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mircea_popescu: "We wonder, and some Hunter may express wonder like ours, when through wilderness where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace he meets some fragment, huge, and there stops to guess. What powerful but unrecorded race once dwelt in that annihilated place ?" ☟︎
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/ << bvt's backtrace -- Mes, Part 1: stage0
mircea_popescu: bvt http://archive.is/febOU#selection-89.0-89.194 << are these people still active or is it basically ozymandias over there ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Found in the wild: http://archive.is/KZuJL#selection-1943.83-1943.229 "Someone from PornHub said that they were sick of the accusations that incest porn was a Jewish plot and also the owners of PornHub weren’t Jewish."
BingoBoingo: Of course the reasonable explanation is that incest porn's likely popular because of the mommy centric lives of the masses
mircea_popescu: i thought "incest porn" consisted mostly of daddy worship, "if he just stayed with us, i'd even suck his cock". ☟︎
BingoBoingo: That was until a couple years ago apparently
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-149.0-155.207 is precisely the example i was looking for in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900631 ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:47 mircea_popescu: you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1
mircea_popescu: and looky, logline #2mn is soon upon us!
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/SoP89 << The evidence (note "incest" returns no results. They term they respond to is "fauxcest")
BingoBoingo: 12 moms, 2 daddys, 2 aunts, 4 sisters
mircea_popescu: i dunno that this is methodologically sound. so you've counted... online instances of statement of something on the basis of a serarch ?
mircea_popescu: in ordine sparso : you have no good reason to suspect the search works (and plenty of reason to suspect it does not) ; you have no good reason to suspect objects returned have any countable relation to anything (for all you know "12 clones of the same 1 momstory") ; and you have no reason to suspect the mental process discussed would produce countable objects (is a herd of dependopotami ordering vanilla icecream proof they li
mircea_popescu: ke it better than chocolate ? maybe they just think chocolate icecream fattens, so they DO NOT ORDER IT for that reason -- but also can't do w/o icecream, so... vanilla itis.)
BingoBoingo: Well It's first page results, the promoted stuff. Dunno there's a methodologically sound way to investigate an SV trap
mircea_popescu: myeah.
BingoBoingo: Weak evidence, but apparently the people compiling the searches like mommy more than they like being daddy
BingoBoingo: Could be forced meme, could be retardation
mircea_popescu: or the psychological tension produced in their head by "please daddy, stay, i'll even suck your cock!!!" vs "what, are you a faggot ?!" gets them to scapegoat the evil dumb bitch whose whole fault he left it is in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i can't conceptualize pure oedipian complex of raw-raw-ima-fuck-ma without the other trappings. soft, female-emulating kids are NOT oedipian, because can not be.
BingoBoingo: Or a way of coping with daddy leaving by trying to be just as good without having the good sense to leave
BingoBoingo: Maybe they don't understand what the fuck fucking is, and "just want to" really love mom?
mircea_popescu: now this is a possible alternative.
BingoBoingo: Or the alienation angle. They want to REALLY by loved by a loving mom, and not have that cold bitch keeping them down
BingoBoingo: Could also be the Indian kids watching because they suspect an old blonde is easier to imagine themselves bagging.
mircea_popescu: matches well that group of "transsexuals" who evidently enough are so preoccupied with cunt, they just want one of their own. about as "transsexual" as the compulsive gambler who buys himself a slot machine for his "den" is "transeconomic", ☟︎
BingoBoingo: The intense decoupling of ideas and reality opens up a lot of weirdspace
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's this very strong "send us your fat, your old, your ugly women [with divorce settlements" blowqing all over arab lands, for 3decade+ by now.
BingoBoingo: AHA
mircea_popescu: s/blowqing/wind blowing/
BingoBoingo read NZ "ecofascist" thing last night. Very light reading. Other than the clash of cultures butthurt dude very much profiles as a Pantsuitist.
mircea_popescu: there's really not so much possibility of independent thought outside. manalone ain't got what it takes to compete.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later, will be found copy/pasting "really well chosen" bits of wikipedia, as per that old lolz.
mircea_popescu: (douchebag there splattered STILL hasn't gotten over the simple fact that no, ~he~'s not good enough lels)
BingoBoingo: Or this one http://trilema.com/2014/klye-or-confession-of-a-degenerate-adnotated/#selection-57.0-95.113
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha i had even forgotten this lulzpile
mircea_popescu: "KLYE: Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P"
BingoBoingo: Was back when Dooglus had taken over the gambling space with one of the few Honest forum investments
mircea_popescu: he's telling me what "the thing about whores is". and it sounds just like the thing about girlfriends, the oneofwhich is away "at school".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, that dood made some terrible choices in his life, didn't he.
BingoBoingo: he HAD a firmer grip on the space than Erik did
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you happen to remember which trilema article explains the pantsuit attack on functioning systems, "1. expand franchise to include morons" ?
BingoBoingo: gimme a minute
Mocky: greetings mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: how goes it mockster ?
BingoBoingo: Greetings Mocky
Mocky: it goes well, getting my blog moved over to mp-wp. finding a 2.7 compatible theme
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-17#1902994 << I thought incest porn consisted mostly of boys unable to talk to girls fantasizing about fucking anything already stuck in the same house ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 15:25 mircea_popescu: i thought "incest porn" consisted mostly of daddy worship, "if he just stayed with us, i'd even suck his cock".
mircea_popescu: Mocky i do not credit that theory.
mircea_popescu: what exactly do you imagine is the difference of satisfaction between "boy unable to talk to girls" who gets to see any priss' naked ass whenever he can summon the interest looking at such ass and talking to a girl ? what, that he can make mortgage and alimony payments in the latter case ? let's not get ridiculous, porn thoroughly resolved any sexual interest of the young male, and much better than reality could ever hope to
mircea_popescu: compete. which is why the plaintive whine of the fappened girls was that "they have to take naked pics, like it or not, it's the minimal bar to compete on the sexual market".
mircea_popescu: it is, of course. da fuck does the kid care.
mircea_popescu: those boys who "can't talk to girls" could talk to girls just fine -- but they don't perceive it pays. correctly, because it doesn't. (much like the ~same boys come here refuse to talk to the outside, because they naively extend what worked for them irl -- except here, it doesn't, there's not gonna be a pizarro withou talking to the scary outside, nor is there gonna be a "trilema irc" other than by people federating servers i
mircea_popescu: n other networks, and so fucxking following)
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> it goes well, getting my blog moved over to mp-wp. finding a 2.7 compatible theme << The default chops up rather nicely
Mocky: mircea_popescu: how does that idea support the daddy worship view?
mircea_popescu: i don't know that it supports it ; i believe it entirely sinks any possibility of the alternative you present holding though.
mircea_popescu: (not that it's the only avenue, either. plenty available -- for one thing, contemporary mother will probably very much put out, even if maybe not for her own son, for amanda's two streets down. they could have the old airman's wife club, if they cared to. they do not care to.)
Mocky: sure but what's porn got to do with what contemporary mother will actually do?
mircea_popescu is of the belief that http://trilema.com/2014/ken-park/ is period-accurate ethnological notation as to family life and sexual mores in just-about-to-disappear america.
mircea_popescu: Mocky let me write that sentence down again, i suspect it suffers in notation.
mircea_popescu: 1. admitting there is such a thing as a "boy unable to talk to girls", 2. you are stuck admitting that this same boy can nevertheless look at any piece of ass he wants, as proven by the social media event known as "the fappening", 3. in which case you are left to somehow introduce a putative difference of satisfaction, between doing just that and talking to girls -- 4. because i tell you i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: ie, that exemplary boy would not be bothered to fuck his mother even if she were right there spreading an' begging for it (something we suspect her just about desperate enough to actually do, by now), on account of the much more interesting happenings on the screen. in which case, it's strictly impossible an oedipian complex is driving him.
Mocky: how can there be a difference for fap bois getting 'satisfaction' from porn, and the statisfaction from something which they can't bring themselves to do, ever?
mircea_popescu: this is like asking me "how can there be a difference between chewing risotto and chewing concrete -- i never could bring myself to try chewing concrete"
mircea_popescu: perhaps there's a reason for the latter ? you want to propose people chew concrete, you gotta come up with ~SOME~ theory as to why it'd be good.
mircea_popescu: what'd the boy get, if he put down the fap-pad and talked to little miss sunshine two doors down ? less satisfying sex than his own hand can provide and mortgage payments, what else ?
Mocky: how's he to know that?
Mocky: he know's he's alone and never getting laid
mircea_popescu: this 1990s-era theory whereby "the poor onanist, missing out on cheese for chewing the rinds" was, perhaps, defensible then.
mircea_popescu: whatever rando teen can encounter on his own horsepower is not only not worth putting down the fap-pad, but is SO SHOCKINGLY BELOW that standard it overwhelms his (admittedly limited) mathematical powers. it's strictly irrepresentably bad.
mircea_popescu: consider that my productivity is measured in the parts per MILLION, and these millions are already EXTREMELY heavily selected for unelective properties, and then think of the sophisitcation of the machinery working that conversion rate. you think joe-from-suburbia can match any of this ? how.
mircea_popescu: and don't fucking tell me that "but oh mp, among the vast fields of females under 25, there's a few parts per million for everyone!! you find yours, they find theirs" bs. i take ~anything that moves.
Mocky: no, i agree it won't be worth putting it down. but it's not like they are fed up with chix and are now like, 'might as well porn.' they never had the chix and fantasize of the real thing
mircea_popescu: how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: the devil himself knows not the mind of man, yet mocky can tell by some pixels ? WHAT PIXELS!!! is all i'm trying to get out of you, show me 'em.
Mocky: i'm generalizing from people i have met, and how they would shit themselves before walking up to a girl.
mircea_popescu: so far, the theory here articulates "1. the incest porn can't be odepian-fueled because 2. the only possible perception of his own mother is as a lesser teenage goat which 3. he can't be bothered with the better ones, why the fuck would he be interested in the lesser ones not to mention 4. if he actually was in the slightest interested, us suburban life would likely consist of the boys gangbanging the wives after schoo, "thur
mircea_popescu: sday means joes' mom sucks us all off."
mircea_popescu: oedipian*
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you happen to remember which trilema article explains the pantsuit attack on functioning systems, "1. expand franchise to include morons" ? << http://trilema.com/2018/incursion-in-classical-pantsuit-discourse/#selection-181.0-201.0
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this says the thing, but isn't the one i had in mind ;/
mircea_popescu: the one i had in mind specifically discusses the matter from the perspective of pantsuit attacking traditional system, by expanding the franchise thus lowering the average quality of the participant thus undermining the defensible functioning of traditional institutions.
Mocky: mircea_popescu: seems to me that 1. the incest porn is anxiety fueled because 2. he is surounded by chix he'll never approach and he know's he never will 3. the fanasy porn where mom / sister seduces ~him~ lets him imagine getting laid without the burden of trying to be an agent
mircea_popescu: sounds more like laziness driven, but i guess this is also a perfectly workable scheme (and, anthropologically, the actual driver of actual incest in the sort of isolated communities where it happens, ozarks, switzerland & co.)
mircea_popescu: for lulz : i suppose everyone is aware that the word cretin is the byproduct of euphemism threadmill, dood was trying to introduce the word "christian" ("cretien") to discuss the deeply retarded inhabitants of small isolated villages up in the alps.
mircea_popescu: Mocky the only problem i see is that if this were true, it'd be the sisters, not the mothers. and there's actually an "unknown" (because pantsuit media ignores, so that matters, hurr) interest group pushing for raising the legal ban on this. they even have a whole rational argument, "since anticonceptionals..."
mircea_popescu: i expect they'll succeed after the potheads and before the pedos, ~same chances as the dog-and-pony fuckers.
Mocky: i expect equal part laziness. I'd also expect the sisters and not the mothers
mircea_popescu: (the important thing the amateur freudian is to keep in mind is that the "universal" quality pretended to the framework is not universal at all -- but very speciffic to the time and place, the setting, tired imperial vienna. in different conditions -- same breakage can take different forms)
mircea_popescu: anyway, BingoBoingo 's theory can also be constructed into a third possible explanation : VHS america for a new generation, "they're so loose there, so '''freee''', sons even fuck their mothers!!!" thinks 19yo chowdry rasmadumberthanrockes while wanking it in glee. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: considering there's more kids in india trying to get / having recently gotten into us colleges than there's kids in the us jacking off, one could readily explain pornhub elements on this cultural driver.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of this exogenous porn. the whole trope of "blacks supremacy porn" is ~entirely white male interest item. no depiction of a female elf in a classic mmorpg was made to appeal to females. and so following.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema excavations, http://trilema.com/2010/rottencom/ << anyone remember the item ? sorta early www bbs
asciilifeform still in writing mode
asciilifeform: but cannot resist to ask mircea_popescu -- i thought sisterfucking required some seriously nonstandard brain miswire . neh ?
mircea_popescu: actually doing it or jacking off to pictures labeled thusly ?
asciilifeform: doing, in anger
mircea_popescu: as far as we know, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i dunno it's ever done in anger ; afaik it's a process of wholy vegetable male, where cock gets hard but eyes stay vacant. the female will mount it eventually, because the female will mount what she has available.
asciilifeform: well fourlegged critters will happily fuck anyffing, i expect it's an extention of that, rear brain worx , front brain unplugged
mircea_popescu: sister-brother fucking is, to my knowledge, just about never male-driven.
asciilifeform never directly witnessed subj, will have to buy
mircea_popescu: father-daughter is male driven. (son-mother is very much discussed but actually rarer than pixie dust)
asciilifeform: blame greeks
mircea_popescu: actually, thjis is adaptative.
mircea_popescu: yes there's a biological cost to endogamy. however, there's also a biological cost to eschewing the dominant male.
mircea_popescu: if they're close, father-daugther fucking becomes biologically free option.
mircea_popescu: (this also explains why son-mother so rare : there's two manners of human accuplation, type 1 as in missionary sex, where the female tries to hold on to a dominant male for child support and type 2 as in she's walking side by side holding dominant male's hand but turns her ass so cadet male can fuck her on the quiet. type 2 maintains as a behaviour because it produces diversity -- it's for instance the principal driver of pen
mircea_popescu: ile size. this would be the mode of son-mother, and guess what, it fails in its only promise, no diversity there. so... absent in practice.)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found it btw, it was http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/febOU#selection-232.8-255.136 << this shit's fucking hysterical.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/lets-look-at-the-mechanism-of-decay/ << Trilema -- Let's look at the mechanism of decay
mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/#selection-205.0-205.108 << i agree with this, and must confess i'm quite impressed.
mircea_popescu: IMO it makes no sense adopting the VM, given that apparently mips.v7 will be the republican CPU architecture on ice40. << i very much not agree ; much too soon to standardize this. ☟︎
billymg: hiya trilema
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely too soon. i'm not convinced that we want the flaglessness, for instance (mips buys with it , the pipeline, but do we even want pipeline)
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: hello billymg
billymg: i was finally able to get back to some mp-wp work this weekend, with the focus of ripping out unnecessary LOC. after some time getting oriented again it took a few hours to remove ~5k lines just from some "google gears" thing and various "importers" for importing posts from other platforms
billymg: i think there's another order of magnitude lines of LOC that can be removed similarly, but i thought i'd check and see what features should _not_ be removed
billymg: for example, the "wysiwyg" editor, tinymce, that is packaged with wordpress. do any of the current mp-wp users use this? i personally edit in the raw-html input for posts
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about "ease of use" in that sense, only way to import into mp-wp is via flatfile anyway. so knock yourself out with all that.
billymg: awesome!
mircea_popescu: billymg i also edit in the raw html.
mircea_popescu: however -- i do use the image inserter. and afaik that is tinymce powered. hanbot ?
billymg: cool, and that's a pretty hefty library
billymg: ah
billymg: i can investigate. assuming image uploading/linking can be handled without tinymce, but still within wp-admin, would tinymce still be needed?
hanbot: mircea_popescu as far as i can tell image insertion dosen't actually rely on tinymce, though there may well be a snaggletooth of it in the php scripts therein somewhere. unhelpfully enough, "i don't think so, but i wouldn't wanna swear".
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 6 days, 0 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3YS3U/?raw=true
billymg: to describe my overall thinking/strategy with mp-wp, i would like to 1) rip out everything not absolutely necessary for the basic functions of blogging/moderating 2) after arriving at the bare minimum, fit what's left in my head to then evaluate ways to simplify/improve/rewrite
hanbot: anyway fwiw i dun use and see no use for the wysiwyg editor thingamajig otherwise.
billymg: as sort of a backwards way to arrive at http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:54 spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
billymg: hanbot: that's encouraging, ty
mircea_popescu: billymg not really useful for anything else afaik, and i wouldn't mind it going.
mircea_popescu: but the described methodology is sound.
mircea_popescu: if you get it ready to testing, you can either talk with BingoBoingo to install it somewhere or install it yourself, i'll testrun and definitely let you know if anything broke my flow.
billymg: ok sounds good
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo found it btw, it was http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << For somereason thought you wanted an older one and there were so many that came close
mircea_popescu: aha!
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 17: Introduction to Peh.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plz snarf ch17 : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3134 , ty
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
shinohai: Nice handy chart asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: And never forget:
BingoBoingo: ;;goxlag
asciilifeform: shinohai: i am pleased that you like it, but must note that if you had read ch13-16 , would have already seen most of it before..
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715. - Part V.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part IV
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-16#1902970 << indeed! quite a summary. ben_vulpes pointed me at that tome. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-16 01:05 mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ do anything for you ?
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/turkeys-erdogan-called-out-in-manifesto-by-eco-terrorist-brenton-tarrant-using-attack-footage-in-campaign-rallies/ << Qntra -- Turkey's Erdogan, Called Out In Manifesto By Eco-Terrorist Brenton Tarrant, Using Attack Footage In Campaign Rallies