kakobrekla: danielpbarron protip: do no work, do no sin.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i had excellent seafood in caviar sauce.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing really goes with vodka and olives
jurov: are theses sprats cryptographically signed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform similarly there's no substitute for salt pickles
mircea_popescu: can't make deviled eggs without salt pickles fro crying out loud
cazalla: his ass looks like it has labia
mircea_popescu: cazalla mostly because the feminine folds are adaptative rather than aesthetic
mircea_popescu: Bomber with a bomb, off to kill you! If you're not an idiot, you'll shoot it down. Either you do, or it kills you! If it kills you, this brave plane, then he's a brave patriot and you're just as idiotically dead. On the contrary... well... it's a sore plane. Very sore plane. Otherwise, he died a patriot, flying a bomb your way, wanting to kill you. But lucky for you - you weren't an idiot.
cazalla: seems most men prefer little to no labia but given one of the first i saw was a beat to shit jpg from a bbs, i would argue labia certainly have an aesthetic quality about them
mircea_popescu: cazalla a preference of no labia is indicative of the pedo.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> and ftr, stih is directly "verse" in romanian. < same
cazalla: makes me wonder why mr hands didn't opt for a toy like that, must've been the horse itself
cazalla: someone is determined to advertise nike air shoes on qntra
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mod6: can someone take the time to create a document outlining how to submit a patch to said forthcoming mailing list?
mod6: and more-over, all the steps/requirements involved in creating such a patch.
mod6: we should have some sort of sop involved.
mod6: lot of ideas have flown by in here over the last 2+ days, solid ideas that should be documented.
mod6: what is ``jurov's turdatron''?
mod6: oh mailman. that's all you had to say :)
ben_vulpes: mailing list that accepts messages from assbot's l2
kakobrekla: if you need some place for notes, temporarily or not, you can use ba wiki.
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decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code
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mircea_popescu: decimation: ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? I find that there are weird linux dependencies in the irc code << i thought the irc code was out.
decimation: I found that if you s/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/ the thing compiles (using macports g++-mp-4.7)
assbot: Porting MSG_MORE and MSG_NOSIGPIPE to OS X – Noah Watkins
decimation: I think a custom gentoo vm is the way to go
mircea_popescu: here's a funny story : i have a maid here. as maids do, she has decided on a sorting of items in my place and is enforcing it unless one tells her better. which is the great unknown and unsung power of the default.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, im not sure she knows what a shoehorn is,
mircea_popescu: because she's decided it goes IN my very nice marble mortar and pestle.
mircea_popescu: the first time this happened chicks discovert it, i was like ew! and laughed at her. but then i forgot to say anything, so sure enough, next time...
kakobrekla: perhaps one of those silly 'life hacks'
kakobrekla: "you have been drinking milk wrong all your life"
undata: mircea_popescu: she thinks it's to scoop out what's been ground?
kakobrekla: who is suppose to be enjoying this, him or her?
undata: well I guess I wouldn't know, but seems like ouch
mircea_popescu: undata the heel is metallic, but doesn't seem threaded...
undata: I mean, I've never stuck anything up there; could be great
mircea_popescu: undata too late for that, clearly you're into sounding
decimation: arg. it compiles, but doesnt' link on osx without gymnastics
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decimation: asciilifeform: is there a 'port' package for boost?
assbot: The MacPorts Project -- Available Ports
decimation: oh yeah I am using the macports version
decimation: I'm sure compiling that shit from scratch would be a nightmare
assbot: OpenPorts.se | The OpenBSD package collection
decimation: osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars
☟︎☟︎ assbot: 'Darth Vader' goes to polls in Ukraine and wants to turn state into 'galactic empire' - Independent.ie
decimation: this is a healthy development for their democracy, satan's world is on display
decimation: there's also predator and its 2 governors
decimation: I wish that there were an option on the us ballot for "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention"
decimation: kinda like the voter's version of nullification
mircea_popescu: <decimation> osx looks good from the outside, but when you walk into the engine room you find chairs glued to the ceiling and rotating clown cars << ahahhaha
decimation: I guess voting for vermin supreme would be the 'fuck you and the horse you rode in on' vote
mircea_popescu: decimation "I vote against this entire system and an immediate constitutional convention" <<< that's not on the ballot. you can actually convene one. like, right now.
decimation: yeah that's kinda true, except you would have the entire bureaucrat/media/faceless mass against you
decimation: might as well wear a boot on your head and shout at strangers
decimation: mr. yarvin had a post where he hypothesized that if there were a credible alternative to usg it would immediately crumble
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ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: did you manage to compile your package on osx? << not even trying. i set up a virtualized debian toolchain.
decimation: I have it almost compiling except boost is giving me shitty linking errors
decimation: I think asciilifeform is right, better to run on a real os
ben_vulpes: debian and gentoo seem to be the choices.
undata: ben_vulpes: I tried earlier on gentoo; it wanted a different openssl than ssh did, so I gave up.
decimation: yeah that's the rhel bitcoin guy's point
decimation: he has a complete version of openssl that will work with bitcoin, you can download the src.rpm and build for arbitrary unix
ben_vulpes: cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion?
cazalla: ben_vulpes, forgot about that, i'll do it now
mircea_popescu: for that matter, who from conformal was here ? i forget
decimation: every once in awhile I jones for dayZ, anyone here every play it?
ben_vulpes: this "pruned blockchain" notion sounds dangerous.
assbot: Autoprune by rdponticelli Pull Request #4701 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's a lousy fix for a serious problem that "doesn't exist" because logics
decimation: I like how on one had the sky is falling so we need bigger blocks, but on the other hand the sky is falling so we need a smaller blockchain
mircea_popescu: but hey, i know, since we solved the blocksize through autopruning, we can make blocks one trilobyte long!
mircea_popescu: decimation notice the typically usg sort of arguing involved.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's ridoinculous, a five year old can smell the shit, yet supposedly pointing it out is somehow controversial and wildly speculative
ben_vulpes: can't run with a wallet in pruned mode?
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform's orignal "microscope, monkeys" is exceptionally apt, when it comes to "bitcoin scientists"
decimation: well, satoshi's original judgement was that these guys were pigfuckers, see ya later
mircea_popescu: decimation you can imagine his cold cold sweat once he finally figured out who exactly the "enthusiastic early adopters" were.
assbot: Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
decimation: it's enraging that firefox doesn't honor emacs movements
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two typos, and since it was consistent it made me curious :D
decimation: yeah I always liked konqueror becuase it would just open a file as an arg
ben_vulpes: i finally got helm dialed in (and oh my god, i didn't know that emacs could get that much better
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: terminal kill ring, incomplete backwards-kill, os paste holder
ben_vulpes: decimation: are you familiar with ido?
ben_vulpes: fuzzy completion in all of the places in which one'd want it?
assbot: Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
decimation: yeah I use ido now but it's only marginally better than stock
decimation: ido kinda sucks honestly, it's matching is dumb
decimation: huh, thanks for the tip, will look into it
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ben_vulpes: integration with grep, ag, and the kill-ring visualization are pretty fantastic.
decimation: ah, yeah I want kill-ring visualization
ben_vulpes: side note about the 32mb number: andresen claims that as the largest message that can be sent in a single bitcoin p2p message.
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's kind of the intention, but it does not really work
ben_vulpes: as in p2p messages exceed 32mb in practice?
mircea_popescu: as in sometimes they do, more or less impredictably so.
decimation: ben_vulpes: just cause. I find it quite useful, the best personal organizer I have tried
ben_vulpes: decimation: i used it for time tracking before we started using harvest
ben_vulpes: which has got to be the most orwellianly named product out there
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ben_vulpes: (just trolling - all the paupers have to)
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..
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decimation: well to be fair she was just a reviewer
mircea_popescu: one that somehow forgot to come by and say "hey check out the derpage"
mircea_popescu: and if she did say this sucks, i have no way to know. which isn't consistent with the "smart" rating, sadly.
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mircea_popescu: but as a general moral of the thing, one's best be careful to post on their blog trashing idiots like us* or else they risk appearing in victorious tweets like "oh noes, 5 economists reviewed this!!!", which is exactly how the empire works.
ben_vulpes: how would i get the size of an arbitrary block?
decimation: I don't even get how gavin's post is an economic argument
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do messages of less than 32 MB transmit regularly? are you aware of a discernable phase boundary for transmission reliability?
decimation: other than "the network would be more valuable if it did more transactions per second"
mircea_popescu: decimation it IS an economic argument. it goes like so
mircea_popescu: it's just not either brought honestly nor signed by its authors.
decimation: the assertions he makes neglect a large pile of real-world costs
mircea_popescu: they are like the usual assetions of the <del>socialist</del> five year old : they neglect everything except for what he wants.
mircea_popescu: people tend to forget just how self-defeating idiocy is.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah, "anything that isn't bolted down" or how did it go.
decimation: it's interesting that they would go so far as to pay someone to attack sites
mircea_popescu: decimation i very much doubt there's any relation there.
mircea_popescu: one can well piss off different groups of idiots you know.
mircea_popescu: now, sure all the idiots in the end are fed out of the same through
mircea_popescu: so one could argue they're the same group in the end. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should paint foodstamps in different colors
mircea_popescu: but this is evolving towards a rehash of the meta-nsa discussion we've really done to death
mircea_popescu: the islant of smart bureaucrats is like ten miles off the island of the amazons
mircea_popescu: those mythical women that are perpetually hawt and perpetually alone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform considere the case of the farming ants. are the ants intelligent ? no. are the teats of the bugs milked in time ? yes.
decimation: asciilifeform: the concluding question being: in front of which chumpatron's maw do you wish to graze?
decimation: how do you escape the factory and roam free?
mircea_popescu: if you can do that, why stop there ? make round cubes,
decimation: asciilifeform: mancur olson lived somewhere nearby. he pretty much came to the same conclusion
mircea_popescu: but incidentally : i have for the past hour been writing on this piece
mircea_popescu: which i think will be pretty shattery. roughly same topic.
decimation: I like how any book worth reading is now warez
decimation: I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984
decimation: asciilifeform: what is the ru copyright law? do they thumb their nose at the bern convention
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undata: seems to have everything
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984 << you are doing a good thing.
decimation: as in, no one recognizes the 'property rights' of the pissants?
undata: why did p2p seem to stall at bittorrent?
undata: I guess tribler's working on a tor fork
undata: decimation: what would be wrong with some anonymity in the mix?
undata: decimation: that's what's wrong with bittorrent.
mircea_popescu: undata listen, you're misdesigning here. the "privacy" angle is not to be solved at the tool level.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck would awk be if someone tried to rewrite it to include privacy ?
decimation: I'm not really sure how one could 'design privacy' while simultaneously expecting to correspond with whoever comes down the street
undata googles bitcoin seedbox
undata: mircea_popescu: still I can run tor *here*
decimation: asciilifeform: but the situation is even worse in the us, why do the 'thinking folk' seem to accept it as some kind of bedrock of civilization?
undata: mircea_popescu: an anonymous p2p network would permanently solve the copyright thing; those guys can always go after the seedbox hosts
decimation: it's a weird quirk of their particular abbatoir
undata: I've used i2p for various things
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
mircea_popescu: undata it wouldn't do anything. you're basically saying, "carbon credits will permanently solve the eco whining". no, it provably won't.
undata: right now there is a nonzero risk (in the US) that you get outed by your ISP and end up paying loads
undata: why would dropping that risk to negligible be doing nothing?
mircea_popescu: somewhere your thinking's broken but i don't readily spot where. wtf are you on about, "dropping that risk to nigligible" ?
mircea_popescu: how did it become the case in us of fuckyou that you can be fined for using the internet ?
undata: the laws aren't against the app
undata: they're against pulling down copyrighted material
undata: I fail to see the problem with helping that death along.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not my perspective, though we don't disagree. in my view of the matter, they will be done in by the fact that the intersection of thinking people and copyright observers will become the null set.
mircea_popescu: undata well there's no problem with helping it along, but your proposed measures have the opposite effect ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that being the only reason it still survives as a going concern.
undata: mircea_popescu: by causing a "no p2p app x" law?
mircea_popescu: undata no. by acting as if the usg actually has some sort of power or importance.
undata: any more than they can ban tor
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many of these "it'll never happen"s i heard ?
undata: the us govt *made* tor
mircea_popescu: here's a good one : it'll never happen that they'll send people to prison for fixing software.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm sure there are bureaucrats that would love to do exactly that
undata: this assumes they can do anything
mircea_popescu: see the famous case of that neonazi kid whatever his name is
undata: they haven't gotten anything done in 20 years
mircea_popescu: undata they've not gotten anything intelligent done in 20 years. plenty of idiocy got done tho.
undata: I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones
undata: if only to kill the revenue of game of thrones-ing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : you know what "solid earner" died the exact death you describe ? buffett's "discount stamps"
mircea_popescu: exactly that way : its customers ended up on food stamps :D
mircea_popescu: undata anyway, you're equivocating two things here. on one hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the proposition that someone should make money off the writings of dead authors ; on the other hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the theory that you should be able to play any computer game you wish without having to pay the company that made it anything.
mircea_popescu: this equivocation would be the other, smaller reason copyrights still survive.
undata: mircea_popescu: nothing stops anyone from mirroring your blog for free
undata: yet you're getting paid
undata: he could pay once, then host it himself
undata: my point is there's always a way, and that fact doesn't necessarily stop good content
mircea_popescu: but your point doesn't work, seeing how... there isn't a way.
undata: there are shit-fountains in the us I'd love to help wreck.
undata: well, something which does more damage to the fountain the more people want the shit seems fun
undata: maybe it's not the above, but something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's never happened, cuz why would somebody.
assbot: Copyright Notice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 15:52:13; mircea_popescu: make thing infringing on mp's trademark. have mp notice you in google. mp files complaint with fb, yest. page suspended, today.
undata: I am certain that page is not why people are paying you for your content.
undata: that said, I have no plans to mirror trilema
mircea_popescu: but your arguments don't work like you want them to nevertheless.
decimation: If there's a bridge that you voted against and the gov't built anyway, would you use it?
kakobrekla: this is a rehash of dignity of downed pilots
undata: decimation: I do not vote.
decimation: I would use the bridge, for simple pragmatic reasons
decimation: copyright enforcement is the unwanted bridge
mircea_popescu: and suppose i have a toilet in my house that instead of the usual seat has a penis shaped stick to sit on ?
decimation: that would make it difficult to take a shit
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
☟︎ undata: in my case, I will never file a software patent.
undata: that bridge can fuck itself
decimation: he's going to use the power of the state to compel you
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undata: owning information is not the only option here
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undata: and needing to ignores that many will just pay people they want to support
undata: <well worn argument that bands will still make money if there are mp3s>
kakobrekla: penis shaped stick toilet - and i thought i was fucked.
mircea_popescu: actually, better q, do they even have spas where you live.
decimation: I've been told that many 'massage parlors' in maryland are in fact brothels
undata: better stated, the only owned information is a secret
decimation haven't availed myself of their services
mircea_popescu: listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom
mircea_popescu: it's the duty of any gentleman to fuck a whore at least yearly.
decimation: once in my youth I intercepted a business deal between a hooker and a john using a scanner in the portable-phone frequency range
mircea_popescu: "and this, my dear girls, is how you make a cnc mill out of menstrual blood"
mircea_popescu: decimation seriously, it's unsanitary, this. take the world back, man!
decimation: I suspected that she resided in the neighboring trailer park
decimation: I'm sure there are high-class hookers somewhere in wash dc, but I suspect they also charge $$$
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the etymology of that term ?
decimation: when one signs up for a 30 year mortgage it's pretty easy to imagine death coming first
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, usa is one of the few places where the girls do pro bono work.
mircea_popescu: bezzle influence. they will charge a derpy usg bureaucrat 2k for an hour, and then take three dudes at some party
undata: asciilifeform: man don't put that on your dick...
mircea_popescu: whores in poorer countries are much more careful to charge all entrants.
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decimation: re:mortgages << walking around london I was surprised to learn that this is less common, much of london is owned by the crown directly
decimation: so instead property is leased 1000 year terms
decimation: right, I think it would be more honest for us 'fee simple' to convert to 'crown leases'
decimation: at least then you would be signing a contract rather than just paying thieves
mircea_popescu: decimation unless you both have equal armies, neither of you is signing any contracts.
decimation: ghengis kahn wouldn't bother with a contract either
mircea_popescu: in romanian, gang means, "underpass". and for a while i thought that's what it meant, rape occuring in such a place
mircea_popescu: only after a while it occurred to me that wait a second, not like these people could know that ?! wtf ?!
mircea_popescu: then i discovered that no, the overpass is not material.
decimation: romanian must have borrowed it, or vice versa
mircea_popescu: speaking of romanians raping words (which is what they do) : patent in romanian means a type of pliers.
decimation: gang (n.) from Old English gang "a going, journey, way, passage," and Old Norse gangr "a group of men, a set," both from Proto-Germanic *gangaz (cognates: Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Danish, Dutch, Old High German, German gang, Old Norse gangr, Gothic gagg "act of going"), from PIE root *ghengh- "to step" (cognates: Sanskrit jangha "shank," Avestan zanga- "ankle," Lithuanian zengiu "I stride"). Thus not considered to be related to go.
decimation: linguistics is really interesting stuff
decimation: it boggles my mind that german is related to sanskrit
decimation: I guess it's my built-in 'present bias'
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decimation: lol luxury meant 'sexual intercourse' in the 1300's
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ben_vulpes: interested to know where i went off the rails with that one
ben_vulpes: Беркем аль Атоми << i don't even know how to find out more about this short of...learning to read russian.
ben_vulpes: <undata> I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones << web browser torrent plugins exist
ben_vulpes: expend the set of people doing the thing and the copyfascists won't be able to keep up
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> who hasn't seen a sign, marked, 'notausgang' - emergency exit << read as "not a us gang"
ben_vulpes: blinked, remembered childhood german lessons
ben_vulpes: today i discovered that calibre ships with heuristic processing disabled
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assbot: Old texts on traditional marriage ; vampirism and gayety. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ben_vulpes: oh god a giant trilema linking to other giant trilemas
ben_vulpes: your parents worked less than you and enjoyed their life more << i was just having this conversation with my father
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the one thing that jumps at me is that you only got half the 32mb issue.
ben_vulpes: "when i was your age, i got to work at 8, got off at 5, drank a beer, got on the train, went home and was at home. you poor fool answer emails lo unto 10pm"
mircea_popescu: the fact is that it sometimes DOES create 100mn+ responses.
mircea_popescu: and nobody even fucking knows exactly when and wherefore all the damned time.
mircea_popescu: the actual formalisation is, "the largest schlong I can take is ten inches, except 8 and 9 inches hurt and i sometimes take two feet"
ben_vulpes: well this'd be the difference between a spec and an implementation, non?
mircea_popescu: it could also be the difference between coding and idiocy
ben_vulpes: so sometimes the cock is 32mb long, but does the reference implementation accept those messages?
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gribble: Nick 'Mikayla', with hostmask 'Mikayla!~W@105.184.61.177', is not identified.
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fluffypony: looks like it's been moderately approved
mircea_popescu: ow shit, i skimmed and misrepresented the author's bias.
mircea_popescu: he's with the trp troop, not with the perpetually frienzdoned sjw troop, is he.
mircea_popescu: "Examining difference in fertility, it is clear that fertility is primarily controlled by female status relative to their husbands. The more women are subordinated, the higher the fertility. "
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu? skimming? will wonders never cease.
mircea_popescu: "examining unrelated events, it is clear that correlation causes causation!"
ben_vulpes: although hey popehat that's a grand resource
mircea_popescu: that i somehow sitll understand anything is nothing short of miraculous.
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mircea_popescu: "Women want to have sex with the highest status men available (as women perceive male status, which is similar to the way a small evil child raised by cannibal head hunters perceives status) and be supported by men."
mircea_popescu: "Both sides of the war are better off if a cooperate/cooperate equilibrium is coercively imposed." oooo....rly ?!
mircea_popescu: " If men own women, except that they may not resell them, cruelly mistreat them, rent them out, abandon them, nor even allow them to rent themselves out, then both men and women know who their children are and live with their children. The converse system, women owning men, would not work, because men would not know who their children were, would be denied the opportunity to invest in their children, and would theref
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Cult of Gnon
mircea_popescu: "“Nature or Nature’s God” is an expression of special excellence, extracted (with subtle modification) from America’s Declaration of Independence."
bounce: re NO_SIGPIPE, the POSIX way appears to be fcntl(O_NONBLOCK)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9539 @ 0.00075968 = 7.2466 BTC [+]
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Vexual: one day i don't read the logs
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Vexual: I knew it was a little naughty, I wasn't expecting that
Vexual: good day gents, how goes it?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell dmzpkts tell me about ninjashogun's bet failure someday
Vexual: ;;rate kakobreka 1 straightshooter
gribble: Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.
Vexual: do I need a rating to rate?
Vexual: this is quite more like real life than i realised
Vexual: ;;rate muxne 1 king of common misconceptions
gribble: Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.
Vexual: ;;rate 1 ben_vuples does web better than you and other stuff too
gribble: Error: 'ben_vuples' is not a valid integer.
Vexual: living up to your nick
Vexual: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
Vexual: you've lerned me some about wot
Vexual: if i've really losy my citizenship, i might just describe gravity on the way out
Vexual: it's alrgely unknown why two large bodies attract one another
Vexual: and the science is stuck in the mud, such forces require bigger comparisins
Vexual: smaller versions also being immesurable..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8618 @ 0.00075803 = 6.5327 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: JWT Intelligence Discuss Bitcoin In Latest Report | Qntra.net
Adlai: cazalla: so in the last bullet point there, the patrons are paying through promoting the establishment in social media?
Adlai: that's not payment, that's barter :P
cazalla: given the choice.. fkn millenials i swear
Adlai: reminds me of a story where a class (probably economics, or MBAs) had to figure out how to best monetize $100 (roughly) over the course of a weekend
Adlai: some groups opened up a car wash, some groups resold stuff from yard sales, etc
Adlai: the group that used their presentation chance the next week to advertise a local management consulting firm
Adlai: they realized that their audience in front of a few hundred students was much more valuable than their labor over a weekend
Adlai: current search engines are terrible for looking up this kind of story
Adlai remembers the general details but nothing precise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00076065 = 8.3672 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: who gave MOPE roofies
Adlai: bitcoin drops, mpex pops
Adlai: np, now get in wot
Vexual: i am, just not well absorbed
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
Vexual: that makes me wanna play a song, you know this
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Vexual: mu back foot just turned into a claw
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HeySteve: ;;rate Mikayla 1 Mikayla, so hot right now. Mikayla.
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assbot: Mark Karpeles Avoids Bitcoin, Launches Web Hosting Service
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Mark Karpeles Avoids Bitcoin, Launches Web Hosting Service
bounce: sheesh, that market report really provides zilch technology background. "biometrics for security" taken as valid on face value. of course, it's all about brand image, not technology. but if it's glaringly obvious that it doesn't work, it would be dishonest to tout it.
chetty: marketing always does that, toss out words with no real meaning
assbot: Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required
jurov: twas just extensio if existing practice on property, no?
assbot: Elon Musk: ‘With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon.’ - The Washington Post
jurov: anyone looked to the eurisko stuff leaked by stan?
assbot: Its Not Just About Security; Identity is the Great Enabler | NSTIC NOTES
bounce: next we'll learn that the collective twits twittering on twittar causes AI
kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish.
bounce: it causes extra ruckus in the media when invariably something does go awry and some sort of rule or other turns out to have been flaunted
bounce: which then causes extra rules and more bureaucrats "overseeing" the rules and whatnot. it's sort of scar tissue. about as useful, at least as much of a pain.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform> kakobrekla: i linked this here a day or so ago < ah, i guess i have achieved absolute redundancy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14530 @ 0.00075823 = 11.0171 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00075754 = 7.2724 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:39:40; asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg
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jurov: iirc he did not say "inevitably-harmless"
jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around"
jurov: and quite a harm can arise from that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00076134 = 3.1215 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i can't parse that
jurov: actually as long as they focus on the mining tech race, it's fine
jurov: but we're already there
jurov: and it's mostly ok
jurov: what i wanted to say, mining race isn't the most dangerous avenue of attack
jurov: and apple-like walled garden regulation of whole computing industry is quite a different thing
jurov: something like that may pass after well done scare of "child raping AI" but I don't see how it can be enforced in practice
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4903 @ 0.00076007 = 3.7266 BTC [-]
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle n/a ago
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01658 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 150 more bundles.
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 6 minutes and 54 seconds ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle
assbot: Deed BXZKQx2i | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: Bundle 149LB8VY | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: ben_vulpes: yeah will be fixed
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01647 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 149 more bundles.
punkman: so if someone wants to do some independent verification, hash "BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ" with sha256, convert to big int, make Bitcoin private key with big int, verify the key's address is 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64.
punkman: jurov: will make a standalone verifier for deeds
kakobrekla: >Apple-1 Sells for World Record $905,000 USD at Bonhams
jurov: certain folks use camels but that's prolly not what you meant :)
TheNewDeal: and the seekretly love the usian dollar
TheNewDeal: was going to say if theyre krugmanites, they have no wealth to speak of
TheNewDeal: bunch of economics majors that just graduates from the university
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00075956 = 11.4314 BTC [-] {3}
undata: nonzero chance that lady will be president someday
bounce: shitty website unless you have a shiny iTablet
undata: I was going to say wannabe FDR in a skirt, but I like 'clitler'
bounce: is she trying to get out of the top dog position?
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 06:13:12; mircea_popescu: money can be sustenance or control.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6844 @ 0.0007591 = 5.1953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00075803 = 3.114 BTC [-]
jurov: how do they calculate the fraction?
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:38:07; *: asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies'
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 00:21:46; asciilifeform: buried goodies tend to result from folks who got clobbered before they could dig them up.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 00:23:47; asciilifeform: there'll be tales of 'buried' btc one day.
kakobrekla: i suspekt even part of satoshis btc is buried
kakobrekla: you think his windows machine didnt crash? :)
TheNewDeal: Is this just an ongoing joke, or somewhat serious speculation?
undata: or the guy was just more into math than coding
kakobrekla: ill just pretend to pretend to be stupid, it will keep me safe.
undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded.
bounce: simulated retardation for your... what?
TheNewDeal: what about the speculation of it being more than one person? Is that not as accepted?
kakobrekla: is there a benefit to masking a team with a person?
kakobrekla: so instead of Bourbaki we have also Courbaki and Dourbaki...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00075838 = 5.7258 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: Silver Storm Washable Medical Grade Keyboard - Dishwasher Safe & Antimicrobial (Black) (USB) | STK503 by Seal Shield - More Styles and Brands than Anywhere Else at WetKeys Washable and Waterproof Keyboards.
undata: b-b-b-backport breaker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00075603 = 11.8697 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you weren't kidding about "glue and glass"
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 03:54:31; asciilifeform: mod6: when shitgnomes glue their crap on, they use paste with broken glass.
ben_vulpes: i've a question about mining, for anyone who knows.
ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct?
punkman: asciilifeform: tried dishwasher once, thing never worked again, but yeah I've heard it's usually ok
punkman: I'd also like a mouse with less edges and crevices that accumulate gunk
punkman: did the foundation charter get written?
ben_vulpes: punkman: a draft did, yeah. look for mod6's dpaste
assbot: drunk mouse syndrome from FOLDOC
mircea_popescu remebers bacl when regular mouse wasn't usable for optostuff
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: numpad forever. < i own both, use 'castrato'.
kakobrekla: anyway, personal preference. lets move on.
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 50 seconds ago
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkman: mircea_popescu: aya, try it
punkman: it hashes bundles in two stages, so you don't have to keep the full bundle around
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punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ;;rate mikayla 1 smart woman stuck in modest circumstances. help her get out.
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assbot: Deed kLuzx7GD | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: punkman hm. this is actually an improvement on my spec. who ever thought such possible!
mircea_popescu: so now, you just gotta keep the bundle set of hashes, and if someone wants to prove his stuff was there, well, bring something that hashes to the hash ?
assbot: Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: a dozen or so hashes to choose from don't really give any advantage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah original spec called for keeping all the deeds, as a sort of primitive distributed backup
punkman: anyone wants to keep a mirror, I'll make the thing push bundles to you
punkman: or maybe I just make an rss feed, possibly filtered by keyid
mircea_popescu: punkman if you want a dyi mirror, i can give you a cpanel ?
mircea_popescu: so mod6 ben_vulpes, do we have a charter to go in there ?
punkman: Ragnar will run a mirror on somethin.deedbot.com
mircea_popescu: did kakobrekla delegate deeds.bitcoin-assets.com jetzt ?
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punkman: can I still be secret agent
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kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> did kakobrekla delegate deeds.bitcoin-assets.com jetzt ? < it works, no?
mircea_popescu: punkman nah, your cover \was blown. maybe after the operation ?
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01647 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 149 more bundles.
assbot: Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
jurov: asciilifeform: how? generate a deed for every patch?
mircea_popescu: punkman how hard would it be to make it next comments ?
jurov: i'd prefer to get real email
jurov: and i don't see a value iin redoing the browsable archives that mailman generates
jurov: you want to set in stone only the patches themselves, no?
ben_vulpes: should anyone *want* to endeedify their patch, they're welcome to.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00075982 = 18.4256 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, if the jurovman only accepts inbound from lordsheep list...
jurov: i think the request was to prevent later posting of modified (and newly signed) patches by someone
jurov: autoendeedify can be done in v2 turdatron
jurov: btw if other people will sign a concrete patch, that prevents later diddling anyway
jurov: mpd6 the statutes say nothing of treasurer and his remuneration
jurov: if you unanimously decided there will be one, that is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00075658 = 4.7286 BTC [-]
mod6: yeah, i think it was decided that we'd put that in a seperate document.
jurov: and you forgot to add satoshi as a cochair</troll>
Duffer1: who volunteered to contribute to the piggy ? >> do i get nifty unique reddit flair for donating?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 maybe you just get lapdances from b-a slut co.
mod6: need to figure out if we should add in jurov or what's happening there. then we need a pub address.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform at which exact point this presumption should be applied?
kakobrekla: anyway, this signature thing does not make one trust another blindly
mircea_popescu: undata: and they will spend it how? << don't be silly. every place with intenret has a bitcoin trader by now.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what's ben_vulpes say ? << contract afterwards essentially, meanwhile waiting to hear back, just got back. trying to catch up
kakobrekla: maybe his executioner writes even better code, on linux.
mircea_popescu: maybe all his executioner really wanted is to impress us.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages << and suddenly, a feasible appears!
mircea_popescu: and the reason .38 is better bullet to head than 45 is same
mircea_popescu: as in, check out the mothers of current pros, and their mothers, and so on.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about lenin/random celeb. odds are they're overbought.
mircea_popescu does not deliberately check out males he doesn't know. busting into the life of a woman is one thing, but a dude...
jurov: It is altogether probable that its effects will conflict with all currently established human conventions. << +1 for flair
decimation: wait you wouldn't murder hitler pre-cog style?
assbot: [] Robert Sheckley / - (94 .) [1999 ., PDF/EPUB/FB2/HTM/HTML/DOC/RTF/TXT, ENG] :: RuTracker.org (ex torrents.ru)
mircea_popescu: determined guy wants to end christianity in the present, builds time machine
decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks
☟︎ mircea_popescu: until one day he falls in love with the hooker, leaves with her. that does it.,
jurov: my version would be - he encounters hooker on the other end, fucks her, gets snapped back immediately
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jurov: mircea_popescu: heraldry of whores
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00075658 = 8.5115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Monthly Uniques 747 US 1.4K Global | This site reaches over 1,169 monthly people, of which 619 (53%) are in the U.S. <<< numbers, right ? why would they need to match.
jurov: ^ noticed jews have it pretty much down, no loyal wives are named on old testament?
mod6: lol, the bull is chasing newton
TheNewDeal: Is that the reverse of Bill and Ted with Keanu Reeves?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: master of anything, will have some fucked up organ. << master pimp.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game << dude you were in a different ukraine or what ? i have yet to meet a uk chick that doesn't drink.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there's your mechanism, there. << gotta say the configurable with loopback approach is actually not bad
mircea_popescu: then people can be really secure built from the ground up by running a coupla vms on the same machine :D
mircea_popescu: hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk << wait, i thought you... HAD ONE
assbot: Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: Not found: '/raw_bundles/17/171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG.rbundle'
hanbot: mircea_popescu i meant of the motorized variety
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00075658 = 5.9392 BTC [-]
assbot: Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Bitcoin Address 171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG
ben_vulpes: where are the script kiddies draining the faucet...
kakobrekla: just wait for the google to parse logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch <<< detached sigs are in fact a reimplementation of the old punch cards
bounce: "here, have some pills"
mircea_popescu: clearsigned file, always 16kb long, after which the signed matter begins
mircea_popescu: you know, thinking about this, i think i actyally want pgp reimplemented. usgavin's speshul maths about how things improve make me realise that having a pure rsa based code rather than the current encode a symmetric chypher method is perhaps feasible.
mircea_popescu: add to that a fixed-offset clearsigned thing, all of a sudden there's good reason to implement
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgA - Pastebin.com
bounce: why do you want pure rsa?
bounce: that's the technology equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this"
Apocalyptic: by the way are SHA1 gpg-signed messages considered read ? I read somewhere one might rather use sha256 or higher, don't know if there's any merit to that claim
bounce: sha1 is on the way out (don't use for new stuff) but not dead yet (can keep using what you have)
assbot: iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUPq+fAAoJELmCKKABq//Hw2sH/RHgCQ0d9urUfJXm4T2zjcog FHG4tSmH3WVLO9 - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: file is defined as, 256bytes + "##### The following is signed above :"+message.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not considered read, but weak digest. good idea to upgrade.
mircea_popescu: much simpler machines to work it if it knows a straight offset
Apocalyptic: just noticed that all deeds processed by deadbot are SHA1-hashed so far
Apocalyptic: which is what gpg produces by default I guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously, since fixed length, it can go back to the end of the file.
mircea_popescu: proggy gets 65kb file, cuts 16k off its end recursively, spits out 1kb of text signed by 4 people
mircea_popescu: and again, armored. nothing but letters and digits in there. not even +/ etc.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 14:00:51; mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I just found that line to fix the issue, but thank you
mircea_popescu: shit son. if only i knew about this, we could have made diff design changes on bitcoin core.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thgis is more an aesthetic consideratyion. ditching symmetric cyphers is the more substantial thing, and since a reimplementation happenes, might as well add aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: so that means those toolchains will have to change or die ?
mircea_popescu: i feel so bad forcing inconvenient change upon random people.
jurov: ha. does it do htps?
mircea_popescu: so no, it won't imperil them, it will just make the peril obvious
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
kakobrekla: jurov what will you deliver if bbet delists?
jurov: i can maintain virtual balances on coinbr just for him
jurov: ha. poor qntra writer deeds will contain clause like "receiver is responsible for identifying any circumstances that may render this agreement void and act accordingly"
jurov: "such as, mpex delisting, impending death, etc."
assbot: cryptanalysis - Definition of Textbook RSA - Cryptography Stack Exchange
mircea_popescu: also doing away with the 65537 static and instead using any 64bit integer with exactly 32 on bits would be better.
punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 40 minutes and 5 seconds ago
mircea_popescu: i wasn't talking about the cardano! i was talking about the new pgp
jurov: mircea_popescu: other people's signatures will be detached from definition... or do you want to include the patch everywhere?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, know of any rng process to compute fixed count onbits random numbers ?
jurov: author sends email with attached patch and signature as similarly-named attachments
jurov: B and C send only named signatures as attachemnt
mircea_popescu: jurov oh yeah, i wasn't commenting on your implementation, i was just bitching at the stars.
jurov: i they approve the patch
mircea_popescu: yeah google, always put wikipedia the fucking first line, because i'm sure that's what the "algorithm" says.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 65537 is not a mersenne prime either. what did i step into ?
mircea_popescu: you telling me the rsa e must be a fermat prime ? why ?
mircea_popescu: afaik it's only used because easy to compute, two 1's merged into a word
mircea_popescu: eh fuck it, usgavin promised us 100% increases each year for the next 200 years
mircea_popescu: the idea is just for (q-1)(p-1) and e to be relatively prime
mircea_popescu: (and for that matter, it IS quite fucking possible for the current, fixed e implementation to spit out badly coded stuff every once in a blue moon, when the p q happen to be a multiple of 65537)
mircea_popescu: "pick 32 onbit 64bit random numbers, test for cd" is a much better approach
mircea_popescu: stop trying to confuse me just because i have nfi of anything!
jurov: rsa is only possible because we have probabilistic primality tests for bignums up to arbitrary certainty
mircea_popescu: anyway. p and q are primes. p-1 and p-1 being necessarily even, will probably have some factors. these factors could just as well be 65537
assbot: Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: btw some bundles can't be turned into bitcoin keys, found out by accident
punkman: hash must be smaller than 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141
jurov: just cut one bit from the hash
punkman: it's not a problem, just wait for next deed, hash changes
jurov: how did you generate such a collision?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: re sig stack is the implication that a signs patch, b signs patch and a.sig, c patch and b.sig...
mircea_popescu: if you're not willing to sign the present signs you;'d better fork.
ben_vulpes: forgive my derpitude but why not simply sign the patch and collect sigs?
punkman: jurov, I manually entered 0xfff...f at some point, although address generation library would have caught it
jurov: can't they jsut sign independently?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have no idea, it could be done that way too
ben_vulpes: no stack to manage in that case; i'd prefer it if there are no obvious reasons to not.
assbot: Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
jurov: like, turdatron would reject the email "nope you're not on longest chain"? lmao
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
mod6: this punkbot is neat
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? << the idea is to stop these persnickety machienes from validating the blockchain at all.
ben_vulpes: 32MB is not the steady-state line, it's just the largest sanctioned p2p msg
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. <<< yay wd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering [blabla] you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. << stom motherfucking corrupting the youth!
ben_vulpes: jurov's turdvendor's the canonical repository
ben_vulpes: and a record of patches signed by individuals
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu this is the thing you asked for in the first place: "sigs on lines"
mircea_popescu: X submitted this, Y merged it, K L M N K and Q read and approve.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the current X Y only so-called open source thing going on atm.
mircea_popescu: the difference is huge, because when a bug like the numerous bugs in openssl/bash/etc pops up in the open
mircea_popescu: was it an honest mistake ? was it a nsa sponsored shitjob ? etc.
kakobrekla: which you cant really tell if it was a good jo
mircea_popescu: in short : it makes the cost of nsa covert ops in foss go from O(log(t)) all the way up to P,N
kakobrekla: no point in establishing "<mircea_popescu> was it an honest mistake"
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only thing. "we print money, and you can pretend you just fell on her while your pants were off"
kakobrekla: still not sure why anyone wants to sign anything heheh
mircea_popescu: i would like the difference between "dropped plate on my toe" and "fell on naked woman holding her heels while naked" to be obvious to the naked eye
ben_vulpes: so merges should only happen when k l m n o have already signed patch
mircea_popescu: and i want the record of accidental "dropped on my toe" events recorder permanently.
mircea_popescu: between these two, the budged for recruiting pencildicks goes from constant to hilbert's hotel.
mircea_popescu: the entire "foss is better because read by millions of eyes" fetish needs to be put to rest already. opportunity does not equal actualisation.
mircea_popescu: my model will allow a specific list to be created. this was read in fact by 5468 people. these ones :
mircea_popescu: moreover, by putting the sexy back into reading code, it actually directly addresses the problem. currently people only read shit AFTER a bug was found.
mircea_popescu: and the people trying to hire you to review their code would crowd the shit out of the only buyer currently,
ben_vulpes: so i begin to wonder if i'm at all a good person to handle merges, given my lack of experience with cpp
ben_vulpes: i've been staring at it and it's not unintelligble -- horrible, but not unintelligible -- but given things like obfuscated c competition i don't think i'm actually a good technical choice for the role
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: who else is going to handle making sure turd consistency stays constant?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but how theoretically would i know what to merge?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes technical choice ? these are all political choices.
ben_vulpes: choice for the technical role perhaps would be a better phrasing
ben_vulpes: is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer?
mircea_popescu: no, the political goal is to allow people who are interested in doing things the right way at the levers where things are done the right way.
mircea_popescu: this may require particular grips, depending on how the lever happen to be constructed. the hands will adjust.
thestringpuller: it seems asciilifeform is the only one qualified to be a release manager
ben_vulpes: q: what is the output of a "merge" in this scenario?
ben_vulpes: fresh set of signed blobs in *.org/releases?
ben_vulpes: these crickets suggest that the chairs must make this decision.
ben_vulpes: aight well fiat corp requires oiling before shuddering into motion in the morn. i'll continue this with anyone interested at a later point.
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