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penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/
dsherm: thanks bb
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/12/anyaamsel-31810/images/full/02.jpg
BingoBoingo: dsherm: You are welcome
dsherm: was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there
nubbins`: how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D
ben_vulpes: ah, i missed the marmot.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049
nubbins`: battery did not survive the coffee :(
dsherm: its all relative to fiat ;)
mircea_popescu: dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins
thestringpuller: dsherm: is that a new one?
mircea_popescu: usd or doge or w/e
thestringpuller: nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac?
nubbins`: i just ruined a mac battery
thestringpuller: better than ruining a mac no?
nubbins`: the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed
nubbins`: indeed, yes
dsherm: m_p but at least the inflation will end
thestringpuller: what kind of mac battery?
thestringpuller: for the pro?
mircea_popescu: dsherm when ?
thestringpuller: i just got a mac book air
dsherm: it's an old one 4/4/14
mircea_popescu: huh ?
dsherm: M_P i was talking about the article from contravex
nubbins`: late-2008 macbook
mircea_popescu: dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust deego
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012
mircea_popescu: at first i thought this must be a scammer play.
dsherm: M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease
mircea_popescu: !up Flerb
mircea_popescu: Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O
mircea_popescu: dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product
assbot: Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list << lmao
assbot: Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.
dsherm: as long as it is a limited useful commodity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?
asciilifeform: even funnier
asciilifeform: not even because it works - or doesn't
mircea_popescu: "it’s not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."
asciilifeform: 'I don’t want to fucking test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.'
asciilifeform: !s have to dip
assbot: 4 results for 'have to dip' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=have+to+dip
ben_vulpes: don't stop
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.
ben_vulpes: be leeeeeeving
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
mircea_popescu: Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actu
mircea_popescu: ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.
mircea_popescu: o fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: what sort of alternative reality is this!
mircea_popescu: women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+
mircea_popescu: and to stop bitching about it!
mircea_popescu: o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.
asciilifeform: phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets.
asciilifeform: perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.
mircea_popescu: a millenium+ ago.
mircea_popescu: all the greek sluts moved south and went to work.
nubbins`: scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told
Flerb: mircea_popescu, such as?
nubbins`: tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc
nubbins`: Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D
mircea_popescu: also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: mkay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?'
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident BlueMeanie4
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing
BlueMeanie4: how do i gribble
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
gribble: Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535
BlueMeanie4: i did that laready!
mircea_popescu: girbble blinked
mircea_popescu: if it didn't see you at any point it resets it.
mircea_popescu: hafta do it again
asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes.
asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/
mircea_popescu: even were it wall street.
mircea_popescu: shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now.
BlueMeanie4: ok got the passwd
mircea_popescu: ;;everify
hanbot: mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: ho hum
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
BlueMeanie4: you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly
BlueMeanie4: eath what?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: no, THERE you need the name.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: fuck this
BlueMeanie4: its the second time i did this
BingoBoingo: lol
BlueMeanie4: this is ridiculous
BlueMeanie4: i have a degree in CS
BlueMeanie4: make your system usable for christ sakes
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes
kakobrekla: they dont teach pgp in cs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now you misguided him!
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way :
BlueMeanie4: let the techno condescention begin
mircea_popescu: it's a time tested system to keep idiots out.
mircea_popescu: the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,
kakobrekla: failed on me.
mircea_popescu: when you don't have to deal with them
asciilifeform automated long ago and mostly forgot
BlueMeanie4: maybe ill try again next year
mircea_popescu: usability is good ; barriers to entry are better.
mircea_popescu: try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.
mircea_popescu: you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: shit.
mircea_popescu: you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
kakobrekla passed the arian test although black
mircea_popescu: then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla
mircea_popescu: and you're done
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)
BlueMeanie4: ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
gribble: Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535
BingoBoingo: Now ;;everify "string"
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
mircea_popescu: yay.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand
BlueMeanie4: do i win an internet
mircea_popescu: now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot
mircea_popescu: and in the window that pops say !up
mircea_popescu: see ?
mircea_popescu: self -serve.
BlueMeanie4: i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc
mircea_popescu: and use it by yourself ?
BlueMeanie4: although you could potentially use WOT ratings
mircea_popescu: irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.
BlueMeanie4: no one can use this thing
mircea_popescu: i'm not here because it sucks.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+]
BlueMeanie4: its not about 'using it by yourself'
BlueMeanie4: if people want to short
BlueMeanie4: or some other instrumet
BlueMeanie4: they can do it
mircea_popescu: hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram…well, you know." ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
BlueMeanie4: what makes you htink you can do that
mircea_popescu: ha-ha.
mircea_popescu: what do they teach in cs these days ?
BlueMeanie4: so youre threatening any alternatives?
mircea_popescu: no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant.
mircea_popescu: the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.
mircea_popescu: that's all.
BlueMeanie4: im trying to explain USABILITY to you
BlueMeanie4: you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC
mircea_popescu: somewhere they'll fuck around.
kakobrekla: in -otc
mircea_popescu: now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion
mircea_popescu: which is what we're having.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
BlueMeanie4: the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin
BingoBoingo: Yes you can
BlueMeanie4: theres the problem of competing to execute contracts
BingoBoingo: Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust
BlueMeanie4: this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
nubbins`: RIGHT ON
BlueMeanie4: because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market
BingoBoingo: Miners routinely exclude transactions
BlueMeanie4: sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first
BlueMeanie4: first person to bid or to execute a contract
BingoBoingo: If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner
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asciilifeform: !b 1 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think you missed
nubbins`: nod
BingoBoingo: Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
BlueMeanie4: proof is in the pudding
BlueMeanie4: does anyone use this thing
nubbins`: the details are in the pudding
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song about this very thing
BingoBoingo: Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ?
BlueMeanie4: how do you measure success in a software project?
BingoBoingo: A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.
BlueMeanie4: confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it
BlueMeanie4: its more of a distributed system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock'
mircea_popescu: you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock
BlueMeanie4: well its not so much a problem of 'slow'
BlueMeanie4: do you ever use Ebay?
mircea_popescu: not personally.
BlueMeanie4: anyone?
BingoBoingo: I've used it.
nubbins`: have in the past, yep
BlueMeanie4: and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?
nubbins`: never
nubbins`: wait, sorry.
BlueMeanie4: in the last few minutes
BingoBoingo: Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.
nubbins`: it's all about Buy it Now, anyway
nubbins`: nobody straight-up auctions
BlueMeanie4: so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
nubbins`: that's a general human problem
mircea_popescu: why is this a problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html
assbot: Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?
BlueMeanie4: you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC
BlueMeanie4: apple II_
BlueMeanie4: II+
nubbins`: what's the trilema article about how irc works
BingoBoingo: Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes
nubbins`: not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ?
BlueMeanie4: i dont know
BlueMeanie4: lets say 100k changes hands a day
mircea_popescu: so then why are you talking about it lol
mircea_popescu: so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ?
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
BlueMeanie4: your system seems pretty naive in this regard
asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ?
BlueMeanie4: because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem
asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: >.<
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot deego
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
BlueMeanie4: what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?
BlueMeanie4: and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
BlueMeanie4: Bingo: congrats?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?
BlueMeanie4: hold on
asciilifeform: and why would it matter ?
BlueMeanie4: do you accept that this is a problem?
asciilifeform: let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 944 @ 0.00093 = 0.8779 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
BlueMeanie4: this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.
mircea_popescu: looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy
asciilifeform: let me guess. 'unfair.'
mircea_popescu: parties will have this ability ANYWAY
BlueMeanie4: well im not opposed to WOT
BlueMeanie4: WOT is a rating scheme
mircea_popescu: and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.
BlueMeanie4: great
BlueMeanie4: good for WOT
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
BlueMeanie4: come here WOT lets have a group hug
mircea_popescu: well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.
BlueMeanie4: not at all
mircea_popescu: so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.
mircea_popescu: what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?
BlueMeanie4: the cp?
mircea_popescu: counterparty
BlueMeanie4: oh so the cp has the ability to choose?
mircea_popescu: of course ?
BlueMeanie4: so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system
mircea_popescu: quite.
BlueMeanie4: its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways
mircea_popescu: it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy
BlueMeanie4: you cant have highly liquid markets this way
mircea_popescu: didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.
BlueMeanie4: what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts
BlueMeanie4: as in- determine them
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 ever seen http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php ?
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order book
BlueMeanie4: youre loling and were there any contracts written today?
bats_cd03: lol
bats_cd03: such patience on mp's part
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today?
BlueMeanie4: its like a BBS
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ?
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
BlueMeanie4: again not saying htis is worthless
mircea_popescu: most everyone else does not want to say.
BlueMeanie4: but im interested in bigger game
BlueMeanie4: how can we generate millions USD in wealth
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
asciilifeform: hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ?
mircea_popescu: since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.
BlueMeanie4: what does generate mean?
bats_cd03: work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.
BlueMeanie4: gen - latin root for 'create'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.
asciilifeform: how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite.
asciilifeform: like this answer ?
BlueMeanie4: yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations
mircea_popescu: only iyo.
asciilifeform: so - extract. ?
BlueMeanie4: its not extract
asciilifeform: !s chumpatronics
assbot: 102 results for 'chumpatronics' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chumpatronics
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
mircea_popescu: you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.
bats_cd03: when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?
BlueMeanie4: no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
mircea_popescu: nope.
BlueMeanie4: makes a society wealthier
asciilifeform: lol!
BlueMeanie4: sure it idoes
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/26/infosec-education-because-stephane-bortzmeyer-is-lazy-and-im-not/
asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled
BlueMeanie4: thats how a money supply expands
bats_cd03: lol.
bats_cd03: makes somebody wealthier, maybe.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?
BlueMeanie4: back in ignoramous paranoia land
BlueMeanie4: here ill give you an example
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
BlueMeanie4: i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side
BlueMeanie4: and they made their own money system, a local currency
bats_cd03: your universe must be small mate
BlueMeanie4: out of nothing
BlueMeanie4: and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses
BlueMeanie4: plumbing, electrical, etc
BlueMeanie4: this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium
mircea_popescu: looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.
BlueMeanie4: with no capital
BlueMeanie4: no thats not at all correct
mircea_popescu: now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay
mircea_popescu: but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us.
BlueMeanie4: either in principle or in practice
BlueMeanie4: well the people didnt have houses before
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?
BlueMeanie4: then they had houses
mircea_popescu: hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.
BlueMeanie4: thats POORER?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction
mircea_popescu: decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not
mircea_popescu: this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
BlueMeanie4: sure it is, I met these people
BlueMeanie4: of course they had to work
BlueMeanie4: but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists
BlueMeanie4: where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house
decimation: none of this required debt to operate
BlueMeanie4: its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
BlueMeanie4: decimation- try building your own house then
decimation: you think I could buy a house for some gold?
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.
BlueMeanie4: if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
mircea_popescu: now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ?
bats_cd03: an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages.
decimation: bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
bats_cd03: i guess i've been here too long.
bats_cd03: 'here': #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from?
mircea_popescu: now that's an interesting point. if only...
mircea_popescu: anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.
asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear
mircea_popescu: what is this shit even.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.
asciilifeform: the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?
BlueMeanie4: seems your understanding of how money works is lacking
bats_cd03: hue hue hue
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets'
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
mircea_popescu: sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.
BlueMeanie4: its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world
bats_cd03: lol.
asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining'
bats_cd03: what about nanograms?
BlueMeanie4: Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point
bats_cd03: surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
nubbins`: my sides
bats_cd03: ikr
BlueMeanie4: nubbins, it absolutely does
decimation: I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance
bats_cd03: mortgages does make people a lot of slaves
BlueMeanie4: what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available
BlueMeanie4: there are mnay places that do have this
BlueMeanie4: they are not places you would want to live
bats_cd03: decimation: lol'd
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks.
BlueMeanie4: whats 'here'
BlueMeanie4: youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?
BlueMeanie4: thats absurd?
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth
BlueMeanie4: wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness
bats_cd03: maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another
nubbins`: they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"
BlueMeanie4: bats- have you?
bats_cd03: after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.
nubbins`: they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"
BlueMeanie4: nubbins, that exactly what they did
bats_cd03: still working through some papers, ya
BlueMeanie4: and you think Keynes was an austrian?
decimation: BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses
bats_cd03: your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none
BlueMeanie4: true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist
bats_cd03: i do not think that.
BlueMeanie4: so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.
BlueMeanie4: or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ?
BlueMeanie4: something like that
nubbins`: my city did this once
nubbins`: not uncommon
bats_cd03: BingoBoingo: brilliant
BlueMeanie4: these days maybe not
nubbins`: 1982-83
BlueMeanie4: whats your city
nubbins`: i've still got a "gilbert dollar"
nubbins`: st. john's, canada
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.
BlueMeanie4: ya ok
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on)
mircea_popescu: this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.
BlueMeanie4: sure
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record
nubbins`: some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
nubbins`: although that's at a larger scale again
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins?
mircea_popescu: be it fascist us or socialist norway.
nubbins`: asciilifeform :0 +1
BlueMeanie4: they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages
mircea_popescu: now how would you confuse those two ?
BingoBoingo: Or Beads in Manhattan
mircea_popescu: tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs.
BlueMeanie4: what is your point?
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "tin women, that's what"
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mircea_popescu: tsk.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ < there
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity
BlueMeanie4: all major money systems today are flexible money supplies
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ?
TheNewDeal: BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?
BlueMeanie4: this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems
BlueMeanie4: gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.
mircea_popescu: is it ?
BlueMeanie4: these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?
mircea_popescu: the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.
asciilifeform: it also helps gravity to keep working
BlueMeanie4: ill leave it at this
BlueMeanie4: as most of these dicussions go
BlueMeanie4: im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works
mircea_popescu: well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!
BlueMeanie4: youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either
BlueMeanie4: and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now
mircea_popescu: seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.
BlueMeanie4: so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well
BlueMeanie4: and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult
mircea_popescu: your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch.
bats_cd03: hahahahaha
bats_cd03: careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.
BlueMeanie4: you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative
BlueMeanie4: thats comical
mircea_popescu: "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."
mircea_popescu: totally.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?
BlueMeanie4: i dont have to convince anyone
mircea_popescu: yeah, you kinda do.
BlueMeanie4: "all the cool countries do it"?
mircea_popescu: see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.
asciilifeform: just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?'
mircea_popescu: hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.
BlueMeanie4: the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas
BlueMeanie4: unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere
mircea_popescu: lolwut.
mircea_popescu: these borken ideas ARE capitalism.
bats_cd03: b-but, inequality?
mircea_popescu: what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.
BlueMeanie4: later
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof
asciilifeform: incl. 'equality' and 'democracy'
asciilifeform: and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade.
mircea_popescu: should be fun. but anyway, bbl.
decimation: asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever
asciilifeform: decimation: only when they're done preying on the living
bats_cd03: i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.
danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite
decimation: the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.
asciilifeform: which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?
bats_cd03: would recommend!
decimation: asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Lulz
danielpbarron: you guys don't have to !up them
bats_cd03: !s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol
thestringpuller: I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes.
bats_cd03: whats hard to watch about Trigun?
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.
decimation: danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level
asciilifeform: a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis.
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see
decimation: at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage
danielpbarron: 09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)
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BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4
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BingoBoingo: O.o
danielpbarron: ohhh SNAP
decimation: what is trusted can also be untrusted
asciilifeform: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet.
bats_cd03: http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.16186,y.2014,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx
assbot: American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society
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bats_cd03: 'the quest for randomness'
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BingoBoingo: !b 7 ✂︎
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said.
bats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpiQiySOHE
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bats_cd03: asciilifeform: go on
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random'
bats_cd03: i figured, but had to ask
bats_cd03: was browsing msdn yesterday -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff975191%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
assbot: canPlayType method (Internet Explorer)
bats_cd03: canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe"
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
thestringpuller: which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale
decimation: asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me
thestringpuller: if that makes any sense
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.)) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and quite another for cryptography
decimation: watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
asciilifeform: (where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se)
decimation: !up dsherm
dsherm: thanks
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.)
dsherm: nice to witness hard money supporters in action
decimation: asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked?
BingoBoingo: !up vmuser
decimation: asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful
vmuser: Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)
decimation: dsherm: are you a fan of hard money?
BingoBoingo: vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v
asciilifeform: decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ?
vmuser: Fair enugh
dsherm: only got interested in econ post 2008
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and the keys
decimation: asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'
asciilifeform: decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key
asciilifeform: or your plaintext
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine
decimation: /s/nuemann/neumann/
asciilifeform: decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety
asciilifeform: but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire
asciilifeform: this is not a shortcoming of cryptography.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles
asciilifeform: 'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: for ferreting out just what it is that people really want.
decimation: it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable
asciilifeform: if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain.
decimation: like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?
asciilifeform: consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi'
asciilifeform: and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!)
decimation: dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention
decimation: asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)
asciilifeform: decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction'
asciilifeform: which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls.
dsherm: decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis
asciilifeform: but we were contemplating specifically mental computation.
asciilifeform: s/causes/blamed for
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot
asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance
asciilifeform: !s karatsuba anthem
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asciilifeform: (fictional)
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system
asciilifeform: decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it.
asciilifeform: *bowel
decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)
asciilifeform: were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents
asciilifeform: as they did on rsa's.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say
asciilifeform: or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked
decimation: asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html
assbot: Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography
dsherm: +i
asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?'
asciilifeform: 'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you'
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
TheNewDeal: authed
asciilifeform: lol, scientist
TheNewDeal: since when am I not
TheNewDeal: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.', is not identified.
TheNewDeal: ;;eauth TheNewDeal
gribble: Request successful for user TheNewDeal, hostmask TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: no way
TheNewDeal: then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating
decimation: not a weighted average
TheNewDeal: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317
gribble: You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
decimation: if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
TheNewDeal: have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?
decimation: !up dsherm
dsherm: thx
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing
dsherm: first
decimation: dsherm: what brought you here?
dsherm: was reading contravex blog
TheNewDeal: tell us more
TheNewDeal: what was the contravex blog blagging about
dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots
dsherm: TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation
danielpbarron: reddit has libertarian roots? what now?
TheNewDeal: 5 thumbs up http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian
TheNewDeal: it's bitcoin
dsherm: danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian
decimation: dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly
dsherm: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians
TheNewDeal: sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when
dsherm: TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells
TheNewDeal: i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians
RagnarDanneskjol: that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic
TheNewDeal: suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that
decimation: TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?
ben_vulpes: did he ever get it?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust bluemeanie4
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user bluemeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=bluemeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bluemeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ?
TheNewDeal: many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no fun, you
TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"
decimation: TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot.
asciilifeform: !up jborkl
decimation: as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'
jborkl: Thank you
ben_vulpes: salud jborkl
ben_vulpes: do you have a wot handle?
jborkl: Jborkl_
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Jborkl_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811157 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
kakobrekla: did you find it?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: sadly not
asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377.
kakobrekla: k
dsherm: decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
jborkl: How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately
BingoBoingo: Hearn?
kakobrekla: i thought hallucinations are default in us.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price
decimation: dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists.
jborkl: Sweet , that is great
asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety
BingoBoingo: ;;google bud light whatever colorado
gribble: Crested Butte to be Bud Light's 'Whatever' town - US News: <http://www.usnews.com/news/offbeat/articles/2014/08/26/crested-butte-to-become-bud-lites-whatever-town>; Is Crested Butte up for Bud Light's "Whatever" campaign? It just ...: <http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26404271/crested-butte-up-whatever>; Do Good Have Fun | Bud Light Events: <http://www.budlight.com/do-good-have- (1 more message)
dsherm: decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.
decimation: asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real
asciilifeform: ;;google lem futurological congress drug
gribble: The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress>; Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress and the Future of Illusion: <http://www.transparencynow.com/introlem2.htm>; The Futurological Congress: From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Futurological-Congress-Memoirs- (1 more message)
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665
asciilifeform: (visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc)
jborkl: ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?
decimation: dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit
TheNewDeal: couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip
ben_vulpes: jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.
ben_vulpes: running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now
dsherm: decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
decimation: dsherm: that is a good point
BingoBoingo: jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
kakobrekla: asciilifeform sounds like a fun book
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it is.
dsherm: gotta run bye and thx
BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night
ben_vulpes: ^^ that's true enough
kakobrekla: bitbet slander !
ben_vulpes: its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so
ben_vulpes: hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime
ben_vulpes: dun know by how much but
kakobrekla: > 20 by now.
ben_vulpes: oh twenty hey
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jborkl: Nice, not I had not seen that yet
asciilifeform: !up eightyeight
ben_vulpes: !up eightyeight
BingoBoingo: BitBet is going to win the impressions race
BingoBoingo: Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again
ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter
eightyeight: thx
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?
ben_vulpes: eightyeight: WHAT---is your name?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in what language ?
kakobrekla: lol.
ben_vulpes: eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest?
kakobrekla: english would do
asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar
kakobrekla: a.
kakobrekla: that bad?
asciilifeform: get it in some, any, slavic one
ben_vulpes: yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
eightyeight: ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail!
asciilifeform: not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter.
asciilifeform: sadly
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#793473 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the purist
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://lib.misto.kiev.ua/LEM/futuro.txt
assbot: : . / /
asciilifeform: plain ascii txt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it
asciilifeform: http://vk.com/doc-43066394_195440371?hash=a20d107bab2e1c016a&dl=4de11202a3bbaf8cf4
assbot: Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform that book looks awesome
asciilifeform: ^original
asciilifeform: (pl)
decimation: asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change
decimation: as well as all kinds of soviet strange
TheNewDeal: anywhere to find an engrish version :(
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: engrish version << library?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration
jborkl: Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc
TheNewDeal: i've only dabbled in spanish
ben_vulpes: ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day
ben_vulpes: every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day
ben_vulpes: each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool
ben_vulpes: venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads'
TheNewDeal: in russian? or what is that language :/
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.
ben_vulpes: it's supposed to be a win-win.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics.
TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian
decimation: some things simply resist commercialism
TheNewDeal: have you read of book We?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: the book*
BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before
asciilifeform: virtually every book ever printed, in plain text.
TheNewDeal: copyrasty?
asciilifeform: copyright
TheNewDeal: ahhh
ben_vulpes: ;;ud pederasty
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast | Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ...
decimation: all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual
ben_vulpes: bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.
asciilifeform: decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards
ben_vulpes: mike_c's on vacation yo
asciilifeform: 'get married, you'll grow taller'
TheNewDeal: his website took a shit
kakobrekla: i thought its 'fatter'
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
asciilifeform: fatter - works.
asciilifeform: taller - not so much
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of
ben_vulpes: i do what i want
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient
ben_vulpes: who cares
ben_vulpes: all i know is that the house is on fire
ben_vulpes: (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)
asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun
BingoBoingo: In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.
ben_vulpes: all you know are the links they're linking.
asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums
TheNewDeal: is this 8 Восьмой ?
ben_vulpes: even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ?
ben_vulpes: well its not free.
asciilifeform: aha!
ben_vulpes: and it's not strictly a minimum.
asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher.
ben_vulpes: but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...
decimation: how much for 0 seconds?
ben_vulpes: mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.
ben_vulpes: tanstaafl, so to speak.
asciilifeform: -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else)
ben_vulpes: and a complicated optimization problem to boot.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01
gribble: 0.005475
decimation: ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?
ben_vulpes: cookies today, dubloons tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: bitcoins at all times.
asciilifeform: decimation: if peter I pays, sure.
asciilifeform: decimation: but he paid more than pocket change.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
ben_vulpes: see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...
asciilifeform: ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business
ben_vulpes: he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does
ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing
asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас'
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
ben_vulpes: different points on the trajectory
ben_vulpes: well, curve.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg/640px-Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg
asciilifeform: decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(
asciilifeform: perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store
asciilifeform: ;;google harry potter vibrating broom
gribble: Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom - Top 10 Dubious Toys - TIME: <http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1927306_1927313_1927329,00.html>; 15 Unintentionally Perverted Toys for Children | Cracked.com: <http://www.cracked.com/article_18494_15-unintentionally-perverted-toys-children.html>; Amazon.com: Harry Potter Broom: Toys & Games: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space.
asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/
assbot: A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Loper is bigger than WaPo
asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair
asciilifeform: 'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.'
decimation: asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!
asciilifeform: a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'.
decimation: it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march
decimation: apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback
assbot: Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons.
BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...
decimation: asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast
asciilifeform: there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
kakobrekla: yeah i have it on the counter.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs'
decimation: BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc
BingoBoingo: decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..
BingoBoingo: .
asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd.
decimation: BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal
asciilifeform: (none is much bigger than a deck of cards.)
decimation: asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?
decimation: surely those are available surplus for cheap these days
asciilifeform: "brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55)
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance
BingoBoingo: decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane'
asciilifeform: (why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.)
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane
decimation: asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock
decimation: it would beg to be 'compiled'
BingoBoingo: decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.
asciilifeform: (put on 'ebay', no one bid.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped
decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint
asciilifeform: the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.
asciilifeform: same re: mips.
asciilifeform: nothing magical here.
decimation: usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
asciilifeform: this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all.
asciilifeform: now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops.
asciilifeform: (why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.')
decimation: asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified
asciilifeform: smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/
assbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog
asciilifeform: but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today.
BingoBoingo: Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
asciilifeform: the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work
asciilifeform: see -
asciilifeform: http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres
assbot: Forbidden spheres | Restricted Data
decimation: lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs
decimation: asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one
asciilifeform: 'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...'
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant
asciilifeform: 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc
decimation: anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17979 @ 0.00068884 = 12.3847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00069141 = 15.5913 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret' ☟︎
asciilifeform: pertinent proverb, 'if guard knew [what's in the box] he'd pinch it himself.'
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them
mircea_popescu: you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist"
TheNewDeal: gotta find me a cryptozoologist position
mircea_popescu: decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings << but it already does this.
TheNewDeal: how so>
mircea_popescu: dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00068884 = 1.5154 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal l2 trust must be > 0
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: did he ever get it? << yeah yeah. it's not THAT intuitive a system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: keeps this feasible << and by feasible you mean plausible ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter < yeah srsly, i wouldn't put much stock in that counter.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems.
TheNewDeal: cryllic text looks daunting upfront
mircea_popescu: it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask.
mircea_popescu: not such for stuff like chinese, say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun << i dun see it.
TheNewDeal: reminds me of solving a http://www.wikihow.com/Image:Complete-a-Cryptogram-Step-1.jpg
assbot: Image:Complete a Cryptogram Step 1.jpg - wikiHow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing < :D
mircea_popescu: "experience ? what is that ?"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah that one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? << what are weddng rings if not a system for slow-cooking tattoos ?
asciilifeform: a bitcent a day << more than i'm willing to spend on lotto
mircea_popescu: turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say.
asciilifeform: being in wot doesn't void yer starfish warranty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just took some arbitrary numbers. you can make it 10 bitcents a day, in which case it costs 0.1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that's obviously all subjective neh ?
mircea_popescu: generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones.
asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site, but admittedly hasn't tried hard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00068957 = 6.2406 BTC [+]
asciilifeform recently visited a restaurant he frequented as student, and noticed appearance of placemats with (very spammy) ads.
asciilifeform was palpably dismayed, felt that the place must be in dire straits
mircea_popescu: all places are in dire straits
mircea_popescu: the mortgages made them wealthier.
asciilifeform: sure did.
asciilifeform: slow-cooking tattoos << or very fast cooking, if you do electrical or chemical work...
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays.
mircea_popescu: if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/
asciilifeform was not declaring van ad machine to be 'considered harmful'
asciilifeform: but was asked at one point why he wasn't in, and answered
hanbot: wait bluemeanie4's twitter profile reads "cryptocurrency prophet"?! https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4
assbot: Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter
asciilifeform doesn't stop in crosswalks on busy streets to pick up penny, either.
mircea_popescu: ha that's funny.
ben_vulpes: back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: closer to 'what is the value of a gram of soil'
asciilifeform: if you have a gram - you have dusty fingers
asciilifeform: a few teratons - you have a potentially-habitable planetoid
ben_vulpes: else a continent?
ben_vulpes: myeah.
ben_vulpes: grains today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0006922 = 5.3299 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: dusty hands are worth less than nothing to me. planetoid - worth something.
asciilifeform: herr newton does not tell us where the inflection point lies
asciilifeform: or how many droplets of water is a flood.
mircea_popescu: so http://altchain.org/ whence Web Design, Content Development and SEO by James Bryant.
assbot: Welcome | altchain.org :: Open Source Peer-To-Peer Cryptofinance Infrastructure
BingoBoingo: lulzy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there actually is a c).
asciilifeform: what'd that be
ben_vulpes: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwUFHE6KYsM0ZkxLVmFwbXQ3ck0/edit
assbot: peer-to-peer-assets.pdf - Google Drive
mircea_popescu: if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works.
TheNewDeal: ;;ident shovel_boss
gribble: Nick 'shovel_boss', with hostmask 'shovel_boss!~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: this is how the glorious lie was born in the first place.
asciilifeform: yes but who engineers the mechanics of what is to be hidden, inside what.
mircea_popescu: see, all romans know how the law works.
mircea_popescu: none of the germans do
mircea_popescu: c).
mircea_popescu: they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ?
asciilifeform: this presumes that either - no roman will turn coat, and explain to a german - or - no german born can understand were it told to him
mircea_popescu: if the differential is large enough
asciilifeform: much the same way we keep arithmetic secret from dogs
mircea_popescu: no german can understand it. period.
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yes.
asciilifeform: but we don't normally talk of keeping arithmetic secret from dogs
mircea_popescu: keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape
mircea_popescu: and there you go.
asciilifeform: the name of the exercise 'keeping secret' presumes an opponent capable of knowing
mircea_popescu: well of course. SEE what a well kept secret it is ?
mircea_popescu: the germans are human just as much as the romans.
mircea_popescu: their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed.
mircea_popescu: it should qualify.
asciilifeform: in card player's parlance, 'smoke more, give opponent CO poisoning'
asciilifeform: works.
mircea_popescu: how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ?
asciilifeform: i suppose one might even then include a 'd)', 'sow crank bait'
asciilifeform: (discredit nosy parkers)
mircea_popescu: good read that forbidden spheres thing.
mircea_popescu: vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: forget abject whiners a la eli weasel & co.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00068798 = 18.2315 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it's ukrainian and backed by beet salad.
beetcoin: hahaha
beetcoin: proof of fertilizer
asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. 'here have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease.''
asciilifeform: (attributed to warsaw ghetto death diary)
beetcoin: very touching, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform didn't invent
TheNewDeal: put me down for one thousand beet coins
TheNewDeal: i'm sold
beetcoin: "Satan is glad when I am bad, / And hopes that I with him shall lie, / In fire and chains, and dreadful pains." -- Victorian child's poem
beetcoin: you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: can I buy a farming contract?
beetcoin: I'm sure someone will sell you one.
mircea_popescu: dude victorians were seriously selling bdsm to preteens ?
beetcoin: it would seem so
mircea_popescu: i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song.
beetcoin: i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels
TheNewDeal: i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels
beetcoin: a pound of beets
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/peepofdayorserie00mort
assbot: The peep of day : or, a series of the earliest religious instruction the infant mind is capable of receiving, with verses illustrative of the subjects : Mortimer, Favell Lee, 1802-1878 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
asciilifeform: ^ source
TheNewDeal: pound? that's not a thousand. I'm talking a kilo
beetcoin: I'm sorry, I don't have any actual beetcoins
mircea_popescu: jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate beetcoin 0 worthless to me
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.
beetcoin: someone made this for me: http://a.pomf.se/xwjqzk.png
beetcoin: best I have to offer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ?
asciilifeform: question of degree.
asciilifeform: normally when people contemplate 'superintelligent' whatevers, if they use their imagination well, the machine is to us as we are to the bacterium
mircea_popescu: okay...
mircea_popescu: suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you cater to the ubercute desk cow ?
asciilifeform: might, for a spell. and then sell it to some weirdo who might, for lulz, eat it on camera
asciilifeform: like an oyster.
mircea_popescu: for the spell, how would the cow ever know it's not controlling you.
mircea_popescu: and yes, then we die. so ?
beetcoin: thanks for +v mircea_popescu, I'll mainly lurk for a while after it expires, I'm interested in this channel
asciilifeform: this sorta touches on 'housecats keep us pets' concept.
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: !up JimDowJones
JimDowJones: yo
mircea_popescu: ello.
TheNewDeal: so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier
JimDowJones: i think i love irc
TheNewDeal: iirc
mircea_popescu: ancient but dependable slut, irc.
JimDowJones: ya seriously what a slut
nubbins`: great barrier +veef
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr vanunu: archetypical example of 'can have problems'
asciilifeform: (bonus: look up who else sat in the same prison)
asciilifeform: how does a tiny country with no useful minerals rape the planet? this is how. piss the buggers off - no wall is tall enough
asciilifeform: (vanunu, for his part, insists they even plugged kennedy for 'rocking boat')
TheNewDeal: read it tinny
asciilifeform: 'assassin state' is a pretty good strategy. castle of alamut stood for ~200 years.
asciilifeform: (zapped by mongols, who didn't get the memo that they 'could also have problems')
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 210 @ 0.00324433 = 0.6813 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00068724 = 10.0681 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8451 @ 0.00069238 = 5.8513 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up cryptoflood
cryptoflood: hey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit.
mircea_popescu: shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there.
mircea_popescu: an' with that, im out. later all!
BingoBoingo: Hardware BA real estate prices don't look so bad
BingoBoingo: https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/apa/4617560950.html
assbot: Amazing Room For Rent in BA Class A equipment
BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores"
BingoBoingo: An Bingo needs his cigarettes
BingoBoingo: OMG hardware BA has the best jobs (only miss the age requirement by one year) https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/csr/4566163594.html
assbot: Get Paid to PARTY!!!!
RagnarDanneskjol: lol, nice one. I assumed you were a lot older than that
BingoBoingo: Fuck, looking at the hardware #BA craigslist... reading Trilema made my Spanish much better than I thought
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I'm only 28
RagnarDanneskjol: you are wise beyond your years
BingoBoingo: Thanks, Well... 4 years of college and 4 years of gradschool followed by a distinct lack of employment and bitcoin related adventures spoiled by premature cashouts has a reward
RagnarDanneskjol: haha.
BingoBoingo feels he has to disclose now to the Feds watching that yes I am drunk.
RagnarDanneskjol: ahahahah
BingoBoingo: Which is why tonight I've priced air land and sea prices for travel to hardware BA
RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Once I clear up the neighboring county mounty issues I'll deal with that.
RagnarDanneskjol: cool
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm at your service to help you locate a job fit for a renegade. its what I do
BingoBoingo: Have a court date for that Thursday. Thing's been going on for over a year now. Allegedly I did a thing that was totally not a crime even if I did it because it was speech that supposed no transfer of value.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: What sort of work do you hook people up with.
RagnarDanneskjol: any. i have been a corporate recruiter for 15 years
RagnarDanneskjol: primarily life sci, aerospace, pharma, semiconductor and enterprise software, finance
BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? Preferably with health benefits because I haven't seen a psychiatrist since I got my Library science degree 25 months ago?
RagnarDanneskjol: other stuff to. recruitment is the same anywhere you go. sorting through the garbage is all i do
RagnarDanneskjol: you serious?
BingoBoingo: Very
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure previous discussion on this subject are in the logs
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm. let me look into it. not off the top of head, will chek lawgs and ask around for you
BingoBoingo: Cool.
BingoBoingo is currently medicated with copious ETOH several times a week. It isn't no lamotrigine (which was beautiful in its effectiveness without cognitive effects, and I'm pretty sure my dick was bigger while I was on it)
RagnarDanneskjol: lol
BingoBoingo: Mostly it helps my avoid the manias though
BingoBoingo: When I'm depressed I'm miserable but safe.
RagnarDanneskjol: you have a dog?
BingoBoingo: My brother does, with his wife. It's adorable.
RagnarDanneskjol: nothing better for mental health imo
BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person.
RagnarDanneskjol: right
BingoBoingo: I like domestic dogs though and stray cats. I also dislike domestic cats and stray dogs.
RagnarDanneskjol: here are my litle piggies: https://picasaweb.google.com/106983768353184100061/PrinceAndTank?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCNjR_6nZ4dS_ogE&feat=directlink
assbot: Picasa Web Albums - shannon morrisey - Prince and Tank ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Nice, I have trouble trusting dogs without long faces.
BingoBoingo: Because you dunno when a pug is just going to stop breathing
RagnarDanneskjol: yep, me too. they are little monsters. mean too
BingoBoingo: My brother has a corgi mix named Frank. Frank is adorable. Frank would not make a good guard dog. Frank is great at giving elderly relatives hope though.
RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm. pups add years to lifespans
BingoBoingo: Well, my estimation on the elderly is more empiricle though. It's been a while since grampa tried to drink a bottle of pesticide.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh my
BingoBoingo: It's dark but true. The pesticide he tried was basically a concentrated nicotine and being old enough to have smoke a lot... he went to the hospital nauseous after trying to crash his truck.
BingoBoingo: He's well into his 90's though.
RagnarDanneskjol: wow. that's punk rock
RagnarDanneskjol: not to make light of it
BingoBoingo: Shit happens. People get desperate for change... I mean Obama was elected twice
BingoBoingo: !up ToasterButter
BingoBoingo: !up csshih_
BingoBoingo: !up csshih
BingoBoingo: csshih: Were you the mole who gave the FBI/Treasury my address (not that you would have needed to)
csshih_: not this time
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like they'd make for a good buddy cop movie
BingoBoingo: csshih: Cool
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: I think the two hated each other.
RagnarDanneskjol: perfect
BingoBoingo: Maybe this was their play at Good cop/Bad Cop, but they seemed to LEGIT hate each other.
BingoBoingo: It was friendly FBI agency and pissed off Treasury agent sore he had to waste his time on a pauper
RagnarDanneskjol: makes sense
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Sometime send me an email and GPG it. Maybe I'll give you my slave name?
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, will soon, think I'll need further help with the bot thing too, so need to do a few more test messages anyway
BingoBoingo: !up Belsage
BingoBoingo: !up warptangent
BingoBoingo: !up taub
BingoBoingo: Hey taub!
BingoBoingo: Are you like doctor taub from House taub?
BingoBoingo: !up lampelinaa
BingoBoingo: !up DoctorBTC_
BingoBoingo: DoctorBTC_ DoctorBTC: We've traded before so http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
assbot: A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog
RagnarDanneskjol: Doc is fast asleep
BingoBoingo: !up ethX
BingoBoingo: What up ethX
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0006918 = 7.2639 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If nothing else, what does this say about the average worth of humanity if a booze loving person with Bipolar I can be featured as a voice through Van-ads?
cazalla: asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun <<< ninjashogun parted earlier today so perhaps you are right
RagnarDanneskjol: i guess it means there is hope?
BingoBoingo: I mean if pete's people the Jews are right... Noah better work on getting his pussy all wet again to make dat flood
RagnarDanneskjol: ahaha
BingoBoingo: So for my personal safety, a list of things I do not own and have no access to: Nailguns, duffelbags my size, a distinct lack of hope that would make me want to exit the world of the living
RagnarDanneskjol: nailgun has to be a tough way to go. geez
BingoBoingo: Well I don't own one and I'm cribbing alf's list of inconvenient things that lead to suspicious 'suicides"
RagnarDanneskjol: i see
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm a little surprised to learn carry such inclinations based on your writings. seems you have a fairly healthy/jovial outlook on life to me
RagnarDanneskjol: learn 'YOU" carry...
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: It isn't a unique thing
RagnarDanneskjol: right
pankkake: nailgun is the preferred banker suicide method apparently
RagnarDanneskjol: good grief
BingoBoingo: The clinically crazy being part of the "smart" or the "elite", I'm also fortunate to have a very seasonal sort of bipolar in that summers I get a mania that is always unfamiliar and winters I get a very familiar depression. Both conditions and the space in between are Incredibly livable.
RagnarDanneskjol: need a change of latitude sounds like
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Been in the Middle West all my life.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, tropical climates do wonders to clear the head
BingoBoingo: But if I go quiet too long a number of people here know my slave name.
BingoBoingo: Eh, not necessarily tropical. Just different.
pankkake: I like "slave name" ;)
pankkake: I use my real name for "professional" stuff because it's the custom, but I'd rather use a pseudonym there too
pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Your name is Tobyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByhFz5e5Tno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00069481 = 17.9608 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Liberation https://buenosaires.craigslist.org/eng/4631086713.html
assbot: need help with my router configuration
BingoBoingo: Some hippy left me a comment, bread time http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/#comment-27294
assbot: Replies to Select /. Comments | Bingo Blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30093 @ 0.00069597 = 20.9438 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: huh. I might take exception to your notions on certainty
RagnarDanneskjol: not might. do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9487 @ 0.0006965 = 6.6077 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/629.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: (Realizing two-factor authentication for the Bitcoin protocol)
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/08/26/ted-rubin-talks-twitter-brands-and-social-media-marketing
assbot: Ted Rubin Talks Twitter, Brands and Social Media Marketing - US News
RagnarDanneskjol: 'Relationships Are the New Currency'
xmj: yawn
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever.
pankkake: works in politics
xmj: >smart person
xmj: >politics
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought it was amusing, being one who has never took part in in social medias. I thought it relevant in the context of wot
RagnarDanneskjol: taken part
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5000 @ 0.00087555 = 4.3778 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01202189 = 0.6852 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 501 @ 0.00252203 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.273 = 1.092 BTC [+]
xmj: fluffypony: Hey
xmj: fluffypony: check http://bettingblocks.com/
assbot: Betting Blocks Bitcoin Game - Who will mine the next block in the blockchain?
fluffypony: *clicks*
xmj: fluffypony: that's the bitcoin block betting site i mentioned
xmj: fluffypony: they're silent live, figured you might like that
xmj: (the betting part, heh)
fluffypony: v. cool
xmj: so.
xmj: question.
xmj: How much do I get away with, setting a retainer for sysadmin services?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00083746 = 12.3107 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "who' s the commisioner? Andreas A or mark kaperles? both would be great. if it can be autographed and laminated, i'll get one."
nubbins`: facepalm
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you get our email?
nubbins`: yeah, i replied w/ a time-sensitive invoice :)
nubbins`: btc price guaranteed til aug 31
thestringpuller: one second
thestringpuller: did you reply to all?
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: boo i have to wait until designer wakes up
thestringpuller: stupid children and not having to wake up early
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> fatter - works. /// taller while laying down :)
ThickAsThieves: <+xmj> RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. /// why is it one or the other? Both are necessary qualities.
ThickAsThieves: But i'm certainly not listening to some Social Media Marketer rediscover what he threw away
xmj: ThickAsThieves: it's not.
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there's a certain kind of person who will tell you that it is, and it is about connections.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00083763 = 7.078 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2535 @ 0.00083746 = 2.123 BTC [-]
chetty: I suppose the wot is a kind of 'known connections'
ThickAsThieves: it's linkedin without the nonsense
xmj: hm
xmj: fluffypony: think i can get away with charging people EUR 300 as retainer if they want "pure pay as you go" ?
fluffypony: how many hours does that buy them?
xmj: e.g. as "fee for access"
fluffypony: that's steep if it doesn't buy them anything
fluffypony: unless it's 24/7 on call
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> it's linkedin without the nonsense//++
jborkl: ;;getrating ben_vulpes
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
jborkl: ;;getrust ben_vulpes
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
jborkl: ;;gettrust ben_vulpes
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jborkl_ to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jborkl_&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: !up eightyeight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00083763 = 14.2397 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: crazy eightyeight
eightyeight: how long does each '!up' last? 30 minutes each, or is there an exponential scale, with some sort of max?
eightyeight: looking through the wiki currently
chetty: 30 minutes until you can do it yourself, then its permanent
eightyeight: so, i need to issue '!up' on myself then?
xmj: once verified through gpg
eightyeight: !up eightyeight
eightyeight: ?
kakobrekla: he is authed, just doesnt have a rating
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2482 @ 0.00083814 = 2.0803 BTC [-] {20}
kakobrekla: <assbot> eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: ;;rate eightyeight 1 solely for the purpose of #b-a voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
kakobrekla: easy come easy go.
jborkl: kakobrekla, you seeded or donated to start van-ads?
jborkl: with mircea
kakobrekla: not that i would know about it
jborkl: i misread then
jborkl: so mircea seeded it?
kakobrekla: well he runs trilema ads gor if that is what you mean, other than that - ask ben
kakobrekla: s/gor/or
xmj: kakobrekla: hey ;)
kakobrekla: hi there
kakobrekla just woke up
kakobrekla: how is ljubljana treting you
kakobrekla: eightyeight it takes some time for changes to get reflected (15min ?)
eightyeight: ok
eightyeight: i was referred here by danielpbarron. so, checking it out. :)
kakobrekla: oh god!
kakobrekla: ::unrate eightyeight
eightyeight: my keysigning policy, which i'm looking at ammending: https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
assbot: Aaron Toponce : PGP Keysigning Policy
eightyeight: current web of trust: http://aarontoponce.org/pubring.gif
eightyeight: :)
eightyeight: i also wrote https://github.com/atoponce/d-note and https://github.com/atoponce/keyart (which is is signing-party >= 1.1.8-1 on debian/ubuntu)
assbot: atoponce/d-note GitHub
assbot: atoponce/keyart GitHub
eightyeight: <- crypto nerd
eightyeight: anyway
kakobrekla: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58649525 BTC to 15`045 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 11.00538516 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 957 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20316 @ 0.00083716 = 17.0077 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: double voice
punkman: usagi: But NXT is going to kill BTC, I'm staking my stake on it
TheNewDeal: the bird strikes again!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.65, Best ask: 514.28, Bid-ask spread: 1.63000, Last trade: 514.29, 24 hour volume: 7894.78317093, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.496769024
Apocalyptic: punkman, are you serious ?
Apocalyptic: nvm
punkman: http://boingboing.net/2014/08/26/how-games-lazy-storytelling.html
assbot: How games' lazy storytelling uses rape and violence against women as wallpaper - Boing Boing
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there is good american beer, but it's rare
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: i always suspected you could turn american beer into something like proper beer with a 'rotovap'
TheNewDeal: I think that would be a way to turn shitty american beer into mediocre beer
TheNewDeal: which is the majority of american beer, shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00251705 = 0.5034 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 601 @ 0.002512 = 1.5097 BTC [-]
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-advertising-network-van-ads-com-open-beta/
punkman: !up no_imagination
no_imagination: thanks punkman
punkman: hai
no_imagination: seems pretty quiet. is there a time when this board is usually more active?
nubbins`: depends on the day
jborkl: 4-5 hours from now
jborkl: or depends on the day as nubbins said
kakobrekla: read the logs in the meantime
no_imagination: will do
no_imagination: is everything logged?
kakobrekla: aaand action!
Apocalyptic: yes it is
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes well, what's that do you know ?
mircea_popescu: ;;topic
gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: no_imagination see the log one.
no_imagination: ty
mircea_popescu: join/parts are not logged.
ben_vulpes: lol jborkl graduated van to beta
ben_vulpes: thanks boss
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, it hasnt been haxxed so far rite ?
mircea_popescu: two weeks, qualifies.
ben_vulpes has not run with the money
ben_vulpes: /me, for the record, doesn't even hold the money
ben_vulpes , for the record, doesn't even hold the money
mircea_popescu: and to start things up on the right leg : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svvCj4yhYc
assbot: Flappers - The Roaring Twenties - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores" << you can do better than that.
mircea_popescu: that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable.
asciilifeform: wait BingoBoingo escaped ?
mircea_popescu: jailbird can dream, cannit ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: what, you jelly ?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform dreams. of mobile oppression palace. http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace
assbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00083649 = 12.5474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: alabama sucks huh.
mircea_popescu: Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth.
mircea_popescu: lmao yeah, that's totally how it works. lmao.
asciilifeform can't attest how much alabama sucks, hasn't been to it
mircea_popescu: who writes this crap.
mircea_popescu: (it was a pun. mobile, alabama)
asciilifeform: lol
chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735354/Obama-sidestep-Congress-signing-international-climate-change-agreement-leaked-United-Nations-report-reveals-severe-irreversible-impacts-global-warming.html
assbot: President Barack Obama to sidestep Congress with international emissions agreement | Mail Online
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: what's congress even for ?
mircea_popescu: i forget.
chetty: to collect salaries and bribes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo also, it's in hipsterlandia.
mircea_popescu: all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever been to brooklyn, ny ?
mircea_popescu: yes/
asciilifeform: where all the sorriest soviet escapees re-created their zoo
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: funny how that shit works, huh.
mircea_popescu: at some point the italians were working to recreate palermo there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51406 @ 0.00084012 = 43.1872 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: if you're stuck in a zoolag it's one thing; if you escape and then re-build it, that's voluntary.
mircea_popescu: path of least resistence.
mircea_popescu: you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium
asciilifeform: 'paris eats couscous'
mircea_popescu: the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly
mircea_popescu: than of the original vision of the stalin in question.
mircea_popescu: consequently, of course they'll fucking recreate it.
asciilifeform once thought this was known to everyone
mircea_popescu: well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D
mircea_popescu: Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?"
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
mircea_popescu: "Get Paid to PARTY!!!! (CABA)"
mircea_popescu: lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!"
mircea_popescu: . Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world.
mircea_popescu: this is what ppls gotta do to earn their bread.
danielpbarron: ;;rate eightyeight 1 https://twitter.com/AaronToponce
assbot: Aaron Toponce (AaronToponce) auf Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that.
mircea_popescu: poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? <<< ahahha this made my lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> jailbird can dream, cannit ? << This
BingoBoingo: Dreams of cigarette powered balloons and homemade zepplins
mircea_popescu: you gotta stop hussling poor innocent ppls tho. ragnar fellow is an actual recruiter, wtf do you want to do as a librarian.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: jailbird dream << http://www.wysotsky.com/1033.htm?1130
BingoBoingo: Eh make enough to escape. Have a second career as a party herder.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what professions does he seek ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to himself in the log, any ?
asciilifeform: but not librarians ?
mircea_popescu: well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would hire a librarian.
asciilifeform: ... a library.
TheNewDeal: touche
mircea_popescu: no, actually, it wouldn't.
TheNewDeal: who would NOT hire a librarian!?
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8557922#msg8557922
assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
asciilifeform: true, they'll get a starving chemist etc
mircea_popescu: aha.
nubbins`: ^ cavirtex / havelock shenanigans
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no, actually, it wouldn't. << Surprisingly true
mircea_popescu: and this even if we don't go all b-a and consider a hire only something that comes with stock options.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd they do this time ?
nubbins`: trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: ALL THIS TIME!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist?
nubbins`: srsly, if you accept the buyout, ithey retroactively declare you were never a shareholder
asciilifeform: or was that vulpes
mircea_popescu: "I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook.
mircea_popescu: There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook."
mircea_popescu: BUT USABILITY!
nubbins`: or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster...
mircea_popescu: where is the meanie guy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? << believe that was vulpes
mircea_popescu: i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist
mircea_popescu: "Should you exercise your right of rescission"
mircea_popescu: say wut ?!
mircea_popescu: wasn't this thing candian ?
mircea_popescu: rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing.
mircea_popescu: (it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00084012 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068641 / 0.00072516 / 0.00084059 (554647 shares, 402.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065571 / 0.00084059 (4461623 shares, 2,925.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076053 / 0.00094217 (18270307 shares, 13,895.25 BTC)
mircea_popescu: o wait we're back ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.74, Best ask: 513.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 513.67, 24 hour volume: 7638.24866748, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.423336699
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ?
asciilifeform: which guy ?
mircea_popescu: vysotsky
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform more or less buys the traditional version
mircea_popescu: which one
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: od
TheNewDeal: eww
asciilifeform: afaik he died of a typical od - took customary dose of opium after quitting for a spell
mircea_popescu: a. yeah.
TheNewDeal: brother put cocoa in the coffee. is this a thing?
mircea_popescu: yes. among sluts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00084455 = 22.7437 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ask him if he's turning twink nao.
TheNewDeal: ;;ud twink
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at ...
TheNewDeal: tastes very bitter
TheNewDeal: and i normally enjoy bitter coffee
thestringpuller: ;;calc 8500/25
gribble: 340
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: vysotsky << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NOsBxTpDs >> about the fellow who did own appendix
assbot: - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> !up RagnarsBitch
TheNewDeal: question on bad or good bet - "All volatility bets resolve no"
TheNewDeal: September, October, and 2014
mircea_popescu: doubt it'll pass
TheNewDeal: even with 0conf on yes?
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it's open ended.
mircea_popescu: someone bets, makes a special volatility bet right after, wins.
BingoBoingo: Maybe if you specify which volatility bets in advance
TheNewDeal: that's what I was saying. September, October, 2014
mircea_popescu: which are those ?
TheNewDeal: could even link to them
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/986/bitcoin-volatility-2014-over-800/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility 2014 over $800 :: 0.55 B (55%) on Yes, 0.45 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 58`103 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/985/bitcoin-volatility-october-over-300/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility October over $300 :: 0.15 B (46%) on Yes, 0.18 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 42`268 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/984/bitcoin-volatility-september-over-250/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin volatility September over $250 :: 0.21 B (37%) on Yes, 0.36 B (63%) on No | closing in 1 week 2 days | weight: 14`417 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: the only ones which exist right now, not considering the August
mircea_popescu: aha. well... mebbe ? give it a shot see.
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140827065755
assbot: Heads Up: Nginx Removed From Base
mircea_popescu: "On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago."
mircea_popescu: dude...
chetty: now they just shoot
asciilifeform: i suppose not everyone could afford the 'chicago typewriter'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo odd.
BingoBoingo: Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well
TheNewDeal: !up shovel_boss
shovel_boss: hello mates
shovel_boss: just want to say
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works.
shovel_boss: the system you have here
shovel_boss: with the !up
shovel_boss: is retarded
shovel_boss: it should burn in hell
shovel_boss: thanks
TheNewDeal: he has moved beyond ass & tities
TheNewDeal: it's amazing
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.06, Best ask: 514.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.94000, Last trade: 513.0, 24 hour volume: 7425.93327263, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.413574198
Apocalyptic: heh, from the guy who posts <shovel_boss> [09:13:29] https://twitter.com/shovel_boss/status/504525210222358529
assbot: /hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment
mircea_popescu: o.O
Apocalyptic: <TheNewDeal> he has moved beyond ass & tities // he's now pumping some scamcoins yeah
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss srsly, altcoin scams ? get a job eh.
TheNewDeal: $15k investment. we'kk be rich
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, i dont do scams
shovel_boss: i dont buy the coins i do TA on
shovel_boss: and its pretty obvious what i buy
TheNewDeal: shovels...
shovel_boss: i do TA for free and its mediocre
shovel_boss: works +50%
mircea_popescu: "There will be an upcoming $15k invesment"
mircea_popescu: that's not "ta".
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, look at the volume
shovel_boss: there WAS a 15k investment
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point.
shovel_boss: i go insider info on that one
mircea_popescu: so it's not that "you do ta".
shovel_boss: yes i do
shovel_boss: i rarely reject to do a TA
shovel_boss: i do it for anyone and everyone
mircea_popescu: that's also besides the point.
shovel_boss: im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use
Apocalyptic: mircea, you're speaking to a wall
shovel_boss: esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom
shovel_boss: analytics is real, there are people actually getting paid to do this in the real world
shovel_boss: analysis*
mircea_popescu: said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone."
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, unlike that guy i do it for free
shovel_boss: also you mentioned it was a vanity chan
dignork: shovel_boss | i go insider info on that one <<< mental note to myself, do not share any info
shovel_boss: i renamed it
shovel_boss: i listen to the comunity
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss none of these are cogent points you know.
TheNewDeal: !up usagi
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog
shovel_boss: to keep track of it
usagi: lol
mircea_popescu: !down TheNewDeal
shovel_boss: i dont do it for pump and dump
shovel_boss: how can i pump and dump 4 coins each day?
shovel_boss: have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts?
shovel_boss: some of them are weeks
mircea_popescu: shovel_boss so you do 4 a day for weeks each, this is no counter.
shovel_boss: mircea_popescu, tell me why what i do is bad
shovel_boss: i already stopped posting my ad here cause i know you will bash it
shovel_boss: looks like youre jealous or something?
mircea_popescu: sigh.
shovel_boss: i dont see how my chan is different than this
mircea_popescu: !down shovel_boss
TheNewDeal: there will be no !bashing here
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> or was that vulpes << don't know that i ever achieved the kind of skills that an actual machinist can lay claim to, but i've operated the whole standard library in production settings.
mircea_popescu: "The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco
mircea_popescu: hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems."
mircea_popescu: this counts as science now.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist << also blew some stuff up, also built some "rockets", also designed some components for rockets.
mircea_popescu: shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recently acquired a full set of jungle-grade machine tools, but am no more a machinist than were i to buy violin, would be violinist
TheNewDeal: just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but i like to think that i could earn my bread shaving metal one day, if it comes to this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment
mircea_popescu: so i'd say by prevailing marketplace standards you ARE a violinist.
asciilifeform: boeing pilots don't typically own the boeing
asciilifeform: LOL
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how jungle?
ben_vulpes: cnc?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hand-cranked 'sherlines'
ben_vulpes: nice.
ben_vulpes: oh man
asciilifeform: in terms of cnc, only a small 2d laser
asciilifeform: (had it for a while)
ben_vulpes: best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work << you can prolly legally change your name to say Pan K. Kake
ben_vulpes: all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it"
ben_vulpes: no consideration of programming costs or tooling complexities or anything.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: with simple tools, one can theoretically make everything (with possible exception of lead screws) for nicer set
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!'
mircea_popescu: this self-upgrading thing is fascinating eh asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: zero radius corners
ben_vulpes: mhm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: self-upgrading << the expensive tools - weren't dropped to earth by the gods
ben_vulpes: some things are going to be hard no matter what
ben_vulpes: the races, for example :D
mircea_popescu: really makes the point that there's no "can't", just "won't".
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm personally interested in (long term) genuinely weird things
asciilifeform: like machines with no lead screws or rails in the ordinary sense
TheNewDeal: ballscrews can get nasty
ben_vulpes: ballscrews are rad
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
ben_vulpes: i do recall
ben_vulpes: that is weird as fuck
ben_vulpes: but expected
asciilifeform: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801776 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2014 01:47:41; asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.
ben_vulpes: my only experience with that sort of stuff is echoes in wafer probe signal lines
ben_vulpes: man
ben_vulpes: that was a complex bit of hardware
asciilifeform: no need for exotica. ever forget to plug in a 'scsi' terminator ?
ben_vulpes: lol have i ever touched a 'scsi' anything
asciilifeform: echo on impedance mismatch - basic physic
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aren't you a Mac person, what useful non-scsi thing plugs into a real Mac?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm a nix hacker, i use a mac 'cause its chassis is aluminum
ben_vulpes: SLANDER
asciilifeform also owns a mac 'air' for this reason. haven't popped it in a while, even possible that it welded shut
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONz6S48QgEk#t=126 << found it
assbot: How It's Made Ball Bearings - YouTube
ben_vulpes: the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too
asciilifeform: more junkyard archaeology than forgin
asciilifeform: g
ben_vulpes: milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pardon?
TheNewDeal: pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices"
ben_vulpes: dumb shit like that's why i mute fab videos
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: fucking usability freaks make evertyhing sound like it's addressed to 12 yos.
mircea_popescu: obnoxious, maleducated 12 yos.
BingoBoingo: Intiendo un poco
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what cannot be made (e.g. i've presently no forge) must be unearthed and reshaped.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible?
mircea_popescu: to quote pesto, "that ain;t gonna work"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: principles are pretty simple. lotsa force, high rigidity.
asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things.
ben_vulpes: ibeams, hydraulics, maybe some guides...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15422 @ 0.00084108 = 12.9711 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set
asciilifeform: cracked the shitter ?
mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows i never shat out any of this.
mircea_popescu: http://jocuridincopilarie.ro/imagini/jocuri-de-interior/jocuri-pe-tabla-de-joc/sah-chinezesc.jpg << the set in question
ben_vulpes: hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business?
asciilifeform: i suspect we'll all have some amazing mechanical surprises when self-appendectomy time
mircea_popescu: tell me how could one not eat those ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: magnet company << 'bucky-balls'
asciilifeform owns a pre-ban set
ben_vulpes: don't let it staple your intestines together...
mircea_popescu: yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.
asciilifeform: just don't eat 2+.
asciilifeform: what do american children play with instead of bearing ball. and do i even want to know.
jurov: URGENT: Seeking child-size degaussing machine
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik you can only demagnetize NdFeB by heating to 'curie point'
asciilifeform: ~300 C...
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
jurov: uh
chetty: <mircea_popescu> yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.// well does the world really need (can it stand) little mps
asciilifeform: then again - magnet is small, and will probably reach a momentary 300 if you heat through meat with induction loop
asciilifeform: what's worse for health - pinched gut, or small zap ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cheaper to laparoscopy it away
punkman: derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen."
mircea_popescu: chetty on that subject, socrates is silent.
asciilifeform: 'where there is no laparoscope'
asciilifeform: (apologies to 'paladin press''s 'where there is no doctor')
mircea_popescu: where there is no laparoscope there'd better not be feromagnets.
jurov: there's self-appendectomy
mircea_popescu: punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ?
punkman: o it was in -otc
asciilifeform: i never ate the bearing balls. but these were big. (tank bearings?)
punkman: but yes point taken
asciilifeform: ~1cm
asciilifeform: 2
TheNewDeal: !s usagi bird
assbot: 7 results for 'usagi bird' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usagi+bird
mircea_popescu: The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.
TheNewDeal: obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
mircea_popescu: no data for 2005-2014. what would it be, 750k ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'no-knock' originated with 'but they'll flush the dope'
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: now it's more or less SOP
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it's killed more innocent bystanders than the wars in iraq.
asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
mircea_popescu: Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not
mircea_popescu: only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, people who live in decent places tend to assume the us is similarly a decent place, and readily forget the sort of rogue shithole it actually is.
mircea_popescu: Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested
mircea_popescu: him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
asciilifeform: most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep
mircea_popescu: well, in what sense ?
mircea_popescu: yes, he wasn't a police officer.
asciilifeform: in the sense that wasn't 'office plankton'
chetty: <asciilifeform> most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep// who said they were awake to go back to sleep
asciilifeform: (preferably white, but optional)
mircea_popescu: xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. << i've said it.
mircea_popescu: outside of "whom you know", "what you know" simply reduces to "what you think you know" and nobody got time for that.
asciilifeform: generally, plankton response is 'this fellow couldn't have been a good upstanding plankton'
mircea_popescu: as far as the police state is concerned, nobody else is good anything. just listen to one of the fuckwits go.
asciilifeform: police state is never wholly the polizei themselves, but also all such that 'it would never do, polite society!' for them to drag out in the night
mircea_popescu: take sunil dutta, the convicted felon who still has a death warrant outstanding on his head.
mircea_popescu: "You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you"
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a flying fuck what's on "his mind". what's he supposed to be, the hive overlord or some shit ?
xmj: mircea_popescu: it's binary
asciilifeform: sunil << i suppose not every kid from bombay makes his way to solicitor general of new york
xmj: in that context
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure they don't.
xmj: so, if you don't know no one OR don't know nothing, either won't help you
mircea_popescu: xmj i jus' quoted what you said.
mircea_popescu: not that im proposing ted rubin knows anyone, or is relevant to anything.
mircea_popescu: eightyeight how did you get that gif drawn ?
xmj: then you're missing the context we discussed earlier
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust eightyeight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i have a shell script. i can get it for you. one sec
eightyeight: i think there is actually a bug with it. i just haven't had the chance to look at it actually
mircea_popescu: also i dunno if you know http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=8086060F&TO=2FB7B452&PATHS=Find+Trust+Paths+To+Me
assbot: PGP trust paths : Aaron Toponce -> Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: penning's stuff
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: http://ae7.st/p/6n2
assbot: Pastebin. » 6n2
eightyeight: you need gnupg, imagemagick, and graphviz installed
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: i saw your comment on my blog re: my retort to dr. green on his assesment about pgp
mircea_popescu: got this running on a server anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: o that's right, that was your blog
eightyeight: got what running on a server?
mircea_popescu: that fucktard greene ffs.
mircea_popescu: the script in question.
eightyeight: i just run it locally when i get new signatures or when i sign new keys
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway...
eightyeight: depending on the size of your web of trust, it could take a few minutes
eightyeight: and, like i said, it has a bug that was brought to my attention. i just haven't addressed it. maybe i can get to that tonight
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot eightyeight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rate eightyeight 1 linux gnu guy..
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.
eightyeight: sweet. thx. :)
eightyeight: danielpbarron: thx also. :)
BingoBoingo: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312
assbot: Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun
mircea_popescu: ahahahha al sharpton ?!
mircea_popescu: chetty check that shit out.
BingoBoingo: Yup, Sharpton's a stoolie
eightyeight: mircea_popescu: oh, you also need 'signing-party' installedfor sig2dot(1)
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla>aaand action! << lmao smartass :D
mircea_popescu: "As Sarkeesian points out, you may get a mission to hunt down a brutal pimp, but you'll never get a mission to get the hooker he's just beaten to a pulp to the hospital, nor do you unlock achievements by visiting her at a shelter or helping her get re-established elsewhere. These women exist solely to be victimized, so that you can murder the bad guys without any scruple."
mircea_popescu: holy shit what sort of bullshit is this. who wants a MISSION to take battered sluts to the er.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather do my own laundry.
chetty: <assbot> Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun// uh, what was ever secret about that?
mircea_popescu: well he denied it all these years.
mircea_popescu: "Over the years I have told a number of friends that, if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade, there would be a huge crater in upstate New York centered on what used to be West Seneca Junior High School.
mircea_popescu: Had Orson Scott Card’s novel Ender’s Game existed then, I might have been one of its biggest fans. I would have been enraptured by the story of the innocent who is persecuted despite his innocence, perhaps even because of it. The superior child whose virtues are not recognized. The adults who fail to protect. The vicious bullies who get away with their bullying. That was the world as I saw it in seventh grade. "
chetty: jajajajaja
mircea_popescu: bah these kids aren't beaten enough.
mircea_popescu: everrrry worthless pencilneck 7yo is "superior" in his own fucktarded brain.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding he sucks at anything and everything. "he's too good for this world"
asciilifeform: where this was dug out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some fucktarded "commentary" on some pulp sf thing. http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm
assbot: Creating the Innocent Killer
asciilifeform: 'if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade' << obligatory >> http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0232.txt
mircea_popescu: "if i wasn't a snot-nosed worthjless sack of shit back when i was a snot-nosed worthless sack of shit"
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu: CUT!
mircea_popescu: "When passing the ball, you throw gently, so as the other person can
mircea_popescu: catch it. On the other hand, when passing to Fred, you try to break his nose!"
BingoBoingo: That's ok, because Fred's parents were cockolds and his bull was the NBA star. Fred insists on this treatment to prepare him for handling harried sloppy passes in games that mattter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084456 = 14.3575 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ud pastie white girl
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pasties | pasty. A person with white skin. Not just white, like paper. But whiter! VERY WHITE ... Girl: OMG WHAT IS THAT GLOWING IN THE HALLWAY??? Girl 2: Thats ...
BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/27/1921249/dot-proposes-mandating-vehicle-to-vehicle-communications
assbot: DoT Proposes Mandating Vehicle-To-Vehicle Communications - Slashdot
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway... << like i ain't got enough to do with van already
ben_vulpes: but yeah not a bad thing
kakobrekla: srecno
kakobrekla: ctrl -z
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00084456 = 20.6917 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52188 @ 0.0008429 = 43.9893 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/18/2338243/news-aggregator-fark-adds-misogyny-ban << linked from above
assbot: News Aggregator Fark Adds Misogyny Ban - Slashdot
asciilifeform: and, better yet, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1441200/33-months-in-prison-for-recording-a-movie-in-a-theater
assbot: 33 Months In Prison For Recording a Movie In a Theater - Slashdot
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, and to anyone interested, a 30day high, low, volume and vwap is available at https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker_ext
BingoBoingo: Cool, thanks Apocalyptic
cazalla: missed the ball bearing talk but my old man was a fitter n turner, use to bring me home "marbles" the size of a tennis ball to take to school, many tears over smashed marbles
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.01, Best ask: 518.75, Bid-ask spread: 2.74000, Last trade: 518.86, 24 hour volume: 7090.67615405, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 516.076766915
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 259052.14 in 1662 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -86.21
mod6: just about to add in the '%vwap' command here in a few minutes.
BingoBoingo: Sweet
mod6: ok time for an opinion
mod6: < BitOTTer1> [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 2M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198 << 30d-vol is actually 1.72 M, but seems to be rounding to 2M, should i just print full amount, or 1720k?
assbot: devthedev +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Apocalyptic: !up devthedev
devthedev: How's everyone doing?
devthedev: Thanks Apocalyptic
BingoBoingo: Not bad
ben_vulpes: devthedev: who're you?
devthedev: Hey BingoBoingo (:
BingoBoingo: mod6: 1720k seems most reasonable
mod6: yea, im gonna try to fix that too, the rounding isn't even close.
mod6: just a moment
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: He's a kid who hangs around the forum and some other places, seems mostly harmless
ben_vulpes: sounds exactly like me then
devthedev: Nice to meet you Ben.
ben_vulpes: yourself as well
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust devthedev
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask devthedev!~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
jurov: what you're the dev for?
devthedev: Nothing at the moment.
jurov: and otherwise?
devthedev: I do some web development.
devthedev: I've had to give it a break because school just started back up :/
ben_vulpes: what tools?
devthedev: I'm not sure I understand the questions
devthedev: question*
jurov: what you develop in
BingoBoingo: devthedev: can you auth with gribble?
devthedev: I thought I had
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident devthedev
gribble: Nick 'devthedev', with hostmask 'devthedev!~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev', is identified as user 'devthedev', with GPG key id 84E2D89445C1BEA5, key fingerprint 57AD057E646B305C8D6ECBF036C0C43082715843, and bitcoin address 1GUsEgNhMUq1tAAje63SpHp5bLHdz12mdY
ben_vulpes: php?
BingoBoingo: Cool, I guess gribble blinked on me
ben_vulpes: javascript?
ben_vulpes: COBOL?
devthedev: Negative, I'm just starting to dig into PHP and JS. I mainly just do HTML/CSS.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate devthedev 1 kid, seems harmless
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user devthedev has been recorded.
jurov: on unrelated note, i today kinda understood haskell monads
jurov: and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6212 @ 0.00084274 = 5.2351 BTC [-]
jurov: also i have some suspicion why it was chosen to prototype perl6
mod6: %vwap
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1721k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
BingoBoingo: Beautiful
mod6: ok, it'll have to be like that for now, will work on that volume rounding part.
dub: 1721killasatoshi?
dub: dafuq
jurov: Apocalyptic pls switch to libraries of congress
jurov: or whatever #b-a stamdard like double cherry truckful of coins
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
mike_c: TheNewDeal: indeed, the site knew I was on vacation and has been throwing a tantrum. My apologies. I beat it appropriately and it is back on track.
mike_c: thx bingo
TheNewDeal: thank you sir, much appreciated
mike_c: Another recent fuck you from Armory: The latest version creates incompatible tx's with old versions.. So you can't use the new version online to create a tx for an older version serving as an offline cold wallet.
mike_c: they are really managing to screw up a decent wallet.
Apocalyptic: jurov, lulwhat ?
jurov: i'm referring to 30d-Vol: 1721k
Apocalyptic: if you're refering to the format of that number, that's mod6's bot :)
jurov: sry
mod6: fixed it... one sec.
mod6: jeeeze
Apocalyptic: np
mod6: %vwap
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mod6: better? :P
mod6: bueller?
jurov: hah hah
TheNewDeal: ;;seen bueller
gribble: I have not seen bueller.
ben_vulpes: <jurov> and no, i won't blog it, it was underwhelming in the end << my experience with haskell writ large
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 30d-Vol: 1.72M 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 198
mod6 drops the mic
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 514.31
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (ticker --last)*2.09*1.07*
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
TheNewDeal: hows that work
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (ticker --last)*2.09*1.07
gribble: Error: 'ticker' is not a defined function.
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
TomServo: ;;calc [ticker --last]*2.09*1.07
gribble: 1150.598713
TheNewDeal: there we go
BingoBoingo: !up redfder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 78 @ 0.01186496 = 0.9255 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34139 @ 0.00084219 = 28.7515 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31611 @ 0.00084672 = 26.7657 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00084348 = 15.0983 BTC [-]