punkman: mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares?
nubbins`: http://gawker.com/nude-beach-blow-job-jet-ski-fight-leads-to-wife-s-death-1608253016
assbot: Nude Beach Blow Job Jet Ski Fight Leads to Wifes Death
nubbins`: it's like they just rolled a bunch of word dice.
punkman: can't resist title
kakobrekla: sorta back
kakobrekla: well what is at stake here, a few bit cents?
BingoBoingo: T m s.bbet
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00036 / 0.00036 / 0.00036 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)
punkman: pretty much
kakobrekla: so it does not require much if any attention really
kakobrekla: dobian then?
kakobrekla: debian*
punkman: should do it
kakobrekla: ;;ident punkman
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
nubbins`: no trades yet
BingoBoingo: No shares yet
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: no yet
nubbins`: IPO documents: bringing faces to irc nicks since 2011
BingoBoingo: Oh, you didn't see my slave name was lready on Trilema?
nubbins`: guess i missed it!
nubbins`: wait, you left a death threat on someone's voicemail?!
nubbins`: my sides
BingoBoingo: Allegedly
BingoBoingo: Also allegedly the other party is not a conservative, but the avatar of socialism incarnate.
cazalla: figured some people would begin digging, good luck, i'm behind 7 proxies
kakobrekla: punkman see pm
kakobrekla: punkman make a new user for the thing clearly
BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
BingoBoingo: !up Tiraspol
BingoBoingo: !up PeterL
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 38(Y):62(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.65541987 BTC. Current weight: 52,100.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325354 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1237 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35959402986.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.73387
thickasthieves: https://twitter.com/brockpierce/status/522146989102751745
assbot: /moolah_io Contact me.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: It's nice to see Qntra back up.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, now the new hosting is strong on plow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 950 @ 0.0011 = 1.045 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/more-tampered-p-e-i-potatoes-found-in-n-s-and-newfoundland-1.2798329
assbot: More tampered P.E.I. potatoes found in N.S. and Newfoundland - - CBC News
BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: SexySaffron got a dye job https://twitter.com/SexyMissSaffron/status/522190151637024771
assbot: /hashtag/tittytuesday?src=hash What do you guys think of me as a blonde? ;) /hashtag/NSFW?src=hash /hashtag/boobies?src=hash http://t.co/tnGAlGl1Ja
cazalla: niice
devthedev: Hmm, what to write about
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks?
devthedev: I'm not aware of who that is
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
devthedev: I love you too assbot.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: He's the benevolent dick of WordPress
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10077 @ 0.00073858 = 7.4427 BTC [+]
cazalla: devthedev, i was going to write up the moolah story but you can do that one if you like, i have another one to work on
devthedev: Okay, I actually worked with Moolah personally in the past.
devthedev: Interesting character
BingoBoingo: Maybe two Moolah stories then?
devthedev: Possibly
devthedev: dns refresh, brb
cazalla: you might have to forward your article to BingoBoingo devthedev, i'm unable to access the dashboard yet
devthedev: Okay
devthedev: DNS hasn't propagated over there yet?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, cazalla is testing how we handle submitters
BingoBoingo: !up applesaucer
BingoBoingo: Hello applesaucer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.11898181 = 1.3088 BTC [+] {2}
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/14/qntra-continues-to-own/
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: Fight Matt Mullenwang, vote up on /. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3912903
assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: !up toddf
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJo3es
BingoBoingo: !up bettycla1p
mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: btw what happens to dividends if I don't take delivery of bbet shares? << you don';t get em
devthedev: Well it looks like Moolah investors are at a loss.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> devthedev: Maybe write about how Mullenwang sucks a big bag of dicks? <<< btw, you want data to write a qntra ddos piece or not really ?
devthedev: Yes please!
mircea_popescu: devthedev "investors"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Put one on the personal blawg http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3912903
assbot: WordPress Defaults Preserve Avenue For Denial of Service Attacks - Slashdot
devthedev: I always have this in the back of my mind, Lol <kakobrekla> you have a death wish?
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com now DOS'd
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you ever tried phone sex btw ?
BingoBoingo: At least Dreamhost admits fault when their shitbox plan sucks dick
mircea_popescu: you get a condom, put the phone inside, then shove it in either the girl's vagina or asshole
mircea_popescu: then fuck the other hole while calling the inserted phone
mircea_popescu: bonus points if she manages to pick up and you can hear yourself sloshing
mircea_popescu: !up Tykling
devthedev: You would think that they would at least keep the Moolah site online as the community's gathering info for our negative articles.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well, what is their interest in that
Apocalyptic: damn, it was up a few minutes ago
devthedev: Maybe someone discovered the server IP and DoS'ed it?
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Server IP should be obvious, cloudflare bullshit is for mammilian potatoes
Apocalyptic: devthedev, some mad "investor" ? poor consolation
devthedev: Maybe Apocalyptic.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: Yeah, there's a ton of cloudflare resolvers that are pretty accurate. (Tried finding my server IP behind it)
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo perhaps ddoser is reading the lawgs
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Maybe, but atm they are just making my dick harder
BingoBoingo: I don't surrender to motherfuckers who could arrest me, why would I surrender to people who merely DOS me?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wouldn't be too worried about it, pop back up by tomorrow or w/e
mircea_popescu: lmao 1/4 gb qntra logfile
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a riot tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: I dunno how much hate I have left to give, and I'm full of hate at the moment.
Apocalyptic: mircea, the DDOS is still ongoing ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic apparently.
mircea_popescu: well it's not doing anything, but i guess so, yeah.
BingoBoingo: I kind of thought having the slave name on the listing would make people less inclined to feed me hate.
BingoBoingo: Or does google lack updated pictures of my beard
devthedev: Hm, https://twitter.com/Altpocalypse_/status/522203626899779584
assbot: Anyone else see the humor in /moolah_io advertising zero fee trading to entice people into depositing before they shut down?
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/living-room-of-satoshi-packs-it-in/
assbot: Living Room of Satoshi Packs It In
mircea_popescu: myeah, it's visible alright.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/
assbot: Qntra.net - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Maybe gribble auth?
devthedev: I'm on the laptop
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be interesting to see what quantcast makes of this lmao
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Then again the way quantcast discounted all of Yesterday
BingoBoingo: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla: ha
BingoBoingo: lol
mpmcsweeney: ty
kakobrekla: ill take mine back
kakobrekla: !down mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney: lol
kakobrekla: still got two!
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You aren't getting Dos too are you?
mpmcsweeney: denial of service?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol such bs
devthedev: Does anyone know if there's a way to determine how long a site's been offline?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Everyone is Dos'ing people by weaponizing mommy blogs
BingoBoingo: !up xinxi
xinxi: why do you up me?
mike_c: devthedev: if popular it will be on here: http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/
assbot: Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not?
BingoBoingo: xinxi: Because you are interesting
xinxi: oh, thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25047 @ 0.00073565 = 18.4258 BTC [-]
cazalla: when can that static page be removed from qntra?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: qntra nao has normal home page
cazalla: yeah i can see that, not login yet, gonna jump on windows and see what it is like there
cazalla: ya can't use commas? swear i have done that before, probably ran into same problem
mircea_popescu: lol noob
mircea_popescu: ppls are "wtf is he talking about. can't be." then later "oh."
mircea_popescu: well anyway, consider these past few hours your baptism of fire ?
mircea_popescu: not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all.
mircea_popescu: in fact, that may well exceed the total logfile of all bitcoin newsites to date.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not that many week old sites get quarter gb apache logfiles after all. << Actually this is the ass end of week 2
mircea_popescu: a ok
BingoBoingo: For Srs, also first, best time thedrinkingrecord was Dos
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The domain qntra.net qntra has reached its bandwidth limit (22195.78/20000.00 Megs).
mircea_popescu: uh no ?!
BingoBoingo: Dunno if real, but email says so
BingoBoingo: I assume email lies though
Apocalyptic: same here
Apocalyptic: "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded"
mircea_popescu: may be only now scripts are catching up with all the funs.
mircea_popescu: im having it looked into.
BingoBoingo: So... when do we hand wp_matt
BingoBoingo: *hang
mircea_popescu: yep you're over bw. sec.
cazalla: oh great, login becomes available, site goes down again
mircea_popescu: dawgs, 20gb in six hours ? heh.
BingoBoingo: This is my 12th consecutive hour just straight up mainlining hate.
BingoBoingo: A /.ing isn't this bad
nubbins`: what in the world are you into
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Obola it seems
BingoBoingo: Ebumma must dislike us
nubbins`: ebummer, dude
BingoBoingo: !up DowntimeBsns
BingoBoingo: What's up DowntimeBsns
DowntimeBsns: shared host lol
BingoBoingo: Well, used to be
DowntimeBsns: gj
BingoBoingo: Now just niggers.txt
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?
DowntimeBsns: yes
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why do u hate me?
BingoBoingo: I live in tent. I homeless leik u.
DowntimeBsns: oh
Apocalyptic: mircea, can't you just nullroute the offending IPs or is the range too broad ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo should be back in business.
BingoBoingo: Just trying to earn super legit living DowntimeBsns
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic eh let teh kids have funs.
DowntimeBsns: why don't you guys start a hosting business
cazalla: DowntimeBsns, you know we punch on for less than this down under
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: qntra seems up
DowntimeBsns: instead of derping over shit service providers
mircea_popescu: DowntimeBsns you must be new here.
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: WHy Y bully me and not Dogescam? Or Obola Scam?
DowntimeBsns: i'm goat
DowntimeBsns: fuck you
BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Why U instead pick on people trying to adapt to economy nuevo
devthedev: Lol
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: it must suck to suck.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-ddos-2.png <<< how's 40mbps sound ?
mircea_popescu: but oh no, matt derpyweed knows better and has made "technical tradebacks" or w/e they're called.
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You can talk nao
BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296
PinkPosixPXE: So to get level 2, I have to accomplish a few trades that go well and get in the ranking system, correct?
mircea_popescu: basically.
PinkPosixPXE: k, just making sure I wasn't confused
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not necessarlily trades, but situations definitely
PinkPosixPXE: ah, so I Don't have to trade
PinkPosixPXE: ?
PinkPosixPXE: I read the documentation, but I think I'm missing something
mircea_popescu: o hey, here we go again, round... 3 is it ?
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE as long as someone o nthe lordship list trusts you you're in.
kakobrekla: PinkPosixPXE got any skills?
PinkPosixPXE: I gotcha
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What do you do?
PinkPosixPXE: I just didn't want to jump into trading right away, but if that was the requirement for level 2/+v, wanted to check
PinkPosixPXE: I am a Sr. Linux Systems Admin
PinkPosixPXE: For a Publishing company
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Requirement for L2 is impress somebody. How can you impress?
PinkPosixPXE: I work with nix variations, server maintenance
PinkPosixPXE: Do you need a bash script written
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: What's your favorite *nix?
BingoBoingo: I dun use bash
BingoBoingo: Korn
BingoBoingo: Ok band, mediocre shell
PinkPosixPXE: I really prefer rhel/centos, but ubuntu is ok too, we use a variety of flavors in our environment, but those are the main ones.
kakobrekla: ubuntu :(
BingoBoingo: RH is on the naughty list for pushing SystemDeviant out
kakobrekla: skinned windows.
PinkPosixPXE: and OEL
BingoBoingo: And keeping Poettering from starving
PinkPosixPXE: for our oracle database clusters
PinkPosixPXE: I don't choose the OS's, I just build them, configure, and maintain them when they break while management snaps the whip
kakobrekla: no worries
PinkPosixPXE: You know how it goes, but I have to work with a lot of different things, so it broadens my skillset
PinkPosixPXE: anywho
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Any recommendations for scalable server on Motorola 68K?
PinkPosixPXE: before I ramble
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: You try writing prose at all?
kakobrekla: Whats the ramble about?
BingoBoingo: rabble
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: A Motorola 6800, hrm fairly old, you want to scale out and replace it, or change the setup how, precisely?
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I have written prose, unfortunately to a fault at times... I'm not very succinct
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: I want a 6830, but with a GHz class clock. Or... daydreams
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Try a post for qntra
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: resource limit reached again
Apocalyptic: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 321004.15 in 185 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.91
BingoBoingo: thedrinkingrecord.com still abides nao that cacheing is reenavled
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: Do you enjoy playing with older hardware and different arch types? IT can be fun, just frustrating as well at times.
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: It is the only way to play. C is supposed to be portable. If your kernel can't take SPARC or 68K I dunno if it is correct enough to live
Adlai: wtf -82.91%
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Tis ATC
Adlai: that's a fantastically ungoogleable tla
Apocalyptic: hopefully in a week we'll be at the new diff
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
PinkPosixPXE: I'll check out posting on qntra
PinkPosixPXE: or if anyone needs help with a linux issue, I can try to assist there
TomServo: Adlai: http://therealaltcoin.org/
assbot: The Real Altcoin (ATC) – Never Mine Another Altcoin Again
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Know any way to seed an entropy pool in NEtBSD on MacSE/30?
nanotube: mircea_popescu: it used to sort by rating value... i figured sorting by rating total is a more informative first display... though ideally it would sort by 'total trust from nanotube' or something like that, but that would require writing some code to run those calculations in batch mode and caching them, cuz running every rater live would be expensive...
mircea_popescu: nanotube how a bout just sort on freshness ?
mircea_popescu: save everyone a click.
asciilifeform: interestingly, my favourite hosting co. is virtually ddos-proof and costs almost nothing.
asciilifeform: down side - only eats usd, and doesn't give actual machine (not even vm.) so no persistent processes.
asciilifeform: (re: ddos tale)
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up PinkPosixPXE
PinkPosixPXE: ty
PinkPosixPXE: BingoBoingo: I'd need more details, but essentially you can use rng-tools/rng to increase the entropy on a server. How it would be implemented for your exact use, would require more discussion.
asciilifeform: i think he's asking for hardware.
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Yeah, talking about specific hardware I cooked before trying to gen GPG keys using the NetBSD PGP implementation
BingoBoingo: because apparently real Macs don't generate entropy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from whence did you imagine it would come?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cloud chamber...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, commodore-64 (and 128) had hardware noise. (in the 6581 sound chip.)
PinkPosixPXE: did it time out on generating a gpg key due to lack of entropy?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that one: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html
assbot: Parallel Port SID6581 Interface
BingoBoingo: There were motherboard component that looked like they could fill the role
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Not time out... cooked self
PinkPosixPXE: overheated?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could have been helpful
BingoBoingo: PinkPosixPXE: Overheated to the extent that magic smoke
PinkPosixPXE: wow
asciilifeform: magic smoke out of what ?
PinkPosixPXE: just trying to generate entropy
asciilifeform: if not sure from what, probably had electrolytic cap burst
asciilifeform: routine on vintage gear.
asciilifeform: find which, replace.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Out of class mac case SE/30 lives in
asciilifeform: pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit.
PinkPosixPXE: I mean, there's plenty of hardware abounds, it depends what you want, want to use it for, and your budget/access to hardware
PinkPosixPXE: then there's tools that help increase entropy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> pop it, and post photo if it's been so long that your nose will not lead you to the culprit. << Maor concerned with shaming WP matt
asciilifeform unable to parse this sentence
PinkPosixPXE: ok, I'm not the only one struggling in that department ;P ... No offense intended of course
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: tools that help increase entropy << what've we come to. as if the heat death of universe weren't arriving quickly enough...
PinkPosixPXE: hehe, well now the theory has changed to the "cold death" of the universe, as it's expanding at an ever increasing rate, and galaxies/etc. are moving further away
PinkPosixPXE: from each other
PinkPosixPXE: but I digress..
PinkPosixPXE: http://www.howtoforge.com/helping-the-random-number-generator-to-gain-enough-entropy-with-rng-tools-debian-lenny
assbot: Helping The Random Number Generator To Gain Enough Entropy With rng-tools (Debian Lenny) | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials
BingoBoingo: At the moment universe is headed to a hate death, because Wordpress's Matt Mullenwang dunno priorities
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: this tool does precisely nothing without a hardware rng.
mircea_popescu: mkay, so with the 3rd attack the list of goat's botnet ips went from 1k to 3k items
PinkPosixPXE: ignore the debian portion, rng-tools is something most OS's should have available
PinkPosixPXE: So we have to increase entropy somehow. This can be done with rng-tools, a package to use a hardware true number generator (TRNG). Don't worry, you don't need any extra hardware, we will use /dev/urandom as our true number generator.
mircea_popescu: looking forward to full discovery.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, qntra is back in working order.
PinkPosixPXE: Fixed my issue earlier today, entropy isn't solely hardware dependant,
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i cannot log in, again, 403
asciilifeform: PinkPosixPXE: in the sense of 'it works better if you plug it in' ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: cazalla meh, apparently he's got moar.
cazalla: in fact, entire site is 403 for me now except static page
PinkPosixPXE: it uses /dev/urandom, it's not hardware driven, it just pulls entropy through rng-tools software, rather than 'mouse input' or 'disk activity' etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11129 @ 0.00073514 = 8.1814 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: not hardware driven << a schoolboy can write his own 'mersenne twister', get the same inferior result, for no effort really.
mircea_popescu: why is mt inferior ?!
BingoBoingo: Twistor is harder though
PinkPosixPXE: There's that new usb device called 'entropy' which is a usb coin wallet, that you can just plug in https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/mycelium-successfully-funds-usb-bitcoin-wallet-device-entropy-with-indiegogo/
assbot: Mycelium Successfully Funds USB Bitcoin Wallet Device, Entropy, With Indiegogo - CryptoCoinsNews
asciilifeform: inferior to hardware
asciilifeform: !s mycelium
assbot: 46 results for 'mycelium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mycelium
devthedev: Ugh, CCN
PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive, hardware-based entropy is harnessed to create a large, truly random, number. The random number is generated using a static RAM chip, which Holcomb, D.E.; Burleson, W.P.; and Fu. K. have proven is capable of generating “128-bit true random numbers.” This number is then used as the seed to generate a private key and corresponding Bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: address
cazalla: anyone else getting "You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server." on qntra.net?
asciilifeform: ('inferior' is perhaps poor choice of word here. for cryptographic purposes. for, say, homework, where the run must be replicable - one must use prng.)
devthedev: No cazalla
asciilifeform: !s sram rng
assbot: 3 results for 'sram rng' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sram+rng
asciilifeform: nothing new under the sky.
PinkPosixPXE: asciilifeform: For serious security, perhaps yes, but everything runs on hardware, it's just the software layer that interacts with how entropy is derived from teh hardware wether it's something you plug in or something you run on a server
PinkPosixPXE: but depends on your end goal/objective
asciilifeform: that'd be 'it works better if you plug it in.'
asciilifeform: that is, if you process the output of noise apparatus as prescribed, you get the expected result; if you forget to, and call 'return(3)' as in the comic - not.
asciilifeform: http://xkcd.com/221
assbot: xkcd: Random Number
asciilifeform: what shall we teach next? arithmetic?
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo anyway, we're on to actual ddos, no more of that wordpress mickey mouse bs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why are you convinced that it was a 'wordpress'-based ddos ?
mircea_popescu: somebody's butthurt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wordpress was their last weapon.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, they really care nao?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first ~2mn lines all carry the tell tale GET / HTTP/1.0" 508 7287 "-" "WordPress/4.0; http://autobg.eu; verifying pingback from headers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, shitty botnet really, under 5k ips.
BingoBoingo: Does rifle make sense as company expense at 500k IP botnet?
asciilifeform: lol pingback crud
mircea_popescu: people with 500k dont derpthis bad
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because at 500k zombies, rifle is expected
BingoBoingo: !Up PinkPosixPXE
BingoBoingo: Dreamhost party line http://dpaste.com/0295SB7
assbot: dpaste: 0295SB7
kakobrekla: Jay Z?
kakobrekla: the keys are right next to each other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3091 @ 0.00073858 = 2.283 BTC [+]
mike_c: how are you mitigating the attack? big ip ban lists?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Mitigating with heft of ballsack atm
mike_c: that works too
mircea_popescu: mike_c 90% of the attack was mitigated simply by using a html file for root, instead of the php. guy did like 3 blasts before figuring it out. then it did a blast in which instead of / he called /index.php?[randnumber]
mircea_popescu: that resulted in a ban for any node calling the fucking obviously nonstandard url
mike_c: got it
mircea_popescu: at which point he moved to actual ddos as opposed to wordpress reflect crud, which is being mediated in the normal manner.
BingoBoingo: !up need
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
BingoBoingo: !up Needhelp
BingoBoingo: Needhelp: Whachu need?
Needhelp: Thanks, are there any admins for bitbet here?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla and mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: well speak son
Needhelp: Potential problem in the site with a finished bet. I think someone is trying to claim my bet is invalid in comments, but I think it is.
BingoBoingo: Needhelp: Which bet?
Needhelp: Was hoping someone could take a look and see if I'm an idiot and missing something, or if I'm right.
BingoBoingo: Also where is pankkake when you need a troll
Needhelp: Bet 1052
Needhelp: About CME oil futures.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.14, Best ask: 401.4, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 401.4, 24 hour volume: 25775.54639046, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.207115291
Needhelp: If you read the comments, you should get both sides of the story. My bet is the last one in, someone is claiming it was after bet was determined, but the time stamps should show it was 38 minutes before the deciding trade.
BingoBoingo: Only 0.75 BTC http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/70948
assbot: Savage Axis Bolt Action Rifle .30-06 Springfield 22" Barrel 4 Rounds Matte Black Synthetic Stock Matte Black Barrel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nothing about btc on vendor's site... ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For some tools, the only vendors don't care where money is headed because they have inventory
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where i live there are gigantic markets where such hardware is bought and sold with cash
BingoBoingo: Same around here
asciilifeform: though for certain arbitrary legal criteria (barrel too long, too short, too thick, something or other, IANAL) you have to fill out a form of some sort
BingoBoingo: Well for price comparison though you need internet vendor
BingoBoingo: !up Lycerion
BingoBoingo: !up NormDePloome
BingoBoingo: !up go1
BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/B9Wf0L2.jpg << mikroskope and lens both here at last. seen with common household objects for size reference.
asciilifeform: (i've misplaced the 3 of clubs in a moving crate somewhere, i think)
BingoBoingo: So qntra suspended again
cazalla: good a time as any for a few beers i guess
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, doesn't look like it, I got a 403 now
cazalla: it did say suspended before, 403 now
mircea_popescu: cazalla nao ?
BingoBoingo: !up decimation
cazalla: its back
decimation: asciilifeform: nearlyfreespeech.net?
decimation: seems legit.
decimation: asciilifeform: https://www.manncorp.com/smt-place-2000-manual-pick-and-place.html << sorta like what you are building I guess "The built-in time/pressure dispenser handles both solder paste and adhesives, with a syringe vacuum control feature that can be adjusted to prevent low-viscosity liquids from dripping out of the syringe." << sounds dubious
assbot: Manual Pick and Place Machine: Manual SMT Placement Equipment: Low Cost Pick and Place
cazalla: front page works, posts won't though mircea_popescu
decimation: lol it is listed on amazon for $4895
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how it is, give it a minute try again
cazalla: it has to be andreas, he's had enough
BingoBoingo: Andreas would be a match for the timing
mircea_popescu: it's just about derpy enough to be any random redditard.
BingoBoingo: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GEA22301 << Has rail like Derpshikov
assbot: Excel Arms MP-22 Semi Auto Handgun .22 Magnum 8.5" Barrel 9 Rounds Stainless Steel Black Adjustable Sights EA22301
decimation: what kind of rail should I buy for my ak?
mircea_popescu: crazy shit stick on all sides!
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown qntra.net
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: mkay then.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/10/lawsky-stays-lulzy/
assbot: Lawsky Stays Lulzy
mircea_popescu: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney: thank you :)
Adlai finally implements kraken's rate limit algorithm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12959 @ 0.00073887 = 9.575 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up smidge
mpmcsweeney: you folks are the qntra team no?
BingoBoingo: Yes
mpmcsweeney: good stuff I read every day
Adlai: we folks are a strict superset of the qntra team
mpmcsweeney: crypto is the best story in technology yet
BingoBoingo: Adlai: You can submit a piece
Adlai is still thinking of ideas for that
BingoBoingo: Adlai: A wordpress alternative that runs in Emacs?
Adlai: eh?
Adlai would want to contribute an original article, not just paraphrase/edit shitty pieces from other sites
Adlai: not that i'm saying anybody has done that
cazalla: shots fired Adlai
Adlai: but i'm currently unable to produce "news" other than that
mpmcsweeney: hey man thats part of the process
BingoBoingo: Well take your time
mpmcsweeney: information is a great river
cazalla: i watched parts of that lawsky video
Adlai didn't, although he may go to an upcoming conference
mpmcsweeney: shit I wish we had 10 more crypto sites
mpmcsweeney: Bitell is very good for China stuff
Adlai: is market analysis welcome on qntra?
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Sure
Adlai keeps that in mind
Adlai: at some point i want to make indicators based on the philosophy that my bot uses, since none of the existing ones exactly mirror this
Adlai: this process could make for some interesting posts as it happens "live", although i'm busy on other aspects atm
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.42, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.58000, Last trade: 398.8, 24 hour volume: 24837.71430735, 24 hour low: 394.46, 24 hour high: 417.99, 24 hour vwap: 405.142065291
BingoBoingo: No report on breaking $400 today
Apocalyptic: so about this Mintpal critical bug, there was a guy in -otc some days ago claiming he found a bug
Apocalyptic: and was looking for a programmer to help him
Apocalyptic: http://0bin.net/paste/i-WgE7TzyDplh9RG#WPB1lsCdBufaA0eFsoQjiXqQ2aXKNcpfSmnVa57pCC5
assbot: 0bin - encrypted pastebin
cazalla: Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat"
cazalla: mebe we can run a kickstarter BingoBoingo, what do you think
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Not unless one of us gets Obola
mpmcsweeney: just no sponsored content please
mpmcsweeney: some asshole was on Bloomberg TV talking about native advertising, its a real shame what has become of the written word
BingoBoingo: !up NormDePloome
Adlai: how about monthly ppv token auctions through colored coins?
Adlai: (or some other asset issuance thingy if you don't like colored coins)
BingoBoingo: Seems like interesting DOS mitigation tool http://www.amazon.com/Stiletto-TICLW12-ClawBar-Titanium-Puller/dp/B0000T4VAG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1413351393&sr=8-2&keywords=titanium+crowbar
assbot: Stiletto TICLW12 ClawBar Titanium Nail Puller - Stilletto Nail Puller - Amazon.com
Adlai: the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them
cazalla: Adlai, why not just bitcoin instead?
Adlai: less risky for the blog administrators
Adlai: you can calculate exactly how much you need to raise to cover costs, and price readership tokens accordingly
Adlai: rather than hoping that revenue exceeds expenses
asciilifeform: decimation: manual pick&place << not the least bit like what i'm doing. that's just a frame where you move the carriage with hands. can't move to coordinates of known points.
Adlai: another way of looking at it: you auction off tokens to guage readership interest, then reserve hosting capacities accordingly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul pick and place... once the immune system is worked out
Adlai: cazalla: tl;dr: a decentralized readership token offloads some risk from the administrators to the asset bagholders
asciilifeform: decimation: my apparatus is only manual in the sense that i lack the time/equipment to produce autofeeders, so the lifter must be guided over pre-popped tape manually.
BingoBoingo: hirsute cats... the future
mpmcsweeney: so full disclosure: I work for CoinDesk :)
Apocalyptic: heh
mpmcsweeney: happy to exit if y'all wish, but this seem slike a cool crypto forum and Id like to hang if possible
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: It's ok I don't work
asciilifeform: and time/pressure dispensers drool (literally.) and suckback hose does not help - if set to a backpressure that actually has any effect, the contents of the syringe end up slowly sliding up, and eventually into the vacuum pump. schlurp.
Adlai: mpmcsweeney: anything you care to say publicly (this channel is logged) about their sponsored content practices?
mpmcsweeney: no sponsored content at CoinDesk
Adlai: didn't that one twit/redditor get an email back agreeing to publish a sponsored feature?
mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies
mpmcsweeney: likely a scam
asciilifeform to bed.
mpmcsweeney: our only revenue generator currently are the recent ads we kicked off
mpmcsweeney: *generators
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: You can hang here, just be aware that... Coindesk kind of does the sponsored content thing... The just do the plausible deniability thing too...
mpmcsweeney: howso?
BingoBoingo: It's been documented and I got drunk.
BingoBoingo: !s coindesk
assbot: 182 results for 'coindesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coindesk
BingoBoingo: Somewhere up there
BingoBoingo: Is the answer
mpmcsweeney: hrm whenabouts was that? admittedly I have only been working here for 6 months
BingoBoingo: Well more concerning than sponsored content are the funder's other investments
mpmcsweeney: but to my knowledge (I used to be in the marketing content biz and I have asked) we've never gone down that road
BingoBoingo: ;;google crunchbase coindesk
gribble: CoinDesk | CrunchBase: <http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coindesk>; Shakil Khan - Founder @ CoinDesk | CrunchBase: <http://www.crunchbase.com/person/shakil-khan>; The CoinDesk Bitcoin Price Index | CrunchBase: <http://www.crunchbase.com/product/the-coindesk-bitcoin-price-index>
cazalla: robocoin runs windows xp as per https://docs.google.com/a/metalabdesign.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub
assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off
mpmcsweeney: haha I mean outside of BitPay I dont know too much about Khan's investments
BingoBoingo: mpmcsweeney: There's just things people who came here before coindesk was worry about
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney: danke
mpmcsweeney: I guess my point is that there's honestly no influence to our reporting, at least as far as I as a reporter and editor can tell -- and Im intimately involved in the process
mpmcsweeney: and never once has any pressure about anthing come down from my superiors
mpmcsweeney: *anything
cazalla: i know nothing
mpmcsweeney: I dunno, I do this for story telling, its a good industry
mpmcsweeney: and its good to meet others who share that enthusiasm :D
cazalla: how much do coindesk pay for articles mpmcschultz
mpmcsweeney: when I was a freelancer it was more or less $10 every 100 words
mpmcsweeney: nowadays I make a monthly salary
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think your solution is definitely better than the $5k machine I linked. I doubt anyone makes something like it, and if they did it wouldn't be cheap
Adlai: coinbase don't pay in shares? :P
mpmcsweeney: coinbase pays in phylacteries
mpmcsweeney: night all - good talking to u
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org
cazalla: and qntra is suspended again
Adlai: holy shit, intersection right outside my door is flooded up to the windshields of private cars
Adlai: guess who isn't going to work today?
thickasthieves: <+Apocalyptic> thickasthieves, I guess you can remove "- Vote for ATC to be listed at MintPal.com!" from therealaltcoin.org /// done. removed the hitbtc one too
thickasthieves: mpmcsweeney link to your articles?
thickasthieves: http://www.coindesk.com/author/stan-higgins/
assbot: Stan Higgins - Reporter, CoinDesk
thickasthieves: such clipart
thickasthieves: that's a lotta articles
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer 21.68 GB / 48.83 GB, first day on new host, "we're gonna need a bigger boat" << that was at some point the counter ran
mircea_popescu: it's more like 40ish gb really
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> the advantage of using colored coins is that it should be fairly straightforward to adapt trilema's readership credit code to deal with them << http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
assbot: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thickasthieves: i like stuff coinprism is doing, in style mostly, but, like always, no one actually gives a shit about colored coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25317 @ 0.00073411 = 18.5855 BTC [-] {4}
thickasthieves: i assume ya'llready know qntra.net is down
mircea_popescu: yeah it's taking a short break
mircea_popescu: mpmcsweeney: my name is Stan Higgins - Im heavily involvd in our newsroom and I can safely say we accept no payment of any kind from companies << that's bs, you know it, i know it, why even bother with it ?
Adlai is a recently liberated corporate slaveboi! =_=
mircea_popescu: nobody particularly cares if you stay or go, but people wil get pretty aggravated by this sort of pr/party line approach. the reason this is a cool forum is exactly not allowing that sorta crap.
mircea_popescu: Adlai o yeah ? where'd you work ?
Adlai: mircea_popescu: your article mainly addresses problems with decentralized security systems as a replacement for high-frequency exchanges. i think it's still possible to issue tokens such as readership credits (or movie tickets, etc) in this fashion, since their market is a lot less dependant upon dedicated market makers
Adlai: (the companies issuing and accepting the tokens are forced to act as market makers)
mircea_popescu: so it's not dependent on them then.
mircea_popescu: what is this reddit logic.
Adlai worked analytics at http://playscape.com and "research" at http://autodeskrnd.co.il
assbot: PlayScape | A New Kind of Publisher
assbot: Autodesk Israel R&D Center
mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig, but how diod they end ? acquihire ? simple burnout ?
Adlai: playscape has been burning VC money for years and downsized 33%, autodesk terminated my employment due to "being unable to accomodate working from home or at odd hours"
mircea_popescu: o.O
Adlai refuses to work even-numbered hours
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: so research what, derping on google analytics and whatever other clickbezzlor node.js websites ?
Adlai: custom stack handrolled from google bigquery and excel glued together with mutant python scripst
mircea_popescu: but basically, counting fake clicks all day ?
Adlai: impressions, purchases, which players downloaded which additional games after finishing which levels, etc
Adlai: i dealt mostly with making data accessible for my boss, so he could perform the actual analysis
Adlai: don't have too much interesting to say about it, i'd rather discuss decentralized assets
Adlai: i'm far from convinced they're good for anything, but the only way to really know is by watching them break under stress/attacks
Adlai: you could also auction qntra credits through a centralized system, that aspect of my suggestion isn't dependent upon decentralized issuance
thickasthieves: just use bitcoin
thickasthieves: ta-da!
thickasthieves: (or Altcoin)
mircea_popescu: Adlai you know this is like... done already. right ?
Adlai: not really, i'm only familiar with qntra et al for what, three days?
Adlai: so if i mention stuff that's already done, please just point it out
mircea_popescu: wasn't i reading a bevy of suggestions from you above tho ?
Adlai: you probably were. i can shut up if that's what you're asking me to do.
mircea_popescu: i'm not. i'm instead kloinking you over the head for the add-water-and-stir suggestion dust you got.
mircea_popescu: are they supposed to work just like that, in principle, don't even need to know what you're suggesting about or anything ?
Adlai: are what supposed to work just like how?
mircea_popescu: let's build a simulacra.
mircea_popescu: guy in the hospital. adlai talks to doctor : this dude should get casts. casts are cool. doctor to adlai : did you see his xrays ? adlai umm... no. but casts are cool.
mircea_popescu: see the problem with the approach ?
Adlai would probably not get invited into the operating theatre just for walking around outside the hospital with an anatomy coloring book
mircea_popescu: a discussion of casts is entirely spurious. the problem's the approach.
Adlai: +mircea_popescu | so research what, << oh, if you were asking what i did at autodesk, it was much more interesting
Adlai: i worked on connecting http://dynamobim.org/ to the backend powering http://shapeshifter.io/
assbot: Dynamo BIM
assbot: Project Shapeshifter
mircea_popescu: all the shit i never heard of o.O
Adlai: essentially, got paid to learn C++ and C#. not things i'd like to use in new projects, but still good tools to have
mircea_popescu: Adlai this isn't the amazon thing is it ?
mircea_popescu: you're not old enough to be talking of that "limits to growth" retardation
Adlai: no, dynamo is a scripting engine for vasari/revit (BIM tools aka CAD for architects/engineers), shapeshifter is a generative modeling library for making things like [photo incoming...]
Adlai: what "limits to growth" retardation?
Adlai: will gribble kick me for an imgur link here?
mircea_popescu: there was this first pass of algoreism, "golf club" patternism and all the rest of the retardation
mircea_popescu: it was written in either algol or cobol i forget, and was supposed to be a big deal for rich hippies in the 70s
mircea_popescu: no.
Adlai: "when all you've got is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" type thinking?
mircea_popescu: ;;google rome club limits to growth dynamo
gribble: The Limits to Growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth>; DYNAMO (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DYNAMO_(programming_language)>; World3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World3>
Adlai: no relation to that.
mircea_popescu: !s autodesk
assbot: 4 results for 'autodesk' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=autodesk
Vexual: excuse the interjection, but for the love of god>>> xinxi:cazalla university of melbourne and ANU, which one is better?>>> ANU
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073386 = 3.9995 BTC [-]
Adlai: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvdHpNdjVWN1JUZWM https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvZTlhazRvcV82ejA https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8xpZtGFKOvvcmdRUE9vbWtyejQ
assbot: IMG_20140715_125217.jpg - Google Drive
assbot: IMG_20140727_130602.jpg - Google Drive
assbot: IMG_20140727_162158.jpg - Google Drive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00073377 = 13.1712 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: autodesk must have some interesting proprietry libraries
Adlai: there's also interesting stuff in their open source pipeline: http://spark.autodesk.com/
assbot: Spark
Adlai: it's a shame that i couldn't stay there a bit longer, it was a great job and still left me time free to work on scalpl
Vexual: whats that a more refined version of storung your 3d nudes in the cloud?
Adlai: automated extraction of 3d movements from professional porn and cloud-based rendering of your nudes in their place?
Vexual: no im joking about that 123render thing
Vexual: whatever it's called
Vexual: you cure cancer in your spare time?
Adlai: who doesn't?
Adlai: !s scalpl from:adlai
assbot: 2 results for 'scalpl from:adlai' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpl+from%3Aadlai
Vexual: ahhh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00073549 = 15.7395 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: this may already be known - didn't see in teh logs: http://qntra.net/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
assbot: Account Suspended
punkman: can't even connect to qntra.net here
Vexual: its known
RagnarDanneskjol: k
Vexual: flood monkeys
punkman: dat reddit police
RagnarDanneskjol: hah
Vexual: big first week huh?
RagnarDanneskjol: the price of fame
Vexual: hopefully it's fixed before my morning shit
punkman: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub
assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off
Vexual: hold up $250 a month?
thickasthieves: i read that, i actually started talks with robocoin last year
thickasthieves: and i didnt like their setup or vibe
thickasthieves: so dropped it
Vexual: they're paying rent with no kiosk? way to business
punkman: noobs don't know about logistics
cazalla: well who would hold a venue for them months on end with no income to show for it Vexual
punkman: "Unfortunately, Robocoin is built on Windows XP and a complete nightmare to configure. First, the ID scanner doesn’t work. Then the webcam keeps going black. Then the palm scanner refuses to work"
punkman: it has a palm scanner?
thickasthieves: anti munny laundering
thickasthieves: dollars gotta remain dirty
Vexual: robocoin waiting on a palm scanner driver for xp
Vexual: you this 80mm cd just has a generic usb driver
bounce: ``In London Fields by Martin Amis, while smelling a wad of used fifties, foil Guy Clinch observes that, "Pecunia non olet was dead wrong. Pecunia olet."'' (wikipedia) -- thus we see the folly of paper money.
punkman: I think for $25k they could have hired a dude to sit there with a laptop.
Vexual: yeah
bounce: sit there themselves and badger the vendors whenever it's quiet.
Vexual: and you know it'll fuck up often enough you'll need mr laptop anyways
thickasthieves: <+punkman> I think for $25k they could have hired a dude to sit there with a laptop. - yknow this is a great point
thickasthieves: just do money exchange desks
thickasthieves: then you can kyc for real
punkman: or you could do it through a gloryhole
Vexual: lol
Vexual: the first one on oz required a laptop dude coz people are retared irc
punkman: "There's a working Robocoin ATM at Hacker Dojo in Mountain View, CA. Nobody uses it. Nor should they. 15% bid/ask spread, 5% fee."
Vexual: but i think real atms had that too
Vexual: those hackerspace coincollecting thermal printing $100 things would be much better in a pub
Vexual: wake up and all your change is privatekeys
punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jakg4/the_great_robocoin_ripoff_how_we_lost_25000/cl9yw80
assbot: Robocoinjordan comments on The Great Robocoin Rip-off: How we lost $25,000 buying a Robocoin ATM
Vexual: at least he owns it
`jurov`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-fall-of-moolah-io/ linked from front page gives me 404
assbot: The Fall of Moolah.io | Qntra.net
`jurov`: something still bookt
`jurov`: *borkt
punkman: works here
`jurov`: also, i got dns refresh first and only after third reload the site has shown
`jurov`: i see it works for assbot, too
Vexual: works
`jurov`: i'd check what caching http headers qntra sends
cazalla: it's been under dos attack all day, changed hosts etc etc
cazalla: mp is working on it
Adlai: is there a site up yet for automated testing of immunity to the sslv3 vulnerability?
`jurov`: on second try, moolah article works too
`jurov`: weird. clicked on comment, again 404
`jurov`: and in the bottom "
`jurov`: Proudly powered by LiteSpeed Web Server
punkman: cazalla, maybe a couple edits in moolah article: "CryptoCurrency", "and withdraws are active"
`jurov`: Please be advised that LiteSpeed Technologies Inc. is not a web hosting company and, as such, has no control over content found on this site.
`jurov`: "
Adlai finds a few: https://www.expeditedssl.com/poodle and https://www.tinfoilsecurity.com/poodle
assbot: SSL POODLE Scanner
assbot: Free POODLE SSL Security Vulnerability Check | Tinfoil Security
fluffypony: qntra down?
fluffypony: oh DoS
fluffypony: lameballz
fluffypony: cazalla: why not shove CloudFlare up in front of it? for a blog it's a cheap and effective way of making that stuff SEP (Somebody Else's Problem)
wyrdmantis: qntra is up for me
cazalla: punkman, i can't access it at all atm
`jurov`: cloudflare has its probs, too
`jurov`: and trilema's hosting is built to withstand, ddos
`jurov`: it prolly got broken moving in haste
cazalla: nah, move went fine but then dos came again
Vexual: !up xinxi
Vexual: xinxi, what is your wife studing?
xinxi: renewable energy
Vexual: oh
xinxi: are you also in au?
Vexual: im not too sure about that, but I'd still recommend ANU
xinxi: I know ANU is good at research.
xinxi: I also want to apply for a research fellow job there.
Vexual: the benefits of the capitol territory are far reaching
Vexual: it's also very peaceful there
xinxi: yah, students can easily concentrate.
Vexual: exactly
xinxi: are you aussie?
Vexual: yes
xinxi: Thanks
Vexual: np, either would be good
Vexual: where are you from?
xinxi: oh, I am from china.
xinxi: mainland china
Vexual: you know if it wer'nt for the nick, I wouldn'y know, you must do business or languages
Vexual: or something cool
xinxi: yah, I am currently working on https://coinut.com
xinxi: i just finished my phd.
Vexual: commerce?
Vexual: whats the theis called?
xinxi: it’s a bitcoin iptions exchange.
Vexual: your phd
xinxi: thesis is about recommendation systems.
Vexual: cs?
xinxi: right
Vexual: neato
xinxi: thanks
Vexual: you were already tending towards ANU I suppose?
xinxi: yeah, I am interested in artificial intelligence.
xinxi: there seems a good group there.
Vexual: have you been to Australia before?
xinxi: i visited AU in this May.
xinxi: it’s a beautiful country with nice people.
Vexual: have you been to canberra?
xinxi: no, i did not have enough time. so i visited Sydney and Melbourne only.
Vexual: it's much quieter, and everywhere you drive is trees, you'd ahrdly know theres a city there
xinxi: it’s quite different from most asian cities.
xinxi: oh, that sounds great. because I think that Sydney and Melbourne are already quite quiet compared with Singapore, Beijing, Shanghai, or even Tokyo.
xinxi: i really like the peacefulness on people’s faces.
Vexual: syd is only 3 hours on one of the best freeways you ever drove
xinxi: yah, the position of canberra is good.
wyrdmantis: qntra down for me now
Vexual: or up and down in a plane 30 mins, but the time at the airport
Vexual: decisions decisions
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRZXM-4xI
Vexual: !up xinxi
xinxi: the video is good.
Vexual: fuckin funny
xinxi: yah
Vexual: id love to see a chinese version
xinxi: i don’t know whether there is a chinese version. but i guess the 30/70 percent thing in the video is just a joke.
Vexual: tending towards 100
xinxi: really, why didn’t i feel any?
Vexual: no, the joke factor
Vexual: anyway chinese dudes have been here since forever
xinxi: yeah, i saw many.
cazalla: spot the aussie
Vexual: even long ago
xinxi: i know the first bunch went there mainly for gold.
Vexual: they were getting pearls before captain cook
xinxi: oh, the first recorded chinese migrant was in 1818.
xinxi: that’s so long ago.
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cazalla: tell him he's dreamin' xinxi
Vexual: well.. i might be
xinxi: i will be scared :-)
Vexual: no you won't
cazalla: xinxi, didja get munted while in melb?
Vexual: ;;ud munted
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munted | munted. To have intoxicated yourself with alcohol and/or chemicals to such point where respectable levels of social and/or physical functioning become ...
xinxi: thanks, i just checked urbandictionary :-)
xinxi: no, my wife was with me.
Vexual: lol
xinxi: although I wanted to enjoy that.
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Vexual: you'll be sweet xinxi, as long as you've got your head screwed on
cazalla: he's got fkn buckleys
Vexual: dude he models brains like yours for breakfast
cazalla: not much to model Vexual
Vexual: i think in melbourne munted means a specipic chemical no?
cazalla: dunno, these cunts down here are fucked
xinxi: i did see the craziness of the bars.
cazalla: that is not what i refer to
Vexual: thats when that how to talk australians is helpful in the back of your mind
Vexual: watch all 8 and belive nothing, it's all jokes
cazalla: this is more what melbourne is now /
cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1393/41/1393413227916.png
assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive
xinxi: watch all 8?
Vexual: there are 8 episodes, it's a comedy
cazalla: i lived with 2 indian cunts when i first came here, they were more australian than some unaustralian cunts who were born here
Vexual: if you laugh once, you get australia
Vexual: i feel ya cazalla
Vexual: have you seen this show cazalla?
cazalla: yeah ages ago
cazalla: one of the dudes use to make the best hainanese chicken
Vexual: it's only a few months old
cazalla: nah, i've seen something like this years ago
Vexual: thats ages when you started a newspaper yesterday i guess
cazalla: indians been pretending to be australians for donkeys years
Adlai wishes he could monetize dog poop, his puppy marks his territory with the wrong type excrement
Vexual: just like me
Vexual: hmm
cazalla: Vexual, pretty sure full frontal or fast forward did something similar years back
Vexual: stress levels up cazalla? drinkin?
Vexual: it's better now
cazalla: yeah i'm drinking
cazalla: i quit but today is an exception
Vexual: you know, when i hear "monetize dog poo" i feeel challenged
cazalla: i only drink every other day now
Vexual: i know who to call
Adlai: Vexual: doooooit
Vexual: lol
Adlai: poop was not meant to be bagged and burned, it's supposed to return to nature. srsly.
cazalla: call who, i'm not listed anywhere
Adlai would train the pup to poop under bushes and such, but they're too far away from his flat
Vexual: marketing fail
Adlai: my street this morning: http://i.imgur.com/Lkm3nir.jpg
cazalla: fuck where do you live
Vexual: looks like sydney
Adlai: tel aviv
Adlai: about as expensive, relative to median wage
Adlai: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Israel&country2=Australia&city1=Tel+Aviv-yafo&city2=Sydney
assbot: Cost of Living Comparison Between Tel Aviv-yafo, Israel And Sydney, Australia
cazalla: fuck that, who wants to be surrounded by muslims
Adlai isn't surrounded, they're only to the south and they make amazing humus
Vexual: the sydney telaviv similarities continue
Vexual: hoi
cazalla: i don't mind some lebanese chicken but still
Adlai may relocate soon, destination tbd. suggestions welcome.
fluffypony: South Africa
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Vexual: what do you do in south africa, barbeque and network?
Vexual: you guise iz all business huh?
cazalla: come to australia Adlai
Adlai: i have an irl friend in australia, went for work, stayed for a lady
cazalla: yeah, plenty of slags here
Adlai may visit someday, if business brings him anywhere nearby, or better yet - yields purchasing power for such a vacation
Vexual: it's a serious question fluffypony, how does shit work over there?
fluffypony: Vexual: people in Johannesburg work
fluffypony: Cape Town and Durban is more chilled
Adlai: oh durban. another friend got deported from there... this appears to be the national pastime for my age group
fluffypony: lol
Adlai: selling shit nobody needs in malls and airports
Vexual: you get a medal for that here
cazalla: Vexual, and rightfully so, use the navy to sink the boat
cazalla: boats even
Vexual: yeah th erents higher than stoolspace for a robocoin tho
Vexual: you called australia a welfare state
Vexual: it's just a police state where the have-nots check in every week
cazalla: it is a welfare state
Adlai: welfare needs some amount of policing or it gets too easily scammed
cazalla: when my grand parents arrived here in the 50s, ya rocked up at BHP for a job, these days, ya rock up at centrelink for a handout
Vexual: for $150 bucks a week, petty criminals are off the streets
cazalla: and there is an interpreter to boot in case ya cbf to learn english
Vexual: yeah, and if you can find a job long enough you get to work there so that anyone competant doesnt wanna go near the place
Vexual: *can't
Vexual: police state
cazalla: i can handle police state more than welfare although both piss me off
Vexual: yeah but either way you can't do shit
cazalla: look, i just want cunts to keep their hand out of my pocket, they can stick their police and roads and ambulances (which don't come anyway, personal experience) and society security and super etc etc up their ass
Vexual: have you ever seen the star force roll out? makes a swat tem look like they got their xanax dose wrong by x
cazalla: nah what's star force, starfox?
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
cazalla: shots fired
Vexual: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-more-guns-after-asis-hotel-bungle-20121231-2c2i7.html when asis became news
Vexual: they all train at the same facility with sas and top cops
cazalla: In 2004 the Howard government re-armed ASIS. <<< they can have guns but we can't, fkn cunts
cazalla: nayway ttyl Vexual, zzz, bit of water before bed eh, feel better tmw
Vexual: moar work
danielpbarron: The CDC was so desperate for cash it set up a system for the donation of bitcoins, dogecoins, anoncoins, and many other alternatives to bitcoin. http://chronicle.su/2014/10/ebola-goes-viral/
assbot: Ebola Goes Viral « The Internet Chronicle
Vexual: you wot?
Vexual: is that a joke? solar powered 3d printers?
danielpbarron: pretty sure it's a joke
Vexual: hammers might go alright tho
danielpbarron: but it reads like the way libertarians expect the world to work
Vexual: how do you mean?
danielpbarron: 3d print everything, fund it with endless altcoins
Vexual: what the fuck even is a libretarian?
danielpbarron: depends who you ask
Vexual: im asking you
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.whiteoliphaunt.com/duckofminerva/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_mabxezBZhb1r0jcrzo1_500.jpg
danielpbarron: a bunch of angsty 20-somethings that think they know how the world should work
dub: gave you seen the movie deliverance?
dub: have*
danielpbarron: me? no.
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dub: its a movie about libertarians
danielpbarron: lol
Vexual: yes
Vexual: i like the banjo music
Vexual: and the fear
Vexual: which ones are the libretarians?
dub: they gone see how good you pray
Vexual: oh
dub: you look might fine in dem blue jeans boa
Vexual: wait so who is it?
Vexual: the hillbillies?
Vexual: or the canoists?
nubbins`: https://docs.google.com/a/metalabdesign.com/document/d/1aL_b_Eq6WKv_u_ZKiPNPBXz5UbuMhi2Xm1AjdsgVER4/pub
assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off
Vexual: lol nubins can you explain america to me?
nubbins`: Vexual i'm afraid i can't
Vexual: i guess ill just light this hugemungous bifter then
nubbins`: you don't have libertarians in oz?
dub: have you seen the movie wolf creek?
Vexual: ive never really used the term
Vexual: yes
Vexual: whick ones the liberachi?
nubbins`: tight pants
Vexual: what?
fluffypony: this Moolah thing is beyond funny
Vexual: theyve all got tight pants, this makes less sense than chess
nubbins`: fluffypony: "moolah.io" sounds fairly similar to the korean "molla-yo", which means "i don't know"
fluffypony: lol
Vexual: can you do it with spongebob and ariel
punkman: 5JcFbz4UahixwJfEMLU2Mj4T3wuGEr2vV48TbYuaySfcf5bqtQG 5J9SnEwZb9JiZv6HJCp299tXC4ZDGuo6N16pRANrtkqzGvvVq3J
punkman: free money
Vexual: punkman, can you explain libretarian to me?
Vexual: oh
RagnarDanneskjol: what coin is that? - free money
Vexual: a redundant one
fluffypony: punkman: such 0.0001
punkman: couple of bundles cause I nuked the db
punkman: but hey it worked for a sec
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etMpCz8eql8
punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: those are called WIF keys
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - I seen dem b4. cool
punkman: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 16 minutes and 24 seconds
Vexual: ill bet bingoboingo can define it. succinct
nubbins`: libertarian?
Vexual: yes
nubbins`: "you don't get to tell me what to do!"
Vexual: oh, am i one?
nubbins`: beats me, do you say that ^ often?
Vexual: effectually
nubbins`: then sure
Vexual: i dn't like labels eithe, is that a thing?
ben_vulpes: <xinxi> hey, I need a market maker for my site. << jurov, thickasthieves, although marketmaking options is playing with hot hot fire
nubbins`: i think that's just called being normal
Vexual: phew
nubbins`: http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg
ben_vulpes: ah that's rich
ben_vulpes: i should change my name to gben vulpes
ben_vulpes: or qnben for max SEO bombs
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: some names are more common than others
nubbins`: actually many mircea popescus, but i suppose that's not too surprising
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69CCsfaZlA
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nubbins`: http://beautifuldecay.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mircea-Popescu-illustration1.jpg
ben_vulpes: the more i think about it, the less visible i want to be
ben_vulpes: once upon a time i wanted to leave a hole upon disappearing
punkman: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 325428 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1163 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36114579164.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.1772
Vexual: roll smaller joints
ben_vulpes: lol Vexual you're asking for a divide by zero
Vexual: bwahaha thats my bro right there
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> hickasthieves << lol there's your new mobile handle, thickasthieves
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nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: hooo-eee!
ben_vulpes: jurov, mircea_popescu, bounce: the state-machine generator Ragel's p. useful for reason-about-able parsing
nubbins`: ben_vulpes you're already more visible than most 8)
nubbins` waves to alphabet employees
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bvanderveen/httpmachine/blob/master/src/HttpMachine/rl/http.rl
assbot: httpmachine/http.rl at master bvanderveen/httpmachine GitHub
ben_vulpes waves too
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm expecting audits.
ben_vulpes: brutal ones.
Vexual: duch comments
nubbins`: ben_vulpes, exciting!
Vexual: *such
nubbins`: too bad btc is considered property here in canada :(
Vexual: here too apparently
ben_vulpes: what btc?
ben_vulpes: i'm too poor for that shit. have you seen the books?
nubbins`: there are books?
ben_vulpes: surprised me too
Vexual: !up xinxi
nubbins`: so namibia has figured out how to stop people from killing rhinos for their horns
Vexual: shoot em?
nubbins`: dehorn the rhinos themselves
nubbins`: catch & release
nubbins`: :0
chetty: ow, poor rhinos
ben_vulpes: <thickasthieves> bubbles come in all sizes << notrly, only 187.5, 375, 750 1.5 and those fuck off big custom ones
ben_vulpes: :P
Vexual: i thought diamonds were the biz there now?
nubbins`: two-industry country, i guess
Vexual: perhaps thats another case of who you know
Vexual: they do gold too
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.64, Best ask: 398.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.97000, Last trade: 396.61, 24 hour volume: 22780.62197345, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.380297893
thickasthieves: hehe i like this typo "its not a bug, its a future"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'insta-zap' this reminds me of the poor, self-deluding fuckers who work at a defense contractor client of mine. "it's different somehow if there's a *camera* on the flying robot", never mind that the algo's to point a gun are a quadratic estimation away from the algos to lock a camera
thickasthieves: works nice for all these vulns being 'discovered'
ben_vulpes: "it's different somehow if we write 'pure' code to do flight path planning", never mind that the flight paths are for killing
ben_vulpes: just pick up a gun and be done with it, ye hypocritical nerds
mircea_popescu: CME Site use GMT-5. CME Charts use GMT-4. << lmao the shit bitbet admin has to put up with
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you got your finger on a sore spot there.
ben_vulpes: this is the "curse of the cool problem" that these over-educated CS people must endure. cannot simply work in salt mines, 'cause inadequately intellectually fulfilling. instead, sell soul to devil, lie about it to self for the duration of life.
mircea_popescu: hey. it's adequate to their needs and aspirations.
ben_vulpes: tellingly, none of them will touch btc.
ben_vulpes: "too volatile".
ben_vulpes: "no economists".
mircea_popescu: the entire "shit in your mouth and think about how you're not" thing definitely manages to keep a bunch of intelligently stupid folk busy.
mircea_popescu: the best makework the devil ever invented. beats the shit out of painting rocks white then turning them over
ben_vulpes: poor children, unable to comprehend the world for themselves without someone there instructing them on what to parse from the atoms a-knocking.
ben_vulpes: "we need safe-by-construction computers in this application. here's 10M."
ben_vulpes: ('safe-by-construction', 'correct-by-construction' - as asciilifeform points out time and time again, these are impossibilities).
ben_vulpes: they do enjoy themselves, and the USG keeps otherwise brilliant and hardworking people from being useful at large.
mircea_popescu: exactly the wordpress problem, repeated.
nubbins`: otherwise brilliant 8)
nubbins`: he's brilliant, except for the fucking idiot part
mircea_popescu: because a bunch of asswipes are pushing out insecure code, and because a bunch of imbeciles heart those assholes,
mircea_popescu: people can't run websites.
mircea_popescu: this is the entire us system, at its core.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg
mircea_popescu: nubbins` happens atrociously often.
nubbins`: no kidding
ben_vulpes: bright folks are easily deluded outside their areas of competence
mircea_popescu: and you know, everyone's hope is that they will live for long enough in a pile of goop made out of copies of themselves big enough that they won't ever have to go face to face with those "evil sociopaths" and "trolls"
mircea_popescu: yet something tells me the recent beheadings aren't excesses, but merely the early drops of a coming avalanche.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/lawsky-stays-lulzy/
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-fall-of-moolah-io/
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/labor-party-australia-cant-ignore-bitcoin/
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/living-room-of-satoshi-packs-it-in/
Vexual: ive decided the pray away the gay tapes are working sine i learned you have a sister
nubbins`: ben_vulpes: that's pretty much btc space in a nutshell
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: whole world, really
nubbins` nods
Vexual: oh shit i am kill
ben_vulpes: cazalla: "per se"
ben_vulpes: (lawsky)
thickasthieves: p3s1 on lawsky article is missing quotes
ben_vulpes: step it up, chief
thickasthieves: also has license mispelled once
nubbins`: lisence
nubbins`: lysense
mircea_popescu: the lynsolence!
ben_vulpes: lisene
nubbins`: lycopene
ben_vulpes: you mispelled it, nubbins`
thickasthieves: btw site pages are loading fast for me now
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves what is it that they were calling it, "a war something or the other"
ben_vulpes: mmm launch day
ben_vulpes: up at 4.20, caffinated by 5.30
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nubbins`: 5:30 :0
Vexual: i get caffinated before i wake
nubbins`: somebody lives on the west coast
nubbins`: it's 10am here
ben_vulpes: he maths! he timezones! he prints shirts!
ben_vulpes: the one, the only, the inimitable!
nubbins`: Vexual i used to, but the IV kept ripping out of my arm while i slept
bounce: thought that coast was deserted except for the hippies
ben_vulpes: nah, it's where the programmers with a care for cost and quality of living reside
nubbins`: ben_vulpes: the peerless, the incomparable...
thickasthieves: war on intelligence?
thickasthieves: not sure what u refer to
ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: yourself as well :P
nubbins`: ;;google it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom
gribble: Bill Hicks - War on drugs - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdS5ZFtpIF8>; BILL HICKS WAR ON DRUGS - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf2fJsBxRc>; Bill Hicks - War On Drugs - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-y-uamSiE>
thickasthieves: myself as well?
ben_vulpes: <thickasthieves> not sure what u refer to
thickasthieves: whas gonon hea?
nubbins`: suppose i should roll down the hill to pick up that pantone swatchbook
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfbvm52G8fE
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> wah.. i searched for it in the logs and everything :< << good example of the persistent connection's utility.
ben_vulpes: one can search, copy, paste, etc without relying on other's mystery meat.
ben_vulpes: (or leaving the comfort of emacs, if one's so inclined...)
Vexual: do you mean outdoors?
ben_vulpes: i emacs outdoors
Vexual: thats right, you do it in bars
ben_vulpes: i do it wherever i pleases! it, *and* emacs.
Vexual: straight pimpin
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgoqrgc_0cM
assbot: JAY-Z - Big Pimpin' ft. UGK - YouTube
ben_vulpes: i ain't got no patience...
ben_vulpes: <punkman> a terrarium for its snakes << DOCKER, YOU FOOLS
ben_vulpes: you're going to put python on an actual system?
kakobrekla: docker is scam.
ben_vulpes quakes in boots
ben_vulpes: python is scam
kakobrekla: scam is scam.
kakobrekla: shit abstractions all the way down to the metal.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just so you know, i'm writing an article because of you.
ben_vulpes: wrap the shit in shit
ben_vulpes quakes again
Vexual: this drowns out the sound of town cars that obviosly aren't mercs
Vexual: i am frighten
ben_vulpes: on a more serious note, i've gotten really great mileage from using docker to santize insane client django stacks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00073725 = 19.4265 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes looks through requirements.txt, sees PIL, GEOS, reaches for docker
kakobrekla: the thing you need to ditch first from above is the 'client' part
ben_vulpes: gotta eat, kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: didn't get in early enough on btctrain
kakobrekla: excuses
ben_vulpes: got a big list
kakobrekla: :)
ben_vulpes: almost as long as my schlong
ben_vulpes: hey, it's the one thing we're actually taught in usschool
ben_vulpes: how to dodge responsiblity for our own poor decisions
kakobrekla: heh
ben_vulpes: oh hey subject of personal responsibility, i saw a direct report's eyes glaze over with adoration and loyalty last night
ben_vulpes: "no no, this is my fault because x, y, z" {x,y,z} being things outside her control and knowledge that she expected to be held responsible for
ben_vulpes: tempered with a brief glare signifying "don't do this to me again."
punkman: just dusted off ancient juicer, still works http://i.imgur.com/eFs13T0.jpg
ben_vulpes: went to grow store, was sorely disappointed by potheads unable to comprehend the utility of grow lights in a warehouse cum office situation and unable to make purchasing recommendations that fell within a reasonable price/quality zone
ben_vulpes: went to home depot (BEZZLE CENTRAL, APPARENTLY)
ben_vulpes: options for lighting are:
ben_vulpes: CFL
ben_vulpes: CFL in housing that doesn't look like a CFL
Vexual: plamsa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00073815 = 10.7032 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: CFL in packaging that FAILS TO DISCLOSE CFL INTERNALS
ben_vulpes: LED bundles
ben_vulpes: and ofc halogen and metal halide bulbs but NO GODDAMN BALLASTS
punkman: "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing"
punkman: fuckers
ben_vulpes: "hello i want to dissipate 60 watts"
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LqBw6FNNng
ben_vulpes: "surely you mean you want the equivalent amount of light from this tiny little zone in the spectrum"
ben_vulpes: "no asshole i want a black body emitter"
Vexual: photosythetic active radiation
bounce: "heat bulbs" http://www.heatbulbs.eu/
assbot: Heatbulbs - The lightbulbs for heating & lightbulbs for decoration
Vexual: whaadday got lizards?
bounce: just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten?
Vexual: ya want a philips plasma thing
Vexual: hoi
kakobrekla: about half of my bulbs at home are led
kakobrekla: cfl in the bathroom cause slow start
Vexual: i bought all leds a while back nd they're all harsh blue
bounce: the ones in use most here are halogen-variety tungsten
Vexual: they make em in any colour now
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> the one, the only, the inimitable! << now reimplement it in gaskell.
kakobrekla: punkman subdomain should be live
punkman: kakobrekla: yeah getting to that http://pastebin.com/fdzWFJQe
assbot: RagnarDanneskjol: !deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deed - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: <punkman> "hello I want a 60watt bulb" "here take this 7 watt stealth CFL, same thing" << lol yup. commerce now meas bait and switch apparently.
kakobrekla: i think i found a bug in DO billing script
Vexual: oldest trcik in the book
kakobrekla: scam everywhere
mircea_popescu: <bounce> just out of idle curiosity, why the preference for tungsten? <<< goes with the preference for emacs. old thing proven to work well.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the wonderful world of computing is becoming dangerous for people able to think on their own.
bounce: that wasn't why I was asking
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu one day ill cut the cable never to return.
mircea_popescu: that'll be sad.
mircea_popescu: bounce sorry, what did i miss ?
bounce: sometimes there's specific reasons why alternatives just won't do. "old and proven" doesn't mean the alternative won't work.
Vexual: my phatographer says tungsten and halogen are diddimilar
mircea_popescu: bounce but you were asking why the preference
mircea_popescu: did you mean to ask "why do you think the alternative won't work" ?
bounce: no, I wanted to know which, if any, specific reason would apply for him.
mircea_popescu: well that's a point.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYi7uEvEEmk
mircea_popescu: ok this bill hicks thing works lol
mircea_popescu: "how about that, people are winning a war and they're fucked up"
punkman: incandescents not that great in the summer
punkman: and who has time to switch them
bounce: secondary ligthing circuits with a master switch in the basement. suddenly, all the light switches control a different set of lamps
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever lived in a room small enough that the lighting fixtures made a noticeable difference.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i routinely use 200W incandescents etc.
kakobrekla: lemme guess, bulb sex?
Vexual: thats not a thing
mircea_popescu: lol no dude, high ceilings
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-why-we-dont-like-how-the-world-currently-works/
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuAw77J8_Y
mircea_popescu: holy shit. keith richards is still alive ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what his heroin habit looks like by now.
Vexual: under control i guess
mircea_popescu: prolly has a can the size of dry protein economy packs.
mircea_popescu: "eight tablespoonfulls should do"
Vexual: amy winehouse only died coz she slowed up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20125 @ 0.00073367 = 14.7651 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: prolly.
pete_dushenski: howdy
mircea_popescu: how's canada ?
pete_dushenski: now that qntra has brought wp and hosting to top of mind, and after i changed hosting platforms, i noticed something odd on my stats page...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the days are getting waaay shorter. no more 11pm sunsets ;(
mircea_popescu: o cuz winter coming up there huh ?
mircea_popescu: im buying light linen suits over here.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: automated extraction of 3d movements from professional porn and cloud-based rendering of your nudes in their place? << o.O
Vexual: you in oz pete?
pete_dushenski: the oddity is that this (http://contravex.com/robots.txt) is the "top download"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not really odd on a new and rapidly growing site.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: surely enough. yellow leaves are clinging on for dear life.
mircea_popescu: Vexual: big first week huh? << huge, but apparently it's a 2nd week.
Vexual: oh, i dont do time
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: did i rate this guy even
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Vexual
gribble: You have not yet rated user Vexual
pete_dushenski: also, awstats is so blatantly superior to any wp plugin i've ever seen. amazing i'm just finding it now!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Vexual he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that.
gribble: Error: 'he' is not a valid integer.
pete_dushenski: Vexual: i'm in canuckistan.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski myeah. also, wp plugins are generally trouble
mircea_popescu: trilema runs on like... two.
Vexual: a month off yyoure dead
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Vexual 1 he don't do time, for ain't no one here got time for that.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: o.O
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because docs.google is too js-y for me.
pete_dushenski: heya Pierre_Rochard !
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: just do money exchange desks << this is exactly what i'm doing.
Vexual: what does pierre rochard do?
mircea_popescu: it requires competence tho.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: assbot: The Great Robocoin Rip-off <<< eagerly awaiting the qntra write-up because docs.google is too js-y for me. << i know two guys who bought these. one of them actually pgps. maybe an interview can be arranged by cazalla or bingoboingo?
Vexual: !up namworld
mircea_popescu: i guess so, even though... how's the interview of a bagholder supposed to go ?
pete_dushenski: Vexual: Pierre_Rochard works at bitpay
Pierre_Rochard: ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Pierre@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014
thickasthieves: !s vancleef
assbot: 2051 results for 'vancleef' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vancleef
pete_dushenski: ;;rated Pierre_Rochard
gribble: You have not yet rated user Pierre_Rochard
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, yeah; i shoulda checked my own version of the logs, or better yet, scroll up one page.. :/
pete_dushenski: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 2 il a la tête sur les épaules
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.
Vexual: qntra comments: leah:source? cazalla:snarky sunt!
pete_dushenski: ;;rated kako
gribble: You have not yet rated user kako
pete_dushenski: ;;rated kakobrekla
gribble: You rated user kakobrekla on Fri Jun 27 18:12:54 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: greaser of #bitcoin-assets wheels. hasn't run off with bitbets.
pete_dushenski: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 runs bitbet like a champ. #bitcoin-assets bots too.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
Vexual: ive never spilled by breakfast whisky reading coindesk
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: interview goes "i would never do this again because las vegas derp is a so-and-so"
thickasthieves: what tips your whiskey these days?
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm still confused by this /robots/txt thing. don't know how it got there, if it's bad mkay, or why it would attract hits/downloads.
mircea_popescu: `jurov`: weird. clicked on comment, again 404 << sounds like some weird yet elusive dns issue.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski robots.txt is by convention a file which describes the site owner's view on robots
mircea_popescu: ie, who, what and how much is acceptable to download. well behaved robots honor it. google does.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a well til. ty!
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE: When the Mycelium Entropy is inserted into the USB drive << see http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/17/proof-that-mycelium-knows-how-to-make-a-better-rng-for-its-entropy-dongle-and-isnt/
assbot: Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thickasthieves: BRK-A down 1.6%!
mircea_popescu: o noes
thickasthieves: :)
RagnarDanneskjol: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2561785-assessing-macro-risks-for-the-4-most-important-berkshire-buffett-stocks
assbot: Assessing Macro Risks For The 4 Most Important Berkshire/Buffett Stocks | Seeking Alpha
mircea_popescu: what is he even holding, i forget. chewing gum, hfcs water and what ?
mircea_popescu: zippers and buttons ?
thickasthieves: wells fargo
RagnarDanneskjol: WFC, KO, AXP, and IBM
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: and ebola is picking up the slack! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebola-spurs-lakeland-stock-rally-040001050.html
assbot: Ebola Spurs Lakelands Stock Rally, Adding $118 Million - Yahoo Finance
thickasthieves: lol
mircea_popescu: wfc is purely symbolic, just an ombillicum to daddy govt
Vexual: if i might descibe some symolism
thickasthieves: wfc does at least seems to be one of the banks moving along better than most
thickasthieves: horrible logo tho
thickasthieves: destined to fail by logo
mircea_popescu: hahaha what a winchel analysis
Vexual: ;;google winchel
gribble: Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell>; Winchel Irrigation: <http://www.winchelirrigation.com/>; Beki Winchel (@bekiweki) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/bekiweki>
Vexual: dat it?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: anyway, nfi what ibm is supposed to do for anyone.
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/RhSJwTC << if anyone is interested in catching a glimpse of contravex's awstats since hosting move on sunday :D
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: from what i gather it's mostly a real estate play by now. sort of catholic church
thickasthieves: IBM probly just makes compuers for NSA and DARPA
mircea_popescu: hardly
thickasthieves: then wtf do they do
thickasthieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: jesus this seeking alpha bs... let's make a derpy article 14 pages long so everyone reding an article does 14+ clicks
thickasthieves: make chess robots?
mircea_popescu: so then we can lie to the advertisers better
bounce: sell software and consulting "services"
mircea_popescu: ^
Vexual: ;;google the significance of the pickle
gribble: Arlo Guthrie - Motorcycle (Significance of the Pickle) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmCwvvwpPAo>; Arlo Guthrie - The Motorcycle Song (The Significance Of The Pickle ...: <http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/arlo_guthrie/the_motorcycle_song_the_significance_of_the_pickle.html>; Arlo Guthrie – Motorcycle (Significance Of The Pickle) Song – Listen ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: basically they're a fatter, older ben_vulpes
Vexual: lol
bounce: get in on the ground floor! invest nao!
mircea_popescu: a olook at that. seekingalpha sends me a popup with no close button
mircea_popescu: dude this shit...
Vexual: well i could tell you the significance of the mickey mouse
bounce: even the mainframe business exists mostly to charge 35k+/month for the licences, or something to that tune
kakobrekla: scam here scam there https://charts.mql5.com/5/959/eurusd-m15-worth-ltd-venetfx-2.png
kakobrekla: pump n dumpers
Vexual: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 396.97, Best ask: 398.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.46000, Last trade: 398.43, 24 hour volume: 22403.83407178, 24 hour low: 386.68, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 400.117740165
Adlai: Vexual: now that's a song i haven't heard in a looooong time
bounce: maybe should check some spam archive or other to see if there's secret pennystock buy recommendations pumping eurusd
mircea_popescu: lol ewro is up nao ?
kakobrekla: totally
mircea_popescu: seems legit
kakobrekla: uhum
Vexual: since down yesterday?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so how much did you save your investors by closing the thing by now ? 5% ?
kakobrekla: if we were to continue as it was?
thickasthieves: kako did they get you with that pump?
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ok this bill hicks thing works lol << guy was a sage
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes.
mircea_popescu: cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu with that last adjustments that were made about flat, without them prolly worse than -5% but i havent checked really
kakobrekla: thickasthieves from the chart id say i got them
thickasthieves: is there a list of winchellese phrases and words anywhere?
thickasthieves: never heard of the guy til now
thickasthieves: sounds fun
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sure, people've done studies
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRpj9mCl0qg
mircea_popescu: doubt anything online tho
thickasthieves: omg why is the internet so lacking in what i want
mircea_popescu: ;;google "and all the ships at sea"
gribble: Walter Winchell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell>; Walter Winchell - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Winchell>; Good Evening Mr. and Mrs. America, and All the Ships at Sea: Novel ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Good-Evening-Mrs-America-Ships/dp/B000C4T22G>
thickasthieves: cut from the berra cloth a but
thickasthieves: bit
nubbins`: ships at sea, huh
nubbins`: ;;google playin my music on the submarines and the boats
gribble: ODB - I Can't Wait (Big Baby Jesus) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYGxyjXrnCk>; Ol' Dirty Bastard - I Can't Wait Lyrics | MetroLyrics: <http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-cant-wait-lyrics-ol-dirty-bastard.html>; Amazon.com: War in the Boats: My WWII Submarine Battles ...: <http://www.amazon.com/War-Boats-Submarine-Battles-Memories/dp/1574887343>
mircea_popescu: Adlai: oh durban. another friend got deported from there... this appears to be the national pastime for my age group << how da fuck do you get deported FROM durban
mircea_popescu: isn't that where they send you ?
nubbins`: ;;google durban poison
gribble: Durban Poison Strain Information - Leafly: <http://www.leafly.com/sativa/durban-poison>; Cannabis Encyclopedia strain review: Durban Poison | Marijuana ...: <http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2013/11/cannabis_encyclopedia_strain_review_durban_poison.php>; Durban Poison // Expert Strain Reviews & Photos - 91LIFE: <http://91life.stickyguide.com/marijuana-strains/durban-poison/>
Vexual: indeed, durban seems like a final destination
nubbins`: durban poison sounds fucking great
Vexual: say that on the flipside
nubbins`: can't, don't have any
nubbins`: it's all kush here in .ca
Vexual: ergot final destination
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/dolar-blue-over-20-argentine-pesos-on-or/ << this has more volume than the last argentine exchange, recently closed down
assbot: BitBet - Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th) :: 7.4 B (42%) on Yes, 10.14 B (58%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 4 days | weight: 46`339 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: unisomething
nubbins`: http://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/fact-fait/ergot-eng.htm
assbot: Ergot and its effect on your wheat grade
nubbins`: more like ergot and its effect on your chemistry lab, amirite?
thickasthieves: that durban poison looks like something i'd eat
nubbins`: looks like something i'd smoke
Vexual: yeah but going to za for durban is like going to tokyo for hamburgers
Vexual: you'll try it and ou know it'll be good, but it's not why you're there
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkjbMoj0JY4
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: decided to try adding pigment to silver base today
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/3uIo3z9
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: verdict: not too shabby
mircea_popescu: aaaannnd ddos is back. round... i forget, 7 ? 8 ?
nubbins`: bbl bank appt
kakobrekla: hack into nsa and host it there
mike_c: has the responsible party taken credit for the qntra harrassment?
kakobrekla: yesterday reddit police came by yes
mike_c: those guys must be really bored. get mp kicked off twitter! ddos qntra!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i doubt the nsa is actually strong enough. their entire shtick is security through obscurantism
mircea_popescu: or whatever it's spilled.
mircea_popescu: shit im on a punroll.
Vexual: typoing liek a champ
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, the "reddit police" was the earlier, muchly belulzed trilema ddos.
mircea_popescu: this actually was... goat ?
mircea_popescu: !s goat
assbot: 565 results for 'goat' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=goat
kakobrekla: !s police
assbot: 653 results for 'police' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=police
Vexual: ! goat + police
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873855 <<<☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:39:56; DowntimeBsns: i'm goat
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873840 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:22; BingoBoingo: DowntimeBsns: Are you the reddit police?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#873841 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 02:37:27; DowntimeBsns: yes
mike_c: uh, qntra.net is resolving to localhost?
kakobrekla: i havent heard this guy 'sueing' anyone - so not goat.
kakobrekla: at least no chaang goat
kakobrekla: some other goat perhaps
mircea_popescu: mebbe. on the other hand, the absolutely only person who would care enough about goat to name goat would be goat himself.
mike_c: i got srsly weirded out there. went to qntra.net/feed/ and the btcalpha rss feed came up.
mircea_popescu: o.O
chetty: ooo marketwatch is down, but I got an email dow is bleeding bad
kakobrekla: goat the chaang doesnt have ddos capabilities
kakobrekla: he can hardly import private key
Vexual: he doesnt have a post to tie himself to
mircea_popescu: he can suck cock, can't he ?
mircea_popescu: this is all derpy anyway, a kid with a wp list and a lousy 3.5kish botnet.
Vexual: it might be huff
kakobrekla: well he can but sucking a cock is not a crime.
Vexual: might be fuckin news ltd
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not a crime, but a means of payment
mircea_popescu: gets you a pack of ciggs or w/e.
Vexual: is he incarceraed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9375 @ 0.00073347 = 6.8763 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: just stuck in thailand.
Vexual: lol
mike_c: not sure if this is part of fighting attack, but feed is returning 403. http://qntra.net/feed/
assbot: 403 Forbidden
mircea_popescu: chetty 16116.85 -198.34 (-1.22%) ?
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants on the whitelist you can just pm me an ip.
mats_cd03: it seems nobody has noticed all of the bugs patched today haven't been properly fixed
`jurov`: punkman: what if coinbr issues you redeemable signed receipt in exchange for your shares,
mats_cd03: they could be used for remote exploitation, e.g. non-browser, non-document things
`jurov`: that entitles you (or anyone who has it) for delivery of these assets to their coinbr acct within 14 days of redemption, plus any dividends in meantime?
chetty: eh -198, that not so bad
mats_cd03: if u r a 0day hunter... get on it and make some monaaaay
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 why does it seem nobody has noticed lol
mats_cd03: well, they weren't patched. thats mostly why.
mircea_popescu: jurov that leading quote is the substance of annoying. anyway, "anyone who has it" can backfire massively.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 o you meant by the victims, nm.
`jurov`: um... it's up to him to keep it secret, no?
`jurov`: or he can give it to someone else
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tES3mcwS8EQ
`jurov`: he has to trust me i won't leak it anyway, not sure if that can be solved
mircea_popescu: better if you require explicit assignation
mircea_popescu: not to mention it motivates him to finish the deeds thing already :D
`jurov`: i'm trying to figure out a way for poor qntra writers to have their shares, too, while avoiding freeloading
mircea_popescu: i know. but i mean, issue it in his name/gpg key, and require that in order for a third party to benefit, there must be a deeds registered, signed assignation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2175 @ 0.00073457 = 1.5977 BTC [+]
`jurov`: yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr"
`jurov`: and then empty accounts don't pay monthly fee
Vexual: this is like when my car bacfired out the front of the meachanics shop and they thought i had a gun
punkman: `jurov`: I had pretty much the same idea, was gonna ask
punkman: maybe I fund and account at coinbr with 0.1 and you mark it as frozen?
Vexual: nah man, im here to give you money
kakobrekla: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
`jurov`: punkman thing is, it isn't coded yet. so far we can just make a deed about the loan with above conditions (14 day redemption)
mircea_popescu: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" <<< this may be a better idea, run your own fund i guess
`jurov`: and you'll need an acct only on redemption
punkman: ;;ident `jurov`
gribble: Nick '`jurov`', with hostmask '`jurov`!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is not identified.
jurov: ;;iden jurov
gribble: Error: "iden" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;ident jurov
gribble: Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is not identified.
jurov: mkay
jurov: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e3039a807de091554a4ed03c10aadf7def402a5268d9e4cbe87e4bab
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
mike_c: so this is it, SSL is dead now. crazy.
Vexual: are you being funny?
punkman: mircea_popescu: my shares to be sent to jurov whenever the board pleases
mike_c: possibly unintentionally. i just mean that it is now going to be widely discarded instead of narrowly discarded.
nubbins`: i wonder is goat actually in thailand?
ben_vulpes: mike_c: to what are you referring?
Vexual: yah bankok
mircea_popescu: the recent soup of holes
mike_c: poodle.
Vexual: awful place
nubbins`: never been
nubbins` shrugs
mike_c: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/10/this-poodle-bites-exploiting-ssl-30.html
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: This POODLE bites: exploiting the SSL 3.0 fallback
nubbins`: last address i had for him placed him in the usa
jurov: mike_c: in favor of what? i don't see any scramblingo to implement,. say gpg signatures support in browsers
Vexual shugs
mircea_popescu: what's to stop em ?
ben_vulpes: <`jurov`> yes, but i'd have to track it then.. better just add a button "loan the shares to coinbr" << not at all, just import all the keys and verify all the sigs at transfer.
punkman: http://openpgpjs.org/
assbot: OpenPGP.js | OpenPGP JavaScript Implementation
bounce: somebody did, then the thing broke
mike_c: in favor of TLS. don't worry, that one is secure!
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha okay
punkman: and if you want more lulz https://www.igolder.com/pgp/encryption/
assbot: PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder
bounce: there was "firegpg" for a bit. aparently there's "webpg"
Vexual: nubbins`: if you can hang onto your wallet it's not bad
nubbins`: never trust a man named jared
jurov: but i mean on same level as tls is now
bounce: oh, "mailvelope"
mircea_popescu: "Since August 1st, 2013 iGolder is no longer accepting new accounts and balances can only be redeemed. During the past years, we have been recommending Bitcoin more than our own payment system. We believe in physical gold ownership, and developed iGolder as a mechanism for people to acquire physical gold by trading with one another."
jurov: ben_vulpes: that doesn't preclude circulation of duplicates
mircea_popescu: more power to them
mircea_popescu: https://www.igolder.com/pgp/encryption/ << someone explain to me how is this a tool.
assbot: PGP Encryption Tool - iGolder
mircea_popescu: so send your plaintext over https to a server, which then gives yo ua safe token for your correspondant
mircea_popescu: couldn't you do the same sending https email ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: what does a duplicate matter?
jurov: ben_vulpes race conditions who will redeem it first and such mess
jurov: not to mention if someone succeeds to sell and circulate them further, coinbr will be blamed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00073334 = 27.9769 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: well race condition only happens if someone sells and signs on to two seperate parties
jurov: yes, that's what i mean
ben_vulpes: brings us back to trusting humans
ben_vulpes: eg, cazalla counterparties trusting him to not resell
ben_vulpes: you just hold a hard line
ben_vulpes: "first to the gate"
jurov: could be fun, i agree
ben_vulpes: keys -> accountability
jurov: ikr. but some setups have bigger mess potential, other ones less
jurov: and the benefit isn't so big
Vexual: quit your crying you havent fucked up yet
jurov: lol.. should I? to learn faster?
mats_cd03: yes
Vexual: hell n, do what your doind, no discounts
nubbins`: https://www.facebook.com/jared.cxzy
nubbins`: 90% sure that's goat
mircea_popescu: lol another dude named jared ?
Vexual: whaddayyou fuckin high nubbins, whadda you care?
nubbins`: sorry, 100% sure
Vexual: its him
nubbins`: Vexual actually sober, caffeine aside
Vexual: i wouldnannah said it otherwise
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/FBIomJR
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: dude looks like a bag of dicks
nubbins`: woah, he actually has a kid hey?
Vexual muttleys
nubbins`: hey now
nubbins`: ah heh, this one was his avatar on the forums for a while
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/trZG4xZ
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Vexual: everything is so proud
Vexual: hes got like 12 million domarions and a shotgun too
Vexual: *spotty dogs
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the miracle of professional photography eh ?
nubbins`: no kidding
ben_vulpes: that hair
mats_cd03: nubbins`: dat goat?
nubbins`: yeah
mats_cd03: kek
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i should change my name to gben vulpes <<< maybe gben vulpes-fuckin
Vexual: i prefer benkay
mircea_popescu: http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg << ahahaha WAT
Vexual: k is the ninth letter bit i call him ben10
Vexual: vuples the mexican is good too
nubbins`: mp inorite
nubbins`: http://www.runstop.de/streetparty22.jpg
nubbins`: ^ this man shares my name
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0Dm-OaTNk
Vexual: bacon? eggs?
xinxi: Vexual - it’s must be quite late in au now.
Vexual: yes my dentis appointment
Vexual: 2:30
nubbins`: am?!
nubbins`: does your dentist also sleep upside-down?
Vexual: must be quite late in bejing also
nubbins`: where can i buy gallons of speedball silver acrylic?
Vexual: yes, he works nights
Vexual: silver acyrilis?
TomServo: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/schneier-censored.htm
TomServo: "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story."
TomServo: Fuck you, Bruce.
Vexual: easy tiger
bounce: because the only thing that matters is the story?
xinxi: It’s 11:45pm in Singapore.
xinxi: I live in SG.
nubbins`: 1:15pm here in god's country
Vexual: longitudes a funny thing in this world
bounce: because youse blest and the rest of the world's pinko commie furriners nohow
Vexual: i suppose your adressing nubbins`
nubbins`: bounce pretty much
mats_cd03: newfoundland?
nubbins`: mats_cd03 yep
nubbins`: 709 represent
mats_cd03: i'm sorry
nubbins`: blow it out your ass
mats_cd03: huk
Vexual: nice to meet you xinxi, goodevening all
nubbins`: peace
xinxi: nice to meet you too.
nubbins`: vexual using tor
nubbins`: imagine
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY3_s1-yhWQ
assbot: Waterman & Milley - For Ted When He Dies - YouTube
BingoBoingo: woke up to this solicitation http://dpaste.com/33C9NER
assbot: dpaste: 33C9NER
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, what an opportunity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16106012 BTC to 16`164 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 5.30186800 BTC to 171`028 shares, 3100 satoshi per share
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, did you redirect him to coindesk ?
nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.81893928 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 506 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Just did
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: coindesk: we swear it's a news site
xinxi: I am very happy to see that there is some liquidity in my site now. If you need a fair market to trade bitcoin options, you can come. https://coinut.com
Apocalyptic: xinxi, is there a way to view the orderbook without being logged in ?
xinxi: sorry, currently no. there are many expiry dates and a few assets. it’s going to be a lot data.
Apocalyptic: I don't see the relevance regarding who do you display this to
xinxi: Oh, as some people trade options here, and since MPOE is down. I guess some of you may need it.
kakobrekla: xinxi in the faq, the first question is 'who are you' which is encouraging, but the answer is written for 'what is this'
jurov: ;;rate xinxi 1 b-a voice, coinut.com - we'll see how it goes
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
jurov: xinxi you aren't registered?
xinxi: wangxinxi
jurov: ;;rate wangxinxi 1 b-a voice, coinut.com - we'll see how it goes
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wangxinxi has been recorded.
xinxi: Thank you!
xinxi: sorry, where is the FAQ? I cannot find from the bitcoin-assets.com
jurov: go to wiki
kakobrekla: here: https://coinut.com/faq
xinxi: I see. I guess you need this: https://coinut.com/about
jurov: !up mechtronic2001
ben_vulpes: sweet my personal gmail's down
xinxi: Thanks for pointing out. I thought that people are more interested in what we do.
Apocalyptic: xinxi, did you code the page yourself ?
xinxi: yeah, I coded every line.
ben_vulpes: xinxi: gpg key on about page mebber
Apocalyptic: what do you use "<input name="wtd" id="wtd" type="hidden" value="FO99eyNNpUDpIlgY">" for ?
kakobrekla: csrf?
xinxi: it’s for session tracking.
xinxi: if the user does not support cookie, the site will still work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11703 @ 0.00073435 = 8.5941 BTC [+] {2}
xinxi: ben_vulpes - you mean I should put my gpg key on my about page?
xinxi: kakobrekla - csrf is impossible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21169 @ 0.00073787 = 15.62 BTC [+] {2}
xinxi: the session id cannot be used to login.
assbot: PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up PinkPosixPXE
kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE
kakobrekla: lel
kakobrekla: !down PinkPosixPXE
kakobrekla: no free voices.
kakobrekla: !up PinkPosixPXE
PinkPosixPXE: thank you
kakobrekla: return one to bb.
BingoBoingo: plz thnx
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/
assbot: Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | Qntra.net
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/
Apocalyptic: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20141015.txt
Apocalyptic: today it's openssl
nubbins`: anyone able to link good articles about GPG contracts? (aside from the one on trilema)
xinxi: ubuntu stil has no update.
Apocalyptic: neither has debian
kakobrekla: fuck you im installing windows
kakobrekla: xp
BingoBoingo: ME
Apocalyptic: heh kako, at least move to ms-dos then
BingoBoingo: MS Xenix
danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use
Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, it's not only that, they are trying to reinvent a better wheel, because they know better
danielpbarron: a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You considered producing any text for qntra yet?
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, i would like to in the future, but i don't have time for it in autumn
danielpbarron: i can barely keep up with -assets
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah, just remember it is an option if you find a bit a spare time and a thing not covered
danielpbarron: i have free time for most of the year, just not for these few months
BingoBoingo: Happens
danielpbarron: and of cousre autumn is when all the interesting things in bitcoin happen :/
danielpbarron: i really like the idea of working for shares
BingoBoingo: Fall is indeed the season for drama
ben_vulpes: drama mode
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i might do a practical writeup on gpg contracts
nubbins`: background theory + nuts and bolts + examples
xiando: mister Draper is moving his coins. https://blockchain.info/address/16cTyJLWbXQz3UZ3sYjy6A6VGX4sAqiEo1
assbot: Bitcoin Address 16cTyJLWbXQz3UZ3sYjy6A6VGX4sAqiEo1
fluffypony: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/522353752997892096
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8340 @ 0.00073545 = 6.1337 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: Bruce Schneier Censored by Snowden Censors << wat. backwards headline. s is one of the central snowden censors, afaik.
BingoBoingo: Tensor Tensor!
asciilifeform: 'tenser, said the tensor, tenser, said the tensor. tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun.'
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HFC81Z.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3
ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/504940449157906432
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
jborkl: hello
ben_vulpes: lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party"
BingoBoingo: realzies: http://qntra.net/2014/10/vietnam-prosecutors-reject-charging-bitcoin-traders/ << Interesting to see the Prosecutors recognize of tool of great use in their personal business
assbot: Vietnam: Prosecutors Reject Charging Bitcoin Traders | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: Hello jborkl
ben_vulpes: me: "yeah, taking care of myself would be a good idea. i'll let you know if i get around to it!"
ben_vulpes: jborkl wants qntra shares
BingoBoingo: Well, write?
bounce: gotta rite rite, rite?
BingoBoingo: Well find something and then make it news'd
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> http://djrankings.org/tpls/dj/images/djs/BEN_VULPES.jpg ///thats not our ben
thickasthieves: i tell ya, it aint easy buying a nice computer chair
thickasthieves: i got turned away at the herman miller place
ben_vulpes: www.introducingcarrot.com
thickasthieves: theyre just too busy for my business today
thickasthieves: Staples wouldnt sell me their last best chair either
thickasthieves: "we can order it"
thickasthieves: yeah fuck you
ben_vulpes: don't buy things in meatspace
ben_vulpes: just order from amazon
thickasthieves: no herman miller on there
ben_vulpes: middleman is getting squozed out of existince in this qntry
thickasthieves: i guess i could order one direct without trying it... seems foolish
ben_vulpes: or sit in thing
ben_vulpes: then order
ben_vulpes: SO MANY OPTIONS
BingoBoingo: Remember those couple years when Intel was out of the CPU speed competition http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/15/1251233/pc-world-apple-g5-gets-trounced-by-athlon-64?sbsrc=thisday
assbot: PC World: Apple G5 Gets Trounced By Athlon 64 - Slashdot
thickasthieves: fwiw, the first words on the dealer website: "Welcome to Workscapes. Workscapes is a woman owned business."
thickasthieves: they also dont know how to use hyphens
nubbins`: do not buy a chair without sitting in it
nubbins`: hit up one of the local office furnishing places, fuck staples
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 323749.02 in 152 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.76
ben_vulpes: clearly those people don't understand business
ben_vulpes: it's a business owned woman
BingoBoingo: I'm probably going to have to replace the fan it the laptop again. This time I'll probably buy 5 or so
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "I talked with the Guardian editors about publishing the manual. In the end, we decided not to, because the information in it wasn't useful to understanding the story." << lel
mircea_popescu: !up mpmcsweeney
mpmcsweeney: danke
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jc1d6/screw_you_guys/
assbot: Screw you guys. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mpmcsweeney 1 Stan Higgins
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: d;oh.
mircea_popescu: how about you get with the times ?
mpmcsweeney: haha I still use an iphone 2 :)
mpmcsweeney: well, "use" is a strong word
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: vexual using tor. imagine << it's easy, he just went over to the tor ip and proceeded to push keys until he was let in.
thickasthieves: other than robocoin's shitty numbers, i dont think this while consumer ripoff report is all that convincing anyway
thickasthieves: whole*
thickasthieves: some customers are just assholes sometimes
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to hunt for new and "expensive thing was expensive" keeps introducing noise today.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: october, the OFFICIAL breast cancer awareness month << i think in some us states it's illegal to get breast cancer out of wedlock, or on any other month.
thickasthieves: heh they do have hm chairs on amazone whaddaya know
nubbins`: thickasthieves TBF the robocoin replies were brutal
thickasthieves: yeha i'm not defending them so much as leaving the door open to both parties being asses
nubbins`: "I want to first acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we are working extremely hard, drinking from a fire hose and solving problems, stabilizing the platform AND continuing to improve every day."
nubbins`: srsly though
thickasthieves: i know what it's like to have a vindictive customer turn a small problem into a worse one
mircea_popescu: "This issue affects OpenSSL
mircea_popescu: 1.0.1 server implementations for both SSL/TLS and DTLS regardless of
mircea_popescu: whether SRTP is used or configured."
mircea_popescu: herp
nubbins`: "i want to acknowledge that as with all bitcoin companies, we're a bunch of fuckups who took on more than we could handle and now we need pitchforks to shovel all our excuses"
mircea_popescu: "This issue was reported to OpenSSL on 26th September 2014, based on an original issue and patch developed by the LibreSSL project. Further analysis of the issue was performed by the OpenSSL team. The fix was developed by the OpenSSL team." << gotta love the seething anger.
mpmcsweeney: the part where he pretty much implies that they cant refund the customer until they sell the unit, thats no good
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, saying that would be truthful and "unprofessional"
xinxi: nubbins`: - what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: it'd allow them to grow the fuck up, which is verboten in openssl bruceworld.
nubbins`: xinxi in here, i mostly just modify the S/N ratio. in meatspace, i print things
thickasthieves: mpmcsweeney - customer did agree to a no refund policy
xinxi: i mean your company.
nubbins`: thickasthieves in the guy's defence, he waited six months before his emails even started to turn snippy
nubbins`: xinxi: we print things :D
mircea_popescu: OpenSSL 0.9.8 users should upgrade to 0.9.8zc. << best fucking part. what do they do when run out of minor versions ? use a letter. and when you run out of the 27 motherfucking letters ?
mircea_popescu: use another one.
mpmcsweeney: for sure - just pointing that element out, its a sticky situation nonetheless
nubbins`: xinxi: the text i quoted earlier was from Robocoin
mircea_popescu: soon it'll be "users are advised to upgrade to openssl 0.9.8obamakilledthejews"
thickasthieves: they should just use satoshis
thickasthieves: fuck teh decimal
kakobrekla: nah it will be 0.9.8zzzzzzzzzz
mircea_popescu: they can't use satoshis
mircea_popescu: because nobody knows where satoshi is
nubbins`: anyway
thickasthieves: goat is satoshi i though
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/YLpn8uw
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
xinxi: Oh, robocoin luanched in Singapore.
thickasthieves: t
nubbins`: my sides &c
thickasthieves: lol
thickasthieves: he looks like mega douche
nubbins`: thickasthieves you ever read something goat wrote?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` : in castellan, your sides are called matambres
nubbins`: definitely not satoshi
mircea_popescu: just thought you'd like to know.
thickasthieves: ive read too much of goat
nubbins`: MATAMBRES!
xinxi: god, I should have known it a few months ealier.
mircea_popescu: muy bien!
nubbins`: srsly, they call it castellano in .ar?
mircea_popescu: jesus who;'s that vocational school reject in the pic ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup. most of south america.
nubbins`: same in .pe
nubbins`: colombians i think are an exception
thickasthieves: basically goat only knows how to say "i am awesome, i make lotsa coins, think of me as a financial beast plz!", but in 5000 different ways
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: nubbins`, everyone's too busy reinventing the wheel to take the time to describe the one already in use << this guy is veering into prophetic.
nubbins`: heh +1
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves kinda what makes me think of him as a whore.
nubbins`: your writeup is great for the theory side, i'd like to marry it with something technical
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only group where giving the impression is actually the substance of the profession.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not a bad idea, have at.
bounce: that'd be geishas
nubbins`: man shaves sides of heat, decides to wear a suit and tie anyway
mircea_popescu: i recall pete and maybe ben fox both did something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6357 @ 0.00073545 = 4.6753 BTC [-]
bounce: or pole dancers or any old performers
nubbins`: i have vague memories of both as well
nubbins`: !up devthedev
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
nubbins`: wat?
nubbins`: ;;down devthedev
gribble: Error: "down" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: !down devthedev
nubbins`: up yourself
nubbins`: :/
mircea_popescu: !drown the dev
nubbins`: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: !up devthedev
nubbins`: you owe me like 5 satoshi for this
devthedev: Heh
devthedev: I still can't access Qntra from over here for some reason.
nubbins`: gpg keys in safety deposit box (obfuscated or not): pros/cons?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: read the treasure thread
nubbins` raises eyebrow
BingoBoingo: !s safe deposit box
assbot: 11 results for 'safe deposit box' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=safe+deposit+box
mircea_popescu: you get all the advantages of marking it as valuable with none of the downside of accessibility or deniability.
bounce: sounds like win-win all around
mircea_popescu: all you need is sarcasm.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: not bad, not bad
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816372 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything.
nubbins`: excludes damage from robbery!
asciilifeform: and further down, a few 100 lines.
nubbins`: actually a couple visits ago, they lost the sign-in sheet for my box
nubbins`: "i guess we'll just start a new one"
nubbins`: "actually, i guess i'll have a seat while you find the fucking sheet"
bounce: and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in
asciilifeform: the fiat bank, as at this point even a child knows, is what we in usaschwitz call a 'faith-based institution'
nubbins`: so, TLDR, great for a backup copy of your homeowner's insurance policy but not much else
asciilifeform: the chumpers line up to get boxes, etc. not out of legally-enforceable promise of correct function, but - from faith.
asciilifeform: it's a temple.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: a smart-wheel that spins itself based on distributed consensus << i dunno if you know or not, but this actually is a historical thing, proposed by Villard de Honnecourt. http://history-computer.com/Dreamers/VillarddeHonnecourt.html
assbot: History of Computers and Computing, Automata, The Automata of Villard de Honnecourt
devthedev: I'm slightly worried about the Qntra shares. If the amount of S.QNTR shares double monthly wouldn't the revenue have to double as well to keep up with the inflation?
nubbins`: hmm
mircea_popescu: devthedev in theory, a newsite's ability to earn should be a function of the content it holds.
nubbins`: i'm picturing a repurposed bank vault with gpg access control
nubbins`: i guess i'm actually imagining it, because the nebulous thing in my head right now isn't really a picture
bounce gets the $5 wrench
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's called - vault with rectothermal (or, hammer drill...) access control.
asciilifeform: the weakest link in the system is the automatically the value of x in 'x access-controlled.'
mircea_popescu: bounce> and on top of that, they'll let any old law enforcement take a look-see but should you die, may or may not let your executor in << if they do you can sue, and they will settle.
mircea_popescu: easy way to pay a mortgage.
mircea_popescu: just make sure to name the branch manager and the clerk in the suit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the box contract in all extant u.s. banks, they can simply 'lose' the contents, and max liability is a joke number
asciilifeform: (5 figures)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heres' the funny thing : yes, they can lose the content
mircea_popescu: no, they may not lose the paperwork
mircea_popescu: see the beauty of it all ?
asciilifeform: so the paperwork will state, box sat in good order until such-a-date when god disintegrated it with death ray
asciilifeform: why would they need to 'lose' paperwork.
mircea_popescu: that's why you name the people in question. see if they're willing to lie for the bank or not.
mircea_popescu: gotta help the enemy breed loyalty after all.
asciilifeform: the particular contract i saw specifically waived the right to sue anybody for anything.
mpmcsweeney: all hail our banking overlords
asciilifeform: and these have held up in court, too
asciilifeform: ;;google binding arbitration
gribble: Binding arbitration legal definition of Binding arbitration: <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Binding+arbitration>; Arbitration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration>; Arbitration Basics | Nolo.com: <http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/arbitration-basics-29947.html>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform umm well you need a better contract then
asciilifeform: from bank of mars, yes
mircea_popescu: maybe im behind the times, this was a 2000s event
asciilifeform: definitely behind.
mircea_popescu: o the arbitration thing
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "gotta have 'magistrate' judges and 'arbiters' and anything and everyting as long as it';s not a judge"
mircea_popescu: gotta love these people.
bounce: that should end up a contract with lots of sections elided
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: lady: "maybe you should take a nap before our dinner party" << translation "fuck me!"
asciilifeform: 'arbitration' in usa is a term where the folks who fuck you over with the contract specify that you agreed to use tame judges, of their choosing (who are not in fact judges of the crown) in any dispute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recall ever signing a contract iwth arbitration clauses.
asciilifeform: bounce: feel free to try this. the flunkie will show you the door.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are SOP today, for things as mundane as telephone service.
mircea_popescu: and in a dispute with the romanian immigration service five years ago or so, they brought this objeciton in court, specifically, that i can't sue them before i do arbitration
mircea_popescu: and i said that either they drop it or i sue them and overturn THAT idiocy too
mircea_popescu: and so they dropped it.
mircea_popescu: so in the end i only overturned the dumbass "regulation" they had invented in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one can theoretically try this in usa, but it will cost $maxint. and at the end of the day can end up 'having problems.'
mircea_popescu: yes but what else is a life for, i ask you,
mircea_popescu: other than problems.
mircea_popescu: only thing i ever heard an excited mathematician say was
asciilifeform: well normally the 'problems' generator is used very sparingly, because most folks lack $maxint
mircea_popescu: "this is an interesting problem!"
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: or even $65535.
nubbins`: interesting problems with elegant solutions
nubbins`: i had a prof get overcome once when a student presented a surprisingly succinct proof in ring theory
nubbins`: what a fucking nerd ;/
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: in fact, i know many folks with less than 9 bits of usd at any given moment.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.09873684 = 3.752 BTC [-] {9}
nubbins`: uh, $512?
asciilifeform: aye
nubbins`: we talking in-hand or total life's possessions?
asciilifeform: both, either.
nubbins`: i suppose i do, too
bounce: in-hand can be higher while total worth is considerably less.
mircea_popescu: well sure, plenty of people in their 30s are underwater
asciilifeform: majority, i think
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: anyone with a mortgage, essentially
mircea_popescu: no, because 100mn europeans and 80mn usians are a tiny sliver of a 600mn population in their 30s
mircea_popescu: and in most of the world, 30s is the peak age.
nubbins`: sierra leone, you only got 5 years left at 30
asciilifeform: and the ones not underwater - are one wave away from being under
asciilifeform: one car wreck, disease, bad gamble of whatever kind, etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` as i was explaining to gabriel_laddel coupla days ago, averages are slippery. in sierra leone it's 35 because a bunch of retarded infants die young.
mircea_popescu: if this happened in the us, too, it'd be a much better place to be.,
asciilifeform: ussr did not calculate life expectancy using the retard formula
asciilifeform: if you never lived, you're not part of the equation.
nubbins`: oh, hm. infant mortality. that's a valid point
nubbins`: retrospectively obvious, as well D;
mircea_popescu: averages are really only to be used by qualified people.
asciilifeform: in fact, life expectancy as scalar is retarded.
mircea_popescu: they're the numeric equivalent of nitric acid
asciilifeform: i'm not particularly interested in the chances of having died while 5
asciilifeform: because, well, didn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00073658 = 15.0999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: harder than crypto, tho the fonts of difficulty be well related
nubbins`: wow, actually 56.55 years at birth, sez here
asciilifeform: this is why the machine guns will eventually be taken away from the monkeys.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform statistics is perhaps the hardest thing for the monkey brain to grok << +1
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one of the major pillars of the fallacious theory of "progress" is exactly this. back in 1700, a bunch of retarded kids that should never have lived died before being 21.
jurov: asciilifeform was there a "damage from incorrect date calculation", like in my household insurance?
mircea_popescu: the current day progressive averages all that out and comes up with o wow, "life expectancy has doubled"!!!1
mircea_popescu: in fact, expectancy of quality of life has more than halved
asciilifeform: jurov: nah, i think the y2k crap has all been snipped out by now
mircea_popescu: whereas actual life duration expectancy hasn't much changed. except if you're a retard.
mircea_popescu: which change is both immoral and unwelcome
mircea_popescu: otherwise, seneca lived 94 years just as well as buffett or w/e
asciilifeform: not 'just as well.' immeasurably better
asciilifeform: in what company, think.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: and probably could not even imagine synthetic food, etc.
mircea_popescu: because all the seo experts of his time were dogfood by age 6
asciilifeform: actually, the dogfood mechanism being selective for born seo experts is not a necessary hypothesis
asciilifeform: (valid. but not necessary)
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: where we are now is just as easily explained by crowded world.
mircea_popescu: how did it get to be crowded ?
asciilifeform: in which otherwise functional humans can end up seo experts, also.
asciilifeform: how did << in precisely this way, yes
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: how else.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonces-blockchain-info-wallets-vulnerable/
mircea_popescu: easy enough fix, just bring back the mp education system. examine the kids aged 7, 11, 15 and 19. kill a tenth each time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20421 @ 0.000739 = 15.0911 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22102 @ 0.00073944 = 16.3431 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: it's a business owned woman << i think stating that is a top taboo in teh us.
mircea_popescu: like saying you enjoy the feel of 17yo pussy giving way or something
mircea_popescu: womenz can not be owned!!1
mircea_popescu: do not even joke about it, it's too soon etc.
mircea_popescu: "Of note is the 3.2GHz Pentium 4, coming in competitive with the G5, but significantly behind the Opteron and Athlon 64 systems."" << i wonder if these two share tech.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: amd hired away most of the original dec alpha team. but not all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant intel and apple.
mircea_popescu: they
mircea_popescu: 're both
mircea_popescu: <penguirker> New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/the-register-man-hunts-insufficiently-random-nonce
assbot: The Register: Man Hunts Insufficiently Random Nonces, Blockchain.info Wallets Vulnerable | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: oops
asciilifeform: apple could not manufacture its current x86 product line without access to at least a good subset of intel's 'real dirt', no.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo
assbot: [Wed Oct 15 13:45:20 2014] [error] [client] client denied by serv - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're both dogs of the same sled so to speak
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo < rolfcopter
assbot: [Wed Oct 15 13:45:20 2014] [error] [client] client denied by serv - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: apple was kept alive to play 'good cop' to microshit in the '90s, yes.
thickasthieves: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2014/10/15/stocks-wednesday/17292363/
assbot: Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains
asciilifeform: in other news, 'cryptome' appears to be under heavy ddos.
asciilifeform: somebody really doesn't like the schneier piece? or was it the crown jewels catalogue circa '03?
bounce: it's a ploy to get people to buy more cryptome dvds, I'm telling you
Apocalyptic: thickasthieves, the picture is priceless
asciilifeform: speaking of apple -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/09/apples_kills_super_mario_and_zelda_and_sonic_bastards
assbot: Apple KILLS SUPER MARIO. And Zelda. And Sonic The Register
thickasthieves: traders look like astronauts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00073658 = 16.3152 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: incidentally, the apple emulator ban is an instance of a much larger and more interesting phenomenon.
asciilifeform: same reason hollywood famously let old movies rot in vaults
asciilifeform: the shitmongers are not interested in competing with their grandfathers.
asciilifeform: they would much like to magic away the past. year zero.
TomServo: of course, not when you can 're-imagine' and resell the same POS.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: "reimagine" heh.
asciilifeform: (and, occasionally, lift old wine and sell in new bottle, when no 'up and coming' retard needs to be merit-washed at a given moment)
mircea_popescu: the one thing any entertainer in the world would pay for, would be a memory zap device.
bounce: "who is the zombie now, mister moviegoing fan?"
mircea_popescu: that way he could APPEAR to get better and better to his audience
mats_cd03: Market indexes dive, erasing 2014's gains << good thing i only have to worry about BTC taking a dive
asciilifeform: ;;google melancholy elephants
gribble: Spider Robinson: Melancholy Elephants: <http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html>; Melancholy Elephants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholy_Elephants>; Melancholy Elephants: Spider Robinson: 9780812552317: Amazon ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Melancholy-Elephants-Spider-Robinson/dp/0812552318>
mircea_popescu: 15961.05 -354.14 (-2.17%)
mircea_popescu: gotta say, chetty called it.
mircea_popescu: hey ! mr usg man, play a song for me
mircea_popescu: i'm not sleepy and there is no place i'm going to
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: hey! mr usg man, play a song for me
mircea_popescu: all about how bitcoin's going down and your crock of shit will survive in blank rhyme
mircea_popescu: annnnnnd next time, before thinking about fucking with the bull, think about the horns.
TomServo: Oh, you thought you were milking the cow? We don't have a cow.
TomServo steals.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i think ima submit my first qntra article. this should be fun.
TomServo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtSazFb5qM
assbot: Kingpin--cow milk - YouTube
TomServo: Credit where credit is due. Carry on.
thickasthieves: uh oh mp is gonna print shares
mats_cd03: where do i lay suit?
thickasthieves: this share method is bound to prop up more problems
thickasthieves: i mean i like the idea n all
kakobrekla: !up belcher
thickasthieves: but i suspect there's a reason it aint done this way
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://pastebin.com/q8B0VvBu << for your consideration.
assbot: Title: After defeating it in the Bitcoin market, La Serenissima bleeds the USG a - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: 'The exhibitor, Professor Faber, was a sad-faced man, dressed in respectable well-worn clothes that were soiled by contact with tools, wood, and machinery. The room looked like a laboratory and workshop, which is was. The Professor was not too clean, and his hair and beard sadly wanted the attention of a barber. I had no doubt that he slept in the same room as the figure—his scientific Frankenstein monster—a
asciilifeform: nd I felt the secret influence of an idea that the two were destined to live and die together.'
thickasthieves: mp, qntra being a news site, shouldnt you include some sources for your USG accusations?
asciilifeform: ( http://history-computer.com/Dreamers/Faber.html )
assbot: History of Computers and Computing, Automata, Joseph Faber
thickasthieves: or is qntra to be like zerohedge
mircea_popescu: i dunno thickasthieves, let the editor figure it out neh ?
mircea_popescu: !up khersonu1
mircea_popescu: it's definitely not going to be a sort of citation-needed retardopedia, for that end of things
thickasthieves: word, jusayin
mircea_popescu: aww shit, it bottomed out too ?
mike_c: seems stylistically like a piece for the opinion page.
thickasthieves: or the conspiracy theory page
thickasthieves: i mean i'd love for it to be true
thickasthieves: but i see no usable evidence
mircea_popescu: news, dood. doesn't ask you anything. it just puts the burden upon you to make room for it in your gestaalt as it were
mircea_popescu: that's what's so attractive about the newsman job. you get to rape a bunch of people's heads.
mircea_popescu: !up ll
thickasthieves: not sure i agree on that
thickasthieves: that's why news is dangerous, and why people with that attitude in news are even more so
thickasthieves: of course we may be defining 'news' differently
mircea_popescu: how about "iraq wmds" ?
thickasthieves: ?
mircea_popescu: didja see any facts ? what facts didja see ?
thickasthieves: are you saying 'they started it!' ?
mircea_popescu: nope. im putting some pressure on your quaint but broken notions of truth, factuality and so on
thickasthieves: lies are lies, wherever they are communicated
thickasthieves: news is not lies
mircea_popescu: but things that actually happened that you personaly can't verify are what ?
thickasthieves: not news
TomServo: trilema articles!
mircea_popescu: the word is news.
TomServo: :P
mircea_popescu: lol
thickasthieves: i feel like you arent really mp right now
mircea_popescu: ahahaha good one!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "fuck me" it is that time of the month, yes
TomServo: I'd like to see qntra stick to the (published!) facts, personally.
mircea_popescu: the reason accuracy is a concept at all is that news can't ever be correct. which is why estimates are accurate and calculations are correct.
ben_vulpes: relatedly: why do guys derp on about PMS and not about the ovulation?
mircea_popescu: !s pms
assbot: 65 results for 'pms' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pms
mircea_popescu: shit, we do! who knew!
mircea_popescu: !up berndj
thickasthieves: this is the same as the wot concepts, the including footnotes and source links concepts, etc
ben_vulpes: that's like a third "private messages" a third "project manager" and a third bitchy babes
thickasthieves: news may quote liars, but it may not lie
ben_vulpes: how are ya, berndj
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves looky. factually the btc bottom happened. factually the dow movement happened.
mircea_popescu: what do you contest ? the link ?
thickasthieves: factually i took a shit at the same time too
thickasthieves: maybe i shouold shit more often
ben_vulpes: factually i got a blowjob!
mircea_popescu: well yes. so there yo uhave it : any way you go about things you're going to be selecting something.
thickasthieves: like zh
mircea_popescu: i imagine like qntra
thickasthieves: well like we've both said recently, cazalla's problem i guess
mircea_popescu: at least it gets to be an exciting, interesting job.
kakobrekla: !up berndj
kakobrekla: !up adrrr
kakobrekla: !up Lee-
mike_c: you don't have to like every article.
thickasthieves: i'm having trouble seeing the value in S.QNTR shares
mircea_popescu: !up kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> womenz can not be owned!!1 << the line is that humans cannot be owned, and it's only spouted by those who've not realized they're owned
thickasthieves: they constantly dilute, except for core owners
mircea_popescu: no, they constantly dilute except for active writers.
kakobrekla might be expecting someone
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> no, they constantly dilute except for active writers. << clever
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mpex ipos are nothing if not experiments.
mike_c: they don't constantly dilute
mike_c: they dilute in a geometrically decreasing fashion
ben_vulpes: i envy your playground mircea_popescu
adrrr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e27HQHKazuU
ben_vulpes ponders
ben_vulpes: nah, i got my own
thickasthieves: ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i can see it.
thickasthieves: so they stop diluting?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves he means that by the time there's 10bn, a few more added won't make a difference
mircea_popescu: you know, LIKE SATOSHI DID IT
ben_vulpes: i ain't no dissembler
thickasthieves: they also wont be worth striving for
mircea_popescu: ideally people do their job because of their job, not because of their carrot
thickasthieves: :/
thickasthieves: you put out a carrot and then say, oh dont worry about that
bounce: colour me conservative, but I expect news-writing on a news-site
thickasthieves: do it cuz you want to
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves exactly!
thickasthieves: :/
thickasthieves: i think doing it for the equity is great
mircea_popescu: bounce so they can't report on derpy stuff like moolah or w/e ?
mike_c: bounce: in the lifestyles section? or the opinion page? or the comics page?
thickasthieves: it's literal stake in what you do
thickasthieves: but the inflating shares bring issues
thickasthieves: there's also an ironic conflict of interest for 3 owners in writing
mircea_popescu: yes thickasthieves. the issue is as follows : no matter how much fun you'll have, there's more people making more people having more fun than you out there.
bounce: does qntra have those?
mike_c: they have categories. same difference.
kakobrekla: !up xe4l
bounce: hmhm so it's a blog after all
mike_c: or a newspaper
mircea_popescu: everything';s a blog after all.
thickasthieves: it's just database
mircea_popescu: the blog is the superset of the written word. tom sawyer is a badly implemented blog.
mike_c: not even any css
bounce: then there's no point in trying to be different, is there?
mircea_popescu: different from what ?
kakobrekla: blog is buzzword
thickasthieves: well the trying t be different, i thought, was to eschew now-common problems in news
thickasthieves: like shilling, lying, etc
bounce: well, why do you submit something to qntra that would do peachy fine on trilema?
thickasthieves: cuz ideas!
bounce: oh. ideas.
mircea_popescu: bounce think about it, if i never submitted anything to qntra wouldn't ppl want to know why i don't ?
thickasthieves: this sounds a bit like the colored coins conversation ;)
bounce: you're rooting for the tin foil hats that speculate you'll get paid to not write for qntra?
kakobrekla: cept we are being coloured
jurov: this is an editorial not an article
thickasthieves: retrofitting problems to solutions
mircea_popescu: bounce lol i think im good either way, not about to starve if they reject my contribution :D
bounce: right so
asciilifeform confesses that he isn't terribly fond of the qntra articles to date. nothing against the folks who wrote them! but because the entire 'bitcoin news' sphere - not only reportage, but the subject matter per se - is permeated with spam oil.
asciilifeform: and the smell comes through
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see your angle. if you feel like doing one sometime...
BingoBoingo: qntra prolly ought to grow to include editorial eventually. cazalla's decision as to when
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's the thing, i couldn't possibly write one and have it be any more 'on subject' than yours above!
thickasthieves: it's just new, we are indeed trying to judge a toddler like an adult
thickasthieves: shows our interest though
thickasthieves: which is good
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves wel no, this is the sort of shit that happens. one day cazalla was minding his own fucking business. suddenly, it's "make a news site!" then the next week it's ddosed to hel, and then the next week it's "here's an artikcle from mp, everyone in chan wants to make a call, it's on your head. make a decision"
Apocalyptic: %d
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: i'd argue that it isn't simply too new, or done improperly in some way. but - does wrong job.
mircea_popescu: never a dull moment.
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thickasthieves: we have blogs, we have shit news, now we want qntra
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean wrong job ?
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: imho folks who think 'hate shitnews, gonna make my own nyt and forbes, with hookers & blackjack' are missing some of the problem
asciilifeform: i'll give example
asciilifeform: 'the fall of moolah.io'. 'lawsky stays lulzy.' 'butterfly turds something-or-other.' etc
thickasthieves: right
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: i think in usa this is called 'framing'
asciilifeform: or maybe not
thickasthieves: the b-a culture and btc culture is leaking
devthedev: framing?
asciilifeform: but the subject matter itself is the problem
bounce: framing.
asciilifeform: rather than execution
bounce: putting stuff in suggestive light
asciilifeform: wrong word, nm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you want, get a better army ?
thickasthieves: i think execution is part of it though
mircea_popescu: from where, heaven ?
mike_c: the lawsky title was a bit silly for my taste, but the content was useful to me. i'm glad i read what happenned.
asciilifeform: qntra lifted the choice of subjects from the turdmeisternews
thickasthieves: you can tell when qntra is trying to be cold, and when it's catering to b-a readers
mircea_popescu: that was baked in the design. "take their subjects, write them better"
asciilifeform: example of -interesting- and genuine news - mp's piece. but he can't cough up the actual intel to substantiate the piece, that would aid the enemy.
bounce: headline writing is a fine art though. news shops have people that specialise in exactly that.
mike_c: if you just want occassional useful articles, read blogs.b-a.
mircea_popescu: bounce very true. im hoping someone will emerge
mircea_popescu: probably out of the ba chickdom.
mike_c: if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra.
asciilifeform: ^
thickasthieves: when i worked at newspaper, headline writing was mostly editors job
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BingoBoingo: !b 2
BingoBoingo: Missed
thickasthieves: writers (and even layout people) would write placeholer headlines
thickasthieves: and editor would adjust
mircea_popescu: i think mike substantially has it, tbh. that's pretty much the mission.
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> if you want to know all the stupid shit that is hapenning, not told to you by idiots, read qntra. // that's probably the best definition of what it does
mircea_popescu: i mean sure in time it can branch out and grow and w/e, but as an anchor, that's how it was born
asciilifeform: perhaps i simply don't like the dish, and should not bash the cook.
bounce: there's more or less three candidates, given the wordcount rule
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idea being, everything needs to be done. cables are needed too.
mircea_popescu: even if "cables are ugly" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: bounce candidates to what ?
asciilifeform: one of the problems i always had with 'news' is the regurgitation
mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker
TheBroker: ;;gpg eregister TheBroker 2AB7FCD6D06C6433
asciilifeform: true newsman, imho, actually goes places and lifts facts from the earth, not cut&paste.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps to bitcoin assets
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mircea_popescu: ah there you go!
thickasthieves: my main gripe with news is when it's propaganda or meant to manipulate
asciilifeform: that's everybody's main gripe, but leaves certain things in the shadows
bounce: first it's got to steal your attention, then it's got to keep it, then it's gotta fill the article, then it's got to pad the wordcount
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves news will have a pov. want it to or not.
mircea_popescu: bounce my idea was to make it contrary forces. so the wordcount should result like the stuff in colorado, a splendor.
asciilifeform: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
asciilifeform: (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243717585684194@naggum.no.html )
assbot: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive
thickasthieves: lol every article should say how many shares it made at the bottom
asciilifeform: here are some imaginary examples of actual 'bitcoin news'
mircea_popescu: emacs can tell you :D
asciilifeform: picture a blog where some chap analyzes latest crapware, and posts reverse engineer autopsies of samples which somehow concern btc.
asciilifeform: or one where a fellow who owns some big iron (several hundred cpu, perhaps) walks the blockchain every day in search of strange
mircea_popescu: this is not news stan. this is science publications.
mircea_popescu: this is the stuff that blogs are made for.
thickasthieves: like organofcorti
mircea_popescu: quite.
cazalla: well see, qntra is titled news, views and commentary so thickasthieves, you are quite welcome to submit an article in response to mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: or by an anonymous kid who plants wifi bugs, which forward captures to his wpa cracking cluster, around usg facilities
cazalla: and gee i had a few too many last night
thickasthieves: heh
asciilifeform: i could go on forever
mircea_popescu: cazalla what, that means i'm in ?
thickasthieves: maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model
thickasthieves: probly more suited to mike_c tho
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, yes but a little reminiscent of when the stooge is told to give a check to the tangiers lol he does as he is told
mircea_popescu: TheBroker put that text blob in gpg to decode it
asciilifeform: qntra reads just like ordinary newspaper! 'company c now selling turd t.' 'company s having supply chain problems with their shit.' 'politician p derps on topic t.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well guess why!
BingoBoingo: <thickasthieves> maybe i'll submit an article about the problem with qntra share dist model << Qntra shares embody MP view of wealth as % of math rather than number ot tokens
cazalla: qntra authors are compromised because yesterday mircea_popescu organises hosting, today he wants to be an authour!
thickasthieves: you three get shares for each article too right?
thickasthieves: your own articles i mean
thickasthieves: i know you get them for others
bounce: "free software a mediocre idea" oh well
cazalla: yes, we can earn from the pool as well
thickasthieves: so while qntra has the least income, and needs the most from few (as in it's founders will work for equity only at start) it's founders and groundfloor employees get the most equity
thickasthieves: this leads to income eventually
asciilifeform: how is it supposed to generate income again?
asciilifeform confused
thickasthieves: which by then shares are very diluted for everyone but 3 founders
thickasthieves: i just cant sort why owning shares and holding them will ever be good
thickasthieves: and if that is true
thickasthieves: its never good for market buyers either
mike_c: thickasthieves: you see peterl's article on it?
thickasthieves: i havent no
mike_c: !s from:peterl qntra
assbot: 2 results for 'from:peterl qntra' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Apeterl+qntra
thickasthieves: which is his blog?
mike_c: http://blog.btcscoop.com/infinitely-inflating-stock-s-qntr/
assbot: Infinitely inflating stock S.QNTR | BTC Scoop Blog
cazalla: i think coindesk got to thickasthieves
thickasthieves: peterl's conclusion seems to be that only buyers of shares would logically be donors
thickasthieves: make people spend shares to read it i guess
mike_c: cazalla: suggestion: pick a reasonable set of categories (8-10?) and apply to all articles. this would allow for sections and filtering.
mike_c: additional tags of course don't hurt anything
cazalla: mike_c, we've been adding categories as we go so they will expand over time, not that fussed on tags though tbh
thickasthieves: possibly, the only ways for qntra shares to go up in value would be divs becoming great, or somehow closing the loop by having a way to 'spend' shares.. but at that point all you did was make an altcoin
mike_c: but if you have a core set of tags it is easy to have finance page, legal page, editorial page, etc. (this is what I would want, perhaps not widely desired).
mircea_popescu: <bounce> "free software a mediocre idea" oh well <<< who ?
thickasthieves: also could look at it from the feeds point of you
thickasthieves: maybe mike_c only wants to follow one category
mike_c: or perhaps tat wants to ignore certain categories (like commentary)
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mircea_popescu: mike_c wow i hadn't either.
thickasthieves: hey i like mp's commentary
thickasthieves: but it aint news
mike_c: neither is the editorial section of the paper.
thickasthieves: if i wrote an article saying that mp wrote the article, thats news :)
thickasthieves: Romanian Blogger Makes Startling Accusations About US Bitcoin Manipulation
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves bad title tho. i got better titles than blogger, and the big thing there is the dow manipulation
mike_c: another section of the paper that isn't news: classifieds! put the otc order book out of bizness and makes shareholders happy.
thickasthieves: mp i admittedely didnt put my all into the headline
asciilifeform: it's more or less out of business for ages
mircea_popescu: Romanian Billionaire And Unrepentant Murderer of Anton Derpopoplus Claims Foreign Interest Manipulate Dow
thickasthieves: mp just write all your articles for qntra about your articles on trilema and i'll be happy lol
mircea_popescu: lol
bounce: Unrepentant Romanian Claims Foreign Interests Manipulate Dow
thickasthieves: !up peterl
mircea_popescu: Breaking : A Trilema Article I wrote about a Song I wrote about some Music I wrote.
peterl: hi, I think you misunderstood the conclusion of my article
thickasthieves: ok
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thickasthieves: fix me
mircea_popescu: ;;rate TheBroker 1 Broker.
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peterl: at first, the people buying shares of S.QNTR will be donating to authors
peterl: but eventually the paper might make money
asciilifeform: how?
peterl: so people will be buying shares to get a part of the income
cazalla: punkman: just dusted off ancient juicer, still works http://i.imgur.com/eFs13T0.jpg <<< i've got a juicepresso, fkn thing is great after drinking the previous night
thickasthieves: wouldnt it require a drastic amount of money though, the more time passes and shares are created?
devthedev: Yes
peterl: how to make money? sell ads or subscriptions or classifieds or whatever
asciilifeform: ads?
thickasthieves: the curves can easily be unfavorable
asciilifeform: to whom?
thickasthieves: and likely will always be unfavorable
peterl: but if they make some money, then it will be shared among the shares
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the newspaper business isn't really for poor people ya know.
peterl: so the price might be really low, but it will still be some positive number
asciilifeform: i confess that i'm seeing a perpetuum mobile, but, 'this time it'll be different, we're using 6061 instead of villard de honnecourt's oak !'
thickasthieves: IPOing isnt really for nonincome businesses
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: *6061 aluminum
peterl: but anybody can see the inflation coming, so the whole market will discount the share price as appriate to compensate between "profit now" and "profit later"
mats_cd03: it sounds like mp has implicitly agreed to be the hearst/murdoch of qntra
thickasthieves: in that case, no need to be a public co
thickasthieves: just pay people
mircea_popescu: no need, sure.
mircea_popescu: so ?
peterl: already there are some bids up for S.QNTR, some people are being generous to the authors, some not so much
asciilifeform realized that he simply regards william randolph hearst's basic invention (mass news) as fundamentally pernicious, and not something that 'good folks can do right because they're good and hearst is evil'
thickasthieves: well think of this conversation as informing to potential investors that this isnt really an investment to expect gains from, other than knowing your favorite news source will continue to exist
mike_c: what?
mike_c: ok, i'll write it up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more to it than simply that, i suspect.
asciilifeform: mass news and derp are inseparable in my head. perhaps one can have one without the other, but that's not unlike a unipolar magnet.
mircea_popescu: well, i suspect there's a lot of unresolved questions in there.
asciilifeform: in some 'unconventional' models of physics, they exist.
peterl: thickasthieves: hopefully investors are smart enough to read the listing and understand what is going on
thickasthieves: and yknow, i'm not saying i wouldnt buy shares just to support it
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what are yu saying lol.
asciilifeform: i was very unsure re: this hypothesis prior to qntra
asciilifeform: but now i strongly suspect that it is true
mircea_popescu: for one thing, every news outlet to date, pando, gawker, you name it, was started with a nest egg and no perspective to make money.
devthedev: I hope it turns out okay for authors too, we'll have to wait and see.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, whatsapp has yet to make any money. etc.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, s.qntr is only slightly better than the blue chip fiat company.
mircea_popescu: sure.
thickasthieves: i dont care about bluechip fiat co
mircea_popescu: right.
peterl: people are buying with the hope they might make some profit in the future
mircea_popescu: but whatever you care about, that's what alternatives investors have.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla can you explain that 4plebs img thing ? i dun have the context. <<< ANZACs go off to fight for the country, ya know, cis gendered men who promote the patriarchy, meanwhile all the leftys move in to Melbourne, meh wtf do i know anyway
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ANZAC
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mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: so it's one of those "while you're away at boot camp your wife is sucking snails out of the lesbian couple next door" ?
thickasthieves: would qntra be interested in some logo mockups? i wont be offended if you dont use any, i just think it makes a create letterform
cazalla: mircea_popescu, pretty much
thickasthieves: great not create
thickasthieves: not sure if ur outright anti-logo
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves gotta talk to cazalla
thickasthieves: i am!
asciilifeform: another observation re: qntra. recall mircea_popescu's point about synthetic tomatoes?
cazalla: thickasthieves, not at this time but thanks
thickasthieves: word
asciilifeform: how we don't actually have more food today than in 1700, just greater quantities of food-like substance that staves off starvation
mircea_popescu: yeah, i recall it.
asciilifeform: well, if we were to go back to actual food, we would have to get used to perhaps 1/1000 as much of it mass-wise as we had 'food.'
asciilifeform: well, same applies to news.
thickasthieves: cazalla, may i ask why?
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that an article per day of actually interesting matter happens in the world. at least, not where a reporter can get to it.
cazalla: thickasthieves, because then the discussion will turn to how the logo can be improved and i'll end up focusing on that instead of content
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to follow that model. qntra isn't a seller of 0-dioxin, 1814-equivalent tomatoes, but a greengrocer where they don't hire retards and don't mix shit in the fruit sala.d
mircea_popescu: still a green grocer.
asciilifeform: hm.
cazalla planted his tomatos last weekend
cazalla: tomatoes even, grosse and cherry, put some romas in next month
BingoBoingo: The tomatoes in the garden here are still fucking producing. It nearly frosted 3 weeks ago, but they won't stop this year.
asciilifeform: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-15/fcc-commissioner-butt-dialing-is-taxing-911
assbot: FCC Commissioner: Butt-Dialing is Taxing 911 - Businessweek
bounce: leaving aside "acts of nature", news is created by the doings of people. there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700. if you assume only the top N most important bits are important, then that number stays constant. if you assume the top N% is important, then the absolute number of newsworthy things would likely adjust with the headcount
asciilifeform: bounce: there're a lot more of those around than there were in 1700 << no. there aren't.
asciilifeform: see the tomatoes example.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i didn't get any last year, we had hail proceeded by a 5 day heat wave, that was the end of them
asciilifeform: no more people today than in 1700. fewer. more shaved apes - yes, there are.
asciilifeform: hard to emphasize this enough.
bounce: debatabel. we have a lot more opportunity, if perhaps and arguable less incentive, for not-yet-people to become people.
bounce: s/abel/able/
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Two years ago the bumper crop was brussel sprouts, produced into January
asciilifeform: not sure this happens after age 7 or so.
asciilifeform: physiologically.
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, nice, yet to grow them although i've considered it
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'll have your article up later this morning
cazalla: thickasthieves, deal with it --0-0--- or write an article in response to our commentary :P
mircea_popescu: this bounce-asciilifeform debate will probably live in the annals.
mircea_popescu: i mean... i can see either side of it. wtf to do now.
mircea_popescu: i can tell it's probably an important question.
BingoBoingo wonders why the focus on news exclusively as announcement of what happens now and not as the record historians dig through.
mircea_popescu: because historians are generally regarded like the rats in the sewer
mircea_popescu: they shoulkd be happy to get whatever it is that reaches them ?
thickasthieves: cazalla s'all good
bounce: the essential part seems to be how many shaved apes can become people, ie can become truly important. and this may or may not be limited within a sphere of influence, but there too we've managed to specialise, and multiple spheres are now more feasible.
mircea_popescu: bounce but hear the contrarian view. in 1814, there were about 1k actual scientists in the world, ie, people making their own moral judgements, as independent agents
mircea_popescu: and a few millions lawyers, doctors, journalists and other liberal professions,
bounce: what this does to relative and absolute importance depends on your viewpoint as much as plenty other factors
mircea_popescu: if not idem then at least somewhat approximting the same
mats_cd03: thickasthieves: wut was that site that downloaded torrents for you?
mircea_popescu: today, someone who has the unmitigated audacity to misrepresent herself as "senior" SEC counsel
mircea_popescu: lacks the authority to make a deal in her purported field of expertise
mircea_popescu: forget being an independent agent. she cant' even deal. she's not even a representative.
thickasthieves: mats_cd03 it died
mircea_popescu: what are we talking about then ? the five or so people that mp ?
asciilifeform: to the extent that today's 'news' are worth paying attention to, it is to write the history of mass lies.
mats_cd03: thickasthieves: ya but what was it. i'd like to reproduce it.
asciilifeform: example,
asciilifeform: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-15/ebola-new-infection-at-dallas-hospital-puts-focus-on-health-workers
assbot: New Ebola Infection at Dallas Hospital Puts Focus on Health Workers - Businessweek
thickasthieves: bitfetch.com
asciilifeform: read the one page and think about the arse-mouth gymnastics the buggers are going through to avoid saying 'yep, it's airborne'
thickasthieves: add a search to it and ur golden!
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's obviusly particulate airborne.
asciilifeform: this shit - will be remembered. history of how usa fellated its pistol.
mircea_popescu: which is why and how the entire "don't sneeze on people" thing was introduced.
bounce: apparently "senior counsel" doesn't mean "chief dealmaker". so she's in a position that sounds important but is essentially toothless when it's not about bullying random other parties into filling in a bunch of forms. this phenomenon isn't exactly new.
mircea_popescu: but if so is she, what hope has who ?
asciilifeform: airborne in the sense of, if you want to stand next to the patient and live, wear a suit appropriate for bathing in sarin.
mircea_popescu: jesus that was broken english.
bounce: the sec is more or less a puppet anyway; look into the commentary around the flash crash, esp. the nanex guys
mircea_popescu: so if not her, then who ?
mircea_popescu: if the sec is a puppet, if senior counsel for the sec ~= housewife
asciilifeform: who << shadowhitler?
bounce: around the sec? quite possibly nobody.
mircea_popescu: then who ? who are those numerous people that make news ?
mircea_popescu: so then... no news ?
bounce: sound and fury, signifying nothing.
asciilifeform: yes.
kakobrekla: no news. as no computing.
mircea_popescu: see, the distance between bounce's theory and asciilifeform's practice is that in theory there's a lot of things that aren't actually fouind in practice ?
asciilifeform: unless you - personally - planted a video bug in the toilet stall where ebama fucks his interns, and brags to them about zapping the white man with obola.
asciilifeform: and can prove it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
mircea_popescu: suppose i put this on trilema, right now.
mircea_popescu: do you see pelosi coming out and chastising obama ?
asciilifeform: lol
bounce: could well be an emergent property of our social limits, mind. like how the human social intelect can deal with ~150 "friends"
asciilifeform: yes, in the popular imagination, 'exposing' something is as simple as printing a few words.
mircea_popescu: bounce that's a dubious theory. i don't credit it so much.
bounce: that puts a bit of a damper of how many people you can remember to be important
asciilifeform: in reality, you have to patch into satellite and show him eating the kitten on prime time tv. for a week straight. to have even small effect.
mircea_popescu: bounce in the same spirit (of statistics) : the average bacterium makes no penicillin
thickasthieves: whom is important is dynamic and relative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you've just moved the goalpost ?
asciilifeform: perhaps. given as i'm not even sure there's a game
bounce: it's not impossible, even if hard to see being as it is that same emergent property. so the point is not to discount it too easily.
mircea_popescu: suppose qntra buys mtv, and obama is shown back to back doing that, 18`994 times over two weeks.
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: to quote the teflon don speaking to sam giancanna, "all they got is a tape. let 'em play it 'till they're sick of it"
asciilifeform: this occasionally happens (nixon?) - then muppet is replaced with an otherwise-identical spare, who has not yet eaten the public kitten fillet.
asciilifeform: life continues.
mircea_popescu: so in short : there's not going to be external solutions to internal problems
mircea_popescu: no matter how you bang on it, the shit chip won't suddenly start dropping magic packets.
mircea_popescu: makes sense neh ?
bounce: currently I think the effect is a bit midway. much larger bulk of apes, lower relative yield of persons despite much better all around education(!), still a net absolute plus, but in a sense a disappointing one
mircea_popescu: ah but consider the matter further.
mircea_popescu: a child is conceived. he is healthy. inside his cranial cavity, among water, thin strings of protein run every which way.
mircea_popescu: another child, not healthy. inside his cranial cavity, slightly more water.
bounce: bit of a... paradox perhaps, that improved life circumstances yield a better baseline but a lower top yield
mircea_popescu: and yet... that 2nd brain will never function. all it takes is a little more doping and suddenly you *don't * have a semiconductor
mircea_popescu: you'll have to argue for that better baseline. what's better about it ?
bounce: emergence of a middle class was a bit of a giveaway. increased life expectancy, better literacy all-around, lots of little stuff. life got a lot shinier for a great many people, to the point of bringing a great many more people in the world.
mircea_popescu: so let me randomly pick one.
mircea_popescu: "increased literacy" ? how, when ?
mircea_popescu: this never happened, seriously. you seen that early 1900s test for ohio if memory serves highschoolers ?
bounce: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/datasets/percentage-of-literacy-in-the-1600/versions/3
assbot: Many Eyes : Percentage of Literacy in the 1600's-1700's
mircea_popescu: no.
bounce: meaning that fully half the people couldn't read in the 1700s, where it's now closer to just about all of them who can read.
mircea_popescu: you don't get to measure literacy as counted by j h newman with "literacy" as counted by some fuckardacy.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ <<
assbot: A very unfair perspective. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: people today can't read.
mircea_popescu: they can convincingly pretend like they can read. but in point of fact, they can not and do not.
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mircea_popescu: reddit is the temple of this bizarre sect, the large collection of people who can use letters but don't understand sentences.
mircea_popescu: bounce http://www.thecrowhouse.com/8th_test.html << there. are you literate per the 8th grade standards ?
assbot: The CrowHouse
jurov: i propose using s.qntra shares as payment for trilema credits, upon which they are irreversibly destroyed
bounce: I think you're a bit spoiled here; try and compare reddit derpage and tardery with the complete inability to even follow the simplest instructions when they're paid to do exactly that in places with real modern day rampant illiteracy
mircea_popescu: comparing modern day idiocy in africa with the white areas of 1800 ios nonsense
jurov: however, then the owners share will increase indefinitely
mircea_popescu: romania was in the shitter in 1984, and has more gold per capita than most states today. all it too k was getting rid of the soviets.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, africa had no soviets, it was and will remain in the shitter.
mircea_popescu: jurov what, not complex enough already ?
jurov: even bitcoins can be irreversibly destroyed
jurov: but s.qntr shares would outlive the stars or such
jurov: "D
jurov: just my brainfarts
jurov: what can be infinitely created, should be destroyable
asciilifeform: 'literacy' as understood by extant managerial civilization (usa, friends, imitators) is simply the ability to fill out forms and perform other simple mechanics of the giant meat computer of bureaucracy.
BingoBoingo: But at least it is only countably infinite!
jurov: asciilifeform it was ability to follow written instructions,no?
asciilifeform: africa had no soviets << vanishing the thieves and dekulakizers is not enough, one has to actually... produce wealth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one has to have a whole lotta things. literacy is a good start, of course. the actual kind.
penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/after-defeating-it-in-the-bitcoin-market-la-serenissima-bleeds-the-usg-all-over-the-dow/
asciilifeform: we don't really know how to make 'more and more' actual people. to figure it out, would have to rewind to when they were mostly exterminated and go from there.
asciilifeform: and who even said we need more and more. just that there be some.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have an experimentally verified method.
mircea_popescu: it is exhausting but not particularly difficult or complex.
asciilifeform: experimentally verified << ahaha, but does it work with Sr-90 in the atmosphere.
asciilifeform: and other modern nuances.
asciilifeform: this is why i don't like to say 'experimentally verified' re history.
mircea_popescu: works just fine. you start with women in their 20s, self selected. you beat and humiliate them into shape. five to ten years later, people emerge of this.
mircea_popescu: yield is well above a third, too.
asciilifeform: is this how we bake, e.g., a new james clerk maxwell?
asciilifeform: carl friedrich gauss ?
mircea_popescu: this is too soon to tell.
mircea_popescu: the most we have to go on is that while the recent aberrations produced neither of those,
asciilifeform waves to deng xiaoping
mircea_popescu: their times were run like i describe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0007389 = 15.1475 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: may well be that this is like draining the hydrocephalic's skull to turn him into a normal man
asciilifeform: yes, we know bullet killed jfk, no, taking it out, does not resurrect.
asciilifeform: or - it does. 'can you play violin? don't know - haven't tried yet.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : rabies doesn't kill per se. current therapy consists of essentially freezing the brain while the virus is flushed out by the immune system
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: the drainage sometimes actually works
asciilifeform: widely known, i think.
mircea_popescu: not that widely, it's recent and still experimental therapy afaik
asciilifeform: but - for infection, not congenital aberration.
asciilifeform: i get the point, yes
mircea_popescu: except the most common form of congenital malformation is fixed with ties.
asciilifeform still puzzled on how adding a trilema post to qntra fixes the broken concept of 'news.' but perhaps is simply not the target audience ?
mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean ?
asciilifeform: the latest piece.
asciilifeform: it wants to live on trilema.
mircea_popescu: why ?
devthedev: I wish I could read it
asciilifeform: devthedev: wait it's dead again?
mircea_popescu: devthedev what's keeping you ?!
devthedev: All I've seen is "dns refresh"
jurov: devthedev refresh till it works
devthedev: Lol
jurov: but mp's submission was via pastebin
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875629 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 18:16:30; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla http://pastebin.com/8QQRp1wH trololo
mircea_popescu: bounce incidentally, since you quoth macbeth. "She should have died hereafter; there would have been a time for such a word. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
mircea_popescu: creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! "
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that even say ?
mircea_popescu: this was read, over screams and bellows, in a crummy theatre, and people fucking understood it ?!
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875681 < no, this☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 18:42:08; mircea_popescu: cazalla http://pastebin.com/q8B0VvBu << for your consideration.
mircea_popescu: this ? you kidding me ? and people bitch at trilema being too complex to read ?
mircea_popescu: i should do a shakespeare once just to mess with people.
jurov: i doubt most people actually understood it. went to the theatre like it went to church (when everything was in latin)
jurov: *like they
asciilifeform: re: actual people: let's take maxwell. notice that, in addition to lacking reddit and dope, he also never had to --- work for a living.
jurov: which maxwell?
asciilifeform: (or train to take over a father's bezzlatron)
asciilifeform: james clerk.
asciilifeform: the one that matters.
mike_c: you've done worse. i swear you posted a couple articles of gobbedly gook that had secret messages.
mircea_popescu: jurov why would they ?
mircea_popescu: this wasn't a time when theatre was ancient and respected.
mircea_popescu: no, they went to the theatre like you come here. because it's new and cool and it speaks to you and you can afford to.
jurov: no other pastime?
jurov: and executions weren't every day, too
mircea_popescu: mike_c that wasn't worse, those you could identify as such
mircea_popescu: no other passtime ?! you kidding me ?
mike_c: i still haven't identified the secret message.
mircea_popescu: they had more then than you have now for crying out loud. for one thing, the street was fun
mircea_popescu: not a fucking parking lot, yet.
mircea_popescu: people. harlots and scamps and duchesses and everything.
mircea_popescu: you could entertain yourself indefinitely just following the yakking.
jurov: well, theatre was extension of the street. and maybe they explained it to each other
asciilifeform: go find the 'broadside ballads' of the time, for example.
mircea_popescu: maybe thgey did.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that they did already speaks, does it not.
jurov: yes. still very different from understanding the text as is
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's work it then.
BingoBoingo: !up HelpPlease
HelpPlease: thanks mate
HelpPlease: just popped in because one of my refunded bets didn't pay out
mircea_popescu: She should have died hereafter; << She should have died LATER.
mircea_popescu: there would have been a time for such a word. << It's not like this was the only opportunity for her to die and she had to take it.
mircea_popescu: To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time, << roughly equivalent to "life is what happens while we were waiting for other things"
mircea_popescu: and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. << "there but for blind luck goes I", just because you're here today doesn't mean another just like you didn't die yesterday, or the day before.
mircea_popescu: HelpPlease how long ago did that happen ?
HelpPlease: Not sure, the bet was resolved sometime between now and yesterday.
HelpPlease: it's marked as refunded but it hasn't been
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shakespeare ported great to ru.
mircea_popescu: HelpPlease prolly hasn't propagated yet, give it a little.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing like the exercise in archaeology that reading in the original is for modern en speakers.
xanthyos: sorry the sentence fragment "*was* resolved between now and..." caused a temporal causality grammar glitch
asciilifeform: do we have a german here?
asciilifeform: afaik, they have it even better.
xanthyos: nein
HelpPlease: ok, i'll give it some more time
jurov: how better? they must learn to remember everything till the verb comes?
mircea_popescu: lol
thickasthieves: hehe
asciilifeform: jurov: better in the sense that there was a contemporary translation that is still largely readable to modern germans without an archaeological bent.
mircea_popescu: modern english (ie, shakespeare's writ) is readable to
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ddos back? i see static page on qntra again
mircea_popescu: LITERATE english speakers today
mircea_popescu: cazalla myeah.
thickasthieves: mp is liability to qntra
thickasthieves: lol
thickasthieves: leaves a wake of dos
mircea_popescu: just means it hurts.
thickasthieves: thats how you know its workin
jurov: were there any threats?
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think qntra is threatening.
jurov: i mean, some word from perps. or it's "just because".
mircea_popescu: how would you verify it anyway
mircea_popescu: but no, some guy claiming he;'s goat and hates bing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo*
dossierddosser: Hey i ddos u!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has steady haters ?!
BingoBoingo: Wait, to my knowledge goat doesn't hate me!
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno.
mircea_popescu: !s fuck you
assbot: 1273 results for 'fuck you' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fuck+you
mircea_popescu: ahem.
mircea_popescu: !s inclusive
assbot: 32 results for 'inclusive' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inclusive
mircea_popescu: and i bet you 90% of those are actually correct uses of the term, as opposed to the common derpage.
ThickAsThieves: that search returns for 'inclusion' too
ThickAsThieves: what is it, smart or something?
mircea_popescu: trying to pad the numbers!
mircea_popescu: 1273:32 is pretty drastic anyway
ThickAsThieves: it's the inclusive search tool
ThickAsThieves: bitpay's bitcoin bowl is exclusively available to buy tix with btc first
ThickAsThieves: not bad
jurov: !s social cohesion
assbot: 0 results for 'social cohesion' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=social+cohesion
ThickAsThieves: !s exclusive
assbot: 161 results for 'exclusive' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=exclusive
ThickAsThieves: yep, it's inclusive of exclusion
asciilifeform: re: ddos:
asciilifeform: anyone remember 'hashcash' ?
asciilifeform: or generally, the era when 'proof of work' meant anti-ddos schemes?
asciilifeform: one of my first experiences playing with btc was an attempt to make my ddosers... mine.
asciilifeform: (no, wasn't good for much)
mircea_popescu: it's really an idiot's game
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: but the fact of ddos still being a thing at all, reveals catastrophically broken design at large.
mircea_popescu: yea
kakobrekla: !up mechtronic2001
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11958355 = 2.9896 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture a future net where something akin to wot is baked into the basic routing mechanism. so, a billion derps can make a request and there will be no transmission back until all the actual people get what they came for. etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ted nelson wanted to accomplish something like this, in his '60s-present concept
asciilifeform: except, i think, he wanted to use money as the filter.
mircea_popescu: !s whitelist
assbot: 47 results for 'whitelist' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=whitelist
mircea_popescu: basically... it's a thing lol
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/15/6982049/hbo-go-will-offer-standalone-subscription-2015
assbot: HBO is finally going to let you watch its shows without cable | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: cable is fukt now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 85 @ 0.13693914 = 11.6398 BTC [+] {8}
mats_cd03: on the subject of reproducing this bitfetch thing
ThickAsThieves: yesssss
mats_cd03: where should i host the front- and back-end so i dont get vanned
mats_cd03: currently residing in the US so thats a concern for me
ThickAsThieves: i cant help othe than to say, ask pankkake
fluffypony: if there are any -asseters that are in Los Angeleeez, Las Vegas, or near-ish Utah, the wife and I will be in LA from Oct 28th to Nov 2nd, and then Utah/Las Vegas from Nov 2nd to Nov 17th
mats_cd03: ;;later tell pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#876318 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 21:29:19; mats_cd03: on the subject of reproducing this bitfetch thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: whitelist << http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/HardSecurity
jurov: mats_cd03: i can ask around
fluffypony: would love to grab a beer or a food
asciilifeform: 'HardSecurity is like rock. It's strong until broken, when it shatters into unrepairable pieces.'
mats_cd03: jurov: thx qt
asciilifeform: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002752.html << thanks to diametric
assbot: Bob and Alice Discover a Mac OPSEC Issue - F-Secure Weblog : News from the Lab
asciilifeform: ^ everyone is probably familiar with the turds apple's os drops on fat32 file systems when writing
asciilifeform: but, interesting twists.
mats_cd03: i am now counting down til 'poodle' gets leveraged into active remote exploitation
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: the answer. http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
assbot: How much is a share of S.QNTR worth? - Btc Alpha
asciilifeform: incidentally:
mats_cd03: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875081 << dis☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 14:34:08; mats_cd03: they could be used for remote exploitation, e.g. non-browser, non-document things
asciilifeform: try this on for size
asciilifeform: various sec flaws being 'hangout' leaks is a hypothesis compatible with their continued active exploitation by their authors (usg)
mats_cd03: 'hangout' ?
asciilifeform: the script k1dd13z provide a diversionary smoke screen for the actual jobs.
asciilifeform: !s hangout
assbot: 34 results for 'hangout' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hangout
asciilifeform: hangout is what an organized leak (of genuine info or otherwise) is called in the english world.
mats_cd03: you making fun of me cause i'm from hk?
asciilifeform: no idea what it's called there
asciilifeform: where i'm from, it's деза. (дезинформация).
asciilifeform: not, contrary to popular belief, the same as an ordinary lie.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/how-much-is-a-share-of-sqntr-worth/
ThickAsThieves: lol mike_c I appreciate the work, but i'm not sure it covers my concern
ThickAsThieves: being that you had to make up numbers AND timelines
ThickAsThieves: my concern is that they won't sync
ThickAsThieves: it's a wildly risky stock to buy
ThickAsThieves: i'm not even sure the risk reward is there at all
ThickAsThieves: 1 scenario doesnt illustrate much
cazalla: damn it, have a post ready to go :\
ThickAsThieves: make a qntra ticker bot
ThickAsThieves: well not ticker
ThickAsThieves: but a bot that can pm articles
ThickAsThieves: like when mpex is down, we can still trade
cazalla: if i could do that, i probably wouldn't be doing qntra
asciilifeform: cazalla: what would you be doing instead?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Who's to say there won't at some point be a "numbers station" that broadcasts Qntra?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why numbers? read it like normal radio station
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was just imagining RSS done right over the radio.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you were probably thinking of blockchain-over-shortwave ?
BingoBoingo: I've thought about that too.
jurov: <ThickAsThieves> like when mpex is down, we can still trade << this was actually my intention with the receipts. but it isn't worth it
cazalla: asciilifeform, who knows, i'm just saying if i could write a bot, i'd be doing other things, i cannot so i write news, nothing wrong with that
ThickAsThieves: bots that were meant to be have a way of appearing over time
BingoBoingo: Ah, qntra is throwing me 403's nao
ThickAsThieves: i hate fucking taxes
ThickAsThieves: but they sure like fucking me
cazalla: but hey, it was only june i was complaining i couldn't contribute anything here so things change http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2014#729660 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-06-2014 05:29:19; cazalla: little to contribute, much to learn - how does that sit with others who have come to that realisation here?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Amazing how learning creates opportunities
ThickAsThieves: cazalla, hey i'm same still
ThickAsThieves: no one's kicked me out yet
BingoBoingo: !up jacoblyles
BingoBoingo: !up dnaleor
jurov: /fireban ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: was waiting for it
asciilifeform: http://www.beachpackagingdesign.com/wp/2014/04/hollow-nickels-roach-motels.html << historical interest
assbot: Hollow Nickels & Roach Motels | Box VoxBox Vox
BingoBoingo: DOSbait https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2088279700/the-egg-if-you-care-about-it-then-egg-it
assbot: The Egg | If you care about it, then Egg it! by Eggcyte — Kickstarter
asciilifeform: if you care about it, fertilize it
asciilifeform: snore.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: But seriously is there any justification for the current design of the US nickle other than as a thing to hollow?
asciilifeform: hollowed coins, as pointed out in the article, are old hat.
ThickAsThieves: i leave all coin change with cashier
BingoBoingo: Very, but few offer the depth a nickle does.
asciilifeform: given the fate of usd, the small coins continue to circulate largely through inertia of neglect.
BingoBoingo: I mean sure you can hollow peace or eisenhower dollars, but those are going to get examined anyways
asciilifeform: i.e. it would cost usg more to actively remove penny, nickel, dime, from circulation, than anyone stands to gain thereby.
BingoBoingo: !up jespern
BingoBoingo: Hello jespern
BingoBoingo: !up kermit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hollow coins in real life fool no one if examined individually - given the way they are made, the ruse is quite obvious when seen from the edge.
asciilifeform: (where the milling - invention of sir newton... is.)
asciilifeform: this, incidentally, is why nickel.
asciilifeform: (for non-usa folks, a nickel is a five cent coin, having a smooth edge.)
punkman: proper way is to place the cut on the inside of raised edge, can do with most coins
asciilifeform: at any rate, there isn't room for any locking mechanism, really
asciilifeform: if someone suspects a diddled coin, and one is there, it will be found.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this meatballs bs ?
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: !up TheBroker
TheBroker: ;;gpg eauth TheBroker
gribble: Request successful for user TheBroker, hostmask TheBroker!bec3cce4@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AB7FCD6D06C6433
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it hits the uncanny valley for me
asciilifeform: wai which
asciilifeform: the drilled coins?
TheBroker: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ae4145a7ad211207477f1ecfa321f6e2b0f42eb8f763f6fa29b4904d
gribble: You are now authenticated for user TheBroker with key 2AB7FCD6D06C6433
mircea_popescu: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/HardSecurity
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: seems to be some sort of wiki
asciilifeform: that
asciilifeform: it isn't a wiki in the usual sense
asciilifeform: more of a forum gizmo
asciilifeform: from long ago.
asciilifeform: wiki-shaped.
mircea_popescu: roughtly reads to me like a disertation on surgery written by waiters next to the hospital on the basis of what they overheard during their jobs would read if i were a surgeon
mircea_popescu: aka, uncanny valley
asciilifeform: there are a few interesting gibblets in there.
asciilifeform: mostly of zoological interest, yes.
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00074038 = 5.5529 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: hollow coins in real life fool no one if examined individually - given the way they are made, the ruse is quite obvious when seen from the edge. << Takes visual inspection though.
asciilifeform: or a fall.
BingoBoingo: Maybe have a few "hollow" nickles, pack with proper density grease, soon you demand hours of inspector's time as they pour over pounds of nickles looking for an interestign one.
asciilifeform: nah, they put them through a bank's coin sorter
BingoBoingo: Maybe there's 8 hollow nickles. 5 have just grease, 3 have porn
asciilifeform: see which ones come out under/overweight of jam machine.
asciilifeform: *or
asciilifeform: these things probably do electrical impedance / and/or acoustic profile.
asciilifeform: (these days)
asciilifeform: see also the tungsten-cored gold bars thread
BingoBoingo: Sure, but inspectors use MS Excel
asciilifeform: depends which inspectors.
bounce: wallet inspectors
BingoBoingo: Well, not mint inspectors, but local county mounties sure
BingoBoingo: !up Freen0deAdmin
Freen0deAdmin: whats up
BingoBoingo: Ebola
asciilifeform: the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed.
Freen0deAdmin: god caused ebola
cazalla: good luck ebola!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the point of a gambit such as drilled coin is to avoid being noticed. << Nah, you drill some coins to force a search for more of the same
Freen0deAdmin: whats the purpose of this bitcoin room?
BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: Destroying contemporary Western ethos
Freen0deAdmin: why do some names have a color next to them?
ThickAsThieves: because racism
BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: I suspect you are no kind of admin...
bounce: look up "colour temperature" some time
Freen0deAdmin: its a joke
Freen0deAdmin: -_-
bounce: racist body radiation
BingoBoingo: Freen0deAdmin: Are you also reddit police?
Freen0deAdmin: i demand to be an op in this room?
Freen0deAdmin: no
bounce: !down Freen0deAdmin
ThickAsThieves: +1
BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#876454 << amen☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 22:52:26; Freen0deAdmin: god caused ebola
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: !up TheClitCommander
mpmcsweeney: danke
asciilifeform: ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes
gribble: Sermon 129 - The Cause And Cure Of Earthquakes - The Wesley ...: <http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/the-sermons-of-john-wesley-1872-edition/sermon-129-the-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/>; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: <http://methodistthinker.com/2011/03/14/charles-wesley-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/>; John Wesley, Earthquakes and God's Providence - (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: TheClitCommander: Y U steal my side gig?
mpmcsweeney: qntra down?
BingoBoingo: * TheClitCommander (~Thomas196@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
BingoBoingo: * Freen0deAdmin (~Thomas196@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
asciilifeform: ;;google poeme sur le desastre de lisbonne
gribble: Poème sur le désastre de Lisbonne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_sur_le_d%C3%A9sastre_de_Lisbonne>; Toleration and other essays/Poem on the Lisbon Disaster - Wikisource: <http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toleration_and_other_essays/Poem_on_the_Lisbon_Disaster>; Le séisme de Lisbonne (Portugal) en 1756 Polémique ... - Euromedina: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: !up Kansascity
asciilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toleration_and_other_essays/Poem_on_the_Lisbon_Disaster << englisch
assbot: Toleration and other essays/Poem on the Lisbon Disaster - Wikisource, the free online library
BingoBoingo: Kansascity: Scroll up?
BingoBoingo: !up blast
Kansascity: BingoBoingo, ?
BingoBoingo: Oh * JerryFish (~HDMIVGA@c-24-34-9-201.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets << has interest in this channe
mpmcsweeney: gg http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/did-obama-just-raise-ebola-threat-level
assbot: Did Obama Just Raise The Ebola Threat Level? | Zero Hedge
asciilifeform: wait is this 'amd celeron' , 'miowmix', etc ?
asciilifeform: (the former, a very special trololol)
bounce: a dead russian?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Whover it is... Persistent
BingoBoingo: Kansascity: How about those royals?
Kansascity: we won!
Kansascity: KC is just the cinderella team though
BingoBoingo: I hope for another I-70 series
BingoBoingo: Oh, the Royal did win the pennant
Kansascity: yeah just now
BingoBoingo: Lorde must be happy. She named that song after George Brett
asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/second-ebola-infected-nurse-identified-was-symptomatic-995-degree-fever-while-flying
assbot: Second Ebola-Infected Nurse Identified, Was Symptomatic With 99.5 Degree Fever While Flying | Zero Hedge
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By this time next month Amtrack business will be booming. US air travel is on its way out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it.
BingoBoingo: I mean we are nearly upon Flu season when everyone will have fevers
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: as if trains will not fall under same bureaucracy if the fuhrer wishes it. << No, being under the same bureaucracy is why the trains will run.
BingoBoingo: Like Atlas Shrugged in reverse
asciilifeform: run until not.
BingoBoingo: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5603/15540852401_3d04760300_b.jpg
mpmcsweeney: theyve already begun panic-removing people from planes
mpmcsweeney: wait til the sick season hits public schools
xanthyos: hi
ThickAsThieves: lol NFLX down 26% afterhours
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You see what happened in Bonds today?
ThickAsThieves: i dont normally watch em
ThickAsThieves: but lets of red all over
BingoBoingo: Maybe take a look at it
BingoBoingo: Bigger change than Lehman or Atta begat
ThickAsThieves: 10yr 1.865 yield
BingoBoingo: From what yesterday?
ThickAsThieves: "Everyone's animal spirit is dead. This is a pretty dramatic move when everyone was expecting higher rates"
ThickAsThieves: i'm reading this http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-markets-global-idUSKCN0I402B20141015
assbot: Bonds rally, stocks fall as global economy fears mount| Reuters
ThickAsThieves: i'm largely ignorant to bonds market
asciilifeform: 'although Wall Street managed to peddle back...' wtf?!?!
asciilifeform: english?
ThickAsThieves: like a bicycle
asciilifeform: peddle?
ThickAsThieves: i guess
asciilifeform: or pedal?
ThickAsThieves: oh yeah
ThickAsThieves: derp
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: i'm surprised btc isnt rallying harder with all this
ThickAsThieves: guess we're still in early adoption phase
devthedev: Bitcointalk: "Due to a recently-discovered flaw in the TLS and SSL protocols, you may want to change your password, especially if you accessed the forum using Tor."
asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-lockheed-fusion-idUSKCN0I41EM20141015 << monkeys fly from my arse if this is true.
assbot: Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project| Reuters
mpmcsweeney: gg for moolah: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10JYJZ8-e_0SIXsDz_b2MYJxq8fVZ37PsOK689e4Bnng/pub
assbot: Moolah
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or pedal? << Pedal, as in the pedal tones on a brass instrument
asciilifeform: what was printed: 'peddle'
asciilifeform: as in peddler, itinerant merchant.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe printed, I'm thinking where the noise is though
jurov: yes, peddler
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You are covering the moolah.io beat, correct?
devthedev: Yeah
devthedev: BingoBoingo: The guy on the bottom of that liveleak screenshot's Landon Merrill
devthedev: COO for MooPay Int.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves:being that you had to make up numbers AND timelines << hm, how else do you make investment decisions?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You know tat always consults the tes leaves
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying i'm not sure this is even tea
mike_c: well it does show you a methodology. if you don't like the assumptions, change 'em.
ThickAsThieves: i do appreciate the effort, but i'ma just watch and see
mike_c: like all of my articles, they are mostly for me anyway. but i think that one stands up. i didn't cheat either, i was surprised how close my guesstimate came to that bid on mpex.
ThickAsThieves: total coincidence imo
mike_c: hehe. you think the bid was random?
ThickAsThieves: i think it can be nothing more
BingoBoingo: Well, the way I see it people bidding for s.qntra shares are going to be bidding for a percent of future revenue
ThickAsThieves: maaaybe you could estimate a value based on other mpex offerings
ThickAsThieves: an ever shrinking percent
asciilifeform: i'd still very much like even a speculative picture of where such revenue might come from.
ThickAsThieves: ^
mike_c: asciilifeform: one example, as given, is advertising revenue.
asciilifeform: van ads?
mike_c: or selling direct ala bitbet
asciilifeform: who is to buy the ads?
mike_c: as mentioned, bitcointalk is now making 40 btc a week on ads.
asciilifeform: because they push scamz.
cazalla: mpmcsweeney, i saw coindesk pumping gawminer advertisements yesterday, what's up with that?
asciilifeform: sc4mz0rs - will buy ads, yes.
asciilifeform: but qntra is meant to be a chopping block for them, not a cafe
BingoBoingo: <mike_c> or selling direct ala bitbet << From an ethics standpoint a Van-ads sort of arrangement is probably cleaner
asciilifeform: if i understand.
mike_c: ethics schmethics. newspapers have been funded by ads from forever
asciilifeform: the only thing lacking, unless i'm mistaken, is people who actually want to pay for any of this.
mike_c: mining equipment companies pay for it
asciilifeform: once q transforms into the kind of thing which is presently lucrative, it will cease to be distinguishable from the despised competition.
mike_c: nobody despises the NYT because they run ads.
asciilifeform: the whole thing is an ad.
asciilifeform: as in, mass media as a concept.
nubbins`: ^
mike_c: um, then investing in qntra is not a good fit for you anyway
nubbins`: who *is* it a good fit for?
mike_c: somebody who believes a better source of bitcoin news is a good idea?
asciilifeform: i wasn't intending to (with what, ha.) just ringing the bell to possibly wake up folks who think they can achieve a new result by doing the same thing as was done for 100 years.
nubbins`: mike_c: why, that describes me!
mike_c: then you don't believe that "mass media" is the problem, just the way it has been executed.
mike_c: like, owned by companies who must have ever increasing profits
nubbins` raises eyebrow
asciilifeform: no, the whole concept of a 'news' that is of interest to a gigantic mass of people without being pablum.
nubbins`: as opposed to qntra, where investors will expect diminishing returns
mike_c: yes, they will expect diminishing returns. i don't understand why this is a problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu objected to the examples i gave as 'scientific journal'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875883 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2014 19:26:50; mircea_popescu: this is not news stan. this is science publications.
asciilifeform: but imho those are the only kind of actual news (when genuine!)
ThickAsThieves: qntra provides content of a certain portion of the spectrum
ThickAsThieves: people who want curation and updates on that portion
ThickAsThieves: would pay
mike_c: AOL dialup business has been producing diminishing returns for a decade and has been extremely valuable.
asciilifeform: which one of you is planning to fly to, e.g., donbass (ukraine) and ask the soldiers if they're using btc?
ThickAsThieves: and yes advertisers who exposure to the kind of person interested in that spectrum would advertise
asciilifeform: or will the 'news' be cut&paste just like everybody else's.
ThickAsThieves: want*
ThickAsThieves: i dont think they know exactly what it is
ThickAsThieves: which is ok
mike_c: asciilifeform: major newspapers send reporters to syria to get captured. but not on day 1.
asciilifeform: wasn't meant to be a specific hypothesis
asciilifeform: just example.
ThickAsThieves: but being intentional about business never hurt
asciilifeform: which one of you will fly.
mike_c: why would we fly? we're readers, not reporters.
asciilifeform was under the impression that some of the people here intended to make this item happen
ThickAsThieves: hey i wouldnt endanger my life for it, but i'd fly
asciilifeform: qntra, that is
jurov: asciilifeform: is donbass part of your exit strategy?
ThickAsThieves: which reminds me,
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: on spec, tho?
ThickAsThieves: there's a btc conference in Miami soon
asciilifeform: jurov: nah. obola's currently my exit 'strategy' if you wanna call it that.
ThickAsThieves: if qntra wants to task me
ThickAsThieves: i'm game
mike_c: yes. there are stages. stage 1: provide better news than others. stage 2: build enough audience and capital to send people to ukraine. stage 3: profit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00073893 = 9.4583 BTC [-]
jurov: FTFY: build enough audience and capital to buy ukraine
asciilifeform: jurov: see also 'Last Bullet Life and Health Insurance Corporation.'
mike_c: WSJ makes a billion or two a year.
asciilifeform: mike_c: wsj, like nyt et al is an organ of the crown.
asciilifeform: aka tbtf.
mike_c: the old crown. imagine how valuable an organ of the new crown will be.
ThickAsThieves: make people buy shares to read, then burn the shares when they do
ThickAsThieves: infinite share problem solved
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: not certain how an amoebic pseudopod wins by emulating the organs of, e.g, mouse.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: how to burn shares on mpex? push to nonextant address?
mike_c: "infinite" != 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ...
asciilifeform: infinite shares with no plausible picture of how they are to be worth something
nubbins`: i know i'd certainly buy shares in a website in order to read one of its articles
asciilifeform: am i the only one bothered by this?
ThickAsThieves: mpex made an altcoin, must add full support for it
asciilifeform: even if i'm not the target-anything
mike_c: geezus. There are no infinite shares.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: only if you buy such push recipts ;)
asciilifeform: just can't help spotting symptoms of delusion
nubbins`: no infinite shares, just a share per word
nubbins`: with open season on words ;0
asciilifeform: and in people i know to be clever!
nubbins`: wait, two shares per word.
asciilifeform: so, perhaps i'm thick
nubbins`: it's almost dickensian
asciilifeform: not almost.
nubbins` prepares an article about the grocers
asciilifeform: literally.
ThickAsThieves: infinite on an indeterminable segment of time
nubbins`: and their delectable wares!
asciilifeform: what next? pay people by lines of code?
ThickAsThieves: :P
asciilifeform: which they will proceed to write in 'intercal' ?
nubbins`: i'm going to write an amazing article and pad the fuck out of it
asciilifeform: is the whole thing an elaborate joke that i'm not in on?
ThickAsThieves: should be a rule: footnote words dont count
nubbins`: like, quadruple the word count
mike_c: you all act like it's a free for all. like cazalla will accept any 5,000 word piece of shit
ThickAsThieves: the mp rule
ThickAsThieves: well i want more words
ThickAsThieves: as a reader
asciilifeform: seriously?
mike_c: 1) you need to be decently wot'd to contribute. 2) if you submit shit, you won't get in.
ThickAsThieves: i dont want too many words
ThickAsThieves: i want all the good words i can get tho
mike_c: just drink the fucking kool-aid already
ThickAsThieves: lol
jurov: soon it will be the ultimate turing test
nubbins`: will the articles be edited, or posted as submitted?
ThickAsThieves: [MPEX] [S.QNTR 9000 @ 1 = 9000 BTC [+] 1}
jurov: no, only profanity will be randomly sprinkled
asciilifeform: is everybody here but me on lsd?
nubbins`: i can't speak for the others...
jurov: vex gave me some smoking
ThickAsThieves: we're just some paradigms saying whats up
BingoBoingo: !up teek
nubbins`: the no revenue stream paradigm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is everybody here but me on lsd? << Maybe?
ThickAsThieves: if i were on lsd all the time, how would i know i was on lsd?
nubbins` offers a sugar cube
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: see s. lem's 'futurological congress.'
nubbins`: ;;google gooble gobble
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jurov: kakobrekla: what about S.BASH? one share per bashed word
nubbins`: oooo
asciilifeform: s.plat
asciilifeform: one share per sperm cell ejected.
asciilifeform: amazing profits.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo http://pastebin.com/yxdR9yWL
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ThickAsThieves: thus the bash wars of 2014 began
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol
mircea_popescu: bout twice as many today. hopefully 3x tomorrow!
mircea_popescu: (this, of course, excludes the wordpress stuff, which is about 90% or so of the entire thing, but also easy to filter)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but the fact of ddos still being a thing at all, reveals catastrophically broken design at large. << not really, it just reflects a major problem of the world at large (the quare-linear problem, specifically)
asciilifeform: ddos is a basic attribute of any system where strangers can impose a cost on you at little to no cost to themselves.
mircea_popescu: nah, consider gravity. your potential energy increases with your height, but your speed of ultimate impact with the square of the height.
mircea_popescu: same thing with 3d geometric applications
mircea_popescu: same thing here : the more people you add, the exponentially more potential connections in the graph.
mircea_popescu: ddos is an intrinsic property of the world, like bitcoin, like falling to your death, like the nuclear bomb
asciilifeform: not necessarily.
asciilifeform: i described earlier a hypothetical network that silently refuses to rout ddos.
asciilifeform: *route
mircea_popescu: but it's not a network in this sense.
mircea_popescu: what you described is hoiw to keep the network small
asciilifeform: tcp-wot.
mircea_popescu: this is fine, but it doesn't solve, it avoids.
asciilifeform: finesses.
mircea_popescu: not at all.