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shinohai: Is this why I like Ada now?
BingoBoingo: I though you like them warm shinohai
shinohai: I'm an entrepreneur though .... I might one day have need for a few ded ones.
asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kise2/?raw=true << reminder, what it ate
asciilifeform: motherfucking disgrace.
asciilifeform: and this is on O2.
asciilifeform: ooh and guess what, pragma Inline_Always(...) arbitrarily ( in some % of cases, prolly based on size of subprogram ) has the effect of... take a guess
asciilifeform: ... pretty depressing, and just about obscene, you could just about fit msdos mega-game DIGGER.COM in the space taken by gcc's notion of ffa_mul_comba !
asciilifeform: also gotta love gnat's ~total inability to keep range checks out of inner loopage
asciilifeform: ( blows the pipeline -- snail speed )
shinohai: http://archive.is/Byh5w <<< Roger Ver, source of endless lulz
mircea_popescu: the part where the schmuck "bets" 25k btc...
mircea_popescu: patrick thompson is more of a tool for repeating that sorta nonsense than ver himself.
shinohai: Dear lord we need Qntra back.
shinohai: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ <<< I thought this was all of 'em
shinohai: "Rank 944" lmao
mircea_popescu: so apparently znort made a clean close of teh bitbet, neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends on which randos are telling the truth, which -- not, neh
asciilifeform: ~unknowable.
mircea_popescu: easy to prove he didn't.
asciilifeform: is it ?
asciilifeform: nm i see it
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: meanwhile asciilifeform found one of the culprits of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741492 horror : https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Validity-Checking.html#Validity-Checking☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 00:54 asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i had it set to max fascism. which explains why bounds of same item get checked again and again and again and...
asciilifeform: ... even of same params outside and then inside a funct call !
asciilifeform: who makes a compiler like this, and why, is anybody's guess. for all i know, we're the first folx ever to use gnat and at the same time give half a shit re speed.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone uses ~most anything.
asciilifeform: supposedly -- boeing uses.
BingoBoingo: That's not very comforting for someone about to spend ~3/4 of a day in 737-800's
BingoBoingo: But, drive's too long for this timeline and ticket is acquired
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is this yer first voyage out of monkeystan or wat
BingoBoingo: It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane.
asciilifeform: woah i had nfi.
BingoBoingo: Well, midwesterner.
asciilifeform: lol i thought midwestern meant having ~own~ plane!1
BingoBoingo: Poor child from poor family.
BingoBoingo: Lol, some have own planes but of the cloth and tentpoles variety. Then again driving is less of a burden when 1 minute of time in vehicle translates into at least one mile of forward movement.
asciilifeform: cloth an' stick sopwith -- quite respectable imho
BingoBoingo: Usually powered by lawnmower type Briggs/Kohler/Honda motor
asciilifeform: i saw one being flown in timişoara -- possibly literally a sopwith . buzzing the steeples.
BingoBoingo: "Airport" down the road even claims to host world "powered parachute" thing
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741039 << buenos viajes, señor BingoBoingo☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:30 BingoBoingo: Arrival in Montevideo arranged for Dec 6th, at same time as departing prior day.
BingoBoingo: The affair will be blogged.
mircea_popescu: this is adorable.
BingoBoingo will try to make it worth mp's generous funding
BingoBoingo: The reaction of fellows from the BingoBoingo store have been especially adorable
asciilifeform takes off hat , to BingoBoingo's courage
ben_vulpes: cheers, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: bon voyage, etc
mircea_popescu: everything gotta have a first time...
BingoBoingo: Aha, and in republic's state of necessity the dilemma is exactly http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#identifier_6_74280 EXCEPT having partaken of the logs since 2013 and having done so sober since 2015, there is no accident of innocence which could excuse not going
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
BingoBoingo: Typical conversation at BingoBoingo store since turning in notice: "Wait, where are you going?" "Uruguay" "Where are you going to be working" "The Internet" "Why the fuck is there any interest in you going there" "I have a very particular set of skills"
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: nb huh
BingoBoingo: One girl has been joking that I must be CIA which is lol, because I am exact opposite.
lobbes: <BingoBoingo> [04:33:27] It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane. << damn. btw, if yer sinuses are as bad as mine the final descent (~30 mins) is usually accompanied by intense ear pain/itching.
BingoBoingo: And to those who get more detail: "How do you know these people" "I've been doing writing and piece work for them off and on for some years, and now there's a need for more me"
lobbes: I use to fly 4 flights a week for about a year straight for a previous gig (granted all short hops within empire). After much experimentation, best method I found for this was: 1) pop a pseudoephedrine or two a coupla hours before descent 2) RESIST all urges to fiddle with ears 3) fuck chewing gum; try and get a yawn-cycle going
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds liek a movie script dunnit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's absolutely nothing easier to tell people than the truth
mircea_popescu: lobbes from what i hear blowjobs are >>> chewing gum.
lobbes: hue
BingoBoingo today did pick up one pair of shoes without steel toes, so can board aircraft
lobbes: what, tsa banning shoe classifications now?
BingoBoingo: Of all the chances to not take with an indeterminate machine, that seems like an easy one to avoid
BingoBoingo plans to pick up real shoes in Montevideo once real shoes are earned
mircea_popescu: gotta earn teh realshoes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could even pick up in buenos aires, at that place mircea_popescu mentioned in old thread
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta earn boat ride to Buenos Aires.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7904.0, vol: 11573.74144165 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7925.0, vol: 59779.65877938 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7933.0, vol: 3832.45561154 | Volume-weighted last average: 7922.17514786
ben_vulpes: in other abusive workplaces: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html
mircea_popescu: dude should be given a shotgun, free buckshot and free airplane fares.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740657 <<< hory shet☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 13:55 mircea_popescu: scroll down to where it says CTO : mike_c
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/biodiversidad-y-technodiversidad-no-mom/ << Trilema - Biodiversidad y technodiversidad. No mom.
mod6: ya, dafaq
ben_vulpes: why is this so surprising? he hasn't been involved in republican affairs since some time after wol wound down
ben_vulpes: the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can
ben_vulpes: also look at these fools smokin the cockchain: http://cloudmo.de/
BingoBoingo now needs to earn a winch stair
ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
ben_vulpes: whole thing devolves into 'i r wrote software and then the bad thing happened because of bad people!'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: look when there's actual even halfway sorta (((cryptocurrency))) involved, no responsible disclosure will ever happen
ben_vulpes: hilarious indictment of value of us citizen "information", "servers"
ben_vulpes: bullshit made up deliberately hamstrung cryptocurrencies it turns out are way better than anything dear usg has to offer
ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
BingoBoingo: Still, if buying into the IRA/401k dream, gotta go to Roth
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can << Hynenas of empires, slugs of ownbrain, particuly adorable yet hungry excretions from girl you've become fond of. Many hazards to republic
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <-- danke! will try it out later today.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: lol ben_vulpes . "the title of hyena of the empire and a cash prize of 500 botswanan pula is hereby bestowed upon joe schmoe."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741575 << https://archive.is/fhtuw teh cloudflare or teh bad gateway ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:06 ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
mircea_popescu: "Tether issuances have not been affected by this attack, and all Tether tokens remain fully backed by assets in the Tether reserve." lmao what TEH FUCK is this supposed to mean! they just announced that a) tether issuances have been affected and b) tether tokens no longer backed.
mircea_popescu: "oh you know what ? let's now STEAL THE HAVING STOLEN, too!!11". dorks.
mircea_popescu: "will provide further updates AS THEY become available". disavowal overdrive, what the fuck, THE UPDATES are the agent here ? they make themselves avaoilable like elliott's girlfriends ?
mircea_popescu: "rectify the situation in the best possible manner to everyone's benefit" in the sense of an everyone*, specially defined, niggers-fatties-and-jews=everyone* ?
mircea_popescu: this is america. 100%, 2017.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741581 << tis a point.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:13 ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741576 << this being, of course, why the "no updates" thing is such a thorn in the side of the fiatist mind. if we DID updates, (NO MATTER WHICH!!!! even if we only did the reasonable ones!) then there'd be the sort of ~continuity~ that's the paramount ingredient in socialist reconstructions of the world, whereby "progress" and "i can't understand what those women of like... more than 20 yea☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:07 ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
mircea_popescu: rs ago EVEN LIVED, what do you mean they had it way better than me."
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741375 <--> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mg2Q1/?raw=true same item applied upon w3m-0.5.3. warning: ./configure script is very-very hack-ish (read coad before trying out!). libjs comes from 'NJS interpreter', compiles and runs. unfortunately trilema fragments still don't get highlighted in my terminal (but if it does work for anyone else, do let me know).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 18:13 shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
spyked: I'll get back to the "working cli/tui js browser" problem later, back to adalisp for now.
mircea_popescu: le suck.
shinohai: Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident.
mircea_popescu: is this a bad thing ?
shinohai: No, it's fucking hilarious.
shinohai: But I'm not sure how BCH could be sent to addy on another network in the first place.
mircea_popescu: if they use the same address format...
mircea_popescu: correct statement is "dood sent bch to an address he didn't control that he came up with by copy/pasting something he didn't understant"
jurov: shinohai: yes, the addresses are the same, For Improved Headache.
jurov: also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
shinohai: Top minds
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/N6Kgi << ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
asciilifeform: 'we helped a user recover the coins by mining the tx without broadcasting it. can help others who need help'
asciilifeform: i.e. a segshitness magicked away by chinese 'for greater good'
mircea_popescu: aww
asciilifeform: ( in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741604 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 13:51 shinohai: Appears on r/buttcoin this morning someone sent 500k in btcrash to a segwit addy by accident.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, just what we said was gonna happen ?
mircea_popescu: basically, they had all the lohtron ready and oiled, sadly no sheep went that way, trying to get as much as possible out of its functionings anyway ?
mircea_popescu: AWWW!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-would-any-girl-want-to-be-a-slave/ << Trilema - Why would any girl want to be a slave ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a bit of difficulty wrapping head around this scene -- picture the convo, 'hey y'know what they'll luvvv?' 'i know! for transactions to be REVERSIBLE!11 by some chinese d00d!'
mircea_popescu: they're terrible at planning, if the constant strategic superiority saga wasn't suggesting it.
asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
mircea_popescu: unbeaten kids can't plan, is the truth of the matter. they get too wrapped up in their narcissistic desires and then before you know it newton sits down to discover the theory of how right they are.
asciilifeform: ( last i saw, there was a hefty bit )
mircea_popescu: a hefty bit of bytes , but dust
asciilifeform: and gotta luvv folx who see 'hefty bit of bytes, but dust' and then ask for proofier proof when presented with 'miners are wreckers'
mircea_popescu leaves http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712865 next to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741614 for... i'm not even sure, everyone capable of knowing knows and everyone who doesn't know is not gonna find out anymore than my stove is gonna learn a merry jig.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:08 rothbart: I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 14:32 asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
mircea_popescu: remember back when "mp invented miner conspiracy" ?
mircea_popescu: and can you believe the utter schmucktard still hasn't posted nude pics with appology scribbled in his own blood where his ballsac/eyes/etc used to be ?
asciilifeform: schmucktard, last i heard, was resting on a sofa made of whores in thailand
asciilifeform: and lacking for nothing
mircea_popescu: if your stupid head causes you to stumble, CUT IT FUCKING OFF! http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/ style!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have this very strange "man is entirely made of extrinsic motivation" outlook.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does the sofa enter into any discussion of morals ?
asciilifeform: in application to d00d who never showed any symptoms of intrinsic (i.e. theorems) -- yes
asciilifeform: afaik kako had nothing that could be confused for morals. took the thirty pieces of silver, and living it up.
asciilifeform: immediately when it was offered -- took.
asciilifeform: funnily and coincidentally, it was happening at exactly the same time as, far away, asciilifeform refused to take 'top seekrit' holy orders for usg 'contractor'
asciilifeform: but no, sofa does not enter discussion of morals other than in re 'the thirty pieces of silver, were in fact troo silver', evidently some quislings are paid handsomely, rather than left to flap on the wind esr-style
mircea_popescu: i've no way to evaluate all this.
asciilifeform: some people are only distinguished from 'short' pig in that they stand on two legs. and these in fact are made ~entirely of extrinsic motivation.
asciilifeform: morals are in fact what remains when there is nothing else with which to evaluate...
asciilifeform: i evaluated, thusly , that the man is a swine.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure which exact schmucktard we're talking of, there were a bunch.
asciilifeform: i immediately pictured kakobrekla, if it wasn't obvious
mircea_popescu: ah.
mircea_popescu: original comment applies equally well to the whole agitcamp.
mircea_popescu: public or private, what fucking difference does it make that you were wrong ~privately~ ? still wrong, still gotta fix etc.
asciilifeform: the segshitter's 'wrong' is deliberately crafted disinfo, for the consumption of redditards. why would they recant.
asciilifeform: they see it as 'noble lie' etc.
mircea_popescu: because wrong.
asciilifeform: 'even down's syndrome sufferers won't use a paypaltronic pseudobitcoin if offered naked, let's dress it up'
asciilifeform: in-house they certainly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798878 . betcha the sum of ~block rewards~ going into segshitness addrs to date is 0.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:38 asciilifeform: it went entirely like the tale of gorbachev and andropov
asciilifeform: ( is it even protocolically possible.. ? )
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 <<< http://segwit.5gbfree.com/countsegwit☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: pretty useless, no COIN SUMS
shinohai: hmmm
mircea_popescu: no NET coins.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares of sum as in a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense most of the conventional coin 'movement' is spamola.
asciilifeform: afaik to this day.
asciilifeform: not even speaking of shitnesses.
asciilifeform: virtually entire block mass for past... 3 ? yrs , is just about a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a+a.
asciilifeform: ever since the 'let's fill up the blox with liquishit and push 'scalingism'' agenda was cooked up.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/i-fucking-love-science-or-why-global-warming-wouldnt-produce-superhurricanes/#comment-123582 << in other breakfasrt physics
ben_vulpes: !!up cruciform
deedbot: cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever see "daisies", 1966 ?
cruciform: jurov: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171121/#124 - yes; sold mine recently @ HitBTC - very easy
scriba: Logged on 2017-11-21: [14:05:15] <jurov> also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
mircea_popescu: its on teh trilema.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/daisies/
ben_vulpes: dang
ben_vulpes: thanks
mircea_popescu: cruciform gotta expose bitcoin addresses neh
cruciform: mircea_popescu: yea; the exchange doesn't ID you though
mircea_popescu: right. when was the cutoff date for this one ?
cruciform: 23rd Oct
mircea_popescu: lol k.
pete_dushenski: cruciform: which btg wallet did you use ?
cruciform: their fork of the Core node from https://bitcoingold.org/downloads/
pete_dushenski: aha
cruciform: pete_dushenski: thanks for your BCH article, btw - got me off the couch
pete_dushenski: happy to help motivate
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Gold Core is a full Bitcoin Gold client and builds the backbone of the network. It offers high levels of security, privacy, and stability. However, it has fewer features and it takes a lot of space and memory.
pete_dushenski: "
pete_dushenski: however!!1
cruciform: there's already been a hack via the online sweeper they posted on their site
cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
pete_dushenski: lol ya that's what i heard too
cruciform: at the least the scams are rapidly diminishing in SFYL damage to noobs: BCH > BTG > http://supersmartbitcoin.com/
cruciform: "Lightening Network
cruciform: "Lightening Network" (TM)
mircea_popescu: enlightening network.
mircea_popescu: !!key cruciform
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/4E18288CAA6A98F4C51066053B6F4A8387D54AC6.asc
mircea_popescu: !!rated cruciform
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated cruciform.
mircea_popescu: !!rate cruciform 1 Noob.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQhr6/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741698 <<< ahahahahaha this is a new level of dumb or wat☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 16:53 cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
asciilifeform: 'ismyprivkeyhacked.com'
cruciform: mircea_popescu: nothing prepared me for the brainrot of BTCtalk BTG official thread
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". << Quiero sus escalara de winch, no. Quiero mis escalera de winch, si.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: This happens. I see idea executed dangerously and poorly. Then "What if maintained and done better?" Often for many idiot things right means unreasonable, and then there is la escalara de winch.
mircea_popescu: winchalera
BingoBoingo: Ah, Como se dice esto!
ben_vulpes: semi-relatedly, i went to build an extension cord for my dryer, ~all the old women at the hardwarestoremegachain insisted that i simply could not do what i was going to do
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 30amp 220v cord dun come in 'extension' in usa, for the obvious reason that the cable dun come in real-copper and the socket dun come in non-chinese, ergo automatic fire hazard.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
asciilifeform: forget 'extension'.
asciilifeform: this is sorta the pasteurized milk thread again, in different light. 'can't have unmolested milk, because ~must~ have caged cows, and ergo unmolested milk will killya' etc
ben_vulpes: lol, precisely what i did
ben_vulpes: leprosy cheese on the shit sandwich of american products is that the dryer power cable was not trivially replaceable, had to be extended.
asciilifeform: why not replaceable ?
asciilifeform: typically it's attached to lug bolts under the cover
ben_vulpes: 'trivially', did not want to start gentooing dryers as well
ben_vulpes: when heater element goes, then, fine.
asciilifeform: 'trivially' in the sense where you dun need any higher tech than screwdriver
ben_vulpes: oh also receptacle is very high on the wall, extending made it a guaranteed fit, replacing woulda been tight borderline not-workable.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and move dryer, and and and all sorts of unknowns, vs just buy receptacle while also buying pigtail.
asciilifeform: ah then you've made the chinese cord for yerself, lol
ben_vulpes: well it's a rated pigtail, copper through and through
asciilifeform: socket more often the problem.
BingoBoingo: Socket or cable you spliced extension to.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741722 << this is the only correct approach.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
mircea_popescu: even "high quality" commercial couplings will heat up.
asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
asciilifeform: gnarly but within the bounds of the readable
asciilifeform: ( with inlinings, ~150 )
mod6: inline triples it 'eh
asciilifeform: somewhat unsurprisingly
asciilifeform: ( for max speed you want ~0 function calls at all, if possible, for so long as the thing still fits in cache )
asciilifeform: i will add that the bounds checking code , which we have because idjit pc arch , dwarfs the actual algos
mod6: you were saying as much yesterday iirc
asciilifeform: mod6: 'validity' check is a separate item
asciilifeform: and safe to switch off if (and only if) you can prove that there are at no point uninitialized variables read
asciilifeform: theoretically the same applies to other bounds checks, but the proof is a much trickier matter
asciilifeform: ( granted, it is not an ~impossible~ matter, as it would be if the proggy had been written in pointerlang. but merely ~difficult~. )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741053 << i'm not part of the amphetamine culture. i like to sleep☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:40 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 << i don't need to consider that, i grok metacircularity, i.e. there's no such thing as builtin symbols. bytecode or not is lateral to that point.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741280 << it doesn't, logotron necessarily has to interpret the nature of bytes (because the display layer is explicitly encoded). so the log collection and storage is 8 bit clean, but display makes assumpetions for rendering purpose. specifically i assume that log is utf8, but if utf8 decoder fails on line, i fall back to latin-1 (this is a traditional irc mechanism, details of which have been discussed)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:57 asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:21 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
phf: strings as lists of character is a schemist wankery anyway along the "our cpu uses church numerals!1"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740959 << i think i said that in logs before, but sexp is a poor data exchange format. read operation relies on current state of *readtable* and traditionally readtable is customized to specific operator needs. there's a default *readtable*, but it's too unconstrained to be used for deserialization of untrusted data, since it, for example, supports arbitrary code execution, circular structures, etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:15 mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething.
phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
asciilifeform: and wtf 'arbitrary code execution', you read it in a null environment
asciilifeform: whole thing quoted.
phf: asciilifeform: wut.
phf: (read-from-string "#.(format t \"hello, world~%\")")
phf: there's no such thing as a standard sexps. sure (foo "bar" 1.2) but #\abc or #x123 exist in the same realm as #.(...)
trinque: *read-eval* nil << not enough?
asciilifeform: i see 0 reason to have #. be bound when reading untrusted sexprs.
phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable*
asciilifeform: and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy
asciilifeform: i dun see what part of that is nonobvious
phf: as they say in russia, флаг в руки
asciilifeform: большому кораблю и карты в руки.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741765 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741774☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:57 asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 20:07 asciilifeform: and noshit gotta specify own format. using readtable with #. in it is lunacy
asciilifeform: could even formulate the very definition of a forum, as a set of folx who agree on a minimal readtable.
asciilifeform: ( which will not include #. because then all bets off. )
phf: also probably want to not have #s because that requires a state of the environment
phf: you also want to have a custom symbol reader, because reading cl::foo is going to explode with a "locked package" error
asciilifeform: wat's wrong with scheme-style simple state machine that knows when to cons a new cell , where symbol names begin/end, and which becomes the car/cdr .
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741764☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:56 phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
asciilifeform: this is more or less a given. what was the last heathen artifact that we found usable exactly as found? i can't recall even one
phf: tits
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu patches those!111
whaack: !!v BD54238F24F1EEA35BBB222E00527E4B8D5141BD47ABF118BC5C2023D0EE2DD5
deedbot: whaack rated ben_vulpes 2 << friendly and helpful republican with knowledge of the sewers of the web
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 << From my cursory understanding of the segwit system there's no way to know if coins are in a segwit address until it is spent. It is effectively of the nature where you must know x in h(x) for the coins to be spent, so a miner cannot snag the coins until the segwitter tries to spend.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer
ben_vulpes: > two attackers accessed a private GitHub coding site used by Uber software engineers and then used login credentials they obtained there to access data stored on an Amazon Web Services account that handled computing tasks for the company...Later, they emailed Uber asking for money.
ben_vulpes: there's yr rape, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/uber-concealed-cyberattack-that-exposed-57-million-people-s-data
shinohai: bwahahahaha
asciilifeform: pretty great.
ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years
ben_vulpes: fucking 'founders series' vehicle by a company trading on the public markets, give me a breka
ben_vulpes: break*
BingoBoingo has today acquired place to office through December $311 bezzel bucks and place to sleep $400 through December 26th.
asciilifeform: notbad.
BingoBoingo: Office comes with 24/7 access, lockable storage, and fiscal address acceptable for corporationing. All locations within 10 minute walk of building with rack.
ben_vulpes: very cool BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: in other uproariously hilarious things: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-advertising-discrimination-housing-race-sex-national-origin
ben_vulpes: facebook builds ad platforms that lets you target people based on skin color and income among a zillion other things, this is all great until people start advertising housing to whites
ben_vulpes: fuckin dying over here
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-24#1031629☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 03:47 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
asciilifeform: ( and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668189 , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-09#668203 , possibly elsewhere. )☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:48 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:51 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
asciilifeform: nobody would even contemplate paying the ludicrous 500k-1mil usd for a motherfucking cardboard box, other than at gunpoint.
asciilifeform: the gunpoint conveniently provided by usg's unofficial footsoldiers.
asciilifeform: 'Under its own policies, Facebook should have flagged these ads, and prevented the posting of some of them. Its failure to do so revives questions about whether the company is in compliance with federal fair housing rules, as well as about its ability and commitment to police discriminatory advertising on the world’s largest social network.' << ohnoez, plebes illicitly trying to practice freedom of association
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: i.e. the ultimate crime under the inca.
mircea_popescu: recall when they started bussing kids to school lest you know, family ties survive or some such
asciilifeform: aaha.
asciilifeform: and how the brahmins transfered their spawn to private schools the day prior.
mircea_popescu: i like how indignant screen gets. this IS window 6!!!
asciilifeform: lol