BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Thanks. Got to beat Coindesk to the aggragators
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm guessing you aren't familiar serious humidity.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You seem to have the stronger social media presence
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: lol seem? i'm happy to help :)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well, I'm gifting you that Canadian modesty.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: there's most certainly benefit derived from twitter and west nile isn't the half of it
bitcoinpete: not saying it's much of a benefit… just non-zero
moiety: BingoBoingo: not really, I don't think thailand for a fortnight, hopping from aircon to aircon counts lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember that time quite a while back when, maybe it was accident on your part, but you loosened the anus's of the various Apple Occultists with your hypercard post.
BingoBoingo realized this week he had indeed run into Loper well before -assets
BingoBoingo: Digging through archives I found hypercard setup VM exactly as asciilifeform described
moiety: asciilifeform: what should a microwriter cost now (approx)?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the VM's name was one of the library school classes, so maybe I did the loosening during a presentation in a technology class.
moiety: you get modern usb ones :o i think the older ones look nicer though.definitely one for the collection
BingoBoingo: This was a crowd of the sort where "technology"=="social media"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September"
http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 58(Y):42(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.02379439 BTC. Current weight: 90,188.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You're welcome. I mean the summaries suck when the ignore the SEC's endorsement of MPEx in the actual filing.
nubbins`: well, you're one upvote closer to the front page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086494 = 4.5842 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo remembers the project as "present what three vendors have in the way of tools for advancing technology education"
BingoBoingo presented OS 7.5.1 with Hypercard, lynx, and Sun Ultra 80.
bloctoc: Financial Times has a paragraph today on mpex, alongside the SEC story on Erik Vorhees.
nubbins`: this is actually hilariously epic
nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that
bloctoc: probably won't work, but here goes:
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
bloctoc: can you yokels not afford FT subscription?
nubbins`: it's more a case of not being interested in supporting a paywall
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Not can't afford. Can't conscience sending them money.
bloctoc: that may change. FT didn't mention the price or say btc is tulip, ponzi, scam. They're usually pretty abusive.
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
bloctoc: A number of Bitcoin enthusiasts have been drawn to trading in shares of virtual currency companies, or other financial instruments such as Bitcoin derivatives, traded in Bitcoin on unregulated websites. MPex, the Romanian exchange where SatoshiDice used to trade, currently lists four stocks, one fund and five derivatives for trading.
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: yeah, they are writing out their possibility of being in my WoT with the inane engineering of their paywall
nubbins`: i'll never give them money now
bloctoc: put me in your wot and I'll pm you
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: Have you even looked at ft.com on lynx if you reject cookies?
bloctoc: that doesn't sound even remotely fun.
assbot: Quebec motorist accused in two deaths said she was helping ducks - Montreal - CBC News
BingoBoingo: ;;rate mike_c 3 liberator, analytic, numerical enforcer of honesty
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not sure, but I think I just changed the text
BingoBoingo: ;;rate asciilifeform 4 Realized I've been using his writings longer than I remembered
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 2 to 4.
assbot: Bitcoin business owner fined by SEC over share sales By... - justpaste.it
moiety: ah i'm too slow mike_c XD
mike_c: yours has nicer fonts though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086541 = 4.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086559 = 11.3392 BTC [+]
bloctoc: did satoshi dice really raise 10 million BTC?
bloctoc: with a 100 Million BTC valuation?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]
nubbins`: things were different back then
mike_c: that is still impossible. that would have been, what, ALL the btc?
bloctoc: there was a cap of 21 million btc back then
bloctoc: I think 100 million is all the doge
mike_c: nobody would have been able to play :)
BingoBoingo: bloctoc: I thought circulating Doge was in the Billions, either tens or hundreds of
bloctoc: nubbins I'm saying the important things haven't changed since back then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4263 @ 0.00008018 = 0.3418 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5139 @ 0.00007993 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Rubber-hose cryptanalysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mike_c: it's funny how many google queries lead back to stan
mike_c: ;;google rectothermal cryptanalysis
mike_c: i saw that earlier. cracks me up :)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: See this linking and getting linked thing is insidious...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44319 @ 0.00086494 = 38.3333 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I wonder if Oreilly would actually commision that title though. I'd buy it.
mike_c: it's like democracy. the worst except for the alternatives.
mike_c: damn, jd had a good day.
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 167.34645873 BTC; +0.36335907 BTC (+0.2176%) since last check 1d 3h 29m 42s ago.
mike_c: line between a marketer and a spammer is thin.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's basically what FeedZeBirds was
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno what it really did. I think he bought it second or third hand
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5209 @ 0.0000889 = 0.4631 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6981 @ 0.00086537 = 6.0411 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]
peterl: I used feedzebirds briefly
peterl: it seemed like a nice idea
BingoBoingo: peterl: Do you remember what exactly it was about?
peterl: you got to pick the retweets to send out, and so you could just use the interesting ones
peterl: you got paid based on how many followers you had
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00007902 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: i'll make you shortbread if you ever get in the WoT Vexual :]
assbot: [Cryptostocks]JDBIF another scammer that claims to have lost funds | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2929 @ 0.00007605 = 0.2228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5135 @ 0.00007439 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think it's possible to synthesize VHDL to a 7400 TTL netlist?
Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.
BingoBoingo: So. Meterologists are supposing a derechero is possible here in 7-12 hours. If I go silent after that time for a while cause is more likely power outage than rectotherm.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2476 @ 0.00007194 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Are you finally here, away from the forum?
Vexual: what are you making ascii?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07600001 = 0.532 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But basically this is where him and Hanbot live now.
BingoBoingo: MP just moved to Argentina and is busy eating all the steak he can
Phinnaeus: it's been a while since I've used IRC.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: I've moved away from the forum in favor of it after having only a few hours playing with it previously
Phinnaeus: Somebody else from the forum is in Argentina, if I'm not mistaken.
assbot: end-to-end - End-To-End - Google Project Hosting
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few are
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: How is the northern part of our corrupt hellhole?
Phinnaeus: Does the name Florian Gasquez ring a bell for anybody here?
decimation: "Why do you only support Elliptic Curve (EC) key generation? Generating RSA keypairs is very significantly slower than generating EC-based ones. EC-based keys are just as secure. "
Phinnaeus: followers was not important,,,, wrong link
BingoBoingo: Ah, Phin are you in the bitcoin-otc WoT yet?
assbot: weelya (weelya) auf Twitter
Phinnaeus: Boy, I think I just figured out that assbot is not a real person.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07501054 = 0.3751 BTC [+]
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Anyways this channel has a log, and a bash and other shit
assbot: Steve Boj (sboj) auf Twitter
BingoBoingo can't tell if nausea is the vodka or the tweet connections
assbot: APE (Ajax Push Engine) :: Comet server :: Real time data streaming
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: He keeps the IRC bot in line and occasionally blesses it with new functions
BingoBoingo: The title thing is pretty new. ozbot used to do that and deliver porn to the channel
Vexual: what happened to that?
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com #bitcoin-assets +m
Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
Phinnaeus: What is this trust thing I'm asked to get?
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: You can register a GPG key or BTC address with gribble
BingoBoingo: then I can rate you and you can get auto voice for being Phinnaeus
Vexual: does gribble flip coins?
assbot: OTC Rating System - bitcoin-otc wiki
Phinnaeus: Okay. Gribble, send me some coins via the address I'm about to give you so that you truly know it's me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0278007 = 0.278 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: If you BTC address auth it's the stupid signature thing...
Phinnaeus: I could reply to the person who sent me here via PM on BT
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: That's me. I'm Atruk on the forum.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But if you know I'm 618 that's like... 3/5ths of the state's area I could be in
BingoBoingo: I also can't register you with the bots... Once you are registered I can rate you.
BingoBoingo: MP probably can explain this all more elegantly
Phinnaeus: How important is to be registered?
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Well, it is a huge convenience thing.
mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs"
BingoBoingo: otherwise you ask people and they will probably give voice.
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: But the keys to give and take voice only are offered to registered people, because crypto
Phinnaeus: Bring me up to speed. What's "take voice" and what's the purpose of this IRC channel (any IRC channel)?
BingoBoingo: Well, this channel exists because... Maybe someone can explain it better...
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Voice, giving and taking of it, is an idiot silencing and anti-spam measure.
Phinnaeus: Remember, I'm the Bitcoiner that doesn't mine, nor host a client. And, trust InstaWallet with my 1,132 BTC of which davout (staff of BT) now has in one of his fat-ass wallets.
moiety: BingoBoingo: re: goat on a cliff. "If you squint just right you can see how it got there" lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5800 @ 0.00006081 = 0.3527 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Did you see the sort of eldrich not Manul beast I encountered Monday?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14765 @ 0.00004298 = 0.6346 BTC [-] {16}
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: You are welcome. Pretty sure there's more stuff to get caught up on after spending so long in the Thermos ghetto.
moiety: i made a quick how-to in the wiki on the homepage too Phinnaeus in case thats of any help
moiety: no i haven't BB :o logged?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Local was wrestling with one of these Pizza sized critters trying to get it off the road
Vexual: that thing is cooler than a goat on something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 18 @ 0.04622666 = 0.8321 BTC [-] {8}
moiety: that is not a turtle, that thing is from game of thrones or something
peterl: Phinnaeus: wow, suprised to see you here. You still feeding hungry people?
BingoBoingo: Thing is native to parts of Illinois, but there is a lack of evidence it was ever native to place I passed it, but "reintroducing species" and shit like that
Phinnaeus: I was surprised to see that Mircea was banned on BT a while back.
moiety: "lost/abandoned exotic pets"
Phinnaeus: Question: I met Goat in KC last year. Is he a good guy?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, you're Atruk on the forum?
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Well... actually Hannah was banned
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.00021548 = 2.1548 BTC [+]
Phinnaeus: @peter That's Jason King's outfit, that I was just helping out.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: yeah, didn't you know... from like the signature...
moiety: I'd know that beard anywhere now!
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: My impression is he's friendly. Misguided. Opportunistic. Maybe one of stupid or self serving.
Phinnaeus: Was Hannah the one that had that pick of toes last year that Jack Off to very now and then?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000762 = 0.381 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: i've done some business with goat, nice enough guy, seems a bit scatterbrained
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: Your 30 minutes of voice expired
Phinnaeus: I've been on here for 30 minutes already?
Phinnaeus: ...while you're taking a shit...literally!
nubbins`: you may also wish to use an actual irc client instead of the web interface, lots of handy features like tab-completion for nicks
nubbins`: for example, i just type "ph" and hit tab to get "Phinnaeus"
nubbins`: also, you can sort of just minimize it without worrying about timeouts etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00087545 = 2.1886 BTC [+]
Vexual: oh mircea, zips on your boots!
Phinnaeus: I'm a noob when it comes to all this client stuff
moiety: they are really handy once youve had a wee click about. it's all straightforward nick and pass stuff
Phinnaeus: But, I do okay with HTML, CSS and Google-fu
BingoBoingo: Phinnaeus: X chat may be a good client to try then
mike_c: i hate cloudflare as much as everyone, but this is actually a really useful primer on RSA and EC if you are new to the details of how they work:
assbot: A (Relatively Easy To Understand) Primer on Elliptic Curve Cryptography | CloudFlare Blog
moiety: then an irc client will be nothing :D
moiety: i have gone back to xchat and i have no idea why. i'm missing smuxi
Phinnaeus: I thought Hannah was the primer on elliptic curves.
BingoBoingo: That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife
peterl: nubbins`: wow, I didn't know that about tab completion. Learn something new every day!
Phinnaeus: I guess after a few more sessions here, I'll get up to speed as to how to use this IRC thingie.
nubbins`: peterl, hang around me and you'll learn a few new things every day
Vexual: i keep my left hand on tab always
nubbins`: Phinnaeus: a dedicated client can also highlight lines with your nickname, play a sound when you're mentioned, etc
moiety: BB, no what's actually bothering me is the colours. everyone had their own before and i guess i just got used to it. now its in blocks of i'm not sure but they are definitely shared
Phinnaeus: So that's where The Thinker keeps his left hand.
Phinnaeus: Got to go back to Google-fuuing, all.
moiety: i like how clients identify you automatically to nickserv when you open it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7661 @ 0.000075 = 0.5746 BTC [-]
peterl: he will se it in the logs
Phinnaeus: Speaking of log, need to wipe now.
peterl: or you can have gribble tell him later
moiety: bye Phinnaeus nice to meet you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087549 = 11.4689 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: one could use a commercial tool and hack it, but it would be neat if there were a tool that took into account gate delays etc.
decimation: I'll see if I can find Mr. Parker's warez
moiety: he had to go fuuing BB, he said he would be back
gribble: #20672 Mon Jun 2 11:57:18 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt @ 0.039728 BTC (Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back.
http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx) mike_c: hehe. you mean the nsa recommended ones?
decimation: It is interesting that google "dropped support" of RSA in alpha for "performance reasons"
Vexual: asciilifeform:what are you making re: 7400s? no such lAptop?
decimation: no doubt, EC is better to implement in the hell that is javascript
moiety: just how big are these tshirts btw nubbins`?
decimation: but I suspect the majority of existing GPG keys use RSA (or maybe elgamal)
nubbins`: we use regular gildan tees, sizes from small to xxl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4602 @ 0.000075 = 0.3452 BTC [-]
moiety: kk, makes sense lol thanks :D
nubbins`: i'll prolly print the current orders in the next couple days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37070 @ 0.000075 = 2.7803 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0295 = 0.295 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They were probably taught better than to.
assbot: Big Mess o' Wires » Nibbler 4 Bit CPU
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine the inspectors get accustomed to annoying answers and learn not to ask
moiety: thought it must have been a crash of some sort BB
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
decimation: looking at the end-to-end turd, it appears that they do support many ciphers: aes.js aeskeywrap_testdata.js blowfish.js cipher.js ciphertext.js ecdh.js elgamal.js idea.js rsa.js workerservice.js
decimation: aeskeywrap.js all.js cast5.js cipher_algorithm.js des.js ecdh_testdata.js factory.js key.js workercipher.js
decimation: no d00d chrome puts each window in it's own process!
nubbins`: i've been meaning to pick up pihkal / tihkal for years
nubbins`: spent a long time in a very unique position
nubbins`: i recall reading years ago that he was doing the whole *ihkal thing with cacti
nubbins`: experimenting with compounds, dosing, etc
nubbins`: afaik DEA exemption letter is all you need. would be cool to see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
decimation: lol. I'm pretty sure the DEA tracks that stuff to the mg
nubbins`: i found it amusing that LSD was the only drug he didn't include trip reports for, on account of there being so many thousands in the literature already
assbot: New York Times Columnist Maureen Dowd Is Very Bad at Getting High
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course they are. Question is why media outlet proceeds as though they aren't...
nubbins`: didn't she know eating it is so much crazier?!
nubbins`: "i'll just eat a gram", said many stoners an hour before a night-long panic attack
decimation: it appers the google js crypto supports djb's 255 19 curve, I don't know javascript well enough to figure out what is set for the default
assbot: Sex Doll with Giant Cans Visibly Aroused to Sell Used Car on eBay
decimation: well, the trouble is that even if the code in the repository is good, the user downloads the crypto every time he goes to gmail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00086614 = 22 BTC [-]
decimation: how does the user validate the dog pile of javascript he gets each time?
decimation: aside from your point about memory separation, this just seems kinda dumb
decimation: in the sense that it panders to the lowest common denominator of the webbrowser OS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5646 @ 0.00086614 = 4.8902 BTC [-]
Vexual: improve dmt, leave the coil for good
nubbins`: yeh, guy went to the moon long before btc did
nubbins`: his writings and work were a major influence in my formative years
Vexual: the vice article hints at a post humous book
BingoBoingo: What was wrong with the late Hunter S Thompson?
nubbins`: yeah, i know they were writing throughout the 2000's
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: how'd he die, you mean?
nubbins`: or what was his problem when he was still alive
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I mean what is the problem with declaring him the Socrates of 20th Century drugging?
Vexual: socrates wsnt american
assbot: Creepypasta Wiki Issues Statement Saying Slender Man Isn't Real
nubbins`: ooh, that's gonna hurt the defence's case
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Athen was kind of a shithole at the time...
BingoBoingo: I mean by Aristotle Athen was just that place Macedonians went for easy boys to rape.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]
nubbins`: something about this drum throne makes my dick fall asleep after a few minutes
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That isn't healthy. Dick can have problems.
BingoBoingo: Do you really want your favorite vascular organ getting ischemic from clots
nubbins`: just so we're clear, i don't sit on a drum throne all day
nubbins`: i'm just in the basement smoking ;(
nubbins`: ('throne' is a bit of an embellishment)
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Still sounds dangerous. More so now that you confess to a vasoconstrictor. Go to ER, get TPA shot just in case.
nubbins`: tell ya what, let's meet halfway and i'll just find an actual chair
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You may forget, but I recently had a run in with testicular injury and scrotal illness... Stay in a fucking real chair.
Vexual: i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins`
BingoBoingo: Area is vascular enough any part that has problem has big problems fast... within hours
Vexual: and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone
BingoBoingo: Right, because they won't give you painkillers if you need them for some reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02125 = 0.255 BTC [-]
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gi0OEOl84y
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: So... it appears the Erik story is in the /. cue
moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it
moiety: there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real
moiety: i'm not actually sure, article just says he can make tendrils with is fingers and back
moiety: i think its a game though
BingoBoingo: Slenderman is one of those mythical stories invented on SA/b/reddit not really worth reading.
assbot: Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate
BingoBoingo: Slenderman is basically a novelization of Usagi's nightmares about MP
moiety: oh so it wasn't originally a game.
BingoBoingo: Basically whitekid fear experience after first seeing not famous NBA players in person
moiety: lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point]
moiety: which is how she got back to being the one with the blade
BingoBoingo: What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence
moiety: hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00085755 = 27.9561 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: kinda half assed, aye that'll do + walk away thing too
moiety: they are too busy being hip
BingoBoingo: Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon.
moiety: these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGhwabBzcU
assbot: Hundreds of zombie homes plague Milwaukee neighborhoods
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07999889 = 0.16 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York
BingoBoingo: In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture"
assbot: A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business
Vexual: that look slike mps old place
Vexual: don't get much for your money in the old usa tho
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food
assbot: The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Vexual: you repurposing the word nutrient ?
kakobrekla: i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one was resonant, because I live near ground zero
BingoBoingo: Monsanto and Urban Corn share a home for a reason
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moiety: schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too
moiety: see this corn woman though, it's like she just woke up to this 8 ft high cornwall around her home. how long does it take to grow even?!
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns
Vexual: ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for
BingoBoingo: In StL proper you find Sub $5k houses without buyers, because Oh noes, negros!
BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the flip side of the problem
dub: this is clearly why minimum wage is an evil communist plot
BingoBoingo: dub: People in the "city" don't get "wages" they get SSI
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for.
dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW
BingoBoingo: www.forbes.com/special-report/2012/1016_zip-codes.html
Vexual: afrikaans love them some z
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Vexual: got your passport back yet?
BingoBoingo: Every major city has a few suburbs like those
assbot: BBC News - The Indian miracle-buster stuck in Finland
Vexual: youtube.com/watch?v=d8Fmu3RLEOY
BingoBoingo: Oh, only 4-8 hours until I was offered a derechero might wreak havok
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Vexual: get me on a greyhound!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah...
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nubbins`: mad max 2 has a 100% rating on rotten tomatoes, hey?
BingoBoingo: Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis
Vexual: thats the one with tina turner?
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assbot: If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder.
BingoBoingo: I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear
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fluffypony: asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing?
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fluffypony: Naphex: you have to re-up yourself I think
Naphex: interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd
Naphex: see? how's that working, cmon i already am voiced ;]
xmj: such voice, many listen, much wow
xmj: (No, I could not resist that one.)
Naphex: no worries, every time someone does it a shiba inu dies
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davout: fluffypony Naphex wai u up?
Naphex: looks like i have some offset
davout: haha why did you up! ?
Naphex: anyway davout did you ever implement FAST and is anyone using it?
davout: Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently
Naphex: also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one
Naphex: and just sell that mass improved
Naphex: i'm working on a realtime protobuf interface for trading, with incremental streamed updates and realtime orders.
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davout: it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D
Naphex: what's he going crazy about?
Naphex: just change Bitcoin-Central to Paymium on front page, and you're about done :P
davout: since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting
Naphex: you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform?
Naphex: won't it clutter up with all the merchant features?
davout: you mean on the front page ?
Naphex: no i mean just in general, the code the platform etc
Naphex: i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter
Naphex: and unifing the wallets so they can interlink
davout: the interlink code could count as clutter as well
Naphex: then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging
Naphex: well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest
davout: you don't do the exchanging ?
Naphex: so atleast they share same wallet/account
davout: i mean can't a merchant request to be paid 12.34 EUR and receive exactly that ?
Naphex: but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways
davout: i like the idea of having a single app to maintain
Naphex: i think exchange / payment services are too big fields too keep under same app
davout: also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared
davout: the money flows are managed in a unified process
Naphex: probably but that opens a whole lot of room, for vulnerabilities, bugs, spaghetti code, maintainance problems
Naphex: and a lot of clutter in a big app
xmj: Naphex: what language do you write that one in?
Naphex: since merchant are going too need merchant reports, invoice listings, button generators, cart generators, apis and plugins to intergrate in popular ecommerce platforms
davout: Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage
Naphex: xmj: nowadays i usually write standalone java for backends
fluffypony: xmj: Naphex has been plugged directly into his server banks for a while now
fluffypony: I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday
davout: api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc
xmj: Naphex: Java seems a popular choice for financial transaction backends
xmj: Naphex: we've developed a p2p credit/lending site, our bank's API connectors are in java.
Naphex: xmj: its pretty lean, fast, threading is a dream and NIO is great and fast and easy to implement
Naphex: then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers
Naphex: but i don't use servlets or other middleware, so there's that.
xmj: matter of taste i guess.
xmj: I really really like Python, because it's legible and fast to write prototypes in.
xmj: By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython.
Naphex: python's not bad. twisted python is perty okay
xmj: (though, I can't write C. yet.)
Naphex: i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions
Naphex: but rarely i have to do that for backends, as in hardware nowadays is too fast to care
Naphex: but i have done a lot of that for embedded and it worked out very nice
Naphex: <+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage <<
Naphex: I like my stuff modular, i split a big app into scalable services
xmj: benefit: you can reuse those parts more easily across customers.
Naphex: now i know services are secure and they stay clean and sharp to the point code
xmj: no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them.
Naphex: so i can have wallet nodes, exchange nodes (which can be split into INSTRUMENT servers)
davout: Naphex: you're bound to have quite some coupling
Naphex: there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start
Naphex: and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets
Naphex: exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency
Naphex: and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them
Naphex: they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well
davout: but do you have a single unified domain model ?
davout: yeah, we have that too, the web interface is a module that hooks into the API
davout: it's not built in to the app
Naphex: see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app?
Naphex: or be split into modular nodes
davout: there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment
Naphex: i just think one big app to handle wallet api, exchange api, payments api might just be too big
Naphex: and eventually you will have to split it to scale
davout: well, look at the trading for example
davout: you can not horizontally scale it
davout: it *has* to be a sequential queue that's processed FIFO
davout: how does having it as a separate thing help ?
Naphex: well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue.
davout: i mean, in my case it's a separate process, but it does however leverage a unique domain model
Naphex: but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments
davout: it needs to record transactions
Naphex: because it handles exchange data, and orders, and order queues, and execution
davout: executions result in writes into your accounting, right?
Naphex: davout: brb gotta eat, continue afteward if you're still on
Naphex: davout: but an exchange transaction != a bitcoin transaction
Naphex: or an exchange transaction != payment transaction
davout: sure, but they all need to be accounted for
davout: they need to go in the ledger, also these transactions may share properties
davout: a lot of code is common between a bitcoin deposit and an invoice bitcoin payment
davout: for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation
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davout: the sec will have to go feck itself eventually
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assbot: Apple OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Top 6 New Features
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pankkake: "Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function?
pankkake: "That is a gorgeous trash can," Federighi said. "You wouldn't believe how much time we spent crafting a trash can."
kakobrekla: i guess next question is, does it come with lipstick?
adrrr: pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D
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jurov: one has to be apple hater to find such "features" ridiculous?
fluffypony: yeah I quite like Apple and I think that's a stupid feature to focus on
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dub: apple only does stupid features so its unfair to pick on this
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dub: does apple still exist? not even my hipster sister rolls macbook anymore
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dub: thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users
davout: dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix
davout: jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed
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dub: thats not particularly compelling
pankkake: with the worst window management ever
dub: I don't need unix at my end terminal and its only a couple of clicks away
davout: pankkake: what do you mean ?
davout: dub: so you're windows?
pankkake: it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing
davout: pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way
davout: i keep raging about it each time i use a windows comp, and i don't use gui when i use linux
davout: mostly because i use linux for servers
davout: dub: well, osx is pretty good for ui imo, so i'm happy this way
davout: also, they're finally sucking the bitcoin cock :D
dub: just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile
dub: which is a change from last time I thought about it
pankkake: do they really allow bitcoin applications, or is it yet another redditation?
davout: pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in
davout: so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story
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pankkake: * Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud
davout: that doesn't change the point
davout: their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too
pankkake: well they might not want to allow application that store the private key
davout: pankkake: sounds doubtful
davout: their issue was "facilitating transmission"
davout: we'll see if blockchain gets back
Naphex: they will prolly ban p2p aps
Naphex: as they ban torrent apps a well
Naphex: so no Mycelium or thin clients
Naphex: Peer2Peer wallets, that connect to bitcoin network and do SPV
Naphex: so only centralized single source wallets
davout: the idea that they'll make a difference isn't supported by any facts so far
Naphex: well.. blockchain is down yet mycelium works
Naphex: so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours
Naphex: while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure
davout: no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service
davout: is supported neither by their policy, nor by factual experience
davout: "My Father's house has many rooms"
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Naphex: "Datorita atitudinii unor persoane dorim sa va comunicam oficial ca raspunsurile noastre nu vor mai fi oferite pe acest forum. Dorim sa pastram o relatie profesionala si sa evitam raspunsul amenintarilor primite."
Naphex: customers will definetly be less threating if they received their shit on time
Naphex: my blood just boils if i order something/pre-order something and it never gets delivered
Naphex: every mining company should just stop selling preorders period.
Naphex: and build their equipment or sell stock
Naphex: probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action
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Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for
pankkake: there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer
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assbot: GHash.IO & double spending : Bitcoin
davout: people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens
davout: - there's nothing left to rape
Naphex: so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then
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davout: what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post)
Naphex: davout: ghash.io double spending against some bitcoin casino
Naphex: roll dig win -> let transaction confirm / lose -> double spend
davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward
Naphex: but still basic attack, they can just drop the tx and double spend. some luck required
davout: kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help
Naphex: well they might not be doing it and someone else just messing with their system
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Naphex: who knows what they use to detect transactions and how their system executes
pankkake: artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p
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artifexd: You would certainly have to be an idjot to bet on it. I was just curious.
assbot: Apple - iOS 8 - Overview
Naphex: how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up?
davout: Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c
Naphex: Each enhancement has a purpose. Every new feature deserves to be a new feature.
Naphex: god forbid you enhance without any purpose or add old new features
mircea_popescu: by this rationale every competitor to apple deserves to be successful.
mircea_popescu: someone sent me a trilema credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: so mircea why no ssl on trilema? what if NSA steals my cookie?:(
mircea_popescu: the long version being that there's no ssl on trilema because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP.
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mircea_popescu: im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody.
mircea_popescu: and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore.
Naphex: aren't all bussiness nowadays made from nothing?
Naphex: and require 0 money just a good idea?
Naphex: and some poor sob to code it
mircea_popescu: if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix.
Naphex: hehe thats what i meant
mircea_popescu: but incidentally, this is a good fucking point, re php. hear all ye haters and knowppls : steal a trilema cookie, get a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: since php is so insecure and everything, it should be trivial to do.
Naphex: well it works in the office cause i'm behind the same IP
Naphex: yep i'm guessing its hooked to remote_addr
Naphex: is it just hashed and you check hash or you keep serverside session?
Naphex: so just hash(remote_addr+salt+pw) in /set-cookie.php
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07645606 = 0.1529 BTC [+]
Naphex: but set-cookie doesn't encrypt "cod" :)
Naphex: so i can just snag it from there
Naphex: and have lots of trilema credits
Naphex: sadly i am not the nsa:(
Naphex: Parola: <input type="text" name="cod" />
mircea_popescu: ok so you snag it from there, and what ? crack the hash ?
Mats_cd03: I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc
Naphex: mircea_popescu: what is that hash anyway seems variable output
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no?
Naphex: e163Gpassword_test_inputl68a9
Naphex: so its just the math for the ip/checksum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00085342 = 16.9327 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose an extra layer couldn't possibly hurt.
mircea_popescu: attention all people logged into trilema : im putting in a change ticket, which will be implemented whenever today and as a result will prolly log you out. just log back in will be fine.
Naphex: so do i get a bitcoin?:) %%
Naphex: wait i was just about to break the hash
mircea_popescu: i'll put the ticket in tomorrow then, that enough for you ?
Naphex: nah i was just kidding, do the ticket
Naphex: atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:)
Naphex: i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip
Naphex: doesn't look ip2long/long to ip
Naphex: e163(G) <- this one :)password_test_inputl68a9
Mats_cd03: food price watch tracking trends in various places
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00085342 = 0.3209 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: food riots remaining a perennial phenomenon worldwide
pankkake: at least americans will be able to eat their fat
dub: kenyans can eat american fat
dub: obama was sent to initiate the harvest
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dub: all muslims eat babies, remember?
mircea_popescu: gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line
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mircea_popescu sings ♫♩ it's a muslim eat baby would out there baby ♬ make a lotta nice friends ♪♪ if you don't make a lotta nice friends come back, babe...
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mircea_popescu: so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: i shall ponder this matter while my salmon omlet cooks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36464 @ 0.00084981 = 30.9875 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour!
assbot: I've come to my senses...I sold all my dogecoins and am full into bitcoin again. Not gonna f*** with those alt coins again. : Bitcoin
pankkake: "You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now.
pankkake: "The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others.
pankkake: god, how I hate those scam pumpers
TomServo: I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that.
atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 65k@141 25k@141 100k@140
TomServo: LTC/BTC exchange rate has been in a pretty steady decline for a while now
fluffypony: you can mergemine it with ManulCoin and Altcoin
fluffypony: also it'll be written in Swift because that's a modern language
moiety: omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too
moiety: i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc
fluffypony: the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc.
fluffypony: and about a billion dumb features submitted as pull requests
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you can't merge ltc with atc, one's scrypt
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no no, FluffyCoin and ManulCoin will merge-mine with ATC
mircea_popescu: <moiety> omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too << coins made out of shag.
mircea_popescu: <moiety> i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc << not noticeably different.
mircea_popescu: you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing"
TomServo: "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment."
pankkake: merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously
pankkake: still a better reason than silver to bitcoin's gold
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, you can actually merge mine atc with btc neh ?
pankkake: no, you'd have to patch atc for that
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mircea_popescu: mike_c, i seriously see why it'd make sense for your site.
mircea_popescu: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's definitely some future in the blog credits thing.
mircea_popescu: well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is."
moiety: i think i would have to give out credits to get people to read a blog
xmj: mircea_popescu: so you don't ignore me?
mircea_popescu: first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups"
xmj: it's not an unexamined prior. it's a fact. read news.ycombinator.com.
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fluffypony: artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting
artifexd: It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work.
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artifexd: I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again.
danielpbarron: when i first started sending ascii armored blocks in gmail, they would alter some of it so it wasn't valid on the other end; sometimes because it would try to translate it, and sometimes it would just randomly remove a space or line return
danielpbarron: after i set the option "never try to translate this" it seems to work every time
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artifexd: I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location.
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mircea_popescu: anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue.
mircea_popescu: this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart.
mircea_popescu: and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york.
mircea_popescu: second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly counter to what a startup is even for. this is ibm think.
mircea_popescu: there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis.
mircea_popescu: oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't
mircea_popescu: and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't.
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mike_c: i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"
mike_c: drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it"
mircea_popescu: it;s not really intended for the comsumption of the etsy crowd.
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this
mircea_popescu: no but you see, that's who they are and what they do. what do you want ?
pankkake: i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee"
moiety: have tweeter been in touch with you mircea_popescu?
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pankkake: I believe it works the other way
mircea_popescu: i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task
moiety: i just realised smuxi has tweeter support and i have no idea how to use it
Mats_cd03: now i can use gpg on my chromebook
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moiety: i don't even know how you are still sane mircea_popescu, moving one person and two cats with very little stuff is.. well, I've had enough by this point lol
dub: crime stats in denver since they legalised weed
davout: mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina
mircea_popescu: davout, basically, it's romania of the 90s/ny of the 70s.
fluffypony: The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money
fluffypony: on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing).
davout: yeah, what was so cool about it?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended
fluffypony: davout: dancing in the streets but for free!
moiety: he wasn't here long, he said he would be back though.
davout: the first rule of the tautology club...
xmj: mircea_popescu: am I unignored now?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!!
xmj: ;;later tell mircea_popescu am I unignored now?
pankkake: I hope that one line was trolling
mircea_popescu: pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ?
mircea_popescu: just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta.
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mircea_popescu: moiety, well, i have women to drive nuts, so it keeps me sane. it's like a gift.
mircea_popescu: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars!
princessnell: mircea_popescu well there's a huge legal bubble in the us rite now
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ?
fluffypony: despite what u-sage usagi thinks, I'm clearly a shitty scammer
mircea_popescu: princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ?
princessnell: that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage.
mircea_popescu: but my point was not about the direct practical application
mircea_popescu: my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law.
mircea_popescu: granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it.
princessnell: "the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy
mircea_popescu: there's nobody aliv ein the us qualified to teach philosophy to any degree.
princessnell: "studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law"
mircea_popescu: math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union)
princessnell: point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs
mircea_popescu: i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free.
mircea_popescu: rent way cheaper than tuition, results way better than degree,
mircea_popescu: well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places.
mircea_popescu: how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying.
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mircea_popescu: math models are a lot easier to access, yes. not nearly as useful tho, not generally.
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princessnell: what is it about law itself that you think leads people to not fucking stupidity
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was a prefix to a thought ;)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason
Mats_cd03: reasoning from first principles and so forth
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin… i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D
princessnell: i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all.
mircea_popescu: yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so...
mircea_popescu: "BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million."
mircea_popescu: "and expects $210 million in revenue for this year, on $120 million in EBITDA, Mr. Kikvadze said"
mike_c: because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution << a maximum of two days
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mircea_popescu: mike_c, what i want to know is, if you ignore tax, interest, depreciaiton and everything else
mike_c: company parties are expensive.
mircea_popescu: its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ?
fluffypony: mike_c: Mining Equipment Present Value: $120mn. Mining Equipment Future Value: $120mn.
mike_c: well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess
mike_c: capex counts against income, no?
mircea_popescu: but it's not directly obvious how. who the fuck does wsj serve these days anyway ?
mircea_popescu: obviously not people with even 1 year's worth of cc business.
mike_c: you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo
mircea_popescu: i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from trilema.
mike_c: reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course)
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fluffypony: "IPO: want to raise half of bitcoins to ever exist. plz apply here."
mike_c: not to mention more than existed at the time.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today
mircea_popescu: it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc
mircea_popescu: seems a scary tight margin put in those terms, but who knows.
mircea_popescu: also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs
mike_c: well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things.
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mike_c: physical machines seem like a tangible asset
benkay: remember the conversation about the s.mg server?
mircea_popescu: a dream machine made out of a block of obsidian is tangible too ?
benkay: there was a minor dust-up over the semantics of renting v owning.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics.
mircea_popescu: they're just as tangible now than before, what are they worth ?
mircea_popescu: this seems to me to fly in the face of the ~fundamental~ point of tangibility
mircea_popescu: granted that the form of it favours your interpretation
mike_c: tangible assets are always overstated in value though
mircea_popescu: but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly.
benkay: i had a hilarious experience last night
benkay: some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit
benkay: opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS.
benkay: it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed.
benkay: then i bought from a pro. using laptops.
benkay: sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion
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mike_c: not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself.
benkay: some day my noodle will dry out
mircea_popescu: benkay, pretty much th estory of business since niniveh
benkay: <mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message
bitcoinpete: lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me
bitcoinpete: so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether
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bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics
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princessnell: chetty terrible. i need to gtfo like yesterday.
chetty: buenos aries is nice princessnell
princessnell: chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand.
benkay: i just learned about the doge "soak"
benkay: re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.'
mike_c: that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".
benkay: there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c
danielpbarron: i'd just make the homos their stupid cake and then tweet about how homosexuals should be stoned to death later that night
mike_c: and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work.
benkay: changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote
benkay: unless of course you're publishing prices
mike_c: meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.
benkay: but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out"
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mircea_popescu: <benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen"
mircea_popescu: led retarded kids with no negative feedback in a positive feedback loop
benkay: but the baker answers to a higher power
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mircea_popescu: which is why there should be no higher power than a baker
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danielpbarron: how can you even tell the cake is for a gay wedding? i'm guess it has two groom figurines on the top; is it against the law to have a rule that no cake may have two male figurines on top?
danielpbarron: or "the customer must buy the figurines separately and apply them himself"
TomServo: Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal?
Mats_cd03: that war chest needs about three more zeros to make a difference
mike_c: danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too?
mike_c: is discrimination illegal? generally, yes.
danielpbarron: how is that discrimination? the rule isn't no black customers; it's no black figurines
chetty: well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me
benkay: wait hang on i figured it out
benkay: "don't transact with the masses"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake.
mircea_popescu: which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination.
mike_c: danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.
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chetty: I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?'
moiety: ok moving time, see yous later!
Naphex: hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:)
danielpbarron: just to clarify, I don't have a problem with blacks, but so what? if you don't like that someone hates blacks then don't do business with them
danielpbarron: nobody is entitled to the service of having a wedding cake made for them
mike_c: "so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored.
mike_c: because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.
chetty: well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service'
davout: danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public
danielpbarron: mike_c, what does slavery have to do with hating blacks??
danielpbarron: mike_c, I am pro-slavery and I don't argue it from a racial point of view
davout: mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen
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Naphex: funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^
xmj: now i get shat on for describing reality. ffu
xmj: Naphex: troll someone else
danielpbarron: yeah, clubs in NYC turn you away for having the "wrong shoes" which some argue is vailed racism (they are basically saying, blacks don't have nice shoes)
xmj: Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary
davout: asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone
davout: asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing
benkay: go once, conform to rules, make friends, spend money, return wearing cap. no problems.
Naphex: see benkay knows how to infiltrate
davout: i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business
davout: asciilifeform: yes, designed by apple in california
chetty: davout, but thats the point, they do it to push agenda, not to get cake
mike_c: you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee.
xmj: infiltration is piece of cake :)
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?!
mike_c: well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black.
mircea_popescu: it's such nonsenbse this, that your particular meaning is somehow part of objects now.
mike_c: not part of objects, part of behavior.
mircea_popescu: every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf.
chetty: hey they can even draw new ones if they like, dont change the stars
mircea_popescu: if i make two paper figurines, one black, one red-white aqnd burn both
mircea_popescu: "behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully.
mike_c: some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me.
mike_c: perhaps this is inconsistent.
Naphex: well i hate people who hate animals
Naphex: and i act accordingly when i see people acting accordingly to hating animals
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? << there needn't be any other reason; is it my business or not?
mircea_popescu: it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display.
mircea_popescu: if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents
mike_c: so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.
mircea_popescu: at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet
mircea_popescu: quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things
mircea_popescu: mike_c, my point is that you can't pretend like meaning is immanent. it's not.
BingoBoingo: I thought she lost them, because they were holding her back
danielpbarron: why is racism always lumped in with hating homosexuals, and why is hating homosexuals lumped in with homophobia? I'm not afraid of them, lol
mike_c: but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.
mircea_popescu: so she's going to 4ever be remember as that nigger that didn't need em to have em :D
BingoBoingo: I mean she's now two wins away from the trophy or whatever the fuck they play over.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, seems a distinction devoid of difference, entirely made out of your own interest.
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chetty: why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything)
mircea_popescu: chetty, because you're insecure about your pile of unexamined groupthink items.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00085472 = 12.8208 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: because the lgbt movement isn't about rights; it's the opposite: it's about forcing acceptance on others
mike_c: 100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.
danielpbarron: "you better at least pretend to like gays.. OR ELSE."
mike_c: that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.
mike_c: sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too.
chetty: haha well if you live in DC rat killing is not allowed
mike_c: bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing.
mircea_popescu: anbd you get to decide which objects carry meanin and which don't and what it is ?
mike_c: what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything?
mike_c: "i'm not god, so whatever"
mike_c: sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.
mircea_popescu: god help us if i happen to think xmj is stupid and xmj happens to think i shouldn't happen to think that. what's that gonna yield, a law against thinking xmjs are stupi ? enacted by ycombinator ?
mircea_popescu: this is why there shouldn't be a greater power than a baker in the first placre.
xmj: what is wrong with mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM
mike_c: hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00085895 = 7.6876 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: not that far. i;m merely pointing at a certain bit of nonsense you seem to have accidentally swallowed
xmj: oh i do agree with that.
xmj: pankkake: i think mircea_popescu is stupid for thinking i'm stupid for describing reality as it is.
mircea_popescu: by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot
xmj: go work for a few venture capital-funded startups.
xmj: you'll see what i mean.
pankkake: it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create
Naphex: xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good
xmj: he thinks i'm describing a should-state
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Naphex: and thinking about your hardware always counts
Naphex: no matter what lean mean strategy you pull
Naphex: and also, storing private data on hypervisors you don't control
Naphex: so thats that with that argument
xmj: Naphex: case in point: all startups here in estonia i've heard of do not buy hardware but use aws/rackspace/...
Naphex: xmj: and that is in no way a good thing
Naphex: they may do that, they may thing its correct
xmj: AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
Naphex: +xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
Naphex: why not do everything yourself?
xmj: (now that's for smaller ones between 10 and 20 people)
chetty: I think I just got a new curse word - consensus
xmj: Naphex: because it's not part of the "core business" and you don't get seed-funded to do that.
xmj: in other words.. don't ask me
mike_c: xmj: what percentage of these companies fail?
Naphex: what do i care about their co's
Naphex: but don't just go about hosting bitcoins on vps's
Naphex: and tell customers they're secure
mike_c: most = what? > 90%? > 99%?
xmj: probably somewhere like that
xmj: i could pull numbers out of my ass
mike_c: so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology?
xmj: you might just as well read some techcrunch
xmj: mike_c: again, I'm not
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here << we'll get the cardano once b-a becomes boring
☟︎ xmj: mike_c: I describe what I see people doing without value judgment.
Naphex: one day a bored aws admin will grep for private keys :)
chetty now applying for admin job pls
Naphex: grep for walletpassphrase (*.)
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atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 47k@141 25k@141 100k@140
xmj: what could possibly go wrong haha
mircea_popescu: Naphex, you saw the earlier lines from asciilifeform ? bitcoin.zip etc
xmj: if you must back it up in teh cloud, at least use tarsnap.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, am i the only one old enough to remember the reason we don't use linode ?
mike_c: i remember the why, but not the who.
pankkake: I remember and I had 0 bitcoins at the time even
pankkake: another "wtf are those kids doing" moment
mike_c: the answer to everything is bitcoinica :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction" << it wasn't a conviction. more like "the sec spent 150k for bitcoin people to go "here's a dime go buy something nice for yourself and stfu""
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, nah you recall the breach when a linode emplooyee just ran off with th ewallets
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. << you think people should be free to commit acts of sodomy; I am *sure* I don't agree. Which one of our sensibilities is more valuable? My solution is: you enforce your anti-racist w/e on your property, and I'll enforce my anti-homo w/e on mine.
mircea_popescu: and linode first lied about it, then offered people a 1 month free coupon
pankkake: lol I didn't know about the employee and the coupon. golden
mike_c: danielpbarron: you own any apple products?
mircea_popescu: this was before wallets were encrypted by the reference client
Naphex: man people who host on vps will host their .bash_history and wallet code there as well
Naphex: encrypted will do no help
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Naphex: cause you can get they key
pankkake: if it's on a virtual instance, you can just inspect the memory
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> danielpbarron: you own any apple products? << ya; my iPhone is the first and last apple crap i'll ever buy
mike_c: good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook.
danielpbarron: mike_c, everyone is disgusting; I hate everyone. I wouldn't do business with anyone if that were my criteria
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, heh i'm not angry; it's Biblical hatred
danielpbarron: all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
diametric: is this guy for real, i can't recall that nick before.
mike_c: oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going.
mircea_popescu: i have 8 cabloes here, and im not even sure i got one for each case ;/
mircea_popescu: so fucking universal it could be an endangered species for its universality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02124 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;google Desert Eagle which is a .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated
☟︎ mike_c: ;;google desert eagle .50
mike_c: americans know how to find guns.
mike_c: don't call it small, you'll make it mad
fluffypony: mike_c: you'll be pleased to know that I'm sticking to my iPhone, and will probably be getting the iPhone 6 when it comes out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 201 @ 0.0037249 = 0.7487 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: this chan will be known in retrospect mostly by the abundance and insistence of heresy
mike_c: blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo.
fluffypony: in -otc: [19:47:39] ronkrt: Any investor types that would care to chat about a possible great investment op?
fluffypony: should I give him the support number and tell him he can phone to learn how to IPO?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No. But seems to be actual anti Rhinocerous weapon.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard << isn't this sexist ? shouldn't it be fatherboard ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0738486 = 0.2954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02108045 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures." << wtf that's a quote ?!
mircea_popescu: pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman << about as weird as bitcoingirl. kinda lulzy how female identity is constructed in th eeng;lish space
mircea_popescu: at least derpy guys understand that bitcoinman doesn't work, so they go for bitcoinjezuz instead
mircea_popescu: i guess since there are no famous or remarkable women in history, women can't do the same thing. wtf is bitcoinmarymagdalene.
mircea_popescu: and so that's the gripe with patriarchy : it gave it easy to guys. there we go, i now understand 4th wave feminism.
mircea_popescu: they're butthurt that guys can go "bitcoinjesus" but they have to go "bitcoingirl"
mike_c: only ever other season
mircea_popescu: what 20yo underfed white chick from milkaukee is going to indentify herself with a 60yo aretha franklin lookalike
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Arethra doesn't look Oprah bad
mircea_popescu: "I'm the owner Hedge Fund BTC list today in BitcoinBourse ticker HFB and Hedge Fund LTC list today in LitecoinInvest ticker HFLTC. Today BitcoinBourse change terms for merchants. I consider than are unacceptables."
mircea_popescu: (i;m an asshole, i can't tell most people apart. also i'm famous for thinking most women are blonde etc)
BingoBoingo: Wait, is dotcoin complaining about himself nao?
mike_c: nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features.
mike_c: then you got some of that blood in you somewhere
mircea_popescu: im sure some grandmother musta fucked a nigger at some point, what's this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00085615 = 14.1659 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no see, they'd have had to read to know that. like, books
mircea_popescu: If BitcoinBourse don't reconsiders her new maintenance fees perhaps we need to any of this:
Naphex: Bitcoin is money for internet. Internet money good. Buy some. Price go up. You spend. Everyone happy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00085239 = 34.7775 BTC [-]
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http://t.co/V9JrwDyGGe mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't have enough experience to recognise a symbian once it's been used by a progressive, i take it ?
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Naphex: on the value of bitcoin
Naphex: "the people made gold money, not the goverments"
Naphex: "and gold wouldn't have ever value if the people wouldn't have done that, but bitcoin has no value":o
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mircea_popescu: the people were invented in 1797 what the fuck is this bullshit, "the people"
Naphex: so much bull from that peter schiff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150001 = 0.5005 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30392 @ 0.00085196 = 25.8928 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: staring down the crowd
Naphex: i wonder all the people who think you don't exist or are some anon troll, who do they think you place on the header pictures?:)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.02128336 = 2.3412 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: alternatively, most of them can't read trilema because it is painful.
mike_c: trilema cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665766 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.1950481 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
mike_c: i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.195048 BTC [-]
Naphex: so.. if the difficulty adjusts itself to do sha256 for 10 minutes, isn't bitcoin backed by TIME?
Naphex: someone should give that to the presses to annoy all silver/gold/money bugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.194 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19850168 = 1.191 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: so yeah maybe proof of work is the future future
Naphex: how else can you pack 10 minutes of yard work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19383404 = 0.3877 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: nothing else more valuable
danielpbarron: 14:54:18 <+mircea_popescu> btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ? << i kinda miss the monopoly one, even though all the later ones have looked better an an aesthetic sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00085801 = 7.1532 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: a) it myust be 1024 wide ; b) i don't own the copyright
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0728399 = 0.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665809 BTC [+]
Naphex: i have a question, why is XRP volume so high
Naphex: specifically for Justcoin for example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665852 BTC [+]
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Naphex: no it was high before as well
mike_c: 24h volume is 16 btc, is that high?
mike_c: << knows little about ripple
Naphex: mike_c: their BTCEUR volume is 12
Naphex: and its consistently higher then BTCEUR
mike_c: mircea_popescu: fixed.
Naphex: i don't care about ripple, but kept noticing it and wondered if they pump the volume on exchanges that accept XRP or what
Naphex: i don't see much interest in xrp anyway and all the news i bet didn't help
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mircea_popescu: TomServo: wasn't there a wife too? << yeah lol. she wanted me to not condescend her.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all. << by george, nell got it exactly.
mircea_popescu: more consumers is pretty much the least needed thing, above more plastic containers even.
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pankkake: when shaved I have a tendency to attract the gay. hard fail on "little or no body hair, and no facial hair"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, "Maybe Goldman Sachs execs will be unemployed and busy holding an Occupy Bitcoin protest outside Andreas Tower."
fluffypony: right next to the Tsukino Usagi Center For Kids Who Can'T Backup Good And Want To Learn To Do Other Things Good Too
mircea_popescu: "Seriously? You should have taken those bastards to court. They have no jurisdiction. All you have done is pave the way for them to blackmail others in the future. I hope you're proud of yourself."
mircea_popescu: apparently not even reddit takes kindly to erik these days.
Naphex: Romanian Christmas lights
mircea_popescu: Naphex, romania had major ties to argentina, going all the way back to peron's days.
mircea_popescu: to this day you can see logan on the streets here (tho the renault assholes are branding it aqs renault not dacia)
mircea_popescu: many regulars got their little offering in that article.
pankkake: hm, penguirker is too dumb and speaks before it can
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pankkake: why can't we send steaks over the internet yet?
fluffypony: pankkake: you can, you just need Proof of Steak
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly the same as in the us, remarkably.
mircea_popescu: argentina is a country with twice the population and three times the gdp of romania.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's quite complex because of the multi layered social support systems htey use
mircea_popescu: commercial power from what i understand is about 4cents/kwh or so
mircea_popescu: jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers << you're trying to go back in time to 1995 so that you can work hard for 20 years, save a nd buy many bitcoin pizzas in 2010 ?
mircea_popescu: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60
mircea_popescu: didn't it just drop 60% ? what is this, stop and go miniung ?
mike_c: yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again.
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mircea_popescu: assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes << a good title for once.
atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 46k@141 25k@141 100k@140
mircea_popescu: mike_c, ah, this is actually +ev because it allows them to select when to mine huh
mircea_popescu: this behaviour should actually make atc trading very productive
BingoBoingo: Now everyone is going to give shitcoins max increase rools and long adjustment times.
Naphex: what is it with this youngin hackers. hacker got customer account, couldn't unlock it to send funds. decided to email support
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today. << whay not.
Naphex: to manually approve it
BingoBoingo: PC1 will have to resort to selling Doge pelts to the chinese
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because they didn't make it explicit
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 141 Ask: 170 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 203k High: 143 Low: 141 VWAP: 141
mircea_popescu: (this is arcana, but from what i understand no agency with enforcing capacity is allowed to mention specifically any company outside of the context of bringing charges)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote << it's pretty acurate. the guy should be here, invite him.
fluffypony: ;;later tell bitstein why isn't Daniel Krawisz on IRC? get him here!
mircea_popescu: moiety: ok i'll try and work it in << lol don't let these goons talk you into absolutely anything. you're a nice girl, but they need their spanking
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mike_c: ah. need to put a quarter on it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0008587 = 46.0263 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield << lawl.
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Mats_cd03: 14:26 <•pankkake> can you tell koreans apart?
mircea_popescu: jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups << word.
Apocalyptic: there was this "maladie de la vache folle" hype in french media a couple of years back
mircea_popescu: mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling << it is.
mircea_popescu: soon it will start controlloing the price of electricity.
chetty: Last of the original Navajo Code Talkers, Chester Nez, died today at 93
mircea_popescu: zee germanz never actually managed to figure out navajo did they
mircea_popescu: dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation << seems credible. some sort of fetishism.
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mircea_popescu: infinite hitpoints, as a property of the environment not of the idiots.
Naphex: omg, this scammer even contacted acount owner
Naphex: to try to get him to approve withdrawal
Naphex: telling him he works for Btcxchange
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0716 = 0.358 BTC [-]
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fluffypony: if your article on appcoins was an Instagram pic I would heart it or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02052 = 0.1642 BTC [-]
Daniel_Krawisz: I was the person quoted in the Forbes.com article on MaidSafeCoin if that's the quote you meant.
Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks, I loved your thingy about the critical theory doctorates who had to clean the bus with their tits. It reminded me of Rabelais.
fluffypony: Daniel_Krawisz: I'm not a MLP fan at all, I just got given this nick years and years ago and it stuck
Daniel_Krawisz: If I see text in red, does that mean only I can see it?
mircea_popescu: most clients can be configured to also ding when that happens
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: gotta make one of those, then you can auto voice yourself.
BingoBoingo: ;;google bitcoin-otc wiki registration guide
mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz, also, the entire length of endless discussion to date is to be found in
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BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It was a 1950's and 60's concept where incoming bombers would be brought down by short range nuclear missiles
fluffypony: ah, got excited about Nike's diversification program there for a moment
BingoBoingo: "The 14-acre site includes 3 underground concrete bunkers, each approximately 68’ x 76’ and 18’ deep with 10’10”+- ceiling clearance. The 3 bunkers have 9’6” x 53'8” elevator pads which are operational."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still, would be a nice "workshop" setup if the location was better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19300043 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Large underground workspace with elevator apparatus capable of lifing vehicles, the industrial uses are endless
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize. << wow that's an unexpected point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. << pretty much. a dangerous gambit, of course, as the world also goes about its business scarcely taking notice of their efforts.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also to the CoinDesks, it is the only one.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice << yeah, funny how that worked huh.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that << what did you expect'd happen ? a bureaucrat is perhaps the finest detector of who has the bigger stick in existence.
fluffypony: "I know most of you scoff at the idea of storing BTC on Coinbase, but I am not nearly as technologically inclined as most of you. Each storage suggestion I read looks to me like this:
fluffypony: 1. Download armory and Electrum and run armory from an offline underground bunker.
fluffypony: 2. double encrypt using Eorepadaeuium with 4 USB drives running Linux UEc.3f3.c2q1
fluffypony: 3. backup with Efekjwsf and wefkjlfe + qt and create a public key, private key, and semi-private key.
fluffypony: 4. print private key and public key, but not semi-private key. Laminate printed copies and store in a vault along with 3 of the 4 USB drives. But be sure not to run EFkjlwef foeropwerk.
fluffypony: 5. Use a submarine to bury the vault in the ocean.
fluffypony: 6. A hacker who is %1000 times smarter than you is watching your every move and will steal all your bitcoin if you slip up.
fluffypony: More near computer illiterate people like be are going to be buying BTC, and Coinbase seems like the safer and simpler option."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, i guess you just explained xapo's vp for asciilifeform too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a mega band thing with drums and butt shakings marching down the street
Naphex: so what language are you speaking over there though?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 109 @ 0.00208906 = 0.2277 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint. << i thought i had a bad reputation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We're going off of actual actions and not Jimmothy and CiuCiu retellings
mircea_popescu: i also wonder how long before i'll be the oldest guy in bitcoin, between people pulling the satoshi melt-in-mists trick on one hand and the 5years up to your room erik trick
mircea_popescu: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold. << ahahaha SPLASHWISE!
Naphex: depends on bitcoins growth
Naphex: the question is, how long before you stop recognizing everyone
Naphex: and its just a sea of scams
mircea_popescu: that can't happen, i have a whole department working on it.
mircea_popescu: nao if only the sec would be making more definite steps towards halping
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse. << 2003 iirc.
BingoBoingo: I thought settling with Erik over GLBSE shennanigans was helping, they have quite the backlog of stuff to catch up on... Gigavps, Thermos, et al..
mircea_popescu: mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" << nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography.
mike_c: c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, im not one to give last night's calves black eyes, but.... as you say, loing backlog.
BingoBoingo: I imagine a cycle stabilizing where MP shames securities scammer, SEC scoops them up months later.
BingoBoingo: Then in about 10 years the "community" notices this is a thing
Naphex: so why not turn that depratment and review into a service
Naphex: after 1 year sell seals :))
Apocalyptic: "nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography." wait
Apocalyptic: is this the question "is the discrete logarithm problem as hard as the factorization problem" ?
Naphex: same thing only condensed
Naphex: maybe as an experiment, who knows the benefit
mircea_popescu: the problem with commodization is that it destroys quality.
Naphex: picking out the good from the bad should be a skill everyone has, but that ain't gonna happen
mike_c: Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak.
mircea_popescu: in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be
Naphex: well you compress it, and let people act based on a rating
Naphex: they can optimize but have errors
Apocalyptic: mike_c, indeed, i'm talking in curves over GF(p), with p prime
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, Eric Bach wrote a paper about this
Apocalyptic: Bach proves: 1) If you can compute log. modulo $N$, you can factor $N$ 2) If you can factor $N$ and compute logs modulo each factor, then you can compute logs. modulo $N$
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, the question is more subtle than that. perhaps a better rendering would be "which of rsa, ec is more likely to have tiny pores we don't kjnow about"
mircea_popescu: none of these considerations are wide berth issues such as bach's.
Naphex: mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work.
mircea_popescu: yeah guy is making some serious inroads in post-btc journalism
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Apocalyptic: <Naphex> mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. // I concur
diametric: it boggles my mind xapo uses a 4 digit password.
diametric: it at least has 2FA for withdraw related activities
Apocalyptic: mircea, I see, my interpretation of "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" was different
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, "in the general case" versus "in any practical case"
diametric: fluffypony: yeah. xapo authentication is your email + 4 digit "pin"
diametric: 1234. 0000. 8008 is a classic as well.
diametric: i wonder if they implement captcha or ip banning on multiple failed attempts
diametric: or can i bruteforce this with a python script.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: pins & needles now << you are pushing your sacral vertebra into your pudendal nerve
Naphex: Apocalyptic: but isn't ECDH safe from shor's attack?
Naphex: from lets say quantum computers
Naphex: thats why you do ECDH to factorize instead of just EC
Naphex: must've missed th epoint
punkman: ECDSA is what btc uses, ECDH is another thing
Naphex: yeah sorry vertical reading sometimes fails
mircea_popescu: great way to become functionally identical to any woman.
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mircea_popescu: moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it << if the us weren't out of money, it would habve been.
mircea_popescu: fortunately bollywood couldn't care less about western nonsense
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mike_c: but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin does not practice safe sex and how to fix this pressing problem
mircea_popescu: it's also racist, privilegionist and anti-environmentalist.
mike_c: i think there's a t-shirt with the answer
mircea_popescu: how slender would she have to be to pour me drinks from under scotland's green pine tree
assbot: I did a world's first! ...hopefully :) : Bitcoin
punkman: that's a cheap hooker for amsterdam
mike_c: whoa, that could actually be a first
mike_c: including the part where he lost his virginity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1930326 = 0.7721 BTC [+] {2}
dub: 'i don't know how I can prove I was a virgin' - posting on reddit, uh
davout: paying for sex with bitcoin is ok as long as you're not done before the transaction has confirmed
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds
dub: next, the first double spent virginity?
davout: the average human is the exact opposite of bitcoin
davout: has to wait at least 20 minutes before he can double spend
davout: i'll find my way to the door
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513 = 0.1759 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
dub: 20 minutes is litecoin territory, theres at least 8 hours sleep between my blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32190 @ 0.00086016 = 27.6886 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0245 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 49 @ 0.0038 = 0.1862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
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punkman: davout, "It's too early to monetize, but when we do, it will probably be through ads or affiliate programs."
mike_c: oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people
davout: o so because affiliates
punkman: yeah because when you got a working gambling operation, you want to send people to other places
mike_c: maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00189152 = 0.2251 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: why is it that bitbet only does binary propositions?
punkman: tried the logs for previous discussion but couldn't locate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007202 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: so this bitbook guy is generating propositions automatically, and for some reason prefers to make N binary pools
mike_c: i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out.
punkman: how the fuck do you do parimutuel spread bets?
mike_c: same way.. just should be close to 50/50
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate << worth a shot.
punkman: mircea_popescu: so what's the mindfuck with multi bets? I feel more mindfucked by trying to find N related bets