mircea_popescu: if only that shit worked, what a wonderful world would it be.
jurov: too many hoops jumping in thinking there to cite anything
trinque: I read it, dunno why I did
trinque: "yes we can" over and over
jurov: it felt like dude has disconnected hemispheres or something
deedbot: RodrigoBTCF voiced for 30 minutes.
jurov: RodrigoBTCF: asciilifeform did it
trinque: even if we were doing deedbot: !!up guy people would moan about how they don't remember which bot does what
tb0t: Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
tb0t: [!%p|!%print] <project> <id>
tb0t: [!%p|!%print] <project> <id>
tb0t: Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
a111: Logged on 2015-10-14 20:13 asciilifeform: the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.
Framedragger: (there's probably been some further design work? and then asciilifeform probably has something written down, i imagine)
mod6: Framedragger: are you trying to view a ticket for trb?
Framedragger: mod6: tbh am just fiddling around. i wanted a list of all tickets, and to be able to view every ticket separately, if that's even applicable
mod6: it won't do that, because, spam.
Framedragger: also i don't remember where on the web i can view this, if anywhere
mod6: i'm actually making a database currently for a possible private version in the future.
mod6: im tinkering with the database tables now actually.
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 1, Type: D, Subject: Wallet counts change amounts in total balance, Antecedents: , Notes: It has been wildly reported that version 0.5.4 (99999) of the Reference Implementation adds change from a given transaction to the wallet balance.
mod6: anyway, trb takes my top efforts, but i'll fit this new t stuff in when I can for sure.
Framedragger: i'm mostly just lost between all the different pieces of the republican infrastructure :)
Framedragger: (which reminds me that i hinted of consolidating what i myself find into a wiki, which would be useful for folks, and never did that...)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but pgp key itself would supply ciphers, right? yeah, cool stuff / makes sense.
shinohai: If you aren't queer or whatever I guess you can't write and get paid for them.
phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as
http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
☟︎ phf: all the sbcl friendly patching that i did in september was done on the server, live, under fire, so right now i'm just slowly retroactively vpatching the code, at which point i can move onto the outstanding issues
trinque: phf: can has way of linking first spoken line of a nick?
phf: it got stable as soon as i stopped worrying about it
trinque: that's what I did with deedbot; forgot about it and the gods favored me.
trinque: still would be right endpoint that eventually would be honest?
mircea_popescu: yes but you prolly don't actually want it before he does the import
phf: asciilifeform: that's the first task after i vpatch the code. i basically started doing that on live server, got as far as loading the logs into memory, and realize that i can't change what's there without testing it, which means i need to backport everything into my dev environment. blah blah blah
phf: trinque: how's the interface supposed to look? /log-first-message?nick=foo and it gives you html rendering? or text/plain in kako format? or?
trinque: a guy clicks a link on the wot browser and he's kicked to a page which highlights the message.
trinque: so day page plus the anchor link which identifies the line
trinque: select * from log order by created at limit 1
trinque: where are these ancient logs, anyway?
trinque: in completely other lol, apparently the ppc macs have a vestigial serial port
trinque: phf: so like, import them, man.
trinque thinks the serial diode as described by asciilifeform is appropriate for deedbot wallet.
trinque: thing can barf gpg'd OTP one direction, can receive OTP from another
trinque: lest anyone thing I'm tipping my hand, I don't think the thing can work at all unless the mechanism by which it works can be made public.
mircea_popescu: certainly open internals is the golden standard for safety machinery.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> probably << For some definitions thereof. Do have the smoking thing.
trinque: what's up currently was a single shot of the tool
trinque just wandered home from drinking with some suit-wearing creatures he just met at a local pub.
trinque: suffice it to say that this country does not produce anyone worth "networking" is a thing.
trinque: but y'know, got some free cigarettes out of the deal, so as usual, net gain
mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: it will. << this thing is awesome btw!
shinohai: Been a bad year for the US Navy
mats: can't wait to see what 2017 has in store for DoD
shinohai: A Trumpreich DoD should provide a steady stream of entertaining lulz no doubt.
mircea_popescu: trinque the whores are ok. the "elites"... not so much.
mircea_popescu: mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell davout is your www down ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
shinohai: Why build wall when Mexicans will just continue to play dig-dug.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1050 * 262 * 2.2 = 605220
mircea_popescu: ^ almost a bitcent. really a bitcent if premiums are included.
BingoBoingo: In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee
BingoBoingo: The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis...
Framedragger: asciilifeform: looks like some folks may have generated ssl certs this way, too...
Framedragger: would be nice to run a netcraft-like service which observes all searchable internet's certificates..
BingoBoingo: ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor.
trinque: Framedragger: it'd be a step towards a republican search engine too
trinque: something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful
trinque: decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit
Framedragger: i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too..
mircea_popescu: google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here.
trinque: given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs"
trinque: unfairness makes the world so manageable
Framedragger: trinque: L2 here means two edges away from logs?
mircea_popescu: in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE
mircea_popescu: and obviously signed:mp&signed:alf ; or signed:mp||signed:alf etc
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former?
mircea_popescu: nah works just like !!rate. currently someone pops in, people !!up him, if he's not obnoxious gets a courtesy rating or two.
mircea_popescu: same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy
mircea_popescu: give trinque 's idea a bit of a kick, basically. just because something was mentioned here doesn't automatically mean it's worth reading ; though it IS a sign it exists.
Framedragger: the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
mircea_popescu: Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question.
mircea_popescu: gns is not dns ; it will hold any symbols you realise.
mircea_popescu: so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me.
Framedragger: (btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does; it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same; types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!)
mircea_popescu: whole piece of shit is a repugnant midden of magic crap
mircea_popescu: that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*.
mircea_popescu: you know what'd happen if women had no legs ? all sidewalks would be covered in slime lines. but do you know what happened once plebs were taught to read ? all fucking code is covered in slime lines.
mircea_popescu: technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey.
mircea_popescu: then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = trilema.com and goodreads = whatever
mircea_popescu: now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works
mircea_popescu: note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also.
mircea_popescu: it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)?
mircea_popescu: make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later.
Framedragger: i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous".
mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous..
Framedragger: so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes.
deedbot: mircea_popescu is already registered.
mircea_popescu: this ranks way up there in the top 10 machine humour incidents
Framedragger: *mircea_popescu now permanently known as CocksCocksBallsCocks*
jhvh1: the shrieker shrieks
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hence why you invented your own fp scheme for phuctor, right..
mircea_popescu: this problem is harder than you realise, because eg, you don't know what publishing hash(privkey) leaks.
mircea_popescu: because thatg's the only way you're guaranteed to not have the current gpg problem
mircea_popescu: i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%.
mircea_popescu: no i wasn't about to send pubkeys to freeonlinehashes.foryou
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument re it being broken. point is - it exists, and can't be trivially fucked for now, so until replacement is made, can be used.
mircea_popescu: all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp.
mircea_popescu: yes well, to clean a room you gotta at some point stand on dirty floor.
mircea_popescu: trinque would you be capable to migrate to indexing by pubkey numeric value ?
mircea_popescu: he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be
trinque: mircea_popescu: if this is something I can jam into gpg at each call
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it.
trinque: or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding
trinque: and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages
Framedragger: jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess
mircea_popescu: it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem.
Framedragger also wonders about pure rsa performance. guess we'll see :)
trinque: sometimes people can think of two, even three fruits at a time!
mircea_popescu: moreover not all fruits are blocking ; and some things are just good hygiene at low cost
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/
Framedragger: (but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.)
shinohai: Where `ICO` = " Initial Cask Offering "
shinohai: Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win.
Framedragger: heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as
http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
Framedragger: oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire)
Framedragger: ^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol)
Framedragger: oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for)
Framedragger: no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist..
Framedragger: (i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..)
Framedragger: ^ nice! veri greitful fuor yor translašn. -eastern yuropean guy
Framedragger: i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things...
shinohai: Google translate is why r/btc misinterprets miners as saying "Suck Roger Ver's cock"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
ben_vulpes: water in the power transmission bearings this time
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident.
mats: no no, its the chinese
mats: god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible
mats: xenophobia is the motherfucking answer!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
ben_vulpes: the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place
mats: hes probably referring to the f-35
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that monster flies, though
mats: too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own
mats: that'd complete the trifecta
mircea_popescu: really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks
mircea_popescu: god knows us military stole everything else from georg lucas
mircea_popescu: imagine you know, a 200mn a piece, 500 ton bipedal battle tank
ben_vulpes: given how tight-lipped nyc has traditionally been with "pushed onto tracks" numbers, "rash" is unjustified.
mats: this white nationalism stuff is entertaining++
trinque: so communist... "American President-Elect is in trouble for trying to make money with his legal business!"
mats: asciilifeform: i like the sound of that
mats: the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous
ben_vulpes: perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?)
ben_vulpes: non profit does not serve this case of 'enough of those'.
trinque: this altnazi vid narrator sounds fat as shit.
ben_vulpes: haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well?
ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere
ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately
ben_vulpes: and so they're stuck being the third generation down.
shinohai: I find it hilarious Trump chose Ben Carson as HUD Secretary
trinque: I guess it has "urban" in it
ben_vulpes: put the black dude in charge of the projects
ben_vulpes: makes this real fucked up kind of sense
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying ; b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building ; c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r
mircea_popescu: this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not".
shinohai: This from a guy who said "I'm totally not interested in serving in Trumpreich" just days ago.
mircea_popescu: anway - you can buy buenos aires buildings at judicial auction for a few mil. not like it's some sort of uber big deal.
trinque: shinohai: by now it should be clear that nothing anyone says in that world matters tomorrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 21:47 ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'?
ben_vulpes: better chances than thumbing ass and praying
ben_vulpes: nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page.
mircea_popescu: "SULZBERGER: I thought maybe I’d start this off by asking if you have anything you would like to start this off with before we move to" aaaaand i lost interest.
mircea_popescu: fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena.
ben_vulpes: what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop"
ben_vulpes: just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here
trinque: the guy went to pedo island just like bill
trinque: CIA/NSA probably already neutered him a while ago
deedbot: Dog1 voiced for 30 minutes.
Dog1: So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on.
trinque: we were waiting for you to get here.
☟︎ Framedragger: in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you*
trinque: Dog3: I didn't vote for you
Dog1: well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL
mircea_popescu: god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high.
Dog1: and the rest of the pack will be around in time
shinohai: I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh, I was making a roundabout monty python reference
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't.
Dog1: Once again shinohai are you done with that universal translator yet
trinque: someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence
shinohai: Dog1: jhvh1 has google translate
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno.
Dog1: Pick the worst of two evils
mircea_popescu: the dispute around that event centers on "alf : he can't win mp: lol of course he will", ain't gonna transmute into an "alf:dun matter that he won".
mircea_popescu: of course it dun matter, it's a broken ikea replica of an engine.
mircea_popescu: trinque that's kinda the thing, everyone tends to assume such things because why risk offending friend of lord.
mircea_popescu: prolly should be standing policy to actually announce such situations.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 23:12 trinque: we were waiting for you to get here.
trinque: guy comes in asking to be entertained
shinohai: Entropy works in mysterious wayz