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asciilifeform: speaking of sewage, i recently had occasion to learn the details behind herr orlov's assertion that usa minus mains current will drown in own shit ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: remarkable how much orlov gets wrong given how much he notices.
asciilifeform: (orlov, of course. http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/07/us-swaps-russian-spies-for-russian.html)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html << herr orlov on pussyriot etc
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asciilifeform: ;;google crank bait orlov
asciilifeform: ^ first saw that one on orlov's page. i think he's friends with the artist.
asciilifeform: (orlov)
TheNewDeal: dead souls Club Orlov?
jurov: lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"
jurov: well, if orlov's right, russia is right on way to extens its eugenic program to whole eurasia soon
asciilifeform: herr orlov had a piece, where he 'what if concert pianos sometimes exploded'
TestingUnoDosTre: orlov has to be one of the most oft quoted here
asciilifeform: (orlov's infamous piece)
asciilifeform: paging herr orlov,
BingoBoingo: This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
asciilifeform: (orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.
asciilifeform: not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing
TestingUnoDosTre: I tried looking for this orlov piece and all I could find is an entire Russian family that runs back 300 years, and some hockey player
asciilifeform: orlov had a neat piece on soviet 50yo middle manager suicides
asciilifeform: (herr orlov's crackpot crusade)
mircea_popescu: and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point
Duffer1: you've mentioned orlov a few times
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy...
asciilifeform: oldie but goodie. orlov on twittards / silicon valley / etc. -
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, pretty much the only one who's put in the sweat to explain it in english is orlov
asciilifeform: orlov/ua/etc: http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-coming-to-us-dmitry-orlov
mircea_popescu: then we'll get perhaps to hear all about the arab nazis on orlov's blog
asciilifeform: it isn't orlov's (or putin's) fault that the west ua folks insist on becoming something out of a comic book
asciilifeform: orlov's position, as far as i can tell, is that u.s. inherited the crown of idiocy worn by the old ussr
mircea_popescu: but listen, had orlov called them "privileged male chauvinist pigs" i'd have went "whoa, when did this guy join the blue side"
asciilifeform: - orlov's 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century'
asciilifeform: orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, orlov is pro moscow ?!
asciilifeform: re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine)
asciilifeform: orlov's point 'business-as-usual is a manufactured product' is a useful one
asciilifeform: orlov has a pretty good 'do it now, in the open, and they'll zap you' piece
mircea_popescu: uh orlov deleted it from his blog ?
asciilifeform: channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so orlov finally found costa rica huh
asciilifeform: "To this day pots of late-Roman gold are periodically dug up in England during excavations of Roman villas; the residents of these villas were unable to derive any benefit from their hoards as their empire collapsed and the Dark Age closed in around them." (further from herr Orlov)
asciilifeform: orlov's prediction is that warlordoms will become schelling points again once various energy-hungry weapons systems stop being affordable
asciilifeform: orlov is a reluctant, dour sort of 'statist', he sees mega-empires as inevitable, but likewise their collapse.
asciilifeform: orlov's painfully-repeated point is that systems with infinite growth assumptions baked in are worse than straight theft
asciilifeform: orlov's point wasn't that ussr was a paradise, but that it was a more honest sort of open air prison than u.s.
asciilifeform: dmitry orlov
Duffer1: this orlov article reads a lot like our discussion on real estate rent
asciilifeform: in orlov's world, a proper system is where you rely on family to feed you in old age
mircea_popescu: lmao! re your club orlov : i was persuaded to add a disclaimer to my article, which reads "but before you run to the interpretative races be advised that the “money” sybol is used correctly in its proper sense, rather than in what mistaken cvasi-definition you might have intuited for yourself, and this use colors the meaning of “time” too."
asciilifeform: also reminds me of orlov's essay on 'fufflers' and their symbiotic relation with the 'victims'
asciilifeform: well, orlov did.
asciilifeform: people occasionally ask orlov about btc
asciilifeform: 'orlov's stage 3. political collapse.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you found the "collapse gap" piece interesting, read Orlov's full length discussion "Post-Soviet Lessons": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M56LtVzVcYJSMGKm5CV2RcePETqK1BwvF-Pb5AkdTXM/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Orlov has been writing since the mid-2000s
benkay: orlov's old news, mircea