jurov: ben_vulpes: paste it?
ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
Apocalyptic: poops a binary onto disk without anything on stdout or stderr ?
jurov: make can be set up to be silent
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.0007406 = 18.8112 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i dont understand. it's not ./bitcoind but something other?
Apocalyptic: <jurov> make can be set up to be silent // sure, everthing can be
ben_vulpes: no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
jurov: oh you drama queen
ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
jurov: oh that makes gcc to place a canary on the stack and crash if it's overwritten
jurov: *makes gcc to generate code to...
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, have you read the HARDENING section in the makefile ? I think there is one from 0.6.2, not sure before
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
ben_vulpes: HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
jurov: In gcc 4.9, the new option -fstack-protector-strong is supported.
jurov: but you should be fine
assbot: anonymous's paste: 92127
jurov: ah, nothig that could not be fixed by rm -rf /
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074064 = 9.9986 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4933 @ 0.00074064 = 3.6536 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
☟︎ jurov: what is the "first coinbase"?
assbot: Block 0 - Bitcoin Block Explorer
ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
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jurov: ;;calc 326384/365/24/6
jurov: sixth year you heretic!
jurov: year has now 52560 blocks
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform how old are ye, if it's ok to ask?
jurov: ben_vulpes is weak in the faith
ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
jurov: 1 is the penultimate number
Apocalyptic: but it flaws your logic as has been demonstrated
jurov: weak fith, as i said
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jurov: about half euro/GB
jurov: the Internet tax is estimated to generate HUF 20 bn for the budget
jurov: ;;calc 20000000000/150
Apocalyptic: Orban is expecting the blocksize increase ofc
kakobrekla: log is back up and now works on a 30sec delay
jurov: to prevent naked boob sightings?
kakobrekla: or day after, ill be sorta away tomorro
ben_vulpes: oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
jurov: kako ist the 0th bestest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00074064 = 5.2585 BTC [+]
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
decimation: kakobrekla: where in somalia do you live? the mog?
kakobrekla: its actually slovenia. i write somalia so mp doesnt get confused.
TheNewDeal: just curious, was reading loper.os from 2009 and I'm trying to get an idea of author age
TheNewDeal: should have questioned before revealing the answer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: asciilifeform is old enought to come to his Loper position out of actual bitterness rather than n00b kid delusion, but still young enough to hope he has the decades to realize them.
BingoBoingo: My initial guess placed asciilifeform in his later 30's
jurov: over two decades of such bitterness? hard to imagine
decimation: asciilifeform: you were probably born about 30 years late
TheNewDeal: I wouldnt have been suprised if you said 50
jurov: got my torah suggestion?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want to include qt source code or leave it out?
jurov: so, openssl stays in :DDDD
othernubs`: is there an easy way you can tag which files you'd like?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, there's a /src/qt/ anyway
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe I recall wrong but I think the switch from wx widgets to Qt happened ~0.3.X-ish
kakobrekla: if its for masturbation only, then prolly 0.1 is a better call
decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it
kakobrekla: decimation 'hardfork' != 'hard print' :)
decimation: ben_vulpes: I donno, I haven't looked into that in detail
decimation: I guess we want a version without idiotic patches
decimation: that's a good question, and should be answerable. Don't the clients identify with a string?
othernubs`: asciilifeform, looks like /src/qt has been there since late september 2011
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The earliest is going to probably be 0.4 or late 0.3.x series
BingoBoingo: patches to the bdb conf because... Hearn sucks
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: qt not necessary to interact with majority of nodes
othernubs`: you can build either bitcoin-qt or bitcoind with the same codebase
decimation: I like how the old releases are marked 'obsolete'
ben_vulpes: they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated
othernubs`: 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer
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mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for putting that script together.
mod6: when it's ready are you gonna put it up on github or some place?
decimation: nothing other than voluntary disclosure I guess
ben_vulpes: what, is my personal site not adequate?
mod6: it's fine im sure. i'll look for the link. just saw the paste from before.
othernubs`: decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats
mod6: ok np. i'll take a look
ben_vulpes: i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> 84% of user agents report 0.8.5 or newer << Occasional 0.8.x node may be considered polite in allowing certain SPV clients connectivity.
ben_vulpes: occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
BingoBoingo: othernubs`> decimation, i'm actually having a hard time finding numbers on miner stats << Pool ops rarely run "stock" parts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00074064 = 12.8131 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
decimation: X-Rob: you are a miner right? what client do you run?
decimation: " The Americans invaded Afghanistan because the Taleban would not relinquish Osama Bin Laden (who was a CIA operative) unless Americans produced evidence implicating him in 9/11—which did not exist. " lol orlov
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Well in the 80's Bin Laden was a CIA asset
othernubs`: asciilifeform, you want the JSON code or no? i'd deem it crufty unless you particularly want it
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: What are your printing specs on this looking like?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22525 @ 0.00073982 = 16.6644 BTC [-]
mod6: any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, i'm a few days away from even attempting to answer that
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Mostly I'm just wondering about the sort of paper you are printing on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00073912 = 10.8281 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
ben_vulpes: configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
decimation: 65 pound paper is pretty heavy isn't it?
othernubs`: decimation, it's not bad for large sheets. thinner paper rips
othernubs`: right now i'm thinking like folio size, that may change
mod6: ben_vulpes: <+mod6> any reason for deb 6 and not the latest?
othernubs`: you have a preference for thicker or thinner?
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
othernubs`: asciilifeform, the library's closed, care to stab a guess at the paper weight in k&r?
mod6: im gonna build up a vm of this and give your script a try: debian-6.0.10-amd64-CD-1.iso
joecool: i have a copy of that around, is there a way to test?
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
othernubs`: you have any other paper of known make to compare it to?
assbot: Instructions on Building Bitcoin 0.5.3 from Source on Debian 6 (Squeeze)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu was that AdamIRaway guy really a developer in the MMADX platform? << i have no idea. he said no. one of the guys he lists as associates was involved with it.
TheNewDeal: Gotcha, was curious why the connection was established
mod6: so far, looks ok. im nazi about some spacing, but it looks functional ;)
mod6: let you know more when I know more.
decimation: ben_vulpes: that's a helpful blog (your summary of major changes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00073526 = 14.0802 BTC [-] {2}
othernubs`: Cougar is acid-free archival quality ;)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well it;s in the log, but anyway, guy goes "we're doing x with a b c and d". since b worked on x' 5 years ago and x' went nowhere after initial enthusiasm, a reasonable probing.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> glossy, indestructible. << long term problem with glossy paper is it tends to flake.. Not just ink, but white surface...
TheNewDeal: I am catching up the logs, which is why I brought it up
decimation: my good bible is printed on very thin but weirdly strong paper. thin paper is nice, in the sense that it tends to lie flat
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform the paper i've got in mind is almost precisely double the weight of standard white bond paper, acid-free, archival quality, semi-gloss finish, 98 brightness
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
othernubs`: decimation, mircea_popescu bibles are like fine cigarette papers, made from rice
mircea_popescu: mod6 the funny thign is that it'll fail, and he'll still bitch and pretend like he's involved in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like either him or hearn quit after the previous failed fork debacle.
mircea_popescu: and, exactly like described in the quoted thing, idiots and imbeciles on reddit will congratulate him for "having saved" bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
mod6: yea! remember that?! he was all "NO ONE SEND ANY COINZ!!!111 ROLL BACK!"
ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
mod6: ben_vulpes: in the sense that "this looks like it works" :}
othernubs`: mircea_popescu, so you're spilling your seekrit code fork or what?!
decimation: it also has nice smith-sewn double binding with soft leather
BingoBoingo would like to see more books made of Tyvek and similar
mod6: the only fork should be rolling back to pre-powerranger derpitude. too bad about atc tho.
othernubs`: well, if a mysterious manuscript shows up here...
mod6: yeah, that was pre-DBD tho iirc.
mircea_popescu: lol @the silbert thing and generally bitpay's derpage. seriously, they think they're going to compete with us as a closed source usg-agent ?
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, tyvek is possible with our setup, but golden-toilet-y
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Just think of all of that longetivity though...
othernubs`: pro inks on acid-free paper lasts quite a while too
BingoBoingo: braille punched out of teflon seems super from a machine readable perspective too.
othernubs`: tyvek would be great if you're installing it in an outdoor park
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: let me know what style inputs you have << once tested, will do!
ben_vulpes: functional inputs vastly more important though
mod6: it's trivial. you'll lul
joecool: othernubs`: could you do a building wrap with it?
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well.. you gotta think centuries instead of decades
othernubs`: BingoBoingo, almost sounds like you're footing the bill :)
BingoBoingo: othernubs`: Well if you get this set up I may eventually want a copy.
mod6: can you make one out of stone?
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ben_vulpes: hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?
othernubs`: so if we're going with 0.6.0, i'm gonna need to know what's required and what's not for a minimum build
othernubs`: if anyone's interested in being immortalized in the thank-yous, let me know
ben_vulpes: yeah i'll take free credit for no work
othernubs`: i want a list of files req'd to build a minimal working install
othernubs`: all the news that's fit to print and none that's not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00073673 = 18.8603 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour? <<< asciilifeform will keep his bet now.
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would be useful if someone 'hardforked' 0.6 and maintained it << quite.
mircea_popescu: and actually, i AM looking for binary maintainers for gentoo/debian(ubuntu)/windoze/etc for a bunch of code
mircea_popescu: namely, eulora, btc, there';s a lot of work to do, and it's paid.
mircea_popescu: after all, if usgavin wants a fork, he can have a fork, what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: decimation: does he? is there a repo? << there's no repo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: which'd be the earliest that would interoperate with the majority of extant nodes? << last hard fork was to .4, so technically anything. but i'd say a .6 something'd be the best choice.
mircea_popescu: decimation: which is why a hardfork with a different name is necessary, so the n00bs can be educated << no. the name is bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: usgavin can make usbitcoin, or they can have gavin & mike's extra special bitcoin-identical flavouring "i can't believe it's not blockchain"
mircea_popescu: but the notion that .9 is "bitcoin" is laughable on its face.
decimation: over time the distros will be convinced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00074018 = 18.8746 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: what's next, bitcoin foundation is not a scam parasitizing this space but an actual representative ?
othernubs`: if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3
mircea_popescu: decimation: rightbut what percent of miners? << better q, what % of coinbase :p
othernubs`: asciilifeform, v6.pdf appears to be using straight-up courier bold for code
mircea_popescu: you know, just like, "what % of gas station are selling the new gas ?" "dunno, but what % of cars use it ?"
othernubs`: we'll need to put a color name on this
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu: there's not enough lsd in the world... << agreed
othernubs`: compact disc took most of the basic colors
Apocalyptic: <othernubs`> if you're going 0.6 you might as well do 0.6.3 // funny thing is, last commit on 0.6.3 is Jun 19, 2012
BingoBoingo: <othernubs`> compact disc took most of the basic colors << Oreilly and pick an animal
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21599 || publio || SELL 1.0 ATC @ 1000 Satoshi || None << Interesting
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, nevermind, was gonna compare to the last commit on 0.6.2 which somehow showed me to be in 2011
othernubs`: grey book sounds serious enough and is underutilized
othernubs`: okay, informal name and cover art decided
mircea_popescu: it's 3 in the morning and the log is 500 lines ya buncha chatterboxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's prollly going to sell a hundred, you kidding ?
othernubs`: are there any useful BIPs we're missing out on?
gribble: Nick 'othernubs`', with hostmask 'othernubs`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'othernubs`', with GPG key id F961A901022D2AFB, key fingerprint 66839483B86EB0955618740DF961A901022D2AFB, and bitcoin address None
othernubs`: can't go copying keys between machines
TheNewDeal: can you atleast give yourself a goddamn rating?
Apocalyptic: btw mircea, just had a chance to read the usgavin trilema piece, it's stunning
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you know i got that from a number of ppl ? incl mpoe-pr
othernubs`: TheNewDeal, how do you think ive had +v all day ;D
othernubs`: so before i fully dive in here, is it worth asking what's the most recent acceptable version?
othernubs`: you'd be sad if you paid 1btc for a book that's got a shitty bug, or that's 1 release behind a major improvement
mircea_popescu: the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine.
assbot: Bitcoin Core version history
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the bug is not so much of a concern, nobody is typing the book into a machine. << Wait, then what was the purpose again?
mod6: ben_vulpes's thing is gonna install 0.5.3
mod6: so maybe that version should be bumped up in there, unless I'm missing something.
TheNewDeal: RagnarDanneskjol how long back do these Azelphur logs go?
othernubs`: 0.6.0 initial network synchronization is 5x faster than 0.5.3 ;)
mircea_popescu: it was crucial originally, to ensure against an at the time unknown nsa.
mircea_popescu: "At that time the stakes weren't very high yet. There was much noise around a fellow named Magnitsky, a corporate lawyer-crook who got caught and died in pretrial custody. He had been holding items for some bigger Western crooks, who were, of course, never apprehended. The Americans chose to treat this as a human rights violation and responded with the so-called “Magnitsky Act” which sanctioned certain Russian indi
mircea_popescu: viduals who were labeled as human rights violators. Russian legislators responded with the “Dima Yakovlev Bill,” named after a Russian orphan adopted by Americans who killed him by leaving him in a locked car for nine hours. This bill banned American orphan-killing fiends from adopting any more Russian orphans. It all amounted to a silly bit of melodrama."
mircea_popescu: guy made some allegations of theft, fraud and embezzelment, died in custody without having been charged, a week before the one year (seriously ?!?!?!) term he could be held without trial.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you looking for "The American behavior throughout this succession of defeats has been remarkably consistent, with the constant element being their flat refusal to deal with reality in any way, shape or form." ? :D
mircea_popescu: seems the way current bureaucracies are interpreting the "ideas are soldiers" thing is very pedestrian seo : "narratives are soldiers"
mircea_popescu: well... narratives aren't soldiers, narratives are whores. substantially different.
undata: I hear a basket of american-flag cookies cures PTSD.
mircea_popescu: There were even some threats to cut Russia off from the SWIFT system, which would have made it quite difficult to transfer funds between Russia and the West, but what these threats did instead was to give Russia the impetus to introduce its own RUSSWIFT system, which will include even Iran, neutralizing future American efforts at imposing financial restrictions.
mircea_popescu: this, by the way, is factual, and incalculably fucking stupid.
undata: asciilifeform: no no, a kid rock album and beer.
othernubs`: asciilifeform, include INSTALL, README, doc/*, locale/*?
othernubs`: COPYING is required, and i'd suggest including doc/build-*.txt
mircea_popescu: i can now leisurely transfer moneyz from washington to tehran, just hop it off swift into russwift via the national network in any of two dozen different sattelite states.
othernubs`: actually i may include doc/* as an addendum, it's only a few single pages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, anything's plausible, but unforced mistakes are still stupid.
decimation: european banks hate aml because of the shit they have to go through for us clients
mircea_popescu: just, you know, us bureaucrats do not manage to comprehend they're nobody and need to stfu when actual people are talking.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12597 @ 0.00073744 = 9.2895 BTC [-]
decimation: somehow ever since the late 70's and early 80's when the aml stuff was made law, usg has gotten used to the idea that it can just make transacting money illegal as it wills
mircea_popescu: decimation nothing's as readily persuasive as a mistake.
decimation: the problem is that it kinda worked for the backwater Caribbean drug runners it was intended to hurt
decimation: but in 1980 usg was a net trade creditor to the world
mircea_popescu: yes, 1980 was before "everyone goes to college" and before "we'll outsource" and before all the rest of the crap.
decimation: now the us runs a net trade deficit of >500$bn per year
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mike_c: BingoBoingo: whoa. that looks disastrous at first
decimation: right, and of course these are only 'cashflow' numbers, not debt on the books
undata: 17.8 trillion total debt
assbot: U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
mircea_popescu: "You'd think that Obama has already overplayed his hand, and should behave accordingly. His popularity at home is roughly the inverse of Putin's, which is to say, Obama is still more popular than Ebola, but not by much. He can't get anything at all done, no matter how pointless or futile, and his efforts to date, at home and abroad, have been pretty much a disaster. So what does this social worker turned national masco
undata: and they have a fiddly definition of what counts as debt
mircea_popescu: dude, trust the enemy to give true to life portraits, it always works.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, there's practically infinity outstanding.
decimation: right, like liberia saving to buy whatsapp
mircea_popescu: this for a number of reasons, chief among which : the reported figures doesn't and hasn't for decades included all sorts of figures.
assbot: You Think The Deficit Is Bad? Federal Unfunded Liabilities Exceed $127 Trillion - Forbes
mircea_popescu: more importantly : if the various cds, swaps and futures unwind, that's a notional .5 to 100 quadrillion dollars gone
decimation: all of which are implicitly on usg's books, because too big to fail
mircea_popescu: so quantifying it is pointless. it's never getting paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: like trying to evaluate the weight of the stone around a man's neck who's chained to the castle wall.
mircea_popescu: well, there's the castle, and the rock upon which it rests, and the province in which the rock lies...
undata looks at the 11 dollar bill on his desk from the IRS
mircea_popescu: "For example, it is known that after the end of World War II America's military planners were thinking of launching a nuclear strike against the USSR, and the only thing that held them back was the fact that they didn't have enough bombs, meaning that Russia would have taken over all of Europe before the effects of the nuclear strikes could have deterred them from doing so (Russia had no nuclear weapons at the time, bu
mircea_popescu: t lots of conventional forces right in the heart of Europe)."
undata: mod6: you need more sources in your sources.list
mircea_popescu: the Federal Reserve is fresh out of magic bullets and faces a choice between crashing the stock market and crashing the bond market. << this is exactly correct by the way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can tell me anything you wish, but he IS a kgb puppet. there's just no way he could have figured this one on his own.
mod6: perhaps the script should throw a line in /etc/apt/sources.list
mircea_popescu: it's correct, but too valuable for him. he was given notes.
assbot: Debian Sources List Generator
undata: mod6: nah that wouldn't be general across distros
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone want to bet on whether the stock or the bond market will take it in the ass ? thatr's the major debate in washnington atm. stocks are basically the young libtards, bonds the old ones.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything can be obtained from "the internet". obviously. knowing what to obtain however...
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mircea_popescu: w. joyce was not particularly luxurious for that matter.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it strikes me that if rates are hiked both stocks and bonds would take a hit
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, they still have the ability to choose one.
decimation: well, I guess the law of bankruptcy handed down from the ancients is that debt is senior to equity
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of bankruptcy anyway. so debt is senior to equity, facebook implodes leaving a 60 bn hole, what's going to be sold ? watsapp ?
mircea_popescu: five bux, which is a gross estimate of its actual net worth, won't make a difference.
decimation: to paraphrase mr. yarvin, every asset must pass through the bitcoin-hole
mircea_popescu: Financially, Russia's position is so solid that even the three Western credit ratings agencies don't have the gall to downgrade Russia's rating, sanctions notwithstanding. This is a country that is aggressively paying down its foreign debt, is running a record-high budget surplus, has a positive balance of payments, is piling up physical gold reserves, and not a month goes by that it doesn't sign a major international
mircea_popescu: trade deal (that circumvents the US dollar). In comparison, the US is a dead man walking: unless it can continue rolling over trillions of dollars in short-term debt every month at record-low interest rates, it won't be able to pay the interest on its debt or its bills.
mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse.
mircea_popescu: which is actually the major bargaining chip with the eu, not stupid produce import bans
decimation: yeah it was the sane move. russia has a sad economy but enormous natural reserves, they should price their money like kuwait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074064 = 7.5545 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: russia moved from 1990 to 2010 about as much as china moved from 1980 to 2005.
mircea_popescu: but romania is white people, and somalia is black people.
assbot: List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: this is no figure of speech either. in 1992ish, plenty of romanians working for the state made ~1.20 dollars a day
decimation: russia has lots of white people and lots of resources, asians too
ben_vulpes: <othernubs`> ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.
ben_vulpes: but i don't see any roadblocks at this time.
ben_vulpes: well, consider all the things i've been unlearning
ben_vulpes: i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating
ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard
mod6: ben_vulpes: so the main issue was the deps so far. i went to the deb site and it gave me some to add to the sources.list, but didn't seem to help. i can try something different tomorrow if you have suggestions.
othernubs`: so we'll split the difference between 0.5.3 and 0.6.3, go with 0.5.8
mod6: it's in the pastes.
othernubs`: maybe we start with defining what's in current that we don't want
othernubs`: well, bv says 0.5.3 is minimum that will work
ben_vulpes: wallet retardation gets cut or reimplemented non retardedly
othernubs`: publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job
ben_vulpes: getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it
ben_vulpes: another reason this damn platform's doomed
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what release are you targeting?
ben_vulpes digs spare hdd out of closet for aux blockchain
othernubs`: let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3 << ok, so 5.4
othernubs`: ...is anyone able to express succinctly yet accurately why current release isn't okay?
Apocalyptic: othernubs`, you're seriously suggesting using the "current" release ?
othernubs`: he creates raw tx using node.js script and sends to network via blockchain.info broadcast
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> publishing job in danger of morphing into coding job <<< nubsy has antennae, and they're tuned for danger!
othernubs`: Apocalyptic, i'm attempting to guide the conversation towards stating what is and isn't desired in the codebase
othernubs`: ostensibly later versions have more bugfixes and improvements but also more cruft and potentially introduced attack vectors
mircea_popescu: othernubs` you'll never get there. but anyway : 0.6.3 most recent acceptable ; 0.5.3 i guess, earliest acceptable.
mircea_popescu: pick among these according to which bias (early, late) you want
mod6: ascii: lol i guess so
assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.6.2 released
mod6: just putting it out there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the cve link for details, going straight to an unmaintained dump page.
mircea_popescu: MITRE Partners with University System of Maryland to Operate New Cybersecurity R&D Center for the National Institute of Standards and Technology ?
assbot: The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu lol will do. i remember that article well.
mircea_popescu: my twitter's dead and i don't feel like social media anyway
pete_dushenski: i meant on the blog.. but i see where you're going. i'll drop him a twit.
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> how the fuck it is code never shrinks ? << Code does shrink sometimes. But not due to concentration on features or bugs. If it happens, it happens because the developer grows and improves. One of my favorite days was deleting 60k lines of code that I had written and replacing it with 100 lines. Simpler. Faster. Easier to understand.
undata: artifexd: it takes willingness to admit one's own stupidity
ben_vulpes: i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x
ben_vulpes: i also think that building on os x is a bad idea
ben_vulpes: this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 0.5.6rc3 works << enhanced sync speed?
mircea_popescu: but you don't want it to sync anyway, just feed it a preindexed chain.
ben_vulpes: $ cp ~/.bitcoin ~/.bitcoin-test && ./ancient-bitcoind -datadir ~/.bitcoin-test ?
TheNewDeal: I've just seen up to block 315k on tpb, but wasn't sure what the file format was
mircea_popescu: it is, substantially, but it's indexed differently for the latecomers.
mircea_popescu: and i imagine they probably did all the shitting they can
assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suppose "first otc rating" would be better way to go about it no ?
ben_vulpes: well, first words in -assets as proxy for initial blockchain dl
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, i'll pass you a signed tarball tomorrow ?
mircea_popescu: the ideal way would be for you to let the thing sync naturally
mircea_popescu: it'll take a few weeks, but what's the rush, and this way you get an authenti ccopy.
ben_vulpes: i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network.
ben_vulpes: although if you'd be willing to share your tarball and a version number against which i could build that might show some interesting things on a block-by-block diffing
mircea_popescu: there is one caveat, specifically, that you must make a file named DB_CONFIG that contains a set_lg_dir database set_lk_max_locks 500000
mircea_popescu: the client doesn't keep "blocks" exactly, it's messier
ben_vulpes: so every blockchain could be a snowflake.
mircea_popescu: you can't mix and match blkxxxx from one install with another's.
ben_vulpes: but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain?
ben_vulpes: provided set_lk_max_locks type configs are in place?
mircea_popescu: course, you would be relying on the verification done by the op
mircea_popescu: (it's actually the point of the torrent palliative back in the day)
ben_vulpes: should la serenissima publish a torrent?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to be perfectly fair : the bdb arrangement wasn't really tenable on the long haul. it had to be replaced with a better db.
mircea_popescu: the noobs aren't really capable of handling the sort of requirements to dld a full chain.
mircea_popescu: so that bitcoin split among a pro and a noob division is scarcely amazing.
pete_dushenski: (i sound like a gangster-rapper in writing, apparently)
mircea_popescu: how's the anon onslaught ? you been made to repent yet ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'll repent by updating my "how to run a node" article with ben_vulpes' final work :)
pete_dushenski: and there hasn't been any anonslaught for the latest piece. but it's only been a few hours.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5023 @ 0.00074072 = 3.7206 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a quarter bn in 2014 ? seriously ? all into shit ? << lol. tip of the derpberg.
thestringpuller: You didn't link the article on "the problem of too much money"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is also quite right. either russia or china can in fact raise interest rates causing a collapse. << their own rates? or just dump some us bonds and trigger us rate increase?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i'm well familiar with that one. i linked several other trilemas to make my case.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: if we were still on gold standard, China could just dump gold and cause a collapse
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: romania was for a while on par with somalia. << but romania got "aid"
thestringpuller: I forgot jgarzik was an advocate of GPG in the web browser.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller so ya, dump bonds = us raises rates to compete with market awash in dumped bonds.
thestringpuller: "This engineer sees additional PGP problems: (1) ancient C codebase, and (2) lack of a usable lib."
thestringpuller: ancient C codebase == software that is more hardened over time
assbot: A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller good for la serenissima, bad for usderpcorps.
thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock!
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
thestringpuller: vitalik buterin is on the team? kinda figures "javascript in da browser"
assbot: Private security group Typhon assembles private navy to protect Indian Ocean shipping from Somali pirates | This is Money
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ya, everything vitalik and his co-derp anthony touch are utter nonsense.
thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore?
pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext.
pete_dushenski: this was after anthony tried calling me several times, leaving voicemails about how he "didn't know i felt that way about ethereum" and shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00074123 = 9.2439 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: and i said we're doing pgp or irc. but he'd "lost his key" so had to make another...with kryptokit!
pete_dushenski: interestingly, kryptokit keys are only 2,047 instead of 2,048 rsa keys. odd, no?
thestringpuller: old pete_dushenski will one day think like Jeezy, "Seen't it all"
ben_vulpes: it's a forging of some kind. trial by fire.
thestringpuller: not quite as bad as your private key isn't stored on some fuckers machine in his mom's basement
RagnarDanneskjol: i use gpg in browser on airgapped device with wifi physically disabled.. b/c I actually understand java and can audit with my own eyes
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski> it feels like bitcoin is accelerating that process!
thestringpuller: ^ MP must say at least once a day, "i'm too old for this shit"
ben_vulpes: that's a pretty funny self-indictment of javaland if you don't mind my saying so.
ben_vulpes: "i can read java and stuff, but can't handle cli programs"
RagnarDanneskjol: none taken - I know my security leaves much to be desired.. why I hired a fulltime tutor
RagnarDanneskjol: well - he's not just a tutor - he's building stuff too - talkin bout Azlph
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: lol i wish i had that kind of budget << instead of paying for college pay for full time tutor for 4 years?
assbot: NOT OK GOOGLE: Android images can conceal code The Register
pete_dushenski: "The researchers have found that it's possible to trick the Android app wrapping system so that an image can be wrapped up with malware, and delivered inside an innocuous wrapper app, which gets past both security apps and Google's Bouncer. The basis of the attack is a custom encryption package (which they dubbed AngeCrypt) that makes the malicious APK look like a valid PNG image file (other image formats work as
assbot: Android botnet poses as Google app, pilfers email and SMS | ZDNet
pete_dushenski: ya wasn't there a dogecoin mining botnet on android fones too?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00074128 = 8.0429 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2014 00:41:08; ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl
pete_dushenski: but of course smartphones are supersekure and everything and there's no way goog/aapl are letting those pesky feds get in the way.
pete_dushenski: "The FBI director James Comey's bid to have Congress kibosh default encryption appears to have publicly failed after senators said the proposal would be rejected." << uhuh
fluffypony: at least Reddit has its priorities straight
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm going to be in LA from next Tue till Nov 2nd, and then in Utah & Las Vegas from Nov 2nd to Nov 17th - any chance you're mosying on down in that vicinity?
assbot: BitPay To Assist Paydici To Enable Bitcoin Based Recurring Billing | Qntra.net
pete_dushenski: fluffypony hm did see that. afraid not. looks like i'll be in central canada around then...
fluffypony: famous around the world for its directional 2.4ghz FPV antennae
fluffypony: cazalla: it's obvious how they're going to do it...you just have to hand over your private keys and they'll totally handle the rest :-P
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cazalla: fluffypony, hopefully they get back to me but not likely
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: at present value, yes :-P
pete_dushenski: cheaper than a canada goose down jacket and a bathtub full of maple syrup, i suppose.
pete_dushenski: though i did get a pretty sweet arcteryx winter jacket at the end of last season that i'm looking forward to sporting.
assbot: Obtaining and offline securing ether for the upcoming Ethereum launch Medium
fluffypony: I have Khard 45s that we use for our go bags
fluffypony: but I keep taking the packs out and using it for hikes and general travel
pete_dushenski: when i first saw this jacket in banff, btc was $350 so it was 2 btc so i balked.
pete_dushenski: went back to the store 5 months later and btc and the jacket's price had converged so it was only 1 btc. i went for it then :D
pete_dushenski: i haven't tried their other equipment but it's priced to a point where i certainly have high expectations
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes as opposed to... lol crafting your own based on imaginary spec?
ben_vulpes: i'm too tired and too deep in unix horseshit to know what to say about ether anymore
xinxi: good evening cazalla
xinxi: oh, it should be afternoon.
pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates.
assbot: Bitcoin network graphs
ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, drop large amounts of hashpower to rewrite blockchain.
ben_vulpes: now i want to see the power draw of the btc network.
pete_dushenski: and who's going to be duped by any transaction large enough for this strategy to pay off?
pete_dushenski: "perfect, we have a deal, here's your aircraft carrier."
pete_dushenski: and my eyes are calling it quits for tonight. bon soir tout le monde!
assbot: Cryptex USB flash drive, 16 Gb Smart Decisions International (SDI)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00074128 = 4.7071 BTC [+]
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ben_vulpes: fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper
ben_vulpes: looks like i could get it open in about a minute with a decent vise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2095 @ 0.00074128 = 1.553 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility
ben_vulpes: who nerdsniped me with the etherscam again
assbot: Technical Flaws in Early Ether Wallet Implementations
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no dude, it's a pos libtard venue astroturfing the shit out of the internet.
ben_vulpes: well it's cost the future one night of my time.
ben_vulpes: i *was* being productive and booting historical versions of bitcoin to run locally.
ben_vulpes: taleb's really on to something with his noise suppression routine.
ben_vulpes: how though to reconcile noise suppression with -asset logreading...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19758 @ 0.00073703 = 14.5622 BTC [-] {3}
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell nubbins I'm not familiar with the btc codebase, but is there any reason not to include diffs from 5.3 to n.m in the appendix?
gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <pigeons> so far that seems accurate
thickasthieves: <+othernubs`> let's get some big miners to give up their secret sauce /// yknow a survey of large miners' and pools' sentiment on state of bitcoin dev, what versions they use, etc would be a great qntra article
mircea_popescu: hard to verify miners, easy to get a bunch of derps that love to talk. but yes, it would be.
thestringpuller: couldn't you just ask trustworthy miners like slush for the pool stats?
thestringpuller: or do people have their computers lie about the version of stuff they are running?
mircea_popescu: being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really.
mircea_popescu: miners willing to talk about their mining are either lying or motivated by something larger than their mining. which could be their own honesty, of course, but could just as well invalidate the entire premise identifying them as miners.
assbot: 'LulzSec leader Aush0k' found to be naughty boy not worthy of jail The Register
mircea_popescu: help irritate asciilifeform's ideas about "can do anything"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00073633 = 7.3265 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> being a miner is notoriously a "nobody's business" type of affair. there's nothing to be gained really. /// well, what if we picture the future 10 years out? are representatives of large hash more communicative? or is there 'political' position on bitcoin technicals more known?
mircea_popescu: there will be the occasional reports from retired people, obviously. but otherwise, bitcoin mining ~==== fiat espionage.
thickasthieves: i remember bitfury was very defensive when i asked how much manufactured mining power they represented
mircea_popescu: i suppose the other similar thing is the networking cabal.
mircea_popescu: people may exchange info as to how much switching happens and where and how, on a "need to operate network" basis.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i remember hearing about this kid, nfi if he actually was part of lulzsec or not
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems not really. but the aussie "secret service" twerps are the better target there. i dun think anyone can point out to ANYTHING they ever achieved, since ww2 onward.
cazalla: nah, secret police here are ASIO not AFP
mircea_popescu: there's at least half a dozen of various derp groups, and they're all wasting oxygen & public moneyz.
cazalla: given i live here, i have nothing but praise for all gov departments, advance australia fair
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: it's completely wild to see how much the bitcoin network hashrate fluctuates. << you understand those aren't directly measured, but more like calculated after the fact ? it's normal variance, you're trying to guess how many times a coin is tossed by how many heads you see. well...
☟︎ assbot: Sweden's Military Calls Sub's Breach of Waters 'Fucked Up'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, <<< except miners don't go in and out with the price. the market is amortisation driven, they have the gear and have to use it, so they'll use it.
mircea_popescu: fx risk is handled like any fx risk (hedge and insure).
mircea_popescu: On Sunday, the Swedish media wound itself into a tizzy over a photograph of a man dressed in black wading into the water somewhere in the archipelago. The security services were dispatched to find the man, who turned out to be a pensioner named Ove, out doing some fishing. "I'm no spy, I'm a pensioner," he told Expressen. "You can tell that it's me [in the photo] by my straight jeans, and I usually have a backpack on."
mircea_popescu: how did that theory go... the ideal spy is an old guy with no social contacts ?
bounce: the sweedish sold off their sub hunting helos in 2008. bwahahahaha.
bounce: am I supposed to pity the fools now?
bounce: norway is doing pretty well, last I heard
bounce: AIUI they potted up their north sea gas proceeds, instead of giving it all away to the unwashed masses. gives them a bit of playroom.
cazalla: thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00074005 = 8.8066 BTC [-]
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jurov: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
jurov: davout any news? you said there's some stupid french law pending
jurov: heh all is ok then
davout: not like laws are going to make it not ok anyway
jurov: both logs and freenode are dos'd?
jurov: usually when freenode has problems, it dumps me whole banlist for all channels, that happened 20 mins ago.
chetty wishes all these ddosers would find something productive to do with their time
jurov: you know, it is so much fun, feeling of power and whatnot
jurov: i don't know why i did not do more of it myself. only once tried SMB packed of death against neighbor's win machine flooding the ether with all kinds of windoze packets
jurov: got some qualms of remorse, did not continue down that path
chetty: well even if ddos is your thing, power trip and all I can think of more interesting things to ddos
jurov: chetty go on. they're listening
assbot: French 'terror law' declares WAR on the INTERNET itself, say digi-rights folks The Register
jurov: dunno what was then. maybe cia/kgb planted me false memories and whatnot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00073695 = 4.1269 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: wtf is "individual terrorist undertaking"?
davout: it's because the news is full of teens leaving france to go to syria for djihad and whatnot
bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved.
bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us."
davout: bounce why not simply not care about it? wanna go some ideological war somewhere else, well, have fun seeya later
bounce: because the fucks come back all shell shocked and violent
bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you.
davout: i'd reckon most would get natural selection'd anyway
bounce: at the very least it ties up secret service manpower to keep an eye on them
davout: what are you gonna do? cage them?
bounce: no, they're spying on the returnees. already.
davout: no, i mean the would-be goers
bounce: I'd do exactly what I said I wanted the politicians to do: let the would-be goers go, at the price of persona non grata status.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021818 B (Total: 477.11 B). Delta: -0.38 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
assbot: Three Denver girls who skipped school in alleged attempt to join ISIS under investigation - NY Daily News
othernubs`: cazalla:thestringpuller: "He's Canadian" << lol, the canadians brought us Degrassi and indie rock! <<< fkn degrassi, to this day i remember claude offing himself in the toilets, i think i was like 10 or 12 and what is this <<< my sides / my youth
assbot: Rewrite the OS, Change the World The OS Fund Medium
jurov: i tweeted them stan's 7 laws but i doubt they'll catch on
bounce: medium.com is such a craphole. like wired, but pessimised for the tablet.
bounce: though that osfund.co website manages to fuck up harder. doesn't even render any content here, just the menu bar.
bounce: wants to change the world. picks sucky venue to promote broken website. makes a splash, it does.
jurov: if you want to get amused, actually read it
jurov: "Autonomous networks of drones are delivering critical supplies to rural African villages."
jurov: can't stop chuckling
othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish?
bounce: started to scan it but it looked to be entirely fluff
othernubs`: ...keyboard issues, this xo-1 is actually a quite capable irc machine
othernubs`: websites are a dice-roll but xchat and a couple terminal windows = no sweat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0007365 = 2.2832 BTC [-]
othernubs` notices that page 1 of the bookof bitcoin will be the entire contents of a file named COPYING
jurov sues nubs for GPL violation
jurov: or you can print legalese in tiny font, as supposed to
othernubs`: jurov, i'm going the other way. make it a glorious proclamation
jurov: isStandard() should feature properly terrifying gargoyles
othernubs`: actually on the fence about illustrating the entire thing, with a slight lean towards 'yes'
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
mod6: at least, i'd like to have it. heh.
mod6: so yeah, maybe .5.3 is enough with a few patches added in like your notes say. good work!
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, that's a helpful commit summary, well done
jurov: so.. where is the evil in 0.9?
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i have to clear up that it's not a *commit* summary but a changelog summary.
mod6: ben_vulpes: naw, gave up after the last paste I posted. i'd like to go further here, but need more time, and to somehow find the right source to add to sources.list so I can pull in the requirements correctly.
mod6: when testing this, i don't wanna to "hack" a bunch of stuff together. i'd like to do it in a linear manner so seeing what was required is simple. because I'm sure that I can just start pulling down packages on my own and get it to work. just was trying to keep it simple.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, I guess the next would be to see if actually all the code changes reflect precisely what's been announced in the changelog, to ensure there is no stuff left out, intentionally or not
mod6: not sure if im making any sense.
mod6: I might not be the right person to test this after all. *shrug*
jurov: i'm able to do it..if anyone pays
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of sense. i was a little startled to see that your debian dist didn't come with sudo.
mod6: me too, that threw me off. but maybe i did something silly with the install by creating a root account? i'm not super clued on deb... but it asked me to make a root account first, then a user account. so that was kinda bizzare to me.
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: semantics indeed, but not the reddit-style attempted-argument-ender kind. rather the important kind that conveys significance.
mod6: so thought maybe it left off sudo because I created a root account. not sure.
Apocalyptic: ben_vulpes, absolutely, see my next line :)
ben_vulpes: still caffinating can't keep up already
bounce: mod6: what're you doing?
ben_vulpes: at this point i'm running the node stock to see what happens
mod6: bounce: just testing ben's script
mod6: created a vm of deb 6.0.10 or w/e and then just tried to run it directly without doing anything else.
mod6: and the apt-get lines in the start of the script failed because the sources.list didn't have the things it's looking for. so I manually added some more that I got from the deb source list thingy, but that didn't seem to help much. it's in the pastes, check the log.
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mod6: ben_vulpes: anyway, I'll play with it some more later today.
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11984 @ 0.0007365 = 8.8262 BTC [-]
othernubs`: you suggest importing most of the additions in 0.6.0, but 0.6.1-0.6.3 are all just bugfixes
othernubs`: parliament hill attack: 1 gunman dead after soldier shot at national war memorial
ben_vulpes: othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey
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mod6: <+ben_vulpes> othernubs`: i'm not even sold on importprivkey << how would you do this otherwise?
ben_vulpes: mod6: create an address and send coins to it?
Apocalyptic: it may be handy to generate a private key outside of the bitcoind mecanism
othernubs`: all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide
mod6: and what if you already have a private key that you'd like to import from cold storage? how would you send coins to new said address?
othernubs`: bridges between ottawa and gatineau all shut down
mod6: in other news... i think i fixed my deps problem.
mod6: so the debian source list generator thingy didn't put it in there that i need lines that tell me to go to just "squeeze" itself, not just "squeeze-updates" or w/e. will paste.
jurov: othernubs`: did you close the US border, to stop the terrorists?
mod6: "Cloning into bitcoin ..."
othernubs`: it's the most open border in the world :/
mod6: "Checking out v0.5.3"
mod6: looks like there might be an issue with that sed command tho
othernubs`: so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching?
mod6: awe shit. fuckin scrollback only set to 512 by default. gotta run this stuff again. one sec... working on it
ben_vulpes: it initially ended with :=0/d so as to rip the relevant line out. that'll still work.
mats_cd03: time for canada to become part of the caliphate
bounce: wasn't forking the point of the whole thing?
bounce: a list of CVEs and other security problems in bitcoin would be useful
bounce: probably would need to take the full tree and look at the diffs, backport the useful stuff and leave the cruft
bounce: the usg unfunded liabilities problem is mainly pensions, no?
mod6: so keep in mind that a lot of these packages got pulled successfully the first time. this is the second running after i bumped up the scrollback limit on the term:
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw, if oyu're going to maintain this, change satoshi's warn key.
mod6: Thanks PinkPosixPXE
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> so how long are we gonna diddle around here before one of us forks 0.5.3 and starts selectively patching? << not long.
mircea_popescu: <othernubs`> all canadian forces bases closed to public access nationwide << russians finally invading ?
mike_c: isn't somebody making a good alternative implementation? why take 0.5.3 as the b-a client.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ISIS invading, hell of a thing to wake up to.
mircea_popescu: and in general, when little bitches are asking for a thrashing, it's a good idea to give them a thrasing.
othernubs`: ;;google globe footage captures shoot out in parliament building site:youtube.com
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mircea_popescu: all they got is "How to Be a Devils Fan In Ottawa -- 2014-15 Edition" and "Tune in TONIGHT for "MAKERS: Women in War""
assbot: Globe footage captures shooting in Parliament building - YouTube
othernubs`: first shot took down a canadian soldier at the nat'l war memorial
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> sooo.... why military bases then ? // didn't get that either
bounce: dunno. police pretending to be militaree is all the rage now. has been for a while.
mircea_popescu: bounce even police tho. it's a basic fucking thing, what is this bullshit "i'ma lower my back in a crouch so as to reduce mobility and improve exposure"
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud. throwing like a girl, but for guns.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose asking the brave&bold to crawl for two hundred yards is way too much huh.
bounce: not everybody has the guts to walk in rod straight with a campaign hat instead of a helmet and going "I love the smell of napalm in the morning", you know.
othernubs`: maybe i should submit a bitbet about the war measures act being enabled again
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mircea_popescu: bounce and whoever does won't have em for long, you know ?
bounce: which is why they like their guns at the ready and their own profile minimised
mircea_popescu: seriously, that's not how it's done. these little bitches would get massacred if anyone seriously went at them.
bounce: they're police wannabe soldiers, not actual combat vets
bounce: so why is this assad character so completely reviled, beyond resisting the arab spring thing?
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bounce: not that that wouldn't have happened a bit later anyway, with the sharia-huggers
mircea_popescu: that was the first of since then numerous times putin shoved his cock in obama's butt.
BingoBoingo: bounce: He married a white girl is as far as I can tell.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: On a side note, I've noticed Roger Ver's bitcoinstore is not...around anymore? << well it wasn't really making all that much.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: anthony di iorio, very memorably (because i've never seen this before), replied to my gpg-gram... in plaintext. and it included my original email. in plaintext. <<< ahahahh.this is like, what, built from the ground up with derpidity in mind ?
bounce: stupid s/w and clueless user. it's what you get when most of the userbase is clueless: the writers of mailclients will also be clueless.
mircea_popescu: o so basically the idea is, client autodecrypted and then appended it to email history as per usual ?
bounce: dunno what happened. any user-agent headers in the original?
bounce has way too much to read. *sigh*
mircea_popescu: "339,192 US rank. This site reaches over 858 monthly people" << holy shit, it's not fucking possible that 1k people reading you on a monthly basis puts you in the top 300k sites on the internets.
bounce: them 'merkins really can't keep their fingers out of anything and they manage to fsck up everywhere. not a new observation, but it hasn't ceased to be painfully true either.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo : didja see quantcast's "affinity index" ? wired.com 32.7x reddit.com 26.2x zerohedge.com 26.1x theverge.com 20.8x wsj.com 19.3x. made to own, that thing.
bounce: mind the "us" part. that's only some large fraction of 310M people. there's at least as many people online in china, and europe again, and so on.
mircea_popescu: bounce but 1k ? it's like... anything is seen by a thousand people in a month.
bounce: you got the same numbers but for log.bitcoin-assets.com, just for comparison?
bounce: though that'd be the wrong thing to compare with. the other 'bitcoin'-news services would be better to compare with
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying earlier i love varnish ? pre varnish, 89,441 pages, 207,229 hits. post varnish ? 58,692pages 58,707 hits. saved 100k hits or so.
mircea_popescu: i am serious, there's just no way to run a web server w/o it.
mod6: there was 2 very minor changes to your sed command in there that PinkPosixPXE helped me with. needs to be: sed -i 's/USE_UPNP:=0/USE_UPNP=/1'
mod6: I'll paste the entire thing, just a sec.
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mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes would you two be interested in cochairing an ACTUAL bitcoin foundation ? dedicated to ~actually~ maintaining the bitcoin core etc ?
mod6: it'd be an honor, Sir.
mircea_popescu: draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate
jurov: what about Chief Scientist and 5 econ muppets positions?
mircea_popescu: jurov none of that, i'm thinking more of, have two co-chairs, then when one wants to go out they vote unanimously to add a third, and after 6 months the retiring one can leave.
jurov: i see. deaths are to be announced 6 moths prior, too.
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mircea_popescu: jurov well, ideally people on death's door aren't in the chair position.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dun thyink so. you see, it's by doing shit.
TheNewDeal: securing finances is just part of the mo?
jurov: ok srs. mod6 is a C++ programmer? or do you have any?
thickasthieves: should also require signed, narrated gpg for all distributions of funds
mod6: i've done a fair amount of C++ in the past. a lot more C though, I must admit.
mircea_popescu: hire people like eulora hires people, on gpg contract.
mats_cd03: this sounds like something i want to be involved in
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bounce: mod6: what'd you work on?
jurov: where do you accept patches? i have one pending (for multiple walletsw)
jurov: it's against 0.8, tho
mircea_popescu: well once they actually get the charter signerd i suppose there's going to be a geethoob
jurov: and i was told the code was refactored quite
bounce: they're starting to bitch about browser versions
bounce: perhaps not a good idea to rely on them. then again, hosting a git repo isn't exactly difficult.
mod6: bounce: noting in C++ that i can point to right this minute in OS space. Mostly C stuff is out there... my freebsd port I created is in C.
mircea_popescu: ah git. well u dunno man, that's why there's foundation chairs. sort this shit out.
mod6: oh a million years ago i created a port called 'destroy'
mod6: but been a freebsd guy for a long time, helped out on a lot of various things.
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mod6 fbsd since 4.2, obsd since 2.6
bounce: freebsd 4 best freebsd
thestringpuller: you don't know if you're on death's door if you get assinated
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, okay, if anyone gets ass-assinated we'll ad-hoc it k ?
mircea_popescu: no point in having pre-compiled code in case of exceptions. pre-compiled is for non exceptional stuff.
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bounce: do we have sources on us vs ru jet fighter quality other than herr orlov?
othernubs`: mircea_popescu> draft a charter, then it gets gpg signed and that's it ? i'd donate <<< me too
mircea_popescu: especially a shitty one run in circles through featuritis swamp by idiots
othernubs`: SatoshiCore: don't run with the chumps
mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past.
mircea_popescu: othernubs` there's really no cause to fork the name too. let the gavin-mike-dorkteam run into obscurity and that's that.
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mircea_popescu: this is bitcoin. that some other derps are calling their derpage bitcoin too... well who cares.
othernubs`: shit, drop the core and just call it Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the us congress calls itself sovereign. anyone can call anything
RagnarDanneskjol: spkg of name *motion to rename 'ACTUAL bitcoin foundation' to homebrew bitcoin club
mircea_popescu: hardly. it'd be the bitcoin foundation. because it's what it is.
jurov regs therealbitcoinfoundation.org
mircea_popescu: which is my fucking point. this "name and logo" approach to "ideas" is for the birds.
jurov: it'll just be project on github?
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othernubs`: mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline
jurov: will be hosted on an obscure ipv6 addy :DDD
othernubs`: canadian forces warning personnel not to wear their uniforms off-base?!
jurov: btcfoundation.org is regged to some "Matthew Campbell","Bryan Thomas Campbell Foundation", Scottsdale, US
othernubs`: soldier gets shot, solution is for all other soldiers to get naked
mod6: <+othernubs`> mod6 ben_vulpes put this book thing to rest once and for all; merge useful changes from 0.6.3 into 0.5.3 and call that your baseline << agreed.
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othernubs`: i'd recommend the next few minor releases merge as many non-crufty fixes from core as possible, but that's just one man's opinion
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othernubs`: asciilifeform, you okay with yr manuscript elucidating the forthcoming Real Bitcoin 0.6?
jurov: heh..wait till they break boost compat
bounce: how much boost is in there anyway?
othernubs`: calling it a book seems to boorish at this point
mike_c: charter ideas: 1) maintain a workable core with no shit in it. 2) specify bitcoin 3) write a new implementation because you can't polish a turd.
othernubs`: i don't think gui should be a priority, at all.
mod6: these are good ideas mike_c.
othernubs`: i'll donate 1btc specifically to guarantee no gui for 0.6-0.7
mod6: gotta make it work, before we make it pretty right
bounce: a workable api would be nice. the current js stuff is... er, open for improvement.
othernubs`: let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs
bounce: it's quite a lot useless if you're trying to build scripts with it, unless they're browser-based in some way
othernubs`: i don't want real bitcoin to come default w/ candy
othernubs`: open a bash prompt and type node wallet.js or w/e
bounce: yeah, that's the point. useless on the cli, where you'd throw awk at it instead.
jurov: well.. seems like we need to draft a roadmap
jurov: and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no?
jurov: qemu has poor i/o perf
bounce: no usage, no manpage, unobvious naming.
bounce: oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts?
bounce: they got derided for that, but really, the feature shouldn't have been in there in the first place. that, or something that actually did what it said it'd do.
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bounce: the problem with that is that the emulator itself should be widely available too.
jurov: i am fine with qemu... but... it builds and then what?
jurov: you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting?
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> i don't think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if they kill the qt branch it would be no loss anyway
bounce: the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> let others extend. i don't want gpg to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs << EXACTLY. do one thing, do it well.
bounce: probably should do multiple image formats for the time being though
mircea_popescu: all this non-unix bs, "gotta make an application to join curl and awk EACH WAY THEY COULD BE JOINED". for fiddy billion "different" aps.
bounce: one thing that would be useful but is probably not that trivial to implement is a way to split keeping the chain and keeping the keys
ben_vulpes: mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but this is amenable.
jurov: bounce this is nowallet=1 parameter since 0.9
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and if without gui, then it should work fine on cygwin, no? << probably.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> oh, and deceptive. recall that shop that relied on its "accounting" features, then found out the hard way they're useless for keeping track of accounts? << yeah and definitely must fix, but that'll be hard to do on the first pass. an excellent thing to do for first revision tho, take out "labels" implement accounts correctly (or merge coin control in, either way)
bounce: so how do the wallets relying on it then ascertain the validity of the chain that instance serves?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> qemu is available just about anywhere << this is true.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you have to feed it a blockchain to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have the patience can just make their own
bounce: it's still going to be a bitch for shops that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake << also true.
jurov: you can run qemu under xen and whatnot fine
bounce: though boost is a right pain and bloody big.
mircea_popescu: which is another very valid 2nd step, audit the motherucker.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it.
jurov: how it is better as distributing signed binaries?
othernubs`: maybe it's fair to put the burden of the system's basic integrity on the user
ben_vulpes: i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there?
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing this : asciilifeform the one thing you'd be most halpful with would be, look into the god damned rand code/crypto uses thereof.
mircea_popescu: there HAVE been cases where bitcoin used shitty entropy.
jurov: yes, you can make the qemu image available for reproducible builds, but dunno if to advertise as sop for everyone
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter, then we can bitch at it. << okay :)
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat.
othernubs`: if you guys need assistance editing it, i may be of some help
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck.
othernubs`: highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a technical writing course ;0
jurov: vakgrind can use either?
mircea_popescu: <mod6> <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are there good examples out there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le.
bounce: redo the whole thing in cl in a night already
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks, good point.
mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified third parties, which is to say parties that have not satisfied their log reading and wot presence prequalifications."
☟︎ mod6: we'll draft up something, probably have something for all to look at by end of tomorrow or friday? hope that's not too long.
mod6: ok. sounds good. we'll dig in. :)
mircea_popescu: if lenin were alive today lenin would be begging us to let him in this chan.
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah speaking of all this comotion, any chance we get the deedbot up by fri ?
jurov just snatched therealbitcoin.org/.com . we'll see.
☟︎ bounce: can throw a git repo at it for starters
bounce: though no, best put a ssh thingy for commit on it
jurov: via irc bots! bring the noize!
bounce: no idea how that works. you'd have to have git check against valid gpg sigs from blessed keys or something?
mircea_popescu: jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o that : a contrib that is signed is signed permanently.
mircea_popescu: a contrib that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point.
bounce: no real point trying to go through bots when git can do it right away
jurov: i have to look into how signed commits are done
mircea_popescu: jurov it can just be wrapped in gpg --clearsign you know ?
bounce: you can have git trigger a log whatnot and feed that to the other end of a bot
jurov: mircea_popescu: but iirc it signs the diff, not just commit message
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah should be up by friday
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: we need to create that "have read" accounting scheme i was talking about weeks ago.
kakobrekla: (while pretending you can run 'safe' sw)
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to trust this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's another to trust it because asciilifeform commited it, and therefore perhaps read it, and it's open source so therefore "billions of eye pairs"
kakobrekla: all will be same, just you will be pissed at other people
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform commenting the source code is never a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: commenting it to show when it won't work rather than "what you imagine it does" is even more useful.
kakobrekla: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:29b32a6e9c213016f07aaf303a9adac1b91adf57541c8ff3d298f2fc
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mircea_popescu: people need a lot more negativity in their life to be happy and productive and members of society.
Plaxant: mircea_popescu agree, if you have no negativity in your life you skate and just don't care about doing better.
Plaxant: it's like trying to eliminate stress, never going to happen.
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bounce: I'd probably want a mailinglist to toss patches around, though
kakobrekla: yeah well i wonder why is anyone still connected to irc being all idealistic and shit
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jurov: i vote for patch delivery via ICBMs
mircea_popescu: never underestimate the importance of crackpot demands.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla didn't, no. you're too dry for this language :)
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bounce: *nobody able to discern any change*
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kakobrekla: weird some nuke doesnt go off when i do !up
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'you lamer, betcha own x86 boxes and like it, trololol' << pete got a bunch of that on his software doesn't fail recent thing too
mircea_popescu: ;;google what the wot is, how it works and how to use it
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mircea_popescu: if you ended up stranded on the island of ugly women, you WOULD fuck ugly women, until they had some less ugly daughters to fuck
mircea_popescu: then you'd make the two least ugly make out together, too.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the dignity of virgins is a metaphysical subject.
bounce: tiger dogs. very chinese thing to do.
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bounce: how do they manage to take a picture and end up feeding it to the package installer? o_O
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the paclkage manager handles pics on a routine basis
bounce: then I'd say "user friendly" is the security vulnerability here
bounce: similarly with some of the vectors to use shell shock. how does a dns lookup request end up on the server being fed to a bash process, exactly?
bounce: "idiot user" is too easily said. the real problem is lack of education and devs going "oh we'll make the software SMRT so you don't have to think at all!"
mircea_popescu: bounce you mayhap have a point. iirc this vuln was writing past the end tag and adding a 2nd spurious end tag.
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mod6: mpex seems down for me.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
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empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
mod6: hmm. i can't get to any of 'em, maybe i r blocked
kakobrekla: yes i understand, i was just checking if there something wrong with the feed when mod6 mentioned 'down'
kakobrekla: im listening to some french dude and can hardly assemble sentences at same time
bounce: how about trying to assemble french sentences?
kakobrekla: takes too much brainpower to parse and decrypt frenchmen
mircea_popescu: this is how they went from world empire to belgian suburb.
assbot: Warren Buffett's Berkshire loses $2 billion in two days - Oct. 21, 2014
mircea_popescu: but i mean big fucking deal, when bitcoin went from 1200 to 600 i "lost" like a bn too.
mircea_popescu: But it's not all bad news for Berkshire. Investors are sticking with their icon. Berkshire stock climbed slightly on Monday and Tuesday, and is up more than 17% this year -- far outpacing the broader market. <<< consider this lulz.
mircea_popescu: ko missed, tesco lost 50% yoy, ibm just paid a bn to gut itself. so now it's basically a real estate agent (as previously discussed, in these very logs, before the news hit)
undata: "sticking with their icon" captures it
mike_c: berkshire isn't a holding company.
mike_c: or, an investment fund.
mike_c: couple stock holdings taking a hit isn't that big a deal
mike_c: s/holding company/investment fund/
mircea_popescu: if it loses the usg bezzle lifeline (wf) it's gonna be "all" rather than "some" tho.
mike_c: your FUD won't win you that bitbet ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00073459 = 7.0888 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder if his continued purchases as the stock market goes down indicate that the bonds will get axed or that he's out of the loop
mike_c: berkshire wells fargo holdings are currently worth $24B
mike_c: which represents 7% of brk.a market cap
mike_c: plus he would get good tax benefits if it went to 0
mike_c: warren has a fortress. not easily assailable.
mircea_popescu: mike_c except if the dow continues doing 1-2 percents a day for the next three months.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform iirc you mentioned some skin irritation/allergies and the lack of those in ro?
mike_c: last 3 months: dow -5%, brk +7%
BingoBoingo: I dunno just quoting site that calls itself "domain tools"
BingoBoingo: the 127.0.0.1 may simply be a historical record
assbot: ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;qntra.net.INA ;; ANSWER SECTION: qntra.net.0IN - Pastebin.com
gribble: Error: "QUESTION" is not a valid command.
mike_c: *** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find qntra.net: Server failed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know local host, but didn't qntra.net point there at one point?
mircea_popescu: well, until i hear any better this is neither malicious nor qntra/polimedia ns specific.
mircea_popescu: some dns infrastructure just caught fire and fell over it seems
mike_c: yeah, your nameservers
bounce: you may have a local cache that hasn't timed out yet
bounce: what was that across-the-globe dns thingy again?
mike_c: nslookup qntra.net 206.190.151.180
assbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform x86, transmittable over irc
bounce: yes, thanks. broken everywhere.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18492 @ 0.00073708 = 13.6301 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: cazalla some dns issue i dunno wtf it is but being workt on
jurov: mkay...so is there a consensus what should therealbitcoin host? only
http git repo for now?
bounce: oh. ha ha. so, [x] laughed. next item.
mike_c: in short order it will be hosting the charter i assume.
empyex: FabianB: [S.QNTR] Bids: 1000 @ 0.00014000 10000 @ 0.00013514 20000 @ 0.00012995 100000 @ 0.00009995
empyex: FabianB: [S.QNTR] Asks:
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.biz Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.coinbr.com (706 milliseconds), mpex.co (947 milliseconds), mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (error), mpex.biz (error)
empyex: FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: ✗
jurov: okay, so i'll go make s3 bucket for it. if someone throws terabytes/day on it and makes it expensive for me then we'll see what next
kakobrekla: well it doesnt need to be up at all times
jurov: FabianB: mircea asked for it to be cached
jurov: so it is 5 mins or so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00073942 = 6.9505 BTC [+]
FabianB: jurov: is vwap and depth mixed up?
jurov: obv they aren't cached/invalidated at the same time
FabianB: jurov: no, coinbr vwap.php shows mktdepth.php content
FabianB: that's why mpexstatus shows vwap as being broken i think
FabianB: it only checks the health indicator line for the first proxy (fastest ping proxy), which above was coinbr proxy
kakobrekla: just like asciilifeform slaves in the us i must talk to strangers over email :(
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla at least you don;t have to moderate for child porn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00073942 = 3.845 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: better than ignoring the sender would be making the sender unable to send in the first place.
bounce: shortwave radio mailing lists? o_O?
bounce would like bitcoin address-signed mail. if you're going ahead with the signage requirement, lemme see if I can whip up a verifier for that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla by the way, intel sez that the reason you've not heard from sgornick nor will you is that the guy meanwhile figured out i'm involved, and doesn't like me either because i said nigger or cunt at some point in the past. <<< what a fucking cunt
Apocalyptic: "bitcoin address-signed mail" // meh, what's wrong with gpg keys ?
bounce: the email signage is clunky. both kinds. all kinds, really.
bounce: the ecdsa stuff is short enough to fit conveniently in a header or two
mircea_popescu: okay. i have nfi what happened there, but rolled new dns servers and all seems well ?
nubbins`: someone more familiar with github than I should probably set up the repository
nubbins`: just clone 0.5.3 into it for now and we can identify what gets chucked from there
bounce: no ugly as fuck crap added to the body, basically. proper integration with email by using its facilities instead of reinventing them, clunkily.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu am i even better in person?!
nubbins`: mp i hope you tricked him into thinking he was gonna print a bunch of stuff
mircea_popescu: bounce i was talking about "sign with bitcoin address"
BingoBoingo: My worry with ECDSA for signing critical things is using the same keypair too many times increases the chances a bad k can enter the mix
nubbins`: actually i suppose a better idea is to deturdify 0.5.3 first
mircea_popescu: perhaps as important : bitcoin addresses are for getting paid. NOT for proving your identity
nubbins`: no sense including turds in first commit
nubbins`: so clone 0.5.3 to our tree as 0.5.3
nubbins`: remove qt etc, add non-shit additions from 0.6-0.6.3
nubbins`: dance into the sunset holding hands
mike_c: why not release it as real 0.1
mike_c: it's not 0.6 rly either
mircea_popescu: i could see an argument for releasing it as the real 0.9 tho
mike_c: hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding.
nubbins`: i'd be more in favor of mirroring derp release numbers for now
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 17:56:50; othernubs`: copy the cream, chuck the crap
nubbins`: next release, 0.7, takes actual improvements from 0.7.* series and weeds out crud
mike_c: why the fuck would this project follow in derpy footsteps?
bounce: guy got the order right
nubbins`: this is assuming there are useful bugfixes in 0.7-0.9
mike_c: right, which is v0.1 - pillaging.
nubbins`: this is what, a couple weeks of sifting to identify em
mike_c: because it will be different (and better)
PeterL: but it will still be "bitcoin"
mike_c: and that is worth signifying, instead of looking like a clone.
mike_c: exactly, so why follow their lead?
mircea_popescu: the wanna-bes on the outskirts of bitcoin are making baseless claims to a continuity that doesn't exist.
mike_c: i would rather use b-a bitcoin v0.1 over derpy bitcoin v0.9
mircea_popescu: mike_c the crocodile that opens maw to let stuff in, then lets water back out is not following toads lead.
mike_c: yeah, and to follow this odd analogy, it doesn't call itself "toad". it calls itself "crocodile"
nubbins`: anyway, getting ahead of ourselves
cazalla: bounce wishes the politicians would show some spine here. take their local passport, wave goodbye, declare them europe-wide persona non grata for all eternity. problem solved. <<< they sorta did that here but cancelled the passports so that they couldn't leave australia and not after
mircea_popescu: mike_c think of it strategically. won't it be funny when usgavin is stuck arguing that a) he's forking bitcoin and b) it's the real bitcoin ?
mike_c: fractional versions serve purpose normally (not in bitcoincore fantasyland)
PeterL: why not just call it 1.0?
PeterL: what does it need to be mature?
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mike_c: 1.0 can be the first version that has no more bitcoincore legacy code in it
mircea_popescu: what may perhaps happen is a day when gavin, mike and co finally go full-ethereum
mircea_popescu: and make a "bitcoin" that has no more bitcoin in it at all.
undata: BingoBoingo: I remember that; bizarre
nubbins`: do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6
PeterL: windows thing and call it Bitcoin 2014
mike_c: my instinct is that any versioning system other than following the derps would be better
mod6: <+nubbins`> do the java thing and call it Bitcoin 6 << haha
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu you may get gavin & co to ethereum mode sooner rather than later
mircea_popescu: mike_c not a bad instinct generally, but gotta start somewhere.
undata: asciilifeform: would the "crystalline" form only describe features? this seems to fly in the face of the "provably correct" conversation of the other day
undata: in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes
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mike_c: <+undata> in that there will always be ways to break things, and always a need for fixes << yeah.. one way to break things is to add "fixes"
undata: mike_c: yes one way, but certainly not the only
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones so basically.. maxwell, wuille towards the end, and WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE lol
los_pantalones: on the phone was told 'a bunch of people from bitcoin core dev'
BingoBoingo: Wait, isn't sidechains just namecoin or any other merge mined thing, but without history?
mircea_popescu: "Francesca Hall Co-Founder Since joining Blockstream as team coordinator, she has become an expert in complex systems, chaos theory, system automation, and large scale organizational challenges"
BingoBoingo: Except each side chain gets their own deedbot?
mircea_popescu: i want some smart chicks that become experts in complex systems and chaos theory over a semester
thickasthieves: <+mike_c> hey thickasthieves, wake up and back me up. this things needs different branding. /// well i think the whole .0.0 whatever shit is retarded
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well, prolly not the same, but intel has "The latest Tweets from Francesca Hall (@FrancescaHRH). In the semi final heat for Miss England 2015 " to share.
thickasthieves: <+asciilifeform> ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. /// yeah, see
kakobrekla: .0.0... retarded << very much << yes it does look like retarded emoticon
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones o no fucking way, they got like a dozen and they're all co founders and supposedly equally so ?!
assbot: FTDI Reportedly Bricking Devices Using Competitors' Chips. - Slashdot
mircea_popescu is seriously considering expanding the derps. this is good shit.
mircea_popescu: "Jorge Timón Co-Founder Jorge Timón is a software engineer with 4 years of experience at Indra, working on big international projects including software for several insurance companies."
thickasthieves: <+kakobrekla> blockstream has nice logo -- not bad, i'd have gone for less segments in the icon
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones uhm... from what i hear the 50 mn reports may be grossly exaggerated.
kakobrekla: thickasthieves more segments, more mm.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if i donate to the bitcoin foundation a btc and consider maybe donating another 100 in time
bounce: actually bricking? oh dear. that is maybe a little too enthousiastic. but the poor chinese copies claiming to be ftdi then only implementing half the stuff and causing trouble that reflects badly on ftdi would tire me out, honestly.
bounce wouldn't be surprised to learn the chips bricked themselves because they're not up to spec
bounce: setting product id to 0. didn't know they even had programmable vid/pid
bounce: and, hm, if the device proclaims to be vendor x / product y, then does the vendor have a right to say "but I didn't make this, this is fake. not my product" and set product id to 0?
bounce: first sale doctrine probably says "no" though. but oh so tempting.
bounce: by the time the driver hits the owner is the client, not the fake vendor nor the real vendor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.0007413 = 16.7534 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you may recall a deffective automobile even if the owner is the owner not you
bounce: the owner will still have to voluntarily submit the product back to the vendor.
cazalla: bounce: ;;seen mistere <<< after #b-a went +m, he said he was leaving
bounce: er. how did the owner say "yes please?", given that they evidently didn't see it coming?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, it'd be funny if the first sale doctrine protected the owners of counterfit gucci bags.
mircea_popescu: be like, "yeah, it's a fake, but you can't do jack because this guy paid that guy ten bux for it."
bounce: hm. I don't think they've been gone after, have they?
bounce: not sure if it'd make sense to even put the defense on first sale, but worth a shot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.0007416 = 6.8227 BTC [+]
bounce: anyhow, I get where they're coming from but it's still a dodgy move.
mircea_popescu: my point was entirely that the first sale thing prolly won't take you far.
bounce: prolly not. tortuous to say the least. but lots of legal wrangling is exactly that.
bounce: you're saying legal eagles are a bunch of sloppy cunts?
mircea_popescu: you know, the same way "phenotypically divergent" does not necessarily mean an extremely skinny chick with extremely large tits and improbably long legs. it could also mean disproportionately large head
BingoBoingo: Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act would prolly be the way to protect your bootleg usb chips in US court
mircea_popescu: bingo's just as tortured, but it looks maybe more fit to thrive.
assbot: Why You Can't Manufacture Like Apple - Slashdot
bounce: ``The licence only allows use of the Software with, and the Software will only work with Genuine FTDI Components (as defined in the Licence Terms). Use of the Software as a driver for a component that is not a Genuine FTDI Component MAY IRRETRIEVABLY DAMAGE THAT COMPONENT.'' -- well, they did do and went covered their arse.
mike_c: holy shit i just wasted 5 minutes of my life.
mike_c: you don't want to read it anyway
mircea_popescu: if someone makes a powerpoint they may be worth a fuck, but if someone makes a pdf its not worth your time.
bounce: so save us four minutes and tell us why?
mike_c: sidechains! pegged to bitcoin! don't worry about the fact that it won't fucking work and the sidechains will collapse. we'll figure something out.
bounce: this that old thing again or did someone do a similar thing anew?
mike_c: also requires a "soft-fork" of bitcoin, but don't worry, that's not as bad as a hard fork.
bounce: not that I paid attention the first time around, mind.
mike_c: yeah but they didn't have symmetric two way pegs.
assbot: Our plan of action : TakeBack4chan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073942 = 9.1688 BTC [-]
bounce: I'm oblivious as to the drama that spawned this
bounce: uh, no. they're faking the ftdi vid/pid so the driver'll work
bounce: well, yes, they probably should sell, say, fractional VIDs (VID+16 PIDs or so) for a nicely small fraction of the cost
bounce: (there was a guy that did exactly that, expressly for hobbyist purposes, but he got shot down, I think)
bounce: domain names have a slightly bigger available space
bounce: for comparison, OUIs cost $1250 last time I checked
bounce: ISBN blocks come in variable sizes. forgot the size of the price structure.
assbot: Bowker | Identifier Services
bounce: they're apparently about to run out of numbers. so they tack on three digits for a net gain of one bit
bounce wasn't too impressed by that move
undata: death to centralized number peddlers
undata: what prevented device IDs being uuids?
bounce: well, there's these cheap chinese boxes that come without MAC assigned; somewhere on bootup it'll just make one up
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 21:06:55; gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.
bounce: that's like, really useful if you're trying to manage your shop over dhcp
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mircea_popescu: wait, this is a disease you don;t have but gets you welfare ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know invisible illness like schizophrenia of HIV++
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: AIDs is visible, not very, but visible
undata: mircea_popescu: was born in florida; this checks out
bounce: you can take the man out of florida, but can you take florida out of the man?
undata: bounce: I chant "outlier" at night to help myself sleep.
assbot: Blackwater Guards Found Guilty in Iraq Shootings - ABC News
bounce: until your neighbours call the cops to report a disturbance of the peace?
bounce: too clean to understand this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15651 @ 0.00073811 = 11.5522 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for my sins, this query is readily but abundantly satisfied.
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TheNewDeal: hey nubbins` , good sir, can I get a rating for purchasing them posters :D?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, i'm very parsimonious with my ratings
gribble: You have not yet rated user TheNewDeal
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getratings TheNewDeal
gribble: Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "getratings" in it. Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getrating TheNewDeal
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TheNewDeal!ce2d690b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.105.11 . User TheNewDeal, rated since Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014. Cumulative rating 4, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheNewDeal BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Care to do a tour in the newsmines?
TheNewDeal: is that an invitation to write an article?
nubbins`: TheNewDeal you know those are better ratings than i had for a long time :P
TheNewDeal: but I did purchase 2 posters from you. Want everyone to know I'm a bitcoin art connoisseur
nubbins`: TheNewDeal, a man's gotta have criteria and you don't meet it, sorry
BingoBoingo: Oh mircea_popescu was slow this time, probably becaus more age
nubbins`: i give out ratings like candy, they'll be worthless
nubbins`: you want everyone to know you're a connoisseur, post some pics of your poster to the thread ;D
BingoBoingo is really liking this switch to just ETOH+mixer
TheNewDeal: I don't see how it'd be worthless. In fact, if someone wanted to do business with me, they could literally ask you how it went
reggiesells: noob here, what the heck did you guys just do with those irc commands?
nubbins`: reggiesells, gribble manages our web of trust for us
reggiesells: thanks! @BingoBoingo, i almost lost my voice earlier
nubbins`: TheNewDeal and i'd say "yeah, guy sent me btc, i sent him a poster" and they would not have any new information upon which to judge your character
BingoBoingo: reggiesells: Well it happens on a 30 minute timers. assbot rules over us all unequally
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
bounce: what's the cost of getting a driver signed and added to the store by redmond?
nubbins`: like $4k for vendor id and driver signing
nubbins`: with the bulk of that being for the VID
bounce: stopped reading the thing. too wordy, going nowhere.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a "hey, homeostatic systems have finite recourse"
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, they do. nevertheless, ever since i can recall my process was to stay up until i was sleepy and then sleep until i woke up.
jurov: i guess parents did not destroy your endocrine system by placating you with sweets
mircea_popescu: one of the things in family folklore re my childhood is this one time when they got a large jar of homemade jam from up in the pantry where it was kept (why ?) and while discussing if to make it crepes or what
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i slept pretty well there. nice idea the boxspring
mircea_popescu: anyway, there is some merit to this entire "sucks to be me" approach to obesity. while i have been catching on a little weight as an adult male, it's still mostly a case of, if i overeat my body just turns it to heat, usually on the spot.
mircea_popescu: "why am i so hot ? a wait, that was a third desert wasn't it. plus alcohol."
bounce: spontaneous combustion and so on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11165 @ 0.00073488 = 8.2049 BTC [-]
jurov: but it doesn't say which url exactly
undata: as long as you're somewhere where the sun will wake you up
undata: side note: I happen to be an inmate that sleeps when he pleases
undata: americans are just lazy; you can still have freedom here
bounce: that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte.
bounce: doesn't say if that's for mobile only or fixed too.
undata: it doesn't take that much wealth to self-sustain
nubbins`: it's more a function of what you consume than what your income is
undata: I suppose all 320mil of us work at McDonalds leaving only to go through the drive-through at Burger King in your fantasy.
undata: asciilifeform: you said you were russian, right?
undata: speaking of countries filled with useless people
undata: asciilifeform: I share the distaste for merkuh, but... broad brush.
nubbins`: asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left
bounce: "broad brush" "no broader brush" "oh okay"
undata: bounce: as long as we're all covered in shit.
undata: some socialist logic for you
bounce: you pinko commie socialist, you
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ?
bounce: yeah yeah you're first, you win
undata: bounce: trying to balance out the socialism, ok?
mircea_popescu: <bounce> that hungarian "internet tax", 150 forints / gigabyte (or part thereof). that's .49 euro / gigabyte. <<< it's al ulzfest. the gb costs about 1 cent or so atm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you - which you. herr buffett can sleep when he pleases, likewise, i hear. << not so. not when the dow is ding ding dinging downwards.
bounce: depends on where you get it. mobile or fixed or wholesale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00073488 = 18.078 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> asciilifeform came to see a sonic youth show and never left << lol too funnay.
BingoBoingo wishes for gas station gift card deniminated in gallons of gas rather than dollars of gas.
BingoBoingo: I'd simply hodl it and use the appreciation to get the liquor
bounce didn't catch where they were levying that tax, or what they were imagining the prices currently paid to be
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nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> <asciilifeform> my mental concept of freedom is more or less synonymous with never setting an alarm clock again. << ha! not even for say, a comet ? <<< i'm down to one alarm a week
nubbins`: amazing the effect this has on one's attitude and outlook
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you were born in odessa ? then you do have ru citizenship no ?
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Seems shady, 404 on the "how this works" page
mike_c: yeah, i ran into it a couple years ago. seems to have lost steam with falling gas prices (shocking).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00073765 = 4.6103 BTC [+] {2}
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BingoBoingo: I'd more prefer a solution offered by a conveniece store chain I despise.
nubbins`: and yes he wears that sword every day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Looks like the Seargent at Arms
nubbins`: BingoBoingo indeed the sgt at arms
nubbins`: apparently emptied his weapon, went back to his office to grab more bullets
BingoBoingo knew Model UN would be useful for something
BingoBoingo: I chaired the Science and Technology committee.
mircea_popescu: "The engineNextBytes function in classlib/modules/security/src/main/java/common/org/apache/harmony/security/provider/crypto/SHA1PRNG_SecureRandomImpl.java in the SecureRandom implementation in Apache Harmony through 6.0M3, as used in the Java Cryptography Architecture (JCA) in Android before 4.4 and other products, when no seed is provided by the user, uses an incorrect offset value, which makes it easier for attackers
mircea_popescu: to defeat cryptographic protection mechanisms by leveraging the resulting PRNG predictability, as exploited in the wild against Bitcoin wallet applications in August 2013."
mircea_popescu: quite. mp still recalls the profusely apologetic "we fucked up the init and consequently ppl got pwned" stuff coming out of the chief scientists
mircea_popescu: "The HTTPAuthorized function in bitcoinrpc.cpp in bitcoind 0.8.1 provides information about authentication failure upon detecting the first incorrect byte of a password, which makes it easier for remote attackers to determine passwords via a timing side-channel attack."
nubbins`: "what's your password?" "P-A-S-S-Q.." "WRONG"
assbot: Tim Lincecum Missed The World Series Intros Because He Was Barfing
assbot: Cops: Substitute Teacher Gave H.S. Footballer Oral Sex During Pep Rally
BingoBoingo: Also www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/haunted-house-assault-lawsuit-786543
bounce: which reminds me. there need to be automated regression tests.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:ditch the fractional versions. 1, 2, 3, infinity. natural numbers. << except we use.... roman numerals.
BingoBoingo: So... anyone spot the new qntra design++ yet?
nubbins`: i'd guess the favicon even though it hasn't loaded for me yet
BingoBoingo: jurov: Won't show until you restart firefox
pete_dushenski: los_pantalones: just heard these guys closed 50mm << inching closer to that magic $bn
pete_dushenski: lol blockstream has "gregory maxwell" on its list of founders.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Do you know what the truly beautiful thing about softforks is?
nubbins`: jurov git works now. what version is this?
jurov: nubbins` just a clone of github
jurov: git does not like getting 403 instead of 404
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, that they prevent people using newer software from making or recognizing certain transactions.
jurov: nubbins` an idea: what about making the Q more like opinion bubble?
jurov: like speech in comics
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: That is the literal reading of the Thermos bitcoin wiki definition of softfork
pete_dushenski: so i'm guessing no spv will work on the bitcoin i ? so no more multibit?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Older version of Multibit don't need bloom filters...
BingoBoingo: Also as I said last night, running the occasional 0.8.x node is polite...
jurov: and i asked last night, what's so evil about 0.8/9?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ok. so up to what version of multibit are we talking here?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well I use 0.5.11 because it is what still lets me use higher than pennies tx fees
BingoBoingo: jurov: I think the evil is simply the distance + proximity to Hearn
BingoBoingo: jurov: At least as far as concretes can be found
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jurov: seems rather superstitious to me... but yes, starting at 0.5 and adding new stuff only after review is a plan
BingoBoingo: Superstitious in itself is not ideal, but... Hearn did trigger a hardfork...
mircea_popescu: jurov the major code reorg that caused a fork. factual.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The idea I floated last week was purple and orange, but cazalla reminded me colorblindness is a thing.
jurov: iirc bdb caused a fork, no?
mircea_popescu: leveldb / poorly understood / not tested new code caused a fork
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Honestly, prolly best to remain greyscal friendly
mircea_popescu: leveldb in and of itself is whatever, maybe not the first choice for a db. leveldb as implemented by hearn was an attack on bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the fact that we survived does not mean they didn't try.
BingoBoingo: Leveldb google turd does actually seem to be higher performance than the BDB oracle turd, but... yes consequences.
gribble: Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652
jurov: okay i see, there's lot of new code not properly reviewed
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo MultiBit Version 0.5.11 Changes + Implemented issue 96 - Sign and Verify message. << that's it!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: And after that I wanted for nothing more from an SPV client
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 634748.22 in 1303 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 35.18
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1502.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 0.00 TH/s
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo the only interesting one you're missing out on is "#181. Improved build to check dependencies using Gary's dependency checker." lol
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's a java turd. I holds keys with decreasing amounts of funds and handles a few adresses funds might still come to.
BingoBoingo: It's more private than using electrum on a public server, but far from using an actual client
gribble: Current Blocks: 326536 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36054837706.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.00652
assbot: Kent Pitman's Home Page
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Sort of thing you might use on a netbook with just enough BTC to pay your own ransom
bounce: another interesting task: figure out what the db really needs to be doing then find well-tested code that can do it
mircea_popescu couldn't give less of a shit about whatever "star" the ustardians have produced this week.
mircea_popescu: i might review what this guy has to say sometime in 21xx, maybe.
BingoBoingo: Has wallet encryption. You can "given them your last penny" to the extent they can see it...
BingoBoingo: Paying one's own ransom as a protocol probably won't be perfected though until assbot's level 1 consists entirely of nuclear powers.
mircea_popescu: jurov: wtf is "individual terrorist undertaking"? << basically, what you're doing here.
BingoBoingo: "Data Center that can't be disconnected" from a safe range
mircea_popescu: chetty incidentally, the french are also building their own gulag, huh
BingoBoingo: After that we just need a few super mutants and then New Reno
mircea_popescu: bounce: announce that loud and clear and everybody knows what the score is. "if you want to go there, you're dead to us." << it won't work.
BingoBoingo: Nah, they are just aping the us like the monkeys those frogs really are
mircea_popescu: bounce: I don't care if maladjusted angry youths want to run away and make trouble in a war zone. I do care if they come back, recruit some more kids (to do the same), cause trouble, shoot some jews, what have you. << how else do you expect the shithole to be fixed ?
mircea_popescu: "Three Colorado high school students may have been playing hooky so they could run away and join ISIS — apparently seduced by their twisted campaign of terror and hatred. The girls, ages 15, 16 and 17, never showed up to their Denver-area school on Friday because they were en route to Turkey via Germany," <<< much better chicks than any "feminist" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: White kids from ladue studying with Black kids from Ferguson and North City?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00073881 = 8.3752 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: apparently you can void passports for truancy now, in the bestest america.
undata: you can void life without due process; what's a passport?
BingoBoingo: You can apparently void passports for angry county courts in Usia
mircea_popescu: undata the same obnoxious farts that create this "passport" that means no rights are also wondering why even a teenager if she has any sense wants to bomb them off the planet.
mircea_popescu: year, really, i wonder why the fuck is it that the best kids that the us can produce want to go help isis burn the whole world.
mircea_popescu: it certainly couldn't be because the world sucks, right ?
undata: mircea_popescu: that's that suicidal streak I was talking about
undata: US culture is as ready to kill itself as the rest of the world is to help it do so.
mircea_popescu: othernubs`: i thought medium was the sort of site where literally anyone can publish? <<< medium is, essentially, the sort of venue created to give the impression of a #b-a to the 99% idiots who can't tell the difference.
mircea_popescu: so as to create the illusion that there's no actual support for simple stuff like "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground."
mircea_popescu: i forget what this is called in us politics, but o yeah, "splitting the vote"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu "either you renounce ALL your laws or we burn you to the ground." << now here's a radical concept. probably the same one that was invoked at parliament hill today
jurov: mircea_popescu: odessa changed country meanwhile
pete_dushenski: i'm off to watch grown ass men with skates chase a black disk around a frozen pond. enjoy your eve b-a!
BingoBoingo impressed that Argentine citizenship merely requires two years residence and an income, true land of the free
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I think the game was postponed
jurov: !s asciilifeform passport
jurov: !s asciilifeform russian passport
jurov: !dox asciilifeform
assbot: !s asciilifeform russian passport