tmsr - Search: thompson

snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-29 12:10:45 mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.

asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform can burn in the higher temperature circle of hell, where ken thompson is!1

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << you keep struggling with this issue, and it's unseemly. looky, you didn't invent computers. you weren't there when ken thompson shocked himself on the pdp or when richie papercut himself with the unix manual or when etcetera. you're fifth generation, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. plenty of people hacked away at linux or at unix or at whatever the fuck else back when you were installing l ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 16:15 trinque: why not gcc3 or 2 then? where'd the thompson come in?

mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, if you implement some dumb protocol, ~even if you implement it correctly~, and ~even if you use it on non-thompson hardware~, nevertheless you have a hole : the dumb protocol, potentially doing who knows what on the side.

mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.

asciilifeform: observe how the unix folx, richie & thompson, also proceeded similarly, doubled down on the 'unix philosophy' in e.g. 'inferno'

ben_vulpes: granted the 5 is built with a ken thompson'd 6, and the 4 built with a thompson'd 5.

asciilifeform: ( traditionally compiler was distrusted not even because thompson, but because buggy. )

mircea_popescu: over time it'll actually get systematized, as in the aaerne-thompson system for folk takes, or as in the tmsr-diff here. but that day is far into teh future.

asciilifeform: 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence

mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun personally see the link between unix and multics beyond "well, thompson and ritchie!!"

a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 22:14 asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket.

mircea_popescu: patrick thompson is more of a tool for repeating that sorta nonsense than ver himself.

mircea_popescu: the point re thompson's compiler is easily misunderstood, in the sense of being conceptualized too narrowly. that unwarranted narrowness then permits you to handwave his objection re null ciphers in the actual technical discussion ; but look how you fell for an obfuscated null cipher yourself right here!

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> js-of-mp: hunter thompson had a thing re drinking ether << Nah, huffing it

asciilifeform: phf: re hunter h. thompson << i really ~wanted~ to like him. but bounced off every time tried to read any.

phf: actually in 2005 or so, i was reading a lot of hunter thompson and first got into the whole americana thing. i spent some time at kind of dirty biker honky tonk places. my guides, on more than one occasion, warned me not to speak at all (at first, and while i'm sober anyway), so as not to alert the locals to the fact that i'm russian. i'm pretty sure that at this point at the same bars i would automatically gain an honored guest status for being russia

asciilifeform: but oughta see that thompson is an absolute bar to hygienic computing ~with gcc~ or any other similarly complex compiler.

asciilifeform: presently i suspect that mircea_popescu has a correct understanding of thompson.

mircea_popescu: ~all my interest in this dispute is the imo important point that thompson issue & friends is no actual bar to republican computing.

asciilifeform: the one where 'i can read an eprom without a comp. and write it without a comp. now where is your thompson bomb.'

mircea_popescu: well ok, so the understanding of the thompson bootstrap problem is that it's not an absolute bar to bootstrapping, but a possible pitfall ?

asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it was class 1 or 2. this is an equivalent notation of the thompson problem for compilers (there's no difference between hashing and compiling in this sense).

phf: mircea_popescu: trust in bootstrapping problem is a specific concern that comes from ken thompson's "reflections on trusting trust"

asciilifeform: '... Marbley has held Thompson in contempt of court since December 2015 for violating terms of a plea deal by refusing to respond to questions about the coins' locations.'

BingoBoingo: phf: At this point it seems all the Muricans want to be "The Hunter S. Thompson of" X

mircea_popescu: "Lesson one at the academia should be the importance of separating vocation from avocation, as character actor Fred Thompson and electrical contractor Benjamin Franklin both understood."

assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.

mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no. ☟︎

phf: i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something?

BingoBoingo: Hastings may very well have simply pushed his luck one too many times with reckless behavior. In true Hunter S. Thompson fashion. Even then it would still be interesting to know what he was working on. A lesson for acoyltes of the press? << Thompson preserved his live by straddling the edge of credibility. "To weird to die" was likely both his motto and official USG policy.

ag3nt_zer0: " "Our budget isn't considered part of homeland defense, so it wasn't a priority," Thompson said, as he drove past the 20-foot (6-meter) hole in the border fence that Eggle's killer drove through. "But how long will it be until someone figures out that you could easily drive a semi-truck with a nuclear device through here?"

asciilifeform: 1) spray orange paint on 'thompson' 2) pull out in front of police 3) ??? 4) profit!!!111!

bitstein: "Democratic state Rep. Senfronia Thompson criticized the company by saying that 'it would have been wiser if Mr. Tesla had sat down with the car dealers first.' But there is no 'Mr. Tesla' involved in the company, which is named after the late inventor Nikola Tesla and is founded and run by Elon Musk." https://fortune.com/2015/05/18/tesla-texas/

assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:31:06; asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy.

brendafdez: The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2]

asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease

adlai: antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists

mircea_popescu: "Thompson was faced with a hardware environment cramped and spartan even for the time: the DEC PDP-7 on which he started in 1968 was a machine with 8K 18-bit words of memory and no software useful to him."

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: folks are used to their sawed-off shotguns, balk at slightly heavier, longer 'thompson'

mircea_popescu: thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period

mircea_popescu: "When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them."

asciilifeform: but the argument here is not about sabotaged ken-thompson-style tools. but about tools that foster intellectual atrophy. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Or when Nixon banished the rest of the press corps so he could talk to Hunter S. Thompson about football

BingoBoingo: What is this shit? Did Hemmingway's drinking get in the way? Did Hunter S. Thompson's drinking get in the way? Maybe drinking is what keeps Linus effective in the face of Poetterings?

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> I've got a camera. I've got a tent. << lmao what an attitude << Given the alternatives in Usaschwitz, that Thompson guy found an interesting defense against the Feds with his selectively unreliable narration.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: There once was a man named Ken Thompson / Who had a peculiar Johnson; / For park it he will / In no hole he 'adn't drilled; / Lest the hole tap a thread that's unwholesome.

BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu ya I'll get on that this week. I have a Thompson 1927-A1 coming in next week I can probably get listed and sold ASAP.

mircea_popescu: mike_c: like hunter s. thompson needs fucking BI to improve his writing. << where would hts be w/o bi!!1

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For the past several decades now, Thompson/Reuters have made a lot of money on this model of information that is at least in principle readily available, but intimidating to encounter in its free form.

mircea_popescu: thompson financial is doing decent money simply by having collected and assembled all this data.

mircea_popescu: "Scott Thompson (born February 25, 1965), better known by his stage name Carrot Top, is an American comedian, known for his bright red hair, prop comedy, and self-deprecating humor."