mod6: lobbes: great job on getting trb going, and on tying up all the ends so if anyone hits that same problem again!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 13:44 mother[m]: Going forward I wanted to pivot to Keybase Teams.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 16:47 mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 17:00 mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:48 mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:52 mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 22:01 ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not physically possible ; everyone's born a virgin.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was asking him not speaking to my own knowledge
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, i thought you were discreetly suggesting not to try.
ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
mircea_popescu: that's +76 moduli, +50 factors (35% increase). a most interestign crop.
mircea_popescu: much more productive in terms of new-factors density, huh.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that between 4th of may and 6th of may it churned ~2mn moduli and cracked 76 is, in the terms, context and for the mind of us limp dick "researchers" nothing short of staggering.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, i suppose after the jurov set is also fed a new fermatting is in order ? considering there's a lot of new numbers to play with.
mircea_popescu: aha. so this is covered for what, about 2 weeks (tm) ?
mircea_popescu: funny how the "journalists" with "interests" are all covering the various broken ssh keys in the wild.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you mean a fresh sks dump ? are we running a server or how did that go ?
mircea_popescu: factors 236 << check that out! it practically doubled it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i suppose the fact of the matter is, as keys get added the likeliness of broken moduli staying secret drops... which may account for the seeming density increase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, ima try an' write this up after the two weeks. unless you want to ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, re hunt, i can't imagine why one'd just do either ssl or ssh. gotta do both really at the same time, why not.
mircea_popescu: see what machine exposes in .well-known/ ; and what it says on 443 just as well as on 22 or w/e.
mother[m]: mircea_popsecu definitely not ultrasound machinery. Two ways. One is you have drones on surveillance flights. What it does provide you is a lot of high-res overlapping imagery you can generate aerial footage and 3d models of. You can combine this with other seismic and geotech surveys taken. Another way is that you have drones able to retrieve samples on-site, leaving a surveyors role more on analysis. The cost reductions
ben_vulpes: what does the sample-taking equipment look like?
ben_vulpes: what's the sampler-system design, i mean
mother[m]: ben_vulpes haven't seen it myself yet so can't say.
☟︎ mother[m]: With Nadex, you're trading binary options and it's at market-set prices. Which is more than what I can say for quotes from Deribit for example. I agree on that about the bitcoin price signal. Do you see BTC trading to or past its highs this year?
mircea_popescu: mother[m], but they'd get very superficial samples neh ?
mircea_popescu doesn't know much about mineral survey, but oil at least, assays are all >100m.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin's natural value is somewhere in between 150% and 300% or so of the M3. so yes, i see bitcoin price exceeding the aggregate cash value of most countries.
mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ?
☟︎ deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
fromdeedbot: hey guys so I did register my RSA key to deedbot as "fromdeedbot" but i got it working. I'm learning a lot of things are new to me right now so please xcuse me ahead of time if i do something in bad from, it's not on purpose
lobbesbot: fromdeedbot: Sent 1 day, 2 hours, and 41 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> stop join/parting.
fromdeedbot: if i leave my irc window open it should just stay logged correct?
mircea_popescu: mkay. don't do the join/part thing, it pisses people off.
mircea_popescu: fromdeedbot, not reliably. why not get a client / bouncer set up ?
fromdeedbot: what do you guys think of apps being built on BCH?
mircea_popescu: so then you know nobody took the bitcoin crash lulz seriously.
fromdeedbot: bitcoin "crash" or bitcoin crashing, or bot
mircea_popescu: "bch". that thing where some busker in san francisco declared himself "emperor of america".
mircea_popescu: except with handpuppets and blockchains. but otherwise, same thing.
fromdeedbot: most "tokenized" use cases are not interested in building their own chain
mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is when 50%+1 of all energy production goes to mining ; there's absolutely no space for "alternate" coins other than an expensive luxury early on.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 07:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 06:56 mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 06:30 mother[m]: ben_vulpes haven't seen it myself yet so can't say.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 00:12 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't take my meaning. there can't be at the same time the case that a) "the cardinal of the set of factors is 259" and b) "419 in
http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 denotes the 419th factor". because if you have a 419th factor, howsoever serialized, the cardinal of the set of factors must be at least 419.
mircea_popescu: right you are ; i was missing that particular edge of braindamage from my mental model.
mircea_popescu: maybe time to add "factors of a single modulus" stat to stat page ?
mircea_popescu: you know, last time we relocated phuctor there were significant gains. this time, even more significant.
mircea_popescu: i basically hope we keep losing it. seems the more indermeddling, the stronger the republic.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 13:05 asciilifeform: there are 1.7mil+ moduli in the queue right now; if i fire the werker i expect that it will produce 8-900+ popped-moduli.
a111: 2017-04-09 <BenBE> But that's nothing left for today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so what's your prediction re the github set ? how many items even in there ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah, so not even a mn ? alright. aaand what's your prediction ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: hey, what other driver of progress, in republic as empire alike, can there even be.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem avoidable. Framedragger_ came and went, maybe the next one and maybe even the next after that. but eventualy it's getting settled, like everything else.
BingoBoingo: I mean what else are those phree boxes there for
mircea_popescu: in fact, the proper sources of tmsr hardware are, in order, a) confiscated usg hardware and b) its own iron outside the reich. that 2017 ended with 0% a and 0% b, and 2018 will likely end with 0%a and whatever%b has no bearing on this : there's always 2019, there's always uci, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: as a general rule, if it's satisfying, it's been taken.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in nitpicks today : if phuctor.nosuchlabs.com then also fuckgoats.nosuchlabs.com neh ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 05:59 jurov: "The flaw resides in the Infineon-developed RSA Library version v1.02.013, specifically within an algorithm it implements for RSA primes generation. "
deedbot: RagnarDanneskjol voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: 2018-01-24 <RagnarDanneskjol> Fraudsters? Please clarify
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 16:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah, so not even a mn ? alright. aaand what's your prediction ?
BingoBoingo: Aite, the local pharmacies are starting to swiftly become a redeeming factor. One handwritten note with my symptoms and zero expensive ObamaDeathPanel visits is all it took to get Trimetoprim/Sulfametoxazol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, tedious to get the pubkey out of shit like yubikey tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but they only distribute it to hitler's minions.
mircea_popescu: understand how "yubikey" works : hitlerist website buys a boatload, extracts pub/privkeys, sends to losers.
mircea_popescu: i suppose next someone cracks open one of these fetlifes, can dump the yubikey set this way. tho... very roundabout way of ghoing about things -- could as well just list the privkeys.
mircea_popescu: generally, producer doesn't want to be stuck with them.
mircea_popescu: whereas fucktarded importance-seeking "investors" of customer tend to imagine this makes them less likely to sink.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i meant yubi co, by producer, not whatever random chinese plant spitting these out and making the only money for the only actual economic activity involved.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not (as your purity seeking mind would prefer) one true magic bojum.
mircea_popescu: believe it or not, empire still runs on excel, empire still prefers the list 1, 3, 5, 7 to the generator n*2+1.
mircea_popescu: which are then specifically enumerated (yes, in an excel spreadsheet), with the respective associations, and then stored in a fucking "safe", ie a spurious hunk of metal that'd do nothing in any case.
mircea_popescu: then a "court-ordered" whatever the hell takes three weeks because the only person that even knew what an index is in the entire org quit over not wanthing to wear the corporate tshirt at the corporate event and so on.
trinque: asciilifeform: already explained that if the RSS is ever longer than 20 when checked, only 20 are coming through deedbot
trinque: naw, but iirc spyked has one coming, maybe he'll do the problem better justice
mircea_popescu: may be actually the best thing for nsa anyway. let people use the website.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 15:58 mircea_popescu: i basically hope we keep losing it. seems the more indermeddling, the stronger the republic.
trinque: well, "what did I have in tmux" etc
mircea_popescu: there's just this massive class of entirely spurious sacks of shit, want to "participate in leadership" for a living. nothing else, they earned their keep at the ballot box.
mircea_popescu: entirely the source of the vague spasms misrepresented by pantsuit into "public support for the electoral process" and "representative legitimacy" -- dorks who literally imagine they earn their 4 years' living by putting down an x once.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810463 << in other shit you won't believe : girl cleanned out her purse, as it was getting heavy. produced as a result a satchel of coins, which she shows me, "check this shit out". "whoa, that's like... almost a kg. go weigh it, i'm curious." so she goes weigh it, and the scale says... 877!
☝︎ mircea_popescu: yup, it's both a) the ideal medication for the sort of cold / gonorhea and b) readily available in sane lands.
mircea_popescu: that said, you should prolly still see a doctor if you actually suspect you had pneumonia ; the risk is survivant infection, gotta make sure you actually cleanse the bugs not merely reduce them to livable level.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 19:47 mircea_popescu: that said, you should prolly still see a doctor if you actually suspect you had pneumonia ; the risk is survivant infection, gotta make sure you actually cleanse the bugs not merely reduce them to livable level.
mircea_popescu: well, pneumonia is still a perfect way to die, even today. so yes, immediate response is necessary an' appropriate. but bear in mind that biseptol+paracetamol is field medicine, once back in town you're really supposed to go to a hospital and have some tailored cocktail made.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in weblulz, "ad by Scry We’re building a community of people who can predict the future. We are looking for people who can predict the future, possibly better than experts can. Join Us at Scry."
mod6: Who wants to rent the last Rockchip available rockchip @ Pizarro? Let us know! First come, first serve.
mod6: My rockchip has the FG hooked up, looking good.
jurov: asciilifeform: use the tarball as-is, i have not scanned more since
jurov: and users submit their keys generated outside github, they recommend ssh-keygen
mircea_popescu: in other news : bad teacher (cameron diaz doing her usual fare) is actually pretty good. racoon eyes not giving a shit, very 1990s hipster highschooler aesthetic.
esthlos: looking to cement understanding: with current V, file-level merges are impossible, but patches touching separate files can be applied sequentially. this way, it is possible, e.g., for different folx to work on separate parts of the project, and press there changes into one item.
esthlos: now let's say that the new philosophy file contains hash of all directory contents in lexographic order, onse per patch. As far as i can see, this forces the tree of vpatches to be strictly linear, since latest patch depends strictly on single previous patch
esthlos: so is this what's desired, or am I off the mark?
trinque: esthlos: that's incorrect, current V does not press all leaves
trinque: current V presses the patches walking upward from the "head" given as a parameter
trinque: the history file is indeed the chosen solution to the problem of tree fragmentation. all patches which are intended to have permanence in the v tree shall edit that file.
trinque: this oughtn't be enforced by the V implementation. operator might fully intend to *not* include a patch in the formal history of the project
trinque: experimental patches for example.
trinque: in current V, j had to *edit* items in both h and i to keep them in the set of pressed patches, if pressing to h
trinque: and this is appropriate. the way to solve the problem of "have to edit something in each desired antecedent" is to do that, edit something, the history file
trinque: if I haven't addressed what you're talking about though, please elaborate.
esthlos: I think I understand, though I may be being thick. what I'm describing is differnt
esthlos: if the new V defines the current state of the project as a single hash, then multiple parents (such as h, i, d, and j) becomes impossible
☟︎ trinque: it doesn't, so how did you get there?
trinque: you should ignore the "history" file notion entirely; it has no bearing on how your v-tron operates
trinque: it is a fact about correct operation of a V, and perhaps a V client does something to help the operator along "hey you didn't edit the history file, wild patch!" but does absolutely nothing differently. it's just another file.
trinque: sections of a given patch will yes, be parented on the previous, in a straight line, but this does not at all mean that the patch doesn't *also* have other parents, following the antecedent lines of the other files
trinque: the graph will still look similar to the png you linked, but with a singular line also running through it
mod6: as a side-note, my vtron when doing operations and graphing checks *all* edges.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 12:09 esthlos: to determine if b.vpatch descends from a.vpatch, my idea is to scan through b.vpatch and ensure that each ---(file,hash) matches some +++(file,hash) in a.vpatch. is this the standard procedure?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
trinque: esthlos: you are misunderstanding it entirely
trinque: parenthood is determined by the graph of patches as created by walking across the hashes *per file*
trinque: and it so happens that one is a history file.
esthlos: alright. What I don't understand, then, is mircea_popescu's response
☟︎ mircea_popescu: esthlos> looking to cement understanding: with current V, file-level merges are impossible << huh ?
trinque: esthlos: if I thought you'd gone that far afield, I would've asked you to do all this instead of a simple cleanup of interfaces
trinque: please do not try to attach complexity barnacles to the history file, because it seemed very important in logs, or something.
trinque: only thing that a V would even conceivably do related to "history" is indicate in "flow" that certain patches are not mainline, for lack of a history file edit
trinque: if I tell the thing to press to a signed patch, it should press, history file edited or not.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 23:13 esthlos: if the new V defines the current state of the project as a single hash, then multiple parents (such as h, i, d, and j) becomes impossible
trinque: aha, I haven't a clue how he got to "thus can merge"
mircea_popescu: aanyways ; i agree with trinque in that the "history file" needs not be considered by the v implementation as anything in particular. it's a usage convention not a special case.
mircea_popescu: so yes, a correctly implemented vtron has no history file notion.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 23:21 esthlos: alright. What I don't understand, then, is mircea_popescu's response
ben_vulpes: esthlos: did you read mod6 or asciilifeform's v implementations before writing yours?
esthlos: ben_vulpes: no, actually that's part of what asciilifeform encouraged me to do
mircea_popescu: apparently in my naivite i bestowed upon trinque a larger dollop than originally realised.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, what sort of barbarian, orcish, utterly insane and self-spiteful approach is this, whereby you set forth to do a thing without understanding the previous iterations of the thing you're doing ?!
mircea_popescu: crossdressing, for all the social stigma, cruising highway bathrooms looking for glory holes, for all the infection potential, sitting by a wall and banging your head against it, they're dubious behaviours, yes, but this fucking takes the cake. what, you hate yourself QUITE TO THAT DEGREE ?! why ? what did you ever do to yourself to take such umbrage with yourself ?!
esthlos: mircea_popescu: what I took away from your comment was that the philosophy file was to be used to determine vpatch ancestry, rather incorrectly it seems
mircea_popescu: the idea was that it'd work passively to determine order in afore-ambiguous situations.
esthlos: and wrt self hatred, I'm really at a loss. somehow it thought like a good idea
mircea_popescu: but doesn't the sadness of solipsism strike you ? it's not hard enough to have to go to war, you'll do it naked and barefoot and hope you can find some flint to make a spear before the vietcong finds you and gangrapes you ?!
mircea_popescu: they're there to help, not to hinder, all the accumulated piles of previous materiel. or does this not seem so ?
esthlos: indeed. I am rather lonely, in general
mircea_popescu: well yes, but you don;'t have to be. i get it, in general everything's crap, but dja think i'd even for a second have permitted it if it were ? the stuff about, it's all stuff that somehow survived the republican demolition frenzy. it's not just random gunk.
trinque: esthlos: so at least less to change about your v-tron right? though definitely *read* the others so you're more certain you understand what the thing is.
trinque: I intentionally aimed you at "fix the interfaces" because it appeared that was the thing most glaringly wrong with it, and not all this
trinque: it'd be a happy thing if I can stay with my welder in portage's innards while this happens and not have to end up doing that part myself
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i'm at a loss of what to say. but really, it's moving
esthlos: trinque: no, I didn't jump off the deep end without discussing it. I've already made the interface changes
esthlos: let me give it a once over, sign it, and send it your way
esthlos: haha does her collar say BBC?