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solrodar: asciilifeform: and ☟︎
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BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/12/ennio_morricone_to_score_the_hateful_eight_tarantino_s_film_will_be_morricone.html
assbot: Ennio Morricone to score The Hateful Eight: Tarantino’s film will be Morricone’s first Western in four decades. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9JzZZ )
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mircea_popescu: punkman indeed.
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mircea_popescu: such country.
mircea_popescu: https://www.portalarium.com/ <<
assbot: Home - Portalarium ... ( http://bit.ly/1USz81e )
mircea_popescu: The Buzz
mircea_popescu: Richard Garriott's Shroud of the Avatar from Portalarium Raises Two Million Dollars in Crowd Funding
mircea_popescu: April 08, 2013
mircea_popescu: such sad story, this crowdfunding thing.
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BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 365065 | Current Difficulty: 5.1076366303481926E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 366911 | Next Difficulty In: 1846 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.68703
ag3nt_zer0: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/01/0110_030113_organpipeclynes.html
assbot: Arizona Park "Most Dangerous" in U.S. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HplN9O )
ag3nt_zer0: " "Our budget isn't considered part of homeland defense, so it wasn't a priority," Thompson said, as he drove past the 20-foot (6-meter) hole in the border fence that Eggle's killer drove through. "But how long will it be until someone figures out that you could easily drive a semi-truck with a nuclear device through here?"
ag3nt_zer0: it'll be just about that long, Thompson.
ag3nt_zer0: just after we go to press!
decimation: "Meanwhile, a highly critical Interior Department report says that the department's law enforcement program is in disarray, and that the Park Service suffers from extreme organizational dysfunction. "
ag3nt_zer0: yeah sure... having been to yosemite a few times recently and being so struck by the beauty I don't really dig the story - not to mention the mass media blackouts on the issue
mod6: i went camping there once.
ag3nt_zer0: yosemite?
mod6: organ pipe
decimation: mod6: apparently you were lucky not to be murdered by wondering drug gangs
ag3nt_zer0: oh nice... arizona really is beautiful... lived all over that place at one tiem or another
mod6: it wasn't quite as bad back then. there was still a lot of people crossing the border in the area -- especially across the tohono o'odham resvervation boarder. there the tribe refuses to enforce the boarder because they claim that for thousands of years, there was no boarder.
mod6: the reservation is adjacent (due east) of organ pipe
ag3nt_zer0: there wasn't any fire water either but they got no prob with that
mod6: true enough.
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mircea_popescu: lol nucular devices!
trinque: ben_vulpes: so parenscript isn't so bad
trinque: spent some time with it over the weekend; though I'm not actually writing CL on the client side it's close enough that I don't feel like I'm context switching between server and client
trinque: the JS produced is entirely readable
PeterL: re American Manufacturing thread earlier, as one who works in a US manufacturing plant, I feel like I have to point out that not all US manufacturing is shit, and my job is to make sure of that
PeterL: oh, by the way, I don't think I have mentioned it here yet, I have loinfruit number 4 on the way, due about January
BingoBoingo: Congrats PeterL
PeterL: thanks
PeterL: You guys have an opinion about Meghan Trainor "all about the base"? Disgusting meat planet or fresh breath of honesty?
BingoBoingo: HamPlanet enabler
PeterL: She is shaped kinda like my wife, but not as cute. What can I say, I like em curvy?
BingoBoingo: Her body isn't the problem. It's her message
BingoBoingo: Trainor doesn't look bad, but her message gives the real FUPAtroopers unwarranted positive encouragement
PeterL: maybe we should just let them feel good about themself and they will stop bothering us about making them feel bad?
BingoBoingo: No
BingoBoingo: That just encourages more of them to exist
gernika: Never quite understood the publicity push encouraging people to eat healthy. Who are these magical people that live healthy lives and then die conveniently, without requiring expensive medical treatment? Is it that they must live long lives and pay enough taxes to afford their death, and that those that die earlier are shirking?
PeterL: Perhaps the hope is that instead of a long decline, people will have a strong life until they suddenly drop dead at the end?
PeterL: Must be strong until pushed into gasenwagen?
asciilifeform: Last Bullet Health and Life Insurance Corp.
PeterL: Should the government health-care supervisors be pushing for doctor-assisted suicide at the onset of terminal diseases?
gernika: Well, they shouldn't outlaw it, at least.
BingoBoingo: It's about aesthetics
PeterL: aesthetics or anesthetics?
mats: http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/army-details-cuts-alaska-georgia-texas-hit-hardest/
assbot: Army Cuts Hit Alaska, Georgia, Texas Hardest « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary ... ( http://bit.ly/1fBnsjr )
PeterL: " “At that point,” Allyn continued, “we will no longer be capable of fulfilling our responsibilities in accordance with the national security strategy.” " << Maybe they should bring some troops home from around the world?
mats: meh, hire Triple Canopy.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Totally about aesthetics
mats: this reduction in force has been planned for a decade
mats: by... politicians
PeterL: well, the army is the biggest item in the budget, so if you want to make a dent it is the obvious place to start
mats: my understanding is that the long term plan has been to reduce the size of conventional troops to pay for more stuff in the socom budget
mats: since rumsfeld/bush
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/synod/
assbot: Cadaver Synod ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54gpA )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54fCg )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
cazalla: PeterL, hey congrats! missus and i banged it out a few times last month trying for another.. find out if it took this week
asciilifeform: ^ long live the waterfall, aha
PeterL: it's funner if it takes longer
asciilifeform: or will it pay for tx fees once gavinspam runs short of oldcoinz ?
asciilifeform: (letting blocks fall under 950kB is out of the question, dontchaknow)
cazalla: what medication is that guy on? anti-depressants?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My guess is txfeespam
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/poor-door-nyc/poor-door-nyc.htm << also lulzy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O54YDn )
asciilifeform did not know ^ existed
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BingoBoingo: poor door is SOP in larger US cities
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl congrats. boy or girl ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: gernika certainly a good objection.
mircea_popescu: seems beyond fucking stupid to frame that discussion in terms of banning tobacco. or for that matter, banning tobacco.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, obese people are an offense to humanity.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of motivation to act healthy - http://31.media.tumblr.com/970b9af35bd767902b45116e3b5ab04a/tumblr_n7k8g6t70m1rl2fgko1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SipssW )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15826 @ 0.00053256 = 8.4283 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: SO finally got 0.7.2 ish built on OpenBSD 5.6 again. Turns out the problem this whole week was pointing at the wrong BDB version
mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then. ☟︎
mthreat: I'm going to move it to a different server soon to avoid this problem.
cazalla: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
mircea_popescu: mthreat send you a btc to help bills along ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla lookin into it
mircea_popescu: - - [13/Jul/2015:02:19:37 -0400] "GET /2015/02/ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-killed-in-thailand/ HTTP/1.1" 200 6182 "http://qntra.net/" "PHP/5.{3|2}.{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}{1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|0}"
mircea_popescu: lol somebody doesn't grok this entire regex thing
punkman: "Greece 'strikes deal with creditors' after all-night talks finally end in agreement following 17 hours of tense negotiations "
mircea_popescu: what's the highlights ?
punkman: you know, same deal as the one people voted off as "NO"
mircea_popescu: lol.
punkman: but now we've killed all trust in banks
mircea_popescu: oxicodone.
punkman: which is a good thing of course
mircea_popescu: eh, trust.
punkman: maybe they wanna buy up Greece before the "long winter" ?
mircea_popescu: aren't these the same banks that stole 90% of cypriot funds a coupla years ago ? what trust.
mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100% ☟︎
mircea_popescu: much like idiot couples that "can't stand each other" to hear them talk, but then go have bad sex twice a week.
punkman: I don't see how they can remove capital controls anytime soon without... going more bankrupt?
mircea_popescu: it's probably coming out of land values. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what's a thousand sq ft in downtown athens go for these days ?
punkman: no idea, but the europeans have been eyeing all that land owned by greek church
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu: that gotta go.
punkman: they'll definitely sell off the telecom company to ze germans, which owns most cables and rents them out to the private telecoms
mircea_popescu: the eternal dilemma of the margins : self owned by the local idiots ? or by a distant, thus disinterested if actually competent empire.
punkman: Deutsche Telekom owns 40% already
mircea_popescu: "Since I am no longer at the helm of UO, let’s look at where it has gone in my absence. Elves and ninjas have been added into the game, things I specifically had banned. This is only a small example of why and how Ultima has drifted away from Richard Garriott, but I have not drifted away from Ultima. Overused, irrelevant & reused RPG elements are not the essence of my Ultimate RPG.
mircea_popescu: It is clear to me that I, Richard Garriott, am an essential ingredient of at least the Ultimate Ultima, if not more broadly the Ultimate RPG. Perhaps one day, now that the people who pushed me out of EA more than a decade ago are long since gone, EA will recognize that together, we could rebuild that franchise in a way that they have failed to do in the intervening years. Richard Garriott is an essential ingredient in
mircea_popescu: the Ultimate Ultima!"
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mircea_popescu: for every actual steve jobs...
punkman: is that the portalarium guy?
mircea_popescu: well, legendary ultima creator, lord british etc. yes.
punkman: all the old game devs are trying to crowdfund games these days
punkman: idiots even bought back rights to Carmageddon
mircea_popescu: when it rains money, who's not gonna spare a pail ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, guy sold origin for 30mn. fucking nuts.
mircea_popescu: imagine, origin worth 30mn in 1992, watsap worth 20 bn in 2014.
punkman: I don't remember playing any of his games, were they good?
mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell whaack ever got it to run ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: http://www.gamesradar.com/why-do-we-keep-forgiving-double-fine/
assbot: Why do we keep forgiving Double Fine? | GamesRadar ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwqmV0 )
BingoBoingo: punkman: So now that there's a deal do you want to write up Greece again?
mircea_popescu: dat piece o shit site. 3k lines page, content starts at line 798
mircea_popescu: aaaaand by line 862 the schmuck's rehashed the same intro three times while proposing his spin on it also three times. substantiation is still implicitly promised but i lost hope of delivery and who the fuck is the author anyway ?
mircea_popescu: unemployed lousy public school teachers on the rampage.
punkman: heh
punkman: BingoBoingo: maybe end of this week, no reason to cover the derps move-by-move
BingoBoingo: Alright
mircea_popescu: when did this become a discursive style anyway, "general statement, unsubstantiated claim, restatement of general statement, restatement of unsubstantiated claim, second restatement of general statement, second restatement of unsubstantiated claim, and then move into "we" territory.
mircea_popescu: what fucking we.
punkman: the psychology of crowdfunders ^
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scoopbot_revived: An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/
punkman: "One intriguing detail with the EU statement: as part of market reforms designed to boost the economy, Greece will have to bring in Sunday trading hours."
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cazalla: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
punkman: jurov, did ml barf at my last email?
jurov: gpg: BAD signature from "punkman"
punkman: I wrapped at 74 columns before signing :/
jurov: try copying from sent mail and verifying
jurov: there are zillions of way how mail clients try to be helpful with autoformatting body text, not just wordwrap
jurov: better be safe and send clearsigned stuff as first attachment
jurov: ^ explanation also for ben_vulpes
punkman: ok, it worked now
jurov: what was it?
punkman: I suppose squirrelmail did something to the message
jurov: one client that can be easily configured and relied on to keep body text intact, is kmail. maybe that's why kdepim shitgnome devs (reportedly) use thunderbird instead :D
punkman: made this patch with "git diff", hope it works
jurov: looks fine. pls, what version it applies on ?
jurov: oh thermonuke
jurov: still not added to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html .. this is hopeless
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZZDZT )
jurov: i'm tempted to just abandon it ane let someone else try making turdatron_revived
punkman: how did I break patches.html?
jurov: not you
jurov: it's most likely my cancerous addon to gnu mailman that failed to process it
punkman: maybe it doesn't like git diff output?
jurov: it does not read the patch at all
jurov: if you sent lenna_full.jpg and lenna_full.jpg.sig it should add them to list, too
punkman: my .sig verifies right?
jurov: just checked.. it does not
punkman: wtf
jurov: it checks at your side?
punkman: yes
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000122.html the sha1sums of your files are as shown here?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fCl6kl )
punkman: also works if I download .sig and --verify it
jurov: haven't you updated your key recently?
punkman: hmm I downloaded .patch attachment and it fails indeed
jurov: check the sums pls
jurov: if different, send me your ones and upload the patch, say, to dpaste for me to compare
punkman: I think something stripped a newline at eof
jurov: there is one empty line in the end of received .patch
punkman: I see sent patch ending with "}\n " and original with "}\n \n"
punkman flaps hands
jurov flails hands
jurov: cancer, indeed
punkman: does it work with --sign --armor files?
jurov: no it expects detached sigs
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punkman: it stripped the last newline from readme_s.txt as well
punkman: well if it doesn't reject files that don't match .sig, I could just put them in a tar.gz
jurov: it won't reject any files, it just won't track them either
BingoBoingo: The solution to this problem really seems to be all of the retarded mail clients.
punkman: guess I should try sending with mutt
jurov: BingoBoingo: what do you mean?
jurov: punkman: it was squirrelmail that removed these newlines?
BingoBoingo: There's just a huge disconnect between how people expect their mail client to behave and how they actually do
jurov: punkman pls check the outgoing folder (if you have any), we need to know what caused this
punkman: jurov, well I assume turdatron didn't do this, so must be squirrel or something inbetween
jurov: and i assume turdatron did. so let's get rid of these assumptions, don the gloves and check what's there
jurov: it won't help me if you resend .tar.gz and forget
punkman: the attachments in my "sent" folder had stripped newlines
jurov: okay. so it's squirrelmail, thanks for info
punkman: trying to google "squirrelmail strips newlines" and I get nothing though
jurov: and that's why i put "check if your outgoiug mail verifies" in the manual nobody reads
jurov: !s squirrelmail
assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=squirrelmail
jurov: oh search down again?
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199092 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 06:30:15; mthreat: I just found out the search.b-a server is down until my friend pays the bill. sorry, search won't work until then.
jurov: what a flashback to rg times "nm, phriend pays" :)
BingoBoingo: Oh, before my time
jurov: basically, rg IPOed bitvps, happily paid divs, even submitted something resmbling monthly reports at first... until DC subscription ran out and nobody was around to pay it in fiat
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: that's what happens when you let a 12yo run a business
nubbins`: those of you who are familiar with romance languages (mircea_popescu, davout, etc) may find this Canadian road sign amusing: http://i.imgur.com/GAdlYEM.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhfOQh )
nubbins`: (literal translation of french: "men's holes on the students")
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asciilifeform: punkman: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150713/punkman_debug_sanity_part1_f0023d64470b05705a891da5b52bb1c24eed955b.patch << neato
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqpgCT )
asciilifeform: punkman: but, tell me this, what was the rationale for nuking the random rpc pw generator thing ?
punkman: asciilifeform: not particularly needed is it?
asciilifeform: imho it was precisely the correct thing. i don't use remote rpc, i don't give a fuck what the pw is so long as it can't be guessed
punkman: can put it back
asciilifeform: and i don't relish having to create it manually on every new machine
asciilifeform: punkman: well, not necessarily put it back, but think of whether there might be a more elegant pill
punkman: conf generator bash script that generates one?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: in that spirit.
asciilifeform: keep in mind that not all systems will have bash
asciilifeform: (iirc my pogo build does not)
asciilifeform: nor perl, etc
punkman: put it in makefile?
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure how to do this, other than in c, on a machine with no bash, perl, python, etc
asciilifeform: for now i'd just let that thing live
asciilifeform: other nitpick: the removal of the wx cruft is spiffy - it was next on my personal list. but i'd replace InitMessage with fprintf(FOO, ..... with FOO equalling stdout by default. this is because we might one day have a device with a character lcd screen, or teletype, or whatnot, and preserving the semantics of 'this is an init message' isn't entirely useless
punkman: InitMessage already had printf next to it
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: what a crock of shit this thing was, from day 1...
punkman: perhaps some things that go to stderr currently, should also go to debug log
asciilifeform: ideally it'd all go to debug.log
punkman: it's still a mess, will need debug_sanity_part2.patch
asciilifeform: what's in that one ?
punkman: nothing yet
asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ? ☟︎
punkman: I remember people complaining about that
asciilifeform: it needs to be switchable off, yes
asciilifeform: but if it is absent entirely, log will fill disk
punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate? ☟︎
asciilifeform: one more MB of shit for pogo rom ?
asciilifeform: no thx
punkman: ok so I'll resubmit with those two back in
asciilifeform: better solution is loglevels
asciilifeform: max retains all, as your version does
asciilifeform: min produces no log whatsoever
asciilifeform: this one was on my list.
asciilifeform: but i'm very much behind with my list.
punkman: what's inbetween min/max?
asciilifeform: the replacement of various 'if debug ...'-isms
asciilifeform: these are to be displayed on max, but not on 'normal'
punkman: if(fDebug) is not used much though
asciilifeform: was gonna add verbosity in various spots, also, for 'max'
asciilifeform: still, nice work punkman
asciilifeform: i was certain i'd have to do this bit of cleaning myself, and it is a pleasant surprise not having to
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199135 << wouldjabelieve i played the whole series ~BUT~ for 9 and 'Online' ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 08:11:27; mircea_popescu: supposedly ultima online was major. i never really got into the series.
asciilifeform: yes, especially loved the 1980s (commodore-64!) through '5'
asciilifeform: but i never got into mmporgs at all. what sort of game is it where player is not the hero!
asciilifeform: i can sorta picture the appeal of eulora, by imagining it as a kind of animated #b-a
asciilifeform: but items like 'ultima online' never got me hot&bothered
solrodar: asciilifeform: hello again, did you get my links above?
asciilifeform: solrodar: aha
asciilifeform: where's the recipe?
solrodar: at the top of the script
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu as soon as somebody reports a successful replication of solrodar's recipe, imho he ought get the prize
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: where's the link?
solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1198987 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 00:02:06; solrodar: asciilifeform: and
solrodar: the latter being the output of the former
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199110 << re: banks, they are a furniture in the jail. so i apply solzhenitsyn's formula, 'НЕ верь, НЕ бойся, НЕ проси' - don't trust, don't fear, don't ask anything of it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 07:35:15; mircea_popescu: nobody has "any trust" of the theoretical verbal kind in banks, then they go use them 100%
punkman: worthy to note that greece always had huge cash economy
asciilifeform: some folks have the meatwot to avoid or mostly avoid fiat banks. (a few of them here, iirc.) good for them.
asciilifeform: punkman: so does usa
asciilifeform: but not everybody gets to be part of it.
asciilifeform: solrodar: there is information loss in your s-expression output.
asciilifeform: in particular, i have no idea how many times function x calls y
asciilifeform: nor do the 'edges' specify in what direction goes the flow
asciilifeform: (is this standardized and implicit ?)
solrodar: the order is source and destination
asciilifeform: aha thx
asciilifeform: then this is usable.
punkman: are those nodes the filtered ones?
asciilifeform: looks like it
solrodar: yes, and overloads and template expansions have been merged into single nodes
solrodar: if you don't want that then you can comment out the call to merge_overloads
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199113 << there is an interesting caveat, which is that land prices in the nato reich are proclaimed 'too big to fail' in the sense that they will never be permitted to fall into where a schmuck can buy a serious land holding ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 07:39:32; mircea_popescu: it's probably coming out of land values.
asciilifeform: e.g., near where i live there is baltimore, md. a city where there are 5k usd plots of land. but i go and try to buy, and learn that it comes with a $maxint obligation to clean, build, guard...
asciilifeform: fuck that
asciilifeform: but logic suggests that if it were not for this 'small print', it'd be the same 200k as in washington
asciilifeform: in that sense, all cheap real estate is a mirage. if it could be had for $smallint, a speculator would already own it.
asciilifeform: (a large, industrial speculator, that is)
asciilifeform bll
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: punkman: thanks for your patch submission!
mod6: I tried to patch it in as it says in your email, but hit a snag in src/wallet.cpp -- any idea what might be going wrong here? : http://dpaste.com/24ZM2S0.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3XjE5 )
punkman: mod6: try adding a newline at end of .patch file
mod6: there alredy was one there. i can add a new one, but then ofc your sha1 wont match. no worries, will try.
punkman: mail client ate last line which was part of diff context
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28278 @ 0.00051208 = 14.4806 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ok, so there is an 0a at the end of the file. tail doens't show it, but when I open it in ViM it's there... weird!: dpaste.com/0F8R1VJ.txt
jurov: punkman: just resend it with another mail client
punkman: I'll send new one with asciilifeform's suggestions
mod6: alright, cool. thx!
punkman: mod6, when you have a moment, could you have a look at my_snprintf, strprintf and error() in util.cpp? do we need all that?
mod6: punkman: yeah, sure. i'll take a closer look at it here in just a bit. that work?
mod6: might be better to use `diff -uNr a b` on your changes as opposed to `git --diff` too.
mod6: or `diff --git` w/e.
mod6: makes it /slightly/ easier to read.
mod6: i have no idea why (as a lot of things in this code) this is done: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0080
mod6: so getting rid of that and just calling vsnprintf looks fine to me.
mod6 looks at others.
punkman: mod6: that's the output of "git diff -p" command. I don't see any differences besides the "index d91d969..6b38259 100644" sections.
mod6: if nothing else could you try with `git diff -pU`?
jurov: mod6 i happen to know exactly why _vsnprintf, it's windowsism
mod6: the main annoying thing here is that we see (ex): @@ -77,7 +72,6 @@ T* alignup(T* p)
mod6: type of stuff
mod6: jurov: ahh, ok didn't know that.
punkman: it's in std lib http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstdio/vsnprintf/
assbot: vsnprintf - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1gxiRPC )
jurov: wanted to use snprintf in a win school project, had to call it as _snprintf
mod6: yeah, `man 3 printf`
jurov: never did further research why m$ did this
jurov: neither did satoshi, apparently :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.0005184 = 27.8122 BTC [+]
mod6: punkman: your changes to strprintf, error and my_snprintf to utilize vsnprintf directly look fine. I see in FormatException you changed snprintf to my_snprintf, which is apparently designed to be "safer".
mod6: Looks related to this: Concerning the return value of snprintf(), SUSv2 and C99 contradict each other: when snprintf() is called with size=0 then SUSv2 stipulates an unspecified return value less than 1, while C99 allows str to be NULL in this case, and gives the
mod6: return value (as always) as the number of characters that would have been written in case the output string has been large enough. SUSv3 and later align their specification of snprintf() with C99.
mod6: Is that the rationale there?
punkman: mod6, I just thought I'd remove some useless #defines, I got absolutely no clue what's going on there
mod6: looks like error(const std::string &&format, ...) does the same gyrations as around _vsnprintf/vsnprintf as my_snprintf. which is kinda strange. my_snprintf must have been added later.
mod6: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0232
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1SjtQYu )
mod6: and strprintf (http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0205) except it checks (ret >= 0 && ret < limit) as well as a few other things.
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf (which inturn calls vsnprintf) might be a good change. but unless we know why we're doing it, maybe we should just leave that alone.
mod6: (in FormatException)
ascii_field: ben_vulpes, trinque, other apple users: http://www.lispworks.com/images/lw-ide-cocoa.png << apparently they have lower prices now. if you're still into commercial lisps
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAmuhJ )
ascii_field: ('lispworks ltd.')
ascii_field: ^ firm was once infamous for charging royalties on runtime (!!!) for commercial apps. apparently no more.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ << more hippie talk of hippies saying "Bitcoin will make poor people rich social justic and income inequality"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: punkman: also, there is a commandline option for -logtimestamps so maybe just leave fLogTimestamps = false;
mod6: why are boost/function.hpp and wallet.h added to headers.h ?
ascii_field: mod6: they used to be in noui.h
mod6: Ah!
mod6: ok.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d4gbu/no_we_dont_we_dont_owe_you_anything/ct1rfi0
assbot: scrimrot comments on "No we don't. We don't owe you anything." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sjv8CS )
mod6: so other than what I said above about keeping FormatException the same, and leaving fLogTimestamps = false, and asciilifeforms' notes above, looks pretty good :]
mod6: thanks for putting effort into cleaning this stuff up.
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199256 << maybe have two config options, one that determines which things go into log file (min/normal/max) and another option which limits how big that file can get? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:16; asciilifeform: and what's the deal with removing ShrinkDebugFile ?
punkman: mod6: what kind of insane person doesn't timestamp logs?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: the obsession with 'fair' is interesting - psychiatrically
mod6: punkman: my thoughts too.
mod6: but if we /always/ want them in there, maybe we should remove the commandline flag.
punkman: yeah forgot to remove that, will do
mod6: phf: thanks for your submission be aware that this exists : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0046
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CAnhz6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00051166 = 27.8343 BTC [-]
phf: mod6: ah good to know. i'll resubmit, not sure how my patch interacts with recent changes from punkman yet
punkman: punkman: the change from calling snprintf to calling my_snprintf << there was a "#define snprintf my_snprintf" before, which I removed
mod6: phf: yah was just about to say, maybe wait until he submits his, then you can apply yours on top.
phf: it might be worthwhile to replace all those printfs with syslog(3) calls, specifically introducing the priority as the first argument, i.e. LOG_ALERT, LOG_WARNING, LOG_DEBUG. maybe have it conditional compilation, so that real bitcoin instance will log to syslog, where's debug instance will still write to file
mod6: punkman: ah, ok.
mod6: i see that now. that's fine then.
mod6: thx
phf: this will also let us remove dodgy log rotation and management functionality altogether
mod6: sounds nice, but im wary about relying on outside daemons
mod6: ben_vulpes, ascii_field, et. al. anyone have any other thoughts on this ^^
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: see thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199260 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 14:42:55; punkman: if you wanna logrotate, there's logrotate?
mod6: ah, thx.
phf: ascii_field: we seem to agree on loglevels, but what's your take on feeding logs into syslog?
ascii_field: phf: i'm biased in the direction of rolling functionality ~into~ bitcoind, rather than ~out~ to unixland
phf: understood
punkman: I just added a -shrinkdebug option
ascii_field: i'll let others comment. maybe i'm wrong about this one
ascii_field: and log rotation, etc. ought to happen in separate proggies
punkman: doesn't pogo have logrotate or anything already?
ascii_field: but keep in mind that the thing needs to work on machines with no perl, no bash, etc
ascii_field: punkman: not afaik
punkman: what does it do with logs?
ascii_field: iirc it has none
mod6: :D
punkman: so shall I remove -logtimestamps?
phf: i think libc's syslog facility tries to pass messages to syslog and if the daemon is not running, they go into /dev/console instead
phf: but i think the easiest option is to adopt syslog interface (since they already have a reasonable list of priority tags), make it go to debug.log by default, and then interested parties can just do #define log syslog
nubbins`: people seem to think fair means "everyone has the same things"
nubbins`: but that's rarely, if ever, fair
ben_vulpes: wb nubbins`
nubbins`: ty
nubbins`: fair generally means "people have vastly different quantity and quality of things"
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather not have compilation involved in configuring logs.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the debug.log thing is horrendous imho
punkman: ben_vulpes: agreed, I'd like to make the log more parsable
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i'm all ears re: an alternative that doesn't turn my 5MB pogo rom into 10
nubbins`: jesus that reddit diatribe was rough
ben_vulpes: great big screaming steamer of "i cannot reason about this system"
trinque: I'm sure my cats would have things to say about fair if I stopped feeding them.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: turn it off on the pogo. they're fire and forget, are they not?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: thing is, i like cutting code. but i dislike inserting dependencies on complicated unixisms like autorotators.
ascii_field: i also dislike increasing the subset of libc we use
trinque: what about a signal for it to close and reopen the log, and then people can do whatever they please outside it?
ben_vulpes: is disabling logs on the pogo not an adequate solution for you?
trinque: (I'm not aware of whether it already has this)
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: no.
ascii_field: i want log on mine, for example.
phf: ascii_field: autorotators exist because people don't know how to syslog mostly. i.e. you build a syslog demon based on the constraints of your system, i.e. on pogo might just be busybox's syslog, that does rudimentary truncation. elsewhere syslog writes to postgresql or whatever
phf: not running any syslog daemon turns it into fire and forget, so you won't get any logs unless you are physically connected to console
ascii_field: again this is entirely logical except that it creates a new dependency
ascii_field: i.e. one more thing i'd have to reimplement for msdos or bare-metal port.
ben_vulpes: can we get the best of both worlds? eg log to standard debug.log if unconfigured, syslog if configured?
trinque: you could have the best of both by having it just fart messages out stdout and stderr, then attaching it to something like svlogd if/when you want that in a file
ascii_field: ^
trinque: ^ my usual setup when running services with runit
trinque: dat unix philosophy
ascii_field: ^
ben_vulpes: also logging is a pretty low priority ticket. if it looks better, has more information, is less braindamaged, is more consistent, great. does not deserve major surgery atm imho.
ben_vulpes: "ticket"
ben_vulpes still booting
jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d26tk/did_mike_hearn_work_in_sigint_does_he_now/
assbot: Did Mike Hearn work in SIGINT? Does he now? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5wvQ )
punkman: ben_vulpes: I disagree, how the hell are we supposed to debug with insane logs?
trinque: "But if so, he'd be the least well hidden operative ever." << lol
trinque: yes because you as a reddit user know what an operative looks like
trinque: having watched many movies on the subject
ascii_field: https://archive.is/nAitN << archive-d. somebody wanna deedbot this ?
assbot: Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY5MLg )
trinque: sure
trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2W904B9.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6acT )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/262H0V4.txt
assbot: Mike Hearn - Binding to a specified symbol version ... ( http://bit.ly/1HY6pEO )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: both direct and as seen by archive.is
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
felipelalli: is gribble down?
ascii_field: 'Disconnected by services' << ???
ascii_field: qntra also down ?
felipelalli: ascii_field, yes. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://qntra.net/
assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYak4v )
felipelalli: !8ball
felipelalli: gribble seems sick.
felipelalli: ;;8ball
felipelalli: nothing.
gribble: I doubt it very much.
felipelalli: ah! up again.
ben_vulpes: punkman: i'm not advocating insane logs, i'm just saying pretty it up and make it consistent but perhaps we don't waste too much time arguing about syslog and logrotation at precisely this moment?
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: actually sane logs are rather essential for other work
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against sane logs!
ben_vulpes: out of curiosity, what is 'other work'?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: say, figuring out how long it takes to verify block N
ascii_field: would be neat if i could learn this from looking at timestamps
ben_vulpes: ah indeed
ascii_field: or say i wanna pipe my node's log to a thermal printer.
ben_vulpes: eatblock doesn't provide for that?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: eatblock returns immediately
ben_vulpes: hm
ascii_field: (iirc the process is asynchronous.)
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i'm always amazed at how `getinfo' blocks on...something.
ascii_field: prolly the innumerable 'critical section' nonsense
phf: ascii_field: i don't think that's the case. i changed block processing to return false when the block is bastard, and eatblock started returning false for those.
ascii_field: neato
ascii_field: phf: post patch ?
ascii_field: in other nyooz,
ascii_field: https://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/2502 << mega-l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOh16 )
ascii_field: 'Trend Micro Threat Intelligence Manager installs a secure web interface (httpd.exe, tcp port 443/https) which listens for incoming requests. Several vulnerabilities have been found in the product that would allow a remote attacker to cause the product to execute arbitrary code.'
trinque: lol!
trinque: yet they called it a "secure web interface"
ascii_field: http://www.businessinsider.com/proxyham-anonymising-router-project-mysteriously-closed-down-government-rhino-caudill-2015-7 << other lulz of the day ☟︎
assbot: ProxyHam anonymising router project mysteriously closed down - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOp0F )
ascii_field: ^ seems to be a modernization of the ancient 'gold box'
ascii_field: ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_box_(phreaking) )
assbot: Gold box (phreaking) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhOwt4 )
ascii_field: pretty snoreworthy idea, but apparently hamhandedly desaparecido by usg
ascii_field: and now famous as result.
ascii_field: 'Effective immediately, we are halting further dev on #proxyham and will not be releasing any further details or source for the device... Existing #proxyham units will be disposed of and no longer be made available at @_defcon_'
ascii_field: 'it appears that his hand was forced – legally – complete with gags and destruction orders.'
ascii_field: ( http://www.csoonline.com/article/2947377/network-security/privacy-talk-at-def-con-canceled-under-questionable-circumstances.html )
assbot: Privacy talk at DEF CON canceled under questionable circumstances | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYc5yq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20030 @ 0.0005184 = 10.3836 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198964 << the 'open source chinese phones' thing is a complete snorefest. wake me up when street urchins can fab even a, e.g., z80 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:24:39; *: jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^
ascii_field: any moron can get a pinout.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198977 << we had a 'novena' thread. sad joke ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:52:47; phf: jurov: bunnie's mostly famous for reverse engineering first xbox http://hackingthexbox.com, and recently designing novena laptop
jurov: z80 is closed source turd, too, no?
ascii_field: perhaps the ultimate joke. yet another schmuck helping to redefine what 'open' means, to the peanut gallery
ascii_field: jurov: not if you can read ru!
punkman: "Designed to augment existing privacy tools, ProxyHam is a Raspberry Pi computer with Wi-Fi enabled." << gag order for this??
ascii_field: punkman: not like usg considers the question 'is this trivial to make' before they gag
ascii_field: for all we know, usg just finished installing 900Mhz intercept network and now is banking on 'streisand effect' to get us to use it.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198976 << the point i'm trying to make is that 'open' design is meaningless if it cannot be made, or, once made, verified at reasonable expense ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 22:31:52; jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice
ascii_field: in that sense jurov is right, all microprocessors ever made are 'closed source'
jurov: what russians did with z80 was not "reasonable expense"
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: jurov has it.
ascii_field idly wonders how big z80 would be if turned into discrete ttl
ascii_field: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MXCHIP/MICO/master/MICO/Library/RF%20driver/wlan_firmware.c << and ~here~ is an example of what chinese consider to be 'open source'.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuHM70 )
punkman: verified at reasonable expense << can you ever verify SoC in jungle conditions?
punkman: or back to wirewrap?
ascii_field: why wirewrap ?
ascii_field: solder.
mod6: haha @ wlan_firmware.c
nubbins`: nasty magenta print head clog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30670 @ 0.00052756 = 16.1803 BTC [+]
nubbins`: turns out it's an issue with the cartridge in the CIS kit
nubbins`: or so they say, anyway
nubbins`: replacement part otw ☟︎
punkman: ascii_field: solder, sure. what's the most complicated component we can verify in jungle? (is there previous thread?)
ascii_field: ttl
ascii_field: other thing is, items like z80 or rom of ~known vintage~ can be considered 'verifiable' in a weaker sense of the word
ascii_field: stockpile ~now~
ascii_field: not 5 years from now when the fakes are stamped out by the millions.
punkman: ttl?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
punkman: oh nm, found it
trinque: ascii_field: might be cool to get a rough list of interesting historic artifacts from you sometime
ascii_field: trinque: what is interesting to one is just old junk to another.
ascii_field: but i like the idea of owning a lifetime's supply of non-nato cpu.
mats: http://i.imgur.com/3E4znLe.gifv
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4pJ0F )
ascii_field: wat.
punkman: ascii_field: so btc node on some kind of cray-sized monstrosity?
ascii_field: doubtful
ascii_field: in other news,
ascii_field: http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/2/9/0/4/1/1/4/md321_front.jpg?key=4vm4IxchvTR9PpuKsJQPcQ&ts=1436817817
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4qaIa )
ascii_field: arm a9, 256M ram, video, usb; $12 or so in qty. 1 from cn
ascii_field: but afaik there is no (public) linux port
ascii_field: these are sold as 'miracast wireless hdmi receiver'
ascii_field: 802.11 built in
mats: I have one like it
ascii_field: mats: ported linux to it ?
mats: ran openelec on it
trinque: http://www.rock-chips.com/a/en/products/index.html
mats: nope
ascii_field: the included one, afaik, does not support the usb port
trinque: pretty cool
ascii_field: which is the only means of adding storage
ascii_field: (whether it even is usb2, is unknown to me)
ascii_field: if yes, this can run a node
ascii_field: and is price-comparable with pogo
ascii_field: and available in qty. MAXINT
ascii_field: http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/29/acer-aerialcast-miracast-adapter-powered-by-realtek-rtd1185pa-rtl8192dv << similar device
assbot: Acer AerialCast Miracast Adapter Powered by Realtek RTD1185PA + RTL8192DV ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC7Fel )
ascii_field: apparently these are rather plentiful
trinque: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Realtek << looks like that realtek chip speaks usb2.0
assbot: Realtek - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC83t9 )
trinque: so there's some hope
trinque: the one on the xda link, I mean.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199544 << not the kind of "replacement part" I usually hear about in regards to a "CIS kit" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 19:39:41; nubbins`: replacement part otw
ascii_field: http://www.pandawill.com/e6-wireless-display-dongle-miracast-hdmi-wifi-display-tv-stick-black-p94914.html
assbot: E6 Wireless Display Dongle Miracast HDMI WiFi Display TV Stick Black ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC93h7 )
ascii_field: slightly costlier than pogo; comparable specs; would need a mechanical adapter for usb drive
ascii_field: user would have to plug the thing into a tv set to configure 802.11
ascii_field: and
ascii_field: i suppose it could display a spiffy graphical representation of blockchain, etc.
ascii_field: because, after all, has video jack
ascii_field: http://www.cnx-software.com/tag/mini-pc/page/30 << buncha material re: these machines.
assbot: mini-pc | Page 30 ... ( http://bit.ly/1CC9qrK )
nubbins`: danielpbarron 8)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: ascii_field: keep your css fingers off my bitcoins
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: none of these things have rtc, i must note.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29557 @ 0.00051166 = 15.1231 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: thestringpuller: you can have the thing display 'screensaver' kaleidoscope if you like.
ascii_field: just, if you have vga, why not use.
nubbins`: pipe log to it 8)
trinque: I'm a sucker for cool viz
ascii_field: but the point stands - after several months of on and off searching, i did find a box which 1) is less than 2x cost of 'pogo' 2) very close in cpu and has NOT LESS ram than pogo 3) available in virtually unlimited quantities for the foreseeable future
ascii_field: on top of this, 4) from multiple competing vendors
nubbins`: toldja
ascii_field: it still remains to be seen 1) whether a sane linux port is possible for these 2) whether usb flash, of reasonable cost, can keep up - on these boxes - with blockchain.
ascii_field: and 3) whether these can be configured by users without resorting to black magic,
nubbins`: still, a promising sign
ascii_field: anyone who tries this - write in.
nubbins`: !s force-052-050.pdf
assbot: : http://s.b-a.link/?q=force-052-050.pdf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9309 @ 0.00052756 = 4.9111 BTC [+]
ascii_field: nubbins`: search is down
nubbins`: then i apologize if repost
nubbins`: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CCbIau )
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199067 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 04:24:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-052-050.pdf << carl force confiscations
ascii_field: ^ thread
nubbins`: ty
kakobrekla: search down but alf still works.
nubbins`: order of forfeiture listing btc addresses, wonder if that's a first?
ascii_field: nah that was in the earlier one
nubbins`: ah
nubbins`: couple minor lels:
nubbins`: "49.999 BTC in 1YCMDxDoYwRApGjyoPVi5onrN8JRLt383;"
nubbins`: sent 50btc, took tx fee out of it
nubbins`: later learned his lesson:
nubbins`: "400.00101 BTC in 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE;"
nubbins`: wow, typos in THREE of the listed addresses?
trinque: I'll never be able to understand how someone working for an entity with a goddamn NSA thought he'd get away with it.
trinque: the whole thing stinks of bullshit
ascii_field bought a few of these boxes, of different makes
ascii_field: for subscribers of 'amazon', if you go for hong kong you can get one of the clones for ~$6 each (incl postage)
phf: ascii_field: novena's "open" is identity thing. kind of like "maker" means a person who buys lego pieces from adafruit website and then connects them using a tutorial. it just means that the buying demographic are the same people who have a handful of o'reilly books and run ubuntu
punkman: http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo-fbi-son-tweet-death-threat/
assbot: Donald Trump Calls in FBI Over Death Threats Involving El Chapo | TMZ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1Nxmr )
ascii_field: phf: aha
ascii_field: phf: 'make magazine disease'
ascii_field: phf: meanwhile, actual-open disappeared as a thing from the world
ascii_field: and perhaps a dozen people noticed.
nubbins`: perhaps a dozen cared to begin with
nubbins`: actually cared, not "signed this change.org petition" cared
ascii_field: the rest will only contemplate 'caring' when the dildoes stop buzzing
mod6: !up ascii_field
phf: well, it was a recent mp thread, that i'm going to butcher, since i don't grok it fully yet, but it was something about how presence of the word already indicates the failure of described concept
ascii_field: aha, sorta like if it were usual for a bakery to advertise 'shit-free bread'
phf: "doesn't contain asbestos!"
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-embassy-used-as-safe-haven-during-ukraine-uprising-investigation-finds-1.3148719
assbot: Canadian embassy used as safe haven during Ukraine uprising, investigation finds - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1OYRX )
nubbins`: unrelated: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arseniy-yatsenyuk-stephen-harper-to-sign-canada-ukraine-trade-deal-tuesday-1.3149875
assbot: Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Stephen Harper to sign Canada-Ukraine trade deal Tuesday - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O1P5wI )
ascii_field: l0l!
ascii_field: what do the urks intend to sell ?
ascii_field: stray dogs, for soap ?
ascii_field: themselves, idem ?
punkman: babies to all the new gay families?
nubbins`: O.O
punkman: oh wait it has been legal for a while in canada?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-April/037549.html << lulzy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDX1Qd )
trinque: ascii_field: lol @ the "bad exit node" whack-a-mole
ascii_field: i especially love how nobody suspects the isp
ascii_field: who could just as easily be the one to have fallen into the honeypot 'fake btc exchange login'
ascii_field: or the sheer militant idiocy in proclaiming the other exits innocent (by implication)
punkman: also https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/3a3ckb/introducing_new_bitcoin_mixertumbler_payshield_by/
assbot: Introducing new Bitcoin Mixer/Tumbler: PayShield by Sigaint : onions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HE0caB )
punkman: Signed, SIGAINT Administration, Ministry of Darknet Finance
trinque: "guys look we're fighting the good fight against teh fedz! also pls to be using our tumbler!"
trinque: uh huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26897 @ 0.00053586 = 14.413 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
scoopbot_revived: UK Student Convicted On Darknet Drugs Purchase http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-student-convicted-on-darknet-drugs-purchase/
ascii_field: nubbins` ^
ascii_field: and other 'it is not illegal to get a parcel with dope' folks ^
cazalla: i actually found the guy on steam, waiting for him to come online to ask if he confessed under duress (i don't really expect much of an answer)
ascii_field: typically, being accused is duress enough
punkman: "confess and you only get community service"
ascii_field: just same now as in inquisition 500 yrs ago.
ascii_field: 'confess and you get penance'
trinque: I remember being taught that the evil USSR forced confessions...
ascii_field: no more and no less than the example here.
trinque: yep, wondering aloud where this "good" other side might be
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198641 << looks like this one was made for the occasion. student l0lpr0ject? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 17:06:21; lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Joe Schmuckley; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5#928C2E1186A73348A919DFD04535B989BDD9497C80AE2DC96788955BFB99ECC9>
punkman: ascii_field, was it a direct submission?
punkman: http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01
assbot: The Sh&#156;string Foundation Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1M72vtT )
ascii_field: punkman: it appears to be in the sks data set
ascii_field: how it got there, is anyone's guess
punkman: ^ someone found Joe before
ascii_field: ^ does anyone have evidence that this text existed prior to may 20 ?
punkman: wayback machine has it
punkman: http://web.archive.org/web/20041119061023/http://shoestringfoundation.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2004/07/01
assbot: The Bin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BxzP )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55653 @ 0.00053068 = 29.5339 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66347 @ 0.0005111 = 33.91 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html ☟︎
assbot: Josh Wieder: Wikileaks Global Intelligence File Dump is Loaded With Malicious Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1M73muP )
trinque: very interesting.
trinque: "As of this writing (3PM @ 7-13-2015) Wikileaks continues to provide a torrent file with an identical timestamp, filename and byte size as the one I analyzed without any warning message notifying users of the danger of handling the files."
pete_dushenski: another one via josh : http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.7476
assbot: [1303.7476] Conspiratorial cosmology - the case against the Universe ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74yOL )
trinque: side note of... people gotta learn to UTC or specify time zone on the internet
pete_dushenski: "Based on the cosmological results of the Planck Mission, we show that all parameters describing our Universe within the \Lambda CDM model can be constructed from a small set of numbers known from conspiracy theory. Our finding is confirmed by recent data from high energy particle physics. This clearly demonstrates that our Universe is a plot initiated by an unknown interest group or lodge. We analyse possible
pete_dushenski: scenarios for this conspiracy, and conclude that the belief in the existence of our Universe is an illusion, as previously assumed by ancient philosophers, 20th century science fiction authors and contemporary film makers."
pete_dushenski is reading the paper now
punkman: " Journal of Comparative Irrelevance"
trinque: heh!
pete_dushenski: it's a joke ?
punkman: doesn't seem to exist unfortunately
pete_dushenski: sure it does.
pete_dushenski: it's just called 'journal of epidemiology'
pete_dushenski: or 'journal of behavioural economics'
pete_dushenski: same concept.
trinque: April 1, 2013
trinque: also copyright "dada" may be part of the joke
punkman: http://lolmythesis.com/
assbot: lol my thesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1M74X3w )
pete_dushenski: heya mp
mircea_popescu: heya!
pete_dushenski: someone's excited to be here :)
mircea_popescu: what's new ?
pete_dushenski: it's hot as shit here. 30C+
mircea_popescu: very pleasant 12ish here
pete_dushenski: a bit cool, but really quite livable for the south's 'january'
mircea_popescu: yeh i have no comp;laints
pete_dushenski: also, i just brought back the old skool razr phone into service
pete_dushenski: black
pete_dushenski: it's insanely cool.
punkman: 12c, are they all wearing heavy coats and furs now?
pete_dushenski: the razr really makes me wonder why people with laptops or desktops would have 'smartphones'
mircea_popescu: punkman like you wouldn't believe
pete_dushenski: is there an argentinian equivalent to the canadian 'toque' ?
mircea_popescu: everyone's office in microcentro is like, you know, 1/4 mile away at most, i usually go around in a suit. you'd think i'm in swimming trunks for the looks teh women give out.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc that's a roman thing. but they wear coats and gloves and shit, it's ridiculous.
pete_dushenski: i seem to recall that women covering their heads the way we think 'muslims' do is in fact a byzantine tradition, but not sure about the men.
punkman: ;;ud toque
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toque | toque. the ultimate in high Canadian fashion. worn year round whether it's cold or warm outside. and yes it does get warm in Canada! "I never leave the house ...
mircea_popescu: eastern, i think it predates the byzantines
pete_dushenski: punkman http://globedia.com/imagenes/noticias/2014/1/15/moda-invierno-2014-chicos-dsquared2_4_1956833.jpg << the highest of high fashions
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M75UZM )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu makes sense
punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/heinz-forced-to-apologise-after-qr-code-on-ketchup-bottle-linked-to-hardcore-porn-site-10327313.html
assbot: Heinz forced to apologise after QR code on ketchup bottle linked to hardcore porn site - News - Food and Drink - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1M75ZwA )
pete_dushenski: baahhahah
pete_dushenski: too cheap to register the domain name for as long as the product isn't expired.
punkman: does Heinz even expire?
trinque: "Taking advantage of the free advertising, Fundorado also comment on the photo, and offered Korell a free year's subscription." << epic lols
pete_dushenski: punkman even if it doesn't, they still have to list one by law
pete_dushenski: not like kraft singles ever go bad either, still have label requirements
pete_dushenski: "Newly released records show the federal [canadian] revenue agency has written off at least $4 billion in debts in the last two years"
pete_dushenski: "The outstanding balance in undisputed, unpaid taxes was $29 billion as of March 31, 2012"
punkman: was it loans to Greece?
pete_dushenski: probably just canadian greeks using their deferred tax payments to buy real estate on mykonos 'while it's cheap' and getting roasted
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UXCBWlW.gifv
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TyBb9h )
punkman: there is no real eastate on mykonos
pete_dushenski: thus the scam!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar
gribble: Error: 'mykonos' is not a valid positive floating point number.
mircea_popescu: ;;google buy mykonos real estate invest business serious professional scholar
gribble: Why You Should Be Investing Your Money In Real Estate: <http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/228506>; Investing in Commercial Real Estate - Entrepreneur: <http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/196042>; Real estate investing vs. buying a business (tenant, 7 ...: <http://www.city-data.com/forum/real-estate/1362608-real-estate-investing-vs-buying-business.html>
mircea_popescu: right.
punkman: heh
cazalla: http://blogs.wsj.com/bankruptcy/2015/07/13/rapper-50-cent-files-for-bankruptcy/
assbot: Rapper 50 Cent Files for Bankruptcy - Bankruptcy Beat - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1M76NBx )
punkman: worth what it says on tin ^
punkman: not bad
pete_dushenski: i guess his little cameo in 'spy' didn't cut the escalade-flavoured mustard
punkman: "he was supposed to appear in a New York state court to determine whether he owes punitive damages in a 2010 lawsuit filed by Lastonia Leviston, rapper Rick Ross’s ex-girlfriend"
punkman: more sextape
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199706 << Run Moar Winblowz!! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 22:45:12; punkman: http://www.joshwieder.net/2015/03/wikileaks-global-intelligence-file-dump.html
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-07-2015#1199704 << he used ordinary sks, as far as i can tell. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-07-2015 22:39:20; punkman: "Peter Palfrader supplied us with the key" << maybe ask this guy for some more keydumps
asciilifeform: quite enough keys 'to eat with one's arse'
punkman: asciilifeform: historical copies might also be interesting
asciilifeform: punkman: theoretically, keys are never removed
asciilifeform: finding this, alone, would be newsworthy
asciilifeform: (that is, evidence that any historical copies are anything other than subsets of the current snapshot)
punkman: would be interesting to diff 2004 sks dump with 2015
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: keys that are altered or missing would be insta-newz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55399 @ 0.00052554 = 29.1144 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if anybody in my wot has such a snapshot - please write in.
punkman: "Going forward, Greece will have to stash its assets in a specially created fund and prepare them for sale “under the supervision of the relevant European Institutions,” “That may include buildings, possible areas of land, and even islands,” he says."
punkman: "To protect the natural, historical and archaeological value of such real estate, Greece would need to pass laws and empower oversight bodies to make sure that “the new owner does not abuse or damage the property,” "
asciilifeform: rapetime, aha
mircea_popescu: lawl.
punkman: "The idea of selling the Acropolis came up early in Greece’s debt crisis. In 2010, two conservative German lawmakers caused a furor in Greece by suggesting that ancient ruins should not be off limits to privatization. "
mircea_popescu: so the euros do not wish the russians to buy this ?
mircea_popescu: neways, after all the "dignity" talk, are these supposed people of greece actually beheading the politicos in front of the temple ? or ?
punkman: oh no, they already said Tsipras should stop talking to Putin, the Enemy of All Things European
mircea_popescu: "we had a referendum, said no. you agreed with the euros. here's your death sentence. it covers your parents and offspring"
mircea_popescu: beheading five year olds similarly should not be off limits, what's zee german conservatives say ?
mircea_popescu: rich cultural heritage and all that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64456 @ 0.0005038 = 32.4729 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i suppose dignity's a lot like property, erryone's more than happy to claim it for as long as it's free.
asciilifeform: they behead, the trucks full of freebies stop coming.
punkman: no time for dignity now, have to work on penance
asciilifeform: and other trucks come instead
mircea_popescu: dude, but the dignitit.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a forebrain syllogism, they know this with their arse
asciilifeform: just like the rest of the 'civilized' world
asciilifeform: and, esp., its outskirts
mircea_popescu: i'd do it, honestly.
asciilifeform: easy, when you don't need the 'normality' for anything.
mircea_popescu: not nearly enough beheaded politicos in a whole decade to pay for one single week.
punkman: we kinda run out of terrorist in the last few years
punkman: *terrorists
trinque: shortages everywhere... *sigh*
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: zing.
pete_dushenski: except in syria
punkman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Organization_17_November#Victims ☟︎
assbot: Revolutionary Organization 17 November - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1M77WsV )
mircea_popescu: aite, so then time to move the greeks off to the zoo.
asciilifeform: they were ever out of the zoo ?
mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: last time i was in athens, these objectionable things were all over the acropolis, filling the cafes, pretending they're like human beings an' everything.
mircea_popescu: apparently i wasn't the only foreigner disgusted by the display.
asciilifeform: which ?
mircea_popescu: teh locals
pete_dushenski: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/48967.html << 'Shoeshine boy trading club, China chapter' is a kid on... bitcoinwisdom
assbot: Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Sic Transit Gloria China ... ( http://bit.ly/1M782Rm )
pete_dushenski: bananacoin trader