mircea_popescu: the purpose of trees, to hear the bromeliaceae tell it, is to one day support one! and in fact all life on earth evolves towards that peak of creation, a parasite plant of little notice.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely consider the fact that the politbureau did not customarily seek to include the general opinion of the populace. not exactly socialism, this, is it ?

mircea_popescu: the chinese pretend themselves communists, but really... the us is more advanced on the socialist path than they are.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but at least the usian populace gets to pick which butt to be pictured bare.

mircea_popescu: the soviets had no equivalent input in the workings of pravda.

mircea_popescu: you personally ? well no, that's not teh socialist way.

mircea_popescu: there's metrics, yo.

mircea_popescu: this entire sign things stuff we do is exactly antisocialist.

mircea_popescu: joecool well, consider his early life. guy robbed banks and generally lived as an outlaw.

mircea_popescu: joecool on what grounds would you identify pre-1930 stalin as a socialist ?

mircea_popescu: wait a second. what part of the "you folks are like blind kittens" is socialist, iyo ?

mircea_popescu: "i know better than you lot, you lot are stupid, not least of all for being a lot in the first place".

mircea_popescu: does this sound a lot like socialism to you ?

mircea_popescu: he ran his government exactly like you'd expect a lifetime anarchist war hero to run a government.

mircea_popescu: broz tito did exactly the same thing.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i linked a youtube of a pirvulescu attack on ceausescu.

mircea_popescu: that was exactly "career socialist vs anarchist that overtook the party" moment.

mircea_popescu: undata not sure why anyone cares what Chris Plante & Arielle Duhaime-Ross have to say on any topic.

mircea_popescu: they're the reason nobody reads the verge.

mircea_popescu: except i don't. :)

mircea_popescu: * at that moment, undata was enlightened * lol

mircea_popescu: anyway, to be noted that the european space agency did it. the us relevancy, like the mass of the comet, withering away by the minute.

mircea_popescu recalls the eu space agency early on, such a risible attempt.

mircea_popescu: you know, back when the euro "didn't have a chance", and like the canadian dollar, traded under the usd.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's one for ya : a google for McIlroy produces a solid pages of derpage about some random kid playing golf.

mircea_popescu: i have a lot of sympathy for kids trying to piece together some shard of understanding out of isaiah berlin, rory mcilroy and ronald mcdonald.

mircea_popescu: moreso than for their parents, trying to do the same out of marx, ziggler, carnegey and whatever other fitness trainers and pop-philosophers the almanacs would print.

mircea_popescu: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/unix-nature.html << not bad, incidentally.

mircea_popescu: lol that bad is it ?

mircea_popescu: nuts

mircea_popescu: they've not actually made that claim, have they ?

mircea_popescu: other than gossip

mircea_popescu: clearly terrorist internet funbux then.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ that ?

mircea_popescu: o hey nice!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that anything needs a 1st signature to even be sumitted is not abad design decision

mircea_popescu: well yeah, obviously. right jurov ?

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: maybe he knew what he was doing ?

mircea_popescu: jurov incidentally, gimme the short version, how do i submit to this thing ?

mircea_popescu: ty

mircea_popescu: yeah did it just die ?

mircea_popescu: jurov specifically, is there any way for me to submit signature comments ?

mircea_popescu: "Recommended process is to pipe the signed message text directly to mailx or similar client without ambitions." ahahaha gotta love jurov.

mircea_popescu: jurov but suppose i wish to say "reviewed X part ; Y part outside of my comprehension". can not be done ?

mircea_popescu: so basically, the correct approach here would have been for ascii to make a patch for each individual diff ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but what if you communicating with me is impractical ? because say, you're dead.

mircea_popescu: jurov yes.

mircea_popescu: well no, because then all the history is lost.

mircea_popescu: and what of the 500 orher dead people that signed his ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: so for this reason, all patches must be mononuclear ?

mircea_popescu: so what happened to the suggestion ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his.

mircea_popescu: oops. jurov asciilifeform's.

mircea_popescu: anyway, even if they are all mononuclear, there's still semantic value to be had. suppose i wish to say "have read and understood this to do what it says ; have not tested it in fact".

mircea_popescu: should this be verboten, and all or nothing commitment upon signer ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you do appreciate the following point : up until and in any case unless one actually had to put his own signature, these matters never have been seriously considered by asnyone.

mircea_popescu: so in that sense, great progress.

mircea_popescu: jurov im not even sure it should be there.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically about patches to foss.

mircea_popescu: or for any other system where stuff can be changed / "contributed" by "nobody". but anyway, we digress.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do me the courtesy and resubmit as mono patches and then the new ones can win the longer sigchain race with the original one ?

mircea_popescu: 1 change per patch.

mircea_popescu: shit the hard questions you ask.

mircea_popescu: i dunno ;/

mircea_popescu: what should "one" mean in this fortran ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah.

mircea_popescu: jurov seems the site needs the extension of a "patch notes" clickable field ?

mircea_popescu: and similarly, signatures get a "sig notes" following them, like signed by 01ABFFC7(n) 02ABFFC7(n) etc

mircea_popescu: seems to me this'd resolve all outstanding problems.

mircea_popescu: as to the meaning ?

mircea_popescu: jurov sample code for mailx in the help file would help a great deal.

mircea_popescu: i know this from the mpex faq days.

mircea_popescu: jurov this handles the attachment scheme you wish to use ?

mircea_popescu: well if mailx doesn'tdo attachments then why do you suggest people use it to mail you attachments lol.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say this is progressing nicely.

mircea_popescu: lol if this cult thing catches on we can even have derpfessions. "have you derped my son ?"

mircea_popescu: there could be a new disease, the derpes...

mircea_popescu: as in, "kissing Arielle Duhaime-Ross will give you herpes, but reading her inanity in the verge will give you derpes"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, what ?!

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you mean derpes c++ ?

mircea_popescu: oic lol

mircea_popescu: ;;google wasn't me

mircea_popescu: odd

mircea_popescu: coding is like buttsex, can be enjoyable if well paced.

mircea_popescu: that's a myth.

mircea_popescu: i bet you you can't pikc out butt virgins in a line-up.

mircea_popescu: not unless the actual women open up.

mircea_popescu: prototype works, more stuff to be added.

mircea_popescu: why ?

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: maybe darcs should strip the trailing \n then ?

mircea_popescu: yup

mircea_popescu: nubbins` im pretty sure that's what it is.

mircea_popescu: !up hank_

mircea_popescu: the romanian epxression is, "perfidul albion"

mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing remarkable there. it's to be used like any other thing.

mircea_popescu: lawl

mircea_popescu: !s David Parker

mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, it's a fake name.

mircea_popescu: prolly the gaw dude himself.

mircea_popescu: "Charge based on letter by Frein calling for revolution" << :D

mircea_popescu: undata the funny part is, the us got so fucking raped in iraq it's hard to describe. now they want to go for round two ?

mircea_popescu: it's impractical, 2000s us could borrow the 50trn they used. 2015s us can not.

mircea_popescu: it's not inventory unless you can replace it.

mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : any sunk cruiser reduces the total count of cruisers the us will ever have by 1.

mircea_popescu: every downed plane is downed for good.

mircea_popescu: perpahs.

mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone has a direct interest in the welfare of the poor grunts involved, like loved ones or w/e :

mircea_popescu: the coming iraq campaign will be the first one the us soldiers will not have enough boots and shit. maybe best enlist for something else.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform flak jackets != boots.

mircea_popescu: yes, trhey were short materiel.

mircea_popescu: this time they will be short toilet paper and toothpaste.

mircea_popescu: wouldn't that come with a "no bibles please" ?

mircea_popescu: as in, too smooth for use.

mircea_popescu: should be funny to see when the first supposed army uniot goes native.

mircea_popescu: happened to the late romans a whole heck of a lot more than they ever cared to admit

mircea_popescu: in fact, it was the premier driver behind the eventual move to mercenaries, something otherwise politically incomprehensible for today's curious student.

mircea_popescu: but the politicos of the time were caught in the very real vice of "well, rome's poor or the vandals, about as trustworthy"

mircea_popescu: undata not for local women.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform every young man.

mircea_popescu: undata women are principally distinguished by a preference for the shit they know.

mircea_popescu: that's actually what womanhood MEANS.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. think about it : be the gods of their age group ? instead of going home to hear a stupid bitchfest, stay with the people where rape is something you're supposed to do ?

mircea_popescu: why were they in the army in the first place,. to police reddit ?

mircea_popescu: maybe.

mircea_popescu: notice that in a group of 100k idiots, you may end up with a subgroup of 100 or 10 idiots of any particular braindamage you wish.

mircea_popescu: i can readily see numerous angles through which retiring from the us military to baghdad rather than kansas is preferable to the 19 yo mind.

mircea_popescu: really, the lucky aspect for the us army officers is that the arabs don't bother to learn english. otherwise, the sheer cultural pressure would probably make "boots on ground" untenable.

mircea_popescu: it's already "desertion means leaving a world that you don't understand" and move to "desertion means joining a world you easily do"

mircea_popescu: lol why wouldn't they be ?!

mircea_popescu: icecream has been a part of rations since vietnam

mircea_popescu: something like that. woman previously married to some hard drinking bozo meets a phthisc young man who's a "student" whatever that may mean. the three quarrel, the kid ends up killing the man, talks the woman up a storm then... leaves ?

mircea_popescu: she's too horny to go to bed so she fucks a coupla passing bums, with disastrous effects.

mircea_popescu: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201191010256505546.html

mircea_popescu: somewhat related.

mircea_popescu: As far as I am aware, the phrase came into usage among knowing observers of the Vietnam War. A self-licking ice cream cone is a programme or policy that costs money and resources, generating a great deal of activity; produces indicators of its own success, preferably quantitative; but does not actually achieve its announced goals. Indeed, a proper self-licking cone undermines the very purposes for which it was created,

mircea_popescu: while at the same time sucking in ever more resources from worthy and effective activities.

mircea_popescu: More targets meant more bombing, and more bombing meant a bigger role for the USAF. The result was more budget, more planes, and career advancement for all concerned.

mircea_popescu: The only problem was that the bombing was helping lose the war. Predictably, the peasants turned against Saigon, leading to the introduction of US ground forces in 1965. Like the “body count”, the number of “structures” destroyed had no relation to actually winning the war. It was an indicator of organisational “success” wholly divorced from reality, and from the values that the organisation was supposed to

mircea_popescu: be serving. The USAF was killing the very peasants it was there to save from communism.

mircea_popescu: pretty much the story of iraq v1 and v2, for that matter.

mircea_popescu: a bureaucracy is history-less, in that it is incapable of learning from its mistakes, just like amoeba is incapable of learning writing.

mircea_popescu: it will follow the sugar gradient and that's all it does.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` how much did that run cost ?

mircea_popescu: o nm, it's not a book, it's a poster.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many sales is 7 bux ?

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: unless you actually self publish. asylum ended up costing about 1.40 per copy, printfiles -> distributor warehouse.

mircea_popescu: basically, everywhere guis are a racket.

mircea_popescu: when one approaches you with the proposition of "making things easy" what he means is, your wallet. easier to carry.

mircea_popescu: things that can be easy already are. things that aren't easy can't be made "easier". if you can't afford a house, taking credit doesn't make the house easier. etc.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o btw, does the end product of my first foray into that industry suck ?

mircea_popescu: i mean as a product. the thing itself.

mircea_popescu: teh item

mircea_popescu: i ask you for i suspect you've read books before.

mircea_popescu: (true story, gave one to woman, she's like "oh this is so nice, i've never read a book before!"

mircea_popescu: intending it as a sort of compliment i guess ?)

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pod sucked for a long time

mircea_popescu: by now it's maibe okish

mircea_popescu: "Would you drive across this bridge? No. If it somehow got built, everybody involved would be executed. Yet some version of this dynamic wrote every single program you have ever used, banking software, websites, and a ubiquitously used program that was supposed to protect information on the internet but didn't."

mircea_popescu: which is why i am so keen on executions.

mircea_popescu: cazalla let me guess, they sourced it and everything.

mircea_popescu: which is how they got the wrong year.

mircea_popescu: well, i guess this is a good point for anyone considering using Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP : don't.

mircea_popescu: they're too lazy to do their research and sprout nonsense in their pr. imagine the sort of horribru buried in their court filings

mircea_popescu: admitting anyone was to date naive enough to allow them to file on his behalf.

mircea_popescu: anyway, one of those fast food chains of legal practice. high churn, large staff of largely unqualified lawyers on dead end career tracks, whole thing kept together by paralegals, somewhat.

mircea_popescu: i'm awake because real cults don't sleep, they wait.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i meant was a distinction between self publishing, ie, being the editor, and self-rape, ie, being the customer of an editor specialised in raping idiots.

mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is exactly how hiring a lawyer has worked since at last the 60s

mircea_popescu: and how hiring a doctor is starting to be, too.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you summarily introduce "menu-lookup" writing of glue code for the innocent ?

mircea_popescu: "Is that a real program or is that something somebody wrote?" << ah yea, now this makes sense. i had the exact same notion, for exactly the same reason. a "real program" was something that didn't need to use the z80 basic interpreter, wasn't editable for this reason, and this immutability was cool. then on the msdos system, .exe binaries exactly mapped on this same structure of cool.

mircea_popescu: i loved deathtrack, and i spent a while finetuning the sound implementation of basic to make the same laser sound.

mircea_popescu: i think in the end i got it, and so i could fire as much as i wanted, no concern for bs "laser heating"

mircea_popescu: then i plugged a led into the serial port and had it blink when i lasered too, and this i think was the pinnacle of achievement.

mircea_popescu: imagine this, a 12 yo could figure out the serial port interface in ms-dos, without even knowing wtf a port or an interface are.

mircea_popescu: and with a led, mind, which only works on certain voltage going a certain way.

mircea_popescu: as it just so happens, that theory is about to get tested.

mircea_popescu: "Write a program that prints the numbers from 1 to 100. But for multiples of three print “Fizz” instead of the number and for the multiples of five print “Buzz”. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print “FizzBuzz”.

mircea_popescu: for i x to y output + Fizz if i|3 output + Buzz if i|5 output + i if output is empty.

mircea_popescu: do i pass ?

mircea_popescu: basically i got the idea from reading the piece that he means code that implements the "cut problem into parts, implement parts, glue parts together" approach

mircea_popescu: so dreamweaver is an example ?

mircea_popescu: adobe "autobuild your website" code

mircea_popescu: was famous before mullenderp raped poetry a new hole, because you could tell from all the <hea<he</head>ad>>> mess that it had been used.

mircea_popescu: now those people mostly use wordpress, with PLUGINS

mircea_popescu: then ben_vulpes is here going "hmm, where the fuck is this nonsense hardcoded in"

mircea_popescu: me too.

mircea_popescu: or what's left of one.

mircea_popescu: makes php better rhan c i guess

mircea_popescu: adobe's shit is written in c, nobody can be bothered to compule it

mircea_popescu: this was leaked in what, 2002 ?

mircea_popescu: cazalla lulzy quote.

mircea_popescu: will be funny reference in teh future.

mircea_popescu: !up cb_bitcoin

mircea_popescu: PeterL from bitdaytrade to whatever you want.

mircea_popescu: guy specialises in vouching for scams, he's a sort of max keiser for his space.

mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what ever happened to aurora coin ? has it passed ethereum yet ?

mircea_popescu: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."

mircea_popescu: heh. alternatively, just don't write dumbass ajax websites for monkeys. big fucking deal, srsly.

mircea_popescu: how is this an accusation ?

mircea_popescu: a ok, fraud.

mircea_popescu: In one instance, one of Rubin's relatives claimed weekly income of $200 to get Medicaid and food stamps while claiming a net worth of $10 million to banks in order to get $7 million in loans.

mircea_popescu: this is presented as contradictory, but it actually isn't.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think one can genuinely be both simultaenously in the us atm.

mircea_popescu: much like 1990 russian megacorps.

mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bip-65-revisiting-nlocktime/ << the problem with this is that if a miner doesn't implement the new protocol, and mines a block in spite of the supposed nlocktime lock, that block is well spent.

mircea_popescu: so a softfork does not in fact do anything, the dblspending party can just mine their own dblspend and that's that.

mircea_popescu: Proving sacrifice to miners' fees

mircea_popescu: Proving the sacrifice of some limited resource is a common technique in a variety of cryptographic protocols. Proving sacrifices of coins to mining fees has been proposed as a universal public good to which the sacrifice could be directed, rather than simply destroying the coins. However doing so is non-trivial, and even the best existing technqiue - announce-commit sacrifices - could encourage mining centralization. C

mircea_popescu: HECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can be used to create outputs that are provably spendable by anyone (thus to mining fees assuming miners behave optimally and rationally) but only at a time sufficiently far into the future that large miners profitably can't sell the sacrifices at a discount.

mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the most braindamaged nonsense i read today.

mircea_popescu: desperately needs more "expert" economists and whatnot.

mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Actual soft for yes, but "if all the miners accept" softfork is a hardfork << "all miners accept" means what ?

mircea_popescu: until a new miner joins ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only workls for as long as they actually do.

mircea_popescu: tomorrow large miner joins, doesn't implement it, they hardfork all they want, chainwarz.

mircea_popescu: peppering this sort of nonsense in the code is a prime way to ensure the rough equivalent of "atomic weapons" for future negotiations.

mircea_popescu: "give us your daugther or we fork it" sort of bs.

mircea_popescu: "It all traces back to the fact that the academy did not police itself properly. They gave, or through their inaction/laziness allowed to get, this guy and his (retarded) output the mantle of ‘expertise’. If the bad PR spilling off of him now redounds back onto other academicians in his peer group I understand that will be unfair in some cases but they have only themselves to blame."

mircea_popescu: it is not unfair in any case.

mircea_popescu: they should all hang for his sins. he may get off with prison, being just a fraud

mircea_popescu: but the actual professionals should hang, by their own guts.

mircea_popescu: "Seriously, I bet the ‘model’ is some kind of gunky spreadsheet. Or something little better, anyway. A mishmash of data being shoved together to reach predetermined conclusions, with tons of ad hoc assumptions. " << sounds like exactly dub's brew :D

mircea_popescu: but hey, who's to argue with the politico-experts, right ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, all the more reasons to have a proper, functional implementation of the canonical bitcoin code

mircea_popescu: for all these idiots to fall back on once the shit hits the fan.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile they can all hold hands with the canada chick and chant how "bitcoin is not coming and not posing a risk"

mircea_popescu: noably, romania's president announced in 2009 that "criza financiara va ocoli romania"

mircea_popescu: literally, the crisis will go around romania.

mircea_popescu: w/e her name is.

mircea_popescu: was on qntra earlier, which is the only reason she's notable.

mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bank-of-canada-bitcoin-poses-no-risk-but-well-watch-it-closely-anyway/

mircea_popescu: Carolyn Wilkins

mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe

mircea_popescu: decimation that's pretty meta...

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah seems to be revving up nicely.

mircea_popescu: decimation depends. can he do it on your 0.1% ?

mircea_popescu: the major point about low taxes is that it makes the pot of the public treasury too small to hold the estimation of the conman

mircea_popescu: and so the conman moves to try adn con private interest.

mircea_popescu: whereas when taxes are significant, the opposite happens.

mircea_popescu: but in general : it is good that any one person steals any one sum from the usg.

mircea_popescu: this is dead money being returned to live hands.

mircea_popescu: the word for this is "idiots"

mircea_popescu: in general, the country suffers when taxes are paid, and gains through graft.

mircea_popescu: great actually

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/

mircea_popescu: PeterL also could you make it so only say first 100 words of a post appear ?

mircea_popescu: decimation soooooo

mircea_popescu: fizzbuzz test is supposed to catch 99.5% of "programmers" too neh ?

mircea_popescu: nobody ever criticised it for this.

mircea_popescu: PeterL fixed max helps the skim reader

mircea_popescu asking for a friend.

mircea_popescu: lol ben_vulpes the post is the feed eh ?

mircea_popescu: i dunno, and nope.

mircea_popescu: not in the past 6 months at least, no.

mircea_popescu: bout 5-6 years ago i had an actual major portal site, dtng (the 4chan clone) was on it, also fain (a romanian digg) and my blog and a bunch of other shit

mircea_popescu: at the time i had a full complement of php coder guru types, threw in "make me a better wp" in a worklist once and well...

mircea_popescu: dja mean anathema ?

mircea_popescu: how did that quote go

mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."

mircea_popescu: same shit, so foss starts, great, get rhel to be a pentagon contractor.

mircea_popescu: not because you want to use their code

mircea_popescu: but specifically because you do not want to.

mircea_popescu: soon enough...

mircea_popescu: the exact sort of thing that would render a us expeditionary force if the arabs but spoke english, is the exact thing that renders the "well meaning" idiots you mentioned earlier

mircea_popescu: because the bureaucracy DOES speak english.

mircea_popescu: it would have been, if someone added bitcoin to pgp

mircea_popescu: and pushed the holy trifecta through

mircea_popescu: but who ?

mircea_popescu: people tend to be very laudative of the people that were smart, at any juncture

mircea_popescu: nobody ever goes "you shitfaces, THIS opportunity you missed. all of you."

mircea_popescu: well, except for terrorist me, of course, in a piece about romania's 80s generation. but that's besides the point.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's not happenstance. that shit will happen again and again because it happened for fundamental reasons.

mircea_popescu: stan's fork will win the bitcoin through the same interplay of the same cosmic forces.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo larger problem : men don't generally get that they have the god fucking given right to say "fuck you and get lost"

mircea_popescu: "door's that way" and variations thereof.

mircea_popescu: prolly because only trolls and terrorists do that or something.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this millenium, nobody actually saw. perhaps an excusable oversight, but still ridoinculous.

mircea_popescu: bitcoin + pgp + foss would have been a much better alternative past than fucktarded "flower power"

mircea_popescu: decimation that passion could have served a smarter man better you know ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, no point crying over the mud-like stupidity of our parents.

mircea_popescu: fuck them, move on, plenty of time left in the future to do important shit.

mircea_popescu: http://jim.com/ << the page of the author of the prev quote, one James A. Donald

mircea_popescu: (with http://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/reign.html )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: real reason: it is an extraordinarily expensive, multi-generational project to keep the entire field from developing. <<< what sense does that make ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they don't have endemic brucellosis in the us anymore do they ?!

mircea_popescu: maybe it's from the us weapons stockpile.

mircea_popescu: that's a thing nixon is never remembered for, ending the biological warfare stockpiles.

mircea_popescu: hadn't he done so, you'd probably have heard spineless gonzalez, bharara et all argue for the legitimacy of their use.

mircea_popescu: anyway, romania is a few of the european states that never had it. along with, iirc, switzerland.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: RetroUpriser: Generally in a steak if there was a pathogen of conern you'd see/smell the abcess and wonder then the cow got into a knife fight << nah, most of the stuff youi can get that way you don't see.

mircea_popescu: trichinella is a fucking worm you still won't likely see it.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: beef is safer than most meats, but still. you dun see the stuff.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: On the otherhand it isn't the slightest bit unbelievable for a dairy cow to drag its titties through cow shit <<< im pretty sure nobody milks unwashed anymore.

mircea_popescu: for decades now.

mircea_popescu: look at that, nif claims it actually went energy-positive last year

mircea_popescu: i had nfi.

mircea_popescu: how much is it now ?

mircea_popescu: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192126-lockheed-says-itll-make-a-truck-sized-fusion-reactor-within-10-years << and from the bold claims department...

mircea_popescu: he reduced size — just 10 feet by 7 feet — will allow Lockheed to “design, build, and test the CFR in less than a year.”

mircea_popescu: how the fuck is a miniaturized version easier is beyond me.

mircea_popescu: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline

mircea_popescu: no shortage of bold claims it seesm

mircea_popescu: something on the magnitude order of getting fusion to work is pretty much the only way out of the slump for teh west.

mircea_popescu: maybe.

mircea_popescu: lots of free money may help there.

mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/auroracoin/comments/2icorq/what_killed_auroracoin/ << lolok.

mircea_popescu: and since we're doing the internet sewer, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/definitive-proof-that-satoshi-nakamoto-is-james-a-donald.320588/

mircea_popescu: nothing much.

mircea_popescu: his cover being inadvertently blown, he retired.

mircea_popescu: so what do you do ?

mircea_popescu: where ?

mircea_popescu: no i mean, realtor where.

mircea_popescu: ;;rate dgeats 1 CA realtor, he says.

mircea_popescu: dgeats pm assbot !up

mircea_popescu: dgeats they are bizarre at best.

mircea_popescu: i wrote a little about the nuttery of it, back in romanian days. lemme see if i can find it.

mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/AgUhmsB1

mircea_popescu: apparently i wrote a lot.

mircea_popescu: :p

mircea_popescu: remains an enigma

mircea_popescu: well yeah ?

mircea_popescu: ;)

mircea_popescu: Naphex im sure "customers" and "experts" will both listen to your #1 and #2 above, yeah.

mircea_popescu: they tend to read and understand, it's what they do. not like "why should i even bother with the wot" an' stuff.

mircea_popescu: or any thinking.

mircea_popescu: yeah, see, you should have had "real brick and mortar stores" in cyprus.

mircea_popescu: much better than europe's highest per capita gold reserve country o.O

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: no scoopbot huh

mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/ << shit, ers had a blog ?

mircea_popescu: all these years ?!

mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4781 and it's really good, too. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: !up pirateoftheapes

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah im sure lol.

mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344589/-Bitcoin-may-be-worth-1-million-says-Pal

mircea_popescu: dailykos, it doesn't do equations, they're racist.

mircea_popescu: http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/ < i dunno if this lulz was here.

mircea_popescu: cazalla: so.. is qntra down for others? << uh i just looked at it.

mircea_popescu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-trader-biz-let-bitcoin-trader-earn-money/ << lawl.

mircea_popescu: how you reason ?

mircea_popescu: jurov: what does he want from aussies? <<< russia needs military bases overseas like kim kardashian needs horsecock.

mircea_popescu: Bitcoin software does not appear to be vetted to such an extend. << the english-t to d migration is soooo indicative of a native romanian speaker you can't imagine.

mircea_popescu: is it ?

mircea_popescu: i've not commonly seen it outside of ro hack-kiddies speaking english

mircea_popescu: or for that matter, my own output lol.

mircea_popescu: davout: disabling all CSS would be fine << he has a point there, just de-css-ify it for mobile, will be fine.

mircea_popescu: most mobile platforms have spent more money on making their thing work on unstyled websites than we ever will on qntra.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about, as one gets tired stuff starts to mutate.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just between you and me and nobody else : i very much doubt the average j user actually has the mental acumen to correctly understand the actual effects of recursive transforms available to them, wavelets or no wavelets.

mircea_popescu: you think coders are bad, just wait till you see mathematicians apply automated processes to statistical samples.

mircea_popescu: a few...

mircea_popescu: well no

mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, it's the common step away from excel

mircea_popescu: once people crash their system trying to load 1mn cells for the 1kth time

mircea_popescu: does it work on windows ?

mircea_popescu: apparently. well then i dunno.

mircea_popescu: jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks interesting again <<< it does, esp the week view. o.O look at that.

mircea_popescu: who;s this guy again ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true tho. you familiar witrh playing pokler at all ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh oh. mkay.

mircea_popescu: do you know what meta coincepts are, like "playing loose" or "tight" ?

mircea_popescu: now, thinking obviously has nothing to do with poker

mircea_popescu: persuasion, however, is exactly that, poker reskinned.

mircea_popescu: the most significant error of judgement made by experts as far as i've seen yet is

mircea_popescu: when confronted with an inept player they loosen up their game

mircea_popescu: this is so idiotic as to defy sufficient expression.

mircea_popescu: the #1 reason it is idiotic is that the inept player may actually and usually does notice the loosening, and takes this as a honest signal that the expert is bluffing

mircea_popescu: on the, bluffs here, bluffs everywhere heuristic

mircea_popescu: the #2 reason it is idiotic is that discussion has remanence, poker hands do not. expert 30 years in has a fucking string of noted down examples of having done this, people with an ideologic interest can use to strangle him with

mircea_popescu: this is something a politician is keenly aware of, but since the expert's brain actually functions, he's no politician.

mircea_popescu: yup.

mircea_popescu: "gotta play the audience" means exactly that.

mircea_popescu: being a physicist doesn't make one immune, only diffusion makes one immune.

mircea_popescu: i suppose this also wraps right back up into wavelets lol.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he was an engineer.

mircea_popescu: this is the definition of an engineer.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i diun get it, who would be opposed to cold fusion and why ?

mircea_popescu: los_pantalones can i buy any ws puts off you btw ?

mircea_popescu: i guess...

mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe im unbecomingly naive, but to my eyes cold fusion working is an event of such magnitude, it'd trigger an Auld Lang Syne moment.

mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well for lack of a mm actually.

mircea_popescu: ifsomeone wanted to manage a portofolio of ws shortness for btc, it'd prolly rock.

mircea_popescu: !up cypherc

mircea_popescu: maybe.

mircea_popescu: except free enerngy is quite unlike bitcoin.

mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 only ~50%.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, cold fusion would actually make the "local production" stuff that link earlier was harping about a reality.

mircea_popescu: it's the one card out that could save teh current usg / societal structure.

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine anyone'd manage to supress it if it could work.

mircea_popescu: i dunno.

mircea_popescu: maybe. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: Lightoller is a particularly bad example, by the way.

mircea_popescu: his decisions were correct on the deck.

mircea_popescu: a ship is sinking is undisputably the worst time to be going out doing "research".

mircea_popescu: the fundamntal understanding of this is illustrated by the case made for giving people tenure and shit. research is an activity of the safe, which is why prisons and other emperor of the flies situations aren't conducive to proving the fermat conjecture.

mircea_popescu: when a ship is sinking, the officer is to do EXACTLY what's done.

mircea_popescu: ah like that.

mircea_popescu: mebbe.

mircea_popescu: i don't think they understood ice will crush the ship, tbh.

mircea_popescu: they thought they had built the lenin

mircea_popescu: why do you think lol.

mircea_popescu: let me model why : if i'm in that situation and you ask me that, i'ma in typical style go "wel lfrankly, i didn't believe that ice can crush steel. sue me."

mircea_popescu: so they'd hang me.

mircea_popescu: that means either i don't have kids or my kids don't do so well.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, l goes "well...derp"

mircea_popescu: did they hang him ?

mircea_popescu: so therefore!

mircea_popescu: maybe they knew better, hard to know what individuals knew or thought. but imo, they honestl ybelieved ice is now butter, because forward britannia!

mircea_popescu: Adlai terrorism. one degree of separation.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, that boer war fort thing ? lol!

mircea_popescu: lightoller, back during his time in the navy, was on a ship visiting south africa during the boer war

mircea_popescu: got out in the night, put the boer flag on the local fort, filled a cannon with a blank shot and a long fuse and well...

mircea_popescu: gave the locals a start.

mircea_popescu: this has been reported sporadically since 2012

mircea_popescu: iirc that's when the first windows wallet stealer trojan was reported.

mircea_popescu: back then it was a big deal, wallets being unencrypted.

mircea_popescu: i dunno how win forensics work

mircea_popescu: so then there's nothing remarkable here.

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> well the only remarkable thing is that, with the profusion of winblows users, coins are not yet wandering off into usg wallets en masse. <<< reddit is not, contrary to what it tells itself, relevant to bitcoin

mircea_popescu: 99% of bitcoin users, according to what people think, use windows.

mircea_popescu: 99% of bitcoin belongs to the remaining 1%

mircea_popescu: in short, there's a very deep valley between "windows user who thinks himself into bitcoin because he recognises the term" and "bitcoin user".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jeffidiocy manages to keep idiots with benefits away from bitcoin altogether.

mircea_popescu: i tell you, the anthropology of this thing has been an endless source of fascination to me

mircea_popescu: it's almost like watching a cell react in an infection, all sorts of bizarro mechanisms that you don't even dare declare exist seem to work in werido ways.

mircea_popescu: maybe. doubt it.

mircea_popescu: yeah, but see that it actually "serves", depending how you put the goals on the table

mircea_popescu: anyway, to quote a bronx tale :

mircea_popescu: Come over here. Sit next to me. You must be pretty upset after the Yankees lost.

mircea_popescu: Bill Mazeroski, I hate him. He made Mickey Mantle cry. The papers said the Mick cried.

mircea_popescu: Mickey Mantle? That's what you're upset about? Mantle makes $ a year. How much does your father make?

mircea_popescu: I don't know.

mircea_popescu: You don't know. If your dad needs money, go ask Mickey Mantle. See what happens. Mickey Mantle don't care about you. Why care about him? Nobody cares.

mircea_popescu: the way people today construct their mental representations of groups and belonging is nothing short of mindblowing.

mircea_popescu: i mean, it used to be the case for children. but biological adults today are psychologically infantile, and this is by very far the most obvious effect.

mircea_popescu: what's that mean ?

mircea_popescu: at least in our classical understanding thereof.

mircea_popescu: xanthyos the bizarre part is that they somehow manage to seek it in imagination.

mircea_popescu: pretty much the only tech left that works in the english speaking world is the tech that manipulates this at first view pathological "one way belonging" thing.

mircea_popescu: i guess we could call it "marketing" for lack of terminology.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/ << amusingly enough, it's mostly NOT government issue.

mircea_popescu: in fact, the usg seems moreover its prey than anything.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you think they make duck tape ?

mircea_popescu: polymerized duck galactose.

mircea_popescu: romania has "chicken milk", http://www.culinar.ro/retete/dulciuri/creme/lapte-de-pasare-iese-sigur/46/2/6925/

mircea_popescu: prolly.

mircea_popescu: lol your percentile language

mircea_popescu: ow shit that LOOKS like excellent chocolate.

mircea_popescu: exactly the right sheen. damn you stanislav!

mircea_popescu: ;;ud juggalo

mircea_popescu: some sort of insane clown o nm that's what icp means huh

mircea_popescu: sorta glam-punk offshot thing

mircea_popescu: dude, topless chicks being a big deal, you already know you must be in ameristan

mircea_popescu: im not even sure whats more ridiculous, the rednecks or the mainstream.

mircea_popescu: cazalla lol they di what they can

mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 it didn't take this long, that tor was routinely compromised was an open secret.

mircea_popescu: course, when i said so last year the derps went on derping, but why would the derps count here.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something tells me i won't be getting the "mp's blog, first place to announce tor is shit, a year or so ago" all over the "tech" "press". just like i didn't get the "mp forces wikileaks to release unedited cables by publishing the romanian subset" a few years back

mircea_popescu: because why report, right, there's all these fucktards that need to wonder "what mainstream nobody agrees with mp", as if that's the fucking criteria nao, we vote for knowledge.

mircea_popescu: myeah. and this matters, because the non-wot world is like, totally a world and anything, and what happens outside of b-a ctually happens, and non-notarized documents actually carry weight and everything

mircea_popescu: trust teh power of dreamz!

mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the best of all worlds, tbh. i'd get really pissy in short order if reddit actually knew what's what

mircea_popescu: and i couldn't get out of bed without 5000 "hey mp, what do you think of this toaster" "is bitcoin going up i must know because of my 0.05 btcent investment!"

mircea_popescu: if this is true, how did they come to the conclusion women dislike being raped ?

mircea_popescu: not that it's false, but they're not women. so... how ?

mircea_popescu: that's learning no ?

mircea_popescu: very much doubt it.

mircea_popescu: imo, they're 4th level learners. will not learn from thought ; nor from other

mircea_popescu: s experience, nor from their own.

mircea_popescu: will ONLY learn from fiction, inasmuch as they find a way to link it to their own fiction.

mircea_popescu: basically, to teach a muppet something you must construct a literary work which jives with the preexisting dreamworld he inhabits

mircea_popescu: which is how they all "learned" all about mordor.

mircea_popescu: they don't know how to compute whether x option ios better than y option in any situation, but they do know you don't just walk into mordor

mircea_popescu: of course it does, but so ? energy states in a semiconductor also conflict, in the abstract

mircea_popescu: what's that do for any cell ?

mircea_popescu: where ?

mircea_popescu: lmao the title promises

mircea_popescu: ew

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: 'It follows that he cannot know that certain people at certain times do not understand in Parry-or Eliza-like ways. That is to say, he has no way of knowing that we do not ourselves sometimes function by means of "clever tricks".' actually, i will go as far as to say that it is always certainly the case understanding happens through "clever tricks"

mircea_popescu: it is NEVER the case anyone ever understood anything whatsoever in any case at any point in human history

mircea_popescu: [self]delusion to the contrary notwithstanding.

mircea_popescu: is he ?

mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i mean.

mircea_popescu: go right ahead, but what else do you bring ?

mircea_popescu: let us not discuss this in terms of understanding, something we care about. let us instead discuss in terms of love, something we don't care about.

mircea_popescu: so : your idea of understanding would be in fact "transformative love". ie, it'd give you the ability to turn, if not marble into virgin, at least whore into housewife.

mircea_popescu: dja think this was ever displayed ?

mircea_popescu: whyssat ?

mircea_popescu: nah.

mircea_popescu: the sort of understanding you propose is a relationship between mind and object that's transcendental. the ready comparison is the supposed transcendental relation between man and woman.

mircea_popescu: outside of this, all that's left is eliza-understanding.

mircea_popescu: and, obviously, fucking. ie, a manipulation of the subject according to the rules of the reality it inhabits.

mircea_popescu: what eliza does, what no strings attached sex is.

mircea_popescu: if you recognise a naive romanticism in one field, the other should also be obvious.

mircea_popescu: all women are whores and all thinkers are eliza.

mircea_popescu: the ability of whores to distinguish themselves from "those cheap streetwalkers" is not that important globally.

mircea_popescu: having more to do with ego and stress than anything

mircea_popescu: undata if you will. asciilifeform yes, essentially, which is why the microscope hammer thing never persuaded me.

mircea_popescu: not every hammer is a microscope TO YOU

mircea_popescu: not every whore is a partner you'd entertain, but that has little to do with the principles involved.

mircea_popescu: let's approach on a different tack.

mircea_popescu: what is the method through which i could write software that distinguishes between actual science and global-warming-science ?

mircea_popescu: well, the reason might be that there couldn't be such a thing. there's nothing that makes "good science" better than a pile of shanonized papers.

mircea_popescu: you can test them, of course, but this is practically speaking aesthetics.

mircea_popescu: so, yeah. all thinkers are eliza, the distinguishing among elizas, like among whores, purely an application of one's own aesthetic preference.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you a current dreaming it's frying a butterfgly etc

mircea_popescu: undata the argument mind, isn't that some eliza-trees don't make much better looking reality-clothes than others.

mircea_popescu: the argument is whether they're actually different.

mircea_popescu: if one function returns rnd(0,15) and the other rnd(20,42) it is easy to establish which returns the larger number,

mircea_popescu: but that doesn't mean they're not the same damned function.

mircea_popescu: and the brain is in no sense and to no degree a logic processing machine.

mircea_popescu: nor, ironically, are actual logic processing machines all that intelligent.

mircea_popescu: to us at least.

mircea_popescu: nubbins` quite.

mircea_popescu: pretty much yeah.

mircea_popescu: "it can be made to"

mircea_popescu: not that any of these subtle considerations have any sort of practical effect or importance,

mircea_popescu: but since the article spoke of "substance" in thought... well...

mircea_popescu: there's no substance to thought.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but my point is that this argument misses the very point of what thought is.

mircea_popescu: that's what thought is, entirely, all the time : suggestively named strings.

mircea_popescu: to the code.

mircea_popescu: ok, let me phrase it thus :

mircea_popescu: mp's lemma of artificial intelligence requires any computer program that exhibits in fact ai to depend in its functioning on the naming of its functions, and that self-metaprogramming be a part of its working.

mircea_popescu: ok, great example.

mircea_popescu: that thing IS intelligent, just like me and you and the dragonfly.

mircea_popescu: how would i know ?

mircea_popescu: ok, let's re-rephrase :

mircea_popescu: any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI.

mircea_popescu: o for sure, im not even getting into the point of the article. i just went on a tangent for objection reasons, like i do.

mircea_popescu: i don't think that violates my restatement.

mircea_popescu: well yeah but if it did violate restatement then either i'm wrong or no ai can be made to run on lisp machine.

mircea_popescu: is this provable to actually work all the time ?

mircea_popescu: hm

mircea_popescu: that smashes eventually no ?

mircea_popescu ponders.

mircea_popescu: i superficially suspect this discussion proves there can never be turing ai.,

mircea_popescu: lisp machine being turing equivalent

mircea_popescu: myeah

mircea_popescu: well, the only way to build one may be to first build a planet, then let cnc evolve.

mircea_popescu: cns*

mircea_popescu: a good example would be, a spontaneous determination to build itself a house, ☟︎

mircea_popescu: while no identifiable part of the code deals with housebuilding.

mircea_popescu: if the machine ends up housed within a house of its own making at the end of a process which was not either understood or its endpoint predictable by observers, well... iut;'s intelligent.

mircea_popescu: lets see!

mircea_popescu: see, that "intend to go" is exactly why the preoccupation with non identifiability.

mircea_popescu: fuckall cares what i intend.

mircea_popescu: okay.

mircea_popescu: so your argument is that ant meets my definition of ai ?

mircea_popescu: how do you identify a highway as a house ?

mircea_popescu: say if you showed this process to 1k randomly selected 5 yos, would they say "it built itself a house" ?

mircea_popescu: to us.

mircea_popescu: not to it. that's the point. to us.

mircea_popescu: *we* have to recognise what it does.

mircea_popescu: well, this definition is, "when you recognise what's being done, but neither why nor how, you're confronted with intelligence"

mircea_popescu: this is counterintuitive, because we're very ethnicallyclose, so to speak,

mircea_popescu: so we eliza-recognise what WE do on the grounds of culture and convention

mircea_popescu: when intelligences meet without that basis, superamazement ensues.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, it's not a black box.

mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> any computer program of which identifiable components can be unambiguously named is not capable of displaying AI. << this obviously requires you to be allowed under the hood.

mircea_popescu: otherwise windows is ai for crying out loud.

mircea_popescu: well it all started with you asking for a definition of ai.

mircea_popescu: Adlai yes, actually.

mircea_popescu: perhaps except for the queen, but that's an endless discussion.

mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or with an entirely non-interactive and ultimately easily described physical system that you simply don't grasp yet. << incidentally, the brain seems to fit this quite exactly.

mircea_popescu: Adlai maybe, but i'm very wary of recent brainscience.

mircea_popescu: Adlai generally most ant colonies have emergency backups always ready

mircea_popescu: if queen dies newborn queen emerges almost immediately.

mircea_popescu: some collapse tho, for various reasons

mircea_popescu: right

mircea_popescu: well not really, neurons don't regrow like ants do.

mircea_popescu: as opposed to moderately possible within a few thousand years ?

mircea_popescu: how'dja compute those parameters ?

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: you can feel it in your urine ?

mircea_popescu: Adlai i have no idea, but i suspect your conviction is more informed by a faint whiff of a personal desire to survive/fear of death than anything else.

mircea_popescu: Adlai why would you want to live forever already.

mircea_popescu: haven't had enough of idiots yet ?

mircea_popescu: yeah, what is going to happen. i wonder.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: undata i recall reading this east-side of cold war story (rdg it was i think ?), about the drink that bestowed immortality, and how obnoxious old people were, 700+ yo clinging on to life to "see who wins whatever games"

mircea_popescu: in fairness, the commies were very well familiar with the problem of just-wont-fucking-die-already dinosaurs

mircea_popescu: something the us is getting more and more acquainted with.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's the normally sclerotic reaction of society to a dissolution of values

mircea_popescu: the east destroyed its value system "for socialism"

mircea_popescu: the west did too, for... well... "fairness" i guess, same bs.

mircea_popescu: only way to select people now is age, which explains disasters like nanci pelosi

mircea_popescu: but see... because of the "nonviolent principle" or w/e, it doesnt HAVE TO adapt anymore.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get out much, do you ?

mircea_popescu: 40yo male, with a buncha chicks. 20 yo male, in a group of derps.

mircea_popescu: quite fucking speciously speciated.

mircea_popescu: hence speciously :D

mircea_popescu: no it wont

mircea_popescu: part of the reason there's going to be blood is that there's too many old people.

mircea_popescu: incidentally, my favourite discussion of the topic is balzac. eugenie grandet.

mircea_popescu: Adlai you don't understand. there's nothing more readily cohesive of a group than hatred for old people.

mircea_popescu: look into london riots.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: are you like, new under the sun ?

mircea_popescu: suppose kim kardashian goes around drunk in the bad part of detroit, gets raped by a gang of thugs

mircea_popescu: hires a different gang of thugs to... kill the first gang ?

mircea_popescu: sure. they also fuck her, then they go have a drink with the first gang, exchange impressions.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that scheme only works when there's few old guys.

mircea_popescu: well, actually, i suspect old gals is more of a burden, but who knows.

mircea_popescu: i guess.

mircea_popescu: but the problem is the swarming instinct.

mircea_popescu: you know, peacible grasshoppers suddenly change mode because they got touched on the toes by others too many times.

mircea_popescu: no, but her ability to continue in relevance is a strict function of how many mrs smith johnny perceives a day.

mircea_popescu: because if he perceives too many, he's going to go "fuck you, and your laws, and your union"

mircea_popescu: something like the ferguson stuff.

mircea_popescu: fine, whatever unquenchable permariots. the paris stuff.

mircea_popescu: now look. im not saying the small scale thing is effectual.

mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that the mechanism clearly exists.

mircea_popescu: this is exactly how capitals work

mircea_popescu: same happened to bucharest, also in 70s

mircea_popescu: i suspect also moscow

mircea_popescu: well me either, what am i. mafalda.

mircea_popescu: myeah.

mircea_popescu: so basically we could say it's "the understanding" of magnetism ?

mircea_popescu: da fuck is nasaa

mircea_popescu: all these important things i don't know about!

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: can this be like, our god ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: cool.

mircea_popescu: lizard hitler is nowwith bitcoin jesus.

mircea_popescu: cazalla about 11 in 5.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/i-dont-know-what-the-hell-i-said-i-gave-her-an-ultimatum-and-theres-nothing-i-can-do-its-a-machine-the-little-light-is-blinking-right-now-come-and-listen-to-the-idiot-hey-everybody-the-i/

mircea_popescu: hehe

mircea_popescu: i am an ant!

mircea_popescu: well for prosteriority.

mircea_popescu: where prost means stupid, at least in romanian.

mircea_popescu: $conference

mircea_popescu: right you are

mircea_popescu: yup. it works as a trap for particular people

mircea_popescu: rather than a universal problem

mircea_popescu: nah, the two are not the same.

mircea_popescu: understand something : if female brain were not hackable, if female vulva had no opening, there'd be no species.

mircea_popescu: she hacks herself. of course she does. so what of it ?

mircea_popescu: jurov quite.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im just saying, let's not confuse those who pass the fertility test with those who fail the turing test.

mircea_popescu: Adlai i linked it neh ?

mircea_popescu: Our biggest concern is the welfare of children who appear on this site. {Site name redacted} has a ZERO tolerance policy for rape or

mircea_popescu: what the fuck reporting is this.

mircea_popescu: !up romkor_

mircea_popescu: Adlai ah, the book. no, never have.

mircea_popescu: you mean gribble ?

mircea_popescu: Adlai http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Helper_scripts like that ?

mircea_popescu: what's so amazing about this ?

mircea_popescu: badly thought out, pointless functionality doesn't get much use among the sane.

mircea_popescu: vulpes explains this if memory serves.

mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fn.24 there.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even getting into these technical discussion : getting people to use their credit cards as identification paperwork is a bad idea.

mircea_popescu: the only proper way to use bitcoin addresses as identification correctly is to run a never-connected node that has no balance.

mircea_popescu: this is so braindamaged as to leave one breathless.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you asking me why or the abuser why ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: convenience is the enemy, of course.

mircea_popescu: anwyay : you'll also notice we quite strictly use 4kb rsa sigs in our gpg

mircea_popescu: as pointedly opposed to using the ecdsa in bitcoin

mircea_popescu: now imagine what happens if either is breached somehow.

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: double the hassle of logging. tide's not really that high yet.

mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Adlai

mircea_popescu: Adlai it just says "you're authed" and lists how that could be

mircea_popescu: anyway, seems you first logged last month, what do you mean "btc auth set up for years" ?

mircea_popescu: well no meaningful content is directly obvious from the form of expression. you gotta know what the words sya.

mircea_popescu: like how ?

mircea_popescu: "Lest this all seem merely amusing, meditate on the fate of those who have tampered with words before. The behaviorists ruined words like "behavior", "response", and especially, "learning". They now pl-ay happily in a dream world, internally consistent but lost to science."

mircea_popescu: oh boy, quite.

mircea_popescu: 2012-10-06 04:55:28 aha

mircea_popescu: Adlai unrelated to our convo.