assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00043498 = 15.0938 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: or it will thrash to oblivion... better with no swap - OOM killer comes quickly
Adlai: the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00042509 = 6.4401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25009 @ 0.00043857 = 10.9682 BTC [+]
Adlai: incidentally, she did to, as will the doge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6862 @ 0.00043903 = 3.0126 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?
mike_c: nanotube: here's the weirdness:
mike_c: note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
mike_c: and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
nanotube: mike_c: yep, got it. thanks :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00042483 = 16.356 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18771 @ 0.00043328 = 8.1331 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: re: cavirtex hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
cazalla: i actually saw this the other day
https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh
assbot: BTC and LTC deposits & withdrawals are temporarily disabled while we investigate suspicious activity. All client funds are safe and secure.
ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11017 @ 0.00043778 = 4.823 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: google still picks up dpaste, would be better to use email or at least something google cannot scrape before it gets on qntra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44783 @ 0.00043963 = 19.688 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions
BingoBoingo: 512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync
cazalla: perhaps it is coincidence but since 0.10 core came out, my active connections are up to 60-80 and upload has almost doubled
cazalla: i am not running 0.10 mind you
danielpbarron: i haven't seen any blocks mined with this new version in a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00042454 = 11.5475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19858 @ 0.00042454 = 8.4305 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36814 @ 0.00041964 = 15.4486 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00044019 = 21.2172 BTC [+]
cazalla: not yet and provided he keeps his distance, i won't do him in
BingoBoingo: Gotta assume he is more poinsonous than normal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56817 @ 0.00044046 = 25.0256 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Note it is native to Australia. Explicitly mentioning it being poisonous would be redundant
cazalla: BingoBoingo, he's not poisonous, at least not to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00044273 = 21.2732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00041939 = 13.4624 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00044273 = 10.8469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00044458 = 16.6718 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: "with additional fines possible prison time" s/fines possible/fines and possible/c
mike_c: cazalla: is pete's article out of date? cavirtex is closing, no temporary about it
mike_c: oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?
mike_c: the body says it is closing for good
cazalla: just needs a comma, i'll fix
mike_c: ohhh, i get it. time for bed i think.
mike_c: yeah, comma helps. thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11231 @ 0.00044458 = 4.9931 BTC [+]
cazalla: thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher
gribble: Current Blocks: 343987 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 748 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45992117595.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.45673
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00043767 = 2.6698 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: 7b0e48befe8051bdeb8a31272abb1b9067928e4a237110105897334a08b02fd197b47a52a3eb4bb508a2983b75e0457f059c85aff0f8aea9a161cb83fee14e31 << FOr plaintext saved as name "test.txt"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working on that with cazalla
decimation: asciilifeform: I was thinking about a 'home chip fab'
decimation: obviously modern lithography ain't gonna work
decimation: not to mention the provision of masks, etc
decimation: the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?
decimation: what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic
decimation: I guess my point is that it seems to be science fiction to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198233 @ 0.00044605 = 88.4218 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24267 @ 0.00044887 = 10.8927 BTC [+]
decimation: I don't see how one could 'shrink' a fab into anything smaller than it is (as it currently exists)
decimation: the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale
decimation: then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper
decimation: they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor
decimation: high power euv light source isn't cheap
decimation: there have been incremental improvements
decimation: but not the orders of magnitude needed
decimation: no, that would require a 'cheapening factor' of around 10000
decimation: asciilifeform: that was a neat link about ada
decimation: I wasn't aware that it was still going strong in non-defense areas
decimation: the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial
decimation: I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.0004491 = 21.5119 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,996.
decimation: asciilifeform: you can probably get access to mil-std's
decimation: "23-Jan-2015 MILITARY STANDARD Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."
decimation: wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?
decimation: another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system
decimation: asciilifeform: I once visited an faa 'en-route' center when I was a youth
decimation: back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities
decimation: yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL
decimation: apparently the 'new' system is a complete rewrite in ada
decimation: well, it would have been a paying gig for 40 years now
decimation: indeed, the problem with the machines isn't that they are broken
decimation: it's that no one knows how they work exactly
decimation: 'no one' in the sense of anyone employed directly be usg
decimation: "Let’s talk about encryption. What’s wrong with what Google and Apple are doing? You have encrypted email — shouldn’t everybody have encrypted email, or have their protections? Everybody should. And I’m a strong believer in strong encryption."
decimation: "I’m as strong as I have been. I think the only concern is our law enforcement is expected to stop every plot. Every attack. Any bomb on a plane. The first time that attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn’t follow up on it, the public’s going to demand answers." < 'leadership' at its finest
decimation: "So there’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption. The narrow question is going to be if there is a proper request for … this isn’t bulk collection, this isn’t sort of fishing expeditions by government."
decimation: we want strong encryption that can be compromised
decimation: "And you’re still with the BlackBerry, right?
decimation: I use a BlackBerry mainly because I’m so restricted in what I can do that it’s basically just messages, and it’s still easier for me to tap off the [BlackBerry]. But basically most of my non-work-related stuff, I’m working off the iPad."
decimation: What non-work-related stuff does Obama 'do'?
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the latest C++ standard includes a lame implementation of 'lambda'?
decimation: I was reading a newer C++ text today and laughed when I saw it
decimation: maybe the next version will include an ascii-art image of dr. mccarthy
mod6: already have 11k and counting
mod6: ah, no that's not stripped.
mod6: the last 3 commands of that build script never seem to run for some reason
mod6: im already at 100k blocks.
decimation: asciilifeform: I like how the internal schematic is etched on the device
decimation: well, maybe that's why there are two 'squibs' to release the electrolyte?
decimation: well, there are two in the unit "A" and "B"
decimation: maybe that was considered enough redundancy? who knows.
decimation: I'm surprised they didn't use the heat coming off the nuclear core for some purpose
decimation: heh yeah probably not for the logic of that day
decimation: could be enough to run a small modern micro
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory. << for the record, this is a hobble.
ben_vulpes: customary densities are a product of red queen dynamics.
ben_vulpes: if the goal is "compute by the yard", make more yards, not smaller compute.
decimation: ah "Batteries: There was a battery at the top in the G&C section and also used to power stage III, a battery in the middle stage II and at the bottom for stage I. There was an umbilical cable at top and bottom, from G&C and stage I, to provide silo “battery” power for checkout."
decimation: apparently the gyros operated continuously while in the silo to reduce launch time
decimation: and then replaced after some operating time presumably
mod6: wow, this thing is really flying
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re 4004: i'm imagining devices at least 10x that scale.
mod6: v0.5.3 base + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl 1.0.1g with a modified portotronic build script - all statically linked libs
mod6: we'll see if it passes 160001
decimation: asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see how your 'macrofab' order works out
decimation: did they charge reasonable prices for the non-'house' parts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5412 @ 0.00044852 = 2.4274 BTC [-]
mod6: <+mod6> we'll see if it passes 160001 << derp. 168,001
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: minuteman << did you ever read into the 'amateur' rocketry group with whom i dorked around for a while in undergrad?
ben_vulpes: 'twas a fine introduction to what could be done in a garage without the military overhead.
ben_vulpes: we made our own spinning fin cans at one point! garage bearing races of... 0.2m diameter!
ben_vulpes: there are a few different hardnesses one can achieve.
ben_vulpes: the hack was finding the sweet spot in race/bearing hardnesses.
ben_vulpes: yes well that does make life easier haw
ben_vulpes: hey at least you're not trying to cut steel with diamond bits.
ben_vulpes: someone took pity on me in the warehouse as i worked my way through quarter inch plate with a hand cutter and provided me with an acetylene torch.
ben_vulpes: but hey at least i made my waste oil furnace
ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant up the way that had a drum of cooking oil
decimation: asciilifeform: were they individually packaged?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i dreamt once of coercing bugs into placing such devices.
ben_vulpes: i was taking classes in chaos theory, control theory and installing machines for a biologist at the time.
ben_vulpes looks back at his work history in wonder
mod6 thanks asciilifeform for building the portotronic & build script
mod6: well gentlemen, that's all for me tonight. ima let it run, see how it does overnight. will report more tomorrow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00043767 = 5.7772 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00044852 = 4.0591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00044852 = 4.4623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00043767 = 6.5651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22349 @ 0.00043767 = 9.7815 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00043767 = 5.1426 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00043767 = 4.0484 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i might be able to rid this stack of solr with judicious application of postgres full text search
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00043767 = 1.7542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00044852 = 1.4353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00043767 = 4.3329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3347 @ 0.00043609 = 1.4596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7749 @ 0.00044852 = 3.4756 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6353 @ 0.00043609 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00042928 = 3.7991 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6466 @ 0.00044697 = 2.8901 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: strange, i never had to send them a selfie
cazalla: i'm not sure i even sent ID from memory
punkman: they event stopped sending me SMS codes for every login/deposit
cazalla: i guess arrington is trying to use it for something more than cash in, bitcoin out, lol @ his $100 limit too
BingoBoingo: Maybe they had a "Pls don't let Mike ID be stolen here" flag set
punkman: cazalla, do they still have you at $500 limit?
punkman: in other news, I got those "English Accent Knives", plenty sharp and they did in fact survive accidental drops.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00042917 = 14.2055 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: btw you can find decent tailors for the girlies at lightinthebox.com, even pauper can afford
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00043575 = 4.1056 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4965 @ 0.00042904 = 2.1302 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: this obsession with buying btc online through a webapp is pretty humerus.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Think of it as a rescue mission. Save the precious BTC by trying to get them to safe private keys out of the web3.0 grasp.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Wow, filtered to remove the important
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta filter that way for the text to be safe for ego.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5270 @ 0.00043074 = 2.27 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 344030 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 705 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45833353704.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.09959
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20630 @ 0.00042904 = 8.8511 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00043298 = 3.8752 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042929 = 9.3156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4236 @ 0.00083996 = 3.5581 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4534 @ 0.00084972 = 3.8526 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00042904 = 8.2011 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12838 @ 0.00043707 = 5.6111 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: from the author of learn2prog.de
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i did not see his key in the wot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 91 @ 0.0902167 = 8.2097 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6937 @ 0.00078816 = 5.4675 BTC [-] {17}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Apparently he has a keybase.io according to the gitrub
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00044069 = 5.6849 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' Do you call the version control system you use to manage your silk screen projects nubrub?
jurov: brendafdez: guess who has #bitcoin-anal :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00043214 = 6.9358 BTC [-]
nubbins`: also, who in the world uses a version control system for this sort of thing 8)
nubbins`: most of you will be literally horrified to learn that all my art assets are stored in Dropbox.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: By version control I mean how you handle the screens for various stage
nubbins`: sorta like how nobody actually lols when they say lol.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo this is about as deserving of a system as the stack of plates in your kitchen cupboard :)
brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue, or was it fixed in more recent versions? I'm running 4.1 and my xmlrpc.php (
http://pastebin.com/6s78Hh5c) doesn't even have a reference to $linea. I don't speal PHP at all, so I'm not sure if I should still paste the replecement code somewhere.
nubbins`: we do have a set of screen-drying cupboards i could christen "nubrub", i guess
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Is that not a system? One doesn't have to be Alekine to have a system
ben_vulpes: don't listen to me, i failed to sleep last night.
nubbins`: what name do you put on your system for tying shoes?
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It is still a think. Wordpress people keep moving where the target is
ben_vulpes: nubbins: first, instead of a simple once around, go around...twice
nubbins`: you should call it "shoeshoe train"
ben_vulpes: the full 360 prevents slippage while doing the loop
ben_vulpes: when doing the loop, again go around not once...BUT TWICE
nubbins`: fwiw the second go-around is key for handling slippery laces
nubbins`: really tempted to buy another settlers of catan expansion
mike_c: the same thing i do every day.. trying to take over the world.
ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
☟︎ mike_c: cmon, that never gets old
nubbins`: phun phact, one of our cats is named after that show.
danielpbarron: is there a way to check the fingerprint of an assbot user?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you could visit people at their ICBM address and ask politely
mike_c: hn, not that i know of.
danielpbarron: i'm trying to prove my fingerprint is assciated with my username
danielpbarron: why can't it at least mention a username in that dump?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, I though you were talking about ICBM addressing protocol
nubbins`: danielpbarron just !rate a fake nick
nubbins`: or, i mean, gpg-sign something
mike_c: gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.
mike_c: do something with !rate works though
danielpbarron: i want to sign a thing that someone can cross reference with my ratings
assbot: itsme is not registered in WoT.
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.0002225 / 0.00026 (28055 shares, 6.24 BTC)
nubbins`: yeah that's a fairly large gap in functionality
danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
☟︎ nubbins`: gotta sell the shinies to someone 8)
nubbins`: o wow, an i-hate-nubs thread that i didn't unsubscribe from
nubbins`: it bothers me that he insists on capitalizing my name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1305 @ 0.00084998 = 1.1092 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: how are you proposing to tie github to asswot?
nubbins`: danielpbarron i was almost forced to make fun of him in his vaccines thread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4531 @ 0.00043214 = 1.958 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: [fromkey] => 7C1FBEC924FBD66531A02AE3F95E4E395927DC9C
kakobrekla: [tokey] => 155934BDD16E8EAF4493CB9CB36AE9849D961AC9
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, they gave me a form to submit my request, and i told them to give me OTP to clearsign, and gave them links to that ^
nubbins`: kakobrekla i think he's concerned about the fact that the "danielpbarron" behind that link isn't necessarily the one in-chan?
danielpbarron: no; i just want something that says "assbot user named 'danielpbarron' uses gpg key ...
kakobrekla: gribble's auth is as good as assbots voice
ben_vulpes: isn't that a site you just sign up for?
gribble: Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.
danielpbarron: yeah i've had an account for a while, but just noticed it's been flagged as "not human"
ben_vulpes: in other news, people committing LF only files into client repos today...
danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: your dedication to stirring up shit is endlessly entertaining.
nubbins`: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat."
nubbins`: why are they using a gender-neutral pronoun for the fucking DOG?
nubbins`: "The pronoun “one” would not do here: “One was walking one’s dog down the street and then gave one a treat”"
nubbins`: yeah, because you'd say "gave one a treat", not "gave it a treat"
BingoBoingo: Wait, that's a gender neutral thing? I thought it was a Prussian thing.
danielpbarron: or if you're feeling generous: give one two treats
nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost."
nubbins`: perhaps obummer will start doing precisely this
nubbins`: nevermind that "zher" sounds like fucking diarrhoea
nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
☟︎ nubbins`: funny, i automatically thought that i must have the books of all others.
BingoBoingo: "And if some high official, such as the president, says it will use gender-neutral pronouns for its own writing, and ask that those writing to it do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << Ther fixed with objectification
nubbins`: "everyone must have zher books" is categorically NOT less awkward than any other english sentence that does not contain the "word" "zher"
ben_vulpes: nubbins` you really like getting bent out of shape over derps don't you
BingoBoingo: Seriously when people insist on gender neutral pronouns your choices are it in the singular and they in the plural. Or... nouns still exists.
nubbins`: i prefer to use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun
ben_vulpes: nah your choices are to ignore them or beat them
danielpbarron: i will default to 'him' and 'his' for exactly the reason they wish i wouldn't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00043179 = 10.2334 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: The zh words would help refer to God: for Zhe is just, and Zher love for humanity endless, and we worship Zhim
ben_vulpes: google in the red, and aws barely ekeing out 6.9
BingoBoingo: Nah, see the canonical example "It puts the lotion in the basket." "It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"
nubbins`: jurov does god have a peepee or a slit?
danielpbarron: heh, everyone is an object when you take away sexism
kakobrekla: for some reason i thought you wanted strictly level 2 list - it actually takes a couple of min to generate. full dump would take a second.
nubbins`: PUT THE LOTION IN THE FUCKING BASKET
nubbins`: i got debian shoved on my pogoplug
jurov: kakobrekla if it can include l1/l2 ratings, why not have everyone?
nubbins`: currently serving files from a 1.5tb drive
nubbins`: gonna try to pop .foundation 531 on it soon
kakobrekla: jurov everyones l1/l2? from assbot to target ? that would take prolly 10 times longer or so.
nubbins`: i think it means alf doesn't like it
jurov: kakobrekla okay then, it can be queried extra
danielpbarron: i don't know much about systemd except that it's hated in here, and in "top" *everything* is a subprocess of it..
nubbins`: as an aside, the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA
ben_vulpes: what's up with your keys, thestringpuller?
kakobrekla: i can just attach everyone who is missing from that list with l0/l1
nubbins`: i think the purple logo is the one where the top comes off to reveal SATA/USD
nubbins`: also i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD?
danielpbarron: well i think you'll have a very hard time syncing considering harddisk read write is the bottleneck
jurov: kakobrekla: that's a bit misleading, rather put "-" instead of the zeros
danielpbarron: but the blue unit might be a good device for a pre-synched chain copied in
jurov: you want for users with negative rating to show 0?
jurov: that is a bit misleading imo
nubbins`: danielpbarron now there's a torrent i'd seed
kakobrekla: no, but i can show negative rating as negative rating
nubbins`: is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing?
nubbins`: i've got 30mbit up, could spare some
jurov: kakobrekla: yes you can. but if you don't bother to run the query, make the NULLs recognizable
kakobrekla: i actually compute the neg rates atm, just dont show em
mod6: still going: 208582
kakobrekla: you cant know its a neg if you dont compute it
danielpbarron: eh i'm not suggesting we all share the same torrented blockchain; i mean you could sync it on your own machine and copy it over
nubbins`: *i'm* suggesting we seed a blockchain torrent 8)
jurov: !up thestringpuller
danielpbarron: btw, no blocks mined using version > 2 in the last 12 hours or so
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure to shuttle them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....
kakobrekla: but version number just tells you the version number
danielpbarron: well if they aren't reporting a greater version then they might as well not be using it (the version is used to decide with the fork, hard or soft, happens)
nubbins`: in fairness, the same dollar amount is worth less each time you buy one 8)
nubbins`: there was a thread on reddit the other day
nubbins`: "holy shit bitcoin core runs on raspi B+!"
nubbins`: this pogo thing is gonna make tsunamis
nubbins`: kinda tempted to buy like a hundred
kakobrekla: actually that is quite an achievement for the pos bcore and rpi are
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe that's the exuberance
danielpbarron: nubbins`, you set off a mythology about the pogo; some guy on the forum keeps telling everyone about the "ten thousand nodes" that MP is gonna use to stop the fork
nubbins`: how many nodes right now, anyway?
danielpbarron: reminds me of classic chinese in which "ten thousand" was used to mean "infinity"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kinda speaks to the need for a disposable btc addr you can use to get yourself !up
nubbins`: danielpbarron here, in times past, "thousands" was used as an immeasurable
nubbins`: "wow, there must be millions of cod in those waters"
nubbins`: "millions? b'y, there's THOUSANDS of em out there"
danielpbarron: according the the forum's wisdom, we should have used a unit that can be upgraded to support 20MB blocks
nubbins`: you should plan for sucking Hitler's knob in the event that the Nazis win WW2.
danielpbarron: actually that's not the guy; hdbuck might be an ally
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno that they are awake yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00084999 = 1.445 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: "What is sad is that they are supposedly scrambling to setup 10k nodes to prevent this hardfork when all they will succeed if they aren't bluffing is an alt with 10k nodes and less than 1-2% hashing power. Hopefully they have some developers on hand to quickly change the difficulty retarget limit so they have a usable , albeit very insecure alt."
danielpbarron: "Thanks. This is very enlightening and reveals the true motivations behind Mircea Popescu objections. He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork. Why doesn't he honestly bring to the community these concerns as one of his principle motivations so we can try and find a solution together? The fact that he is not being forthright with this concern is troubling to sa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14064 @ 0.00042775 = 6.0159 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: i fucking hate this pseudo-intellectual style of writing
nubbins`: all this "perhaps if we are just open about our abject failures as humans" stuff
nubbins`: maybe if you just come to the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine
nubbins`: being forthright in this manner would help his cause significantly
nubbins`: "The thing is, I don't think there will ever be mass adoption of the system as it exist today. The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not the blockchain directly. So the blockchain will have transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts. The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains that can solve a lot of the volume issues."
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.8, Best ask: 238.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 237.8, 24 hour volume: 13352.09109047, 24 hour low: 237.11, 24 hour high: 248.78, 24 hour vwap: 242.83957709
thestringpuller: nubbins`: MP is more trusted than all random forum muppets and Gavin combined. Like parent to child, "I don't have to explain myself to you."
danielpbarron: ok what is the point of "zher" and "zhim" ?? aren't these still gender specific??
nubbins`: thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative term, yo!
nubbins`: oprah is more trusted than almost anyone else alive, doesn't mean i'm gonna take her advice 8)
danielpbarron: adding a 'z' to a word doesn't magically transform it into a gender neutral term any more than adding a cape to a retard magically enables him, excuse me, zhim to fly
PeterL: maybe you pick whichever you like better, zhim or zher, and use it for both genders?
jurov: i understod it as "replace her, him and it both by `zer`"
PeterL: I seem to remember in middle English they used something like "hir" for both genders?
PeterL: but it's been a while since I read Chaucer, so I might be wrong
PeterL: myself, I sometimes use the pronoun "e" in place of he/she
danielpbarron: in an attempt to grok this, i read the sentence so many times even the word 'her' doesn't look right
danielpbarron: "Zhe was walking zher dog down the street and then gave zhim a treat." << couldn't it be "Zhe was walking zher dog .. and gave zher a treat" ?
PeterL: zhim is object pronoun
PeterL: "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat"
PeterL: her can be equivalent to him or his, because English is not a very systematic language
danielpbarron: that's why dog owners always bring plastic baggies; for treat collection
PeterL: I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/???
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
jurov: what to do when said guy wants to keep said spider as pet?
jurov: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
mircea_popescu: holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: probably needs entirely new chemistry. << graphite base ?
mircea_popescu: no one says you need a dielectric with conductive masks, you could use a conductor with dielectric masks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
jurov: how long it takes a z80 to make or verify ECDSA signature?
jurov: let's say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps
jurov: ;;calc 500000/(8000000/10)
jurov: and i suspect i'm very optimistic about 500k steps = 500k 16bit instructions
jurov: lol it's 8bit actually xD
mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"
mircea_popescu: this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.
jurov: so they'll use only because they can cook it at home?
kakobrekla: x arbitrary time < not when x approaches infinite
jurov: when there's a restaurant 1000x faster?
kakobrekla: you actually dont have to go that far. for me 100years + is pretty much as good as infinite, as i dont expect to see it
jurov: what specifically "there isn't"?
jurov: there is. teletype and such
mircea_popescu: but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.
jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu
mircea_popescu: i merely wish to point out that i had better games on the z80 than on the ipad.
jurov: but you certainly didn't have better crypto
nubbins`: ;;google "death comes quick for these types"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00043382 = 4.2731 BTC [+]
nubbins`: was actually wondering if a specific thing'd come up
jurov: as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes.
jurov: or you seriously propose homebrew ICs just to be able to play 8bit stuff again?
mircea_popescu: not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.
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mircea_popescu: a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.
mircea_popescu: the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved
mircea_popescu: (note i am discussing strictly soviet satellites here, obviously each place has its own golden age)
jurov: lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto
jurov: no maffs nmecessary
mircea_popescu: i happen to know the guys and what they did, exhaustively and personally.
jurov: well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin
jurov: like, statistical error
mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
☟︎☟︎ kakobrekla: Adlai stupid thread. just wait till you cant distinguish silicon from flesh.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when has it ever been easy to spot a mole?
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.
thestringpuller: Or at least a good one. Spies have gotten better methinks.
mircea_popescu: his rise in fact exactly mirrors this particular economic change, where shitgnomes finally became able to breach into computing.
Adlai: kakobrekla: s/silicon|flesh/lab-grown|organic/
mircea_popescu: spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.
Adlai: "sorry, i prefer to only have organic sex"
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.
Adlai: note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for
mircea_popescu: what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"
thestringpuller: Well you had ninjas and shit a millenium ago. Now you have "poor replication" or ninja.
mircea_popescu: and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.
nubbins`: blaming the public is kinda pointless too
nubbins`: might as well blame the wind. what's to gain?
mircea_popescu: i mean, joint and several, every single individual, individually.
mircea_popescu: ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: o, you don't have 50 trn ? fuck you, we're making soap. next.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.
mod6: ;;calc 21000000/50000000000000
mircea_popescu: or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.
mod6: "Stop that! Get me a latte!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: evolutionary race thing
mircea_popescu: ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ?
mircea_popescu: brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00043382 = 2.1257 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
ben_vulpes: i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:31:41; danielpbarron: stupid github thinks i'm not human; i figured gpg to asswot should be enough proof
ben_vulpes: gpg rules everything around me, for one
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly.
mircea_popescu: because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wouldja be happier if there was a rng added to the vote counts ? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00042284 = 6.258 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
Adlai: obligatory mention of Black Mirror, in case nobody has seen it yet
kakobrekla: anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go..
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whoever next complains gets saddled with doing it for a month ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ?
Adlai: english is dead, we're speaking freenode
Adlai: guy walking down a hedge, hears chanting behind a gap - "twenty one! twenty one! twenty one!"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise.
mircea_popescu: it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply.
mircea_popescu: btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board.
mircea_popescu: cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that zenglish looks kinda like hungarian, and if he wanted zs for j and sz for sh he should just learn that instead of inventing "a new one".
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, send me some pile of pogoplugs pics when you have a moment.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:is anyone interested in donating a modicum of bandwidth to such a thing? << it's a kind-of stupid idea because a presynched chain is not verified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:18; mircea_popescu: people keep derping about uh oh, 7k nodes. BULLSHIT. we're down from 270k to 61.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this point may be worth a qntra ? not exactly news, per se, but certainly would be news to a large section of "community"
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yeah mircea_popescu found the bash and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00085 = 2.125 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "He has made an investment in up to 10k nodes that would be obsolete if Gavin pushes through his hard fork."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00044046 = 6.2545 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9914 @ 0.0004445 = 4.4068 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00044466 = 7.4036 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: You need an Ambien to sleep because you bought the trappings of power instead of the real thing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
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pete_dushenski: more waterfalia coming: "U.S. Marshals to auction off 50,000 bitcoins forfeited by Silk Road founder - Reuters"
mike_c: they've sold what, 80k so far?
pete_dushenski: and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt"
pete_dushenski: fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00041999 = 3.4049 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: whenever i check in on these things, the solid state drive is usually busy processing new blocks, and the 5400 rpm pogo is busy discarding bogus data or whatever it does besides processing blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.0004449 = 10.4552 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14693 @ 0.00041881 = 6.1536 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78439 @ 0.00041699 = 32.7083 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00041698 = 10.4662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5556 @ 0.00042193 = 2.3442 BTC [+]
PeterL: just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions.
PeterL: what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job?
jurov: the computer asked the questions?
lobbes: after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing
PeterL: yes, well, they were printed on the screen, and I talk into the camera to answer
PeterL: if the guy interviewing you is dejected, doesn't that tell you something about the company?
lobbes: exactly why I didn't take it lol
lobbes: which I guess you can't glean from a computer, so..
danielpbarron: they get to pretent they are important by making you apply with an automation
PeterL: a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway
PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right?
PeterL: "I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 22381 @ 0.00028529 = 6.3851 BTC [+]
trinque: PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there."
trinque: that question is effectively "please sell yourself short so I don't have to"
PeterL: oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead)
trinque: anyone have a fast node I can give deedbot btcd? it's got about a month left of catching up
danielpbarron: and in my experience, directly connecting to a node takes longer than just letting it discover peers, even when the direct connect is on the local area network
trinque: it seems to have one it likes atm
trinque: I'll just let it run unless anyone has a suggestion on how to make it hurry up
danielpbarron: although my experience in that regard is limited to pogo->pogo
danielpbarron: the bottleneck there is probably not ethernet speed
danielpbarron: well yeah disk IO is the bottleneck for one syncing with the network; i think it's another matter when one is trying to seed *while* still syncing
danielpbarron: i was hoping to conserve bandwidth by having one feed the other, but it just slowed them down
trinque: I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5931 @ 0.00042193 = 2.5025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3519 @ 0.00042678 = 1.5018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00043936 = 1.6037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00042356 = 2.7531 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00042356 = 2.2872 BTC [-]
mod6: ;;calc 1000000000000000/13853000
mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/72186529.99
mod6: so given 1qd dollars, 50tn would be ~700k btc
mod6: 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20974 @ 0.00043936 = 9.2151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00043257 = 8.4784 BTC [-] {2}
jurov got compelled to check 1FundZy to check for anything interesting
jurov: no trillions, sadly
mod6: so apparently global wealth was ~$263Tn in 2014
mod6: ;;calc 263000000000000/13853000
mod6: ;;calc 50000000000000/18985057.3883
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14524 @ 0.00043936 = 6.3813 BTC [+]
jurov: and all the incantations before it
jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution"
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