mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem with that 3/4 figure is that it's ~an average~ (obtained by a very trivial calculation). there's no known way to evaluate the statistical divergence over a finite set.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's likely that a set of 100% consecutive liars of arbitrary length can be found.
mircea_popescu: yes of numberline. definitely. but not of "x to y" interval for close x, y.
mircea_popescu: in any case, to get back to the previous line : afaik all m-r liars are also carmichael numbers.
mircea_popescu: small sets of small liars are trivially produced, eg 1 , 8 , 18 , 47 , 57 , 64 are liars for 5 * 13.
mircea_popescu: yeah ; more properly : there is a class of numbers that are both carmichael numbers and strong liars.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess what i'm tryingto say is that if i were looking to dig among the liar set i'd be mostly trying to guide it by the charmicael set.
trinque: hey folks, just a heads-up that castle trinque is running on batteries atm due to a blown transformer. wallet will be around while batteries last, after which we'll be awaiting the mains.
trinque: this is what I pictured, lol
mircea_popescu: well, ideally paired cages, for balance. it is pretty heavy machinery...
mircea_popescu: im totally gonna look into this. what's the big deal, a generator and some welding.
mircea_popescu: but gigantgic hamster wheel in dank cellar quite the pic.
mircea_popescu: trinque, as it happens i was gonna do a buncha small payments, but deedb ot not answering to !!withdraw ?
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with keeping a spare sat or radio connection. or both i guess
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's dead though, answers to eg !!key. mayhap something i'm fucking up syntax-wise.
mircea_popescu: the thing with subs is that failure means failure, there's no "oh, no brakes, stopped car in ditch".
mircea_popescu: ~everyone does this now ; im pretty sure soviets also did.
mircea_popescu: in truth, never actually looked into this too closely.
mircea_popescu: the engines won't go very far on it (in no small part because it';s almost never taken to ~water density, ie, 800 or so atmospheres) ; but there's still a lot of air that can be fit in some not-so-huge tanks.
mircea_popescu: afaik it's internally organized much like the "car battery" : a buncha half-liter cells inside a lined tank
mircea_popescu: all part of work to make silent subs ; even the exhaust gets bottled.
mircea_popescu: "say mp, who was your favourite american ?" "dora dufran"
trinque: mircea_popescu: away from keys atm (sought power) but oughta work now. lmk if not
mircea_popescu: "Digg Inc., a social-media pioneer once valued at more than $160 million, is selling for the deeply discounted price of about $500,000, three people familiar with the matter said." << back in
2012.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nice find, definitely the source of my memory.
diana_coman: I had it in my stash from writing eucrypt time so it rang a bell instantly
mircea_popescu: thinkin gmore about this whole witness and liar discussion :
mircea_popescu: the ~only question that actually needs an answer is whether a) a selection of n random numbers b bits long made every time a candidate prime is checked for compositeness or b) a pre-given list of prime numbers b bits long among which n are randomly picked each time a candidate prime is checked for compositeness is a better approach towards checking a candidate prime for compositeness.
mircea_popescu: type a has the disadvantage that possibly we end up with worse witnesses, and type b has the disadvantage that possibly lists of n to which our known list of candidate witnesses is blind to may be also constructed in advance.
mircea_popescu: atm i am unaware how one would answer this ; but if any brins are in the audience by all means, even an unsuccessful ~meaningful~ attempt at tackling this question of our times is liable to make new math.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 22:50 asciilifeform: it is foolish to design for 'what if my rng silently fails'. it is a 'jesus bolt' failure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, possibly a is actually significantly weaker than b. i dunno, intuitively i'd readily agree with you, but the fact is ~we don't know~.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it seems to me that the a witnesses MUST be generated as rng(0, 2^4096) rather than rng (2^4095, 2^4096).
mircea_popescu: it is factually true that the liar occurence in (1, n) is ~1/3 ; i don't know how to evaluate the occurence in (n, n+k). it could be 1/3^2 or 1/3 ^ k or 1/3 ^ 1/k^16 or whatever the fuck else.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 00:00 asciilifeform: mno, ~at least~ 3/4 of numberline provably nails any given composite.
mircea_popescu: right. we're well persuaded, and i daresay well persuasive.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as to your earlier question : not such a large degree of crackpottery needed. consider that if i affirm today that a) given a list of however many ~randomly chosen~ witnesses from (1,n) b) the number k = x^2 + q x + p is going to be falsely identified as a prime number while n = q ^ 2 + p ^ 3, there is c) nothing you can practically do to give me the lie other than ~actually construct such numbers and check~.
mircea_popescu: this is not what i'd call "crackpottery". for all you know there IS a manner to construct "~always lied about by random witnesses" prime candidates.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : "random" is not "jolly joker of do what i mean".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the bound presumes a flat spectrum rng and properties of large sets of random numbers that ~have not been proven~, though they are experimentally VERY reliable.
mircea_popescu: there, again there is not a mathematical proof to permit you to say -- if i say "the largest contiguous set of consecutive liars before number n will contain k such liars where k = n divided by alf's gf's nosehair count" there's no formulaic approach you can fall back on. you'll have to take the girl by the nose, count, and break out the abacuses.
mircea_popescu: i do not dispute that the exercise is not worth doing, unless one has a girl nose fetish. nevertheless, worth doing is a different consideration from true.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, for all you know, all numbers between n and n+k are liars for all primes larger than 2^l
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem's not necessarily stated as you state it. i am not capable to know in advance WHAT attack will have to be faced.
mircea_popescu: i do buy it, but it is ~statistical~, and it applies for 1, n and NOT for n, n+k
mircea_popescu: statistical means some things, we do not know how it diverges once we narrow intervals.
mircea_popescu: just because "every other human is female" does not mean there's 3 males in my harem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dun see how works either! but what i'm saying is that you don't have ~proof~ it doesn't!
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 15:05 mircea_popescu: i do not dispute that the exercise is not worth doing, unless one has a girl nose fetish. nevertheless, worth doing is a different consideration from true.
mircea_popescu: argument reduces to "you do not know what random means".
mircea_popescu: afgain : just because you've proven that 3/4 numbers in the interval 1, n have property p, you have not shown ANYTHING about how many numbers have the property p in some other interval q, q+k.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this SHOULD STAY THAT WAY, is one thing i'm saying. for the above reasoning.
mircea_popescu: your rng working or not is aside the point ; we're discussing here random numbers as a mathematical abstraction, we're not even counting "well, your set of 4, 4, 4, 4 is not exactly an implementation of that abstraction"
mircea_popescu: yes, "you do not even know what a working rng mathematically means"
mircea_popescu: but yes, the relation you unearth is sound. the problem or set thereof i started discussing is exactly homomorphic to "well, we have no proper rng tests, "ou'll have to take the girl by the nose, count, and break out the abacuses.")
mircea_popescu: being pretty much the ~only test anyone here in any substantial sense gives a shit about.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> being pretty much the ~only test anyone here in any substantial sense gives a shit about. << Indeed
mircea_popescu: imo item should be baked anyways, as a tmsr.crypto model object.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd say you found the first meaningful patch to be put on the fg tree.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-17 03:03 mircea_popescu: "We wonder, and some Hunter may express wonder like ours, when through wilderness where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace he meets some fragment, huge, and there stops to guess. What powerful but unrecorded race once dwelt in that annihilated place ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they're not equally distributed. here's what i propose : take a rng run, ent ; then take out all carmichael numbers from it, run ent. then see if you can tell which is which.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure more like a few mn are known, obtained as you say.\
BingoBoingo: ^ Disagrees with EU on which side of road is for driving, auto-adopts entire EU transport shit anyways
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's a difference between "show x can't be done" and "show how to do x"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fortunately their tower of shit depends on crap like having gps in the car.
BingoBoingo: Version for export to China/India/Russia/Qatar probably better anyways
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i expect sometime before 2022 ima switch to buying azn cars. what can you do, germans are morons now.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "from actual rng per [naive interpretation] of m-r claims", but w/e.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 15:21 mircea_popescu: i'm willing to bet "entropy is improved" 50% of the time.
mircea_popescu: understand : there are no less than 2^4096 numbers in 4096 bits. if you take say 32 numbers out of this, that is, 2^5, you have thereby avoided 2^4091 numbers from the original set, which is to say, 100% to any practical apperoximation.
mircea_popescu: you can not, on the basis of a 0% sample, to say anything avbout how the sample fits in the 100% it came from.
mircea_popescu: yes, in theory. in practice, you have a finite set out of a necessarily large space -- as part and parcel of what cryptography IS.
mircea_popescu: if we were even close to space saturation, itr wouldn't be called crypto, it'd be called social security numbers.
mircea_popescu: devil dun' care about probability 1, or about "infinitely long trials".
mircea_popescu: devil cares about the thought of man. which is neither.
mircea_popescu: and ~this~ is the core of my argument -- not that probability of 1, nor that "forever". merely that for the one spot you happen to look at.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, by naive extension of daily experience, items such a geode (or even, an ore vein) are "not possible"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 14:59 mircea_popescu: or in other words : "random" is not "jolly joker of do what i mean".
mircea_popescu: from "numbers on the interval 1, n have property p with probability 3/4"it does NOT follow that "these five numbers i picked contain 3.75 numbers wirth property p"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, "uniform distributions" are not guaranteed to be what you get. when you go to milk shop and order milk, you get milk on the strength of ~human industry~, NOT on the strength of "the meanings of abstracts".
mircea_popescu: this is proven by the fact that when you go to p-numbers shop and get numbers, what you get are... numbers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, all lottery players except the winner are fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: from the fact that "it is improductive, economically, to play the lottery" it does NOT follow that "it is a bad strategy, my daughter, to marry the winners"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider : 1. X is a bad strategy (true) ; 2. exploiting winners of X is a good strategy (true).
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just because "it is random", doesn't mean 2 can't happen.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider : 1. X is a bad strategy (true) ; 2. exploiting winners of X is a good strategy (true).
mircea_popescu: the whole human race (and not exceptionally, most mammals also) is, essentialyl, an exercise in the exploitation of liar distribution like here discussed
mircea_popescu: "of all the merchants there lie within this generation of 12 yo boys, 3/4 will die before being rich" "i intend to marry one of the rest. or three."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, depends if you look from inside or from outside. from outside, kim is quite the perfect model.
mircea_popescu: and, lest the "women's rights an' freedoms" morons get irritated -- no, the "not anymore" re marriage and the outlay above is not some kind of "
progress". it is the simple economical result of the value of new children reaching ~0 and the probability of success also reaching ~0 : thus
mircea_popescu: therefore, the previous class of specialist egg layers are now repurposed into a doubling of the food searcher contingent.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: atm i am unaware how one would answer this ; but if any brins are in the audience by all means, even an unsuccessful ~meaningful~ attempt at tackling this question of our times is liable to make new math.
mircea_popescu is quite tickled that the ready reference of the issue is titled things with squares and morals and pornos. considering the context in which i needed it lo SIX years later...
mircea_popescu: the only practically useful tidbit i have is "according to math arcana, witnesses absolutely must come from 1, 2^n rather than 2^n-1, 2^n ; notwithstanding the latter might look "thicker"
mircea_popescu: the other useful rtidbit that came out of this, you came up with : new tmsr.ent element, which yes should be done.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, point being, can't just take the 2nd half. yes, start at 2.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, for instance, proceeding through analogy with what with did to the e's, "must be this many bits"
mircea_popescu: fwiw, since it was mentioned : i don't see what's so scandalous with the "new arithmetic" whereby one explicits the powers rather than whatever historical approach.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's just me being jewish or w/e, but honestly, so what if "that 1 in the 10s is really 10 ones, and if it were in the 64s it'd really be 8 8s" ?
mircea_popescu: ok, but i mean... so it's a notation, what. i'd settle for any manner of teaching kids headarithmetic ; i've yet to meet any female of enslavement age who can actually do it.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean radicals, or fast calculations of things like 149 * 16 as "well, 24 minus a unit"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i don't get her cause of action, nudum pactum much ? she wants 700k pesos FOR WHAT ? "he wrote so" ain't no cause of auction, in both civil and common.
mircea_popescu: gifts from the hand, in civil law, that aren't in possession aren't title.
BingoBoingo: Her cause can be reduced to that unyielding socialist faith. "It imagined it working, why isn't it?"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "Este miércoles, Salle dijo a Montevideo Portal que el vale "fue un arrendamiento de servicio por actos sexuales y orgiásticos" y que el juez debe fijarse si el pagaré cumple con todos los requisitos y no en otros asuntos."
BingoBoingo: You know, the sort of thought patterns that drive prison lawyers incapable of keeping themselves out of prison
mircea_popescu: im sure she has a contract afore the fact, too, listing the price.
mircea_popescu: when the fuck's a whore in that shithole made 10k, let alone 100k. or what is the peso, 8 to the dollar or so ?
mircea_popescu: "Cuando ejecutás un vale la ley prevé una serie de mecanismos de defensa, entre esos mecanismos de defensa no está el que vos ingreses a analizar el negocio que dio origen al vale. El vale es una forma de pago, es un documento de crédito, es como que emitas un cheque. El juez de la ejecución no tiene autorizado entrar a analizar el negocio que dio origen al cheque", explic
mircea_popescu: like fucking children exactly, "the precarious chair tower seemed solid to me on the basis of it standing, why did it fall over ?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: Typical rates listed on the whoring portals are 1000-3000 pesos (30-100 USD) hourly. In practice...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wtf, and these tards are actually lawyers now ? << Worse, graduates del la facultad de Derecho!
mircea_popescu: this might be the most retarded case i read this year.
mircea_popescu: i'd put the lawyer in jail, if i were stuck judging this thing.
mircea_popescu: "go ye in county for contempt and you can get out when some other judge says so, cuz i ain't gonna."
BingoBoingo: Under the current criminal code, that might be interpreted as a sentence of community service with the guilty assigned to judge in order to work off his debt to society
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:58 BingoBoingo: Not law school, rights school
mircea_popescu: besides, duke's the lands' foremost university of left turns.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, that was quite a pleasant re-read lol. i even forgot about it.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i expect sometime before 2022 ima switch to buying azn cars. what can you do, germans are morons now.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it si, it is. he's just being mean. << Only halfway. The other half is derechos as in derechos por cerdos humanos
mircea_popescu: i suspect we might want very different things from our cars.
mircea_popescu: bartholomew is driving my groundskeeper fellow to the brink of madness. it is the SECOND consecutive technical inspection it passed without any repairs, AT ALL. the poor guy, drives a cheap toyota, comes back from trhe test with lengthly lists of requisites EVERY time. last year he was very put off by the "pass on 1st try" thing, especially as the year prior he had seen the thing dump its fluids and have to be toed. but th
mircea_popescu: is 2nd pass of the same... it just... he's visibly still dfigesting it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, 30% grades ; crazy winds ; drove it
through sand and through a river bed i'm too lazy rto get the link of and and and
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they have this testing office here, they give you a stamp that the car is up to spect technically, good for 1 year. (good measure too, the tubs these people drove before it... jesus f. even now you see trucks dead in middle of onramp cuz unmaintained engine finally croaked etc)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: they check everyhing. (no joke, either, ticos are a serious folk). brakes, direction, i even get warnings that the front seat headrest is unattached (i keep it out deliberately, so as not to obstruct my front view)
mircea_popescu: i think in principle the "all tests failed" printout would be 10-20k itemized lines.
mircea_popescu: the cheap one wasn't expensive at all, and yes worth every god damned penny.
mircea_popescu: haha yes, you know i got it on the spot ? self-same groundskeeper, "but you know the car ?" "nope" "So you went with mechanic ?" "umm, no." "but... so you got scammed ?" "i guess we see"
mircea_popescu: so then was stuck discovering defects for half a year / training locals to sanity because
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887591 ; and stuck paying for parts / organizing imports / whatever, to the tune of like 3k, ie, years' local salary. which seemed to vindicate the "you were scammed" pov.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-16 15:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have the converse problem. alternator dies on road, /me takes car back to (otherwise very competent, and very able) independent mechanic who charged 75 an hour for tools and labour to find what needs changing and then install mp's parts (75 CENTS!!!). "why the fuck was not this on the bill ?" "ah, it wasn't really broken yet, still hung on a thread".
mircea_popescu: except poor dood's spent MORE than that fixing his toyota so as to get the riteve hence. vindicating the point that... hm. white devil!
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 01:57 asciilifeform: cuz , see, 'computer needs replace'
mircea_popescu: i do not believe any same-year made car during any of the years involved could have survived as a replacement. (i don't even take the newer / better ones for this sort of treck -- and tbh, i do not respect them NEARLY as much. i grew to love the cheap unassuming old car on the merits, which is to say what it'll take. like any woman.
mircea_popescu: there's this purely idiotarian usgistani view of "oh, young woman always better than old wife". really, bitch ? cuz why, cuz the precious cuntlet can't take without breaking down a 1% of what the tried and tested old ho can swallow unblinking ?
mircea_popescu: so they buy shitty cars and live unhappy domestic lives.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, point in case : the undercarriage transmission/engine cover was banged AT LEAST ONE HUNDRED TIMES. so the car goes "bong!" and your head shakes and you're "omfg, the 7 (seven!!! point five!!!) liters of expensive oil are now on the ground.
mircea_popescu: never happened, i have yet nfi wtf it is shielded by, but volcanic rock seems to have nothing on it.
mircea_popescu: this used to be the bane of the mercedesen i used in a diff life in romania.
mircea_popescu: apparently, german science made progress between late 90s and mid 2000s, fixed problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, cracked engine / transmission casing.
mircea_popescu: it stands to reason, too. "we made this thing to be driven on road, road is defined as no immovable obstacles taller than x, plox to keep in mind".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no doubt aided by relative roadlessness of mother russia.
mircea_popescu: well, here too, kinda how rocks end up in the way : mudslide washes them in, then rain washes the mud. sorta like fractioned distillation
mircea_popescu: possibly. im vaguely considering getting a mog, hanbot 's a fan.
mircea_popescu: they have cvasi-sedan ones, doesn't have to be a truck
BingoBoingo: Parts availability will probably go up quite a bit with a mog
mircea_popescu: they are also indescribably fucking cute. but w/e, i have complex demands, we see.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to it : the large rocks are one thing, but if you drive over macadam say (which is not inconceivable here, and yes on a grade with hairpins, whynot) there's very much a
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735165 sorta affair : for any arbitrary energy, you will get X many rocks per hour, or mile.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 16:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu earlier suggested , 'boltzmann distrib' of coffee speck velocities, almost certainly has high end that grinds pieces of your vessel into the output
mircea_popescu: if you add up the miles, soon enough the toyota's ground into a toaster oven
mircea_popescu: and then going even lower, there's of course sand. which was ww2 killer in africa .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, item genuinely was sunk a meter into sand, took girls half hour to dig it back out.
mircea_popescu: (i muchly doubt azn make'd have ever made it out on own power, at that.)
mircea_popescu: one of those cases where yes it makes difference to have 300 rather than 30 hp available.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whai not. i never looked at it before, because i'm a loyal kind. but the way the germans are going... yes, of course eventually you lose me.
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's strinctly impossible bonluck or ssongyank or w/e makes cars just as good as bayernische krankenwerken or whatever. it is a fact though, i never looked at it seriously before. chiefly because never had to.
mircea_popescu: "ticabus", ie, local operator, actually on their website roll.
mircea_popescu: re-reading today it occurs to me... you know we're having some fucking excellent discussions these days ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 15:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i associate shitoverflow with articles like 'how do i cast 'fireball' in real life?' ( actual find )
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:22 asciilifeform: before taking off , decided to buy sumthing from the carpet men, and bought a pocket watch. appeared to be keeping correct time, spiffy-looking '20s german thing
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:22 asciilifeform: ( carpet man of course set'em erry day ... )
mircea_popescu: i dunno what all this "canonical" bs ever does. eg, they invented some alt- mircea_popescu a few years ago, to auto-return, great expert bla bla. did ~nothing, sunk back into the gavinvat.
mircea_popescu: oh oh, set them every day. i read "sold them every day". i c lol.
mircea_popescu: you know, old watches did need to be set every day. we even discussed this in the logs, as to the function of big ben etc.
mircea_popescu: and more 16 than 18, at that. nevertheless -- maybe you lucked out. "should you be able to bend a solid gold watch ?"
mircea_popescu: mechanical table clocks in us very truthful witness to the "we too"ism of the place, in the sense it is contemplated here.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 21:43 asciilifeform: 'Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality.... When consumers refuse to pay so much more than they feel they have to, Company A's widget fails in the marketplace, and the company is liquidated.'
a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 19:04 mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
mircea_popescu: god knows it informs a lot of the strategic and systems design work at the core of the republic.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 00:00 asciilifeform was given 'mk61' at same age i think diana_coman's kid is nao
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758238 << speaking of, here's some lulz. so i had recently occasion to employ the services of the consul of teh koninkrijk der nederlanden in san jose to interface some diplomatic business with the romanian mission not present here for my convenience.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2014-07-16 19:09 mircea_popescu: They work to boost revenue by offering an extended warranty or a service plan (made necessary by frequent breakdowns), charging for premium customer service (made necessary by their normal customer service, which consists of a robotic phone maze backed by a few trainees in India who just read aloud from Company B's public web site in a listless, stuttering monotone) and offering numerous enhancements and upgrades (made
mircea_popescu: these two countries are not mere neighbours, nor mere allies, but part together of a fucking compact! and yet, the consul has no notion of his correspondents, nor even is their administration advanced enough to provide its diplomats with that most basic tool of all : a fucking list of names and contact details of the ALLIES!!! representatitves.
mircea_popescu: no such thing, chick was googling, discovering conflicting information on random webpages neglected for who knows how many years...
mircea_popescu: i actually had to fall back on my own secret service background to extract through THAT AVENUE the information that she needed in such a packaging and under such wot signaturs as i could trust, because god fucking help me if she was gonna send shit to random endpoints "culled from the www"
mircea_popescu: and then these things flatter themselves with (purely hallucinated) statehood. yet in any practical sense, the troop of retards posing as "reigning house" of the netherlands (have you seen them btw ?) is sitting atop something infinitely less statal than this here republic.
mircea_popescu: because at the very least, when alf goes to meet bingoboingo, he doesn't start yelling at airport.
mircea_popescu: which is quite substantially different from matters eminently of record, such as "who are, truly, the intended and delcared diplomatic endpoints of so and so pretend-sovereign"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 16:40 asciilifeform: oblig : 'Всіх панів до ’дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!'(tm)(r)(pavlo tichina)(ukr)
mircea_popescu: royal fambly, supposedly. in the sense netherlands is a sovereign, or embassies of these papie mache constructions exist.
mircea_popescu: not rly my problem. if no jew has butter, let no jew keep jars labelled butted about.
mircea_popescu: poor people are poor people BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE, and wealth dun fix this.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:19 asciilifeform: historically, by sharp stick. at least in the case of what's ordinarily called lottery. cuz winning dun banish from the head the cockroaches that made'em play to begin with
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 16:54 BingoBoingo: Her cause can be reduced to that unyielding socialist faith. "It imagined it working, why isn't it?"
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:36 mircea_popescu: but yes, ceausescu's imperialist plans were obviously going to fail by the time mid 70s turned around, and were well and thoroughly doomed in 1980.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 18:21 asciilifeform: stalin followed peter's 'colonization with the crown as sole european' model.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-22 14:54 mircea_popescu: the fundamental argentinian-ness of the human mind, "oh, ok, this is what i get paid, now how could i move down what i gottaq do for it ?" really needs the british imperial "fuck you, you don't eat" as typified by lord newton.
mircea_popescu: aka "we don't want to BE europe, we just want to JOIN europe". that's what any retarded kid not belonging in school asks misfortunate teacher : how to cast fireballs irl, aka how to be rich while staying poor, aka how to appear without being and so forth.
mircea_popescu: but to put the lulz of the original
http://trilema.com/2009/doua-curve/ in context : so i come back to romania cca 2007, and some chick is making a "top of romanians in online" which is fulla names i never saw before and contains nobody of the people atthe time i knew made and turrned the net.
mircea_popescu: her answer to "wtf ios wrong with you" was "well, i never heard of the others, so they don't exist" ; but the REASON that was the answer was that ~i~ knew who the fuck she was within two hours, because guess what, my mother of all people actually knew her.
mircea_popescu: talk about connectivity, right ? who heard of what and who knows what and "hurr durr, embassy but dunno phone numbers, not even of the other dorks in the same line from the same place" and so fucking on.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 17:59 asciilifeform: ( aaand of course they marked it as 'canonical answer' , for then google to auto-return, etc .. )
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck is it supposed to achieve, in these nitwits' brains ?!
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 20:59 asciilifeform: petent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whatever they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to
mircea_popescu: "we don't know anything about you, and this ignorance enacts you into inexistence ; notwithstanding you know everything about us, this knowledge doesn't enact us into inexistence".
mircea_popescu: somehow, magically, the fact that the cheetah sees the ostrich is not a guarantee of the ostrich's death.
mircea_popescu: rather, the fact that the ostrich doesn't see the cheetah's a guarantee -- of the cheeta's inexistence.
mircea_popescu: wtf, what sort of dodo brains are required for this nonsense to wash ?!
mircea_popescu: earthly paradise, i don't imagine any cheetah ever complained of good hunting.
mircea_popescu: im not saying there's something wrong from my side, keks.
mircea_popescu: i'm just amused at attempt to look at it from other side.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 18:09 mircea_popescu: no markings are clear in modern democracy. it's written in the constitution : everyone is to be idemnified for all things they do not read.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda mindblowing, at least at first. "srsly, this is how sheep world looks through sheep eyes ?! wow."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nevermind what i preferred, specifically. it is literally the extent of their job, to be found, this particular set. that's all they're for, like a mcdonalds.
mircea_popescu: yes lol! all they do is fuck with paperwork, literally their job is "endpoint of X supposed sovereign in Y supposed sovereign lands"
mircea_popescu: the item as encountered in practice is ~equivalent to the sovok era "telephone receiver locked in box"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so you make it larger, wtf. this is like saying "if anyone who wanted a happy meal could get one, place would look like disneyworld":. the fucking point is for it to yes, do just that. entire existence of the fiat sovereigns is ~predicatged~ on people doing just this.
mircea_popescu: they gain exactly nothing from their failure to self-represent, exactly like a hidden mcdonalds does nothing to forward the aggenda of rooseveletism
mircea_popescu: embassy is 99% of the time support for local businessmen.
mircea_popescu: that's what embassy does, if joe the turkish merchant is in greece, and he decides he wants to give moe the turkish merchant his ankara house to manage, the turkish embassy in greece takes some paper from him and sends it over.
mircea_popescu: there is NO benefit for the turkish state to hide the endpoint of this.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary -- the more turkish merchants rely on this service of the turkish state through its embassy, the better for the turkish state, it can better convince them to pay taxes.
mircea_popescu: whereas the less they use it, the more the greek state could claim they're in fact greek merchants, and tax them instead.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of embassies flows from this, "we dun wanna lose taxable base through travel"
mircea_popescu: moeover, the 2nd function of embassy is to collect data. legally, not illegally, it's not the secret service, it's the diplomatic service. what confidence would you as a putative ivan groznii put in data flowing through your embassies when these sad concoctions were manned by idiots so fucking inept, they don't even have a black book with the phone numbers of ~their fucking colleagues~. every 15yo boy has a book with his c
mircea_popescu: lassmates' phone numbers as a first step to successful sexual congress, but not these dorks.
mircea_popescu: what would you think of a lord who actually googled for your key ? didn't have it in keyriong, something like wot.deedbot DIDNT EVEN EXIST
mircea_popescu: they just fucking googled, general purpose tool applied to particular task, 0 shits given.
mircea_popescu: would the republic look much like a sovereign if that was the average practice ?
mircea_popescu: rando schmucks drop in here every day, fail the
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1905146 test with flying colors, they could be fiat sovereign diplomatic core without skipping a bit. becauise the pretenders factually and experimentally verifiedly are quite that inept, yes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 18:09 asciilifeform: gotta wonder re the thought process. door clearly marked 'If you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.' eh .
mircea_popescu: it seems to me a ridoinculous chunk of nonsense, "embassy was never upgraded". tell you what -- an army is a group of men assembled to rectify the mistakes of diplomats. the only item more keenly in synch with technology is the embassy -- step ahead of military.
mircea_popescu: supposedly, "everything", in practice same exact "everything" as seen in marriage.
mircea_popescu: ie, you can use any eu embassy indistinctly. at least in theory. in practice -- they're fucked.
mircea_popescu: anyway, one aspect of this is fo sho : traditional (with a view of only) function of embassy is as "den of corruption", ie, they acquire over time intimate knowledge of detail, can help you do things.
mircea_popescu: no such thing still available, from white world embassies, at least not at the level where it should be. the iranis, eg, still do this for their citizens. the usgtards don't because they have no citizens, it's all govt entreprises and plebs.
mircea_popescu: the euros are the saddest of them all -- they dun have the state entreprises, notrly, and they dun have the other half either, not really, it's a wonder they persevere.
mircea_popescu: (very typically EMPTY, an eu embassy, too. besides purely ceremonial "third cousin of president/king taking vacation", there's ~nothing happening)
BingoBoingo: UK embassy here is roughly equal to a small clubhouse with pool and Satellite tv.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, the uk embassies. that was a lulz of all time during the "union" while it lasted -- the brits had the first useful, and perhaps the last functioning, embassy network.
mircea_popescu: but that "best-by" date's sometime before rhodesia's end, i guess.
BingoBoingo: I mean it has mega fence, but... the place is just about a country club minus the land for golfing.
mircea_popescu: the fencing's the other fucking thing. who the fuck heard of fenced in embassies anyways.
mircea_popescu: ie, if the locals wanna come over, you wanna not let them ?! wtf, are you fucked in the head ? and then go about spending money to makle events to raise profile ? while at the same time throwing away the freely had curious visitors ?
BingoBoingo: Romania has the obligatory "Sleep on this stoop and you get fucked" fence to keep the pichis off the porch, but otherwise clear walk to the door.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, romania does a lot of things right though i suspect by accident. ie, none of the idiotic glass walsl, either, you visit you sit down in front of old style desk, like sane people.
mircea_popescu: generally there's a girly around ready to hand some fliers or w/e to whatever adventurous locals.
mircea_popescu: when i visited the one in argentina, they were just entertaining a local older woman with a pile of 1910s era letters from her romanian-immigrated ancestors.
mircea_popescu: the old woman wanted to know if she maybe has a lot of castles-in-spain style "unknwon inheritance", typical argentine thought process.
BingoBoingo: Entertaining her with the marketing budget is the point.
BingoBoingo: As opposed to the stories I have heard from US embassy.
BingoBoingo: Where no one is particularly welcome and everything uses EMAIL as a gatekeeper.
mircea_popescu: you don't get much done, you're uncomfortable while it's happening, and they have very strange notions of ritual purity, unparalleled even by the shiite.
mircea_popescu: i suppose one can't fairly discuss the matter without pointing out that the ogilvy-derivative concept of "pr agency" is precisely this, witness to the usg's self-aware failure to develop a diplomatic service and a woprking embassy network, leaving the english as the last practitioner of the florentine art.
BingoBoingo: Well, how could they when they went from Seward through the end of WWII without Europe slapping them?
BingoBoingo: Lincoln winning the war of Northern Aggression in this respect was a European failure.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-05 02:51 asciilifeform recently reread 'tigerfibel', really a megaclassic of technical writing for all time
mircea_popescu: note that the core of the advice the chief practitioner of what's left of us economy consists of... !!!!!!DO NOT!!!!!!! pretend to lordship!!!!
mircea_popescu: it's like the fucktards are trying to build an empire on knives, but bereft of a blade and missing a handle.
mircea_popescu: back before roosevelt and his successors permanently fixed the quality of life, a man's household (in which he kept a single woman and her issue, plus some servants) had a front door for peers and a back door for servants and suppliers
mircea_popescu: the butler (head servant) generally opened the front door ; the head maid did not open the back door -- usually you'd get one of the scullery maids.
mircea_popescu: the male staff was generally butler, gardener, chauffeur, one or two handymen [plus, of course, all the military folk, in older times]. the female staff was a maid for the wife, a maid or nanny for each child, a main cook, possibly a help, and a pair to n indistinct maids, brushing the silverware, abrading the tables one layer each week, scrubbing the floors etc.
mircea_popescu: these latter were sometimes used as venereal-undiseased fuckrelief for the older son ; but generally, it's a harem with very little fucking going around.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the reasonably well to do man in the city kept dozen+ females + half dozen males in bread and shoes with little difficulty, and plenty of dough leftover for consols.
mircea_popescu: this, quite exactly ~this~ is the substance of hitler's lament, " It is similar in the world. It just does not work, to have 46 million British people block 40 million km² of earth and simply declare: God gave it to us, and 20 years ago we got some from you too; this is ours now, and will not give it back. And France, And France with its not very fertile earth, almost 80 people on a square kilometer, yet they have over 9
mircea_popescu: million km of trees. Germany with its over 80 million people does not have more than 600,000 km. "
mircea_popescu: it worked because aforesaid british embassy set, and so everyone going to port in english ports bought coal. so they subsidized.
mircea_popescu: recall ru fleet taking 3 years to reach japan ? "no access to british ports"
mircea_popescu: silver is 15 dollars an ounce, by consequence 240 dollars per pound ; coal is ~80 dollars a short ton
mircea_popescu: now how do you propose to burn three tons of coal in a year ?
mircea_popescu: so you know i has this very great capacity for passivization, you can in fact start a fire again from a coal fire 6 hours old