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mircea_popescu: i think hearn is one of the... how shall i put this.
pete_dushenski: fine, hearn then!
nubbins` invites hearn to use money without numbers
mircea_popescu: lol @hearn : "So: money is not a mathematical construct. It’s a social construct. The fact that Bitcoin uses some fairly basic maths to coordinate social decisions over the internet doesn’t change that."
asciilifeform: not that there is no office where hearn et al are given winks, nudges, and stacks of benjies
mircea_popescu: THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia.
mircea_popescu: that was the equivalent of the mike hearn "let's test bitcoin". the result came out kinda clearly - 9 maybe 10 days. that's it.
BingoBoingo: <sjsqd> but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does? << Very different from multibit. Multibit is based on the Hearn BitcoinJ turd.
asciilifeform: sjsqd: the more heavily-advertised 'foundation' (vessenes, hearn, andresen, et al) was a scam from day one
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
mats: hearn and moxie start from the same premise, where tech and crypto are somehow going to paper over deficiencies in human relations and bring useful encryption to everyone everywhere, and somehow gpg is inadequate because it doesn't solve all problems they've imagined but don't actually present as problems to technically capable people
mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG." ☟︎
pete_dushenski: fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin
thestringpuller: oh mike hearn is undead too?
pete_dushenski: ^featuring the late great mike hearn
assbot: LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP )
BingoBoingo: Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9
assbot: ButterNubber comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eba8Z6 )
assbot: Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8NZ0y )
BingoBoingo: Oh, hearn has his own shadow implementation -XT!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/
thestringpuller: hearn wanted to merge that in iirc, something about 2-factor?
pete_dushenski: a la hearn
mircea_popescu: that "assurance contracts" in particular is such insane dumb only hearn could have sprouted it.
mircea_popescu: in case it's not clear, no anything authored by hearn may ever be merged into anything. i don't care what it is. the dog learns to shine shoes or do carpentry or whatever, but he does not work wioth computers anymore.
mircea_popescu: "The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really never looked at anything they pushed out after the hearn fork.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: But means signal to noise. I assume Mike Hearn forked Google Translate too.
davout: gavinandresen: "okey dokey, then we might not have much to talk about if you want to stick with OpenSSL bugs that were included in the protocol by mistake." <<< actually i distinctly remember mike hearn telling me how that particular bug was part of the protocol and how it somehow justified not putting any effort towards actually specifying anything, in a spec, not in code
danielpbarron: "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd
mircea_popescu: some informative original research, fresh from marquardt : "According to Mike Hearn, Satoshi even planned on creating a reputation system integrated with the Bitcoin client that would use the number of blocks you'd individually solved as part of a system to prevent scammers from creating infinitely many accounts."
davout: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904 <<< hearn, in reply to me: "because some parts of the protocol are directly exposed to underlying libraries like OpenSSL, you have to match their behaviour exactly as well, including all their bugs." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904
mircea_popescu: yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
mircea_popescu: guys like hearn, gmaxwell etc , as well as guys like poettering etc, as well as guys like that derpy chick whatever her name is
mircea_popescu: hearn still talks in public ?
fluffypony: Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit
mircea_popescu: and in so doing provides the perfect pill against the hearn idiocy of "let's import heardbleed into btc
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate)
BingoBoingo: dartv: Well, that wasn't intention for anyone other than Herr Hearn's handlers
asciilifeform: 'hearn: well i assumed that too when the docs first leaked last year. i kept waiting for the slide shows about the compromised CA's.
jurov: WTF "I love bitcoin for reasons that Amir Taaki, Adam Back, Peter Todd and Mike Hearn love it."
Apocalyptic: "That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn
ben_vulpes: do hearn and andresen have wot profiles?
mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.
asciilifeform: re: some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk...
ben_vulpes: is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer?
asciilifeform: pinpoint - no. approximately tell if they're running hearn turd - yes.
mircea_popescu: leveldb in and of itself is whatever, maybe not the first choice for a db. leveldb as implemented by hearn was an attack on bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: Superstitious in itself is not ideal, but... Hearn did trigger a hardfork...
BingoBoingo: jurov: I think the evil is simply the distance + proximity to Hearn
asciilifeform: pre-hearn - what date
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you got no pre-hearn blockchain ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.
BingoBoingo: patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.
BingoBoingo: The truly scary thing is that as periperal as Andreas is... I think he has more fans than compromised Gavin and Hearn together.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you have to consider the idiots who write us off for suggesting Hearn or Gavin could be coopted and have interest agaisnt Bitcoin.
thickasthieves: there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing
los_pantalones: anyone in here ever met / dealth with zooko wilcox-o'hearn ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ?
tatinportland: hearn esta fragile
tatinportland: fuck hearn alrdy
BingoBoingo: Hearn getting informed on the SPV thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745631.msg8535219#msg8535219
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Hearn being all butthurt << yeah it'd prolly be good if whoever links to derpchans (-otc, -dev, reddit, tardstalk, what have you) also provides a good executive summary. i dunno who has the energy to go on fishing expeditions in the sewage.
BingoBoingo: Just how much it sounds like Hearn's recent discussions on Bitcoin Fragility
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: which one is hearn?
BingoBoingo: Hearn being all butthurt
assbot: Mike Hearn on the fragility of bitcoin - YouTube
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIzMVABFxQ hearn has worries
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic plenty of people have custom clients that don't get crushed by the hearn introduced nsa bug.
mircea_popescu: once we've hung dutta, hearn and so forth and the bitcoin republic is well established, if you're still alive, you can come back and teach at the university or w/e you can do.
fluffypony: and all because of Mike having a Hearn-ia
BingoBoingo: Hearn school of argument: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/lube/
mircea_popescu: o, the notion that hearn survives the transfer of power is just ludicrous anyway.
assbot: mike_hearn comments on getutxos: a convenient way to crash bitcoind
mircea_popescu: i like how hearn is attacking todd lol. asif.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/08/27#l1409155575 << Absorb the harm of Hearn "Why can't bitcoind automatically restart?"
assbot: Mike Hearn August 27, 2014 at 10:49 am I wont argue that btcd has bette - Pastebin.com
pete_dushenski: The Bitcoin Core team recently committed BIP0064, which adds two new commands to the protocol, getutxos and utxos. The getutxos command is used to request unspent transaction information based on the given outpoints, while the utxos command is the response. The BIP was authored by Mike Hearn who also provided the implementation for Bitcoin Core.
pete_dushenski: looks like hearn hasn't hung up his cap yet
BingoBoingo: Hearn?
ThickAsThieves: Hearn, Popescu, etc
mircea_popescu: definitely useful as a counterweight to hearn & co.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this whole charade'd have worked a damned sight better if the various y-combinator bezzlers, the foundation hearn, gmaxwell and co would have actually had what they thought they had and everyone thought they should have, ie, actual respectability and bitcoin cred.
mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.
BingoBoingo: A la Mike Hearn
BingoBoingo: ^ Who needs Hearn?
asciilifeform: There once lived a fellow named Hearn; / For to ravish the blockchain he yearned; / Cried, 'I'll squirt in my seed, / And your heart - it will bleed!' / But got only laughs in return.
asciilifeform: lol! hearn goes into tilt, drops mask ?
mircea_popescu: the old wiki is too fouled by the likes of mike hearn, luke jr and the rest of the tools to be much use anymore
assbot: Mike Hearn proposes to build vulnerable censorship mechanism into Tor, opposes a fix for hidden service deanonymization, on Tor mailing list : Bitcoin
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2byqz0/mike_hearn_proposes_to_build_vulnerable/
fluffypony: have we spoken about Hearn's recent fuckery?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> What was Hearn's nick? << i don't recall he ever managing to figure out the gpg arcana. i imagine he'll first have to implement a google code version, that doesn't work.
BingoBoingo: What was Hearn's nick?
asciilifeform: Hearn?!
ThickAsThieves: lol Hearn wins $100k bounty from reddit for software to replace BTCFundnation
benkay: i thought hearn was handing out potions in this example.
mircea_popescu: right. and hearn isn't 12.
mircea_popescu: the notion that derps imagining themselves involved and part of and etc still treat hearn as anything but vomit behind a bar is perhaps the best argument against democracy.