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mircea_popescu: overheard in #eulora : <diana_coman> the middle road is shit
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point.
mircea_popescu: if you draw hearts or explosions or w/e around it, even better/
mircea_popescu: obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:06:12; asciilifeform: i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
mircea_popescu: there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
mircea_popescu: why is the usg so insistent in pushing its "private" agencies into forcing slavery on random people ?
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:25:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it
mircea_popescu: we can even have a "usg affiliated entities pay 4x, people not in wot pay 2x."
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:37:05; phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negati
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:44:22; phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:49:27; asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237221 << upside is massive but hard to quantify. upside is that we HAVE FOUND THE HOLES IN GCC! upside is that we know what to say about linux, and why we're saying it. upside is that we have rotor, and that we know why nobody without a rotor has a chance. upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you".
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 17:21:57; asciilifeform: but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.
mircea_popescu: just like the upside of picking sane girls to fuck isn't "that hot blondie" but "i fucked over a thousand women in my life, most of whose names i don't remember, and yet i never had a venereal disease". that's the upside.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:36:18; mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of ways to make you feel better about it, tho.
mircea_popescu: wanli changcheng omfg so THIS is how it feels when people use languages you don't know.
mircea_popescu: think about it mats : if great wall "can't be had", if the statement is correct, there's something fundamentally wrong not merely with your fences, but with the idea of making one and more importantly with the process that results in this perceived need.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason people who only have sewer water don't take hot baths in it.
mircea_popescu: if you can't have clean water, not only is it that you can't take a hot bath - it's that you couldn't conceivably want to.
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:42:04; asciilifeform: did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !
mircea_popescu: in the sense that yes they could come out of ANYWHERe, and make a hole anywhere, but then had to spend time to loot, and then had to come back AT THE HOLE, ie not anywhere. so either take time to make a new hole or go back to where the old one was. in either case, giving the imperial army enough time to plug their ass.
mircea_popescu: or well... at least in times when the imperial administration was any good.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 gentoo was a sucess \o/
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assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
mircea_popescu: take the useful part out of the enemy's tendency to sit in front of things. there is actual value in the "do X, do Y, do Z, you're now done" list.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:55:34; phf: не верьне бойся не проси
assbot: 5 results for 'from:mircea asked you anything' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news - they've made a new extra dark chocolate icecream. i can't explain it.
gernika: FYI OpenBSD w/o db patch wedged at 367850
mircea_popescu: 1 is readily surmountable by abstraction. i know how to do this. (you may think you are the first to meet the problem - you are not. scripts are sold in show biz all the time etc). 2. is readily solved, whether you like to or not, and 3 yes.
trinque: right, try getting someone to pay for all the bugs you didn't put in their software
mircea_popescu: that said, static allocation goes a long way. this connects to the "fixed time" discussion re rsa yest.
mircea_popescu: specifically - the cheapest and most effective approach to security still is and remains "giving people an easier task". chief on the list of ways to achieve this,
mircea_popescu: "this program takes as much memory torun at all as it totally employs". "this program takes as much time to run every time as it takes the longest time" etc.
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trinque: btw, my ex-gf had no trouble with the gentoo guide aside from asking me about the definitions of a few terms
trinque: n6: wherever you are, take note... following orders gets ya places
mod6: thank your ex-gf for me ;)
trinque: and she says thanks for the guide
mod6: cool. glad she tested it for us.
trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
☟︎ trinque: I told her that was exactly the right ordering of the two
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trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
☟︎ trinque: actually I misspoke, put The Little Schemer in her hands first
trinque: so you're right, scheme's a good choice
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mats: there doesn't appear to be anything actually interactive there
mod6: Well, unless you count submitting the answers to the exercises.
mats: oh. i was expecting some kind of output
mod6: And it looks like you can take notes or something
trinque: and you have to click outside the editor box, which is lame
mod6: Oh, i didn't notice you could actually edit the examples. neat.
mod6: oh i just deleted a ')', im screwed.
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gernika: Does it take a while to get past 367850? Or might I still be stuck...
mod6: do you have the maxint_locks_corrected patch applied?
gernika: mod6 I applied asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch
mod6: ok, good deal. just let it do its thing.
mod6: if start to see repeating errors in debug.log let us know.
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 02:11:19; trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 02:12:38; trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
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trinque: asciilifeform: told her as much, lol! right question! sadly, only horribly approximate answers
trinque: I've walked her through setting up both emacs and slime
trinque: she's rather sharp, taking to it well
mircea_popescu: "Remember, bitcoin works through consensus by code. Not consensus by CODERS."
trinque: reduces to "I matter" and I suppose any living thing making a sound is also saying that
mircea_popescu: well... the thing ius, crickets and frogs and whatnot, which do EXACTLY this, do it to reproduce, and succeed in reproducing.
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trinque: a deeply moving story. thanks for translating.
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assbot: The blocksize debate is due to limited upload bandwidth. A hardfork could fix this: by allowing 10 minutes for *all* nodes to upload their blocks into a "blockpool" (so nodes with slow internet have a chance too), and then *randomly* select one block as the "winner" to append to the blockchain. : Bi ... (
http://bit.ly/1Mrg9IM )
BingoBoingo: I don't even think the asciilifeform phillipino theory can explain this one. USG must be farming out spam to Montessori schools nao.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 20:43:18; mats: wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 02:13:00; trinque: watch her end up lapping me
trinque: I feel I've done a great service aiming her at the parentheses early
mircea_popescu: had you aimed at her paratnthesis and made her late instead...
ben_vulpes: sorry pete_dusheshenski, no tech support available this week
ben_vulpes is working 18 hour weeks to keep a miserably mismanaged cms project from auguring into the ground at mach 2
mircea_popescu: still cms is what people do with people's time ? in 2015 ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: read that story about the old woman and miserable horse; it'll make ya feel better
trinque: publishing... still JIT-htmlpiled in 2015
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ben_vulpes: <trinque> watch her end up lapping me << scheme is what i threw the new girl at the shop
trinque: mircea_popescu: yes, felt that story presents a nice bottom-bound on the misery-ometer
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trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah can come say hi whenever
trinque: ben_vulpes: how does a guy know about editable divs and not disallowing wrap?
ben_vulpes: i didn't know about editable divs today
ben_vulpes: trinque: didja get to the part where he talks about implementing a single-line rich-text-editor ?
trinque: there's also a secret property-knocking handshake you can do to turn any div into a game of pacman
ben_vulpes: "the correct answer is to get your project manager to change the requirements"
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trinque: why not float the dumb emojis over the input
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> senator hurrdurr (who really seems an exact mirror image of ron paul in left colorings) is certainly out of the question, but omfg don't tell me trump takes over and does a postmodern rendition of reagan << it is going to be glorious
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cazalla: it is a little more like being forced to wear a puffy shirt than fear of being gay
cazalla: just needs to lose a little off the belly
BingoBoingo: Yet you will never get her to lose any of it without shame
trinque: big asses ftw. there's a middle ground here.
cazalla: yeah i think so too trinque
cazalla: i dont mind fat ass and the chubby look, just no stomach over hang
BingoBoingo: trinque: The path to a big ass is the squat rack
cazalla: the one on the left? ah i'd pass
cazalla: (which means i'd root her but not tell anyone here)
cazalla: needs a few beers.. which i have being friday and all
shinohai: I dunno cazalla if u squint your eyes and pretend she is the girl on the right ...\
trinque: how does one pretend with his dick, may I ask
cazalla: why is a woman dressed like that in a shopping centre anyway?
shinohai: Pretty good shop, though the reflections don't change xD
cazalla: her legs look skinny in the reflection eh, maybe it is a skinny to fat photo edited with adobe photoshop
cazalla: of course there looks to be nothing wrong when it is a b&w photo which is dimly lit to boot
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
punkman: cazalla: coreboot supports some binary blobs n things iirc
☟︎ cazalla: i thought that was a bit of a no no?
punkman: well it's up to you to choose what is used or not
punkman: libreboot might also derp about licenses
cazalla: BingoBoingo, all this fatty hate and your fondness of black chicks is making me wonder if some there is some similarity to be found here with ardent gay haters who can't get enough of the cock behind closed doors
BingoBoingo: Black chicks that aren't fat are too damn rare. Shame and fat hate are a way to correct that with time honored social engineering.
cazalla: i'm not so sure shame works anymore, these people are without shame
punkman: BingoBoingo: you could go look for the hungrier ones in africa
shinohai: *with time honoured social engineering <<< applauds BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Fat People hate is basically a suckless movement for wetware
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wilbns: wondering how many kilotons that explosion was
BingoBoingo: Apparently it was only in the tens of tons, no kilotons
wilbns: BingoBoingo: wow, can't imagine what a nuke would be like, then
assbot: Yemen War 2015 - Giant Explosion After Saudi Arabian Airstrike On Houthi Weapons Depot In Yemen - YouTube ... (
http://bit.ly/1MnAPzL )
wilbns: something about the glowing particulate and the presence of two explosions, the first of which possibly being to trigger a criticality event
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cazalla: sounds like some alex jones type shit
punkman: "To give you an idea of how desperate a retailer has to be to close overnight, the tiny supermarket where I work, which is about half the size of a Wal-Mart’s food section, lost 1 million dollars per year when it closed down overnight in 2009. "
punkman: I dunno how a "tiny" supermarket has overnight sales of 1 million
BingoBoingo: Even niche retail can move stunning amounts of money in the gross. Just hard to do anywhere near that much net.
punkman: clearly, it wasn't a very good book
BingoBoingo: Probably didn't cover the part where the recipient's inbox matters too.
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 06:02:18; BingoBoingo: I don't even think the asciilifeform phillipino theory can explain this one. USG must be farming out spam to Montessori schools nao.
BingoBoingo: I'm just going off the stereotype of that being where people who've ever been punched emerged from like in that SNL skit
cazalla: lol was just discussing enrolling kid in a montessori pre-school from 2 1/2 years onwards no less than 30m ago
assbot: overweight employee keeps breaking office chairs, my boss won't give me a budget, and more — Ask a Manager ... (
http://bit.ly/1IQfiex )
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cazalla: i just don't think i could toss him to the wolves in the public school system
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds easier to sack the fat cow
BingoBoingo: I though you had to send them to the wolve for a couple years to toughen them up a bit, but maybe save that for later
cazalla: bit young for that, although didn't stop my own father
BingoBoingo: I mean at some point you'll have to throw hm to the wolves for a bit lest the wolves find him anyways
punkman: cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds easier to sack the fat cow << what and get sued for 100x the cost of chairs?
cazalla: i thought you could sack at will in america?
punkman: "Obviously it would be better for you both if you could discuss this openly: she would rather not waste time if she won’t get hired, and you would rather not reject your top candidate. Unfortunately, I don’t think you should assume that you can safely discuss this. If you decline to hire someone after finding out that they have a covered disability, you may expose yourself to a lawsuit."
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punkman: cazalla: what you think I'm gonna watch that thing, title is enough
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punkman: "FDA registered as a durable medical devise"
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assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 06:16:49; assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 20:43:18; mats: wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 08:07:28; punkman: cazalla: coreboot supports some binary blobs n things iirc
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gernika: mod6: bastard blocks for roughly 10 hours now. Perhaps I corrupted my db?
mike_c: goddamn mircea, that was depressing
mike_c: hopefully you've got an old romanian love poem or something to follow that up with
mike_c: trilema traffic is going to drop by half as your readers start jumping off a cliff.
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chetty: mike_c: goddamn mircea, that was depressing// I thought it was heroic
mike_c: It was something. I kinda assumed she's killing herself at the end.
mike_c: Can't carry rocks with no horse.
ascii_field: chetty, mircea_popescu: story reminiscent of turgenev's Муму
ascii_field: (where a serf drowns his dog, the only thing he ever loved)
chetty: well perhaps she dos something other thna carry rocks now
ascii_field: sop, as mircea_popescu pointed out once, in east europe
mircea_popescu: my great-grandfather, aged 85 or so, died by taking to bed and refusing to eat anymore.
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mircea_popescu: not from the hero's pov, obviously, that can't be. but from my (the other's) pov.
chetty: heros come in lots of flavors
ascii_field: i bet mircea_popescu would love 'grave of the fireflies'
mircea_popescu: heck, i recently discovered the "northern system's" principal children's writer (hc andersen) is not know to teh northern ppls.
ascii_field: he had a well-deserved reputation as a hack and bootlick
mircea_popescu: romania has (actually - had. i published a post asking for his death and he died three days later) one too, adrian paunescu.
mircea_popescu: most objectionable character on record, doubtlessly a fine poet.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun have the patience for animated full length features. but i did like the ... shit, what was it called. the one where the guy breaks in and murders a buncha women. one of them confronts him, in perhaps the best scene of japanese cinema
ascii_field: mayakovsky had the sense to eat his nagant as a young man
mircea_popescu: so no, not romania's m. romania's adonis-13, except aware.
chetty: I actually dont even recall the story, just the name, and that after I read it I wouldnt read hca again for years
mircea_popescu: most of the kids in teh class got all angry and actively-intensive about the fefeleaga story, but the teacher had the presence of mind to point out that obviously activity of any kind will be ineffectual, and if one's inclination's obviously going to be ineffectual one's necessarily misunderstood something.
mircea_popescu: bless her soul, for without that it'd have ended up as yet another class of world-saving idiots.
ascii_field: i'd imagine it was in the curriculum because 'see how they lived in pre-soviet era'
mircea_popescu: it had ben in the curricula in that part of the country before ferdinand. which was before charles.
mircea_popescu: which is, as far as romanians are concerned, how hitler was invented, and the soviets are, again, just some easterners trying to be german in their retarded way.
ascii_field: what did the idiot kids want to 'activity' ? search for starving old blind mine horses to rescue ?
trinque: the desolation in the story is imo a healthy thing to consider.
ascii_field: over in the land of the proper orcs, tales like this were taught with the 'constructive' aim of 'see kids, THEY want to put us back in this. yes, THEY.'
trinque: yes, life comes to this, and no, you can't do anything about it.
trinque: if yours doesn't, be glad, but you still end up gnarled and old, and perhaps with a few more horses
mircea_popescu: ascii_field transylvania has the not-to-be-neglected advantage of two millenia of continual habitation. stuff like soviets barely register if at all.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu makes it sound almost chinese
mircea_popescu: this is the most successful sort of special pleading for the entire "resistance through culture" thing. which is why the argument can't be properly carried in english, etc.
mircea_popescu: it is the closest thing to china outside of say greece.
mircea_popescu: but the difference is deeply, fundamnetally palpable. i did recently "curs de langue et de civilisation europeene", by screening le gendarme et les gendarmettes (funes) and la liceale - al mare con amica de papa.
mircea_popescu: the differences between a 1500 yo people and a 2500 yo people are marked.
jurov: only two millenia?
jurov: more like, 12k (all the way from last ice age)
mircea_popescu has seen people wearing to work the legionnaire tunics, and knows for a fact that they were wearing the same item by the unerring sign, that they used the same points of them.
mircea_popescu: much like you know someone's using a hammer for it being a hammer through the sign that the flat part goes to put the nail in and the fork to pull the nail back out.
mircea_popescu: if your leg bends to match the tunic it's quite clear you're in fact wearing a tunic, not merely a similar looking apron.
mircea_popescu: things are not what they may be perceived to be, but what is left after washed in the acid of movement and phenomena.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, very old peoples do survive in france as well - same places they do in the east. like the normans, say, or the gascons. much hay was made by the plains populatrons about this also, at the time they were still trying to understand themselves seriously - say 3 centuries ago)
ascii_field: 'the art of not being governed' covers same, in indochina
mircea_popescu: the main difference between the paris horde and the bucharest horde being, of course, that the former were productive. or one should say, sufficiently productive.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field speaking of which - weirdness like "colectivisation" etc didn't touch most of high transylvania. simply because teh people didn't do it. because wut. even some horses survived.
ascii_field: ditto selected inaccessible parts of indochina
ascii_field: (srsly, mega-book, worth at least a warez reading)
phf: old horses, dying children, gratuitous cruelty, it's like i'm back in my highschool lit class
mircea_popescu: it's back to the "what purpose does the sun serve for us, children ?"
phf: that's not the right word
phf: small cruelty done because it can be done
mircea_popescu: im so distraught that word lost its principal meaning. which was - people being "people", in the reddit sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: lowly, small, petty. mean. of mean extraction, ie, borne by mcmansion folk.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is interesting, and related, to inquire into the etymology of english word 'churl'
mircea_popescu: into which you ran, like i have, by trying to translate a certain russian word ?
phf: huh, it's right there in the dictionary too
mircea_popescu: phf if your dictionary was made before social media, yes.
mircea_popescu: (d'artagnan's origin is not coincidental, and the fact superman's not from the ozarks does not reflect too well on either the profundity or the perspectives of that culture)
mircea_popescu: (and no, it can't be fixed by simply moving one's hands and MAKING him that. it has to come from the public, as an unavoidable necessity. and no, the public can't be "educated" etc)
jurov: "Disable support for loading LC_CTYPE locales other than UTF-8."
phf: shalamov makes a convincing argument in a story about natalia klimova, one of the ladies that tried to assassinate stolypin, that the way for soviet regime was paved by people who read stories like fefeleaga and decided that something needs to be done. it was already 20 years of terrorism by mostly educated aristocracy children, "from vegetarianism and love thy neighbor to throwing bombs"
mircea_popescu: i don't think this is at all controversial. the degenerate children of a lost aristocracy are the primary fuel of the imbecillity of revolution.
mircea_popescu: and it is why i pointed out orlov's failure in the elephant story.
mircea_popescu: people like to lie and claim their failures are some sort of virtues. but they aren't. and the fact that those kids felt unequal to the responsibility of who they were supposed to be in this world... well...
mircea_popescu: go ahead, "make things better" for fefeleaga by what ? giving her a breadmaking machine ? a pegassus ? what are you going to GIVE her ? a job at the local airport ? a newly built apartment ?
mircea_popescu: give asciilifeform a proper windows license while at it, so he stops having to toil with the obscure bullshit he is now.
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ascii_field: this was kinda the idea though. 'now ~everyone~ can be a degenerate aristocrat!'
mod6: <+gernika> mod6: bastard blocks for roughly 10 hours now. Perhaps I corrupted my db? << hmm. not sure? are you getting errors as opposed to just bastard blocks? maybe post last 250 lines of your debug.log and we can have a look.
mircea_popescu: "Should you suddenly find yourself with enough success to, say, help significantly decrease poverty and famine in some 3rd world country, would you be prepared and ready with a game-plan"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: americanism. it is customary to describe anything political in terms used in the american football, e.g., 'playbook', 'gameplan', 'huddle'
mircea_popescu: it is a good idea to describe anything overgrown, neotenic idiots do as "a game". because yes, they're playing.
ascii_field: but not just any game. always that one, for some reason.
ascii_field: (never, oddly enough, baseball. which i grew up thinking of as ~the~ american sport)
mircea_popescu: "impostor syndrome" is how sanity is known among the playful bunch, busy play-pretending a life and daydreaming an existence. the silkworms awake./
mircea_popescu: imagine the panic this raises through the 65% of phd advisors reading there
ascii_field: 'Naturally all the documentation is keep secret, but a quick Google search would reveal that one can't simultaneously work at place x, and give lectures at place y, while x and y are hours of travel away. But again the people who control the grant money only check the paperwork they are provided. Is there a bogus employment contract in my name? I don't know but I have reasons to believe so.'
ascii_field: my current understanding is that this is sop
ascii_field: and that virtually every major american uni has dozens of faculty, heavily overlapping with the set of most serious money-bringers, who are criminally impeachable
gernika: mod6 didn't realize 0.5.3 didn't have -reindex, so attempted a reindex with old .dat files (backed up blkindex.dat and last blk*.dat) - so I think I'm just syncing from scratch at this point. Not sure how useful my log would be at this point.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field your current understanding is strictly correct.
mircea_popescu: all that keeps the whole body from prison is no one looking.
ascii_field: also, srsly, wat, usg will purge 100% of academia ?
ascii_field: no, they only purge the folks who won't play ball
gernika: ascii_field so do something like bitcoind dumpblock i | bitcoind -datadir=somewhereelse eatblock i?
ascii_field: gernika: blkcut for the former. but otherwise, yes.
Adlai: ascii_field: baseball isn't the american sport, it's the american story. or something
trinque: I don't think baseball has been the american "thing" for a generator or more
trinque: football or "pro-wrestling"
mats: football and basketball, yo.
mats: nobody else plays these games
trinque: but doesn't really serve the american narrative in teh same way baseball seems to have
trinque: ascii_field: got people of walmart instead!
Adlai: trinque: please elaborate about this narrative
Adlai glances at it, still there, full of sand
trinque: any underdog can have his day of glory, you see
phf: thinking about "degenerate children", the disconnect seems to be between what is advertised as a virtue in order to strengthen rule and what is genuinely required in order to remain in power. somehow eton managed to produce generations of british elite, while petergoth lyceum first class of twenty ended in the decembrist revolt (and that was 100 years before soviet revolution)
phf: (tsarskoye selo lyceum rather)
trinque: seems the aristocracy can't allow their children to develop foolish ideas such as being able to change reality arbitrarily, which any kid left to his own thoughts growing up in wealth will come to believe
ascii_field: if england (and europe) had a meta-europe somewhere more west, that 'we too can become like!!111!!! if we kill our king' - then they too would have decembrist revolts
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> expected america to look like 1940s nyc << the people who worshipped nicky mantle or w/e are long dead you know.
mircea_popescu: phf there's a reason "hypocrisy" appears again and again in criticism of imperial achievement.
mircea_popescu: and the brits had the impossible to undervalue advantage of women. they're fucking ugly, so they have to work hard. and they did - the empire only survived with them.
mircea_popescu: russian women had all the subterfugial value of pelicans. at least - until the soviets invented natasha.
mircea_popescu: natasha the spy, natasha the heavy drinker, natasha the young corpse.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which - there's a recent, very very bad french movie which nevertheless offers perhaps the best image of that girl.
phf: well, first sexual revolution and "equality for womens" happened because need more workers
mircea_popescu: the film itself is mst3k level bad, but coralie revel does natasha to perfection.
phf: there's also that whole tension, in christian nations, between "what christ taught" and what church needed in order to gain resources and prop up the power vertical. how should an aristocracy straddle that line between "kill yourself and your children for us and you'll go to haven" and "sell all you have, give alms to the poor". it seems like a lot of the aristocratic kids in the 19th century were sold the second version (with the full support a
phf: nd encouragement of ru lit)
mircea_popescu: eh get out. they all went to the military, they all had horses, and servants.
mircea_popescu: if you don't learn to be a man with a horse and a servant, you're beyond help.
mircea_popescu: and the proposition that russia was at any point "christian" anyway... yes, they use the word. it doth not mean anything akin to its english false friend. at all.
phf: horses and servants are habitual behaviors, and i've seen it exist entirely in disconnect with the life outlook ("hypocrisy" often came to mind)
mircea_popescu: in any case i would point out that "remaining in power" is not only the terminology of "the enemy" (which, here, means "of the idiots"), but actually meaningless. remain in power ? do we toil towards a bitcoind that can be used to what, "Remain in power" ? do i object to the amorphousness of words when i point out what definitions really are and why definitions must exist, do i object to the amorphousness of pseud-thou
mircea_popescu: for all i care they, whosoever "they" is , can fix everything tomorrow and i'll be fine with it.
ascii_field: mats: gotta love the sniveling usg lie in the headline even
mircea_popescu: as i observed to a friend recently - if everything worked i wouldn't even care to have a name.
mircea_popescu: as the observation goes, "for every incredibly sexy woman out there, there's one guy sick and tired of looking at her asshole."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field recall the "fake islands" medieval maps included for the purpose ?
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mircea_popescu: anyway, did any usg "private firm" get caught or what.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have a defendable position, i'm not sure i fully understand your "degenerate kids" comment, because it seems like a huge write off.
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, i'm here, you can try various sticks.
trinque: seems a matter of whether something beats the mind into accepting that the state of reality is entirely outside the control of a person, aside from a margin of error
trinque: perhaps the degenerate kids scream and get whatever they want, then come of age, and are incapable of wanting anything sensible
trinque: so it seems poverty does this; on that route, life itself chaps the back of the horse
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the shit you think you wish for can't be. it's the problem of the shit, not of the genie.
trinque: right, your "causes vs purposes" is a helpful tool to sort the shit, it seems to me
phf: i don't think an aristocratic kid has to scream to get what they want, a baseline of ability is always present and taken for granted, in that sense a reddit sjw is not much different from the wealthy version of the same
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trinque: I dunno if that's an aristocratic kid if that's the full picture
mircea_popescu: for the record, we have ample documentation as to hyow the children of the aristocracy were kept back while that stayed vigurous.
phf: there's difference when it comes to execution though, both since no trained helplessness and actual resources
trinque: it seems rather healthy to have someone create problems for you which are out of your control
trinque: training wheels for life, almost
mircea_popescu: talleyrand took a lot of money from the various german princes, yes. bribes ? maybe. to do what with them ? not like he had to buy any woman in paris anyway.
mircea_popescu: but he definbitely excised a lot of revenge over the people that pointedly reminded him of his opwn parents.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the man was motivated by greed, or at all comprehensible in the terms of the bourgeoisie.
phf: mircea_popescu: so what changed in the 19th century is that the beatings stopped?
mircea_popescu: not that the beatings stopped, but that luis hated his father, and decided he'll rule with a bureaucracy rather than have more of that shit around.
mircea_popescu: so the aristocrats were taken to versailles and circumcised.
mircea_popescu: the guillotine... minor point, and a necessity after thatanyway.
mircea_popescu: but the problem comes back again and again to what i told pete d that day we were discussing "systems" : you can not afford to insult the powerful.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that the mob in the street invented anything or in any way created something... gimme a break. romanians for a while thought ceausescu was incredibly inventive in his stupidity. these being the folk too uncultured to know carol 2. in fact, the bootmaker was merely immitating, as best he could.
mircea_popescu: following, as it were, with the knife the lines drawn aforehand.
mircea_popescu: so yes, the french revolution is a "historical necessity". because a king at some point said so.
mircea_popescu: he didn't know at the time what he was saying. obviously. and perhaps didn't even care to find if what he said was or was not said before.
mircea_popescu: but the people whio did care thought - and i think today - it was worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: if we like or don't like the results - at least we know.
mircea_popescu: general indication seems to be that he didn't care for the result either. that "apres moi le deluge" is very similar to socrates' "i have nothing to offer nor do i wish to offer anything in fine."
mircea_popescu: which incidentally terribly weakens the middle class case against hitler. "oh, he lost the war". sure. guess what, the war that was won hasn't been invented yet.
mircea_popescu: churchill "won it" and watch the uk have to beg bundesbank for rescue loans within the decade.
mircea_popescu: "oh hitler was mean, because the british empire was ending anyway, and he should have jsut waited it out ; whereas oh lincoln was great, because southern slavery was ending anyway but he had the martial presence to not wait it out".
mircea_popescu: herp derp and really tell me more what the middle class thinks, it's so impossible for me to predict it.
phf: so the point is that aristocracy was already lost starting with 1743 reforms. presumably was brought to russia by peter's newly established bureaucrats
phf: first sjw, employed a black feller
mircea_popescu: you know, the entyire skin color thing was never a major point in yurp.
phf: oh, i know, i didn't realize there was even such a thing until i came to the states
mircea_popescu: (there's a black girl in the french film i mentioned above - nobody cared. "wow seriously ?!" yes seriously, the french had chocolat before the usians had chocolate.
phf: although there's a 1940s (?) soviet movie, where an american girl flees to soviet union, because she had a black baby, pursued by a capitalist who's trying to expose her. of course the predictable ending is everyone joins in a song "soviet russia, where all are accepted"
phf: hmm, that would make sense about tsarskoye selo lyceum, taught by peter's aging bureaucrat corps
phf: hmm, ok i see your point, far the fuck out as it is
phf: also explains soviet education sleight of hand around the subject, hmm
trinque: poor girl's almost out of wine
punkman: waxing of teh asshole is not optional
kakobrekla: GSMem: Data Exfiltration from Air-Gapped
kakobrekla: Computers over GSM Frequencies - This team used patterns of memory access instructions to modulate a memory bus to generate GSM-band signals that can be read from a hacked baseband.
kakobrekla: would be interesting if you could use some surrounding infrastructure to get that signal further out.
ascii_field: now if you could tx/rx valid 802.11, that'd be something.
ascii_field: in fact, actually ~receiving~ radio-anything using a stock pc's bus, or whatnot, would be very clever
ascii_field: afaik never demonstrated under realistic field conditions
ascii_field: (using various built-in radios in a typical modern garbage pc DOES NOT COUNT)
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jurov: heh RF would be doable only if radio compatibility was totally neglected.. but as transistors are sensitive to light, laser would certainly do
trinque: and why don't they just own up to it honestly
trinque: fucks sake, I love driving
jurov: she should try to unscrew and wiggle it too
trinque: I suppose yes, that'd be a male thing
trinque: hopefully this regime doesn't last long enough to mandate this self-driving nonsense
mircea_popescu: the red blouse clad human in the picture. with the tits. is male.
trinque: could be? that shoulder's kinda big
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mats: hard to tell, but the hands may suggest its a man, yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (d'artagnan's origin is not coincidental, and the fact superman's not from the ozarks does not reflect too well on either the profundity or the perspectives of that culture) << Of Course. He is from Little Egypt, his statue is in Metropolis, Illinois.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> (never, oddly enough, baseball. which i grew up thinking of as ~the~ american sport) << Baseball fell out of favor with the public around the same time as Boxing and Handegg was in a lucky position to replace both. "Civilized" alternative to boxing "Exciting" alternative to baseball "Opportunity" for the oppressed youths.
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> ascii_field: baseball isn't the american sport, it's the american story. or something << Pastime
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I don't think baseball has been the american "thing" for a generator or more << Well "Latin American" thing still
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (speaking of which - there's a recent, very very bad french movie which nevertheless offers perhaps the best image of that girl. << NIkita
BingoBoingo: I've been to Superman's hometown though. They got a Casino a few years ago. Other than that like Cairo (pronounced Kay-roh) Das racis and the drop in steamboat traffic chased relevance away.
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jurov: lol... as if noobs are going to provide you with 100k cft you need, and in reasonable time
jurov: what auction? i was elsewhere and missed all eulora stuff
mircea_popescu: ah. was announced in chat at some point, but penning a trilema article now
cazalla: how does one preserve reddit in such countries if you remove access to the content people from those countries wish to access?
mircea_popescu: how do you feed people if what you sell them has no food in it ?
mircea_popescu: reddit continues to grow s/globally/imaginarily/, but anyway.
cazalla: maybe it is the german and russian government which think that given all the content in /r/watchpeopledie is jacked from ogrishforum, bestgore, liveleak etc
ascii_field: 'My favourite is Retrievor – small GPS tracker. First version promised solar charging. They first stole photos from completely other products (mobile phone app was from real Chinese GPS tracker, while the schematic was from a completely different product). Then they skipped to Indiegogo, and had two additional campaigns, with slightly changed description. Almost 2 years later, no real product.'
mircea_popescu: and yet kickstarter does not have its doors torn down by police.
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trinque: and while this e-mail "scandal" is going on, she says not one word about privacy
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gernika: I bet she'll forgive your student loan debt ... in exchange for your passport.