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mp_en_viaje: or what exactly is the idea, erryone's gonna be so fucking impressed with the whole "oh, you know what, ye olde bitcoin has, among its many race conditions, one where you can dos it by getblock spam" that we'll just move right back on to 2015 ? it ain't ever gonna be 2015 again, make a blog, find a master, do some work AS THEY DIRECT YOU, and so on.

bvt: but how much of cpu percentage would we want to dedicate to good hashing? if e.g. keccak is in place, what could happen (but only experiments will show) is that the bottleneck would be in the CPU -> if the system runs low on entropy somehow and self-hashes (which goes through the HG now, should it go through HF? (would also make sense from Size/2 decision rule)), we'd have an easy DoS vector against the

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 09:48:26 mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE

mp_en_viaje: i would be much surprised if indeed a full ONE PERCENT of the dependencies you perceive/imagine/hallucinate are actual bona fide legitimate dependencies. you live your life in the http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ style ; naming some outfit doesn't depend on whether they're good, it depends on whether they're important, which they are already since you drove there. explaining what you did and why you did

mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE

asciilifeform: irresistible target for 'oops you've been dos'd' etc

ossabot: Logged on 2016-03-31 18:48:02 gernika: asciilifeform: fyi I made a trip to eetools HQ today and came back home with a curiosity: EmMax plus rom emulator - connects to LPT port - comes with console app. It does *not* however appear to support dos - win95 is as far back as it goes it seems.

mp_en_viaje flicked through the news, no "uruguay offline as result of '''rotating dos''' " items caught my eye.

mp_en_viaje: what is this halfass cvasi-dos ffs, i thought we're talking srs bzns

mp_en_viaje: "Una joven de 15 años murió como consecuencia de dos disparos."

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider, usg.dos et al dun seem to have any trouble finding bottomless supply of orcs quite ready to 'ponerse delante de las tanques' in the name of clitler.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 13:08:11 asciilifeform: btw re ddos -- mircea_popescu i think yer site also is being dos'd

asciilifeform: btw re ddos -- mircea_popescu i think yer site also is being dos'd

asciilifeform: ( cuz, elementarily, the dr-dos problem, good chunk of winblowz api aint documented -- in any sense, not even internally at microshit )

mircea_popescu: it didn't work ALWAYS, and yes, precisely dr. dos problem as you describe it.

asciilifeform: ( even moar outrageously, the actual msdos 6.22 sores leaked ~fully 20 yrs ago~ and devs of 'dosbox' opensores emulator ~still~ afaik use dr-dos/pc-dos 'mostly' compatible, entirely uninformed from the leak... )

asciilifeform: problem as it is, is even older than linuxism -- recall in '90s, 'dr-dos', and how worked with only ~some~ msdos proggies but not others, given as people wrote 'for msdos', i.e. intimately wedded to the bugs and undocumented misfeatures etc

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local kids https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/a-la-carcel-delincuente-que-prendio-fuego-a-dos-mujeres-en-local-de-cobranza-2019610152913

BingoBoingo: rá en aproximadamente dos semanas– la menor superficie de los últimos 25 años, con una caída del 30% en la intención de siembra (a unas 135 mil hectáreas). Pese a que Uruguay es uno de los líderes en productividad a nivel mundial, los crecientes costos del cultivo encadenan ya cinco campañas consecutivas con números rojos."

BingoBoingo: Local news on arroz: http://www.iciforestal.com.uy/uruguay/17164-la-primavera-se-demora-para-el-agro-uruguayo "El sector del arroz está calentando los motores para iniciar la siembra para el ejercicio 2018/19 con una perspectiva claramente adversa. Hace una semana la industria arrocera Samman cerró dos plantas en la ciudad de Río Branco (Cerro Largo). En tanto, espera que el cereal ocupe en su próxima zafra –que comenza

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910005 << this is very much a matter of http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299 : i'm sure they do, because they're there. the question is not whether the siamese twins are connected, but whether their mother can be fucked into delivering any babies that aren't. ☝︎

mp_en_viaje: hola #dos

a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 21:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907021 << 'dos' as typically discussed here is simply shorthand for 'os that fits in coupla kB and gets the fuck out of the way and speaks only when spoken to' , roughly

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-06#1907079 << in retrospect it's not clear what specific vhs-dos we mean when we just say "dos" in such contexts, but i believe the "brain-operation-immune" part is central -- can delete modules w/o "reboot". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-05 23:02 OriansJ: bvt: Actually DOS wouldn't be the correct direction as it is actually more complex to implement portably and it's abstraction layer isn't right for a good general bootstrap.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907021 << 'dos' as typically discussed here is simply shorthand for 'os that fits in coupla kB and gets the fuck out of the way and speaks only when spoken to' , roughly ☝︎☟︎

spyked: that is, for whatever architecture it's implemented on, it doesn't have to be the same DOS

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-05#1907021 <-- the problem with "portability" (in the sense of supporting/maintaining the same software interface across different hardware architectures/configurations) is that it's a convenient lie most of the times. the goal isn't to implement the same DOS for all architectures, but to have some sort of DOS that provides some functionality and otherwise stays out of the pr ☝︎

OriansJ: bvt: Actually DOS wouldn't be the correct direction as it is actually more complex to implement portably and it's abstraction layer isn't right for a good general bootstrap. ☟︎☟︎

bvt: re 2, after a restricted ada assembler, should a ada-dos be built? mes assumes that linux kernel is a given, which imho is a big hole in the process

asciilifeform: whereas today, behold, you can go into 'embassy of latvia', where folx hand-picked by washington dos will show you in which queue to sit etc

asciilifeform: so far i focused mostly on ~removing~ 'can-dos' lol

bvt: otoh, author did mention that most of the tools can be easily made to work on e.g. dos

a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:47 mircea_popescu: you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1

mircea_popescu: you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1 ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899789 << but ofcouars. "requires netbase" too, i'm sure. ☝︎

asciilifeform: near as i can tell, it's a vestige from days of running on os with no scheduler (dos etc)

asciilifeform: was an a++ golden age dos era cpptron, ended up opensores'd , unusually, when vendor folded

mircea_popescu: "Tinycc was once closer to offering a serious open source alternative to gcc than anything else, and it's still simpler (and smaller, and faster), but part of the definition of its development community was a willingness to deal with development tools from the days of DOS." << what was his problem specifically to this day we do not know (beyond cvs not being able to handle namechanges, much like ~every other wanna-be v until

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894753 << i thought mbrs went out with the dos. still a thing ?! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: THOUGH, in fairness, the genuine ubuntu very much fucking would, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.127-149.158 and all that.

asciilifeform: aha, erry dos box i ever owned, i truly 'programmed with the mains switch'

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:05 mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this.

asciilifeform: btw in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893771 , ye olde dos, for all of its virtues, is possibly worst example, when you run yer proggy there, os loses all control, you may as well have booted straight into yer proggy without any os ☝︎

mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this. ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you can get hold of actual dos box with e.g. 'soundblaster', most of what's in there oughta work, in principle.

asciilifeform: !!later tell diana_coman: finally dug up the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892086 item ( believe or not, '98 disk reads a++ ) : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/vintage/oldies.tar.gz . you'll need 'arj' but that ought not to be problem on dos box. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: maybe it was already ending by time of doom, but i guarantee you that if i had orig author of said 2mb of asm "source" of dos in the dungeon, i'd be stuck producing A LOT OF accompanying notation through interrogation.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dos sores , surprisingly, was moar or less sane item (considering that microshit stole it)

mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, dos "source" is a lot like "bolix source" -- would consist of 99.9999% cat scans by mass.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's then nostalgiate for good ol' dos, which sat happily on 360kb flop.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: defo 64 is like tits on a boar for cryptoistic dos box etc.

asciilifeform: i intend to port ffa to msdos, for instance, and don't expect that gnat will be building it ~on~ dos box.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892309 <-- funfact: /me reads plenty of asm on his saecular assignments, mostly to maintain & debug shit software stacks that crash in weird ways. haven't written any asm in a while tho, and dos asm especially has been a challenge last time I looked at it ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'Implementing muLisp for the Intel 8086 was more challenging because the 1-megabyte address space was segmented into 64-kilobyte segments. The MS-DOS operating system reserved 360 kilobytes of that address space for its purposes, leaving 640 kilobytes for implementing and using muLisp. Awkward segmented architecture is becoming less common as memory costs decline. However, techniques for overcoming the limitations of short pointers a

mircea_popescu: "DERMATOL está programado en muLISP-90 Version 7.00 (03/06/91) para IBM . PC MS-DOS de Soft Warehouse, Inc. Las funciones están definidas en base a la estructura y algoritmo de la red neuronal ." << no, item evidently DID exist.

asciilifeform: it's an ordinary dos box, with the dos in rom

a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked

asciilifeform: sorta 90% of the reason i want a dos gnat

asciilifeform: the ultimate tester would be a dos box

mircea_popescu: worked quite well in the dos/borland days.

asciilifeform: the vendor, 'bp microsystems', interestingly still in biz. and STILL offers the dos proggy for dload!

asciilifeform: speaking of 'made in usa' weird : asciilifeform finally hunted down a rom burner that'll do those PALs : it's a 5kg behemoth that's driven by... dos box, via parallel port.

mircea_popescu: so in short, it's a property of good soft. like dos. it is eminently not a property of software in generas, witness http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#selection-113.0-143.44

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << this is elementarily troo of all soft, neh -- 'today i booted a dos box and i didn't have to write dos!' ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( wait till he learns that asciilifeform has a fleet of e.g. dos boxes. )

asciilifeform: ffa/p-tron as a dos boot disk would imho rock.

asciilifeform: ( i dun ask that the gnat also ~runs~ under dos, tho that would be 9000x spiffier even . simply ~for~ )

asciilifeform: ( if yer writing even so much as a tetris, even on dos box you needed a bit more than simply fb to do it without 'tearing', you need some way to insta-flip the 'pages' , possibly ioctl ? )

mircea_popescu: la re-puta-cion de los di-puta-dos!

BingoBoingo: log in directory daemon already read/writes, simplifies future ports to BeOS, DOS, etc

asciilifeform: i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em

asciilifeform: 'Time for Turkey’s Fragmentation' << ahahahaha usg.dos has not enuff ukrs..?

a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 04:53 ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab?

asciilifeform: ( dos dun really belong in a discussion of systems, it is more or less 'naked x86 iron, write own os per proggy' )

mircea_popescu: ye olde dos fit this, yes ? ye olde lispm, perhaps, also ?

a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked

diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: i thought you had a working dos emacs..?

asciilifeform wonders what it'd take to put sbcl on dos.

asciilifeform: a complete dos toolchain would rock unspeakably.

a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 19:35 mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?"

mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: but the dos discussion, as well as the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827171 should set this on sane footing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: now i'm curious, what you build on that dos ( i.e. do you have gnat for dos built ?! major asciilifeform-wishlist item )

phf: emacs, in dos flavor and in general, has a support for transliteration in both input and output, so you can even edit orc language with some minor discomfort

phf: i've used emacs under dos for almost a year..

trinque: possible I'd be entirely comfortable most days in a DOS + emacs, provided the term was big enough

mircea_popescu: and moreover, if that's ok, why not dos. seriously.

asciilifeform: sorta like dos 'sidekick' i guess

mircea_popescu: just like in the old days of dos.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh, i recall. except weren't days of ms-dos, were days of dos and ms was barking at the edges to be let in.

asciilifeform: plain dos vector.

ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab? ☟︎

trinque: mmm, got my dad's computer stuck in DOS back in the win95 days playing a game. I was about 7-8? he was away on a trip, so I had 2 days to "fix the computer" or certain asswhippin. found the thing in win.ini or w/e it was, changed it, avoided wrath.

a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:45 trinque: rce isn't the only thing that'd be interesting, even cpu bog-down or mem usage DoS would be relevant to staying at the front of the chain.

asciilifeform: it is a little bit funny to talk of bogdown and dos 'vulnerability' in a proggy that happily does o(n) operations at the request of allcomers

trinque: rce isn't the only thing that'd be interesting, even cpu bog-down or mem usage DoS would be relevant to staying at the front of the chain. ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought you already had one of these tho. the dos lappy.