mircea_popescu: JorgePasada maybe read all the disparate stuff, publish a digest.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah I'm just trying to learn. Found a couple good things via hacker news.
JorgePasada: Tor sucks though, you almost have to assume either your entrance or exit node (or worse, both) are compromised these days.
cazalla: scoopbot, wru
mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs
assbot: MONSTER Energy drinks are the work of SATAN!!! - YouTube
ben_vulpes: how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << last year "everybody" knew better.
assbot: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not dumb at all.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl yeah listen, this 50% uptime business is for the dogs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you actually have the blockchain by very far the best way to do this is stage a local environment and feed the experimental instance through some sort of loopback
ben_vulpes: indeed.
mircea_popescu: you saying you don't have it ?
ben_vulpes: i've one sitting on this os x machine.
ben_vulpes: i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around.
ben_vulpes: *to find our conversation*
ben_vulpes: basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time
mircea_popescu: well it's worth the time in the sense that not having the 30gb in question wherever your favourite staging environment is is a major handicap.
mircea_popescu: if you prefer working locally then not worth it. if you generally use that machine/dc, then worth it.
ben_vulpes: right, totally on the same page there.
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as it's the blockchain it will HAVE To work. or bust.
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/sharpshooter/
assbot: Sharpshooter
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055831 / 0.00056471 / 0.00058756 (828982 shares, 468.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00055831 / 0.00067039 / 0.00076965 (3873559 shares, 2,596.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00055831 / 0.00073576 / 0.00081111 (23823364 shares, 17,528.32 BTC)
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00056708 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hgmm, was the last oglaf drawn by an intern ?
mircea_popescu: drunk trudy ? 5 minute sketch ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00064573 = 17.62 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols << 'strip bitcoind' >> solved
asciilifeform: whoever wants to add this as a patch - can
asciilifeform: has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 << 0.8, yes
danielpbarron: i've got an up-to-date chain on 0.7.2
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: entropy key << gadget was discussed here many times. appears to be permanently unavailable (and closed-source.)
asciilifeform: tor compromise through filled circuit ddos << this is a 'classic', described in academic papers. and i can say for a fact that the 'machine' is still turned on. just last night had a tor client fail to form a circuit, for the first time in many years of semi-regular use.
asciilifeform uses tor for non-critical applications
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/zSaUuKQ.gif
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/pizza-hut-computers-used-to-mine-bitcoin-in-2013/
asciilifeform: pizza hut << this distinguishes it from every other cattle farm where the cattle get to use computers, precisely how?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mike_c> quite the empire brewing.
mike_c: i'm around
mircea_popescu: ah nice.
mircea_popescu: i luv the summoning capabilities of teh log.
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
cazalla: asciilifeform, sunday is a slow day, whaddaya want from me?
cazalla: i mean, why spend $20-$30 on a pizza when you can get one from pizza hut on tight ass tuesday for $3.95!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00064657 = 9.5285 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: pizza hut << incidentally, if you tally up an upper bound for how much could have been mined ('up to 60 stores', let's say a few machines in each) - it ought to have sufficed for... a couple of pizzas.
asciilifeform: non-asic mining is 'dead as dodo', and certainly was in 2013.
asciilifeform: at least, most of it
ben_vulpes: every hash is sacred
asciilifeform: every hash is needed, in your neighbourhood!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00064966 = 6.3667 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00064995 = 20.051 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00065206 = 12.3507 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up Cryptocus
Vexual: I'm trying to get my head around this taxation stuff
ben_vulpes: speak further on thy confusion, Vexual
Vexual: well it's internet powered to be sure
Vexual: so, I'm porndering the notion "Bitcoin realised"
Vexual: I suppose there are no other qualifiers on purpose
Vexual: oh it's good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064966 = 12.1162 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown
assbot: reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: bitcoin realized means more or less "profit"
Vexual: Yeah, forever profits?
ben_vulpes: whaddaya mean "forever"?
Vexual: since forever
Vexual: 2009
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+]
Vexual: or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim
ben_vulpes: well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large
Vexual: yes i see
cazalla: "If bitcoin were allowed to co-­‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability."
cazalla: hoarding usd, nice one
Vexual: i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it
Vexual: cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets
Vexual: it's in gq
BingoBoingo: !Up RetroUPriser
RetroUPriser: How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess,
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Things are going
ben_vulpes: RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight.
RetroUPriser: I've played him before
RetroUPriser: and that seems like the typical answer
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/professor-bitcorn-talks-top-ten-risks-associated-with-bitcoin/
cazalla: ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago
mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122233688968 < ok who was the smartass ?
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> hoarding usd, nice one << such lmao.
mircea_popescu: "let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!"
decimation: ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks
decimation: hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be
decimation: "Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk'
decimation: the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally
ben_vulpes: well that was odd.
decimation: kicked?
ben_vulpes: remote emacs client straight up died.
BingoBoingo: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/17439/bitcoin-we-are-all-the-blockchain/ written by this guy http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html
ben_vulpes: "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level
ben_vulpes: actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00064966 = 8.7704 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00065096 = 3.4826 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are all these derps lmao.
mircea_popescu: seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.0006511 = 13.985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00065239 = 5.4938 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00065239 = 12.2649 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5346 @ 0.00065017 = 3.4758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00065017 = 1.1775 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00064794 = 7.7429 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064775 = 12.0805 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00064775 = 1.1394 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00064775 = 2.6234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00064725 = 8.3172 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00064687 = 4.9162 BTC [-]
TomServo: Ahoy
TomServo: http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/joepa-gets-his-wins-back/ <- bet text says 'before 2105' instead of 2015.
assbot: BitBet - JoePA gets his wins back :: 0.06 B (46%) on Yes, 0.07 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 weeks | weight: 96`366 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17972 @ 0.00064793 = 11.6446 BTC [+]
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/national-bank-of-ukraine-bitcoin-not-to-be-used-for-payments/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13592 @ 0.00064745 = 8.8001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16008 @ 0.00064884 = 10.3866 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/11/mrsa-2/
assbot: Devious MRSA Spider Bites Yet Another Antecubital Fossa; Remains at Large | GomerBlog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26313 @ 0.00064687 = 17.0211 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6009519&cid=48350225
assbot: Espionage Campaign Targets Corporate Executives Traveling Abroad - Slashdot
rithm: http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=8120
assbot: OVH Tasks  
rithm: poor ovh
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/florida-man-arrested-for-online-drug-trading/
BingoBoingo: https://ihb.io/2014-11-09/news/official-coindesk-longer-voice-digital-currency-2-13449
assbot: Coindesk is no longer the Voice of Currency • IHB News™
davout: rithm: stay away from ovh...
rithm: i do!
davout: if ebola could propagate to servers, it'd probably start at ovh
rithm: ovh is like the parody host
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00064687 = 3.8165 BTC [-]
jurov: WTF "I love bitcoin for reasons that Amir Taaki, Adam Back, Peter Todd and Mike Hearn love it."
thestringpuller: is that a real post jurov ?
jurov: it's from ihb.io above
undata: what a sprawling mess of an article
jurov: "Dear Ben Lawsky, you are going after the wrong people. Mining operations can be used to launder huge amounts of money."
jurov: kek
thestringpuller: yes. mining operations are owned by the mob.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bulgarian-snas-release-on-operation-onymous/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00064602 = 7.6385 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say
mircea_popescu: !s taleb
assbot: 139 results for 'taleb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=taleb
saifedean: ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes
saifedean: thanks for that
mircea_popescu: ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#748585 << this is the delivery of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746817☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 23:30:49; sexysaffron: I have a video delivery!
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something
saifedean: lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before...
mircea_popescu: ah ok then
saifedean: compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share
mircea_popescu: yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly.
mircea_popescu: or at least, that was my case, in 2011
saifedean: is that when you first started on the righteous path?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: ;;google noob mp or how it all begun
gribble: "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: <http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?753005-quot-At-civilization-s-end-quot-an-MP-Megacampaign/page2>; Wargame Talk #15: Modding Has Begun and Clash of the Clans 3 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuaLSMTKDiw>; Battlefield 4: Official Multiplayer Launch Trailer - YouTube: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jesus google...
mircea_popescu: saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ?
TomServo: http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/
assbot: Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
saifedean: may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age?
mircea_popescu: i was retired.
mircea_popescu: !up Tykling
mircea_popescu: getting slowly bored to death in costa rica.
saifedean: i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you
mircea_popescu: myeah.
saifedean: very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement
mircea_popescu: retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
assbot: NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years.
saifedean: it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass
thestringpuller: anyone good with regex?
undata: saifedean: start a business you weenie :p
mircea_popescu: either that or start shooting people.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask.
thestringpuller: i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~
undata: thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/
assbot: RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx
thestringpuller: thanks undata
undata: yw
thestringpuller: found one good example
thestringpuller: Regex, yet another reason I hate strings.
mircea_popescu: o.O
saifedean: undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred
mircea_popescu: now why would you do that ?
thestringpuller: saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol
saifedean: coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career
thestringpuller: !up saifedean
undata: I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing
chetty: yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00064489 = 7.1905 BTC [-] {2}
undata: it's just some meme
mircea_popescu: saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay.
mircea_popescu: the problem is this doesn't scale.
saifedean: because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money
saifedean: why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave
chetty: wolverine
saifedean: if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy
chetty: sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out"
saifedean: the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with.
mircea_popescu: this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head)
mircea_popescu: it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution.
ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/
assbot: BTC2MySQL
ben_vulpes: interdasting tool
saifedean: i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation
ben_vulpes: have not derped with yet
ben_vulpes: but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store?
undata: ahemahem sqlite
undata: but #nodeps, right?
saifedean: the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064372 = 2.4461 BTC [-]
undata: saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside
undata: my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there
saifedean: undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job
mircea_popescu: <saifedean> a struggle to secure excellent quality food << can you go into detail ?
saifedean: well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef?
mircea_popescu: they eat a lot of beef in beirut ?
mircea_popescu: you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon.
saifedean: once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution
mircea_popescu: your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks.
mircea_popescu: saifedean have you had an argentine steak ?
saifedean: in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed
mircea_popescu: lamb is splendid absolutely.
mircea_popescu: i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people.
mircea_popescu: ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back
saifedean: my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over
mircea_popescu: ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ?
mircea_popescu: i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm.
saifedean: there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant
mircea_popescu: ha!
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mircea_popescu: !b 2
saifedean: with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right
mircea_popescu: exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference.
mircea_popescu: you ever read about the tin women ?
saifedean: no whats that?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ and also http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Let’s dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
saifedean: my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human
mircea_popescu: its just hysterical how much we agree lol.
saifedean: i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog!
saifedean: the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility...
mircea_popescu: nah, buenos aires.
saifedean: come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle...
mircea_popescu: you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it.
saifedean: they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans
mircea_popescu: im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks.
mircea_popescu: saifedean so you actually been here before ?
saifedean: well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse
saifedean: no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak.
saifedean: bife de chorizo!
mircea_popescu: nah, bife de lomo aniversario.
saifedean: i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know
mircea_popescu: 1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao.
saifedean: ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D
BingoBoingo: From the WTF files http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2321794 << The Javascript
assbot: NODE Second Generation Cryptocurrency With Different Codebase To Bitcoin Launches - Press Release - Digital Journal
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/we-the-people/
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult!
chetty: saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings'
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ?
saifedean: interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin
thestringpuller: saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
undata: saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food
chetty: <<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food
saifedean: well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why?
undata: ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me
undata: the cheese could go too but that's no way to live
saifedean: oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!
joecool: welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle
joecool: ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log
joecool wonders when he joined
joecool: ;;gpg info mircea_popescu
gribble: User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu .
joecool: ;;gpg info joecool
gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
joecool: heh
saifedean: oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00064819 = 12.5425 BTC [+]
undata: saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food.
undata: you want economic security; that's it.
joecool: i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years
joecool: plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc)
saifedean: undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder.
undata: saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away!
undata: I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production.
undata: my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific
undata: it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits
ben_vulpes: nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics
ben_vulpes: automation's overrated
undata: I disagree; humans are overrated.
undata: I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?"
undata: because I want to be left alone to work!
undata: haha
rithm: SWISS money
rithm: comes from automata
rithm: Sent While I Sleep Soundly
saifedean: i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same.
undata: saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master
saifedean: undata: yes, not replace it!
chetty: <saifedean> oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!// the paleo idea makes sense to me, and for sure all those chemical and stuff that passes for food is bad idea, but I really don't see passing on grain entirely.
chetty: !up saifedean
joecool: i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years
saifedean: chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose?
xanthyos: bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot
joecool: saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat
joecool: so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet
chetty: saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?)
joecool: until i figured out what it was
joecool: coffee is fine lol, drink it black
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in
gribble: The operation succeeded.
joecool: if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it
chetty: only way to drink coffee
ben_vulpes: ;;seen diablo-d3
gribble: diablo-d3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Diablo-D3> so it never happened
saifedean: we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw.
ben_vulpes: saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion?
joecool: nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff
undata: wut
undata: joecool: never?
joecool: undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it
saifedean: But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu
chetty: I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway.
joecool: berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00065012 = 9.2642 BTC [+]
undata: joecool: ah nobody needs tons
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
xanthyos: hi
saifedean: if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
thomas_d: hey
chetty: ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P
saifedean: ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it?
ben_vulpes: i have.
xanthyos: what's the link to the wot faq?
joecool: chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100%
joecool: sugar is not a concern there
ben_vulpes: it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap.
ben_vulpes: s/crap/Zodiac
saifedean: dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet
ben_vulpes: dude what is with the endless wordstream
chetty: well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :)
saifedean: yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points!
ben_vulpes: !up lobbes
ben_vulpes: you're welcome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00064819 = 9.2043 BTC [-]
chetty: I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it
ben_vulpes: i did it for a while
ben_vulpes: made me feel funny
lobbes: <+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds??
ben_vulpes: lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites
ben_vulpes: it's like communism
ben_vulpes: BUT IN YOU
saifedean: http://vernerwheelock.com/?p=327
assbot: 58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views
joecool: cancer really likes fruit :)
lobbes: ahaha
TomServo: ben_vulpes: lol
saifedean: check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar
undata: http://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html this thing?
saifedean: yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html
assbot: The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
xanthyos: !down thomas_d
xanthyos: i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk
ben_vulpes: <saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware
ben_vulpes: "i didn't actually read the source oh noes"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25131 @ 0.00064819 = 16.2897 BTC [-]
saifedean: i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good
Pierre_Rochard: !up saifedean
lobbes: <+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage
assbot: The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg
Apocalyptic: <joecool> cancer really likes fruit :) // cancer likes fructose
Apocalyptic: as any other type of sugar
Pierre_Rochard: saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day
cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
punkman: cazalla: you just need more ddos
cazalla: twozerofive doesn't come around here much now
cazalla: ;;seen twozerofive
gribble: I have not seen twozerofive.
cazalla: ;;seen fivezerotwo
gribble: fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <fivezerotwo> have fun, i'll see you soon :D
cazalla: already forgotten his name
mike_c: 502, get it. bad gateway.
cazalla: did not occur to me
mike_c: it's like l33t speek
cazalla: obvious now that you pointed it out
mike_c: oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point.
mike_c: all the best jokes require explanation.
rithm: his name was robert paulsen
xanthyos: !up bagels7
xanthyos: ;;rate bagels7 1 known online 5 years consistently friendly
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5569 @ 0.00064803 = 3.6089 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: !up bagels7
xanthyos: !up thomas_d
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00064597 = 33.0091 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00064574 = 12.3013 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin.
nubbins`: thestringpuller you know they found your poster?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00064547 = 8.4879 BTC [-]
nubbins`: postage apparently emancipated itself from the package, it'd been sitting in an abandoned mail room awaiting destruction
nubbins`: guy was all "we'll never find it", i described the shape and he was all "o yeah, that one"
nubbins`: anyway. on its way. i guess.
thestringpuller: nubbins`
thestringpuller: no?
thestringpuller: oh cool
BingoBoingo: <saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << What about Chagas, Obola, and Syphillis?
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean