tmsr - Log 2019-10-11

mp_en_viaje: yeah, say hi to 1000 to find 100 to ask how their day;s been to find 10 to ask a 2ns question to to find one...

mp_en_viaje: you ever read http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/ ?

mp_en_viaje: mkay, how discouraging is it ?

mp_en_viaje: why the fuck would it be discouraging, it's not like i went in caring about the retards

mp_en_viaje: i went in trying to figure out if i care or not.

billymg: i see what you're saying, and it's not fear of rejection or anything like that, it's sadness. like when i realize that even my own family/close friends will never get it

mp_en_viaje: why should they ?

billymg: because isn't that the point? try to figure out how the world works and get it to work for you

mp_en_viaje: ok, for you. but why should ~they~ ?

billymg: well, because some of them actually seem very intelligent, and seem like they'd be pretty good at it, if they cared

mp_en_viaje: so why don't they care then ?

billymg: comfort, i think they know what it means to care, and it means a loss of comfort

mp_en_viaje: well so why should you want intelligent people to be uncomfortable.

billymg: selfish reasons i suppose. that they might enlist and help the republic shape the world into what it should be

mp_en_viaje: moreover, why should you be discouraged at intelligent peoples' comfort.

billymg: it's not their comfort that's discouraging, it's their ranking of it above all else

mp_en_viaje: well, do you ?

mp_en_viaje: seems to me a lot like being discouraged in a fine pint of dark stout that some people drink budweiser. i never heard of this.

mp_en_viaje: "oh, but this is bitter" yeah "we like sweet beer ourselves" ok so have some.

mp_en_viaje: i mean, you know, it's one thing to say "dude, you're wasting your mouth with that swill, try some beer". but if they don't like it, why can't they just carry on with whatever, what diff could it possibly make.

mp_en_viaje: much easier to seek than to fix. digging through millions may seem discouraging, on the surfce, because it takes months.

mp_en_viaje: but fixing humans takes decades.

BingoBoingo: Specifically, you are going to have to link a more specific label than "link" to you you need. Also what did the link not make it through?

lobbes: BingoBoingo: I should have entered verbose mode. I assumed your line "Meanwhile in regional church happenings" was meant to be followed by some link to regional lulz

BingoBoingo: Apparently there is still one thing Paraguay produces in a more traditional manner than Uruguay

auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944605 <-- lol. these should be all of them for now. will have to fix the local trackbacks next, which will result in another deluge, this time on own blog.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 11:50:25 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, no, just spyked sent a buncha trackbacks

spyked: in related news, thetarpit.org will soon point to the same site as wp.thetarpit.org ; I'll temporarily disable thetarpit's feedbot feed while sorting this out, so I avoid any potential spam while at it

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:18:31 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940643 <-- I'll look into this as soon as I finish publishing the current mpwp work. though by the looks of it, the scp method works also works fine. fwiw I've been using it since 2013.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.

diana_coman: girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly?

diana_coman: girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead.

girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup

diana_coman: girlattorney: so have him come over, register a key, talk to people, why not

girlattorney: everyone with cameras and barb wire, still, thugs are a real thing, so these 3 fazendas have a single guard that live there and control the zone

diana_coman: is he trying to build a business or is this just his private server or what?

girlattorney: private server, depending on POV, the good or bad thing is that there is no state, bribery is the gold standard with authorities, and basically if it wants to build another facility in his area, he hasn't too much hassles with permissions

diana_coman: that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all.

girlattorney: i'll try to register him, is not very good with english. two negative points: hot as fuck and logistic is quite complicated

diana_coman: well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not.

girlattorney: i'll first ask how much costs a dedi link per mbit, as i suppose you are looking for at least 100 mbit, right?

diana_coman: if on the other hand he is busy with something else, there's no need to bother, let him do whatever he is busy with.

diana_coman: girlattorney: the main thing is re interoperation with republican systems and standards

diana_coman: if he can't/won't do that, then the rest doesn't matter, there's no need to waste time

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?

diana_coman: girlattorney: younghands.club has it in the about page really; the thing is that this is not really the best place for any & all talk.

diana_coman: girlattorney: for that matter you can see the logs of the chan too on any of the working loggers.

mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc

mp_en_viaje: Oct 11 12:41:55 <mp_en_viaje> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944785 << in the manner or of the kind of a deluge.

mp_en_viaje: Oct 11 12:45:59 * mp_en_viaje has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)

mp_en_viaje: never made it in

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 22:36:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... another trilema

mp_en_viaje: this is supposedly resistant, let's see how well it holds up.

mp_en_viaje: aww, holding up just fine ? but son... i r disappoint.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944800 << good idea.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 04:38:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944811 << so why isn't the friend you know here ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 06:25:21 girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup

mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE

mp_en_viaje: spyked, you know, still getting trilema trackbacks from your articles ; i suspect you prolly still haven't sent all.

spyked: hm... I thought the trackback sender just picks the links (when pressing "update post") and sends 'em, but it might have some timer or something. I'm doing local trackbacks as we speak and some trackbacks to my own posts arrive immediately, while some not

mp_en_viaje: the trackbacking thing prolly deserves rewriting, it proved very friable in practice.

mp_en_viaje: the only fire-sure way i know is to use the bash extractor

mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << item produces a complete list of all possible trackbacks, one per line in a self-contained bash command.

mp_en_viaje: this means that simply iterating through the list will reduce the holes and in a finite number of steps have sent all.

mp_en_viaje: but i still beleive the trackback system's broken (actually -- i believe the existence of the bash proves it must be)

spyked: mp_en_viaje, I looked at that, but since I had links in the old format (e.g. /posts/y01/some-post.html), I also have to update those for local trackbacks to be accepted. then I'll use the trilema script for the second pass, altho... yeah, normally that wouldn't be necessary

spyked: I'm at least curious to determine what trackbacks it hasn't sent. or whether xmlrpc.php responded with some error message. as it is, I don't know what's happening there

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944842 << wai lulzy? (it was responding to my !Xview command, btw. as demonstration that alive again with original data)

ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-11 10:55:14 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed]

lobbes: anyhoot, light logs this morning. Good thing there's a trilema to read with breakfast

mp_en_viaje: spyked, would be interesting to know what it doesn't send or why, but from decade experience it leaves some behind

mp_en_viaje: lobbes, well because menawhile thing got evac'd.

diana_coman: 1. we don't actually have a running and tested + everything needed Cuntoo yet

diana_coman: 2. current production server will NOT run on cuntoo either, even if available (because still needs dynamic + CS & Cal3d that are iffy)

diana_coman: 3. for as long as CS esp is not yet *fully* excised out of the dev/test server, that might *also * need non-Cuntoo

diana_coman: 4. previously, with pizarro, BOTH servers essentially ran on very specific, alf-made hardware + system

mp_en_viaje: i tell you i don't fucking know.

diana_coman: so while I have backups of both production and test systems and code and all that, I don't really know what to aim for here exactly

mp_en_viaje: to try and separate the skeins of the problem :

mp_en_viaje: 1. it seems to me that as a matter of principle, and for all its supposed benefits touted by the so inclined, custom hardware is not a practicable course in business.

diana_coman: I suppose in the best-ideal-great path, I could say : map all dependencies and make the move to cuntoo but this is essentially taking on another mountain of work with unclear everything.

mp_en_viaje: sooner or later the proponents will discover "they're poor" or however this is called more generally, and "they were only advising" or whatever you'd phrase it, "they were just saying in principle".

mp_en_viaje: i see a very thick red line uniting my experience buying a case of very valuable and very needed items that turned out to be entirely useless and practically worthless, and my experience of not being able to actually provide eulora public service.

mp_en_viaje: alf's own "i bought symbolics gear" fits right in here, just because the crap seems, or may be made to seem, important or relevant through discourse does not make it either actually important or actually relevant.

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: tbh the way I see it is that commercial enterprise may rely on "custom-made" only to the extent that it owns that production line since otherwise sooner or later it's bound to find itself stranded as far as I can tell.

mp_en_viaje: so as my current thinking goes, attemptingto run business on anything other or besides commodity hardware is ~= editing locally saved copies of websites. it works fine enough -- until you reload.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over.

mp_en_viaje: because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that you're hur

mp_en_viaje: t by buying into his idiocy, therefore he believes "nobody could accuse" his idiocy of not having any substance, and therefore (he reasons), clearly his idiocy was in fact sexy.

mp_en_viaje: if instead of doing business with a business that supposedly retained / was run by / whatever, expert craftsmen, we just hired them ourselves, we'd have been in the same exact posture. just like the man opted to not do the work of his business he'd have opted to not do the work of his employment -- arbitrarily, unreviewedly, disavowedly, and if you want ten volumes or ten shelves' worth of cover-up whine, you may be provided.

mp_en_viaje: what you WILL NOT be provided with, however, come hell or high water, is actually reliable custom solutions. they'll only appear to be working for as long as it takes you to swallow the hook, and not any longer.

mp_en_viaje: also, this luzyiness -- so my pipe occasionally saturates, which may make a freenode ping not make it through, which is ENOUGH

mp_en_viaje: dumbest design i ever heard of, freenode service can be denied notwithstanding my pipe is fucking fine.

mp_en_viaje: "as long as you don't get this one magic packet in a stream, connection's dead".

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.

mp_en_viaje: i can't bring up eulora.

asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.

mp_en_viaje: as things stand right now, in point of fact as diana_coman might well point out, the ~one argument available from strict minigame pov as to why even get test server there was "save on the hassle of trying to reproduce env".

mp_en_viaje: and, as a general point, living in environments this elaborate is expensive and dangerous.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes, but I need to get precisely same hardware too, that opteron etc.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u.

asciilifeform: evidently i bungled even this doc. ( what other docs that i published, apparently made 0 sense ? )

mp_en_viaje: this is certainly worth checking to exhaustion, because, obviously (and if not obviously, stated above), pizarro's failure is not merely a business matter, but also has serious intellectual repercussions.

asciilifeform: what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.

mp_en_viaje: so, i guess 1 can lay pending for a while, see what comes of this test.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but the problem is with "specified type".

mp_en_viaje: not with the this-or-that.

mp_en_viaje: IF one buys on the principle of customization, rather than commodification, THEREFORE one also buys the downstream. and, upon examination rather than theory, the downstream shows itself more expensive than thought, and may yet show itself more expensive than humanly sustainable.

diana_coman: asciilifeform: if I got this straight, you say the "specific" here is simply "any amd" , right?

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.

mp_en_viaje: i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.

mp_en_viaje: i was not discussing fg specifically nor do i intend to in this context.

mp_en_viaje: now, to continue the original diana_coman q : it seems maybe we don't have to answer this in any definitive sense just yet

mp_en_viaje: so let's revisit it once more when you have an answer to the above.

diana_coman: now ofc how the fuck to "test to exhaustion" here, not like I have the full range of amd and I'm not living in a dc either, ugh.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.

mp_en_viaje: your extaustion not its exhaustion.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, that work ?

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am hesitating re my exhaustion because I'm not sure that is much of a measure otherwise; sure, I can and will try it at least on what I already have and if it works, there is at least that data.

mp_en_viaje: dia i don't propose you should die with that horse. give it a fair run down, and report.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944894 << until you'll be too old to move ? like it was the case of symbolics folk ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:24:30 asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost.

asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .

diana_coman: asciilifeform: why do you keep going on about the FG. Nobody said the FG were the trouble, wtf.

mp_en_viaje: incidentally, this "ping" design whereby ONE PACKET stands for the connection, and if it is lost you're dc'd is so fucking dumb

mp_en_viaje: i hope it will die with irc/freenode and not be perpetuated.

mp_en_viaje: hear ye hear ye.

mp_en_viaje: so my megapipe is occasionally overwhelmed. so what. "oh, if you're receiving 2Gbps just when freenode decided to issue ping, you've a 50-50 shot at an exact equialent of latechco technology of blackholing, you have to remake the whle fucking connection" holy shit where the fuck do they crawl from

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip .

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, it's a simple statistical thing, occasionally manages to spew out enough junk so that the magic freenode packet is in the left out part of the spew

mp_en_viaje: because obviously can't make 2gb fit in a 1gb slot

mp_en_viaje: everything would be absolutely fine, if not for freenode misdesign, giving a damned ping packet too much power

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll run it, as promised on all amd around, at the very least; will at least have *something* to say after that, I guess.

mp_en_viaje: even tcp'd have been ok by itself. the "pingpacket" thing is dumb.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, aite.

mp_en_viaje: this weekend ?

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll start today and hopefully it won't take *that* long (no real idea though).

mp_en_viaje: it's a broken fucking mindset keeps producing the same type of error, "oh, we blackholed it". duh. because why, because in the imaginary world they live in, the cost to that is arbitratrily and self-allotedly 0.

BingoBoingo: So after playing dumb with the keys recieved this. After the running around part of the day's tasks plan to assemble something quoting chapter and verse while at the same time requesting we both work out a way to take this mess of a contract off our books in an amicable manner without making things more expensive than necessary. In no hurry to send anything off yet.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944931 << i didn't sign up for pizarro service for a coupla years. i singed up for permanent, and built business around that assumption/

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:43:50 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.

mp_en_viaje: now i am forced to rebuild, around new assumptions.

mp_en_viaje: and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to.

asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !

asciilifeform: dun rely on 1 d00d w/ short life expectancy , like on phf. the instructions are there, and are to be used.

mp_en_viaje: eventually ima hve to rely on something.

mp_en_viaje: somewhere, down the line, eventually.

BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> eventually ima hve to rely on something. << In light of the current mess, probably a lot of somethings available readily in volume.

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, lmao, so they don't answer re your key but whine about your contract ?

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sadly ; hence the opening of the discussion.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Indeed. It's like... WTF they don't expect folks to do their own manual labor and their don't expect folks to do their own reading either

mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"

mp_en_viaje: neways, ima bbl

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything.

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile 34 KKKalifornia counties are going to lose power for up to 5 days in the name of safety. As the driving rain continues outside.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?"

BingoBoingo: Likely going to end up having to fabricate boxes fot the servers requesting shipping, aside from the "phd assembly line" aspect doable.

BingoBoingo: Fellow in the local network has offered to make some introductions with respect to some potential future work oportunities in country.

BingoBoingo received a response http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ASca Note 1. In some of the useless graphs they shared, it appeared IPs outside the pizarro range though inside the latech range had been targeted. Note 2. All that had been said before with respect to CenturyLink is that CenturyLink wasn't answering inqueries from either Dedicado or CenturyLink

asciilifeform: 'if your infrastructure team have been designed a more robust security solution, that why the only solution that we found, was send your IPs to a black hole' << reads like fucking pinoy tards

mp_en_viaje: doesn't seem like it needs an answer tbh.

mp_en_viaje: maybe, i guess, something like "I'm happy you understand the significant financial liabilty your misbehaviour over the past week exposes you to. We may consider a significant compensation offer ; but in principle we'd much rather pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible."

mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was.

mp_en_viaje: or just walk away from it altogether, if you don't feel like dedicating however many weeks/months of your future life to raming the baton up some anon idiots' asshole.

BingoBoingo: Well, they can sweat this weekend. I would rather not dedicate my life forever to ramming the baton up the assholes, but delivering the breaking of the balls this week... It's been more than cathartic. My parents dun went and raised me wrong.