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TheNewDeal: what's the historical background on the first one?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. << Not sure if I've discussed the shotglass as pieces variant in chan, but am familiar with it.
BingoBoingo: Working through logs, but belt fed mod may have also been something I mentioned in the past.
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undata: "the ransomware operator provides customer service and assistance." << that's rich.
cazalla: fixed typo before anyone mentions it
cazalla: any issue with akismet? nike really want to advertise their jordans on qntra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00075784 = 13.9821 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: LOL. yes yes. voice acting subpar, but the last line in the clip is a communist patriot toasting: "To capitalism"
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish. <<< like you know, turn everything on its head, making current arrangements obsolete
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 16:45:02; asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that's about three days before the random shootings of anyone known to be associated with usg start.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you perhaps remember the history of how that plays out. after all, the tsar tried it.
mircea_popescu: " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish"
mircea_popescu: jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around" << myeah.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok' << the problem with the mostly ok thing is that intelligent people tend to build but loathe to maintain.
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so attracted to software (it never fails)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15261 @ 0.00075881 = 11.5802 BTC [+] {2}
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings << they are stupid and how dare you demand they be consistent!
mircea_popescu: direct application of "i have tried and therefore nobody should criticize me"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps"
mircea_popescu: undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded. << it's an act of love, you just don't know how the world works.
undata: mircea_popescu: I wish someone would dig her a hole so she could fill it back in again.
undata: as for the second, *shrug*
mircea_popescu: it's impractical for the aliens to keep coming to dig holes where to dispose of the us consumer garbage.
undata: oh, no, the next generation of garbage is coming up
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct? << maximal.
undata: I watched a video earlier of one of the younger Bushes, who's now Texas Land Commissioner
undata: one of those posts they hand out to the kids to prep them for later
mircea_popescu: actually no, you're right, gotta follow their getworks
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps" << I imagine this scene happening with alf in a tent. No context is given for the tent until he gets up to take a shit and the view sees the tend is in an otherwise pedestrian living room and emblazoned with the messa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code. << why would anyone do that ? it's difficult to trust the authenticity of a stolen thing, which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence in legal proceedings
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so the pool operators really decide if the hard fork goes off, correct?
mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.
mircea_popescu: which, if you recall, was o noes, 50% at some point and lo and behold, not a year later it is nothing.
ben_vulpes: "death of the preivous hard fork" meaning the actions that brought everyone onto the same chain?
mircea_popescu: the general idea is that nobody who gets involved into something like this in any capacity and on any side survives. period.
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undata: cenk uygur quoted as saying "durr hurr... republicans"
undata: guy's such a partisan hack
cazalla: ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency", andreas kick this shit off with "blockchain technology" and now everyone is repeating this shit
cazalla: undata, seems that way, it comes across contrived
undata: cazalla: he's a shittier Bill Maher for the internet, without even the redeemer of being funny
thestringpuller: undata: Bill Maher is kind of annoying at times. He's very preachy about socialist-like policies.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know. I just imagine cinematic you has one as well.
undata: thestringpuller: I watched that one :)
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cazalla: an example, altogether, maybe i need some coffee
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At least head has protection in its "floor" unlike Obama tent
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency" <<< yep. classic approach. "it's not the barrel that we're affraid of, it's the crazy shit stuck on all sides of rifle".
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undata: mthreat: I just read that; what an asshat
undata: "is scam because isn't money" and "blockchain technology!"
mircea_popescu: maybe we should just publish a schematic, help these dumbasses self-rebutt
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case the best rebuttal is letting the guy do whatever he does after "setting sights"
cazalla: it's ofn, qntra covered it like 2 weeks ago
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10998 @ 0.00075679 = 8.3232 BTC [-] {2}
undata: that guy has the smirk of a kid who just pissed the pool on purpose
mircea_popescu: you mean where private first class amanda stole all the data ?
ben_vulpes: so i've got a jenkins building this crazy stripped down build
ben_vulpes: truly a hanky story, but it's a step towards integration tests and what has one
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mircea_popescu: "We also need to find the sender's address, so we know where to send the money. This is done by looking at the inputs of the original transaction. The transaction can have multiple inputs that are all under the control of the sending party. We just send everything back to one of the input addresses at random."
TheNewDeal: most useful bitcoin application of 2014...
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TheNewDeal: so you're proposing an extremely expensive twitter that would spit out a bunch of transactions on the blockchain?
TheNewDeal: why wouldn't you just send this over to the testnet?
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TheNewDeal: They say that burning bitcoin, or sending it to a bitcoin blackhole, is a great way to fund an altcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00075925 = 13.8943 BTC [+]
undata: why would that be a good idea?
undata: or burning coin at all
undata: ...shows your dedication?
TheNewDeal: it increases the worth of the other coins, doesnt it?
undata: in the same way that me jumping jiggles the moon
TheNewDeal: lets say someone actually comes up with a new alternative to bitcoin that actually makes some sort of improvement
undata: here's one thing I've considered spending into the blockchain
undata: I'd actually like some feedback on the WoT in blockchain idea
TheNewDeal: I think it's somewhat novel, but I'm not quite the resident expert
undata: nor am I clear on what the best method of encoding the data would be
undata: if it were addresses, goodbye coin
undata: but a small amount wouldn't hurt that bad
undata: latest rating by timestamp wins
decimation: undata: signing stuff in the blockchain was discussed a few weeks ago
decimation: I think the conclusion was that you would make a blob and then put the hash in the blockchain somehow
undata: then distribute the blob?
undata: there's some synthesis of these ideas that works
undata: I've thought a lot about spending magnet links into the blockchain too
undata: potential mechanism for doing storage for anything that's hard to cram into transactions
decimation: Yeah you would have to have some method of referencing the blob
PeterL: are you familiar with the deedbot?
decimation: yeah doesn't deedbot write to the blockchain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73649 @ 0.0007572 = 55.767 BTC [-] {3}
PeterL: yes, that is the point of it
undata: I'm thinking you could implement something like a database index which is the distributed content of a given magnet link
undata: which could reference other transactions which are other magnet links
undata: turn the thing into a hash db with references
undata: the original pondering was "how to turn the blockchain into a giant torrent site"
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
undata: decimation: that's what bugs me about a lot of these services
undata: they require some website
undata: the whole b64 at the bottom is?
TheNewDeal: it's basically a blockchain parser that just filters for deeds, no?
decimation: but obviously that's an expensive proposition
decimation: magnet links would solve the distribution problem but not the attribution problem
decimation: so either: mirror deedbot or embed your magnet links to deedbot's signed blob
undata: decimation: you'd need something that indicates "this is a deed" and also has a magnet link for the whole signed message
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8851 @ 0.00075627 = 6.6937 BTC [-]
decimation: I'm not sure. It would be useful if punkman released some docs on exactly how deedbot works
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 20:32:15; punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
decimation: so if I'm reading that correctly, the list of sha256 hashes of all the deeds would allow one to 'detect deeds'
undata: then you have a private key
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
decimation: well, the public key (address) can be derived from the private key
decimation: so in your blob you put the chronological list of hashes for all deeds - user will be able to confirm that this blob was indeed put into the blockchain by deedbot
decimation: at least, that's my understanding, would like to know if it's incorrect.
undata: right, what's spent to that address
undata: the payment for the asset in the deed?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00075915 = 16.1699 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> do you think that's true? << no, it's stupid.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, would you say that the best way to help your poor neighbour is to burn some soup ?
TheNewDeal: at least then the assholes wouldnt be able to use the bitcoins that funded ether
mircea_popescu: but you gotta decide which line you're going. inasmuch as it keeps the asshole from getting resources, yes it's better than giving him bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: but if you're trying to prevent the asshole from getting resources, why even consider the matter, just ignore it.
TheNewDeal: well it's like this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed to generate new pile of shitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076496 = 9.7915 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <PeterL> are you familiar with the deedbot? << exactly.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at least, that's my understanding, would like to know if it's incorrect. << there's other ways to verify too, but this one definitely works.
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> well it's like this, you know at least some finite amount of worth was destroyed to generate new pile of shitcoin << Spz Dr. Evil burned all of the coins on Bitstamp to "fund" an altchain. What would that do?
undata: uh, create two worthless things...
BingoBoingo: ;;google bitcoin prices bitcoin inflexibility
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo suppose dr. evil created something he called Bitcoin 2.0
TheNewDeal: the only way to fund it was to destroy bitcoin in the process
TheNewDeal: suddently, 20% of bitcoin disappears overnight to said address
TheNewDeal: It would mean that there were at least some people who decided it was worth getting rid of their bitcoin to check out bitcoin 2.0
BingoBoingo: Well, the remaining Bitcoins on version 1.0 increase in value and people wonder when Dr. Evil is going to dump those BTC he raised under the influence of ether
TheNewDeal: If it were 99% of the original bitcoin, what would it say about the remaining 1%?
BingoBoingo: Also why were people keeping those wallets on Windows 98?
TheNewDeal: perhaps, or it's not worth anything to anyone any more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00079243 = 12.3619 BTC [+]
undata: TheNewDeal: for some reason that reminded me of cash for clunkers
undata: where the US govt subsidized people buying new cars, as long as they gave their old cars in to be destroyed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15764 @ 0.00077107 = 12.1551 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> perhaps, or it's not worth anything to anyone any more << that's pure nonsense.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The header text on the libressl.org page is part of the jpg with the pufferfish. If the warrant canary triggers the header text becomes comic sans is my reading of it.
mircea_popescu: magic numbers are all equal. if 99.999999% of bitcoin were destroyed as you describe, the remainder coupla hundred btc will play the role of twenty million
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i fail to get how this is supposed to be a canary.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I would figure that to keep the server from displaying the comic sans image someone has to keep hitting the "We haven't been served yet" button.
mircea_popescu: but they'd be legally forbidden from stopping hitting that button.
BingoBoingo: Why, because they aren't Apple who has the press gloss over "The canary died because it became unecessary, not because a warrant came to kill it"
BingoBoingo: The canary isn't a guarantee they haven't been approached, but it's being triggered should seem to be a guarentee they have.
mircea_popescu: for something to be a canary it has to be a passive, unavoidable mechanism.
mircea_popescu: this comic font business is neither passive nor unavoidable
BingoBoingo: It's definitely far from a robust system, especially considering a MITM could force delivery of the pre-canary image
BingoBoingo: A better system would simply involve passing a BTC balance between two addresses under one's control at set intervals
mircea_popescu: no, the way these things work is the company has a firm negative statement published. "we have not been approached to so and so".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.0007715 = 22.0263 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the law can not compel one to lie, and so as long as that statement appears, it's not happened
BingoBoingo: Sign a message asserting that passing the balance between the two addresses fuctions as your warrant canary and GPG crypt the message to a few trusted parties that can release the signed doc if the behavior consituting the canary ceases
mircea_popescu: once it disappears, irrespective of what the usg propaganda machine claims, it's happened.
BingoBoingo: I guess. I'm just trying to think of a verifiable deed sort of version that could be concealed from the warrant industry until triggered
mircea_popescu: so the person in question can be charged with conspiracy "?
BingoBoingo: I suppose that is also a concern. Maybe the current practice for the warrant canary lacks room for improvement.
BingoBoingo: At least until the datacenters running bitcoin nodes become nuclear powers.
BingoBoingo: Copyrastas, the panties broke trademark law or were counterfeit or something
BingoBoingo: I was actually wondering what the market would be for silk thongs with the butt thread made of authentic Obama tis
BingoBoingo: Just needs to be worn backwards in torture device configuration
undata: wtf is DHS doing enforcing copyright
undata: they're going to find out later that the US had a lead pipes situation
undata: the country's going crazy
undata: for starters, we're all high as shit.
mircea_popescu: undata obama finished the reorganisation of everthing law enforcement as a homeland security sub.
undata: I notice "raids" are now a primary way of doing things
mircea_popescu: well, like sex is no longer fashionable so the girl will claim she was "raped", just so the visit by two state employees to confiscate some contraband is called a "raid"
undata: everything is entertainment
undata: I can't see the next 20 years going well for most people here.
undata: if I were conspiracy minded, I'd say they're preparing for that now with the militarization of police, etc
undata: but I don't think that
undata: our system just bloats like that, needs to create new bureaus and buy them fancy tanks and drones
undata: but to what end, then?
undata: it's the pointlessness of america, not the brutality, that gets me
undata: s/pointlessness/incoherence/
undata: it must just be what things look like when they're unraveling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.0007744 = 25.8262 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: <undata> but to what end, then? << you seen miller's crossing ?
bounce: <mircea_popescu> " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don?t do something very foolish" << in a sense this is an open invitation for some agency or institute or whatnot to step up. "bring it before us and we'll pass judgement", with suitable PR to suitably spin it up and answer the inevitable "you and what army?" questions.
chetty: very good reason not to use banks, imo
Naphex: thestringpuller: title should be enough :)
thestringpuller: How are these guys not operating on a loss if they started around the new year?
punkman: "Counterparty matures with foundation launch"
Naphex: punkman: i checked out coinspark a while ago
Naphex: well i was the protocol is something that i was looking for, with asset servers. the cryptography its pretty simple
Naphex: current implementation is clunky not in any way suitable for running anything in production
punkman: above article says some company wants to use it for gold trading
Naphex: well unless they want to dev the whole infrastructure
Naphex: punkman: well anyway, i had a calendar date to recheck it in 6 months
punkman: "important to emphasise that investor assets are never held by Bullion Bitcoin in its own right: investors either hold allocated gold in their own allocated gold account, or they hold an identifiable amount of allocated gold bullion held on their behalf, or they hold an identifiable Bitcoin holding verifiable on the Blockchain"
punkman: I read "coinscrum" as "coinscrotum" for a second there
Mikayla: What is the topic of today?
Naphex: i am working on a enterprise server solution for bitcoin
Mikayla: I don't really believe you
Naphex: why wouldn't you belive me lol?
Mikayla: would you be here active if you were?
Mikayla: It's never good to believe every thing you hear or see :)
Mikayla: Best I see it with my own eyes as opposed to a Youtube video
thestringpuller: Random: The walking dead gave me nightmares, and I didn't even watch it.
Mikayla: I've had a zombie nightmare
chetty: belief is a silly concept
thestringpuller: I always ran out of ammo. Not as bad as Silent Hill though, but that was more survival/puzzle oriented
Mikayla: oh I thought we meant the movie
Mikayla: some movies they have a little too much ammo
thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure Milla Jovavich poops bullets at this point.
chetty: <Mikayla> some movies they have a little too much ammo//some? a little too much? ,hah movies guns never run out of bullets
Mikayla: chetty some are better made
thestringpuller: if you have a narrow hallway and a group of combatants is coming down it, you can just unload blindly and you'll probably hit most of them
Mikayla: shit, I am shit out narrow hallways today
Mikayla: best I don't get into trouble :P
chetty: so, its another Monday in October, any predictions? (yes this goes with the shotguns ...)
punkman: I don't mind the infinite bullets, more that they can't hit anything that's not a mook
Mikayla: I believe another banker died via a nail gun
Mikayla: my conspiracy senses are tingling
chetty: banking is a very unhealthful profession is would seem
thestringpuller: In 2012 someone had written an October future that expired on Halloween. That was interesting.
Mikayla: well a nailgun sounds like a horrific way to die
Naphex: yeah so the thing is..
Naphex: a enterprise node, hook into trusted bitcoin core nodes over P2p protocol. Index and cache the data
Naphex: then delivery it over several types of interfaces
punkman: hey something interesting in Cracked, what a surprise
punkman: "David Byron kicked off all this madness about undetectable guns when he was issued a patent in 1987. Congress even tried to ban this as-of-yet unbuilt gun. That didn't stop Byron from hooking up with investors and starting a company focused on making this "plastic gun" a reality."
punkman: ;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
punkman: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
punkman: this Byron guy is still innovating, now he's making armor. "Our current generation armor has been successfully tested up to .50 APM2." yeah right
thestringpuller: I wonder if this huge push on sidechains is because the power rangers realize the blocksize ain't increasing anytime soon...
jurov: re:ebama tent - my fkn hearing aids broadcast everything to each other
jurov: prolly i can be never classified to work with usg sekrets
jurov: or they'd have to make me a golden toilet new ones
mats_cd03: i'm reading about how broken po-po radio crypto is
mats_cd03: dunno how i missed this in 2011, ive been following travis goodspeed for as long
TomServo: Cool paper, been meaning to do some reading on this.
TomServo: Can anyone recommend a good SDR to play with?
jurov: i just heard some TV gizmos are good for playing
TomServo: dignork: Those look great for cheap quick exposure.. but I might like to support this hackrf thing just due to cool factor.
jurov: punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key << ever heard of hash extension attack?
jurov: it allows to add data in the end and update hash .. but not sure it can ve exploited here somehow
jurov: bitcoin solves it by using double sha256, otherwise it's solved by using HMAC
punkman: jurov, no secrets here, what will you attack with length extension
jurov: that's the question.
jurov: also, is base58 actually RFC-defined?
jurov: i have some feeling it has its own dark corners
punkman: (note it doesn't have checksum/version bytes like usual base58check used in addresses)
dignork: And apparently it should work out of the box with pentoo
TomServo: dignork: Just saw those, cool stuff. Might have to get one so I can resist the urge stepping up to one of these USRP beasts.
jurov: punkman what if i secretly extend the bundle and make a payment to new addy
jurov: and then make a fuss about it?
jurov: it can be detected by fact that the payment did not go from deedbot's address but i still dislike this
jurov: you yourself gave some "just a voice" rating
jurov: and it can be easily solved by terminating the list of deed hashes prior to final hashing
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but i myself can also take it away, and have, and will, if the person's obnoxious.
PeterL: jurov so what if they add another deed, what would be the problem?
jurov: no real problem likely, just the obnoxiousness
PeterL: the timestamp is based on the blockchain transaction, if they put another deed transaction on the blockchain it does not hurt the first one?
jurov: just makes it easier to fool someone as what was actually included
jurov: everyone has their moments
jurov: cue my donation to b-a
PeterL: I don't see any benefit the attacker would have over just submitting a deed to deedbot?
jurov: only benefit is possiblity to (pruportedly) multiple versions of one bundle with perviously unknowns deeds to appear
punkman: jurov, what's this "secretly extend bundle" attack
jurov: nothing more and it can be resolved by checking of whether the tx originated from deedbot's piggy
punkman: as in, take bundle, add another deed and make new bundle?
jurov: and fool someone with it
punkman: yeah you gotta check it came from bot's address, verifier will do this
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01614 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 146 more bundles.
mike_c: seems simple solution to put a terminator on bundle.
punkman: I've also thought of signing the "lite" bundles
mike_c: yeah, a terminating sequence of bytes. then it can't be validly extended.
jurov: like hash1+','+hash2+...+hashN+'/n'
mike_c: because there would be a terminator in the middle.
punkman: why, I can't put my deedN+1 before terminator?
mike_c: no, hash attack is only adding a suffix
jurov: the fake bundle would be lent credibility by existing deed
jurov: and you can't make it by adding new deed in the middle even now
jurov: oh in fact it can be done
mike_c: *.b-a is down atm, is that where the bot description is hosted?
jurov: no there are only deeds
mike_c: punkman, did you write up a doc on the bot or release some code? could be useful to get eyes on it.
punkman: mike_c, will release code soon
jurov: nothing stops anyone from creating their own bundles completely, to prevent it would need deedbot to have own key
jurov: so my point rests. everyone gotta check it on blockchain
mircea_popescu: lol look at that, reddit asks for bitcoin foundation to remove satoshi from its rolls, the fucktards react by removing satoshi from the bitcoin code they're raping.
jurov: The Bitcoin Foundation is an ineffectual consortium of self-interest, operating under the guise of benevolent advocacy. They need an enema.
jurov: ben_vulpes: what about bitcoin-enema.org ?
PeterL: when the bitcoin foundation was announced I figured I would just ignore it, I have not found a reason to change yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, we can't. to remove them they'd have to at first somehow been included.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, satoshi was smart here. an anon holding copyright means that nobody else can claim it, and it can never be enforced.
mircea_popescu: of course, us shitshow would reject this, but it's a perfectly valid approach.
mircea_popescu: mentally compare the difference between an estate owned by nobody and commons
mircea_popescu: just, a medieval institution, arguably inadequate for modern times.
mike_c: dumbfruit's argument hurts my brain. he is saying that transactions are too cheap and therefore the block size limit should be removed?
mike_c: the new tragedy of the commons is that the commons have a voice.
mircea_popescu: well, to be generous, it's not the voice that's the problem. it's the god awful pretense that one can understand things by guessing what words might mean "in context"
mircea_popescu: the result is a very cruel mistreatment of human soft tissue.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> I've also thought of signing the "lite" bundles << seems redundant. sign once, which you do, with the tx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anon is permitted to hold copyright by bern convention, actually.
mircea_popescu: actually you'll hear hell from people trying to pretend that this is the right way, and pgp is XYZ FUDstuffs even today.
mircea_popescu: wait mikayla believes mila jovovich is NOT a carbon copy and unique ?!
mircea_popescu: chicks the fucking definition of "here, i found this model passed out in the bathroom"
mircea_popescu: Naphex: a enterprise node, hook into trusted bitcoin core nodes over P2p protocol. Index and cache the data << this is not a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there’s about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the “ordinary person”
mircea_popescu: "On the balance of probabilities this would seem the most likely outcome, strictly because history unerringly flows in that direction which most cruely rapes the “average person”."
Adlai: it'll be funny to see markets between the same "bitcoin" asset on different blockchains... reminds me a bit of goxBTC
Naphex: mircea_popescu: aye and much needed, with all those people wanting to implement all kinds of solutions based on blockchain data
mircea_popescu: jurov: prolly i can be never classified to work with usg sekrets <<< you saw i lolled at the "medical devices" part yes ? :D
mircea_popescu: Naphex problem being they also want to do it for free, but mayhap there's a solution for that.
mircea_popescu: jurov anyway, you should prolly apply, then you can sue for unfair treatment
jurov: or they put mandatory crypto for medical devices into law
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform custom pacemakers have been the norm for not-poor people for what, 20 years ?
mircea_popescu: good games are always abstraction of real life mechanisms.
kakobrekla: game of cuckoo < i once sent a guy to hospital cause of that game :\
ben_vulpes: <jurov> ben_vulpes: what about bitcoin-enema.org ? f9beb4d9.org
kakobrekla: its a long story, we were kids, i got carried away, is all.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the mailing list up?
ben_vulpes: and i didn't see any good suggestions re "what is the output of a 'merge'?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes either you or mod6 gotta start managing people!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i have one of those on me local machine
mircea_popescu: actually, bluematt did maybe 2/3 of bitcoin testing to date.
mircea_popescu: the guy that made the recent tx relay streamline thing
mircea_popescu: alive, yes. standing... hard to say. shy of politics ?
ben_vulpes: so i've cobbled together a testing stack that builds and boots this build as I mentioned last night. next things that i'd like to do with it is attach it to testnet; and stand up a server non-locally to run these builds.
ben_vulpes: but fiatcorp calls at precisely this moment, and i must leave ye all for the meantime.
mircea_popescu: however, he doesn't hold a large balance, maybe that's the first thing bitcoin foundation can spend on
TomServo: asciilifeform: Is there an SDR you'd recommend?
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i use the ANT500 mossmann sells with the hackrf
TomServo: sold out everywhere? < Was my impression also. Though some sites say they'll be restocked early 2015
TomServo: 2014-09-09 Note: We have sold out and are waiting on the next production run batch which will be delivered in a few months. We are sorry for the wait, but if you pre-order now we will send you a $20 gift certificate.
TomServo: asciilifeform: Didja check out the (pricier) options from ettus.com also?
mats_cd03: 13:34:45 — +asciilifeform wonders whether vendor is 'having problems' - considering that sdr is technically banned in usa << hows that? ham operators have had SDR for at least a decade, no mutterings as to illegality afaik
diametric: asciilifeform: i know a guy that uses kicad religiously
diametric: he makes laser controller boards with it.
TomServo: asciilifeform: $5k - might as well be $5mil << For a toy, I agree...though they have some 'board only' options that come in the 675-1100 range.
nubbins`: anyone got logs for past couple days
nubbins`: this continued ddosing sure is making it ever-so-slightly-more-difficult to catch up on happenings
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.co (102 milliseconds), mpex.biz (103 milliseconds), mpex.bz (114 milliseconds), mpex.ws (277 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (719 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
kakobrekla would suggest abbreviating 'milliseconds'
artifexd: kakobrekla: Where is that from?
cazalla: punkman: I read "coinscrum" as "coinscrotum" for a second there <<< you're not the only one
TomServo: BingoBoingo: Nice work, was hoping you guys would cover that.
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Yeah I was away from the desk this weekend, and it took a bit to dig the relevant parts and boil them to qntra style.
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> 2014-09-09 Note: We have sold out and are waiting on the next production run batch which will be delivered in a few months. We are sorry for the wait, but if you pre-order now we will send you a $20 gift certificate. <<< this is so braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "we are sold out. if you want to preorder it's going to be $100 extra. if you do not want to preorder, you can have it when we get it, at a $250 surcharge"
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I suppose that would work if there weren't a handful of other sites "selling" it also.
mircea_popescu: well, it would work in the following way : those other sites get sold out, you still have a stock.
TomServo: Never did see one in stock though.
mircea_popescu: then you use the extra to make an exclusive deal with the supplier and that's that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: some derp host obv << "banned software" ? wtf is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: this is roughly like someone purporting to have an appartment for rent, comes with a "list of forbidden activities" : no opposite sex visitors, no masturbating, no drinking, no playing videogames
danielpbarron: cazalla, the bitcoin trader video was taken down; is it mirrored anywhere?
Naphex: "LedgerX Gets Google, Lightspeed Backing to Set Up Regulated Bitcoin Futures Exchange"
Naphex: they're apperantly htting the presses with it
Naphex: "LedgerX Hopes to Establish First U.S.-Regulated Futures Exchange for Bitcoin"
bounce: ``Supporters of the company [...], believe that a U.S.-regulated, U.S.-based futures exchange for bitcoin would settle down some of the volatility of bitcoin prices'' -- because US awesomeness and USG rules fix everything
mircea_popescu: doubt there's that much interest for usd futures, but hey.
mircea_popescu: i imagine the idea is that perhaps bitcoin futures may be made to work like gold futures. which won't work, but hey, if google got too much dough we can always take some.
Naphex: it will probably take lots
Naphex: as people get closer to their realization points
BingoBoingo: <gribble> Rating change | Old rating -10 | New rating: jason > -10 > ninjashogun | Begs for ratings, expects to gain -OTC ratings through 'relationships' rather than trades but not will even reveal his name, goes crazy with name-calling and baseless scam allegations. Judge for yourself:
http://pastebin.com/kLUHRrda diametric: couldn't find anything easily in the log, whats up with bitbet? ddos?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall, was that supposed to work or not work ?
gribble: blogs.bitcoin-assets.com is down
ben_vulpes: wasn't PeterL going to set up a new blogs.ba
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl what's the status on the rss thing ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you gotta understand, this is not economic activity, this is political activity.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 01:11:55; PeterL: mircea_popescu: scoopbot is a replacement for penguiker
mike_c: los_pantalones: (if not prying) what firm are you with that you were doing diligence on them?
mircea_popescu: til wget has no fucking way to specify maximum ram usage
BingoBoingo: <ninjashogun> this is a scammer - you can read my convo with him here:
BingoBoingo: <ninjashogun> please pastebin into channel too
Azelphur: haha, that dude is a bit of a tool
Azelphur: he has been ranting in #bitcoin-bans for ages now
mike_c: yeah, he's been here plenty.
Azelphur: basically, everybody in this conversation is a tool
Azelphur: by this conversation, I mean the pastebin :P
ben_vulpes: quickly generate more logs for thickasthieves
kakobrekla: make the lines very long so he will never be able to catch up
cazalla: ben_vulpes, conformal are yet to get back to me
mike_c: it's in the lawgs. hetzner.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: what did you actually ask them? i eventually realized that the 32mb line is the nominal largest size of a p2p message.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 04:06:13; ben_vulpes: cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion?
mats_cd03: even afghan peasants are smarter than USG, apparently
mats_cd03: everybody in the region except the US knows they'll have to negotiate with the taliban five years from now
jurov: sooo... got two mailman installations with gpg patch, one rejects everything as "bad signature" the other accepts even usigned stuff despite configured not to
kakobrekla: maybe time to test retardation levels at vultr
punkman: I wouldn't expect vultr to be better but who knows
kakobrekla: well, its not hard to beat "hi you have incoming ddos, I understand this can be frustrating as this type of attack is usually a sign that your droplet has been compromised"
kakobrekla: they are basically saying "hello idiot, put shoe on head, banana in anus to fix ddos"
kakobrekla: im totaly fine if they take the machine down for the needed period
mike_c: impressive. who is "we"?
los_pantalones: company i work for, i would tell you if i were in on my company pgp but i'm using my personal here
los_pantalones: yeah, odd arrangement but you can trade on bitstamp via coinsetter
los_pantalones: anyway, we make investments here and there but mostly trade
los_pantalones: and luckily i get to take calls from VC looking at companies
mike_c: how's the bear market treating you?
los_pantalones: i try to push everyone into here, most haven't taken me up on it
pete_dushenski: cazalla first drugs, now disease, next clubbing baby seals.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla irc is dangerous because it uses passwords, y'know
los_pantalones: pete_dushenski it's not like i'm suggesting hundreds of people come in here, just the guys who end up on .derp
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz Looking forward to seeing you rationalize this gem of a comment in the public forum: "No, more nodes arent more secure. A full node is valuable to the one running it, not anyone else"
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla i musta missed how people go from mpex to using los_pantalones for btc liquidity?
kakobrekla: i think theres a misunderstanding going on here.
kakobrekla: sending people to ba is not relevant to btc liquidity
pete_dushenski: i understood los_pantalones as saying that people who "ended up on .derp" were traders, not the actual fucking derps!
pete_dushenski: heh twitter lost another $175mn this quarter. such business those guys
pete_dushenski: this represents a 200% greater loss than last year while revenue doubled.
cazalla: ben_vulpes: didja comment on their blorg? <<< i'll give em time to respond via email first
PeterL: mircea_popescu: rss thing ... I am working on it, it is almost ready, I think, just need to work out a few bugs and clean up my code some