tmsr - Search: uci

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, supposedly because you have good automated fallbacks people can't be bothered to write themselves. sorta early handcranked UCI.

asciilifeform in fact encountered several working cases of 'uci'-style nets, set up by various folx, for this

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.

BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.

asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.

asciilifeform: aaand pretty much 90% of mircea_popescu's 'uci' ( i.e. you can plant this wherever, and get artificial 'box' w/ specified os & proggies... )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919585 << i was thinking from ' mircea_popescu's uci ' angle. ( btw anyone familiar with linked item ?? did it work ? ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: so per mircea_popescu's model, problem of 'btc bazar' is 'uci-complete' ?

asciilifeform: (for instance 1 possible application is mircea_popescu's 'uci'...)

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'm still curious what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'ada machine' << 128 bit MIPS 1, 2, 8, or 72 cores at 800, 1600, or 3200 mhz when purpose backed. Otherwise 128 bit for the UCI address space.

mircea_popescu: though i suppose the proper name'd be http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci

asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observation was mainly re uci , where enemy model is 'some % of nodes captured and instrumented by hitler'

asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu's scheme readily scales to the earlier 'uci' item

mircea_popescu: in fact, the proper sources of tmsr hardware are, in order, a) confiscated usg hardware and b) its own iron outside the reich. that 2017 ended with 0% a and 0% b, and 2018 will likely end with 0%a and whatever%b has no bearing on this : there's always 2019, there's always uci, etcetera.

mircea_popescu: !#s UCI

mircea_popescu: douchebag dood is building the UCI before we even have it lmao.

mircea_popescu: the connection between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787279 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233 and, of course, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci is that no, they wouldn't be separate processes (and no, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783826 hasn't gone anywhere) but SEPARATE MACHINES. ☝︎☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.

mircea_popescu: in fact, i'd even declare it an absolutely required bit of republican computing, as such. because it does make a first step towards the specifically stated uci goal, "location ambiguity"

mircea_popescu: !#s UCI

mircea_popescu: in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 04:46 ben_vulpes: hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136

mircea_popescu: prolly something like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+UCI best entry point. hey ben_vulpes why is http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=UCI&c=trilema only find 15 items ?!

mircea_popescu: ing widely available ( see eg http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/#footnote_2_73491 ), but it can't possibly end there. and in all fairness, the uci as properly understood (see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688642 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687638 and so on) is definitely just this ia thing, one layer above bulldozer per se). ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: im hiring a uci. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:06 mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"

asciilifeform: i read the original uci proposal as straight weapon of us vs them

mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts" ☟︎

trinque: the imaginary observer before whom the whole UCI topology sits, with equal results for all-comers

trinque: asciilifeform: sounds like you're thinking of UCI as one giant virtual machine atop which godman inca runs his programs

mircea_popescu: what, that they happened over freenode rather than over gossipd ? that the latter is "not properly uci" ?

mircea_popescu: back to the topic : the idea is to have properly arranged owned boxes. this will include gossipd as a basis, uci on top of that if the OWNer opts to, bitcoind on top of that likely, a devenv, whatever.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, loser can just let uci churn, watch his bitcoin acrete. why not.

mircea_popescu: uci does not convey OWNership of box but permits USAGE thereof.

asciilifeform: this is an entertaining idea ( though i predict that the typical luser will run ever the moar quicker to the new hdd shop from it ) but was not in mircea_popescu's classical uci spec.

asciilifeform: in original description of uci, was described as 'cpu cycle by the pound' sort of affair

asciilifeform: there is a separate problem pertaining to uci, that does not reduce strictly to 'nat problem'

mircea_popescu: but whosoever does connect, puts in tmsr, ie, gossipd + uci whatever.

asciilifeform: it is also a problem pertinent to, e.g., mircea_popescu's 'uci' and for that matter all botnet

asciilifeform: possibly we had this thread, but asciilifeform's unpublished, failed stab 'at bitcoin' decade+ ago was , more or less, 'uci running martianbank'

asciilifeform: this uci thing, is one of those items that is wholly trivial but for ONE unsolved boojum, quite like, e.g., roomtempsupercon

mod6: Perhaps people can donate hardware for whatever purpose trb, uci/gossip via deedbot; then could be accounted for by some process while under our control; maybe even listed as "asset"?

asciilifeform: ( lessay you had to put one in a very... tight space. e.g. 'uci' payload... )

mircea_popescu: vorwarts, to the uci!

mircea_popescu: what system exists without physical component ? something running on uci ?

mircea_popescu: bitcoin+gossipd+uci -> pretty much time to say goodnight.

mircea_popescu: then all the ad-hoc uci impls doing full disk encryption for maerks could be actually useful.

mircea_popescu: nah. candi_lustt is a by hand, limited implementation of something that could be deemed uci in the sense of the donkey-powered shower.

sina: mircea_popescu: so is UCI just candi_lustt + an interface you can pay for resources via?

mircea_popescu: see the early discussion re it in the log, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI it's well described

a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:24 Framedragger: uci == universal computing interface? something something infrastructure on demand at your irc fingertips, right (ironically google is failing me)

mircea_popescu: !#s UCI

mircea_popescu: if only we had teh uci already ;/

mircea_popescu: if you're going to actually build uci, go right ahead. all intel servers are at your disposal.

asciilifeform: and also not very useful without a secret (uci!11) net of proxies

mod6: and we could track things easier instead of having to have it be a formal role. but with the new version, seperate projects can have different users, so for instance, if UCI wants a stenographer, then the project admin can just add the steno to the UCI users table. volla.

asciilifeform: in other lulz, guess wat mircea_popescu , meet usg's vapourware uci ! : https://golem.network

asciilifeform: maybe, who the fuck knows, collect enough data re winblows rng defects, via a future 'uci', to break satoshi's keys.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up.

mircea_popescu: some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun see anything 'uci' about it -- looks like a script that serves up a shell? 1990s parlour trick

mircea_popescu: some kind of non-republican uci attempt ?

trinque: deploying other people's code into a logbot service sounds pretty UCI to me

mod6: Something just to start the thought of what to do about all of this. Maybe there is even some folding into a UCI with this, not sure.

mircea_popescu: haha - eternal gentoo flame. "here's thins thing that you have to uci-compile"

Framedragger: uci == universal computing interface? something something infrastructure on demand at your irc fingertips, right (ironically google is failing me) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: after uci.

mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha. building the uci from the floor up!

Framedragger: i see that http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html doesn't have an 'owner' field - can sometimes be a useful thing, no?

mircea_popescu doesn't believe in this whole virtualization thing as implemented by cloud/vps/etc. the only virtualization that makes sense to me is via teh uci.