tmsr - Log 2019-02-08

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-139.9098-139.9968 << dun seem like diana_coman's mechanism specialized by creating different 'species' of 'worker' -- but by using case selector, as i expected it would. therefore it remains a puzzle to me why to terminate an' rebirth'em ( to save a few kB of ram when machine load is light ?? )

mircea_popescu: you can't go "it doesn't seem to me this architectural model is very strong, seems made of polystyrene". yes, the model's made of polystyrene.

mircea_popescu: "i was nitpicking re strength, not the model per se". wth, it's not necessary the model airplane used to test out the worker hive's going to contain the sort of seating inside you can ~rely on~ to see in the finished item. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( as i understand, it could only happen if there is catastrophic error in the logic ? )

mircea_popescu: well no, it couyld happen because hardware is shit, software is shit, electromagnetism, you name it.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:49 asciilifeform: on that subj, attentive ffa reader will notice in certain places asciilifeform marked in comment 'cosmic ray resistance' . this indicates mechanisms where there are two or more separate pieces that ensure a correct computation (or death with alarm bells) if somehow bit flips , when this is inexpensive.

asciilifeform intends eventually to actually try ffa on a micro with deliberately-glitchy environment, e.g. inside that xray oven, and see how this goes in real life

asciilifeform: the tricky bit with experiments like that, is that if you fry it enuff you get sram cells that go metastable, rather than simply flip, and then all bets off

asciilifeform: sorta why people still occasionally bother to bake 'si on saphire' etc rather than 'hey let's tandem 9000 konsoomer z80'

asciilifeform: will note tho, that if yer machine aint actually intended to fly on a rocket, placing it in a pb bottle is cheaper than baking saphire ic.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu may also find interesting , that apparently ~soft~ xray is 'glitchier' than hard ( the latter tends to penetrate w/out transferring energy )

asciilifeform: in that light the oven oughta make a good ic frier, has adjustable voltage. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893553 << as a very small boy, asciilifeform had this toy, where little rocket with two plastic cosmonauts inside, and they were molded in such a way that they only had torso/arms/head, were whole with the cockpit; and took it, as 3-4y.o. might, quite literally, 'in the dark fyootoor man will be grown into ship, live an' die together' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 00:10 mircea_popescu: "i was nitpicking re strength, not the model per se". wth, it's not necessary the model airplane used to test out the worker hive's going to contain the sort of seating inside you can ~rely on~ to see in the finished item.

asciilifeform: i dun think i had a woman-spider single-mold tentaclerape scene as toy. ( maybe in jp they do ? )

asciilifeform: oddly enuff i did not have this reaction to e.g. tin soldier molded in permanent pose with rifle, or similar .

mircea_popescu: reportedly centroamericans had same thought when presented with equestrian tin toys.

asciilifeform: oh ha, apparently ~errything~ is sitting on teh net somewhere, https://archive.is/gReBS << subj, behold.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/5dIdw << apparently other variants were even moar depressing, this poor fucker has only head

mircea_popescu: it got so bad in mini-mp household, my father got me a stack of superalloy things. "how can you give that to a child ? you realise what can happen if he swallows one ?" (they were these thin tiny discs with hole in middle, enameled)

mircea_popescu: "do you realise what happens if he keeps mining $50 toys for 35 cent magnets ?"

mircea_popescu: was the only way -- they had to be better, i wouldn't lower myself to mine inferior stuff.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "Chinese manufacturers have become a dominant force in neodymium magnet production, based on their control of much of the world's sources of rare earth mines. The United States Department of Energy has identified a need to find substitutes for rare earth metals in permanent magnet technology, and has begun funding such research. The Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy has sponsored a Rare Earth Alternativ

mircea_popescu: es in Critical Technologies (REACT) program, to develop alternative materials. In 2011, ARPA-E awarded 31.6 million dollars to fund Rare-Earth Substitute projects."

mircea_popescu: the sheer unmitigated gall to announce "they identified and sponsored". what the fuck's it supposed to do, i identified a need for more sluts and sponsored the creation thereof at two bits a titpair. what, usg,dea is better than me or something, is the hallucination here ?

mircea_popescu: leaving aside how the 2011 thread seems to never have return to nobody's concern. coulda baked some quantum computing magnets for the same money.

mircea_popescu: in fact, pressed shitboard supermagnet just as likely as 3d-printed quantum computer or whatever the fuck else. they get all the amateur twerps to pretend like pressed shitboard made houses are 100% true and real houses, what's keeping the imaginary magnets and imaginary computers i wish to know ?

asciilifeform: i suppose in 1 sense 'succeeded', iirc principal eater of nd magnet was ye olde mech hdd. tho i dunthink the rise of ssd had any to do with usg idjicy, only w/ korean coolies slaving in 4 shifts

mircea_popescu: the us could be producing supermagnets out of discarded starbucks cups just as well as it makes "bridges" or "college graduates" or whatever else they supposedly make.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still no way to have high performance electric engine without high performance magnet. which is all the lulzier considering usgistani "innovation" in "how to go three miles to the galon by first turning it into a large lithium battery"

mircea_popescu: except the us has no train infrastructure to speak of still, and instead of fixing that obvious problem blew wad on anti-car ; and the sligtht advantage submarine had historically is mostly gone, by now sub and ship equally detecvtable.

asciilifeform: i expect there will be plenty of attempted-'substitute' lulz, a la the wooden spokes in wheels of late imperial jp trucks.

asciilifeform: it is even rumoured that usg is pouring printolade into fischer-tropsch , a la the ~prev~ reich

mircea_popescu: already in full swing. the one response when getting $item for enslaved usgistani girly is "o wow this is the best $item i ever had".

asciilifeform: ( coal is moar or less the 1 mineral resource left in north a in any substantial qty )

mircea_popescu: which is so su it screams, except of course it dun scream audibly enough to penetrate the us moron shell.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 02:40 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet , ~erry day at breakfast : 'when can i eat apple that tastes like apple again'

asciilifeform: see, they haven't found how to make a jonathan apple from anthracite just yet. Moar Studies Needed (tm)(r)

mircea_popescu: a need to not fucking starve was identified, and the ministry of idle pomp and spurious circumstance has issued a raft of confetty with scribblings on them in this general direction!

asciilifeform: in su there were always legends of d00d who keeps cow in city flat and feeds to it 'pravda'

mircea_popescu: that's not even so much the problem, rather us unlike su very dedicated to feeding moron's vanity, consequently lots of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893406 sheer cheek. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 18:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you."

mircea_popescu: famously, a hungarian was defined cca 1890s, as that species of moron who would rather eat soap wrapped in paper painted his coutnry's flag than french cheese in a plain wrapper.

mircea_popescu: the ustard is that species of moron who imagines anything outside his shithole doesn't, properly speaking, exist.

BingoBoingo: Blog post incoming, an Indula in one of the giant, ancient concrete human warehouses on the Rambla is engulfed in flame. Rest of the building looked ok.

BingoBoingo: 1 fire truck and 4 bombaderos on their motocicletas were on their way down the street when I finished my rubbernecking

BingoBoingo: Smell of burning chicom plastic carried a few blocks. Have a handful of usable pictures.

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diana_coman: asciilifeform, one could certainly keep at all times 64 worker threads idling and waiting for jobs; initially I had implemented it precisely as such: all it takes is to accept a Get_Job request only when there IS a job to hand out; it adds a bit of complexity in there though because there has to be a flag for "available job" and then it has to be kept up to date correctly (which can be a bit tricky as it's not only when a job is added, it'

diana_coman: s also when a job is finished since the player id may be released or when/if a worker aborts unexpectedly )

diana_coman: re workers aborting unexpectedly: it shouldn't happen, no; but I can't rely on it not happening

diana_coman: that being said, I'm not sure in fact that there is a need for the Initialize procedure itself if I'm to cut something out (it's enough to initialize the array when declaring it - although technically it will happen later than within initialize,it's still before anyone gets to use it so perfectly adequate)

mircea_popescu: the problem is, since you can't guarantee workers staying up, you'll need a way to create them anyway.

mircea_popescu: it is actually better to have a robust life.death cycle than to pretend like death ain't supposed to happen.

diana_coman: re workers and specialisation: the worker tasks are not specialised, they do whatever job they are given and moreover the choice is made by job type as it were

mircea_popescu: there's nothing to force you to kill them any more often than you benefit from anyway.

diana_coman: in mircea_popescu's model/apache terminology the "workers" are in fact my jobs there: they get created , executed, finish

diana_coman: I suspect asciilifeform's point was more along the lines: why kill them at all instead of letting them idle in there until something to do; not really "why do you bother having a way to create them?"

mircea_popescu: apache workers ain't jobs ; and i took alf's comments to mean "why are you killing them 9k times/s", which is in his usual style of random assumptive approach, nobody said they'd be killed often.

diana_coman: if there's nothing for them to do, they get killed; but not sure what's the point in keeping them idling anyway; i.e. if it's busy then no, they don't get killed

diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i suspect you'll end up with them specialized, rather than case-switched, on acct of the overhead involved. however, time wil ltell

mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in things that end up eating runtime to "elaborate" and whatever ion thios vein. ☟︎

diana_coman: hm, you mean the overhead at creating the job itself then (as that's the object that gets bigger to elaborate)

mircea_popescu: every time you load one you have to load the whole pile of everything, for the whole case set. eventually (it stands to reason) you'll find it cheaper to specialize them. ☟︎

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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893544 -> adding to this, on (re)^n -read of docs I doubt there's any benefit in having a controlled type in there; essentially the main thread will *wait* for all tasks spawned by the SJM to finish from what I understand; so then aborting them in a Finalize makes precisely 0 sense and instead I should probably make it a plain array and offer users of the package a non-synchronised procedure to abort them ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 23:56 asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-109.1672-109.1738 << will be interesting to see if this functions if stuffed into a static lib, in light of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889467 puzzler

diana_coman: if /when desired (i.e. at shutdown time, the sequence might be something along the lines send stop signal to sjm and then /after a while, if there is anything still running, call the abort)

BingoBoingo: For the Unfairness files: Local media finally reporting last night's fire. What picture do they put above the fold? One lifted from wikipedo where fire wasn't. http://archive.is/2AVuL

BingoBoingo: Though they did cover Uruguay's foreign minister pointing out the obvious: "Para Nin Novoa, Guaidó "es más ilegítimo" que Maduro" https://archive.is/fflqI

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893667 << this is mistake, and imho subtle and worth addressing , i wrote an illustration for mircea_popescu : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TXKlj/?raw=true ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in things that end up eating runtime to "elaborate" and whatever ion thios vein.

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asciilifeform: in the pictured example, the only item that ends up loaded is the requested one. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893671 specifically aint so. ( tho you ~still~ may want to specialize'em for ~different~ reason, if , say, it makes the proggy moar clear ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: every time you load one you have to load the whole pile of everything, for the whole case set. eventually (it stands to reason) you'll find it cheaper to specialize them.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893662 << as i currently understand, it will be whatever the pthread overhead is on the given linux ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:45 diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway

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BingoBoingo: I may have to. May also have to stop by the Bomberos, but that probably involves a lot of union wank.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 15:45 asciilifeform: in the pictured example, the only item that ends up loaded is the requested one.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nevermind the bomberos, and fi you're going to do it at all do it today.

diana_coman: hm, in possibly interesting ada-bits: apparently "abort" for tasks does not really kill them if /when they are in an infinite loop; according to ada docs I got the idea of "abort-deferred" i.e. in some states it won't abort but "infinite loop or waiting for a procedure call to return" did not seem to figure there; in practical terms this means that my workers will have to attempt any Job in a guarded manner i.e. give up on it after some ma

diana_coman: ximum set time, so that they can guarantee that they will NEVER block no matter what

diana_coman: (since if they block, they also block the whole thing that is stuck waiting on them and can't kill them even)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill them after a set time established administratively.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll shoot em an email today. Their office is out in the sticks near the Palacio Legislativo. Long walk for a below the fold story.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it might tickle you to find that while the mountain lion (aka, puma) is a species of "least concern" (ie, in the pantsuit designator of animal concern trolling, they figure as "excluded") nevertheless the pantsuit comfortably living off other people's income in and around los angeles are "advising" "the town" on how to "improve genetic diversity" in the "fragmented" populations.

mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it then follows there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Team puma is also down a young male after it aggressed against a jogger and got choked out this week. Not really qntra, but in the files for blogfodder.

mircea_popescu: how can anyone be "down a young male" ? that's what the fuck they're for, i'm not "down six boxes" because i got six boxes on atm.

BingoBoingo: They are "down a young male" in the same way Baltimore or Ferguson profess to be before they ritually burn so the big drug drop can make it in

mircea_popescu: yeah, say, i was watching some oliver stone flicks (as part of an aborted integral, jesus that guy sucks, and the 70s suck with him) and in one of them lester (of cucking de niro in casino fame) was a very poor reporter going to san salvador to report on the 1970s maduro thing there (which btw -- last i heard still ongoing).

BingoBoingo: "Asshole jogger teased its diverse prey seeking drive, then choked the poor kitty after baiting it"

mircea_popescu: 1970s us poverty very much correctly and convincingly depicted, and then when running into latino poverty, he excalims "shit, this is like baltimore or something"

mircea_popescu: so now, considering this 1970-2020 fiddy year bridge -- how is baltimore ? did the black preachers turn it into a garden yet ?

BingoBoingo: How unfair the Uruguayos managed to produce a second city center in their capital during the interval.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893711 << iirc it was seriously usg.considered to introduce proper, african lion to 'midwest' usa ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it then follows there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.

mircea_popescu: one way to think of species is in terms of morphology, classify-by-what-it-looks-like.

mircea_popescu: this was fashionable in the 1800s, but to my eye today, better way to think of species is in terms of immune system protein trees.

mircea_popescu: large cats are very vulnerable to common pneumococcus, whioch makes one wonder whether it being "the cow disease" in humans is merely coincidence

mircea_popescu: of course, education, esp common trunk education, dun include anything as modern as support for this non-1800s approach.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893706 << consider this gedankenexperiment: say you have an infinite loop, incrementing a variable N. at some point you asynchronously kill it. what is N then ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:28 diana_coman: not while they are in an infinite loop it seems

a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it

mircea_popescu: no dude, the appeal of "do what i tell you to do" is an artefact of the republic even existing in the first place.

mircea_popescu: moreover, it's quite evident WHENCE it came in this discussion : we have some problems to solve.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you permit asynchronous killing of thread, ~any~ part of your proggy could conceivably end up as that N, you have nfi what that thing was doing when you shot it

asciilifeform: so it's same 'so' as 'hey i'll follow a dangling pointer if i damn well please, so'

mircea_popescu: yes, and if i have a gun in the house "anyone could in principle end up pointed at with it". wtf is this, pantsuit hour ?

mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q is why you even ~have~ a wedgedeable -- i.e. having to be async-killed -- subprocess in yer proggy.

mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then". ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not the fucking question. the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow" the shit dun die when i say.

asciilifeform: this is entirely correct, if you have a wedgeable subprocess in a correctly-written proggy, there is a catastrophic mistake and time to switch whole thing off and find where.

mircea_popescu: the only possible basis for society, human as well as computer, is "all sons live exactly as long as father permits them, and no longer."

mircea_popescu: this is besides the point. my power to kill any thing at any time shall not be infringed.

mircea_popescu: if ada does not manage to provide me with all the tools i need to the exclusion of the power switch, i will ditch ada and move on to programming in power switches.

mircea_popescu: there can not be such a thing as a language that infringes the father's priviledge.

mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this. ☟︎

asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get at the underlying pthread and term it, if you gotta. just like you can get at raw c ptrs , as illustrated in e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis . my observation aint 'shuddyp and suck, lang tied yer hands for yer own good' but 'if your proggy is actually correct, you won't find yerself ~having~ to individually scalpel out threads'

mircea_popescu: so then i'm guessing if indeed this problem is encountered thing should just die altogether. ☟︎

asciilifeform: to run with mircea_popescu's analogy, you want to birth the sons such that they go, when ordered, to the seppuku room, lay down the white sheet, and carefully dump out their guts into the provided pot; rather than having to chop'em up in yer living room, where they'll shit selves, thrash around breaking the fine china, and make whatever other mess.

asciilifeform actually grasps mircea_popescu's pov quite well, after coupla decades with broken soft that does 'whatever it feels like', one starts thinking of 'i want control' in the sense of 'all i want is a big enuff spiked club to smash it all with'. but if you ~actually have~ proper control, cuz you wrote a correct proggy, then what you really want is 'feldmarschall's baton', not club.

asciilifeform: rright but with the implicit 'and after kill you, will get new one, who does what was told'

mircea_popescu: and ftr, it's not "coupla decades with broken soft". it's coupla decades interacting socially with the women and children "of" inept http://bimbo.club/2019/02/the-travel-guide/ dorks, so that i'm stuck lowering my backseat window and screaming "does she ever get laid ?!" to mother-daughter couple sutured at the palm-elbow joint.

asciilifeform: btw in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893771 , ye olde dos, for all of its virtues, is possibly worst example, when you run yer proggy there, os loses all control, you may as well have booted straight into yer proggy without any os ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:05 mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this.

asciilifeform: ( to the point that the sov pc clone 'iskra', 1st comp i ever laid hands on, actually had a cpu reset key ~on kbd~ , nice big red thing )

asciilifeform: it's a bitch tho, what you really want is to lose the wedge, rather than errything you keyed in the past xx min. hence asciilifeform's elaboration of the principle in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 .

mircea_popescu: i'm not against a kernel that a) never itself crashes and b) always kills anything i want FOR me, and elegantly.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/mOXQE << for thread-completeness. iskra kbd. the magic 'anykey' is on upper left hand.

asciilifeform: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's brother introduced the red button to him as 'эникей' , and for yrs later thought this, 'ha, programmers sadistically exhort green n00b to reset cpu'

asciilifeform: afaik what passes for comp nowadays ( where 'it dun fit on the pnoje screen!!11' ) often dun even ~have~ a reset.

mircea_popescu still recalls discussion in the heart of what later became one of romania's largest isps, when sold to i udn recall who : five dudes each with large-ish ad hoc networks (i suspect you recall those) were talking about pooling, and they needed what in the civilised world is a peering noc, and it was discussed what items to buy

mircea_popescu: and i said "why would you buy these small shits, they don't even have a reset button"

mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks. ☟︎

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then".

diana_coman: and to clarify just in case there was any doubt: NO, workers are not meant to loop for ever or any such nonsense; BUT I still can't assume that can not happen!

mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop ☟︎

diana_coman: sure, as the code shows there is no infinite loop anyway yes; workers will wait on Get_Job and that's pretty much

diana_coman: but the whole thing here was more about what completing the job means - which so far is not defined and at any rate it's defined with the Job, not with the worker as it were; anyway, I stumbled on this just as part of usual "poke new things around in all directions"

asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388 ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:15 asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie

asciilifeform: i.e. even ~there~ you dun have the desired 'thread could have been doing anyffin at all, but can cleanly async-term it' .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893803 << i was reading this and waiting for the inevitable 'and then one day elbow' but apparently nodice ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:46 mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks.

asciilifeform: incidentally virtually all the cages in BingoBoingo's magic cellar contain 1 or moar (old enuff to show yellowing...) desktops/towers

mircea_popescu: ugc-europe / "liberty global" being this sorta economic warfare support wing, back in the 90s when they still had a clue re http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-25#581083 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-03-25 20:52 mircea_popescu: same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state

mircea_popescu: "In May 2011, UPC launched for the first time the 3D technology, which changed the TV program viewing modality."

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893807 << the 1 concern there is blocking unix i/o calls, these can potentially wedge ( if not wrapped with appropriate timeout ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop

asciilifeform: ideally you wouldn't even i/o from a worker thread, imho, only main prog would i/o.

asciilifeform: ( in re the q of how to keep thread from wedging ~each other~, consult dijkstra, not asciilifeform )

mircea_popescu: eh, the divergence between what they put in their reports to shareholders and what's going on irl is aptly summarized by that "which changed the TV program viewing modality" wooden tongue explosion.

mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (the usgistani model, where "career women" and "corporate life" and what the fuck is ~particularly~ amusing in romania, where the difference between this, http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth and the lengthy history of male receptive homosexuality social expression can simply not be made.

mircea_popescu: notwithstanding it distinguishes among things like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893496 is native and automatic. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 20:05 mircea_popescu: romanians imply various subtle distinction. eg, "gargaun" would be the sort of skittering beetle that digs unseen and ruins structures, like termite or weevil (the folk name of which, "gargarita", very much model for name)

mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i ☟︎

mircea_popescu: t went, "dear employees, please do not refer to the hr vp as 'nefututa aia'" and so following to exhaustion.

mircea_popescu: pity the internet wasn't invented by romanians, it'd have racial resistance to trolling built in by default.

mircea_popescu: (i know it sounds ridoinculous, but obscure starlet took job to do some show or other in ro and as a result ended up hounded by ~all males, including the "finance minister" (a "technocratic expert" bla bla etcetera), the star soccer player, the star tennis player / chief bisnitar etc.

mircea_popescu: nobody even fucking knows such a thing as "laura stone" even existed, except for romanians old enough to recall the 90s.

asciilifeform wonders whether e.g. that microshit compound in bucharest, is run along http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893837 trad, or ustard.conventionally ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:39 mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i

mircea_popescu: ilie nastase ? dood was supposed to be "rich businessman" in a romania that had very much the "luxor center for businessmen" outlook, owing to a complete and utter http://trilema.com/2009/de-mogulibus/#selection-57.0-65.473 , before http://trilema.com/2010/s-o-lamurim-pe-asta-cu-securitatea/#selection-53.0-53.694

mircea_popescu: ie, he ran off, made some dough ($100 was an immense sum in a country where yearly incomes averaged $50)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, entirely different item. this is more http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/

mircea_popescu: ie, athlete/lottery winner being convinced by entourage that "he has something to say" in the http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/ vein of world-establishing saying,

mircea_popescu: nah, rather, "winner" of tournament thingee, now stuck pretending like he's a sorta king sui generis.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:35 mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you might enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/pasunismul-noua-religie-a-lumii-prostilor/ from back when mp mostly wrote about orc amateurism. very male flavour, same fizz.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this reads like ye olde (imho great, btw) guide to perpetuum-mobile aficionados

asciilifeform: wish i could dredge up the orig. but from memory it had a 'resists formalization' definitely

mircea_popescu: may be schwartz ? but as a bonus : http://trilema.com/2010/voi-nu-meritati-respect/#selection-41.0-41.597 hory shit, 100% costa rica's heredia-alajuela axis!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly was schwartz. had also a great point where 'crackpot will find how to take the 'proof' to where its demolition requires ever slightly moar advanced grasp of subj than he is able to muster'

a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'

mircea_popescu: i confess i like it, as expression, but it also grates me. deeper understanding is not generally "more advanced" in the sense of, "sits atop larger pyramid", but generally in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884426 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.

mircea_popescu: that literally ~advanced~ metamaterial isn't for this advance further, but rather -- closer.\

asciilifeform: it's in the 'whole thing is a bridge to nowhere on acct of [noether's symmetry or other item perpetrator is entirely innocent of]'

mircea_popescu: i suppose the dead endness of dead ends is ~always~ going to be sitting on a pyramid tho. "how do you know this can't be" very different from "here, try it, it works"

asciilifeform: 'pyramid' is typically product of 'linear mind' ( from mircea_popescu's recent piece on subj ) pilin' up whatever dung he could muster

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/brexit-spirit-no-fault-divorce-coming-to-airstrip-one/ << Qntra -- Brexit Spirit: No Fault Divorce Coming To Airstrip One

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found only this one http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iitk3/?raw=true although I remember a better one ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "It has been brought to our attention [...] that offensive language is commonly used by [...] staff. Such behavior, in addition to violating our policy, is highly unprofessional and offensive to both visitors and staff." << very typical flavour of bureaucrat alt-worlding, "here staff, here's wha

mircea_popescu: "staff" didn't know what's highly offensive to it until the nigger brigade showed up to enlighten!

mircea_popescu: come to think about it, perhaps the largest open question re ro language would be why exactly everything exasperatingly dubious belongs to the Fish.

BingoBoingo: 10. You should never call partner representatives as boul dracului or t�mpitu\' ala." << Gem

mircea_popescu: timpit doesn't even exist in any sense, unless you dig out slavonic. what's the english ~word~ for someone made dull by repeated blunt skull trauma ?

mircea_popescu: pity it's missing, too, because i know of scarcely better word to denote us corp drone besides ro tîmpiți.

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform walks ever closer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882654 , the ro item http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729202 turned out to contain an exact 1x2cm ~purpose-made cavity~ in each heel, and they wore through simultaneously . i.e. obsolescence bomb. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 22:24 asciilifeform walks on just this side of the razor's edge of 'fucking, i'ma make own shoes'

a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729160 << for perhaps first time in life i have real shoes nao

asciilifeform: filled'em with high pressure silicone for petrol pumps. but still fucking outrageous.

asciilifeform: in usa you can walk into supposed shoe place ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769002 ) and pay $maxint, and will still get ~this ( not to mention , it's a lemon market, the folx with ~money here buy decorative fucktardery with wooden soles , not actually made for walking ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that decent shoes are somehow illegal in usa. they are ~entirely unavailable in any shop i've ever walked into there.

asciilifeform: how the fuck is it, that in '40s they not only had shoes that one could walk from moscow to berlin and back, but cheaply enuff that erry piece of cannon fodder could have a pair. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Burlington Problem. Outside of Clotheirs lucky enough to find patronage, the sector is dominiated by cost cutting and product turnover. Every now and then pieces of butthurt "sneaker investors" pop up with the penetrated feeling very sore their forum investments fell apart in storage without ever having been worn.

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in teeth and claw, today "burning bob beck" exhibit 1: the hotlinkers at google: https://archive.is/yKcpC exhibit 2: the out of WoT but tin women free DDG https://archive.is/PJvE4

asciilifeform: i didnt see much worth buying in BingoBoingostan.. or was mircea_popescu speaking of his locale ☟︎

asciilifeform: i admit i have some difficulty picturing proper, winter-capable fur-lined boots sold in cr, but if mircea_popescu says he saw this, i will believe

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yea, the kind where you can do rain, shine, winter, summer, through standing water, wherever

BingoBoingo: Well, "Redwing 606" hasn't rotted yet, but I haven't been wearing them much this summer either. Also not fur lined.

BingoBoingo: I can say these are more shoe than any other shoes I have had before. On the other hand I not have experience with the shoes that set you bar for "shoes"

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 21:56 asciilifeform: how the fuck is it, that in '40s they not only had shoes that one could walk from moscow to berlin and back, but cheaply enuff that erry piece of cannon fodder could have a pair.

asciilifeform: aaat least it's a pair of 100bux boot, and not pete's '15 days in the shop and $10`750 in servicing costs,ii since then he’s only spent 4 days in the shop and $3`750 in servicing costs.' toyota

asciilifeform: imho it's hilarious, d00d is loaded and yet there he is , buying plastic tubs that run winblowz and thinking they're cars

BingoBoingo: Nah, he domesticated, tempered his past hobbies, and is on an all too familiar track.

asciilifeform: speaking of domestic appliances, the freight people called, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893570 item is set to come in on monday ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 00:34 asciilifeform: in that light the oven oughta make a good ic frier, has adjustable voltage.