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asciilifeform: apps were expected to talk directly to hardware << except for disk. hence the 'd' in msdos.
jurov: you even had list of known disk geometries hardwired in bios
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mostly for the int 13 bios routine that loaded the boot block
asciilifeform: (afaik all classical dos-es used it for disk access likewise, though)
mircea_popescu: anwyay, you could rewrite your io.sys. this was trivial enough to do that brigther highschoolers did it to prank each other.
asciilifeform: but yes, 20 bits of address space, cut into idiot 'segmentation' - thank intel.
jurov: and i'm not sure it's actually intel fault...rather msft was utterly inept to use real mode emulation
asciilifeform: what emulation.
asciilifeform: thing ran in real mode.
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asciilifeform: (various games, and winblows 3.x which used 'protected mode extender' excepted - but when you switch on prot. mode, you're no longer using msdos as such)
jurov: twas industry standard practice. years in 2 bytes, memory 20 bits... if you asked for more, got called idiot
asciilifeform: real mode, for folks who grew up on mars, far away from msdos: 64k segments (16 bits of address space). and segment selector.
asciilifeform: http://www.howtogeek.com/188980/pcs-before-windows-what-using-ms-dos-was-actually-like << for martians
assbot: PCs Before Windows: What Using MS-DOS Was Actually Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1raPv8s )
asciilifeform ^ did not know that an article like this existed, or was thought by someone to be needed
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
jurov: we got there by piling chairs upon poor 8088. preserving binary compatibility for all costs worked for people involved
mircea_popescu: this is a good point.
jurov: idiotic for you
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mircea_popescu: people easily forget that the "two byte year" comes from a time when they also had a 20 byte bus
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: think of the children!
asciilifeform: the year was pure idiocy.
mircea_popescu: "real mode", in the following sense : just like you have ints and floats, ie, reals, ie, two ints bundled together one playing mantissa
mircea_popescu: JUST SO you could have "real" registers!
mircea_popescu: ie, floats!
asciilifeform: not related
asciilifeform: (floating point was not originally part of intel arch, in case anyone forgot or never owned a 'weitek')
asciilifeform: but when weitek (original brand of 'fpu') appeared, registers therein were already, iirc, 80 bit
mircea_popescu: same thought process imo
asciilifeform: just as now
jurov: mircea_popescu stan is talking about pseudo-8088 memory space done by real mode segments
mircea_popescu strains to remember
asciilifeform: afaik the etymology of 'real' in 'real mode' was such: no use made of page tables and other indirections
asciilifeform: therefore 'real'.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
mircea_popescu: wait, is this the thing which ambiguously allocated a part of the pages
mircea_popescu: so you could read a portion in front from two diff places
asciilifeform: all compliant intel clones support another mode, not mentioned in manuals, which became known as 'unreal mode'
asciilifeform: entirely identical to classical 'real' mode but without the 20bit limit.
asciilifeform: http://wiki.osdev.org/Unreal_Mode ☟︎
assbot: Unreal Mode - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1xOAa4K )
asciilifeform: you're still stuck with the 'segments' idiocy, though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the real that was address-ambiguous, which is how 286 "protected" mode came about ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: though 'protected' also added page table and thereby virtual addressing
mircea_popescu: yes lol
mircea_popescu: kinda when the insanity starts. "o, we'll fix it."
asciilifeform: (where one can have multiple tasks, and each has illusion of owning the machine, swapping from disk on access to physically-nonexisting page, etc. the whole shebang.)
mircea_popescu: jesus they had some incredible "mystery code" back then, cuz you never really knew what's being addressed how.
asciilifeform: actually it was surprisingly readable
asciilifeform: at least, in the period when mostly written by hand
asciilifeform: even today, the (rare) malware written in asm, once you get past the obfuscations, is easier to make sense of than conventional (compiled) turds
asciilifeform: because it had to make sense to author.
mircea_popescu: maybe 15yo me speaking through my voice. but what i recall was "o noes, memory mapping"
mircea_popescu: punkman: so deeds server was maybe hacked <<< eh ?
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thestringpuller: again?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: found a cool app that teaches basic circuit building. (like gates and shit), i was wondering if you had any references to good exercises, in your vast library :P
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for n00bz, 'basic electronics' (forrest m. mims). for adults, 'art of electronics', horowitz & hill.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: these are my personal favourites from these categories
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: scratch that, it was 'getting started in electronics' (mims)
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mircea_popescu: romanian press : "wow, find out how much alina eremia makes working for romanian tv!!!" "alina eremia paid kingly-ly for role in tv!!!11" "find out here..." etc.
mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax.
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: nah, euros.
Vexual: be better in bitcoin
Vexual: still decent money, no?
mircea_popescu: if it is i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure callgirls make about 10x that.
Vexual: she ends up with a better resume
mircea_popescu: than a callgirl ? i dun see it.
Vexual: I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff
Vexual: is cazalla looking for an au pair? free rabbits
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo
assbot: Rocket Launch Failures Compilation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBN9L )
mats_cd03: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592 << another day, another systemd inflicted bug
assbot: oss-sec: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/11ocaaB )
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mats_cd03: huggles
asciilifeform: buggles
asciilifeform: speaking of which
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes still working on wedged bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: or somebody ?
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: ramming it into the iceberg again
ben_vulpes: working on some testing automation to boot
asciilifeform: afaik kakobrekla's db trick has no effect in 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: no effect for me either with a wedged chain
ben_vulpes: recently restarted from zero with the db_config file
ben_vulpes is frustrated with the manual testing process
asciilifeform: ever set up local node to pump blockchain from exclusively ?
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: I've sent my fair share of malformed tx
kakobrekla: but did you restart it hehe
Vexual: yeah, i send em out from time to time
asciilifeform: much like the early concept of 'space station' was born from the fact of 'a military satellite's expensive, someone gotta change the vacuum tubes when they burn' -
asciilifeform: we're still at this stage.
kakobrekla: i was saying to ascii anywho.
Vexual: yeah all I want to know id who ignores it
kakobrekla: next question is should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why do you suppose i asked for the book
Vexual: what book?
asciilifeform: Vexual: see jurov's summary: http://explo.yt/post/2014/10/29/some-dangerous-idea
assbot: A dangerous idea - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/11od32U )
Vexual: oh, the book
asciilifeform: aha.
kakobrekla: 'i once tought about bitcoin but then realized we cant build a computer'
kakobrekla: something like that
kakobrekla: is this how it went?
asciilifeform: actually i started out thinking about something quite else, when realized that we can't build a computer.
kakobrekla: close http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/11odaLT )
asciilifeform: but it applies, yes
kakobrekla: yes it was a reference to that
asciilifeform: not entirely off the mark.
kakobrekla: you think i can come up with such stuff myself?
mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick?
kakobrekla: wrong
mats_cd03: earliest log reference is to mp. no context.
asciilifeform: take your pick of a sufficiently 'heavy' problem (not necessarily deeply-mathematical, however) and, carry it on long enough, will realize - that we don't really 'have computers.'
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: there is a film convention, found usually in 'superhero' yarns, where a gang of derps each of whom amounts to exactly nothing, 'combine their powers' and form an invincible killing machine of one kind or another
asciilifeform: by same convention, they will only do so at the last minute, when about to be crushed one by one by the forces of evil (tm)
asciilifeform: this may be the source of the reference in question. iirc, 'power rangers' was one such film.
mats_cd03: i see
Vexual: lol wheres batman when you need him
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582399 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
Vexual: yeah or he just goes and takes tuxs safe
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax << what does 18k usd buy in ro ?
asciilifeform: in usa, it buys a very small car.
Vexual: rents > 100 ?
Vexual: remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: should we even be doing bitcoinwhatever on x86 << what do you think.
Vexual: yes
asciilifeform: back to that thread: can't speak for others, but i don't intend to use the trimmed 0.5.3 in anger.
asciilifeform: beyond verifying that it indeed functions.
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kakobrekla: and if it doesnt, whats the plan?
asciilifeform: well it doesn't, at present
asciilifeform: plan was, someone wanted to fix it...
kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question
asciilifeform: lol, question was re: stealth hardfork ?
kakobrekla: yea i guess
asciilifeform: somebody here, iirc, suggested exactly this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in bucharest probably a one room studio and buttermilk.
mircea_popescu: NOT within the first three arondisments, either.
asciilifeform: even so
mircea_popescu: but this "in romania" discussion is entirely besides the point, not like she can't just as well do it in switzerland or luxemburg or w/e.
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff << they totally are. about 3/4 of my class in college was actual hos.
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
asciilifeform not familiar with the figure in question, cannot comment
Vexual: 3 force expert
mircea_popescu: dude that bitcoin-assets bash is like the best site on the interne.t
kakobrekla: idk in a sense putting 0.5.3 together is worse than x10. not only it might tell you there is bad air, you cant open the window anyway.
mircea_popescu: "careful with that axe eugene" ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu right after maddox ?
asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol wait, im caught in my own web of confusing references. say wut ?
asciilifeform: tickles the megalomaniacal muscle in any man
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the idjits hardfork from it.
kakobrekla: flee to where?
asciilifeform: no, in this hypothetical, as i understand, we discover an irreparable boojum with chain as it exists.
mircea_popescu: "The attacker would need to guess the source port of the origin since he only
mircea_popescu: sees the query from victims upstream DNS, but since systemd-resolved also uses fix
mircea_popescu: source ports, thats easy."
kakobrekla: yes
mircea_popescu: holy shit is there something that's done right in systemd?
mircea_popescu: i mean, pid 1, whatever. but...
mircea_popescu: how many magic constants can a person eat ?
mircea_popescu: s/eat/shit/
Vexual: 1800 jerry seinfeld
Vexual: did you see that snl bit?
mircea_popescu: later in that thread, "(This systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)"
kakobrekla: are you going to ignore everything after 252450
mircea_popescu: srsly, can't even dump ?
mircea_popescu: why not just put it in journal binary files with the core dumps!!1
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mircea_popescu: in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack.
mircea_popescu: such bright future with the bright kids the fucktarded "progressive" generation spawned. they've tried and therefore nobody should criticize them! touch the screen now! Change the world! revolutionize the tubes! 2.0!
kakobrekla: its 3.0 now.
Vexual: im running 4
asciilifeform: there shall be no 4. on account of biodiesel.
Vexual: audi is making it from air
Vexual: i add sulphur with wine
mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/595 << meanwhile mitre (which is very much a usg-thing) is coming out with a "you know they don't really need to work because they're special kids".
assbot: oss-sec: Re: CVE-request: systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNRZyO )
mircea_popescu: so impressive.
asciilifeform: mitre is just an epsilon short of being an official organ, yes
asciilifeform: 'non-profit, ngo!'
mircea_popescu: then 5 different names have to waste the time out of their day, come in and say yo fuckwits!
mircea_popescu: and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the attackers can just keep right on firing packets
mircea_popescu: and you know, talk abut "do-ocracy". the fake do-ocracy of they firing out syn packets and then closing the socket.
mircea_popescu: and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using systemd."
mircea_popescu: right, those same resources that are drained away with crafted bullshit like this, a million different places.
mircea_popescu: because there is no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "From: cve-assign () mitre org"
mircea_popescu: just like there's no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "contributed a patch to openssh"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, my original change to github and generally the mangement of open source codebase of "add a read by X" field is not actually enough.
undata hopes to see any of the things asciilifeform has described someday
mircea_popescu: there must also somehow be added in there a "no dependencies" rule, somehow.
mircea_popescu: "your program must work whether any or all the dependencies exist on the syste"
mircea_popescu: and a simple "not all dependencies found, exiting" is not good enough.
mircea_popescu: it must still do everything not related.
asciilifeform: this is not high science, it was the original intent of the lowly gnu autoconf, even.
mircea_popescu: the fucking networking widget should instal and run without netbase, and do everything including populate the fucking fields and drawing the graphs.
mircea_popescu: right. but follow through = exactly what you'd expect, if redmond ran things.
undata: portage does a pretty good job of that
undata: as long as the maintainer bothered, and the package is configurable
mircea_popescu: this is actually true huh
undata: use flags are a bit of a blunt instrument, but they work
mircea_popescu: yeah, you have a point.
asciilifeform: back to syn packets, signed breath-of-life neatly licks ddos.
asciilifeform: all comms answered in priority of wot rank.
mircea_popescu: only if every router out there actually implements this scheduling
mircea_popescu: it WOULD give the old re-routability properties of the web a lot of value again.
mircea_popescu: ie, "are or are you not reachable through some node somewhere that doesn't think you're a total waste of biological matter."
mircea_popescu: the exact opposite of "anonimity", of course.
asciilifeform: a 4096-bit rsa signature and key fp fit handily in a udp minimal packet. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm going to confess now that i implemented this...
asciilifeform: and am sitting on it
asciilifeform: because not ready for battlefield yet, and other work
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate)
undata: asciilifeform: where's your kyristor post? I want to re-read it.
mircea_popescu: the gushing hordes on reddit were so very impressed with how the idiots in question "fixed" the problem (through leveraging a 50%+1 attack against the blockchain, thourgh meanwhile discredited bircoin mining pools)
asciilifeform: undata: if you believe, http://kyristor.com
assbot: kyristor ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFs7WC )
mircea_popescu: that they went all "o you dudes are like power rangers"!!!
asciilifeform: wasn't talking about that, though.
mircea_popescu: the name stuck.
kakobrekla: i liked asciis story better!
asciilifeform: 'kyristor' was a set of pencilled notes in an old 3ring.
undata: asciilifeform: you're about a mile over my head, but the n-axis WoT idea has had my brain churning since hearing about it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, march 2013 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152027.msg1621729#msg1621729
assbot: In re Bitcoin Devs are idiots ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsnF2 )
mircea_popescu: "I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:
mircea_popescu: 1. Not produced one single brilliant solution to any actual problem.
mircea_popescu: 2. Stepped in a majority of the holes, landmines and caltrops available.
mircea_popescu: 1 is of particular concern, especially because it is so easily disprovable."
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bitcoinstats.htm#l6290716 << original quote.
assbot: Transcript for #bitcoin-dev 2013/03/12 :: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1xFsvEv )
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not sure you really need tcp at all if you have a crypto-wot
undata: asciilifeform: the crude idea I had previously was just trying to jam a WoT into the blockchain
mircea_popescu: undata i recall this.
decimation: why bother with the illusion of a private point-to-point connection if you can deploy a nice global namespace
asciilifeform: decimation: in point of fact, you can get by without either tcp or the proverbial 'bad reimplementation' of it
decimation: I think mr. yarvin pointed to some internet elder figure who was hawking this idea (also urbit)
asciilifeform: decimation: one can use error-coding to get around lost and re-ordered packets.
decimation: exactly
decimation: tcp really is pretty retarded if you think about
asciilifeform: this also neatly dovetails into 'apocalyptic shortwave radio' net.
decimation: it violates the principle of "the highest protocol layer ought to control" (end-to-end argument)
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not retarded if you think of how fucking cheap it is.
decimation: exactly
mircea_popescu: think about that. think about the early days of bbs, which is how routing fucking got invented in the first placer
mircea_popescu: "deliver all the mail locally, cheaper calls"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the excess packets - cheap. the ddosyness - no.
decimation: well, in elder days when the internet wasn't full of orcs it kinda seemed ok
decimation: now the costs are different
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was five cents a minute yo! at the time a minute meant one page, or a gallon of gasoline.
asciilifeform: everything in future will work - or not - depending on how readily it cuts through swaths of orcs.
decimation: the point is, IP provides an elegant many-to-many mapping of network nodes
mircea_popescu: if the average per-kb page of internet communication were one gallon of gasoline, i wouldn't have to explain to idiots why i don't want to see "webcasts" and why im in irc.
decimation: tcp pretends that doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: for the reason.
mircea_popescu: that most calls cost money, but plenty didn't, so optimized.
decimation: really, what the existing internet fails at is a decent multicast model
mircea_popescu: Vexual: remember, this lady prolly get free handbags and parties << not in romania, not really. she gets free $5 drinks. which... you know.
decimation: this too could be implemented with crypto-wot routers
decimation: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question << i guess time will tell no ?
Vexual: lol she might as well be cazallas au pair
mircea_popescu: decimation you sound like an adult man falling in love with a dirty young hussy.
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: wotnet.
asciilifeform: 'you read it here phirst (tm)'
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no the question was did someone abuse the britneychain ☟︎☟︎
decimation: well, multicast might be a shortcoming in ip
kakobrekla: bad in da day.
kakobrekla: bak*
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well we don't know yet and apparently won't know for a while, rigt ?
mircea_popescu: i personally blame ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: we (tm) don't think so, but we (tm) would very much like this cultish belief verified independently and scientifically.
kakobrekla: and if it did, what is one going to do about it. (my take is: nothing, continue to suck cock)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sell out bitcoin, start new implementation.
mircea_popescu: the revolution can not be stopped.
kakobrekla: we do it anyway, lets not pretend on top.
asciilifeform: can at least upgrade to sucking with disgust, rather than unwittingly, or worse, eagerly
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i do not see it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i would just sell all my bitcoins, start a new chain.
kakobrekla: new new chain on great great x86
asciilifeform: that's what i meant by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931886 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 04:53:31; asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.
kakobrekla: lalala
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's one thing to live in mud, it's another thing to live in excrement.
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGMj10wOzg& whoa steady on, you can improve disco without ruin
decimation: and it's another to do so without any imagining the possibility of an alternative
asciilifeform: there is always an escape, even if you have to chew own leg off.
asciilifeform: but preferably - with all four legs.
asciilifeform: attached, that is.
Vexual: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/dwarf-crocodiles-learning-to-fight-back-to-cane-toad/5896738
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Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptGx8QrqrY
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775 ☟︎
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (for those who missed the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2014#930274 ) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2014 01:38:58; mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
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mircea_popescu: !up cascadian_derper
cascadian_derper: ty mp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform haha nice!
cascadian_derper: re my culpability all i did was ask "why not 053"
mircea_popescu: lol.
cascadian_derper: ascii picked that rev for patching not i
mircea_popescu: generally, is all what's needed.
cascadian_derper: anyways, a question for the chan: "what disqualifies 053 and what criteria should be used to pick an 'angry' bitcoin?"
cascadian_derper returns to babe and malbec
mircea_popescu: nothing in particular.
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/http2/http2-spec/wiki/DosVectors << incidentally, what do we think of http/2 ?
assbot: DosVectors · http2/http2-spec Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/11JuDyq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00045153 = 21.1768 BTC [-]
punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8647723
assbot: WHY MILLIONAIRE BUY Gonkai Phone?1.) Complete failure of security in 'converge... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1xG15hY )
mircea_popescu: vexual's on ycombinator ?
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
Vexual: schoolar ships is the hard way now?
Vexual: give me a fucking break
Vexual: back when i was a kid, if you wanted a virtual office you had to convince someone to do it
Vexual: 90 bux a months?
Vexual: talk about horse pulling the wagon
Vexual: here, have a lotto ticket
Vexual: older girls might ask me if im a virgin; "lady, it's 5 cents or fuck off"
Vexual: "what do i win?"
Vexual: i didnt know what a virgin wasm hell i dont know what sex was
Vexual: i didnt even have a prize in mind, cheeky bitch
Vexual: she stole some crayons and stuff and the otto was a resounding success for year sto come
Vexual: now im watching cricket by myself and i wonder what exactly happened
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2cyZt5IDE
Vexual: hehe dirty
Vexual: meanwhile .za is bowling at us like we're little girls and its working
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbdCvzF4qqw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00045409 = 14.826 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00046106 = 14.2006 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1rcG5JH )
Azelphur: kakobrekla: moriarty is pm spamming, (I've also banned him from #bitcoin before), please eject :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4074 @ 0.00120015 = 4.8894 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15888 @ 0.00043803 = 6.9594 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36271 @ 0.00043437 = 15.755 BTC [-]
Azelphur: and for bonus points he's now joining other channels to harass me :P
Azelphur: when in doubt: engage stalker mode
Azelphur: this channel really needs more than 2 ops XD
xanthyos: WHOAS
mats_cd03: hes a funny guy. i made seven figures this year! etc.
xanthyos: danielpbarron: WHOAS
mats_cd03: a dummy didn't include a tx fee, now funds are in limbo
mats_cd03 bangs head on table
xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3Hy9fgIYAA5L5P.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1rd9Da3 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00044975 = 13.0428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00044505 = 10.9482 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/bitcoinnotbombs/status/536406972703457280
assbot: A bitcoin donation of 4.1 mBTC has been made to help keep people warm this winter.Learn more at http://t.co/3FkV0KeWat
danielpbarron: i guess people will be cold this winter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40711 @ 0.000411 = 16.7322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34150 @ 0.00041222 = 14.0773 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00041222 = 8.533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90950 @ 0.0004207 = 38.2627 BTC [+] {2}
mats_cd03: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/stevie-wonder-is-not-blind-the-evidence-1641795715
assbot: Stevie Wonder Is Not Blind: The Truthers' Case ... ( http://bit.ly/1qUfjes )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00042474 = 5.0969 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00121921 = 2.4384 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: !up Xuthus
mircea_popescu: !up adlai
mircea_popescu: !up diametric
adlai: wut, wut did i do
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: you were suspicious!
adlai: can't a man lurk these days
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
mircea_popescu: !up nubbins`
mircea_popescu: !up unbalanced
nubbins`: dat disconnect on sleep
nubbins`: 211398 and counting
mircea_popescu: wb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00043784 = 7.9249 BTC [+]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P
mircea_popescu: ugh. what's he spam ?
Azelphur: (11:24:09) moriarty: there's also ##econometrics given your interest in cryptocurrencies
Azelphur: he has a bot that does ^, I've already banned him in the past from #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-otc-eu, -uk, ...
mircea_popescu: oh yeah. not the first time either huh.
Azelphur: yea, not the first time :)
Azelphur: thanks :)
mircea_popescu: no, thank you for pasting the actual command, it'd have taken me a while to piece it together lol
Azelphur: yw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00042593 = 2.9815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22187 @ 0.00045124 = 10.0117 BTC [+]
adlai: !down adlai
mats_cd03: http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/prisonfood.pdf re: "Spread"
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vCuJ8l )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8631 @ 0.00043794 = 3.7799 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 20 BTC for No on "BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/713/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 78.81502285 BTC. Current weight: 7,419.
ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << winkdex now an accepted price signal on bitbet
assbot: BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`455 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgHrLJ )
kakobrekla: interestingly > Bitcoin Winkdex price first digit will be a 1 or a 2 on May 1st 2015 < got rejected cause of windex
ben_vulpes: mm interesting
ben_vulpes: any chance of getting "rejected" in search status enumerator?
kakobrekla: hm
ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance."
ben_vulpes: wat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00043051 = 3.3149 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: random choice?
kakobrekla: idk
kakobrekla: aha someone tried to ddos ba wiki past night. tough luck.
ben_vulpes: nobody noticed lol
kakobrekla: yup
jurov: http://www.sci-news.com/biology/science-crassphage-previously-unknown-ancient-gut-virus-02098.html
assbot: CrAssphage: Previously Unknown Ancient Gut Virus Lives in Half World's Population | Biology | Sci-News.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJqzx )
jurov: quite a food ofr thought
jurov: *for
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_0f136781-b5ed-5e65-8b88-f22c0893d8cb.html?mode=jqm
assbot: Kalispell man jailed following casino robbery with fake gun - News - Mobile Adv ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgJPlB )
ben_vulpes: jurov: i can't imagine we've sequenced all virii inhabiting humans or even done a decent job at even the internal or external bacteriospheres
jurov: i just find it funny if eventually comes out of it that obesity is indeed infectious disease
ben_vulpes: i suspect certain diets encourage certain bugs that diddle the endocrine system horribly
ben_vulpes: but this is systems science in <not my domain>
ben_vulpes: why is it a better idea for bitcoin to write the blockchain to disk instead of into an external database?
jurov: https://blog.conformal.com/btcdb-the-bitcoin-database-package-from-btcd/
assbot: btcdb: The bitcoin database package from btcd | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgLM1l )
jurov: not tried it, just fyi
punkman: sqlite sounds good
jurov: http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for
assbot: The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgM9sL )
ben_vulpes: "since it is file based, it requires no separate database setup for users" << i don't know about this.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is serious business - perhaps a serious business database should be involved.
jurov: ^ toshi uses postgres
kakobrekla: anything that fits in head?
ben_vulpes: what parts need to fit in head?
punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1eyfk0/til_sqlite_was_created_to_be_used_on_guided/
assbot: TIL SQLite was created to be used on guided missile destroyers : programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgMxaA )
jurov: asking of anything to fit into head is a tall order
jurov: better start with fitness to ass
jurov: can be stretched if necessary
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: the thought that writing to disk requires explicit concurrency semantics (DB_CONFIG requiring lock numbers configured by trial-and-error) in c++ with bdb etc (would this be true of sqlite as well?) makes me think that talking to a professionally written database over a local socket wouldn't be such a bad idea.
ben_vulpes: but y'all know more than i on the topic.
ben_vulpes: also key value stores make me barf
ben_vulpes: (but that's neither here nor there)
jurov: satoshi must have said something on this matter
jurov: is there a way to search for it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00043051 = 19.3945 BTC [-]
punkman: well if sqlite works for conformal, can use as cheatsheet
ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it.
punkman: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/
assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgO00M )
ben_vulpes: is that really all of them?
punkman: I think there's more on sourceforge mailing lists
jurov: ;;google sql site:satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org
gribble: No matches found.
ben_vulpes: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/419/ << sigh
assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOkfP )
ben_vulpes: http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/cryptography/ << really? this is it?
assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOlQU )
punkman: no there's more emails
ben_vulpes: yeah i figured
punkman: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/?source=navbar
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOqV0 )
punkman: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/search/?q=database
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists / Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOu70 )
ben_vulpes: i think the question that i'm asking is: is an embedded db even a good idea?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70000 @ 0.00041742 = 29.2194 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32828113/
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgOLqJ )
kakobrekla: mechanical db best db
ben_vulpes: *clack clunk*
kakobrekla: something like huge drum music box?
kakobrekla: for each block?
punkman: rope and beads?
kakobrekla: actually punch cards arent a bad idea after all
kakobrekla: and dont forget to enumerate them.
jurov: round pebbles
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-power-of-the-press-in-english-this-time/
assbot: The power of the press, in English this time. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/159m6ak )
mircea_popescu: monster article, ties together a bunch of old stuff
mircea_popescu: and as the expression goes, he who illuminates illuminates himself, so, lots of perhaps unknown material about yours truly as well.
asciilifeform: so it appears that i've merited own, personal ddos.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00041465 = 29.3572 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: anybody else?
asciilifeform: or did the gods smile on me alone.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking it's funny how you keep popping in and out
asciilifeform: ahahaha lol
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/TSdayF99 << for the record.
assbot: * asciilifeform has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * asciilifeform - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1usZhCU )
mircea_popescu: your cloak is useless if you use it like that
asciilifeform: lol it borked.
asciilifeform: seems like someone on freenode end yanked it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have incoming turdogram.
mircea_popescu: nah, this is a well known defect of badly made login scripts
mircea_popescu: google it, solutions abound
punkman: qntra too hard to ddos now, moving on to easier targets?
asciilifeform: industrial-grade idiocy
asciilifeform: why ddos some guy.
asciilifeform: so that what, i can't send the launch codes?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kid wants to matter. kid doesn't have to change for this, kid wants to matter AS HE IS!
asciilifeform: i can picture the conversation right now:
asciilifeform: 'toadie: what shall we do with this bugger, your reptilian majesty?'
asciilifeform: lizard hitler: 'hmm'
asciilifeform: toadie: 'how about a nailgun?'
asciilifeform: lizard hitler: 'nah, not worth a nail. how about ddos his house.'
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, the log's back to manageable size.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/btc-to-reach-5000-or-higher-in-q1/ << our tolerance knows no bounds
assbot: BitBet - BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015 :: 0.02 B (13%) on Yes, 0.14 B (87%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 89`397 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1ut23bt )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance." << how do you find a "reasonable substitution" for a bet that goes "x website will publish a number ending in 5"
mircea_popescu: jurov: quite a food ofr thought <<< it pains me to say, but it'd seem more food for shit than for thought.
asciilifeform: ;;google fecal transplant
gribble: Quick, inexpensive and a 90 percent cure rate - For Medical ...: <http://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/quick-inexpensive-90-percent-cure-rate>; Fecal bacteriotherapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy>; What is FMT? | The Fecal Transplant Foundation: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ^ actual research field
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it. <<< not very far afaik. Pierre_Rochard << why not btw ? put krawsiz to some useful work!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guess what ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com fecal transplant
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: pssss
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/in-care-ma-ocup-de-futurologie-in-ce-priveste-trendurile-cu-rezultate-inspaimintatoare-in-primul-rind-pentru-mine/ there.
assbot: In care ma ocup de futurologie in ce priveste trendurile cu rezultate inspaimintatoare in primul rind pentru mine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD7e0B )
cazalla: lol coinfire.cf
asciilifeform going off into meatspace for a spell.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: alas bitstein and krawisz are (hopefully temporarily) taken up with other ventures. Personally I think the SNI website is unfinished in its current state, but there’s only so much arm twisting I can do with friends
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: jus' trying to help, from my position as chief asshole this is easy.
Pierre_Rochard: the words of encouragement are certainly appreciated
danielpbarron: ;;rate thomas_d 1 plays on seals as thomas_dick
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mats_cd03: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/regin-top-tier-espionage-tool-enables-stealthy-surveillance via HN
assbot: Regin: Top-tier espionage tool enables stealthy surveillance | Symantec Connect ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD95CL )
mats_cd03: http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/enterprise/media/security_response/whitepapers/regin-analysis.pdf accompanying paper
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AD9uFp )
mats_cd03: wish they'd share some binaries, or smth
wyrdmantis: http://www.smartcontract.com/ << WTF?
assbot: SmartContract ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADaGbG )
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis context ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 myea. useless halfway reporting.
mircea_popescu: "The infection vector varies among targets and no reproducible vector had been found at the time of writing. Symantec believes that some targets may be tricked into visiting spoofed versions of well-known websites and the threat may be installed through a Web browser or by exploiting an application. On one computer, log files showed that Regin originated from Yahoo! Instant Messenger through an unconfirmed exploit."
mircea_popescu: so what, someone supposedly used yahoo messenger on linux ? via what,s omething like an emulator ? and then the infector survived this mauling ?
mircea_popescu: seems nonsensical.
wyrdmantis: "Verified Pay for Performance Get paid, automatically; Smart Contracts verify you've performed by verifying proven results eg: SEO rank, automatically releasing the client's payment right away."
wyrdmantis: just found this thing... no idea if it's real or how it works...any thoughts?
mircea_popescu: old story. it doesn't work, no.
undata: asciilifeform: Does A0 believe that "438967283478" is "539568763873582425356468"? << example of A0 lying?
mircea_popescu: !up theotcguy
jurov: yea, i had yahoo messenger. found interesting stuff under .wine then
mircea_popescu: jurov but the shit actually works in wine ?
mircea_popescu: w/e trojans and so on ?
ben_vulpes: "the" otc guy?
ben_vulpes: isn't that n-tube?
jurov: it worked very badly, then i found some wine processes running with malware-y names, killed with fire
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfNIC5k-yxw << romanian news programme, communist era.
assbot: Telejurnal - Epoca de Aur: Ceausescu si tovarasii - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADh4zz )
cazalla: so coindesk linked qntra lol
cazalla: but only the google cache as not to give full credit
cazalla: http://www.coindesk.com/stakes-high-star-backed-bitcoin-gambling-site-crowdsale-stumbles/ under Messaging issues heading
assbot: Stakes Are High for Star-Backed Bitcoin Gambling Site As Crowdsale Stumbles ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADjPRF )
ben_vulpes: seriously?
cazalla: to be fair, perhaps site was down from ddos at the time it was written but still, amusing
xanthyos: BingoBoingo: Successfully changed key for user xanthyos from B62E7295387001E9 to DF074A8E1242692B. You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key DF074A8E1242692B
xanthyos: NO LONGER A KEYbase boy, are you proud of me?
BingoBoingo: I am indeed
xanthyos: dpb is here
ben_vulpes: hey look a real key
xanthyos: i needed my hand held
xanthyos: heh
ben_vulpes: don't you feel all growed up nao?
xanthyos: yes
ben_vulpes: in other news the girl found an entire gallon of organic maple syrup
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/conviction/
assbot: Conviction ... ( http://bit.ly/1xotW6q )
mircea_popescu: splendid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00041 = 10.086 BTC [-]
jurov: http://serverfault.com/questions/646509/sshd-with-port-forwarding-left-connections-to-localhost-without-counterparty-pro#646509
assbot: linux - sshd with port forwarding left connections to localhost without counterparty process - Server Fault ... ( http://bit.ly/159RTbd )
jurov: ^ "splendid" too
jurov: my every productive day ends with such wtf stuff or a bugreport
jurov: it wears off, i can't even be properly paranoid anymore
nubbins`: splendid
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: which sshd is this ?
mircea_popescu: da shit is this i've never seen such a thing.
joecool: opensshd version? and were you able to reproduce this anywhere else?
mircea_popescu: jurov ^
jurov: OpenSSH_6.2p2, OpenSSL 1.0.1j-fips 15 Oct 2014
jurov: not tried to reproduce, first time i see this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2980 @ 0.00121941 = 3.6338 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00041 = 11.48 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Flyer33
BingoBoingo: !up Flyer9933
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00041831 = 17.3599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00041831 = 7.2995 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00041894 = 4.2522 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas&feature=youtu.be
assbot: chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmQmR )
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas << also works
assbot: chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmXih )
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/gaw-miners-continue-scam-while-coinfire-is-defaced/
assbot: GAW Miners Continue Scam While CoinFire Is Defaced | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJETF )
kakobrekla: lol @ cf