dsherm: was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there
nubbins`: how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D
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nubbins`: battery did not survive the coffee :(
dsherm: its all relative to fiat ;)
mircea_popescu: dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins
nubbins`: the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed
dsherm: m_p but at least the inflation will end
dsherm: it's an old one 4/4/14
dsherm: M_P i was talking about the article from contravex
mircea_popescu: dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.
dsherm: M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease
mircea_popescu: Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O
mircea_popescu: dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.
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dsherm: as long as it is a limited useful commodity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?
mircea_popescu: "it’s not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.
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mircea_popescu: Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actu
mircea_popescu: ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.
mircea_popescu: women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+
mircea_popescu: o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.
nubbins`: scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told
Flerb: mircea_popescu, such as?
nubbins`: tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc
nubbins`: Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D
mircea_popescu: also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.
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mircea_popescu: so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.
hanbot: mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
BlueMeanie4: you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes
mircea_popescu: the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,
mircea_popescu: try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand
mircea_popescu: now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot
BlueMeanie4: i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc
BlueMeanie4: although you could potentially use WOT ratings
mircea_popescu: irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.
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mircea_popescu: hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram…well, you know." ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
mircea_popescu: the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.
BlueMeanie4: you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC
mircea_popescu: now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
BlueMeanie4: the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin
BlueMeanie4: theres the problem of competing to execute contracts
BingoBoingo: Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust
BlueMeanie4: this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
BlueMeanie4: because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market
BlueMeanie4: sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first
BlueMeanie4: first person to bid or to execute a contract
BingoBoingo: If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner
BingoBoingo: Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
nubbins`: the details are in the pudding
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song about this very thing
BingoBoingo: Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.
BlueMeanie4: how do you measure success in a software project?
BingoBoingo: A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.
BlueMeanie4: confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it
mircea_popescu: you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock
BlueMeanie4: and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?
BingoBoingo: Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.
nubbins`: it's all about Buy it Now, anyway
BlueMeanie4: so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
nubbins`: that's a general human problem
BlueMeanie4: if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will
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BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?
BlueMeanie4: you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC
nubbins`: what's the trilema article about how irc works
BingoBoingo: Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes
nubbins`: not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
BlueMeanie4: your system seems pretty naive in this regard
BlueMeanie4: because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
BlueMeanie4: what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?
BlueMeanie4: and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?
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mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
BlueMeanie4: this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.
mircea_popescu: looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy
mircea_popescu: and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
mircea_popescu: well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.
mircea_popescu: what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?
BlueMeanie4: so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system
BlueMeanie4: its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways
mircea_popescu: it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy
BlueMeanie4: you cant have highly liquid markets this way
mircea_popescu: you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.
BlueMeanie4: what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts
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BlueMeanie4: youre loling and were there any contracts written today?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
BlueMeanie4: how can we generate millions USD in wealth
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
mircea_popescu: since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.
bats_cd03: work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.
BlueMeanie4: yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
mircea_popescu: you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.
bats_cd03: when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?
BlueMeanie4: no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
decimation: BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
BlueMeanie4: i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side
BlueMeanie4: and they made their own money system, a local currency
BlueMeanie4: and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses
BlueMeanie4: this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium
mircea_popescu: looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.
mircea_popescu: now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?
mircea_popescu: hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction
mircea_popescu: decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.
mircea_popescu: this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
BlueMeanie4: but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists
BlueMeanie4: where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house
BlueMeanie4: its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
BlueMeanie4: decimation- try building your own house then
decimation: you think I could buy a house for some gold?
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.
BlueMeanie4: if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
bats_cd03: an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?
decimation: bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?
BlueMeanie4: seems your understanding of how money works is lacking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
mircea_popescu: sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.
BlueMeanie4: its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world
BlueMeanie4: Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point
bats_cd03: surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
decimation: I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance
bats_cd03: mortgages does make people a lot of slaves
BlueMeanie4: what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available
BlueMeanie4: they are not places you would want to live
BlueMeanie4: youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth
BlueMeanie4: wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness
bats_cd03: maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?
nubbins`: they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"
bats_cd03: after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.
nubbins`: they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"
bats_cd03: still working through some papers, ya
decimation: BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses
bats_cd03: your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none
BlueMeanie4: true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist
BlueMeanie4: so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.
BlueMeanie4: or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
nubbins`: i've still got a "gilbert dollar"
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.
mircea_popescu: this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record
nubbins`: some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
nubbins`: although that's at a larger scale again
BlueMeanie4: they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages
mircea_popescu: tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
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BlueMeanie4: because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity
BlueMeanie4: all major money systems today are flexible money supplies
TheNewDeal: BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?
BlueMeanie4: this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems
BlueMeanie4: gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.
BlueMeanie4: these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?
mircea_popescu: the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.
BlueMeanie4: im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works
mircea_popescu: well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!
BlueMeanie4: youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either
BlueMeanie4: and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now
mircea_popescu: seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.
BlueMeanie4: so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well
BlueMeanie4: and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult
bats_cd03: careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.
BlueMeanie4: you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative
mircea_popescu: "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."
decimation: BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?
mircea_popescu: see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.
mircea_popescu: hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.
BlueMeanie4: the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas
BlueMeanie4: unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere
mircea_popescu: what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
decimation: asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever
bats_cd03: i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.
decimation: the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.
decimation: asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
decimation: danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see
decimation: at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage
danielpbarron: 09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)
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thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
thestringpuller: which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale
decimation: asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me
decimation: watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
dsherm: nice to witness hard money supporters in action
decimation: asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"
decimation: asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful
vmuser: Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)
dsherm: only got interested in econ post 2008
decimation: asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles
decimation: it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable
decimation: like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?
decimation: dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention
decimation: asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)
dsherm: decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system
decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
assbot: Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography
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decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings
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TheNewDeal: then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating
TheNewDeal: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317
gribble: You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
decimation: if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
TheNewDeal: have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing
dsherm: was reading contravex blog
TheNewDeal: what was the contravex blog blagging about
dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots
dsherm: TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian
dsherm: danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian
decimation: dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly
dsherm: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians
TheNewDeal: sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when
dsherm: TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells
TheNewDeal: i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians
TheNewDeal: suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that
decimation: TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?
TheNewDeal: many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?
TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"
decimation: TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic
decimation: as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?
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dsherm: decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
jborkl: How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately
kakobrekla: i thought hallucinations are default in us.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price
decimation: dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
dsherm: decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.
decimation: asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real
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jborkl: ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?
decimation: dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit
TheNewDeal: couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip
ben_vulpes: jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.
ben_vulpes: running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now
dsherm: decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night
ben_vulpes: its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jborkl: Nice, not I had not seen that yet
BingoBoingo: BitBet is going to win the impressions race
BingoBoingo: Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again
ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar
ben_vulpes: yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...
assbot: Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf
decimation: asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos
decimation: as well as all kinds of soviet strange
TheNewDeal: anywhere to find an engrish version :(
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration
jborkl: Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc
ben_vulpes: ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day
ben_vulpes: every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day
ben_vulpes: each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool
ben_vulpes: venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
TheNewDeal: in russian? or what is that language :/
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.
TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian
decimation: some things simply resist commercialism
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BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before
decimation: all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual
ben_vulpes: bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
decimation: ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient
ben_vulpes: all i know is that the house is on fire
ben_vulpes: (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)
BingoBoingo: In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.
ben_vulpes: all you know are the links they're linking.
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums
ben_vulpes: even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places
ben_vulpes: but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...
ben_vulpes: mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.
ben_vulpes: and a complicated optimization problem to boot.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website
decimation: ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
ben_vulpes: see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...
ben_vulpes: he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does
ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets
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decimation: asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!
decimation: it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march
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BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...
decimation: asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast
decimation: BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc
BingoBoingo: decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..
decimation: BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal
decimation: asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?
decimation: surely those are available surplus for cheap these days
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BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance
BingoBoingo: decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane
decimation: asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock
BingoBoingo: decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped
decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint
decimation: usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
decimation: asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified
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BingoBoingo: Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
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decimation: lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs
decimation: asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant
decimation: anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00069141 = 15.5913 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them
mircea_popescu: you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist"
TheNewDeal: gotta find me a cryptozoologist position
mircea_popescu: decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings << but it already does this.
mircea_popescu: dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00068884 = 1.5154 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: did he ever get it? << yeah yeah. it's not THAT intuitive a system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: keeps this feasible << and by feasible you mean plausible ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter < yeah srsly, i wouldn't put much stock in that counter.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems.
mircea_popescu: it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun << i dun see it.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing < :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? << what are weddng rings if not a system for slow-cooking tattoos ?
mircea_popescu: turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just took some arbitrary numbers. you can make it 10 bitcents a day, in which case it costs 0.1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that's obviously all subjective neh ?
mircea_popescu: generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00068957 = 6.2406 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays.
mircea_popescu: if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/
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ben_vulpes: back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again
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mircea_popescu: if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works.
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mircea_popescu: this is how the glorious lie was born in the first place.
mircea_popescu: they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ?
mircea_popescu: keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape
mircea_popescu: their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed.
mircea_popescu: how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ?
mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00068798 = 18.2315 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it's ukrainian and backed by beet salad.
TheNewDeal: put me down for one thousand beet coins
beetcoin: "Satan is glad when I am bad, / And hopes that I with him shall lie, / In fire and chains, and dreadful pains." -- Victorian child's poem
beetcoin: you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal
beetcoin: I'm sure someone will sell you one.
mircea_popescu: dude victorians were seriously selling bdsm to preteens ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song.
beetcoin: i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels
TheNewDeal: i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels
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TheNewDeal: pound? that's not a thousand. I'm talking a kilo
beetcoin: I'm sorry, I don't have any actual beetcoins
mircea_popescu: jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk.
mircea_popescu: for the spell, how would the cow ever know it's not controlling you.
beetcoin: thanks for +v mircea_popescu, I'll mainly lurk for a while after it expires, I'm interested in this channel
TheNewDeal: so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit.
mircea_popescu: shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there.
BingoBoingo: Hardware BA real estate prices don't look so bad
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BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores"
BingoBoingo: Fuck, looking at the hardware #BA craigslist... reading Trilema made my Spanish much better than I thought
BingoBoingo: Thanks, Well... 4 years of college and 4 years of gradschool followed by a distinct lack of employment and bitcoin related adventures spoiled by premature cashouts has a reward
BingoBoingo feels he has to disclose now to the Feds watching that yes I am drunk.
BingoBoingo: Which is why tonight I've priced air land and sea prices for travel to hardware BA
BingoBoingo: Once I clear up the neighboring county mounty issues I'll deal with that.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm at your service to help you locate a job fit for a renegade. its what I do
BingoBoingo: Have a court date for that Thursday. Thing's been going on for over a year now. Allegedly I did a thing that was totally not a crime even if I did it because it was speech that supposed no transfer of value.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: What sort of work do you hook people up with.
RagnarDanneskjol: primarily life sci, aerospace, pharma, semiconductor and enterprise software, finance
BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? Preferably with health benefits because I haven't seen a psychiatrist since I got my Library science degree 25 months ago?
RagnarDanneskjol: other stuff to. recruitment is the same anywhere you go. sorting through the garbage is all i do
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure previous discussion on this subject are in the logs
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. let me look into it. not off the top of head, will chek lawgs and ask around for you
BingoBoingo is currently medicated with copious ETOH several times a week. It isn't no lamotrigine (which was beautiful in its effectiveness without cognitive effects, and I'm pretty sure my dick was bigger while I was on it)
BingoBoingo: Mostly it helps my avoid the manias though
BingoBoingo: When I'm depressed I'm miserable but safe.
BingoBoingo: My brother does, with his wife. It's adorable.
BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person.
BingoBoingo: I like domestic dogs though and stray cats. I also dislike domestic cats and stray dogs.
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☟︎ BingoBoingo: Nice, I have trouble trusting dogs without long faces.
BingoBoingo: Because you dunno when a pug is just going to stop breathing
BingoBoingo: My brother has a corgi mix named Frank. Frank is adorable. Frank would not make a good guard dog. Frank is great at giving elderly relatives hope though.
BingoBoingo: Well, my estimation on the elderly is more empiricle though. It's been a while since grampa tried to drink a bottle of pesticide.
BingoBoingo: It's dark but true. The pesticide he tried was basically a concentrated nicotine and being old enough to have smoke a lot... he went to the hospital nauseous after trying to crash his truck.
BingoBoingo: Shit happens. People get desperate for change... I mean Obama was elected twice
BingoBoingo: csshih: Were you the mole who gave the FBI/Treasury my address (not that you would have needed to)
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I think the two hated each other.
BingoBoingo: Maybe this was their play at Good cop/Bad Cop, but they seemed to LEGIT hate each other.
BingoBoingo: It was friendly FBI agency and pissed off Treasury agent sore he had to waste his time on a pauper
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Sometime send me an email and GPG it. Maybe I'll give you my slave name?
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, will soon, think I'll need further help with the bot thing too, so need to do a few more test messages anyway
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If nothing else, what does this say about the average worth of humanity if a booze loving person with Bipolar I can be featured as a voice through Van-ads?
cazalla: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun <<< ninjashogun parted earlier today so perhaps you are right
BingoBoingo: I mean if pete's people the Jews are right... Noah better work on getting his pussy all wet again to make dat flood
BingoBoingo: So for my personal safety, a list of things I do not own and have no access to: Nailguns, duffelbags my size, a distinct lack of hope that would make me want to exit the world of the living
BingoBoingo: Well I don't own one and I'm cribbing alf's list of inconvenient things that lead to suspicious 'suicides"
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm a little surprised to learn carry such inclinations based on your writings. seems you have a fairly healthy/jovial outlook on life to me
pankkake: nailgun is the preferred banker suicide method apparently
BingoBoingo: The clinically crazy being part of the "smart" or the "elite", I'm also fortunate to have a very seasonal sort of bipolar in that summers I get a mania that is always unfamiliar and winters I get a very familiar depression. Both conditions and the space in between are Incredibly livable.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Been in the Middle West all my life.
BingoBoingo: But if I go quiet too long a number of people here know my slave name.
BingoBoingo: Eh, not necessarily tropical. Just different.
pankkake: I use my real name for "professional" stuff because it's the custom, but I'd rather use a pseudonym there too
pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work
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assbot: need help with my router configuration
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RagnarDanneskjol: (Realizing two-factor authentication for the Bitcoin protocol)
assbot: Ted Rubin Talks Twitter, Brands and Social Media Marketing - US News
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever.
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought it was amusing, being one who has never took part in in social medias. I thought it relevant in the context of wot
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xmj: fluffypony: that's the bitcoin block betting site i mentioned
xmj: fluffypony: they're silent live, figured you might like that
xmj: (the betting part, heh)
xmj: How much do I get away with, setting a retainer for sysadmin services?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00083746 = 12.3107 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "who' s the commisioner? Andreas A or mark kaperles? both would be great. if it can be autographed and laminated, i'll get one."
nubbins`: yeah, i replied w/ a time-sensitive invoice :)
nubbins`: btc price guaranteed til aug 31
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> fatter - works. /// taller while laying down :)
ThickAsThieves: <+xmj> RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. /// why is it one or the other? Both are necessary qualities.
ThickAsThieves: But i'm certainly not listening to some Social Media Marketer rediscover what he threw away
xmj: ThickAsThieves: it's not.
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there's a certain kind of person who will tell you that it is, and it is about connections.
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chetty: I suppose the wot is a kind of 'known connections'
xmj: fluffypony: think i can get away with charging people EUR 300 as retainer if they want "pure pay as you go" ?
xmj: e.g. as "fee for access"
fluffypony: that's steep if it doesn't buy them anything
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> it's linkedin without the nonsense//++
jborkl: ;;getrating ben_vulpes
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
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eightyeight: how long does each '!up' last? 30 minutes each, or is there an exponential scale, with some sort of max?
chetty: 30 minutes until you can do it yourself, then its permanent
xmj: once verified through gpg
kakobrekla: he is authed, just doesnt have a rating
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
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kakobrekla: <assbot> eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: ;;rate eightyeight 1 solely for the purpose of #b-a voice
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jborkl: kakobrekla, you seeded or donated to start van-ads?
kakobrekla: well he runs trilema ads gor if that is what you mean, other than that - ask ben
kakobrekla: eightyeight it takes some time for changes to get reflected (15min ?)
eightyeight: i was referred here by danielpbarron. so, checking it out. :)
assbot: Aaron Toponce : PGP Keysigning Policy
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20316 @ 0.00083716 = 17.0077 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: usagi: But NXT is going to kill BTC, I'm staking my stake on it
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assbot: How games' lazy storytelling uses rape and violence against women as wallpaper - Boing Boing
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there is good american beer, but it's rare
TheNewDeal: I think that would be a way to turn shitty american beer into mediocre beer
TheNewDeal: which is the majority of american beer, shit
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no_imagination: seems pretty quiet. is there a time when this board is usually more active?
jborkl: or depends on the day as nubbins said
ben_vulpes: /me, for the record, doesn't even hold the money
ben_vulpes , for the record, doesn't even hold the money
assbot: Flappers - The Roaring Twenties - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores" << you can do better than that.
mircea_popescu: that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable.
assbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00083649 = 12.5474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth.
assbot: President Barack Obama to sidestep Congress with international emissions agreement | Mail Online
chetty: to collect salaries and bribes
mircea_popescu: all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx.
mircea_popescu: at some point the italians were working to recreate palermo there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51406 @ 0.00084012 = 43.1872 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium
mircea_popescu: the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly
mircea_popescu: than of the original vision of the stalin in question.
mircea_popescu: well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D
mircea_popescu: Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?"
mircea_popescu: lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!"
mircea_popescu: . Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world.
assbot: Aaron Toponce (AaronToponce) auf Twitter
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mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that.
mircea_popescu: poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? <<< ahahha this made my lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> jailbird can dream, cannit ? << This
BingoBoingo: Dreams of cigarette powered balloons and homemade zepplins
mircea_popescu: you gotta stop hussling poor innocent ppls tho. ragnar fellow is an actual recruiter, wtf do you want to do as a librarian.
BingoBoingo: Eh make enough to escape. Have a second career as a party herder.
mircea_popescu: well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ?
assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
nubbins`: ^ cavirtex / havelock shenanigans
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no, actually, it wouldn't. << Surprisingly true
mircea_popescu: and this even if we don't go all b-a and consider a hire only something that comes with stock options.
nubbins`: trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time
nubbins`: srsly, if you accept the buyout, ithey retroactively declare you were never a shareholder
mircea_popescu: "I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook.
mircea_popescu: There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook."
nubbins`: or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? << believe that was vulpes
mircea_popescu: rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing.
mircea_popescu: (it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ?
TheNewDeal: brother put cocoa in the coffee. is this a thing?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00084455 = 22.7437 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> !up RagnarsBitch
TheNewDeal: question on bad or good bet - "All volatility bets resolve no"
mircea_popescu: someone bets, makes a special volatility bet right after, wins.
BingoBoingo: Maybe if you specify which volatility bets in advance
TheNewDeal: that's what I was saying. September, October, 2014
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TheNewDeal: the only ones which exist right now, not considering the August
assbot: Heads Up: Nginx Removed From Base
mircea_popescu: "On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago."
BingoBoingo: Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works.
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assbot: /hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment
Apocalyptic: <TheNewDeal> he has moved beyond ass & tities // he's now pumping some scamcoins yeah
shovel_boss: im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use
shovel_boss: esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom
shovel_boss: analytics is real, there are people actually getting paid to do this in the real world
mircea_popescu: said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone."
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, unlike that guy i do it for free
dignork: shovel_boss | i go insider info on that one <<< mental note to myself, do not share any info
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog
shovel_boss: have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts?
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss so you do 4 a day for weeks each, this is no counter.
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, tell me why what i do is bad
shovel_boss: i already stopped posting my ad here cause i know you will bash it
shovel_boss: i dont see how my chan is different than this
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or was that vulpes << don't know that i ever achieved the kind of skills that an actual machinist can lay claim to, but i've operated the whole standard library in production settings.
mircea_popescu: "The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco
mircea_popescu: hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems."
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist << also blew some stuff up, also built some "rockets", also designed some components for rockets.
mircea_popescu: shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit.
TheNewDeal: just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment
mircea_popescu: so i'd say by prevailing marketplace standards you ARE a violinist.
ben_vulpes: best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work << you can prolly legally change your name to say Pan K. Kake
ben_vulpes: all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it"
ben_vulpes: no consideration of programming costs or tooling complexities or anything.
mircea_popescu: this self-upgrading thing is fascinating eh asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: some things are going to be hard no matter what
mircea_popescu: really makes the point that there's no "can't", just "won't".
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 01:47:41; asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.
ben_vulpes: my only experience with that sort of stuff is echoes in wafer probe signal lines
ben_vulpes: lol have i ever touched a 'scsi' anything
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aren't you a Mac person, what useful non-scsi thing plugs into a real Mac?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm a nix hacker, i use a mac 'cause its chassis is aluminum
assbot: How It's Made Ball Bearings - YouTube
ben_vulpes: the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too
ben_vulpes: milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable
TheNewDeal: pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices"
ben_vulpes: dumb shit like that's why i mute fab videos
mircea_popescu: fucking usability freaks make evertyhing sound like it's addressed to 12 yos.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: principles are pretty simple. lotsa force, high rigidity.
ben_vulpes: ibeams, hydraulics, maybe some guides...
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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them.
mircea_popescu: i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set
ben_vulpes: hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business?
ben_vulpes: don't let it staple your intestines together...
jurov: URGENT: Seeking child-size degaussing machine
chetty: <mircea_popescu> yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.// well does the world really need (can it stand) little mps
punkman: derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen."
mircea_popescu: where there is no laparoscope there'd better not be feromagnets.
jurov: there's self-appendectomy
mircea_popescu: punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ?
mircea_popescu: The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's killed more innocent bystanders than the wars in iraq.
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
mircea_popescu: Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not
mircea_popescu: only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, people who live in decent places tend to assume the us is similarly a decent place, and readily forget the sort of rogue shithole it actually is.
mircea_popescu: Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested
mircea_popescu: him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.
chetty: <asciilifeform> most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep// who said they were awake to go back to sleep
mircea_popescu: xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. << i've said it.
mircea_popescu: outside of "whom you know", "what you know" simply reduces to "what you think you know" and nobody got time for that.
mircea_popescu: as far as the police state is concerned, nobody else is good anything. just listen to one of the fuckwits go.
mircea_popescu: take sunil dutta, the convicted felon who still has a death warrant outstanding on his head.
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a flying fuck what's on "his mind". what's he supposed to be, the hive overlord or some shit ?
xmj: mircea_popescu: it's binary
xmj: so, if you don't know no one OR don't know nothing, either won't help you
mircea_popescu: not that im proposing ted rubin knows anyone, or is relevant to anything.
xmj: then you're missing the context we discussed earlier
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i have a shell script. i can get it for you. one sec
eightyeight: i think there is actually a bug with it. i just haven't had the chance to look at it actually
assbot: PGP trust paths : Aaron Toponce -> Mircea Popescu
eightyeight: you need gnupg, imagemagick, and graphviz installed
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i saw your comment on my blog re: my retort to dr. green on his assesment about pgp
eightyeight: i just run it locally when i get new signatures or when i sign new keys
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway...
eightyeight: depending on the size of your web of trust, it could take a few minutes
eightyeight: and, like i said, it has a bug that was brought to my attention. i just haven't addressed it. maybe i can get to that tonight
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assbot: Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: oh, you also need 'signing-party' installedfor sig2dot(1)
mircea_popescu: "As Sarkeesian points out, you may get a mission to hunt down a brutal pimp, but you'll never get a mission to get the hooker he's just beaten to a pulp to the hospital, nor do you unlock achievements by visiting her at a shelter or helping her get re-established elsewhere. These women exist solely to be victimized, so that you can murder the bad guys without any scruple."
mircea_popescu: holy shit what sort of bullshit is this. who wants a MISSION to take battered sluts to the er.
chetty: <assbot> Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun// uh, what was ever secret about that?
mircea_popescu: "Over the years I have told a number of friends that, if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade, there would be a huge crater in upstate New York centered on what used to be West Seneca Junior High School.
mircea_popescu: Had Orson Scott Card’s novel Ender’s Game existed then, I might have been one of its biggest fans. I would have been enraptured by the story of the innocent who is persecuted despite his innocence, perhaps even because of it. The superior child whose virtues are not recognized. The adults who fail to protect. The vicious bullies who get away with their bullying. That was the world as I saw it in seventh grade. "
mircea_popescu: everrrry worthless pencilneck 7yo is "superior" in his own fucktarded brain.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding he sucks at anything and everything. "he's too good for this world"
assbot: Creating the Innocent Killer
mircea_popescu: "if i wasn't a snot-nosed worthjless sack of shit back when i was a snot-nosed worthless sack of shit"
mircea_popescu: "When passing the ball, you throw gently, so as the other person can
mircea_popescu: catch it. On the other hand, when passing to Fred, you try to break his nose!"
BingoBoingo: That's ok, because Fred's parents were cockolds and his bull was the NBA star. Fred insists on this treatment to prepare him for handling harried sloppy passes in games that mattter.
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assbot: DoT Proposes Mandating Vehicle-To-Vehicle Communications - Slashdot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway... << like i ain't got enough to do with van already
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assbot: News Aggregator Fark Adds Misogyny Ban - Slashdot
assbot: 33 Months In Prison For Recording a Movie In a Theater - Slashdot
cazalla: missed the ball bearing talk but my old man was a fitter n turner, use to bring me home "marbles" the size of a tennis ball to take to school, many tears over smashed marbles
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.01, Best ask: 518.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.74000, Last trade: 518.86, 24 hour volume: 7090.67615405, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 516.076766915
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 259052.14 in 1662 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -86.21
mod6: just about to add in the '%vwap' command here in a few minutes.
mod6: ok time for an opinion
mod6: < BitOTTer1> [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 2M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198 << 30d-vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k?
assbot: devthedev +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mod6: yea, im gonna try to fix that too, the rounding isn't even close.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: He's a kid who hangs around the forum and some other places, seems mostly harmless
jurov: what you're the dev for?
devthedev: I've had to give it a break because school just started back up :/
devthedev: I'm not sure I understand the questions
jurov: what you develop in
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'devthedev', with hostmask 'devthedev!~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev', is identified as user 'devthedev', with GPG key id 84E2D89445C1BEA5, key fingerprint 57AD057E646B305C8D6ECBF036C0C43082715843, and bitcoin address 1GUsEgNhMUq1tAAje63SpHp5bLHdz12mdY
devthedev: Negative, I'm just starting to dig into PHP and JS. I mainly just do HTML/CSS.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user devthedev has been recorded.
jurov: on unrelated note, i today kinda understood haskell monads
jurov: and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.00084274 = 5.2351 BTC [-]
jurov: also i have some suspicion why it was chosen to prototype perl6
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1721k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mod6: ok, it'll have to be like that for now, will work on that volume rounding part.
jurov: Apocalyptic pls switch to libraries of congress
jurov: or whatever #b-a stamdard like double cherry truckful of coins
mike_c: TheNewDeal: indeed, the site knew I was on vacation and has been throwing a tantrum. My apologies. I beat it appropriately and it is back on track.
mike_c: Another recent fuck you from Armory: The latest version creates incompatible tx's with old versions.. So you can't use the new version online to create a tx for an older version serving as an offline cold wallet.
mike_c: they are really managing to screw up a decent wallet.
jurov: i'm referring to 30d-Vol: 1721k
Apocalyptic: if you're refering to the format of that number, that's mod6's bot :)
mod6: fixed it... one sec.
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
ben_vulpes: <jurov> and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end << my experience with haskell writ large
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: 'ticker' is not a defined function.
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 78 @ 0.01186496 = 0.9255 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34139 @ 0.00084219 = 28.7515 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31611 @ 0.00084672 = 26.7657 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment"
http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 85(Y):15(N) by coin, 87(Y):13(N) by weight. Total bet: 1312.82551814 BTC. Current weight: 50,985.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00084348 = 15.0983 BTC [-]