful description of what's at work here
mircea_popescu: once the young sluts radicalise it's the end. which is why the teenaged runaway chgicks are so important.
BingoBoingo: Allegedly policical speech makes the evening newscast with alleged attribution
asciilifeform: it was why i linked them.
undata: what's the next step? doesn't someone come along and become that meaning for them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reddit is an effect not a cause.
undata: and don't they long for it?
undata: I recall the "need to belong" also from the other day
asciilifeform: reddit is effect, yes
mircea_popescu: undata only if such can exist. i very much doubt it can.
BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
asciilifeform: just like the drool of a drooling retard is an effect
asciilifeform: but still synonymous with retardation
mircea_popescu: granted.
decimation: I think such men can exist for localities
mircea_popescu: basically, the great federal project failed, the national project never succeeded, what's left is a sort of us of africa.
decimation: but right now the federal government means nothing but taxation and disorder to the majority of the populace
mircea_popescu: worst failed state in the history of european adventure, the us.
undata: there is a wide swath of the south that could easily start eating each other should the walmarts run dry
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The more I read on Argentina, the more it seems like what the US said it was going to be
decimation: agreed. and private Y. is going to be mulling these things over when he and his friends are getting killed over some vague pro-climate change agenda or whatever
mircea_popescu: undata why the south preferentially ?
Adlai: +BingoBoingo | I hear 2nd Lt's exist simply to make NCO's lifes miserable // true in the idf too
mircea_popescu: my bet is on chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism.
asciilifeform: also depends on how quickly us mil can retool for formally organized plunder
Adlai: why not detroit? or mogadishu?
mircea_popescu: Adlai detroit is stable as is. in fact if it does collapse, detroit will be the new capital.
mircea_popescu: they have the druglords to support order.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Detroit now has some farms within city limits too
undata: mircea_popescu: chicago gangs could at least hope to establish some kind of crude order
undata: yeah
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. there are powerful incentives for local col. x to 'defect' and become the warlord of kansas or whatever
undata: there are parts of the southern US that are just... astoundingly ignorant
mircea_popescu: decimation which, you'll notice, is exactly how the roman empire went.
Adlai: well, i doubt the US would let its capitol be ruled by local cartels, but they might be a capital of an independant state
asciilifeform: chicago cannibalism = first cannibalism << washington cannibalism - best cannibalism...
mircea_popescu: undata ignorance doth not a criminal make.
undata: they would not be capable of any kind of cobbled-together society
asciilifeform: a la 'best korea'
undata: mircea_popescu: what about hungry ignorance?
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts, having been there.
Adlai still maintains that human society is cannibalistic, we just don't eat flesh directly
mircea_popescu: undata nah, new york and california will be the shitholes.
mircea_popescu: rural missisippi wprolly be quite pleasant.
decimation: yeah I think the south and west would survive the best
mircea_popescu: generally, go to the places currently "ignorant", you'll be safe there.
decimation: rally the wagons, fuck you to outsiders, plenty of resources, not a crushing population density
mircea_popescu: their alleged ignorance is merely unallignment. not being alligned with the idiocy that just failed is a bonus.
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asciilifeform: Adlai would be pleased to read the works of soviet academician Porshnev
mircea_popescu: this was kinda the boon of romania. the slowest sheep in the eu flock.
mircea_popescu: as a result, when the flock went over a cliff... romania was still way behind.
Adlai: asciilifeform: any specific one?
undata: mircea_popescu: I see your point; my parents have a farm in rural PA. It would take about three weeks for the more dangerous (meth-addled) neighbors to be quiet.
asciilifeform: who argued, almost convincingly, that cannibalism shaped all of human history (e.g., fire was discovered to fight the cannibal half of humanity, who then morphed into sc4mz0rs or the like)
asciilifeform: Adlai: afaik, as with most soviet crackpots, no translation to english exists
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, you read my article about how fire was used to cookl ?
asciilifeform: nein
asciilifeform: tried using fire to cook, though
asciilifeform: it worked.
mircea_popescu: o you'll get a kick out of this.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/muffins-si-o-disputa-de-antropologie/
assbot: Muffins si-o disputa de antropologie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Adlai: well that's a nice crackocy, but i'm talking about the fact that upscale anglophonia lives off the sweat of other societies
mircea_popescu: "Ca atare, in baza acestor observatii, bomba : cel mai probabil prima carne gatita a fost de om, nu de animal. A cazut vre-o proasta-n foc"
Adlai is using "societies" to refer to other classes within and without anglophonia
mircea_popescu: Adlai why misuse the term then.
asciilifeform: de om, nu de animal << ahahaha porshnev
decimation: Adlai: it certainly is the case that the 'upscale (blue)' class in the us takes advantage of the labor & genius of the 'smart unaligned rednecks'
undata: mircea_popescu: oh, and florida is in the american south.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i swear never read him.
undata: there are highly populated areas throughout the south
asciilifeform believes
mircea_popescu: but... one logic, one mouth, one fie.
BingoBoingo: undata: But Florida man is a hero of ancient legend
asciilifeform: 'one mouth, one fie' a la american saying 'one shot, one kill' lol
mircea_popescu: >D
undata: BingoBoingo: hah, he will rise and rule the cock of the continent
asciilifeform: http://www.new-cccp.ru/warb/1261.jpg << incidentally not only american saying.
Adlai: the relationship is quite similar to that of an agricultural society herding cattle
Adlai: mircea_popescu: why misuse the term << the term is misused to shock the audience, a technique you seem to enjoy yourself...
mircea_popescu: vrag!!! (aka enemy)
asciilifeform: incidentally that phrase (in picture) doesn't translate one bit.
asciilifeform: just fails.
mircea_popescu: Adlai not quite, no.
asciilifeform: 'hit such that ain't there one bullet but there's one enemy.'
asciilifeform: [to match it]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "shoot not to the shots but to the enemies" neh ?
asciilifeform: looks like that, yes. but no - above.
mircea_popescu: as in, don't shoot to have shot, shoot to have killed.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: oh come on, your blog is full of metaphors that shock the average netizen encountering it for the first time
asciilifeform to bed
mircea_popescu: Adlai this is true. but when i redefine terms i always do it with a solid backing of thought behind it, and my redefinitions are actually cognitively stronger than the current convention.
mircea_popescu: these considerations are important, i can't be immitated by merely taking pictures.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You only think that because you're still looking at the rabbit hole and not harvesting the coneys therin
Adlai: ok, so what's wrong with looking at farming individuals of your own species as a form of cannibalism?
mircea_popescu: Adlai this was discussed in the logs :D
mircea_popescu: !s bullocks
assbot: 12 results for 'bullocks' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bullocks
Adlai: lol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862769 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:16:29; nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock
mircea_popescu: but anyway, at issue was the misuse of "societies" to mean "groups", not of cannibalism.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: It isn't cannibalism if you merely plan to take them to the rendering plant for fuel and not the abbatoir for meat
Adlai: no, not according to the current dictionary definition of cannibalism
decimation: cooking someone in your stomach is different than cooking them in your car?
Adlai: though i'm misusing the term intentionally, my misuse is well-defined
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're on a... slippery slope, so to speak. for most of history women were merely used to make more of them.
mircea_popescu: seeing how for same most of the history man was the engine, it's technically using women as fuel.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or merely a lubricated slope
BingoBoingo: Man uses homo sapiens, ethics is the discussion of acceptable uses
Adlai recalls a calculation in Collapse that egyptian pharoes had at their disposal approximately the same level of manpower as a single piece of modern construction equipment (eg bulldozer)
mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt this calculation.
mircea_popescu: omfg i finished the logs.
BingoBoingo: How does it feel?
mircea_popescu: it feels... good.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlpTRNIAvc
assbot: James Brown - I Feel Good (Legends of Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube
Adlai pokes around to see if he hasn't lent out his copy
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why all this bile directed at fertile women ?
mircea_popescu: http://thoughtcatalog.com/raul-felix/2014/07/3-signs-a-woman-is-a-dependopotmus/ << #2 ? she dares have children!!11
assbot: 3 Signs A Woman Is A Dependopotamus | Thought Catalog
Adlai: which bile/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Homo redditicus has trouble accepting it has an origin story
mircea_popescu: "While dimwitted, the Dependopotamus is a shrewd beast who knows that there is one surefire way to trap a man: Bear as many of his offspring as possible. Since having a baby in the military is free thanks to the dependency benefits, she’ll be in a constant state of hosting and developing new fetuses that she isn’t certain are from her husband or one of her many lovers."
mircea_popescu: this echoes an older argument brought by say shaw, in much blander prose.
mircea_popescu: sure, the female can be seen as a preditor. in that it ingests and keeps the sperm, sure.
undata: mircea_popescu: this is the insecurity of many men, that if they can't keep their woman, it must be the wretched whore's fault.
mircea_popescu: this is more of a novelty / gentleman's amusing musings, than actual you know, life philosoph.y
mircea_popescu: undata it's not even clear if the author wants her to stay or to go.
undata: he wants to be worshiped by something he hates, undeservedly
mircea_popescu: undeservedly which ?
Adlai: !g george carlin pumping out a unit
mircea_popescu: (now say undeservedly both and get in the bash)
undata: twas both
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think you wrote on geek wanting to be gifted a woman in his closet who doesn't need for anything. Dependopotamus trope is the inverse of that.
mircea_popescu: seems so.
BingoBoingo: The actual geeks revulsion with sctual women
Adlai: ;;google george carlin pumping out a unit
mircea_popescu: "She is extremely fertile but should be on a list of human beings who aren’t allowed to reproduce because her genes are toxic and will only perpetuate more parasites throughout society."
gribble: George Carlin - 2008 - Pumping out a unit - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwm-eXbakdg>; RIP George Carlin - Kids - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIXlwYoOV9k>; George Carlin - Feminist Blowjob Lyrics - Songs | Most Popular: <http://artists.letssingit.com/george-carlin-lyrics-feminist-blowjob-rnh9pn8>
mircea_popescu: all this pop science. toxic genes, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai ya, but then again carlin's not exactly the marrying kind.
Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin#Personal_life
assbot: George Carlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: heh my bad
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways with the dependopatomus I don't think the jealousy comes from them resenting what their actual highschool classmates had when they weren't in the service, but jealousy of what the hollywood version of the rest of their high school class ahd.
BingoBoingo: ANd on that note, bed time
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway
xinxi: hi
mircea_popescu: ello
Adlai: morning xinxi
xinxi: morning
xinxi: you guys are still not sleeping?
xinxi: i guess most of you are from the US, right?
xinxi: it should be very late there.
Adlai: it's always morning on freenode
mircea_popescu: we're all on meth.
xinxi: mircea_popescu - did you watch breaking bad?
mircea_popescu: one episode at some point.
xinxi: then bored?
mircea_popescu: sitcoms, not really my cup of tea.
xinxi: i like the way that they make meth. it’s quite educational.
mircea_popescu: !up Tom_Servo
mircea_popescu: nice host lol.
xinxi: i would probably get higher marks in chemistry if i watched that tv a few years earier.
xinxi: and i woudn’t need to do bayesian stuffs everyday.
mircea_popescu: o btw, did you manage to score a qntra article yet ?
xinxi: mircea_popescu - let me check the public offering first.
xinxi: btw, will anyone proofread my writing?
Adlai: xinxi: sure
Adlai: xinxi: it's not educational at all, methylamine synthesis yields a racemic product
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
undata: cazalla: oh the term un(der)?banked makes my skin crawl
undata: great piece of propaganda from the banking industry, that.
undata: the tobacco industry should try 'unsmoked'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47750 @ 0.0007413 = 35.3971 BTC [-] {5}
cazalla: undata, unsmoked lol
undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated"
RagnarDanneskjol: http://mises.org/daily/6934/Understanding-Quid-Pro-Quo
assbot: Understanding Quid Pro Quo - Gary Galles - Mises Daily
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFbsXIyzP-s
assbot: The Boswell Sisters - Stop the sun, stop the moon (1932).wmv - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00074216 = 2.9686 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.5401v1.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: [Neural Turing Machines ]
Adlai: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
Adlai: xinxi: still need a pair of eyes for your article?
RagnarDanneskjol: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/ is new mirror
xinxi: Adlai - thanks. it’s about qntra.net
Adlai: ... so?
Adlai: you asked for proofreading, i'm offering it
xinxi: i am not sure whether it’s neccessary.
Adlai: ok
Adlai (does not expect any kind of compensation)
xinxi: let’s see what will happen, if it’s really neccessary, i think then you can help.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/42958.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: [C/C++ Thread Safety Analysis ]
Adlai: pdfs!
Adlai: latest chromium has an embedded pdf viewer, pissing me off. i used to click pdfs without worry, knowing that they'd get downloaded and i could process them safely later (pdf2djvu, open in vm, w/e)
Adlai: now chromium just fucking opens them of its own accord, who knows what fuckery goes on there
RagnarDanneskjol: yea- annoying I kno
Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138
bounce: apropos of nothing, is there any evidence of secret agencies sponsoring production of spy fiction?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: radio, he avoids talking about bitcoin with me and sticks to getting me to say politically incorrect things about the Bible
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: bounce: undoubtedly
Vexual: ;;google dictionary sponsor
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punkman: bounce, it's rather amazing how many tv shows revolve around cops
assbot: : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=AMAZING+COMPANY%21
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890116 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 04:40:52; assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Adlai: so assbot can access its own logs, but it has lost the capacity to amaze itself
Vexual: lost and never found cannot be the same
cazalla: Adlai: cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gocoin-gets-cozy-with-igaming-operator/#comment-138 <<< approved it, i'll have a think, too late here to reply and i'd bet others here can provide more insight than i anyway
assbot: GoCoin Gets Cozy With iGaming Operator | Qntra.net
Adlai: okthx
davout: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
Vexual: Adlai, it's like rocking up with a shopify plugin to a game of craps
Adlai: uwot
Vexual: theye confused the unbanked with people in africa who own half a goat
bounce: http://www.philosophicaleconomics.com/hard-money-deflation-or-economic-stagnation/ <- spot the flaw.
assbot: Hard Money: Deflation or Economic Stagnation | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS
punkman: fractional reserve goat
Vexual: oh they'll bet it alright
Vexual: but a goats worth more than the money, just like a carton of beer here in oz, or a bitcoin
Vexual: if i provide services for a carton, and recieve a pineapple, thats bullshit
Vexual: ;;google pineapple $50
gribble: Appendix:Australian English terms pertaining to money and wealth ...: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_pertaining_to_money_and_wealth>; Australian fifty-dollar note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_fifty-dollar_note>; Great Australian Slang Dictionary | CNN Travel: <http://travel.cnn.com/sydney/life/great- (1 more message)
cazalla: help a mate move, you better believe that's a carton or 2
Vexual: fuck oath
Vexual: point is, if he turns up without the beer it's one less mate
Vexual: i'd like to know what this steve eregard thinks he's saying when he says underbanked
cazalla: holy fuck these kids http://vimeo.com/109731596
punkman: poor kids
Vexual: thats aweful
Vexual: the emPHAsis is all wrong
jurov: lol reminded me today's facebook outrage
Vexual: what happened?
jurov: "this is in 1st degree schoolbook in norway !!!1" https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204168203518090&set=a.4040499183634.174096.1616452016&type=1
jurov: ofc a lawyer with two degrees fell for this
Vexual: bit early isn't it?
jurov: Vexual the context is that theres a hysteria that moral corruption comes from west
jurov: amd Norway is funding some liberal NGOs around from the oil moeny
Vexual: i thought st nick was from the north?
jurov: and this is 99% a hoax
jurov: scandinavia is "teh west" for us
Vexual: yes thankyou, im aware of that
Vexual: i jest
jurov: lol vex at loss of words?
Vexual: santas a leftie?
jurov: depends which one? dunno about the coca cola addict?
Vexual: i don't know that one
Vexual: oh yes
Vexual: the image came to me
jurov: keep em coming
jurov: Дед Мороз is more interesting. pediwikia says: in 1928 Ded Moroz was declared "an ally of the priest and kulak"
jurov: currently he's involved in "on-going détente with various counterparts from other cultures, such as the Estonian Santa Claus (Jõuluvana or "Old man of Christmas"), the Finnish Santa Claus (Joulupukki or "Yule Goat"), and other Santa Claus, Father Christmas, and Saint Nicholas figures"
jurov: when my dirty imagination sees a french word in such context...
Vexual: theres about 400 punchlines there, context?
jurov: just take a sip
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
Vexual: did you hear what our elf of a leader said to putin?
jurov: prolly not
Vexual: he told the newspapers that hed "shirtfront" him; a violent football term for grabbing the opponent by the shirtfront with a twisting motion
jurov: heh... shoulda gone straight for balls
Vexual: well he sent the foreign minister to apologise a week later
Vexual: shes pushing 50 and weighs 40 kg
xinxi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSV7bgsClo
xinxi: Mark Zuckerberg speaks Chinese.
Vexual: Meng Fei wouldn't let him speak
Vexual: "perhaps next year"
Vexual: No, I am wrong, he speaks well
xinxi: yeah, his chinese is not bad.
xinxi: Meng Fei? you mean the beauty selection tv program?
Vexual: ofcourse
xinxi: do you watch it?
Vexual: yes
xinxi: oh, nice to meet another chinese people here.
Vexual: I am not chinese
nubbins`: <undata> "partisans" have no chance << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chWE8Gdp8_g
assbot: LEONARD COHEN - Partisan (1970)-Dedicated to the Matala Festival - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00074087 = 27.9308 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J_yaC_AGJk
bounce: http://www.nber.org/papers/w20592
assbot: . . . and the Cross-Section of Expected Returns
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2k2zr0/coinbase_is_in_trouble_but_its_their_own_damn/
assbot: Coinbase is in trouble... but it's their own damn fault. : Bitcoin
Vexual: eat sleep rage repeat
nubbins`: http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/ <<< :(((((((
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #56 Myths and Legends II: The Dependapotamus
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBoRkg5-Ieg
nubbins`: the authors of these "dependopotamus" articles are maybe the saddest spectacle i've ever seen
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETKqz3DkS3g
nubbins`: because you know they're all telling the tales of their own sad, shitty, ill-thought-out lives
bounce: so why bother?
nubbins`: why stare at a car crash?
nubbins`: morbid fascination, natch
Vexual: i roll past withought a glance in lifeful delight
Vexual: read about it on qntra later
bounce: there's better stuff to be read. see arrse.co.uk, say their wiki or the forum stuff about "walting"
nubbins`: each dependopotamus husband sowed the seeds of his own misfortune, yet presents his life as something that "happened" "to" him, rather than it being a direct consequence of his poor choices
nubbins`: "i'm a useless sack of camo shit who married the first woman who showed a passing interest, because my relationship choices are about as logically sound as my career choices. somehow, this is my new shitty wife's fault and not my own shitty fault"
nubbins`: "The Dependopotamus is a paradox. She is an utterly useless woman with a high sense of entitlement and self-importance." <<< completely and utterly unlike the guy who wrote this article, huh?
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPw8MQXjDDM
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucoK6KN1dzU
Vexual: this vodka went thru the carbon at about 10c
Vexual: it's good
Vexual: nubbins`: ive got a barrel of the kremlin shit, you wanna do a label?
Vexual: fuck it, ill remember what it is
RagnarDanneskjol: where do you buy vodka by the barrel
Vexual: got bitcoin?
Vexual: you could take a lada and head north with this shit, it's currency and fuel
Vexual: 90 proof if im a day old
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like a party
Vexual: http://vimeo.com/101616414
Vexual: I'll save you a bottle
xinxi: Vexual - you are not chinese? then you watch the translated tv program?
Vexual: do you drink xinxi, i guess not
Vexual: yes i watch with suctitles
Vexual: *subtitles
xinxi: yeah, I drank a lot when i was an undergraduate student.
xinxi: drank until vomit
Vexual: did it help you analyse intelligence?
Vexual: yes thats not good
xinxi: that’s difficult to say. maybe it helps.
xinxi: causal inference is difficult.
Vexual: it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently?
xinxi: by process do you mean digest?
Vexual: erm, im not sure, i was looking for the right word
Vexual: i can't talk i get silly on the stuff all the time
xinxi: it finally becomes urine. that’s for sure.
Vexual: hehe thats true
xinxi: where are you Vexual?
xinxi: south east asia?
Vexual: northern australia
Vexual: so yes almost se asia
xinxi: oh, i don’t know non-chinese australian also watch feichengwurao.
xinxi: do you like the girls?
Vexual: oh it's very popular here
Vexual: yes
xinxi: are they pretty?
Vexual: yes
xinxi: haha, who do you like the most?
Vexual: i havent watched for a while, i don't know who is on it
Vexual: i like to watch to learn about china
xinxi: is it because of the beauties?
Vexual: well i like the discourse
Vexual: but the beauties make it palatable
Vexual: beth
Vexual: both
Vexual: they are all so different
Vexual: i learn about different cities by the way they speak
xinxi: interesting, so the tv program is also quite educational.
xinxi: but many girls of them like money quite much.
xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike.
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kakobrekla: !b 2 ✂︎
Vexual: well the girls are a subset that like to be on tv
kakobrekla: >In Slovenia the name Ded Moroz was translated from Russian as Dedek Mraz
kakobrekla: hehe
xinxi: yeah, there are also many good girls.
kakobrekla: > Initially he was said to live in Siberia, but with the Informbiro crisis and the schism between Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union his home was relocated to Mt. Triglav, Slovenia's (and also Yugoslavia's) highest peak.
kakobrekla: hehehe
Vexual: can we equare Ded Moroz to Meng Fei xinxi?
Vexual: *equate
Vexual: kakobrekla is calling upon your intelligence
xinxi: is Meng Fei that good?
Vexual: nevermnd i googles it and its snata clause
Vexual: yes i like him
Vexual: he would be good at parties, inlike santacaluse
xinxi: yeah, they are quite different.
xinxi: Meng Fei has great personality
xinxi: but not santa
Vexual: yes h eeats magic mushrooms and provides no conversation whatsoever
Vexual: i need a new keyboard, perhaps jurov will bring me one
jurov: Vexual it'll get incinerated at customs due to biohazard
Vexual: ah thats a vexualism
Vexual: order a kb from jurov, get coal
xiando: omg $1227 they are attacking gold
Vexual: no annual fee
Vexual: huh? what do you mean xiando!
xiando: http://btccharts.everdot.org/2014-10-23/gold_under_attack.gif
xiando: I mean they are selling the gold.
Vexual: oh thats just ben10
xinxi: … I have 20 oz
xiando: I have no gold and neither do you xinxi
Vexual: he said he haz 20 oz
xiando: yes
Vexual: so he prolly haz 20 oz
xiando: now I know he has 20 oz and all I need is a $2 hammer and his address to get it
xiando: so my advice is to repeat after me: "I haz no gold"
Vexual: well i dunno if you noticeced but were getting friendly
xiando: :-) sorry. I just alwasy recommend saying "I have no gold"
Vexual: say what you like, if that shit goes missing..
xinxi: xiando, my gold was bought a few years ago
xinxi: but i did not sell it when the price reached $1700
Vexual: i own no gold
nubbins`: "I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lau[g]hing on a bike."
nubbins`: leel
Vexual: nubbins` is opposite
nubbins`: i like bikes and i like laughing
nubbins`: and i think BMWs are for people with no external genitalia
nubbins`: and the furnace at the tenant's house is fucked, which i do not like
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCOgj9_Rcl4
xinxi: OK, I will never buy a BMW.
kakobrekla: there is also bmw bikes :)
Vexual: if you do, get an m3
nubbins`: kako only in yoorup
kakobrekla: dunno
Vexual: we have them here
nubbins`: i've never seen one in .ca
Vexual: cops rode em till they got susies
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7b2E_Jq-k
Vexual: oh la la
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3SaDlKkqCg
nubbins`: same drums/vox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZGauZqpbg
Vexual likes the sentiment, can plaace the anti-shake
Vexual: *can't
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3VnX0hf_yM no gold
nubbins`: whoa same face
nubbins`: http://exclaim.ca/images/Waterman-and-Milley.jpg
Vexual: play it
nubbins`: https://blockchain.info/tx/61978dc4de853503debffd040ae4f03ccc17d7fe2cfcc986cf74cdcf62f6c105
kakobrekla: http://www.diyphotography.net/can-close-studio-amazon-patents-photographing-seamless-white/?_ga=1.40344354.1034369528.1398079273
kakobrekla: old as fuck, i missed it.
Vexual: is that your nubbins`?
nubbins`: kakobrekla lel x 1000
nubbins`: Vexual nope just an interesting tx
nubbins`: check the inputs
Vexual: nothings familiar, what am i looking at?
asciilifeform: a miner
nubbins`: a bunch of coins freshly minted 4 years ago, moving.
Vexual: satoshin?
nubbins`: nah
wywialm: hello
nubbins`: all the inputs are from late 2010
Vexual: okay, i wasn't born then, fill me in
nubbins`: no hidden meaning here, literally just a mildly interesting tx.
Vexual: oh thats the whole story?
nubbins` nods
Vexual: cool
nubbins`: is it? 8)
Vexual: whaa?
Vexual: not at all
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: mildly interesting tho, hey?
Vexual: alll minted? pineapples?
Vexual: fuck me
nubbins`: rather not
Vexual: i wouldnt
nubbins`: you say that now
Vexual: 2010 black says different
Vexual: this kbs claged
mats_cd03: 10:50:27 <+Vexual> it might just be a stereotype but chinese people process alcohol differently? << some asians lack the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme
Vexual: ah thats what i was thinking of
mats_cd03: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_dehydrogenase
assbot: Alcohol dehydrogenase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mats_cd03: irc on the pooper
Vexual: shit up a storm
mats_cd03: feels good man
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7xkvc1RlI eat beans and rice, shit up a storm
Vexual: reminder
Vexual: gotta have beans
nubbins`: where else ya gonna get your protein, quinoa?!
nubbins`: mats_cd03 dat mobile link
Vexual: not likely
mats_cd03: i was poopin and forgot to fix the link
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNA4ELdkYCo
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sucks huh.
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse natural concentrations of power or wealth that come from either being smarter or more savvy or luckier or starting with more power or wealth or reputation with systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests."
Vexual: yea i herd him on the radio
nubbins`: that's a difficult one to parse
Vexual: the dj sucke dharder
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "i don't believe i suck because i suck, let me rephrase this five thousand different ways maybe one sticks"
mircea_popescu: in my experience beating slaves into submission, two types are clearly apparent. one is interested in stopping the beatings, and will change in any way necessary. the other is interested in arguing about how the beatings should stop.
Vexual: oh lookout tomservo qntra ops
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Which radio show was that in reference to?
mircea_popescu: type two changes into type one around the third day mark.
TomServo: Vexual: Pardon?
mircea_popescu: TomServo something danielpbarron was on yest, dank something
Vexual: you're right tommo
nubbins`: "I think lots of people confuse (natural concentrations of (power or wealth) that come from either being (smarter or more savvy or luckier or (starting with more (power or wealth or reputation)))) with (systems that prevent newcomers from competing with entrenched interests)."
mircea_popescu: "i think lots of people confuse good hierarchy with bad hierarchy" to be followed by a) i am the one to establish which is good and which is bad, b) it's okay for me to use "does it recognise me as god-king" as a criteria of whether it's good or bad, c) the fact that i can and do argue against ANY hierarchy does not invalidate my methods.
Vexual: you were holdring chanops on the undregisered #qntra
Vexual: seems you left
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, is mp on rape, all that discussion about how the ignorant don't know what they're ignorant of and therefore can't make choices as to what to learn and how to learn it. which is why mp is so unpopular with this particular crowd of retards.
TomServo: Oh ahah, yeah - wasn't sure how/why I ended up with the ops either.
Vexual: its just irc business
Vexual: tomservo: in the past its been considered bad form to leave without passing operator stautus to another
Vexual: so on a new chan you op everyone, and you were the las out
Vexual: this aint cute japanese qualifier chan
Vexual: this aint hashtag (n)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49586 @ 0.00073986 = 36.6867 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: and im sure as fuck not gonna register #qntra
Vexual: keep it alive oldschool
nubbins`: back in my day...
Vexual: loaf of bread was 25cents
TomServo: Vexual: It wasn't intentional, my host was disconnected. Muhbad.
Vexual: hey i don't give a fuck, im impressed you strayed on for so long
Vexual: ;;date TomServo
gribble: Error: "date" is not a valid command.
Vexual: when youre the last one out, leave the light on
mircea_popescu: !up ziggamon
bounce: the pill against people establishing themselves as god-kings is you establishing yourself as a god-king, while making fun of the others?
mircea_popescu: i hate how life is filled with double standards. If a girl fucks a bunch of guys she's a whore. if I do, i'm gay. wtf?!
mircea_popescu: bounce that's all a matter of perspective.
mircea_popescu: god-kings exist exactly in the same sense "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor.
bounce: the rich are simply too busy slinging subtle and oh-so-refined insults at each other
mircea_popescu: lol
bounce: ancient nobility, of course. nouveau riche and such are party poopers because the insults go over their heads.
mircea_popescu: all that matters is perspective!!11 and also, it's only funny until someone loses an eye.
Vexual: insults go right rthough me
mircea_popescu: ;;google "you are ugly, and your mother dresses you funny"
gribble: Hank Moody (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0031933/quotes>; "Californication" Hell-A Woman (TV Episode 2007) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039933/quotes>; Hank Moody - Mirror Monologue - Smile Douche! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpiWYrW5tw>
Vexual: the ones that go over my head i dont hear
mircea_popescu: meh, they stole it. this was the best insult in an ancient game
mircea_popescu: you played one of six nobles in medieval england
Vexual: six?
Vexual: what is this majong?
mircea_popescu: undata: oh better yet, those who have yet to receive freedom bombs are the "unliberated" << this is already a thing.
Vexual: yep
ben_vulpes: i only find it funny once people start *losing* eyes.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xinxi you submit it to cazalla who is the editor in chief.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "then it's hysterical"
Vexual: ben_vulpes: may i recommend a wine?
asciilifeform: "fuck you rich" exists : in the imagination of the poor << lol, in what way does this not physically exist ?
mircea_popescu: am i to satisfy a negative ?
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich is like "youthful healthy". only the sickly and elderly know about it.
asciilifeform: not as such, but at least suggest how the apparent unicorns are simply goats with horn glued on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance by pointing out to the street whore that IS in fact fuck you rich ?
mircea_popescu: lemme find her.
asciilifeform can easily picture a street whore who is arbitrarily rich
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/viata-pe-drumuri/ < there.
ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/JgYKinT.mp4
mircea_popescu: "What do you get when you cross a whore with a systems engineer? A fuckin know-it-all!"
ben_vulpes: hah
Vexual: ben vuples the java king
asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp what he's seeing
Vexual: its a chihuahua
asciilifeform: no, mircea_popescu's link
mircea_popescu: street whore doing her morning shower.
asciilifeform: i.e. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/lifeinthestreets3.wmv
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: fuck you rich. right ?
asciilifeform: how?
asciilifeform: the expression (afaik, american) traditionally means - one who is rich enough to never work again, if so wishes
mircea_popescu: well you're asking me ? your term! define it!
mircea_popescu: well she doesn't seem to be working, does she.
asciilifeform: and, usually presumes, live like a man (not rat)
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: and that isn't a matter of perspective ?
asciilifeform: well yes. phrase is uttered by humans, who of course have perspective - 'tall' means something else to a dwarf than to an architect
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8XilZa2WY << kid does not want to live like a rat.
assbot: 16 year old birthday surprise gone wrong. - YouTube
Vexual: you know about the asthmatic lesbian?
Vexual: she caught her breath in statches
bounce: apparently "lords of the realm", perhaps II
mircea_popescu: bounce yes!
asciilifeform: ^ wtf
mircea_popescu: Vexual what do you call a promiscuous pony ?
asciilifeform: (re film)
Vexual: idk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well ? kid does not want to live like a rat., what now ?
mircea_popescu: Vexual a little whorse.
bounce: starship titanic had "purveyor of shoddy goods!" -- pretty damning in context
asciilifeform: rats own trucks?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do rats own computers ?
asciilifeform: not usually
asciilifeform: though i've had my doubts
mircea_popescu: neither does my fuck you rich bitch., what now ?
asciilifeform: rat, however, often owns a rathole
asciilifeform: does the woman?
asciilifeform: 'rat' may even be an upgrade for her
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bdeizHM9OU no monero
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rat owns a rathole in the same sense she owns some sidewalk.
mircea_popescu: possession being nine tenths of the law and all that.
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money,' if i recall, has the following etymology. the idea that if you came into $fuckyou, you could utter 'fuck you' to the boss at the plant tomorrow, and continue to live at least as well (consumption) as presently, indefinitely
mircea_popescu: so she has it ?
asciilifeform: and most of the speakers are not street bums, and so aren't sitting on a floor one cannot fall through
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point isn';t it.
asciilifeform: well it has a meaning - most folks aren't bums, and possibly don't even inhabit a mental space where bums exist (other than in the vaguely 'doomy' sense that death exists for them)
asciilifeform: to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case'
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agRzpnS_FGw the doom generation
asciilifeform: 'fuck you money' is a very real item for which folks have a very real longing - because in fact, it is simply the desire to be released from workschwitz and arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: people with even an elementary brain do understand that perhaps one in a thousand can be a rentier
bounce: that is the assumption anyway
Vexual: ascii trolls now?
Vexual: of coursem its late, or early
kakobrekla: its fuck you money only until its not.
Vexual: not everyone with a brain seeks residual income
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is still awake?
asciilifeform: its fuck you money only until its not << yes, generally how fiat works
asciilifeform: but one could redefine 'fuck you' with an engineering margin
asciilifeform: such that, e.g., you can lose 90% of the principal and remain fuckyou-enabled
kakobrekla: you basically need 10 fuckoffs.
chetty: I always thought it had more to do with being willing to live without whatever to the extent you would say $fuckyou to the boss, doesn't have to be money
Vexual: 100 bux is prolly fuck you money if youve got skills
thestringpuller: http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/22/technology/mobile/apple-pay-double-charge/index.html
asciilifeform: if you like to live in forest and eat tree bark - $0 can be
kakobrekla: yeah if shoe dont fit, cut foot :)
Vexual: deep
chetty: kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe ..
kakobrekla: cant argue with that
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTxqHbJOzg
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBIRHi5-o8
ben_vulpes: dig this: my favorite mechanical pencil, the the PaperMate Logo II, is now basically unavailable.
Vexual: i know right
Vexual: drafters frriend
ben_vulpes: either buy in lot of 12 for 240 odd bucks, or get stuffed.
Vexual: depends how many girldfriends u got
jurov: $proxies
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.biz mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (124 milliseconds), mpex.co (134 milliseconds), mpex.biz (146 milliseconds), mpex.bz (237 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (644 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
Vexual: i've still got one in my leg
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8
mircea_popescu: so i submit the following bitbet problem to the group : http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closed 2 days 18 hours ago
mircea_popescu: the bet says "to play". the guy... signed a contract. to play. next year.
mircea_popescu: so does this mean he IS playing or merely that he will be ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to abuse mathematical parlance, bumhood is a 'degenerate case' << but inasmuch as your argument rests on the "mental space" of the user, then therefore my observation IS satisfied, and indeed it's not a thing, but merely a figment of imagination.
mircea_popescu: note that the reality of the longing for the idol is not in question, nor does it rub off on the idol to make IT real.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> its fuck you money only until its not. << fuck you meat!11
mircea_popescu: <chetty> kakobrekla, matter of how much you like the foot? or the shoe .. <<< she has a point, i've seen women cut foot for prada heels.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prisoners may have different reasons to want out of the jail, but that does not make freedom a 'figment of imagination' - there is actually a world outside of the jail.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My gut says it resolves at yes if he actually... starts playing
mircea_popescu: but that there's a world does not actually give the prisoner's notion of "freedom" any legs.
mircea_popescu: i mean, there's land where "the indies" were supposed to be, too. that doesn't mean columbus found india.
Vexual: he had a crack
mircea_popescu: Vexual speaking of which, who is the more eco-friendly ? the drug dealer or the whore ?
Vexual: i think we should get katy pery in here
Vexual: i guess the whore
Vexual: she only east and poops
asciilifeform: unlike columbus/indies, just about all people have experienced freedom (in the sense of not having to work) - as children
Vexual: *eats
mircea_popescu: Vexual the whore. because she reuses her crack.
Vexual: the drug dealer charters planes and shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform childhood may be a poor experience of anything. freedom included.
Vexual: oh a joke
kakobrekla: ;;later tell punkman ping
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu You may want to consult someone who actually follows soccer though. I'll look into the stuff later, but I think actually playing in that league this year would have been possible
asciilifeform: poor experience of anything << ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im just opening it for ip input.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you wouldn't go through life with your living decided by a five year old's understanding of what's going on, neh ?
Vexual: when does london close?
asciilifeform: i understood that arbeit macht frei sucks as a five year old, just as well as now.
mircea_popescu: just as well, maybe. the same way, i think not.
mircea_popescu: i thought eucalyptus sucked, as a five year old. and alcohol. and so on.
wywialm: Vexual, in 1.5h
Vexual: no that's a juroc joje
Vexual: *jurov joke
wywialm: i'm unfamiliar with that one
Vexual: yes
mircea_popescu: wywialm how goes ?
wywialm: mircea_popescu, good question. As you have not heard much from me, you can deduce that the repo otc business did not do well
mircea_popescu: well to be perfectly fair, i had pre-deduced that last we met.
wywialm: yes, i remember that
mircea_popescu: btw, you writing a piece for the qntra ?
wywialm: i will definitely consider that as soon as i will have anything valuable to say
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan.
wywialm: speaking of a plan, does anything happen on the options market in BTC? in particular, does the (possibly otc) option market happen?
mircea_popescu: more or less.
mircea_popescu: it's not terribly open to the general public.
wywialm: i guess i'm the member of general public then...
wywialm: is there a way to change that status?
mircea_popescu: well, basically, if you have a lot of volume you advertise it and you'll find someone. if you don't... well... you don't.
wywialm: ah, the standard way
punkman: wywialm: you could use bitbet for some action
punkman: or that thing xinxi made
jurov: btcnut
jurov: or such
wywialm: isn't it only for binary trades? that appplies to bitbet as well
punkman: buttnut
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 362.61, Best ask: 364.63, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 364.66, 24 hour volume: 17852.87309723, 24 hour low: 358.0, 24 hour high: 386.32, 24 hour vwap: 370.329378879
wywialm: besides, it's financially settled which depends on the reliability of the exchanges
mircea_popescu: wywialm i supposew you could use the x.eur future ad interim
mircea_popescu: you can make an option out of a future and an underlying.
wywialm: option out of a future and underlying? could you explain futher?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins`: if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: not sure if that will work cause ':'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` if you have a trimmed bitcoind, kindly post somewhere where i can find it, i'd like to test run.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla ty
xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqC5Nvjybqc
assbot: Die Antwoord - Enter The Ninja (Acoustic Cover) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis you understand synthetic positions ?
punkman: I left namecheap search open in a tab and it crashed my browser, because javascript is awesome
wywialm: mircea_popescu, quite well, but i don't see how can i use two linear instruments to obtain nonlinear payoff
mircea_popescu: well, you'll likely have to throw a bond in there somewhere.
wywialm: apart from dynamic hedging, where i could use only one
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a "sort-of" type of thing, obviously.
kakobrekla: heh JS, i recall some sites killing a core2 quad machine
wywialm: mircea_popescu did you mean any static replication?
mircea_popescu: wywialm basically.
mircea_popescu: not sure you can actually get it to be static
mircea_popescu: really, it's a field that can take a lot more work, bitcoin financial synthesis.
wywialm: i could "sort-of-replicate" option payoff trading on a spot market, each day buying/selling according to the delta (the difference being transaction costs and interest rate and noncontinuity)
wywialm: but thats not static
wywialm: do i miss anything?
wywialm: (of course i should have a decent model to obtain reliable deltas)
wywialm: mircea_popescu - but that's not static. do i miss anything?
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be exactly static, no.
wywialm: what is the exact multiplier of x.eur?
mircea_popescu: 1
wywialm: btw, do you know of any trade on btc realized volatility or realized variance?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall anything being publicly announced.
jurov: FabianB_: mpex.coinbr.com fixed
wywialm: mircea_popescu, did you consider calculating a stock index for MPEx?
mircea_popescu: on and off, yeah.
mircea_popescu: maybe moving the oix from the now gone options to stocks.
wywialm: what types of indices did you consider?
wywialm: the warsaw stock exchange begun with 5 stocks listed as well, and calculated the WIG
mircea_popescu: yeah, i know. anyway, nothing public about all that yet.
wywialm: if you were interested in my thoughts on it, i could throw my 2 cents
mircea_popescu: ty :)
undata: that vid of the 16 year old brat attacking his new truck has me in stitches
undata: coward wouldn't even go for a window, not that he could break one the way he was swinging
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: it's really an excellent piece, that.
asciilifeform: that thing made me have emotions.
undata: wouldn't break a window; would swing for his dad. fascinating.
asciilifeform: specifically, wanting to see the idiot executed a la the 'bear jew' scene in 'inglorious bastards'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
asciilifeform: i.e. with baseball club.
asciilifeform: ruining a perfectly good truck
mircea_popescu: undata for his dad ?! are you kidding ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt the truck's all that good, looked like a guzzler.
asciilifeform: still.
bounce: http://www.mil-oss.org/
assbot: Home - Mil-OSS
undata: mircea_popescu: his dad backed off after one fake swing at him
undata: or whoever the fat fuck standing by was
mircea_popescu: that was his mom.
mircea_popescu: dad is skinny old guy with goatee
undata: haaa
undata: the guy in a black shirt going "you better not"
mircea_popescu: older bro ?
undata: probably 25, still living at home driving the mchummer
mircea_popescu: well, yes, but he got into whatever grad programme.
mircea_popescu: which 16 yo kids can't do, because highschool.
asciilifeform confesses he didn't have the audio plugged in
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with all those kids living at that particular home, with their wives, girlfriends and offspring. it looks just about big enough.
asciilifeform: was it notable?
mircea_popescu: plenty wrong with them being this dumb tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends if you like male teenager whining or not.
asciilifeform does not
bounce: isn't that like a requirement for teenagers? whine, at least 50% of the time.
jurov: youtube comments say fake
undata: mircea_popescu: my folks live here -> http://www.thewoodlands.com/
assbot: The Woodlands - Texas' most celebrated master-planned community
undata: that family above could easily be residents
mircea_popescu: bounce it's god's cruel joke. jews take it even further with all the torah singing.
bounce: to get back at the almighty or something?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, seems to humiliate the kids.
jurov: doomiiinuuus vooobiiiscuuum
mircea_popescu: jurov no they have this thing where they make 13yos sing in front of the whole congregation.
mircea_popescu: all serious and shit.
undata: these are precisely the americans I hope starve first when their bank accounts no longer work
mircea_popescu: undata why ?
undata: because they're conditioned to be utterly insecure about whatever they lack, at no matter what level of wealth
jurov: i'd rather listen to 13yos than old farts
asciilifeform: they'll starve last.
undata: they gorge themselves on cheap "wealth" instead of generating actual wealth for the 'society' they're a part of
mircea_popescu: jurov that may be a matter of taste :)
bounce: cheap knockoff society
mircea_popescu: undata what bizarro social justice stuff is this lol.
undata: mircea_popescu: it's hardly that.
bounce: consumerist socialism?
mircea_popescu: i'll take your word for it, but it kinda sounds it.
undata: the american idea that the highest good is "eat as much as possible" whether the thing eaten is food, cars, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00074011 = 10.8426 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: how do you figure the people in the vid fit that theory ? they don't seem overweight.
asciilifeform: tell american about that he should generate wealth, and as likely as not, he'll fear being sent to uranium mines
asciilifeform: i'd fear the mines if someone decreed that i must now generate wealth
undata: asciilifeform: expressing a value is distinct from insisting it be imposed.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure i personally have ever held a day job which was a 'net gain for the motherland'
mircea_popescu: undata ok, but it's not very well expressed. what is the value ?
undata: mircea_popescu: why live if you're a cheap copy of the "rich" guy next to you. Life is about projects, not piling up Hummers. Wealth fuels projects.
asciilifeform: Wealth fuels projects <<<<<
asciilifeform: this. is precisely what i meant by 'i refuse to live as a rat'
mircea_popescu: i'm confused.
asciilifeform: if i can't afford projects, it isn't life.
mircea_popescu: but you can project anything.
The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't say every american is driven by greed
punkman: well maybe I'd rather live around the guy that minds his own business, his business being his farm, rather than around guy that has neverending stream of "projects"
undata: I am also confused.
The20YearIRCloud: I know plenty that live self-less lives
undata: mircea_popescu: you seem to have many projects.
mircea_popescu: punkman i can see it.
asciilifeform: the particular species of projects i engage in. not sand castles out of cow shit in bangladesh.
asciilifeform: (though those may also be 'projects')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... how about "reengineer all of it"
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: all of IT*
asciilifeform: aha
undata: asciilifeform: how about "Life is about projects, and wealth should only be interesting inasmuch as it supports those endeavors."
asciilifeform fails to apprehend, with puny brain, how this can be done on rat budget
mircea_popescu: i mean, if your bar is that, then you'll never be happy. takes a lot of dough, that project.
mircea_popescu: undata how about "you don't get to say what should be interesting to other people" ?
undata: mircea_popescu: everyone says that to everyone with every sentence.
mircea_popescu: that's what triggered the "wtf sjw is this"
mircea_popescu: i dun agree.
asciilifeform: even the comparatively smaller undertaking i'm presently engaged in - still doesn't come cheap. (i speak of the tooling which i have not charged to the piggy, but also of the fact that i cannot convert btc to usd even for those portions where expenses invoiced. as previously recounted here.)
punkman: asciilifeform: assuming you asked them, how much did olimex quote for cardano assembly?
asciilifeform: asked 'golden phoenix'
undata: mircea_popescu: I would never force anyone to live a certain way (provided it didn't encroach on my own) but I think it's essential to discuss ways to improve the art of living.
asciilifeform: was obscene price tag, for given qty, and they wanted auto-kitting
mircea_popescu: undata well sure, but the problem with this is diogenes. you know the bath tub story ?
undata: I do not
mircea_popescu: but you know who he was ?
undata: greek cynic
undata: reading the story now
mircea_popescu: yeah, guy famously got caught jacking off in the forum (roughly equivalent to putting pron tumblr pix in the serious #b-a chan) and when confronted said that his only regret is that hunger doesn't also abate by rubbing the stomach.
The20YearIRCloud: ascii is this a business where btc was invested for tooling?
mircea_popescu: anyway, at some point the city was being attacked by the enemy, and so every citizen was running up and down trying to make themselves useful. to the "society", by which of course you mean polis.
The20YearIRCloud: Oh a good note about RentalStarter, our banking partner has really stepped up in terms of lending to us
mircea_popescu: and diogenes being woken up by all the ruckus, started pushing the tub he inhabited up and down and all around.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: to a very limited extent. (mircea_popescu insisted that i bill for the construction of the three-axis robotic platform for prototype assembly.)
mircea_popescu: helping too, you see.
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: all pertinent info is to be found on his site, do read the monthly proclamations if interested in the subject
The20YearIRCloud: TBH i can't remember what project you're involved in
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: s.nsa. first project is a small electronic device, 'cardano.'
undata: mircea_popescu: how does that describe what I've said, in your view?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: co-authored with mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "discussing the art of living" is diogenes. as in, discussion requires common ground. which isn't a given.
undata: mircea_popescu: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise?
mircea_popescu: ask asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: "best" is a complex concept.
bounce: then I'll take bestest
asciilifeform: lol i was beginning to think that diogenes was mentioned precisely because my 'best' is as odd as his was.
mircea_popescu: but on anecdotic evidence, whether people believe that or don't is more of an indicator of whether the polis is on the upswing or downswing than anything personal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except his is the exact opposite of odd. his best is even.
asciilifeform: ahaha
mircea_popescu: anyway, you;ll appreciate i didn't bring him up in the definition of "fuck you rich"
asciilifeform: doesn't everyone presume his way of living best, or he'd do otherwise << 'you go to war with the enemy you have, not the enemy you wish you had'
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: the point is still there, tho. fuck you rich is about fuck you, not about rich.
bounce: implying people wish to be fucked over?
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: thats why they dont live in the barrels
kakobrekla: for the most part
mircea_popescu: meyer lanski famously told some older street thoughs, as a 12 yo, "you get nuttin' for nuttin'". that's all it is. at 12 he's as rich as me telling the sec how to behave.
asciilifeform: ^ yes. just as freedom may or may not be about a hacksaw, depending on whether one is in prison, and of what material the prison is made (a pair of clippers may suffice for a savage rope cage, etc.)
asciilifeform: (re: 'about fuckyou not the rich')
undata: one minute god-kings; the next liberty
undata: haha
kakobrekla: people slave for not to slave
mircea_popescu: best slavery there is.
undata processes on that last bit for a moment
kakobrekla: anyway, the recipe is to say fuck you, go in the barrel and then if you like climb out of it while keeping the finger raised
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the problem wih that approach is that it's literally indistinguishable from the tack of the 16yo kid in the video.
asciilifeform: here's a random example of what it costs to effectively think about problems in the physical sciences, without a Crown license.
undata: obviously someone thought it worth writing about the barrel or you wouldn't be saying so.
undata: *everything* is stated with the implicit underlying statement that the worldview in which the statement was made is true.
mircea_popescu: selfless sacrifice on the altar of satisfying the societal expectation.
asciilifeform: i have to pay several 100 usd / yrs. to access library.
asciilifeform: (the university kind, that idiot college fauna get into for free)
mircea_popescu: undata a worldview can not be true.
undata: another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu since when do appearances matter?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean it never is, i mean the noun is outside the domain of availability of the adjective. like a circle can't be heavy, 2d figures have no weight)
bounce: "free" as in part of the crushing tuitition debt package deal
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: rolled into that particular chumpatronic prize.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well that's the thing, they don';t.
kakobrekla: so is all good.
asciilifeform: or into benefit package of being a loyal servant of Crown 'scientocracy' (professional academics)
mircea_popescu: <undata> another attempt: all statements are implicitly advocacy. << only for the utilitarian/methodist/usretardian school of thought.
asciilifeform: if you're a civilian - you pay.
asciilifeform: and pay.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise this is what the existentialists used to call "petit burgeois"
bounce: a reasonable solution for "publish or perish" would be useful
mircea_popescu: bounce "no tax money spent on education" is a solution.
mircea_popescu: be rich or stfu and work, science is not for "the people".
asciilifeform: bounce: they used to at least let people into the libraries without membership (though could not check out books, or read - the now all - electronic - journals.) but the bums began to nest there.
bounce: bit of a cop out. can't we do better?
mircea_popescu: who's "we" ?
mircea_popescu: but no, we can't do better, because otherwise the fucking bums start nesting there.
asciilifeform: 'once there was The People, terror gave it birth... once there was The People, and it made a Hell of Earth...' (kipling?)
mircea_popescu: like, the sort of people churning out "science" about stuff.
asciilifeform: (:re we)
asciilifeform: i give the library tidbit as an example of what, in my mind, 'not living as rat' involves
undata: if only there were some way to cheaply stockpile and grant access to documents.
asciilifeform: for a human vegetable, who only needs to afford a hovel to eat, shit, and fuck in, and a tv screen - different cost.
bounce: thing is, I do want to filter the pool for the talent regardless of parental wealth
mircea_popescu: what is talent ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that cost may be more than a few hundies a year.
asciilifeform: that's library alone
The20YearIRCloud: asciilifeform: is it that way around the world? I know it is here - bums everywhere at the library
asciilifeform: (the figure above)
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud amusingly, bums here mostly sleep in banks.
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect where bums sleep is indicative of societal notions
kakobrekla: guard the safes yo
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: library is heated in the winter, cool in the summer, no one hassles the poor bomzh to buy anything
asciilifeform: and quiet, very few people per square metre.
asciilifeform: usually, entire floors empty.
asciilifeform: so perfect.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many social studies chicks fuck bums because they're bums.
mircea_popescu: 1 a year ? 100 ? 10000 ?
asciilifeform: freshly-minted bums (or well-kept hobos) likely.
undata: mircea_popescu: again, anyone speaking about anything intends for the listener to be influenced by the content.
asciilifeform: the kind that walked in the same suit for a decade - less plausible
undata: I can't see how it could be any other way.
mircea_popescu: well so you can't see.
mircea_popescu: ;;google gratuitous act
gribble: gratuitous - definition of gratuitous by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous>; gratuitous legal definition of gratuitous: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/gratuitous>; www.andregide.org | Caves of the Vatican | Lafcadio's Adventures ...: <http://www.andregide.org/studies/vatfow.html>
mircea_popescu: lmao check that shit out, doesn't even exist in english.
mircea_popescu: ;;google acte gratuit
gribble: acte gratuit - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acte_gratuit>; L'ACTE GRATUIT: <http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/>; Older posts - L'ACTE GRATUIT: <http://actegratuit.tumblr.com/page/2>
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: are banks over there open 24/7, or access to parts?
The20YearIRCloud: Around here they're on lockdown outside of normal business hours
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the atm parts.
undata: mircea_popescu: I think in english "gratuitous" means something far off from what you're aiming at.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english, usually 'crime of passion' ?
The20YearIRCloud: Your ATMs aren't outside?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude, not at all.
undata: "uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted."
mircea_popescu: "Un acte gratuit est le fait d'agir en dehors de toute raison, motivation ou incitation."
undata: and.. ain't that some shit.
mircea_popescu: "the fact of acting outside any reason or motivation"
undata: how could it be possible to act without motivation?
kakobrekla: also says it means 'free shit'
undata: it came from god, not me?
asciilifeform: banks 24/7 << story. where i live, you can walk into the vestibule of a bank (where the atm often lives, on 'bad streets') using a magnetic card. implication is that it must be the bank's - but this is false.
mircea_popescu: undata listen, go read le diable et le bon dieu, sartre.
asciilifeform: any card will do!
undata: mircea_popescu: k
asciilifeform: and often, sc4mz0rz patch into the reader, and plant bug there
asciilifeform: recording cc # day and night.
undata wonders if the translation will butcher it
mircea_popescu: aww that sucks.
asciilifeform: (for those wondering why it is so easy to sc4mz0r american magnetic cards, read log.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499334 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:00:26; asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
asciilifeform: etc
kakobrekla: implication is that it must be the bank's < we also have such setups with but no such implication as atms are compatible over all banks
punkman: asciilifeform: seen same card activated doors in many places around eu
mircea_popescu: yeah no such implication.
asciilifeform: at any rate, just about any magnetic card with the right number of tracks (was it 3?) will open the gate.
FabianB: jurov: looks good now :)
nubbins`: asciilifeform will likely take a couple days
punkman: also bums love to sleep next to ATMs, and they all have some kind of card that will open the door
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what was your starting point again?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i just want to test build chain
nubbins`: plan was to take stock 0.5.3, remove src/qt/* and attempt to build
nubbins`: and use that as a starting point
nubbins`: so you could use stock 0.5.3 to test
asciilifeform: what was the turd in 0.6 that made us stop short of it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole thing was a debate over whether it should be earliest or latest that still works. apparently earliest won
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform rereads log
mircea_popescu votes yesterday as "most likely to be reread"
mircea_popescu: it'
nubbins`: ah, nothing in particular, i don't think. merging bugfixes etc from 0.6 would be next i guess
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: it's like "the hangover" in there.
asciilifeform: who has a known vintage tarball of 0.5.3 ?
asciilifeform: (as in, personally leeched as long ago as possible, and sat since)
asciilifeform: kindly post hash.
asciilifeform: best heroes - post signed hash.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: not i
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: mm ?
asciilifeform: vintage tarball ^
mircea_popescu: oh. i'll have to go through archives. be a while.
jurov: i arrived in 2012 and lost a hdd since :/
nubbins`: march 14 2012
jurov: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Obsolete/ huh what a scary message
assbot: Bitcoin - Browse /Obsolete at SourceForge.net
kakobrekla wont run bitcoind without the 'coin control' patch
mircea_popescu: jurov not to mention it's also untrue.
mircea_popescu: but hey, what's a little lying hurt anymore.
asciilifeform: 'obsolete' !?
asciilifeform: aha like 'truecrypt'.
jurov: 15033115709f0eb55674ebf5e79208bfb05a5745 bitcoin-0.5.3-linux.tar.gz << sha1 of the turd form there
asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: 'A visitor received this implanted, false message today, promoting the market of certificates of authority and encryption. HTTPS fetishists are trying to coerce us into using the crappy security gambit. Ignore HTTPS monotheists. Online security promises are hokum. This is admitted on sec discussion fora. Pushers of HTTPS, Tor, crypto, secure drops are David Blaines.' (cryptome.)
asciilifeform: ^ http://cryptome.org/https-ignore.jpg
mircea_popescu: aww, no "as mp said" ? sucks.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << sorry no clean version of this
asciilifeform: guide to bitcoin mitm for n00bz
asciilifeform: if anyone wants to post checksums for vintage dependencies from build-unix.txt, appreciated.
midnightmagic: coin control is unnecessary now, create/decode/sign raw transaction exists plus listunspent and listaddressgroupings
asciilifeform: hard disk is unnecessary, magnetized needles exist.
kakobrekla: exists < yeah in which version ?
midnightmagic: pretty easy to use them. I have a very tiny perl script that does the same thing..
kakobrekla: which version?
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, you can just make your own tx and forget the stock selection code
midnightmagic: mm.. dunno when they were introduced. it's been a while.
asciilifeform: make your own tx, with soviet calculator.
asciilifeform: people seem to forget why we even bought computers.
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean by hand yo
midnightmagic: I just don't trust the coin control nor tx selection to pull the most-private from the unspent list is all. It is a bit more work to make decisions about it though
kakobrekla: making your own tx is best way to go
kakobrekla: cc makes it easy
midnightmagic: not for privacy imo. but I guess it does make tx creation easy.
kakobrekla: well you control the privacy
kakobrekla: stock selection code < as shitty as it gets.
mircea_popescu: don't knock it, it's what they use to make hambuger meat.
asciilifeform forgot what a sack of shit classic bitcoind is, in terms of build deps
mircea_popescu: never 4get.
mats_cd03: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/bitcoin-tor-nope.pdf << heh heh. i once ran an exit node off AWS for a week, scooped 0.2 btc from a shmuck
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: the best idiots are the tor-miners.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: how one would even arrive at the idea of miner connected through tor?
mats_cd03: decentralize!
mats_cd03: anonymous!
asciilifeform: not a single mainstream mineatron, afaik, does anything useful against even a very pedestrian ssl mitm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as much as a new news site brings about ddos.
mircea_popescu: these are real problems derps are trying to solve.
asciilifeform: which problems?
mircea_popescu: not that safe to be a miner out there.
asciilifeform: ahaha
asciilifeform: sufficiently large miner can, presumably, afford $maxint worth of proxies or even fallback isp.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but tor miner is not sufficientl large.
asciilifeform: if the only enemy is ddos
mircea_popescu: you dunno what the enemy is until mats_cd03 steals your .2 btc
asciilifeform: at one point, chumpnet miners often went through tor
mats_cd03: ill be rich someday
mats_cd03: i will use that .2 btc to buy a ranch and a new stereo
asciilifeform: undeserved prize tastes ten times as good.
asciilifeform: or how did it go.
mats_cd03: i thought it was a peach?
bounce: millions of peaches/ peaches for free/
mats_cd03: anyway, on the subject of fruit
mats_cd03: i have discovered honey crisp apples
mats_cd03: and they are godly
bounce: so, better than oranges?
asciilifeform: miners << is there any actual reason why an arbitrarily large miner should not choose to appear as a large number of arbitrarily small ones, from the network standpoint ?
mats_cd03: better than the red delicious
mats_cd03: which is in fact not delicious, only red
asciilifeform: why is it even still possible to identify 'large miners' as existing.
mats_cd03: bad software?
nubbins`: wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly
nubbins`: mostly because of all this brew/macports gibberish
asciilifeform: nubbins` confronted with fact of having bought a fake unix box?
nubbins`: it's more unix than windows, at least ;p
asciilifeform: that's literally the only thing going for it.
asciilifeform: microshit-free.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller here's one for you : what concert costs 45 cents ?
asciilifeform: ^ the busy signal in a u.s. pay phone (if you can still find one!) -- costs 0.50, and you'll find a 'nickel' in the coin return tray.
asciilifeform: 45 cents for concert.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> microshit-free. < id rather be apple free than ms free given only those 2 options. call me retarded or whatever dun care.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: kakobrekla will voluntarily use winblows?
kakobrekla: no
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, it's 50cent feat nickleback
mircea_popescu: but anyway!
kakobrekla: asciilifeform >given only those 2 options
mircea_popescu: !up IHB_
mircea_popescu: i wonder what a windows tablet would be like.
asciilifeform: two closed turds, and you'll use the one with no shell, no posix, no modern build system?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: windows tablet existed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can perhaps guess what they were like, by the fact of having to ask the question
mircea_popescu: i never saw one
kakobrekla: just cant swallow apple. sry no can do.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you can almost pretend it's a 'sun' or other weird ancient unixlike
asciilifeform: esp. if you behead it and use a terminal.
joecool: just took delivery of a mbp and am attempting to resize it's cancer of an os to put anything on
joecool: yeah would do windows before this
kakobrekla: whats next, use phone and pretend its computer ?
joecool: chinese killed the thinkpad though
bounce: boo. hiss.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you format the ipad, run debian on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: debian - no idea. netbsd - almost certain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ask enthusiasts if there's any i/o support for it
mircea_popescu: touch drivers and errything ?
mircea_popescu: uhm, it has wireless neh ?
asciilifeform: well depends what you need it for
asciilifeform: if for perverse file server in a closet - yes, can do right now.
asciilifeform: if as a 'touch' gizmo - check first.
asciilifeform: also easier to do this with non-apple gizmos, where there is not an elaborate boobytrap chipset in there, to try to keep you from 'jailbreaking'
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: so it's not basically a laptop board with a soldered over bios chip ?
asciilifeform: 'arm'-compatible.
asciilifeform: a few vendors (samsung, and others) make the reverse of this - 'arm' laptop.
mircea_popescu: aha
joecool: all sorts of weird "features" in OSX like, "stuck" processes
nubbins`: force quit kicks ass over whatever the fuck you do in windows again
bounce: stuck different from stuck processes on other unix?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hadn't they implemented kill ?
joecool: it's different than zombie process in other nix
nubbins`: windows? who knows
joecool: can't do anything with it
mircea_popescu: ;;google kill process windows
gribble: XP: kill a Windows process from the command line with taskkill | a ...: <http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/446/xp_kill_windows_process_command_line_taskkill/>; Really killing a process in Windows - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/49988/really-killing-a-process-in-windows>; Taskkill - TechNet - Microsoft: <http://technet.microsoft.com/en- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: yeah they have
nubbins`: looky loo
nubbins`: !uq ninjashogun
nubbins`: shit, my p is backwards
nubbins`: ??? :/
mircea_popescu: !ub ninjashogun ?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: !ud ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you broke it.
nubbins`: not cool man
mircea_popescu: !gown nubbins`
nubbins`: how are we supposed to ub people
nubbins`: !pown mircea_popescu
nubbins`: ;;ficker
gribble: Error: "ficker" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: unƃoɥsɐɾuıu dn¡
nubbins`: what is going on D:
mircea_popescu: so it turns out atheism is a non-prophet organisation.
nubbins`: http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
assbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot
mircea_popescu: !up ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: shit man, you were doing it right! it's p
nubbins`: fuuuuuu
nubbins`: too late, man
nubbins`: :(
nubbins`: ʍou ƃuᴉʞɹoʍ s,ʇᴉ ǝqʎɐɯ
IHB_: thanks for the mircea. last time i was in here was when i living in bangalore. you just published your response to the SEC and it was great.
IHB_: *voice
nubbins`: w̢̤͖͓̹e̠ļ̯̟c̀o̥m̱͉̻̲̜e̛̳͚,̵͙̩̭̻̲̙͍ ͍͖̘͓̫̤̝n̮͙i̘̟̝n̳͔̺͚͡ͅj҉͖a̷̜͖s̢͚̭̪̭̝̪̣ḥ̞o̭̭̺̣g̛̳͖̟͚͚ụ͎͙ṉ̣̜͎̮
mircea_popescu: so where do you live now ?
nubbins`: wow
kakobrekla: nubbins` get a 'real' computer.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` did you do all that on an osx ?
nubbins`: :D
nubbins`: kakobrekla what, a dell?
asciilifeform: a Multivac.
kakobrekla: a vegetable. instead of fruit.
mircea_popescu: multivac'd have been a great vacuum cleanner brand
asciilifeform: 'nothing sucks like multivacs' ?
asciilifeform: ;;google nothing sucks like electrolux
gribble: Electrolux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolux>; Brand blunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_blunder>; VAX - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html>
mircea_popescu: "if you stuff one vac, it's got more!"
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-do-you-call/
assbot: What do you call… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: lmao these logs... nubbins` using cohen as an argument ?!
mthreat: What do you get when you cross a potato with a dildo?
mthreat: a dictator
mircea_popescu: lol
undata: mircea_popescu: the puns! THE PUNS!
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> wow, building bitcoin on osx is actually a bit tangly << i for one gave up
undata: <3
mircea_popescu: my puny attempt!
mircea_popescu: undata we had limmerick day a few months ago too.
undata: I will have to read those logs.
ben_vulpes: oh god those jokes
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/new-paper-bitcoin-over-tor-a-bad-idea-especially-bad-for-spv/
assbot: New Paper: Bitcoin over Tor a Bad Idea, Especially bad for SPV | Qntra.net
ben_vulpes: just what i need while watching this ftp dump scroll by
mircea_popescu: xinxi: one of them used to say: I would like to cry in a bmw instead of lauching on a bike. <<< that's a whole new dimension to the entire "fuck you rich" discussion.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's different by gender :D
BingoBoingo: Eh, bike's more likely to get stolen
BingoBoingo: !up IHB_
BingoBoingo: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/151 << RE: USB turd
assbot: LKML: Greg KH: Re: [PATCH] usb: serial: Perform verification for FTDI FT232R devices
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
BingoBoingo: Hello MosesEX
MosesEX: BingoBoingo, whats up BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Oh not too much
MosesEX: any christians in here?
MosesEX: or jews or muslims?
kakobrekla: those were already stoned to death
MosesEX: homosexuals should be put to death
mircea_popescu: yeah we only got sluts and drunks left.
MosesEX: but obama supports homosexuals
kakobrekla: !down MosesEX
mircea_popescu: ;;ud obama
BingoBoingo: ;;ud obola
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obama | An acronym standing for. One Big Ass Mistake, America! Q: What was the result of the 2008 election? A: OBAMA. by ferrgus February 23, 2009. 22182 13448.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obola | Oct 13, 2014 ... Obola. (noun) the result of a completely incompetent democratic administration that cares more about open borders with no enforcement of ...
mircea_popescu: i guess it's mitt romney's showbiz name.
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
MosesEX: YA
BingoBoingo: !down MosesEX
MosesEX: YAY
dignork: BingoBoingo: RE: USB turd - it was pbbly a joke, Russ Dill works for Texas Instruments
BingoBoingo: Ah, makes sense nao
kakobrekla: anyone want these atc i have ? maybe mpif takes em?
kakobrekla: bb?
BingoBoingo: WHy not? 1BuJThNvr31EwnLGiaAdQbYHCkBdJvgTQJ
kakobrekla: sent
jurov: http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/proof-of-reserves-born-out-of-tragedy-will-slowly-become-the-global-gold-standard-for-financial-auditing/
assbot: “Proof of reserves,” born out of tragedy, will slowly become the global gold standard for financial auditing. « Real Virtual Currency
jurov: herp derp
jurov: !up punkman1
asciilifeform: https://marcan.st/transf/ftdi_evil.png ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ looks quite like 'ida' output, so symbol names presumably inferred by reverser
BingoBoingo: http://mobilesecurityares.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/why-samsung-knox-isnt-really-fort-knox.html << NSA Phone
assbot: Mobile Security Blog: Why Samsung Knox isn't really a Fort Knox
asciilifeform: there's what, 17 of them now?
asciilifeform: 'all but the laziest man' are now making 'avoid 3v1l surv31l4nc3111!' turdicles.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this is the one NSA approves of for gubmint work
asciilifeform: which work.
asciilifeform: afaik the only 'top seekreet'-approved Pnohe is 'blackberry sektera' (sp?)
asciilifeform: aka obamaphone
asciilifeform: (or was it obamaberry?)
BingoBoingo: Well this is the new one they are proposing
BingoBoingo: By samsung
asciilifeform does not own one, but recalls seeing photos, there's a normal 'blackberry' and an nsa board sandwiched under the battery
BingoBoingo: I've owned normal blackberries. Pleasant paging device.
asciilifeform never understood the appeal of the microscopic trackball on those things
BingoBoingo: Skipped those after first one broke in hours. The tiny trackpad used as a micro trackball was very functional though
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/JohnnySoftware/status/525092883125506048 << lulzies
assbot: /SwiftOnSecurity Windows Update busily bricking USB serial chips http://t.co/XkoNmNiCUH Maybe completely intentional. Microsoft-SWATed case?
asciilifeform: 'FTDI's own web site says their chips are used in medical...'
BingoBoingo: Ah
asciilifeform is hoping that this kind of thing will become an everyday event
asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
kakobrekla: choke on your fruit.
asciilifeform: which fruit
kakobrekla: thats what you already said for python
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform just got back from fruit&veggie market, got a number of possible things to choke on, that were still in season
kakobrekla: apples will do.
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-washing-up
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The washing up
jurov: one click and i ended up on http://www.schneierfacts.com/
assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
jurov: http://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/1341 << exactly what i wanted
assbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
jurov: (if anyone did not read my rant yet: http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail )
assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/the-redhat-package-mangler
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » The RedHat Package Mangler
midnightmagic: "It's about the same likelihood as that you would get spontaneously quantum teleported by tunnelling through solid wall, that's why such things just don't happen." <-- this is incorrect
jurov: yes?
pete_dushenski: first things first: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/23/the-trade-offs-of-feminism/
assbot: The Trade-Offs of Feminism | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: now, logs!
jurov: rly? masculinity as a measurable natural resource?
artifexd: kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it.
pete_dushenski: jurov lol tis a theory.
kakobrekla: artifexd never had, never will have any apple products.
nubbins`: kako uses alienware only
artifexd: I thought I just read that you got a mbp...
jurov: no, we use lenovo - it means slovenky in somalian
jurov: *slovenly
artifexd: Ah no. That was joecool. Same color as you.
kakobrekla: colors, the root of all evil.
BingoBoingo: <artifexd> kakobrekla: If you find a way to get the mbp to not sound like it's overheating while using a non-mac os, I'd love to hear about it. << apmd -C
jurov: or soundproof foam?
kakobrekla: or just turn it off
artifexd: I don't see a -C option
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/linux-doomsday
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Linux doomsday
pete_dushenski: ^must be the same raymond from that trilema comment. everyone loved him too!
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Which non-OS X OS are you running?
asciilifeform: http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual.
assbot: - KGoal, | |
artifexd: I'm looking at centos right now.
jurov: http://i.imgur.com/iXsZdHh.jpg?1 << kakobrekla
artifexd: I haven't settled on a distro yet though.
kakobrekla: heh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> http://www.novate.ru/blogs/121014/28088 << 'kegelcizer' from 'futurama' now actual. << WOnderful
assbot: - KGoal, | |
kakobrekla: ;;google kegel kickstarter
gribble: kGoal Smart Kegel Trainer by Minna Life — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/892018590/kgoal-smart-kegel-trainer>; Skea - Smart Kegel Exercise Aid by Linkcube Studio — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2091647642/skea-smart-kegel-exercise-aid>; The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter: <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: sc4m4tr0nix?
asciilifeform: though i'm told that once in a while, when the planets align, an actual product is made on 'kickstarter'
kakobrekla: dunno not the vagina expert and lampelina is in bed.
asciilifeform: best expert.
asciilifeform: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/871901583/the-kegel-bear
assbot: The Kegel Bear by Natalie Bayne — Kickstarter
BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/letters-of-support
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Letters of support
asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/potential-nyc-ebola-patient-took-an-uber-2014-10
assbot: Potential NYC Ebola Patient Took An Uber - Business Insider
asciilifeform: ubola.
BingoBoingo: Only missing A, I and Y
BingoBoingo: !up MosesEX
MosesEX: yay
asciilifeform: iBola ?
MosesEX: hello everyone
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: What are your thoughts on Obola
MosesEX: BingoBoingo, ebola? its overreacted
BingoBoingo: ;;ud ibola
gribble: Google found nothing.
MosesEX: yet it might spread
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: iBola isn't a thing yet. Maybe next month?
MosesEX: those who die from ebola is because they were ordained to die from it
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: Ordanation doesn't count when ebama does it
MosesEX: obama is destroying this country
MosesEX: we need republicans
MosesEX: not demoncrats
MosesEX: hi everyone!
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: They both suck.
BingoBoingo: MosesEX: You said you had questions. Ask or you get the !down again.
MosesEX: ys
MosesEX: yes
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin?
MosesEX: why or why not
MosesEX: i mean irs
MosesEX: does the irc hate bitcoin yes or no
MosesEX: god dammit