tmsr - Log 2019-04-27

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose that might work. otoh, the only (small) complexity that arises is that, while in the former case the link is clearly the first element (in both order and priority), in the latter case it's the other way around. this means that the announcer needs to make sure that the ~site and ~title don't result in the ~link being cut off (as part of the anchor) and ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 23:01 Mocky: spyked: how would you feel about changing your feedbot announce format from "~link << ~site -- ~title" to "~site -- ~title" ?

a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 18:43 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/observations-on-certain-documents-contained-in-the-history-of-the-united-states-for-the-year-1796-in-which-the-charge-of-speculation-against-alexander-hamilton-late-secretary-of-the-treasury-is-fully/ << Trilema - Observations on certain documents contained in the history of the United States for the year 1796 in which the charge of speculation against Alexander Hamilton, late secretary of the treasury is fully refuted. Written by

a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 03:48 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-jurors-for-the-said-commonwealth-on-their-oath-present-that-lizzie-andrew-borden-of-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-at-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-on-the-fourth-day-of-august-in-the/ << Trilema - The Jurors for the said Commonwealth, on their oath present that Lizzie Andrew Borden of Fall River in the County of Bristol, at Fall River in the County of Bristol, on the fourth day of August in the year eigtheen hundred

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08d-sinaia.html << The Tar Pit -- Sinaia

spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910042 <-- /me thinks the logbot and trilemabot sides of the tree should be merged? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 01:58 feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/04/auctionbot-vpatch-and-manifest/ << lobbesblog -- Auctionbot: vpatch and manifest

spyked: this would require another regrind, but I'm supposing the time will come when someone will need both trilemabot and logbot in the same place. I can take it upon myself to do this if there's no objections

spyked: diana_coman, tbh I'm not sure, so I'm posing it as a question. there's also prolly some merit to the idea of each bot having, optionally, a logotron attached to it (since it's already listening...)

spyked: as things stand currently, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-311.98-311.247 is true, but logging and responding to commands/voicing aren't ~necessarily~ mutually exclusive ☟︎

spyked: anyway, I'd only ask phf to replace http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot with the keccak patches after figuring out what makes more sense.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1909985 << quite very much so ; and it is i hope a shared goal to bring this item to the state of ye olde eulora client, where it jus tsplendidly worked, like apple shit always claimed to. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 15:09 asciilifeform: e.g. an auto-installable cuntoo that runs on commonplace irons and includes working gnat, vtron, etc. would save massive amount of work, vs. current situation where 'oh you bought a new box? here's a buncha toothpicks and glue'

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 19:33 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/

mp_en_viaje: incidentally, this is both the traditional as well as a quite effectual way of learning things.

mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for things i know perfectly well, just because it seems to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910000 << yes, but it's rather likely sane iron will be designed on less sane iron. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 20:53 bvt: also, i was under impression that asciilifeform suggests to ditch C after getting sane iron

mp_en_viaje: but i can readily see what was confusing : sometimes the leaps get to be too great to follow. this future where c/c++/c#/javascript/whatever such are relegated to their rightful place is so fucking distant, even merely talking of it likely smacks of lunacy to most anyone.

mp_en_viaje: in other joys : wget -i caragiale.txt > FINISHED --2019-04-27 13:04:23-- Downloaded: 287 files, 9.0M in 13s (720 KB/s)

mp_en_viaje: takes 13 seconds and a working box to acquire a library these days ; whole thing can be done while coffee brews.

mp_en_viaje: and to think THIS, specifically THIS promise of the internet, the computer, the future, got implemented for the mass market as apple library and google books and what the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return the virtual book to library" ? ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: there's nothing in nature as fucking dumb as people can get once they start trying to not leave any children behind.

mp_en_viaje: granted, my old style library i grew up with was two to three degrees of magnitude larger than 9mb ; but it sure as fuck took a bunch of people way the fuck more than 15 hours to stitch it all together. and there's 60 seconds in a minute, not 10, and there's 60 minutes in an hour, not ten. and so the fuck on.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910005 << this is very much a matter of http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299 : i'm sure they do, because they're there. the question is not whether the siamese twins are connected, but whether their mother can be fucked into delivering any babies that aren't. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:29 asciilifeform: bvt: as for tcc , i suspect ( but do not know for fact ) that good % of commonplace linux userland is married to gcc nonstandard knobs

mp_en_viaje: if experience's any guide, 99% of linux userland is not useful for any purpose ; of which remaining 1% 99% has to be rewritten anyway as the extant item is so fucking terribly designed and worse implemented as to cost literally as much as it produces ; of the reminder 1% i can at the present time think of very few examples.

mp_en_viaje: this to not even mention how if one wants to review say the code of "ls", all one gets is somrthing ridiculous like http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/coreutils/ ; there's eminently no http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3156#selection-31.0-157.30

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 << there is, for the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one thing, pretty muich all the cpus that can be used for any serious purpose are that old or older ; for the other thing i actually use kernels that are that old or older. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:29 asciilifeform: ( we know that a 15 y.o. kernel did build on tcc sans eggog, but afaik that's all that is currently known )

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910015 << in the same vein : INSTEAD of having sane propagation back and forth, which in turn would permit you to let THE OS own the input/output devices, and which would FORCE conformity on the part of programs, you end up with the "oh, program once started owns keyboard ... well, sorta.... and also if anythinf happens has to die... and of couse there's nobody there at its grave to save s ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:40 asciilifeform: even positing pc iron and mircea_popescu's 'why not at least rewrite os in ada' , it isn't clear to me why you'd want to keep e.g. unix's retarded process model ( where process cannot , say, propagate an ada exception for sane eggog handling, but is stuck dying and returning numeric barf code ) if you do such thing.

mp_en_viaje: tate or even describe the circumstance... so we hold inquest jury.... bla bla bla bla".

mp_en_viaje: then all the fungus grew to try to somehow shape this miscut rock into usable brick form. so process sorta-owns keyboard but not really except reallier than that but not really except...

mp_en_viaje: just look at the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both the os AND the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops the bios too. cuz why the fuck ? ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: "oh mp, i didn't even know it's what f11 is". neither did i. and so you get inane bs like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1900991 and all the rest of it, too. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 00:51 hanbot: so there i am merrily entering choices into the kernel config's endless querying on the tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all the modules it asks about that don't appear in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on the wrong of the two keyboards i'm handling while trying to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,

mp_en_viaje: so yes, he's right : description of the "what's wrong with it" could go on for a long time ; but the cause is that everything's wrong with it, each juncture, because being wrong on the left and then on the right in quick succession's just a summed up list of being wrong this way and that yet wrong nevertheless.

mp_en_viaje: "when a man designs he is holding the water of the world in his closed palms ; should he open his fingers then, he needn't hope to ever encounter sanity again."

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910020 << this was born of distrust ; in fact this "binary handling by operator" is the last bastion keeping computing from devolving into the happy world these idiots inhabit. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:46 asciilifeform: or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed )

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910032 << qatar trip helped this fellow along to some self growth eh. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:43 Mocky: no but working on my own team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out to helping other teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910035 << nah, on the contrary, sounds like ghetto insurance savings. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:52 asciilifeform: must be well-moneyed chix, if they have personal nurse, eh

mp_en_viaje: this is how ustardia works, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". best play in socialism is to be poor, stupid, sickly and helpless.

mp_en_viaje: that way you get both "from each according to ability" -> 0 as well as "to each according t oneed" -> inf.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-26#1910040 <<< http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ and then of course 2013 and etcetera. USG dept of lawls and lowlz. who knows, one day they'll actually do something such that someone somewhere could take them seriously. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-26 15:38 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/bitfinex-slammed-in-new-york-for-allegely-using-tether-stablecoin-reserves-as-slush-fund-to-cover-losses/ << Qntra -- Bitfinex Slammed In New York For Allegely Using Tether "Stablecoin" Reserves As Slush Fund To Cover Losses

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:29 spyked: greetings from the Black Sea's western shore, y'arr!

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910044 << nah, let it be. there's no reason to import dependency on ~display format~. the way phf's logotron displayer displays things is further downstream from the way your feed reader announces feeds. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:38 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose that might work. otoh, the only (small) complexity that arises is that, while in the former case the link is clearly the first element (in both order and priority), in the latter case it's the other way around. this means that the announcer needs to make sure that the ~site and ~title don't result in the ~link being cut off (as part of the anchor) and

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910106 <-- yeah, still. fortunately for me, I'm not doing litoral shithotels, given that half my meatwot-L1 lives here. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 12:01 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910043 << keks, world's most expensive shittiest service still ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910094 << quite the opposite. it's how microshit/crapple world was made possible to begin with -- what with os etc being multi-GB of binariola. whereas suppose 'os' consisted of coupla kb of hand-entered hex bootstrap + whatever-sized bag of source, and kept 'compileade' strictly in cache ram... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:50 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910020 << this was born of distrust ; in fact this "binary handling by operator" is the last bastion keeping computing from devolving into the happy world these idiots inhabit.

asciilifeform: you turn on the mains, thing compiles the coupla MB of sores kept in nonvolatile. this -- runs. you go an' change a line, it recompiles that section, at same time as the cache refreshes.

asciilifeform: it aint even so hard to implement ~on pc~ -- poor madman terry davis, ~had it~ . ( asciilifeform happens to think that davis read his www, but at this pt only beelzebub knows, whether read or came to the obv notion on own steam.. ) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:41 mp_en_viaje: just look at the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both the os AND the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops the bios too. cuz why the fuck ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910068 << asciilifeform also does. and by-hand by-hand, as in, with ink. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:16 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for things i know perfectly well, just because it seems to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910070 << lenin's 'the new shithouse is to be built from the bricks of the old' comes to mind. and yes. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:18 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910000 << yes, but it's rather likely sane iron will be designed on less sane iron.

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:23 mp_en_viaje: and to think THIS, specifically THIS promise of the internet, the computer, the future, got implemented for the mass market as apple library and google books and what the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return the virtual book to library" ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910082 << with a few enumerable caveats ( rk, coupla other irons ) this is entirely troo ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 << there is, for the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one thing, pretty muich all the cpus that can be used for any serious purpose are that old or older ; for the other thing i actually use kernels that are that old or older.

BingoBoingo: And Petrobras fires back at the natural gas derps and Uruguay by putting all of their gas station chain up for sale, Great Victory for labor... https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/petrobras-puso-a-la-venta-sus-estaciones-de-servicio-en-el-pais-20194262343 ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Local government very surprised. The courts told the derps no, the police chased the derps out (but failed to beat them)...

BingoBoingo: Other than making a loud statement, what likely drove Petrobras this far was derp from PIT-CNT (totally indegenous AFL-CIO like thing) objecting to court and police actions with their cheif derp declaring labor action is above the law in the very traditional Latino sense

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910057 << while not necessarily mutually exclusive, I understood the two branches as "those who want to import postgres as a dependence (logbot/logbot-command-router) and those who don't (ircbot/trilemabot)". ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 08:39 spyked: as things stand currently, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-311.98-311.247 is true, but logging and responding to commands/voicing aren't ~necessarily~ mutually exclusive

lobbes: I guess I don't see the problem atm with having the two branches, though I welcome being convinced/pointed-to-log-threads (I've been re-reading the threads referenced in spyked's blog, but still have to finish, so possibly not grokking some fundamental bits discussed somewhere) ☟︎

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr. ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( wandered in by happenstance, while on other biz. 'wanna turn the knobs? we put housefly as sampler' 'canhaz per hr' d00d digs, disgorges rate )

asciilifeform: self-service thing, nfi it existed ( quite reminiscent, this, of the old dc search. if you go by what's on www, nuffin fucking exists at all )

asciilifeform: serious $mil+ sem, even, not '80s museum piece. could just as easily photo e.g. cr50 as bolix.

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/04/27/the-environmental-problem-in-the-new-world-part-one/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Environmental Problem In The New World: Part One