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asciilifeform: orlov himself is in no hurry to trade his computer for a spear.
asciilifeform: ^ this article exemplifies everything i personally most dislike about herr orlov.
asciilifeform: orlov refers to him as 'homo sapiens lite'
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
asciilifeform: come to think of it, orlov may have mentioned him once
asciilifeform: 'Here is a question for Minister Stoltenberg: Do appeals to (and enforcement of) tolerance make repeats of such incidents more frequent or less frequent, and, if so, why?' (old orlov article, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/07/politics-of-unconscious.html )
assbot: The Five Stages of Collapse: Survivors' Toolkit - Dmitry Orlov - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMOThs )
asciilifeform: https://books.google.com/books?id=Ut_0AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA44&ots=uzdXPijFi9&dq=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q=ruble%20vanity%20exchange%20rate&f=false << herr orlov's recollections
mircea_popescu: orlov is uniquely clueless huh.
adlai: ah, that's what the orlov post reminds me of! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_Right_Back_(Black_Mirror)
adlai: ok, the orlov piece is good. i'll settle for equally obligatory.
decimation: orlov is right that wages haven't increased, but prices have fallen
TomServo: ha! did orlov crib 'infinite hit points?
BingoBoingo: See this Salon ignoring Orlov thing is like the rest of the "Bitcoin Press" lapping up Bitpay spending out the ass to sponsor a bowl game while ignoring... That there's actually a game that's now going to be played with teams and stuff.
mircea_popescu: that they don't even mention orlov in there is insulting to the russian foreign service lol.
BlueMeanie4: i like Orlov
asciilifeform: 'you will not know that collapse has happened until it happens to you.' (orlov)
adlai: "I would like to claim as my own… the theory of comparative superpower collapse" - dmitri orlov << I get that he's perceptive about the present, but has he not read any history from more than 100 years ago!?
asciilifeform: ^ these folks need to invoice moscow for their orlov cheques.
decimation: eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket
asciilifeform: like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov
asciilifeform: herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.'
asciilifeform: 'Physicist Steven Jones, who first pointed to the use of thermite in the destruction of the two towers had to agree to having his university buy out his tenure or his university was faced with losing all federal financing.' << example from herr orlov. ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/09/911-after-13-years.html )
mircea_popescu: let's model it properly. you're the kgb special assets chain of command, and i'm orlov.
gernika: Orlov reminds me of detective who has you in the interrogation room. He somehow befriends himself to you and makes you think he wants to help you. He lays out your options. Cooperate and you get life. Otherwise death.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically, legwork. orlov's blog, is that legwork ?
mircea_popescu: your best bet is exactly what orlov is doing.
gernika: Was Orlov paid first, and then he started writing? Or the other way around?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if orlov's a paid muppet, when do i get paid.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, "entrepreneurs of violence" is just a particular facet of sovereignity. orlov was in a room with a sovereign elephant and what he came out with was the trunk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say i'm the poster child for orlov's "violent entrepreneurs". it's not that i make an enterprise of violence, is that i clearly and pointedly reserve the right to use violence without limit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it would appear orlov for instance doesn't know it.
asciilifeform: the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
asciilifeform: in fact, my main objection to orlov's gizmo is that it isn't huffman optimal.
asciilifeform: one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though.
asciilifeform: orlov appears to subscribe to the hypothesis that english is a semi-deliberate qwerty for 'branded on the toungue' purposes.
asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out, the u.s. bezzle consists of an iron 'car, house, job' triangle.
mircea_popescu: anyway, orlov's putin reads like mp. which i guess is a good thing for all those involved.
mircea_popescu: what if they replaced orlov with yarvin
mircea_popescu: wait! is orlov alive ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: orlov piece being total idiocy << the most recent guest authored piece?
mircea_popescu signs off on that orlov piece being total idiocy.
asciilifeform: or maybe it was just orlov.
bounce: do we have sources on us vs ru jet fighter quality other than herr orlov?
mircea_popescu: reading orlov is like reading j. fest v2.0
decimation: don't tell me orlov is a 'truther'
decimation: " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
asciilifeform: see, e.g., orlov:
asciilifeform never met an apocalyptic hypothetical megadeath that herr orlov doesn't love.
asciilifeform: just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere
asciilifeform can only apprehend an 'orlov's deer/hunter system' explanation for this
thickasthieves: orlov is on about americans not readinf today too
asciilifeform: obligatory, orlov's deer hunter... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750027 ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov termed this 'homo sapiens lite'
asciilifeform: 'prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' - orlov
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, the russian foreign service is quite active in the fringe of the us discourse. orlov, roberts, there's a list with these talking points.
asciilifeform: at the risk of sounding like orlov - modern 'machine civilization' tends to create wildly thermodynamically-unfavourable situations like this one.
asciilifeform: 'Recently I heard a story on NPR about a poor family that went around looking for discounted food items at various groceries and stopping at the food pantry—in their own private minivan! And so here is a poor family that owns what in many parts of the world would amount to a bus company!' (orlov)
mircea_popescu: anyway, orlov misses the major point here. it's not about rich/poor as a measurable characteristic. some people are strong, some people are weak. whether the weak are temporarily rich or permanently poor makes little difference at all, money's not for them anyway, nor anything else good in life.
asciilifeform: if i had raped her she'd be pregnant. is she pregnant ? no << orlov's hypothetical portrait is based on the georgian cleanup
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov, at least according to his autobio, grew up in usa from late childhood on, same as i did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, does orlov admit officially to russian military training as a strategist/analyst/whatevs ?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't trust orlov much furher than i can throw him tbh.
mircea_popescu: jurov: asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre? << this theory is appealing unless one stops to consider they were by this token complicit in the murder of whoever many million "tutsi"s whatever the fuck that may be, happening wherever the fuck that may have happened at some point nobody cared about.
jurov: asciilifeform re:orlov it's similar as russian police completely ignoring tortures of gays...if they aren't complicit actively, then it isn't massacre?
asciilifeform: (for the psychiatric rumunations re: how & why - straight to herr orlov)
BingoBoingo: Today though was too soon for me to wave the Orlov was right flag. Last night was "mostly peaceful"
wywialm: asciilifeform, Orlov seems to be one of the best informed people I read on the Ukrainian affair
decimation: orlov is right
asciilifeform: good example of the sort of people orlov associates with...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> he recently convinced weev to "go the kickstarter route", with results that still make people lol. << Weev is going to learn the hard way he isn't old enough for Taleb or even Orlov's deference
HeySteve: orlov has a lot to say about the failure of imperial USA, he's not the only one to predict balkanization
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/07/fact-free-zone.html << more airplanewank, this time orlov's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone should tell orlov who invented surgical forceps, and what they were originally for
mircea_popescu: somebody should tell orlov how caesarean section got to be called that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that orlov's personal wank fantasies have clouded his mind. e.g., he proclaimed, gleefully, that the uninhabitable wastelands of russia will become arable land due to warmocalypse, and the era of anglo-yoke will give way to a russian mega-hegemony
asciilifeform: orlov's 'patient' is all of technological civilization, roughly steam age and up
asciilifeform: i'm not even 100% convinced that orlov actually believes in anthropogenic climatocalypse. what is more or less certain is that he wants industrial civilization off the gameboard, asap. and is willing to support just about any ideology which promises to help the process along.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov is an incorrigible believer in an impending pollutionocalypse.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov did recently have a harsh 'brush with reality.' he attended a 'collapse conference' run by his usual circle of people, and was heckled off the stage by 'feminist' types
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov's boat routinely floats about in the open ocean. but, as i understand, he still relies on an intact usa for supply line, and has a day job of some form there. but - unlike me - he also has russian passport. and occasionally makes use of it. so he's something rather like a free man.
asciilifeform: just like - for example - orlov will delete any comments inquiring about what kind of arms, if any, are to be found aboard his ship
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/04/financial-totalitarianism.html << orlov is also convinced that totalitarian monster is still strong, will succeed in crushing anything it likes with remaining tentacles.
asciilifeform: orlov, as i understand, has a very specific reason (i.e. falsifiable hypothesis) that leads to his disinterest.
mike_c: well then why does orlov end up in that corner?
mike_c: because you were knew of, and were interested in learning more about bitcoin. orlov knows and is not interested.
mike_c: if they are not interested in bitcoin it is a non-starter (orlov).
assbot: Orlov is wrong, and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/orlov-is-wrong-and-other-stories/ (link in 1st note)
asciilifeform: orlov, if i recall, answers 'bitcoin' with 'the net dies in $nibble years and where's your shortwave, huh. count me out.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: orlov specifically isn't here because when i pointed out to him he fucked up, his reaction wasn't the sane and natural "ow fuck me, i fucked up", but the much more common, and much more human "oh it's not really and i didn't really" and so on.
asciilifeform: inidentally, orlov swore off writing any further books re: collapse, declaring 'i've said what there is to be said.' making him, afaik, unique in that 'field.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr orlov was engineer of some description before 'bugged out'
mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't help but remember orlov's point about the deer hunt
asciilifeform: (anyone who wants to be nomad - straight to herr orlov)
asciilifeform: orlov.
asciilifeform: (as described in orlov's classic - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/03/welcome-to-fuffland.html)