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mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:33:47; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the climategate thing is why i do not credit mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: orlov being a minion of moscow. orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy
asciilifeform: btw that was orlov's lowest point, imho
asciilifeform: (orlov is somewhat fixated on them as 'ideal')
ascii_field: ask orlov, l0l
mircea_popescu: cuz i might want to be able to distinguish orwell from orlov
mircea_popescu: check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov.
ascii_field: i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense
mircea_popescu: i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao
ascii_field: orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls'
ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport
ascii_field: this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion
asciilifeform: ^ orlov's 'you will not be told when collapse has happened, only when it has happened to ~you~'
mircea_popescu: and it is why i pointed out orlov's failure in the elephant story.
ascii_field: in all fairness, orlov never advocated 'let's all you plankton move to x and colonize'
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236094 << orlov devoted a whole chapter to this, for english readers ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 15:46:48; mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
mircea_popescu: s/orlov/orwell/ heh
mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities. ☟︎
phf: (there's a 90s russian commedy, дмб, about a bunch of hapless army conscripts. at some point they are supposed to provide entertainment for generals, in some total buttfuck nowhere location. one of the activities is pig hunting, they release a pig, and the general goes after it. so of course the pig gets eaten by one of the hungry conscripts, and he has to pretend to be a pig running through fields. i can't help but think about orlov's boomer
phf: i started reading orlov with his piece about "everyone should get russian passport and move syberia to survive orks and global warming", i thought that maybe he was one of those slightly misguided older russian expats, so i sent him an email in russian with the general idea of, what about existing power structures there, it's not like moving to alaska, there's not going to be a shortage of local generals interested in hunting out of shape expats
mircea_popescu: but hey, orlov doesn't know about india. he got a hammer an' he's a builder.
asciilifeform: phf: orlov is obsessed with the subject of 'noble orcs', where it is gypsy, or eskimo, or whoever hasn't invented water closet yet
phf: that orlov quote is questionable, with the same message as his other writing, i.e. "orks are cooler then you" where you is a u.s. office worker. i grew up in intelligentsia family and when i started getting into fights i was sent to sambo. i also saw fights involving chechen boys, including "деревня на деревню" kind, and in none of those were russian boys holding back. what is this
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229957 << orlov's mafia development stage. this is available ~right now~ just as in 1880 cosa nostra. BUT they use an ethnic filter to keep out usg. (the only filter known to work semi-reliably, sadly) ☝︎
asciilifeform: orlov does conflate several unrelated phenomena (in particular, zooming into resource exhaustion to the exclusion of just about all other aspects of problem)
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.
mircea_popescu: not orlov is it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
mircea_popescu: imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
asciilifeform: see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin
ascii_field: orlov: 'There is a bug in blogger where it sometimes publishes a post even if the date is set in the future. I disabled feeds to work around it.'
ascii_field: if you are only concerned with the collapse, orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' is notbad
asciilifeform: hah. ~now~ has a 'submitted by orlov'
asciilifeform: 'those with title to something worthless will find a way to extract value from it, making it even more worthless. An abandoned suburban subdivision might be worthless as housing, but valuable as a dump site for toxic waste.' (orlov, who else)
pete_dushenski: lol. y'know, just in case any actual revolutionaries are reading orlov and needing fatherly advice from someone with no skin in the game.
mircea_popescu: somehow orlov doesn't feel compelled to go "check out schmuckin, going over to the euro tune of human rights"
asciilifeform: ^ orlov follows up on mircea_popescu's 'greeks must behead'
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: even the most cursory effort to consider the matter sunks people like orlov.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as usual for orlov : the intro is right : yes, the average expenditure average us citizen can expect to make reasonably is ~1 dollar a day. yes things are going the way of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-137.333-137.381
asciilifeform: there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect
asciilifeform: (orlov's '5 stages' book, as well as of course 400 yrs of euro 'wish i were an amerind' material, ends with just this)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169653 << orlov is obsessed with that fella ☝︎
ascii_field: in the words of orlov, 'try asking a different question, to which there may be an answer'
ascii_field: btw as a long-time reader of herr orlov, i can't help but notice that he spat on diesels and bragged about a seldom-used ('only in doldrumss') outboard petrol engine
ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-magical-content-tree.html << where herr orlov contemplates cribbing mircea_popescu's 'pay per article' thing
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2015#1163461 <<< this orlov guy.. i've enjoyed reading some of his stuff but i can't figure out what sort of man buys a boat but does not have funds tucked away for upkeep/maintenance or new engine ☝︎
asciilifeform: aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html
asciilifeform: see also orlov's 'dead souls' essay.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
mircea_popescu: we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess.
lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that orlov link...
asciilifeform: hilariously, orlov & mr mold agree on this precise program in this precise formulation.
asciilifeform: in the general case, both - predictable. like the example of orlov's bridge falling into the river. (eventually the whole thing is underwater. but when?)
BingoBoingo: Maybe email Orlov and see if you can borrow the Tu-95 in the embassy basement
ascii_field: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html << obligatory orlov
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks
asciilifeform: but the symbiotic fraud described by orlov et al
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's not ok to admit yarvin is orlov in a different color scheme
ascii_field: lobbes: generally, the earliest orlov is the best
lobbes: ascii_field: I feel like I'm thanking you every week for some reading material, but thanks for the orlov introduction. It is becoming my latest addiction
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 18:53:48; ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html
ascii_field: ^ mega-l0l from, guess who, orlov; http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/license-to-kill.html ☟︎
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform, what would you say is the difference between orlov as quoted and the fiction of the "imperialist burgeois" as classically described (1890s, even) ?
asciilifeform: from orlov's 'lessons' ( http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml )
mircea_popescu: he has a boss in rh who has a boss who has an orlov who has an etc. six strings long, the flea circus.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068229 << see! it bothers you when usians do it. somehow, orlov-tolerant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with using a language is that you're stuck using it according to itself tho. this is like, orlov horribly mauled a teenaged girl and you're like "well clearly the bear thought her cunt's salmon."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unapparent from the orlov piece.
mircea_popescu: this is why i don't like reading orlov. the propaganda angle doesn't bother me as much, but the millitant, sheer ignorance does.
mircea_popescu: re orlov.
asciilifeform: getting scientists to donate to a honor-based system rather than to a socialism-based system will utterly restructure society << funnily orlov is 100% with this program, in his own peculiar way
gabriel_laddel: I always wonder about the people who see this sort of thing everyday but never connect the dots, how do they internally deal with actual reality? I once flipped through the book Dangerous Thoughts by Yuri Orlov. He claimed that in the soviet collapse people would have multiple "selves". When they would break the law that would be their "off work" I, vs. the at work I who would report such a transgression to the poli
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation)
asciilifeform: (orlov has a small engine, he claims only for parking)
mircea_popescu: orlov
cazalla: i'm drinking some bundy, meant to drink last night but sidetracked with that orlov article and then zzz
asciilifeform: cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway
cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:19:50; asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit
adlai: found via reading orlov's Lessons >> http://dieoff.org/
asciilifeform: trinque: read orlov's 'post-soviet lessons' to learn why the analogy does not apply
asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out
asciilifeform: described in, among other places, orlov's
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic
ben_vulpes: is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
ascii_field: orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun
asciilifeform: as in, who - other than orlov - is spilling the beans in engl. ?
asciilifeform: (orlov, who else)
nubbins`: this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents
asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)
ascii_field: one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin
asciilifeform: orlov plugs straight into 4+ centuries of 'noble savage' crap