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asciilifeform: aaand pretty much 90% of mircea_popescu's 'uci' ( i.e. you can plant this wherever, and get artificial 'box' w/ specified os & proggies... )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919585 << i was thinking from ' mircea_popescu's uci ' angle. ( btw anyone familiar with linked item ?? did it work ? ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: so per mircea_popescu's model, problem of 'btc bazar' is 'uci-complete' ?
asciilifeform: (for instance 1 possible application is mircea_popescu's 'uci'...)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'm still curious what mircea_popescu thinks of as 'ada machine' << 128 bit MIPS 1, 2, 8, or 72 cores at 800, 1600, or 3200 mhz when purpose backed. Otherwise 128 bit for the UCI address space.
BingoBoingo: Well, a sort of proto UCI
mircea_popescu: though i suppose the proper name'd be http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci
asciilifeform: if there were advances on the ideal-net-of-perfectly-redundant-boxes front ( as described in e.g. mircea_popescu's 'uci' piece ) conceivably there could be a place for such 'isp'. but it still cannot replace an actual cage where you can put actual sealed irons with custom fillings.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observation was mainly re uci , where enemy model is 'some % of nodes captured and instrumented by hitler'
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu's scheme readily scales to the earlier 'uci' item
mircea_popescu: in fact, the proper sources of tmsr hardware are, in order, a) confiscated usg hardware and b) its own iron outside the reich. that 2017 ended with 0% a and 0% b, and 2018 will likely end with 0%a and whatever%b has no bearing on this : there's always 2019, there's always uci, etcetera.
a111: 189 results for "UCI", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI
mircea_popescu: !#s UCI
douchebag: UCI?
mircea_popescu: douchebag dood is building the UCI before we even have it lmao.
la: UCI
mircea_popescu: the connection between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787279 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233 and, of course, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci is that no, they wouldn't be separate processes (and no, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783826 hasn't gone anywhere) but SEPARATE MACHINES. ☝︎☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i'd even declare it an absolutely required bit of republican computing, as such. because it does make a first step towards the specifically stated uci goal, "location ambiguity"
a111: 181 results for "UCI", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI
mircea_popescu: !#s UCI
mircea_popescu: in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 04:46 ben_vulpes: hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136
ben_vulpes: hue, even pax dickinson wants UCI now: https://twitter.com/CounterFund/status/898366181102555136 ☟︎
mike_c: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html
mircea_popescu: prolly something like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+UCI best entry point. hey ben_vulpes why is http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=UCI&c=trilema only find 15 items ?!
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html
mike_c: UCI?
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 18:44 mircea_popescu: im hiring a uci.
mircea_popescu: ing widely available ( see eg http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/#footnote_2_73491 ), but it can't possibly end there. and in all fairness, the uci as properly understood (see eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688642 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687638 and so on) is definitely just this ia thing, one layer above bulldozer per se). ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: im hiring a uci. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:06 mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"
asciilifeform: i read the original uci proposal as straight weapon of us vs them
mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts" ☟︎
trinque: the imaginary observer before whom the whole UCI topology sits, with equal results for all-comers
trinque: asciilifeform: sounds like you're thinking of UCI as one giant virtual machine atop which godman inca runs his programs
mircea_popescu: what, that they happened over freenode rather than over gossipd ? that the latter is "not properly uci" ?
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : the idea is to have properly arranged owned boxes. this will include gossipd as a basis, uci on top of that if the OWNer opts to, bitcoind on top of that likely, a devenv, whatever.
asciilifeform: that was my argument against the entire uci thing, recall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, loser can just let uci churn, watch his bitcoin acrete. why not.
mircea_popescu: uci does not convey OWNership of box but permits USAGE thereof.
asciilifeform: this is an entertaining idea ( though i predict that the typical luser will run ever the moar quicker to the new hdd shop from it ) but was not in mircea_popescu's classical uci spec.
asciilifeform: where does uci pool of available cpu cycles come from then
asciilifeform: in original description of uci, was described as 'cpu cycle by the pound' sort of affair
asciilifeform: i was still speaking of uci bots
asciilifeform: there is a separate problem pertaining to uci, that does not reduce strictly to 'nat problem'
asciilifeform: i.e. uci installs
mircea_popescu: but whosoever does connect, puts in tmsr, ie, gossipd + uci whatever.
asciilifeform: uci does.
asciilifeform: it is also a problem pertinent to, e.g., mircea_popescu's 'uci' and for that matter all botnet
asciilifeform: possibly we had this thread, but asciilifeform's unpublished, failed stab 'at bitcoin' decade+ ago was , more or less, 'uci running martianbank'
asciilifeform: this uci thing, is one of those items that is wholly trivial but for ONE unsolved boojum, quite like, e.g., roomtempsupercon
asciilifeform: i fully expect that most 'uci' install would be by hand.
mod6: Perhaps people can donate hardware for whatever purpose trb, uci/gossip via deedbot; then could be accounted for by some process while under our control; maybe even listed as "asset"?
asciilifeform: ( lessay you had to put one in a very... tight space. e.g. 'uci' payload... )
mircea_popescu: vorwarts, to the uci!
mircea_popescu: what system exists without physical component ? something running on uci ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin+gossipd+uci -> pretty much time to say goodnight.
sina: you mean, the ransomware bot shoudl have been UCI bots? haha
mircea_popescu: then all the ad-hoc uci impls doing full disk encryption for maerks could be actually useful.
mircea_popescu: nah. candi_lustt is a by hand, limited implementation of something that could be deemed uci in the sense of the donkey-powered shower.
sina: mircea_popescu: so is UCI just candi_lustt + an interface you can pay for resources via?
mircea_popescu: see the early discussion re it in the log, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI it's well described
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:24 Framedragger: uci == universal computing interface? something something infrastructure on demand at your irc fingertips, right (ironically google is failing me)
sina: UCI ?
a111: 134 results for "UCI", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=UCI
mircea_popescu: !#s UCI
sina: uci?
mircea_popescu: if only we had teh uci already ;/
mircea_popescu: if you're going to actually build uci, go right ahead. all intel servers are at your disposal.
asciilifeform: and also not very useful without a secret (uci!11) net of proxies
mod6: and we could track things easier instead of having to have it be a formal role. but with the new version, seperate projects can have different users, so for instance, if UCI wants a stenographer, then the project admin can just add the steno to the UCI users table. volla.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, guess wat mircea_popescu , meet usg's vapourware uci ! : https://golem.network
asciilifeform: maybe, who the fuck knows, collect enough data re winblows rng defects, via a future 'uci', to break satoshi's keys.
asciilifeform: https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_9535630.html << their version of mircea_popescu's 'uci'.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up.
mircea_popescu: some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun see anything 'uci' about it -- looks like a script that serves up a shell? 1990s parlour trick
mircea_popescu: some kind of non-republican uci attempt ?
trinque: deploying other people's code into a logbot service sounds pretty UCI to me
asciilifeform: it'll also go great with mircea_popescu's 'uci' and similar.
mod6: Something just to start the thought of what to do about all of this. Maybe there is even some folding into a UCI with this, not sure.
ben_vulpes: uci by any other name...
mircea_popescu: haha - eternal gentoo flame. "here's thins thing that you have to uci-compile"
Framedragger: uci == universal computing interface? something something infrastructure on demand at your irc fingertips, right (ironically google is failing me) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: after uci.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha. building the uci from the floor up!
tb0t: Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
Framedragger: i see that http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html doesn't have an 'owner' field - can sometimes be a useful thing, no?
mircea_popescu doesn't believe in this whole virtualization thing as implemented by cloud/vps/etc. the only virtualization that makes sense to me is via teh uci.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they have. it's called uci.
mircea_popescu: !!s UCI
mircea_popescu: if we had the uci ready, we could run republican dns on these.
asciilifeform: they're running obummer's uci.
mircea_popescu: should have prolly run uci on them rather. but of course no uci yet.
mircea_popescu: i jus' did, and best i can see it is sufficient, and how we'll do stuff like rsa encryption/decryption over uci once gossipd is here.
mircea_popescu: i'm not interested in the branching, will be happy to have a bignum machine that's securely separable via uci.
mircea_popescu: in other words : paillier in UCI over gossipd seems capable of bignum.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're on about. again : i want to multiply C1 by C2. I fire up the UCI, i ask C2 processes to add C1 to the result of the previous process adding C1 to the result of the...