mircea_popescu: well nobody forces you to use ssl.
asciilifeform: the 'fake newz', 'this site MAY HARM YOUR COMPUTER!1111', etc. are simply part of the inexorable march to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .
mircea_popescu: if only that shit worked, what a wonderful world would it be.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/uc78F << in related lulz.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2944...7291 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
jurov: http://fedscoop.com/hurd-crypto-debate-should-end << not the gnu hurd but some member
asciilifeform: jurov: i get a black screen
asciilifeform: but https://archive.is/xSlhy loads.
jurov: too many hoops jumping in thinking there to cite anything
trinque: I read it, dunno why I did
trinque: "yes we can" over and over
jurov: it felt like dude has disconnected hemispheres or something
jurov: !up RodrigoBTCF
asciilifeform: !!up RodrigoBTCF
deedbot: RodrigoBTCF voiced for 30 minutes.
RodrigoBTCF: Thanks, Jurov.
RodrigoBTCF: I will authenticate in a second
jurov: RodrigoBTCF: asciilifeform did it
mircea_popescu: it's an uppers party!
asciilifeform: jurov: the knobs are at http://bots.contravex.com (to which asciilifeform will admit he must refer to regularly, the two-char syntaxes are terrible imho )
RodrigoBTCF: Ready
shinohai: The bickening III
mircea_popescu: just scroll it on a dedicated lcd :D
trinque: even if we were doing deedbot: !!up guy people would moan about how they don't remember which bot does what
asciilifeform: it'll end up on dedicated chalkboard
trinque: or rather deedbot: up guy
trinque: inb4 bot semantic web
Framedragger: !%pp
tb0t: Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << i'ma have to make the factors clickable eventually. because this is mega-uninformative.
Framedragger: !%p t
tb0t: [!%p|!%print] <project> <id>
asciilifeform: (if it isn't obvious, the thing exists INSIDE some other mod)
Framedragger: !%print t
tb0t: [!%p|!%print] <project> <id>
Framedragger: !%pc
tb0t: Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
Framedragger: "i see" http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/739/fa5.jpg
Framedragger: phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/ says 301 -> http://btcbase.org/patches/NIL , the latter as appropriate to nil i guess 404's
Framedragger: !#s view tickets
a111: 2 results for "view tickets", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=view%20tickets
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-14#1298920 << just curious if anyone has been looking into this? trying to wrap my head around stuff-that-is-being-worked on :)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-14 20:13 asciilifeform: the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.
Framedragger: (there's probably been some further design work? and then asciilifeform probably has something written down, i imagine)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is actually largely done. but unreleased, will come after FUCKGOATS
Framedragger: !#s fuckgoats
a111: 5 results for "fuckgoats", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fuckgoats
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it had working title 'P'. think 'rpn calculator' and you -- mostly -- have it.
Framedragger: ahh. s.nsa; my god you people
mod6: Framedragger: are you trying to view a ticket for trb?
Framedragger: mod6: tbh am just fiddling around. i wanted a list of all tickets, and to be able to view every ticket separately, if that's even applicable
mod6: it won't do that, because, spam.
Framedragger: also i don't remember where on the web i can view this, if anywhere
Framedragger: right, fair enough!
mod6: if you wanna see all the tickets: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ take a look in there.
Framedragger: yeah i should PRIVMSG it anyway, i guess.
Framedragger: mod6: ah! ty!
mod6: i'm actually making a database currently for a possible private version in the future.
mod6: im tinkering with the database tables now actually.
asciilifeform: paaaaaaaatience folx
mod6: %p trb 1
mod6: christ.
mod6: !%p trb 1
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 1, Type: D, Subject: Wallet counts change amounts in total balance, Antecedents: , Notes: It has been wildly reported that version 0.5.4 (99999) of the Reference Implementation adds change from a given transaction to the wallet balance.
Framedragger: cool stuff.
mod6: anyway, trb takes my top efforts, but i'll fit this new t stuff in when I can for sure.
Framedragger: i'm mostly just lost between all the different pieces of the republican infrastructure :)
Framedragger: (which reminds me that i hinted of consolidating what i myself find into a wiki, which would be useful for folks, and never did that...)
Framedragger: at*
mircea_popescu: lol
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but pgp key itself would supply ciphers, right? yeah, cool stuff / makes sense.
Framedragger sleeps for now
mod6: ni ni
asciilifeform: Framedragger: well, pubkey, not 'pgp key'. but yes.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there was a long thread, somewhere in the logz it sits.
shinohai: What the hell is a PoC? https://twitter.com/SarahJamieLewis/status/801212011996557312
shinohai: person of color I suppose?
mircea_popescu: proof of cunt
shinohai: If you aren't queer or whatever I guess you can't write and get paid for them.
asciilifeform: re 'proof of cunt', one inescapably wonders why this important organ escaped the 'biometrics' craze
asciilifeform: where is that legend of legends, the cuntprint reader.
asciilifeform: the PoC-operated doorway. etc
phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
phf: all the sbcl friendly patching that i did in september was done on the server, live, under fire, so right now i'm just slowly retroactively vpatching the code, at which point i can move onto the outstanding issues
asciilifeform: i have nfi what specifically phf did to his logtron, but it mostly worx now!!
asciilifeform: ( at one point asciilifeform was convinced that phf must be running his logtron on winblowz 98 or similar ! )
trinque: lel
trinque: such compliment
asciilifeform: but that was then !!
trinque: phf: can has way of linking first spoken line of a nick?
phf: it got stable as soon as i stopped worrying about it
trinque: that's what I did with deedbot; forgot about it and the gods favored me.
asciilifeform: trinque, phf: iirc the ancient logz are not yet in..?
asciilifeform: (so it'd then show inaccurate 'first spoke's)
trinque: still would be right endpoint that eventually would be honest?
mircea_popescu: yes but you prolly don't actually want it before he does the import
phf: asciilifeform: that's the first task after i vpatch the code. i basically started doing that on live server, got as far as loading the logs into memory, and realize that i can't change what's there without testing it, which means i need to backport everything into my dev environment. blah blah blah
phf: trinque: how's the interface supposed to look? /log-first-message?nick=foo and it gives you html rendering? or text/plain in kako format? or?
trinque: a guy clicks a link on the wot browser and he's kicked to a page which highlights the message.
trinque: so day page plus the anchor link which identifies the line
phf: oh oh
trinque: select * from log order by created at limit 1
phf: trinque: http://btcbase.org/log-first-post?nick=trinque
trinque: nice!
trinque: where are these ancient logs, anyway?
phf: in logs
trinque trips on an enso
phf: i think it's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444829☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
trinque: in completely other lol, apparently the ppc macs have a vestigial serial port
trinque: phf: so like, import them, man.
trinque thinks the serial diode as described by asciilifeform is appropriate for deedbot wallet.
trinque: thing can barf gpg'd OTP one direction, can receive OTP from another
trinque: lest anyone thing I'm tipping my hand, I don't think the thing can work at all unless the mechanism by which it works can be made public.
mircea_popescu: certainly open internals is the golden standard for safety machinery.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> probably << For some definitions thereof. Do have the smoking thing.
mats: https://ramtin-amin.fr/#nvmepcie
asciilifeform: mats: pretty neat
asciilifeform: lel re how they stuffed entire comp into the 'nand'
asciilifeform: with own os etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571797 << trinque does that thing ever update??☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html << thing's coming along.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1704...9563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; '
trinque: asciilifeform: it will.
trinque: what's up currently was a single shot of the tool
trinque just wandered home from drinking with some suit-wearing creatures he just met at a local pub.
trinque: suffice it to say that this country does not produce anyone worth "networking" is a thing.
trinque: *with whom
trinque: but y'know, got some free cigarettes out of the deal, so as usual, net gain
mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: it will. << this thing is awesome btw!
mats: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/us-navys-most-expensive-destroyer-breaks-down-in-panama-canal
shinohai: Been a bad year for the US Navy
mats: can't wait to see what 2017 has in store for DoD
shinohai: A Trumpreich DoD should provide a steady stream of entertaining lulz no doubt.
mircea_popescu: trinque the whores are ok. the "elites"... not so much.
mircea_popescu: mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are.
mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572407 <<< no☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell davout is your www down ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/us-celebration-of-consumerism-begins/ << Qntra - US Celebration Of Consumerism Begins
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << eh it isn't as if panama were a sovereign country. usg takes what it wants there, incl. presidents☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
asciilifeform: (noriega is still rotting in american jail)
asciilifeform: sorta why chinese canal is supposedly in the works (iirc -- in nicaragua, under protection of cn navy)
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/VZIw6 << from same fishwrap
asciilifeform: 'People in the myriad “alt-right” communities that have flourished online in recent years are also expressing their displeasure that Trump appears to have abandoned the most extreme of his policies – at least for now – such as building a wall and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.'
asciilifeform: !#s zhirinovsky
a111: 18 results for "zhirinovsky", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zhirinovsky
shinohai: Why build wall when Mexicans will just continue to play dig-dug.
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'wall' was a catch-all name for the (economically impossible) notion of bringing back 1952
asciilifeform: where white folk work in factories, on farms, etc.
asciilifeform: ditto the 'bring J0BZZZ!!!! back from china' thing
asciilifeform: (how many american folx are ready to pay $500,000 for a 'ford' ?)
mircea_popescu: ohohoh 1k pss from ord
asciilifeform: that's approx. (~very~ conservative estimate!) what it would cost if it were made with 0 chinese input.
mircea_popescu: whoops lol
asciilifeform: lel i was about to ask, what's a pss and where is ord
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1050 * 262 * 2.2
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1050 * 262 * 2.2 = 605220
mircea_popescu: ^ almost a bitcent. really a bitcent if premiums are included.
asciilifeform: in other ( https://archive.is/WOLLO ) lulz, 'When you take a look at the implementation of /dev/random in [freebsd] 11.0 you will notice that with the support of the new random algorithms (fortuna has replaced yarrow), there is also support to feed the entropy with a write call to /dev/random. The 10.x releases do not support this write call. The man page previously said for 10.3 that writes will be silently ignored and in the 11.0 m
asciilifeform: an page this passage has been removed.'
asciilifeform: SILENTLY IGNORED, gold
asciilifeform: ( and in case anyone forgot, the above is to be seen in light of https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2015-02-18/freebsd-random-number-generator-vulnerability )
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: btw if anyone is looking for something to do, getting hold of a copy of diddled freebsd and generating several hundred thousand ssh and pgp keys, would be spiffy
asciilifeform has been planning to do this for most of a year now, but has not enough hands
BingoBoingo: In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: once a refugee...
BingoBoingo: The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis...
BingoBoingo: Well settled isn't right word
Framedragger: asciilifeform: looks like some folks may have generated ssl certs this way, too...
Framedragger: would be nice to run a netcraft-like service which observes all searchable internet's certificates..
Framedragger: /me dreams
mircea_popescu: not even that expensive.
BingoBoingo: ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor.
BingoBoingo: brb
trinque: Framedragger: it'd be a step towards a republican search engine too
mircea_popescu: eep.
trinque: something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful
trinque: decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit
Framedragger: i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too..
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here.
trinque: given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs"
trinque: unfairness makes the world so manageable
Framedragger: trinque: L2 here means two edges away from logs?
trinque: correct
mircea_popescu: in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE
mircea_popescu: and obviously signed:mp&signed:alf ; or signed:mp||signed:alf etc
mircea_popescu: just make a special field "readworthy" in your dns.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former?
mircea_popescu: nah works just like !!rate. currently someone pops in, people !!up him, if he's not obnoxious gets a courtesy rating or two.
mircea_popescu: same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy
mircea_popescu: or two
Framedragger: ah right.
mircea_popescu: give trinque 's idea a bit of a kick, basically. just because something was mentioned here doesn't automatically mean it's worth reading ; though it IS a sign it exists.
Framedragger: the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing.
mircea_popescu: so that way you can more finely weigh the sites.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-14#1273498 << and it would satisfy this perfectly.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
mircea_popescu: quite so
mircea_popescu: Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question.
mircea_popescu: gns is not dns ; it will hold any symbols you realise.
Framedragger: sure
Framedragger: so it'd just be another name
mircea_popescu: so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me.
Framedragger: (btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does; it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same; types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!)
mircea_popescu: i don't think it does. i just say it should.
Framedragger: yeah, i mean, sounds good.
mircea_popescu: whole piece of shit is a repugnant midden of magic crap
mircea_popescu: that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*.
mircea_popescu: you know what'd happen if women had no legs ? all sidewalks would be covered in slime lines. but do you know what happened once plebs were taught to read ? all fucking code is covered in slime lines.
asciilifeform: ^
Framedragger: heh.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger right, same difference.
Framedragger: right, convention.
mircea_popescu: technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey.
mircea_popescu: then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = trilema.com and goodreads = whatever
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: naggum had some imho interesting detail re 'magic numbers', and how they are not born from empty space, but are gangrenously oozed eternally by pathologically misdesigned systems where operator is FORCED to lie about foreknowledge of field sizes, types, etc.
mircea_popescu: now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works
mircea_popescu: plus we want something to work wth cs too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and he was right.
mircea_popescu: note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also.
mircea_popescu: it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)?
mircea_popescu: yes, i see no problem with that.
mircea_popescu: make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later.
Framedragger: i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous".
asciilifeform: 'as they are now' is catastrophically braindamaged
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i don't follow ?
mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
mircea_popescu: same principle.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous..
Framedragger: aha sure
Framedragger: so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes.
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: !!register CocksCocksBallsCocks
deedbot: mircea_popescu is already registered.
mircea_popescu: :p
trinque: ahahaha
Framedragger: sounds pretty neat!
trinque: oh wait
mircea_popescu: lol
Framedragger: "something terrible has happened"
mircea_popescu: this ranks way up there in the top 10 machine humour incidents
Framedragger: *mircea_popescu now permanently known as CocksCocksBallsCocks*
mircea_popescu: !~echo the shrieker shrieks
jhvh1: the shrieker shrieks
asciilifeform: btw 'fingerprint' is a enough of a catastrophic retardation that it deserves own thread
mircea_popescu: yeah it'll have to be fixed.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hence why you invented your own fp scheme for phuctor, right..
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone seriously proposes it can work.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor's scheme is sufficient for distinguishing pgp keys with same moduli but variant metafields from one another, and for no other purpose.
Framedragger: right.
mircea_popescu: this problem is harder than you realise, because eg, you don't know what publishing hash(privkey) leaks.
asciilifeform: it is quite inappropriate for battlefield pubkeys.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would you ever hash a privkey
mircea_popescu: because thatg's the only way you're guaranteed to not have the current gpg problem
mircea_popescu: where "something changes" but same hash
asciilifeform: if you must hash something, you hash pubkey
mircea_popescu: gah.
asciilifeform: (rsa pubkeys are one-to-one with privkeys)
mircea_popescu: with a few irrelevant exceptions.
asciilifeform: degenerates
mircea_popescu: i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%.
asciilifeform: but here's my cut of the knot: HASH LOCALLY
mircea_popescu: now, trade-offs that are reasonable can be made etc.
mircea_popescu: well of course locally ? or what do you mean ?
Framedragger: did someone say DEGENERATES? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4
asciilifeform: pubkey hashes are 'for in the harem' and not 'for in the forum'.
mircea_popescu: no i wasn't about to send pubkeys to freeonlinehashes.foryou
asciilifeform: i will carefully work out example:
asciilifeform: tmsrttp://6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/trilema/foo.html is imho wrong.
asciilifeform: 'key fingerprint' is a broken concept.
mircea_popescu: gns:// plox
asciilifeform: it cannot be fixed.
mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument re it being broken. point is - it exists, and can't be trivially fucked for now, so until replacement is made, can be used.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact - it IS used.
mircea_popescu: all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace.
asciilifeform: i say to replace it meaningfully, you gotta let go of the fundamental braindamage at the root of it.
asciilifeform: nope. of PUBKEY
asciilifeform: not a proctustization of same.
asciilifeform: *procrust
asciilifeform: do business with PUBKEYS, not FPs.
mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 1 i tell you it's by fp
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/mvv35/?raw=true
asciilifeform: remains -- lame.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp.
asciilifeform: and earlier by fleanode nick. because it imported the broken concepts of the empire.
mircea_popescu: found the "pubkey" entry, encrypted to it.
asciilifeform: one of them being - the fp.
asciilifeform: it is promisetronic.
mircea_popescu: yes well, to clean a room you gotta at some point stand on dirty floor.
asciilifeform: global indices of 'memorable' names, or 'safely' shortened rsa pubkeys, are promisetronic.
mircea_popescu: trinque would you be capable to migrate to indexing by pubkey numeric value ?
asciilifeform: the only ~protocolic~ answer is to do business with pubkeys. now you ~can~ shorten them 'in the harem'
mircea_popescu: he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu can still key in 'trilema' in his browser. but his nic will spit out entire pubkey.
trinque: mircea_popescu: if this is something I can jam into gpg at each call
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it.
trinque: or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'pgpdump' will extract handily.
asciilifeform: from ordinary rfc2440/4880 key.
asciilifeform: ditto phuctor.
trinque: and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages
Framedragger: jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess
mircea_popescu: it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem.
asciilifeform: btw when 'p' is out i will show folks who want to keep their old moduli, how
asciilifeform: (it isn't hard)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that's definitely getting replaced.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they are, and 'p' shoots it in the head.
Framedragger: sure.
Framedragger also wonders about pure rsa performance. guess we'll see :)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: most of the time folks spend 'waiting for rsa' in, e.g., gnupg, is spent waiting for the idiot /dev/random
trinque: sometimes people can think of two, even three fruits at a time!
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you don't believe this, go, profile it, see.
mircea_popescu: moreover not all fruits are blocking ; and some things are just good hygiene at low cost
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random?
mircea_popescu: not on freebsd at any rate.
mircea_popescu: or was it debian.
mircea_popescu: o wait...
asciilifeform: if yer /dev/random is fed by intel crapolade, then also
asciilifeform: or if whitened (is there a linux kernel where it isn't..?)
asciilifeform: or, or.
Framedragger: aha
Framedragger: https://archive.is/udCnD#selection-755.26-752.3 << just a lulzy headline
Framedragger: (ah discard the selection)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572699 << tbh doesn't sound right to me, the :// specifies a transport level protocol - so that i could do http:// or ftp:// or gopher://☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
Framedragger: (but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.)
mircea_popescu: yeah it wasn't serious.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com
asciilifeform initially assumed 'early april fool joke' but the thing shows symptoms of actually existing...
shinohai: Where `ICO` = " Initial Cask Offering "
asciilifeform: the concept ought to be carried to its logical conclusion -- e.g., why limit to 'high end' whisky, why not also give option to invest in rotgut 'penny stocks'
asciilifeform: which no doubt will flower as usa collapse marches on
asciilifeform: 'i'd like 10,000 shares of Night Train plox'
asciilifeform: '5,000 of Wild Southern Rose plz'
shinohai would buy Night Train shares
asciilifeform: 'When the economy collapses, hard-drinking people everywhere find all the more reason to get drunk, but much less wherewithal with which to procure drink. In Russia, innovative market-based solutions were quickly improvised, which it was my privilege to observe. ' << orlov's megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf.
shinohai: Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win.
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20010123231000/http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/cisco.txt << lel from BingoBoingo's old link
Framedragger: heheh they have a kind of solvency 'proof' - "How? The audit shows you the full list of WhiskyInvestDirect's user records. You will see that these public records contain your correct balances." - https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com/audit.do
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it appears to be run by folx who did 'allocated gold' etc.
Framedragger: good stuff!
asciilifeform: in fact, i found the link in a spam from 'bullionvault', to which i was once a subscriber
asciilifeform: they had very similar promisetron where you could 'view all of the balances'
Framedragger: heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9YGJAVQAAbQI7.jpg
asciilifeform: lul
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572500 << no bother at all / get better soon!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the 'cut the balls' link is a riotous lul btw
Framedragger: oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire)
mircea_popescu: which is that one ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: slavoj žižek
Framedragger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4
mircea_popescu: o
mircea_popescu is in a no video zone
Framedragger: ^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol)
Framedragger: !#s pervert's guide to ideology
a111: 0 results for "pervert's guide to ideology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pervert's%20guide%20to%20ideology
Framedragger: ^ decent flick of his
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was just a song, 'gotta cut their balls, cut their balls'
Framedragger: oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for)
Framedragger: ..ah: http://trilema.com/2011/imbecilul-filosofia-si-cinematografia/
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: wow i totally trashed this.
mircea_popescu: can you read it ?
Framedragger: no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist..
Framedragger: (i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..)
mircea_popescu: ima translate it, why not. brb.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-imbecile-philosophy-and-cinematography/ << Trilema - The imbecile, philosophy and cinematography
Framedragger: ^ nice! veri greitful fuor yor translašn. -eastern yuropean guy
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i trust it works better than google.
Framedragger: quite so! it does.
Framedragger: i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things...
shinohai: Google translate is why r/btc misinterprets miners as saying "Suck Roger Ver's cock"
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << you saying the panamanians are going to confiscate a USN ship?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants the fucking ship.
ben_vulpes: water in the power transmission bearings this time
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident.
ben_vulpes: using highly radioactive polywater!
mats: no no, its the chinese
mircea_popescu: saddam hussein had wmds.
mats: god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible
mats: xenophobia is the motherfucking answer!
mircea_popescu: the global warming consensus is that jews did wtc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory"
asciilifeform: speaking of world's largest and least defensible golden toilets, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maZdUtB0ojs << very very speshul one, public only recently
asciilifeform: 'flying pentagon'
asciilifeform: ^ film was, it seems, taken by some unnamed official given 'vip tour', includes everything from toilets, bedrooms, to 'sooper seekrit' knobs etc.
mats: interesting
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572807 << 1 shell for the mega-cannon probably costs 5mil. and a reload of all of the toilet paper holders on board -- perhaps the full 10.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why they're gonna pay.
ben_vulpes: the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the pictured plane -- there are supposedly ~four~ of
mats: hes probably referring to the f-35
asciilifeform: possibly. the ultimate platinum-iridium-diamond toilet.
ben_vulpes: mats has it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that monster flies, though
asciilifeform: iirc f35 also knew how to fly. for short bursts.
ben_vulpes: knew?
asciilifeform: well it was sold as a 'software-controlled, smart' whateverthefuck
asciilifeform: intrinsically-unstable surfaces, or what was it.
mats: too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own
mats: that'd complete the trifecta
asciilifeform: mats: how about war-in-afghan?
asciilifeform: or not project-enough.
mircea_popescu: really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks
ben_vulpes: the v8 donkey!
mircea_popescu: god knows us military stole everything else from georg lucas
mats: lol
asciilifeform: aha! and was in fact described in j. sladek's (1980s) 'tiktok'
mircea_popescu: imagine you know, a 200mn a piece, 500 ton bipedal battle tank
asciilifeform: army wanted too! so build a land carrier.
asciilifeform: on wheels.
mircea_popescu: easily defeated by swamps, thunderstorms etc.
asciilifeform: which then broke down.
ben_vulpes: in other trumpargentwat/international great again: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cashing-in-bigly-in-argentina
mats: http://nypost.com/2016/11/22/man-accused-of-trying-to-push-commuter-onto-tracks-for-being-white
ben_vulpes: given how tight-lipped nyc has traditionally been with "pushed onto tracks" numbers, "rash" is unjustified.
mats: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e74_1448740839
mats: this white nationalism stuff is entertaining++
mats: 'forgive yourself'
asciilifeform: what does mats recommend instead - wagner+cyanide ?
trinque: so communist... "American President-Elect is in trouble for trying to make money with his legal business!"
mats: asciilifeform: i like the sound of that
asciilifeform: trinque: see, he forgot to declare it a FOUNDATION... then it'd be a-ok
asciilifeform: esp if he were named clinton
ben_vulpes: 501c3's show profit nao?
asciilifeform: lol profit
mats: the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous
asciilifeform: so long as the books sum to 0, can have luxury hookers made of caviar at the foot of every golden toilet in the office
ben_vulpes: what if one has enough of those
asciilifeform: iirc the thing one does when 'enough of those' is to eat one's shotgun
asciilifeform: (see kobain et al)
ben_vulpes: perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?)
asciilifeform: or this. thiel et al.
ben_vulpes: non profit does not serve this case of 'enough of those'.
ben_vulpes: 'non profit'
trinque: this altnazi vid narrator sounds fat as shit.
ben_vulpes could not get sound to happen
asciilifeform: somebody wake up BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat'
ben_vulpes: haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well?
ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'?
ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere
ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in your view, where ought they to fight ?
asciilifeform: against pashtuns in afghan, to help keep cia heroin corridor into ru open ?
ben_vulpes: kinda their problem not mine
asciilifeform: 'where to fight' is problem above the expendable muppet's pay grade.
ben_vulpes: and so they're stuck being the third generation down.
asciilifeform: if there isn't a lenin, the answer will be 'against orcs, in world of orcraft'
shinohai: I find it hilarious Trump chose Ben Carson as HUD Secretary
ben_vulpes: orly?
ben_vulpes: yeah that's rich
trinque: I guess it has "urban" in it
ben_vulpes: put the black dude in charge of the projects
shinohai: keks
ben_vulpes: makes this real fucked up kind of sense
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying ; b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building ; c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r
mircea_popescu: eal estate bubble actually pops.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's nothing there.
ben_vulpes: quite
ben_vulpes: see: "trumpargenwat"
mircea_popescu: this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not".
shinohai: This from a guy who said "I'm totally not interested in serving in Trumpreich" just days ago.
mircea_popescu: anway - you can buy buenos aires buildings at judicial auction for a few mil. not like it's some sort of uber big deal.
trinque: shinohai: by now it should be clear that nothing anyone says in that world matters tomorrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty.
mircea_popescu: fat constricts ballsac and airways.
asciilifeform: did everybody miss last night's 'mr.t kowtows to nyt and disavows 'extremists' etc.' thing ?
mircea_popescu: not what i read there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572876 << btw this does not always work. worked for, e.g., su 1941-45, but not, say germany, in same. or, say, britain ww1. the latter two -- culled the wrong 8.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 21:47 ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'?
mircea_popescu: easier for su, any 8/10 just as good.
asciilifeform: it wasn't 'any' tho
asciilifeform: paradoxically, getting invaded and decimated -- is pretty good for 'you' (as biomaterial)
asciilifeform: it is the 'just wanteds' who get nailed, slightly preferentially.
ben_vulpes: better chances than thumbing ass and praying
asciilifeform: 'pray for asteroid' -- orlol
ben_vulpes: nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page.
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/OgJ6U
mircea_popescu: "SULZBERGER: I thought maybe I’d start this off by asking if you have anything you would like to start this off with before we move to" aaaaand i lost interest.
mircea_popescu: fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena.
ben_vulpes: what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'?
mircea_popescu: ~nothing tbh. did i miss out much ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop"
ben_vulpes: yeah that
ben_vulpes: hmk
mircea_popescu: wasn't aware this is particularly controversial.
ben_vulpes: just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here
asciilifeform: sparing clitler is no longer 'controversial' ?
asciilifeform: or 'keeping open mind' on 'climate change' treaty
asciilifeform: or reconsidering THE WALL
asciilifeform: or, or.
asciilifeform: '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...'
trinque: the guy went to pedo island just like bill
trinque: CIA/NSA probably already neutered him a while ago
asciilifeform: trinque: are you familiar with zhirinovsky ?
trinque: I am not.
asciilifeform: ru version of mr.t. 'created' in '91 when kpss decided to permit 'the first second political party'
asciilifeform: but never quite went out of business, continues on as a kind of rush limbaugh
asciilifeform: 'lightning rod', if you will.
trinque: aha, sounds just like it.
asciilifeform: the spencer d00d is a product of same machine
asciilifeform: a walking zero, with 0 ideas, no oratory ability, etc. but with audience and zog media exposure because ~selected~ to work as flytrap.
shinohai: !!up Dog1
deedbot: Dog1 voiced for 30 minutes.
Dog1: So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on.
trinque: we were waiting for you to get here.
shinohai: You just caught the tail ... http://btcbase.org/logs/ if you wanna catch up
shinohai: Sorry http://btcbase.org/log/
asciilifeform: now where's Dog2.
asciilifeform: cannot work without 2,3,4.
asciilifeform: sled -- needs 4.
Dog3: I am Doge
Framedragger: in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you*
trinque: Dog3: I didn't vote for you
Dog1: well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL
mircea_popescu: god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high.
Dog1: and the rest of the pack will be around in time
mircea_popescu: holy shit netflix is worse than mtv.
ben_vulpes: trinque: oblig mug i grew up drinking out of http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bLsAAOSw1vlUubcb/s-l1600.jpg
shinohai: I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable
ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tom-Edwards-Coffee-Mug-Dont-Look-at-Me-I-Didnt-Vote-for-Him-Social-Insecurity-/191805586136?hash=item2ca880fad8 << this one in particular
Dog1: got me
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh, I was making a roundabout monty python reference
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant specifically the "naxi salute ppl are ridoinculous" bit ; re the "sparing hillary" thing the official excuse is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572221☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't.
Dog1: Once again shinohai are you done with that universal translator yet
trinque: someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence
shinohai: Dog1: jhvh1 has google translate
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno.
asciilifeform: argument is that this movie is a rerun of jimmy carter election, where the man promised to 'show the aliens', or obummer, who promised 'legalize dope', etc.
mircea_popescu: well it is a us election thingee.
Dog1: Pick the worst of two evils
mircea_popescu: the dispute around that event centers on "alf : he can't win mp: lol of course he will", ain't gonna transmute into an "alf:dun matter that he won".
asciilifeform: each d00d sits down at the blinkenlights panel and starts playing with knobs, and notices that they are mostly not connected to anything; and the ones that are, if he starts twiddling, Nice Polite Folx show up and gently tell him that he must stop, or There Will Be Problems.
mircea_popescu: of course it dun matter, it's a broken ikea replica of an engine.
Dog1: Alf likes Cats
mircea_popescu: Dog1 who are you again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like we agree on that one
Dog1: just a traveller
asciilifeform: lemme guess, vex is back
mircea_popescu: !!down Dog1
mircea_popescu: come back as a useful something.
asciilifeform assumed that it was trinque's drinking mate or such
mircea_popescu: was it ?
shinohai: Eulorian
trinque: I never heard of him
mircea_popescu: not in #eulora ?
mircea_popescu: trinque that's kinda the thing, everyone tends to assume such things because why risk offending friend of lord.
mircea_popescu: prolly should be standing policy to actually announce such situations.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572942 << I guess this wasn't dry enough, lol☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 23:12 trinque: we were waiting for you to get here.
trinque: guy comes in asking to be entertained
shinohai: Entropy works in mysterious wayz
shinohai: Trump look-alikes rejoice http://archive.is/aibsP